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Why the rants? It is not helping anyone .. but okay :P 12:25:38 <TrueBrain> in better news, less than 400 pages to check \o/ 12:26:28 <TrueBrain> biggest issue: getting <pre> right .. wikitext is horrible in getting that right 12:33:18 *** heffer__ has quit IRC 12:44:07 *** heffer has joined #openttd 12:51:21 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 12:51:34 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 13:00:40 <TrueBrain> 350 ... this is slow :P 13:03:53 <FLHerne> TrueBrain: I think this answer is strongly against SO's current guidelines, but grandfathered because it's funny 13:04:14 <FLHerne> "Moderator's note: This post is locked to prevent inappropriate edits to its content. The post looks exactly as it is supposed to look - there are no problems with its content. Please do not flag it for our attention." 13:05:53 <TrueBrain> there are problem with its content, that is my issue :P But good to hear it is against their current guidelines .. this was 10 years ago after all :P 13:13:23 <andythenorth> the first answer has some clever use of fonts 13:23:23 <planetmaker> it's a hilarious and very illustrative answer :) 13:25:40 <TrueBrain> just not to the question asked :D 13:27:40 *** supermop_Home_ has joined #openttd 13:34:56 <TrueBrain> @base 10 16 34 13:34:56 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 22 13:50:36 <TrueBrain> I love that moment you render shit better than mediawiki \o/ Just makes me a tiny bit happy :) 13:51:03 <TrueBrain> for the rest of the time I am dying over here, as fixing people's shit is BORING AS FUCK 13:51:05 <TrueBrain> but what-ever :P 13:51:35 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 13:51:40 <TrueBrain> https://wiki.openttd.org/Special:RecentChanges <- this isn't boring, this isn't boring, this isn't boring, this isn't boring, this isn't boring, this isn't boring, this isn't boring, this isn't boring, this isn't boring, this isn't boring 14:00:16 <TrueBrain> https://wiki.openttd.org/?title=XUSSR_Set%2FRu&diff=101224&oldid=90603 <- like fuck that .. who does that .. NO! Just NO 14:01:20 <longtomjr_> lol, that is so good. 14:02:21 <planetmaker> what's wrong with that page? :D 14:02:28 <TrueBrain> nothing ANYMORE 14:02:29 <LordAro> haha 14:02:47 <longtomjr_> TrueBrain made it the wrong color somehow. 14:03:19 <planetmaker> I don't think so.. it changed colour over the course of times... for whatever reason :D 14:03:29 <andythenorth> someone send TB a cookie 14:03:40 <TrueBrain> https://wiki.openttd.org/?title=XUSSR_Set/Ru&oldid=90603 <- just look at it ... you have to be colourblind to "enjoy" that :P 14:04:06 <TrueBrain> the worst sin, and why I found this page, was not closing the div btw :P 14:04:07 <planetmaker> yes, I clicked through... disgusting. At an earlier time it was all blueish background :) 14:04:09 <longtomjr_> ah yep, that is probably the problem here :P 14:04:51 <planetmaker> https://wiki.openttd.org/?title=XUSSR_Set/Ru&direction=next&oldid=90034 14:05:53 <longtomjr_> Maybe it would be better if the template supported a different background color as well 14:06:14 <TrueBrain> ... how about NOT changing the background to start with? 14:06:42 <planetmaker> boring :P You are only supposed to read that page when you *really* want to read it 14:06:43 <andythenorth> BUT 14:06:53 <andythenorth> I NEED TO CHANGE THE BACKGROUND 14:06:58 <andythenorth> YOU ARE HITLER 14:07:00 <LordAro> TrueBrain hates freedom of expression 14:07:01 <andythenorth> etc 14:07:14 <longtomjr_> Sorry sorry, I were just joking around. Yep changing the bg color is really not condusive to easy readability 14:07:17 <TrueBrain> LordAro: YES! Fuck people talking :P 14:07:31 <planetmaker> you can choose any background colour you like. 14:07:34 <planetmaker> Provide it's white 14:07:34 <TrueBrain> longtomjr_: pretty sure all of us were trolling 14:08:00 <planetmaker> ^^ 14:08:03 <TrueBrain> or andythenorth does think I am Hitler; in that case, I have disappointing news :P 14:08:26 <longtomjr_> Hehe i gathered, better safe than sorry though, don't want you to go mad doing the wiki cleanup 14:08:35 <planetmaker> hm... no. Your name hints more that you're part of the illuminati or so 14:08:36 <longtomjr_> or that might be too late 14:08:43 <planetmaker> world domination is near... I fear 14:09:23 <TrueBrain> "What are we going to do today Brain?" 14:09:35 <andythenorth> we should do a QAnon decode of TB's name 14:09:38 <TrueBrain> I have ~60 more of these wiki pages to check and call names .... I CAN DO THIS! 14:10:54 <longtomjr_> btw, where are you migrating to after the cleanup? 14:11:11 <TrueBrain> truewiki is the plan 14:11:32 <longtomjr_> oke 14:12:38 <longtomjr_> that is increadably hard to find on duck duck go 14:12:47 <TrueBrain> mainly as it doesn't exist (yet) 14:12:57 <longtomjr_> Aaah 14:23:01 <planetmaker> what is that actually? 14:24:42 <andythenorth> clue is in the name :) 14:25:02 <LordAro> OTTD is pivoting to being a wiki 14:25:17 <planetmaker> I thought so... I wonder whether it's a good idea to use a custom software...when the whole point is to reduce maintenance :) 14:26:20 <andythenorth> this way we find out :) 14:26:22 <andythenorth> and it's more fun 14:26:43 <LordAro> off the shelf apparently didn't pan out :p 14:26:48 <planetmaker> where about is it being hosted? 14:29:10 <TrueBrain> I think after letting frosch struggle for a few weeks, it was time to rescue him from the disasters called "wiki software" :P 14:29:48 <planetmaker> is mediawiki really a disaster? Seems tremendously successful for being a disaster 14:30:18 <andythenorth> TrueBrain I didn't look what you've done, is it a python frontend to render html from a ruby backend that has imported the old wiki? 14:30:21 <TrueBrain> those two things sadly enough don't exclude each other planetmaker ;) 14:30:26 <andythenorth> or is it a totally python thing? 14:30:35 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: NOBODY wants to touch Ruby, so no :) 14:30:41 <planetmaker> they don't ... but it's not like it did a bad job the last 10 years for us 14:30:48 <TrueBrain> that was the whole point .. we failed ot fix the issues in the Ruby shit :P 14:31:00 * LordAro looks at openttd.org 14:31:01 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: except for the fact we run version 1.19 ;) 14:31:12 <TrueBrain> pretty sure we are talking about two completely different things :D 14:31:25 <TrueBrain> mediawiki is a disaster to maintain, to operate, to have resources allocated for and to, etc :) 14:31:40 <TrueBrain> gollum, as example, turns out to only support a very small subset of wikitext 14:31:43 <TrueBrain> too small for our usage 14:31:52 <planetmaker> yes, we run an ancient version. But upgrading cannot be worse than migrating to something custom... where we have the same issues AND the support at hand 14:31:54 <TrueBrain> and I have a few more of these wiki software on my list with a small rant :P 14:32:13 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: please, feel free to upgrade :) I have been asking for 4+ years for someone to do so ... ;) 14:32:31 <planetmaker> basically I found that all wiki software sucks, to one degree or another. Yet while mediawiki is a ressource hog, it could be made to satisfy most needs 14:32:44 <planetmaker> I neither have access nor the knowledge :P 14:32:57 <TrueBrain> problem with these line of questioning, it forces me to be defensive .. I don't like these conversations that much :) I rather explain things because there is a mutual respect that we did our best to, for example, avoid building our own :) 14:33:54 <LordAro> planetmaker: aiui, it's very expensive (comparatively) to run on AWS, which is where Everything Must Go Now due to actually having a database 14:34:02 <LordAro> rather than storing everything in git 14:34:21 <TrueBrain> well, nobody wants to host the mediawiki, or create the know-how to host it 14:34:25 <TrueBrain> so we hit a bit of a brick wall there 14:34:46 <TrueBrain> and in the end .. I am going to pull the plug from the current version, as it is a huge security hole 14:34:59 <TrueBrain> it is why frosch has been so busy with finding alternatives btw 14:37:34 <longtomjr_> what does liquipedia use 14:38:10 <andythenorth> I wanted to move it all to fandom, but that idea did not find favour :( 14:38:18 <andythenorth> even though it's the weapon of choice for game wikis 14:38:35 <TrueBrain> if it was not for the ads, fandom is nice 14:38:39 <TrueBrain> the ads .. ugh :P 14:38:50 <longtomjr_> Gamepedia is another option, for not having to host it 14:38:53 <planetmaker> flooded by ads, sadly, yes 14:39:21 <TrueBrain> okay, I just spend 15 minutes on figuring out why "0.6.3" is not a valid float 14:39:22 <TrueBrain> ... 14:40:02 <longtomjr_> liquipedia is also mediawiki 14:41:32 <andythenorth> well when we have finished this route, we can find out why it was wrong 14:41:43 <andythenorth> but first, progress! 14:42:02 *** longtomjr_ has left #openttd 14:42:15 *** longtomjr_ has joined #openttd 14:44:15 <TrueBrain> <span style="width:expressionerror:illegalcharacter:{%;height:2px;background:#7fff00;float:left"> 14:44:15 <TrueBrain> :D 14:44:33 <longtomjr_> what am I looking at 14:44:39 <LordAro> a mess 14:46:48 <TrueBrain> people being retards, basically 14:47:06 <longtomjr_> do you know what that is trying to achieve? 14:48:02 <TrueBrain> it is an {{#expr}} that fails executing 14:48:06 <TrueBrain> but it is hidden inside a style 14:48:06 <longtomjr_> or is it better to not dwell on it 14:48:10 <TrueBrain> zo nobody ever notices 14:48:25 <TrueBrain> one of the downsides of mediawiki, it doesn't really show errors clearly that happened during rendeirng 14:48:33 <TrueBrain> so people simply think it works 14:48:51 <TrueBrain> I am running a slightly more pedantic linter over the code now 14:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> so it tried to calculate the width with an expression? 14:49:17 <Eddi|zuHause> and the illegal character was '{' 14:49:28 <TrueBrain> the expression was "{{{2|0}}}" in this case .. just it wasn't in a template 14:49:36 <TrueBrain> so the {{{ }}} is not resolved :) 14:49:47 <TrueBrain> this person copied all the templates in the page 14:50:07 <TrueBrain> it are these kind of things, that makes me giggle :) 14:53:14 * LordAro tries to imagine TrueBrain giggling 14:54:39 <TrueBrain> do you, really? :P 14:54:51 <TrueBrain> I am now fixing pages like https://wiki.openttd.org/%E6%95%99%E7%A8%8B/%E8%B0%83%E5%BA%A6%E4%BB%BB%E5%8A%A1/Zh 14:54:57 <TrueBrain> I mean .. just that URL alone cracks me up :) 14:55:30 <longtomjr_> my browser renders it in the url field, that is cool 14:56:04 *** Deep3D has joined #openttd 14:56:26 *** Flygon has quit IRC 14:59:32 <TrueBrain> okay .. Main namespace done ... pfft 14:59:57 <TrueBrain> I think I fixed most stuff .. still a bunch of warnings left 15:00:18 <TrueBrain> where people do weird stuff with images .. like "none|center" ... what is it .. none? center? Pick one! 15:04:22 *** virtualrandomnumber has joined #openttd 15:17:43 *** virtualrandomnumber has quit IRC 15:26:18 <TrueBrain> fixing 1 bug, rendering 100 pages correctly .. I like those moments :) 15:29:32 <TrueBrain> either '50%' or 'autottd screenshot' is not a valid image option 15:29:37 <TrueBrain> so many of these warnings :) 15:29:49 <TrueBrain> but I guess % is the width, so it is bogus warning :P 15:39:59 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:59:39 *** tokai has joined #openttd 15:59:39 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 16:06:43 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 16:26:11 *** glx has joined #openttd 16:26:11 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 16:47:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 17:03:54 *** Smedles has quit IRC 17:06:10 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:13:37 <Wolf01> andythenorth: did you consider transforming trains? 17:14:16 <Wolf01> https://www.brothers-brick.com/2020/10/21/weve-trained-for-this/ like this one 17:19:34 <rptr_> when will they be added? 17:19:52 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:29:14 <TrueBrain> @calc 50 / (5467 + 185) 17:29:14 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.00884642604388 17:29:18 <TrueBrain> <1% \o/ 17:29:46 <andythenorth> rar 17:30:59 *** rptr_ has quit IRC 17:33:34 <Deep3D> @calc 1+2 17:33:34 <DorpsGek> Deep3D: 3 17:34:38 <andythenorth> I should finish some grf stuff 17:36:05 <TrueBrain> seems I will reach 100% before you at this rate :P 17:36:32 <TrueBrain> main issue is <pre> .. I need another approach for that ... 17:37:25 <TrueBrain> 36 pages left ... w00p 17:43:09 <TrueBrain> and ... I found a bug in the wikitextparser . bah :P Was hoping I was done with those :D 17:46:39 *** rptr_ has joined #openttd 18:02:06 <TrueBrain> "; item http://withlink" is seen as "; item http" and "://withlink" :D 18:02:08 <TrueBrain> it is cute :) 18:04:25 <Wolf01> I still miss what are you doing 18:07:17 <TrueBrain> parsing wikitext 18:07:21 <TrueBrain> believe me, RUN 18:11:43 <frosch123> https://wiki.openttd.org/Blender <- and i thought the pages explaning how to use a wiki were stupid... 18:12:15 <longtomjr_> why 18:12:57 <frosch123> is that a question to me? or to the page author? 18:13:12 <longtomjr_> to the page author, sorry 18:13:23 <longtomjr_> that was in 2006 18:13:46 <FLHerne> Useful for 32bppEZ development? 18:14:04 <longtomjr_> 2006 though 18:14:19 <longtomjr_> did 32bppEZ feature then already 18:14:29 <FLHerne> It's probably not worth trying to maintain a Blender manual on the wiki though :p 18:14:40 <frosch123> FLHerne: 1. link them to the offical blender docs. don't write your own. 2. don't recruit novices to "help". 18:14:41 <FLHerne> Not in trunk then, but yes IIRC 18:16:10 <longtomjr_> looks like a building in that one image, might have been working on houses 18:16:24 <FLHerne> I see Yexo added a request-deletion tag in 2008 18:16:52 <FLHerne> (which got removed by the next editor two years later...) 18:17:07 <longtomjr_> Author is/was a new gfx artist according to their user page 18:19:37 <longtomjr_> can imagine he got a lot of people asking how to do something, so he wrote a wiki page for it 18:19:42 <longtomjr_> or some other reason 18:23:16 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 18:28:28 <TrueBrain> @calc 31 / (5476 + 195) 18:28:28 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.00546640804091 18:30:58 <TrueBrain> those 31 pages all have <pre> issues 18:31:09 <TrueBrain> the rest I can parse, and produce near-similar HTML output compared to mediawiki :D 18:35:38 <frosch123> "A few people had a bit too much to drink, and there speech was starting to get slurred, so not all that much made sense. Currently the only stuff that needs to be finalised is company colours and pallette animations." 18:36:03 <TrueBrain> and, did those people ever do so? :D 18:36:34 <frosch123> no idea, i do not know them 18:37:08 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 18:37:47 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 18:38:24 <TrueBrain> hmm .. my regex abilities are low, I notice :D 18:39:33 <rptr_> that blender screenshot looks ancient 18:40:02 <longtomjr_> goodness, people working on EZ graphics in 2006, just realised we still had dial-up internet with the bank back then. 18:41:23 <longtomjr_> That cost a fortune as well 18:41:47 <TrueBrain> 32bpp still costs a fortune, even in 2020 :) 18:41:52 <TrueBrain> you don't want to know our AWS bill :P 18:42:11 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:42:29 <longtomjr_> What is the heavy costs on the aws bill? GRF downloads? 18:42:40 <longtomjr_> (and uploads) 18:42:47 <frosch123> people downloading both abase and zbase, and then using neither 18:42:54 <longtomjr_> or bananas content rather 18:43:16 <TrueBrain> what frosch123 says :) 18:43:23 <TrueBrain> we do ~6TB a month 18:43:25 <longtomjr_> lets see if I am part of the problem. 18:43:56 <TrueBrain> okay, I have this regular expression "re.sub": re.sub(r'((^ [^\n]*\n)+)', r'<pre></pre>', contents, flags=re.MULTILINE) 18:43:57 <TrueBrain> hmm 18:43:59 <longtomjr_> I know of folks running a server that downloads the whole bananas every month or so,because they are lazy of figuring out the bananas content when they want to host an scn. 18:44:19 <TrueBrain> my client ate the replacement 1, I see 18:44:26 <TrueBrain> but iagine that in there .. 18:44:34 <TrueBrain> can I also make it eat the first space of every line somehow .. 18:44:52 <TrueBrain> longtomjr_: yeah ... but those people aren't really the problem, I noticed :) 18:45:16 <longtomjr_> what are you trying to match TrueBrain? 18:46:46 <TrueBrain> if I pick September .. we have 1TB of data to zBase, 500GB to abase; the next one is 25GB 18:46:55 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i don't think you can. back references always refer to a consecutive string 18:47:00 <TrueBrain> zBase and abase combined are downloaded 5k times :P 18:47:06 <longtomjr_> goodness. 18:47:08 <frosch123> so you cannot reference to N lines and skip some chars 18:47:10 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I was afraid of that :P 18:47:43 <TrueBrain> well, I guess I just have to match() it, and run it in reverse 18:48:15 <TrueBrain> annoying that the space has to be replaced .. a single regex is so much faster :P 18:50:02 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD, the game client, itself is btw 100GB in that same timeframe, for win64 only 18:50:14 <TrueBrain> yeah .. zBase and abase rule the world :P 18:50:19 <frosch123> TrueBrain: you can do it with two subs. first put <pre></pre> on every line while deleting the space. then delete </pre>\n<pre> 18:50:36 <TrueBrain> that is clever, that is better than I was doing :) 18:50:50 <TrueBrain> I wanted to remove the space if between <pre> blocks :D 18:54:33 <longtomjr_> What is this, start each line with a space for preformatted text on mediawiki. I did not know this. Seems like an odd choice... 18:54:59 <TrueBrain> you want to hear more odd choices? We will be here a while :P 18:56:39 <TrueBrain> okay, now I need to exclude the line from starting with < 18:56:42 <TrueBrain> euhmmmmmmmm 18:57:28 <longtomjr_> Wikipedia on mediawiki: "Upgrading MediaWiki is usually fully automated, requiring no changes to the site content or template programming. Historically troubles have been encountered when upgrading from significantly older versions." 18:57:54 <frosch123> that probably applies to every software :) 18:59:53 <TrueBrain> ah, there is "re" and "regex" 18:59:56 <TrueBrain> regex supports PCRE 19:00:00 <TrueBrain> which has greedy modifiers :D 19:00:07 <TrueBrain> r'^ ([ \t]*+[^<][^\n]*)$' 19:00:10 <TrueBrain> still with me? :P 19:00:19 <TrueBrain> if you have a problem you are trying to solve with regex, you have 2 problems 19:00:39 <TrueBrain> your trick seems to work frosch123 :) 19:01:27 <frosch123> you have to start with rune magic 19:02:35 <longtomjr_> *+ is giving me an error 19:03:46 <TrueBrain> PCRE :) 19:03:56 <TrueBrain> it is a greedy modifier :) 19:04:15 <TrueBrain> well, "without giving back", it means 19:04:35 <TrueBrain> the Python regex module supports it; re does not 19:04:37 <frosch123> maybe you want to add \n to [^<] 19:05:49 <TrueBrain> that is not sufficient to pick up empty lines with only a space 19:06:20 <TrueBrain> first, I have to solve another issue ... something else is eating my <pre>s :P 19:08:46 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 19:09:08 <TrueBrain> ugh ... " <none>" should be escaped 19:09:16 <TrueBrain> so it is not only <, it is < but only for known tags 19:09:17 <TrueBrain> .... 19:11:14 <TrueBrain> this is why initially I was walking the HTML tree 19:11:25 <TrueBrain> picking up this info 19:11:37 <TrueBrain> but .. that is slow and the Python "html" lib does odd things 19:12:41 <frosch123> you can use known html tags in <pre> and they will work? 19:12:57 <TrueBrain> within a <pre> block, HTML is ignored 19:13:16 <TrueBrain> but this is before there are <pre> blocks :) 19:14:00 <TrueBrain> so basically I need to check if it starts with a space, and NOT with a known tag .. 19:14:18 <TrueBrain> hmm .. so I guess I just split on newline, and do it the old-fashioned way 19:15:36 <longtomjr_> Anyways, I am off to bed. Good luck with summoning tony the pony 19:15:44 <TrueBrain> cheers 19:21:15 <frosch123> i like how there are scenarios "south america" and "south yorkshire" 19:23:59 *** longtomjr_ has quit IRC 19:24:45 <TrueBrain> owh, funny, <b> does work inside a pre-block 19:24:51 <TrueBrain> seriously .. this randomness ... 19:27:11 <TrueBrain> even ''' work in a pre-block .. 19:27:16 <TrueBrain> boy, they really messed this up, didn't they? 19:28:10 <frosch123> does <pre> or <tt> work inside an space-indent block? 19:28:19 <TrueBrain> try it out 19:28:53 <frosch123> nah, not that interesting. i am busy running sed 's#.*#"https://wiki.openttd.org/&"#' review.txt | xargs firefox 19:29:05 <TrueBrain> :D 19:29:49 <frosch123> it's funny how it takes to load a wiki page, if yuo load 50 in parallel :) 19:29:54 <frosch123> +long 19:30:29 <TrueBrain> if they are cached, it is quick .. 19:30:34 <TrueBrain> but it is the reason I have the full wiki cached 19:30:40 <TrueBrain> I can run all ~6k pages in ~90 seconds now 19:35:51 <frosch123> https://wiki.openttd.org/Airline_Route_Management_Case_Study_A <- what? 19:36:38 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 19:36:38 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 19:37:05 <frosch123> maybe someone did math homework with their kids 19:37:06 <andythenorth> frosch123 that's remarkable 19:37:16 <andythenorth> it concludes on an a tautology 19:37:21 <andythenorth> an a 19:38:02 <andythenorth> 'the most economical aircraft are those that can serve this route economically' 19:38:10 <andythenorth> well it's what, 15 years old? 19:38:16 <andythenorth> also doesn't account for ratings :P 19:39:41 <frosch123> you know... there are pages which you can just trash. but something you think you are stealing the giggles of future generations 19:40:04 <TrueBrain> :D 19:43:24 *** tokai has quit IRC 19:44:35 <TrueBrain> owh, if ANY valid tag is inside a line with starting with a space, it will not be put inside a pre-block 19:44:43 <TrueBrain> so " test <div> " 19:44:53 <TrueBrain> is also not put inside a pre-block 19:44:56 <TrueBrain> rigggghhhhhttttt 19:45:23 <TrueBrain> this feels like someone just had too much to drink when writing this :D 19:55:27 *** arikover has joined #openttd 19:59:19 *** Speeder_ has quit IRC 19:59:46 <TrueBrain> I am just reverse engineering this algorithm of theirs .. maybe I should just look in their PHP code ... 20:00:37 <TrueBrain> lol .. links in pre-blocks also work ... WHY ... 20:00:41 *** Speeder has joined #openttd 20:00:41 <TrueBrain> where does this stop? 20:01:02 <TrueBrain> images work too 20:01:02 <TrueBrain> lol 20:01:05 <TrueBrain> how is that "pre" 20:01:13 <TrueBrain> LordAro: what does this do in a modern wiki: 20:01:14 <TrueBrain> http://test 20:01:14 <TrueBrain> [[Image:no_image.png]] 20:01:19 <TrueBrain> ? (spaces before both lines) 20:03:00 <frosch123> does it convert the image to ascii art? 20:03:08 <TrueBrain> not even that :P 20:03:16 <frosch123> unfinished :) 20:03:48 <TrueBrain> I wonder if anyone would ever want this to work tbh 20:03:51 <TrueBrain> <b> etc, sure 20:03:52 <TrueBrain> but images? 20:03:54 <TrueBrain> and links? 20:03:56 <TrueBrain> feels a bug 20:04:26 <andythenorth> who was it liked the Wales & West Country scenario? 20:04:31 <andythenorth> LordAro? FLHerne ? 20:08:15 * LordAro 20:08:32 * andythenorth making a test, in a branch 20:08:42 <andythenorth> in 12 months, remind me I had a branch :P 20:08:52 <LordAro> lol 20:09:37 <andythenorth> it would really benefit from someone making a scenario :P 20:09:38 <andythenorth> if it works 20:09:45 <andythenorth> or some kind of map regions thing 20:12:45 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Both of us, I think 20:13:14 <andythenorth> hmm 20:13:19 <andythenorth> it's not what I remember 20:13:30 <andythenorth> the scenario I have is Wales, plus Bristol and Liverpool 20:13:37 <andythenorth> I thought it was cornwall etc and south wales 20:13:57 <andythenorth> Manchester is not West Country :P 20:15:05 <andythenorth> found it I think 20:15:57 <andythenorth> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=35130 ? 20:16:21 <andythenorth> obviously contains Chipping Sodbury :P 20:16:22 <andythenorth> natch 20:17:03 <andythenorth> oh Clifton has it's own town 20:17:07 <TrueBrain> okay, in newer mediawiki [[ ]] no longer works 20:17:09 <TrueBrain> so that is good 20:17:14 <TrueBrain> links still happen, but what-ever, I can live with that 20:19:32 <andythenorth> what does wiki say about West Country 90210 20:19:34 * andythenorth looks 20:19:48 <andythenorth> nada 20:20:56 <TrueBrain> hmm ...inside a <code> block, ''' is not resolved, it seems .. seriously, this is hilarious, the randomness of this all :) 20:21:35 <TrueBrain> hmm, it should resolve 20:22:29 <TrueBrain> ah... nowiki block .. 20:22:31 <TrueBrain> makes sense 20:25:52 <TrueBrain> ah .... bug in the parser :D DOH! 20:27:56 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 20:28:17 <TrueBrain> but okay, it seems <pre> is working .. ish :) 20:28:46 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:30:13 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 20:30:40 <TrueBrain> in the end, this doesn't have to render the exact same HTML .. I mostly wanted to make sure I got the structure of the HTML document correct 20:30:43 <TrueBrain> and I do now :D 20:30:45 <TrueBrain> so that is epic win ;) 20:31:05 <TrueBrain> (as in, if the parser was doing what it should be doing) 20:34:29 <LordAro> :) 20:39:38 <frosch123> i think a week ago, you told the parser guy that you were done and would not have to report more bugs :) 20:39:59 <TrueBrain> I did? Hmm .. can't remember honestly 20:40:06 <TrueBrain> did tell him today that everything parses :) 20:43:20 <TrueBrain> would you expect https://things in a <pre> block to be linkable or not? 20:43:42 <TrueBrain> example: https://wiki.openttd.org/Cross-compiling_for_Windows#Building_MXE 20:43:58 <andythenorth> wat? 20:43:59 <andythenorth> no 20:44:03 <andythenorth> not by default 20:44:15 <andythenorth> people want to do that shit, they can get their own wiki 20:44:24 <TrueBrain> haha :D 20:44:41 <andythenorth> every pre-block should include the 'copy to clipboard' icon and js 20:44:48 <andythenorth> what else are they for? not for clicking on 20:45:25 <frosch123> i think <pre> is mostly <tt>. it's just a fixed-size font. 20:45:32 <FLHerne> I quite like it, but not auto-linking it seems sane too 20:45:36 <TrueBrain> no, <tt> and <code> are more the same frosch123 20:45:39 <frosch123> the rest (except pictures) makes still sense 20:45:40 <TrueBrain> well, <tt> no longer exists, but hwat-ever 20:45:49 <TrueBrain> <pre> is much more, in wikitext language at least 20:46:08 <frosch123> what is indent? pre or code? 20:46:28 <TrueBrain> pre 20:46:38 <TrueBrain> wikitext makes a difference between indent and pre btw .. which is also fun 20:46:47 <TrueBrain> if you do a manually <pre>, it is also a <nowiki>, basically 20:46:53 <TrueBrain> it doesn't parse anything in there 20:47:04 <andythenorth> stupid FIRS :) 20:47:10 <andythenorth> calls 'fruit' as 'fruits' 20:47:14 <andythenorth> fruit is already plural silly 20:47:31 <FLHerne> Speaking of code blocks...can anyone tell me what "spoler" means in this context? > hello. is anyway to use "+" spoler in cate for some code blocks ? 20:47:45 <andythenorth> progressive disclosure 20:47:55 <TrueBrain> FLHerne: E_LEXER_ERROR 20:48:01 <andythenorth> forever now known as 'spoiler' 20:48:04 <FLHerne> I would like to answer the question, but it's meaningless gibberish, so I can't 20:48:08 <LordAro> spoiler perhaps? 20:48:18 <LordAro> as in a close/open section 20:48:19 <andythenorth> it's a disclosure block 20:48:29 <LordAro> hide/show, even 20:48:32 <FLHerne> Oh, I see 20:48:36 <andythenorth> summary/details if html5 20:48:39 <TrueBrain> I see LordAro has a fuzzier parser than we do :D 20:48:45 <LordAro> i've no idea of the context 20:48:47 <andythenorth> like train wagons are now 'carts' everywhere 20:48:51 <andythenorth> stuff changes 20:49:02 <LordAro> but i've seen '+' used in that way before, and spoler looks a bit like spoiler 20:49:17 <LordAro> and spoiler could mean "hidden" 20:49:21 <FLHerne> TrueBrain: andythenorth has children, I think? 20:49:25 <FLHerne> Maybe that helps 20:49:34 <andythenorth> also much discussion about GoT 20:49:35 <TrueBrain> how does that help LordAro ? :D 20:49:49 <andythenorth> our work irc is all 'NO SPOILERS' 20:49:58 <andythenorth> isn't it a reddit thing? 20:50:01 <TrueBrain> this conversation confuses me now :P 20:50:11 <andythenorth> I always start confused 20:50:15 <andythenorth> which aids greatly 20:51:30 <andythenorth> can we do regions :P 20:51:39 <TrueBrain> one of the more annoying things I found out about mediawiki, it inspects images 20:51:42 <andythenorth> for newgrf industries or something 20:51:48 * andythenorth back to FIRS 20:52:02 <TrueBrain> and for example in a gallery, if you say: height 200px, it changes the margin to be 200px together with the real height of the image 20:52:02 <FLHerne> Regions? 20:52:13 <TrueBrain> I wonder if you can do the same with CSS, without knowing the image height 20:52:20 <FLHerne> Can't the placement check do that already? 20:52:30 <andythenorth> in a limited way yes 20:52:34 <andythenorth> and in a limited way it works 20:52:38 <FLHerne> Or do you want the map to specify the 'right' regions somehow? 20:52:45 <andythenorth> there's no way to do that afaict 20:52:57 <andythenorth> short of designing a scenario 20:52:59 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:53:19 <TrueBrain> https://wiki.openttd.org/Romtrain_Picture <- andythenorth knows this .. could I do the same without knowing the height of an image? :D (check the "margin" property on these pictures .. it is calculated by mediawiki) 20:53:20 <andythenorth> need to put sheep in the welsh hills, and cows in pembrokeshire and devon 20:53:23 <FLHerne> You could probably do something horrible with GS industry placement, and maybe a few signs 20:53:37 <andythenorth> urgh TrueBrain 20:53:40 <FLHerne> (you don't need the signs if you hard-code the regions into your GS) 20:54:35 * andythenorth would probably set a max-height on the container, and let the image sort itself out 20:54:40 <andythenorth> and max-width 20:54:46 <andythenorth> I hate all that stuff TBH :) 20:55:02 <TrueBrain> meh; guess I will fiddle with it some day 20:55:03 <andythenorth> if we're modern, it's probably all fixed by flexbox, but I can't use it so eh, dunno 20:55:11 <TrueBrain> I believe only 17 pages have a gallery, sowhat-ever :P 20:55:28 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 20:55:28 <andythenorth> there's always a way 20:55:57 * andythenorth considers cheese cargo 21:03:38 <TrueBrain> hmmm .. cheese .... 21:05:01 <FLHerne> You say that just as I sit down with my plate of cheese-on-pasta :p 21:06:03 <TrueBrain> we do NOT have a webcam in your home 21:06:05 <TrueBrain> I repeat 21:06:07 <TrueBrain> we do NOT 21:09:04 *** arikover has quit IRC 21:11:13 <andythenorth> started a WAWC economy LordAro FLHerne https://grf.farm/firs/wawc-test/html/economies.html#wales_and_west_country 21:11:23 <andythenorth> maybe I should call it 'In A Rainy Country' 21:11:28 <andythenorth> to go with IAHC FIRS 21:12:06 <andythenorth> probably about 50 cargos I reckon 21:12:25 *** mirrorb2rd has joined #openttd 21:14:17 *** debdog has joined #openttd 21:16:09 *** D-HUND has quit IRC 21:16:29 *** rptr_ has quit IRC 21:26:57 <andythenorth> needs bananas 21:31:21 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:56:11 *** mirrorb2rd has quit IRC 21:56:23 *** gelignite has quit IRC 22:11:58 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 22:16:29 *** nielsm has quit IRC 23:32:05 *** Laedek has joined #openttd