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00:18:46  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro opened pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkCEU
00:18:51  <LordAro> right, that's me done
01:12:07  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro updated pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkCEU
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07:45:52  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] TrueBrain requested changes for pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkWL9
07:46:53  <TrueBrain> sorry for the amount of comments LordAro , but I couldn't see if you simply forgot about requests (which is perfectly ok of course) or that you were still working on them :) So I just wrote everything down I am still missing :)
07:51:48  <TrueBrain> 502 Bad Gateway :( Sad panda ...
07:58:10  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] TrueBrain commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkWqJ
08:08:13  <andythenorth> such wow
08:08:55  <andythenorth> very github
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08:21:01  <longtomjr> netsplit?
08:25:32  <LordAro> TrueBrain: lots of comments :)
08:25:52  <LordAro> not really sure what's causing the 502, gonna have to fo some googling...
08:41:01  <andythenorth> hello
08:42:39  <longtomjr>  hi
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09:25:01  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro updated pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkCEU
09:25:16  <andythenorth> hmm
09:25:26  <LordAro> TrueBrain: most things addressed
09:25:34  <andythenorth> exposing the various client settings for company colour isn't possible?
09:25:42  <andythenorth> e.g. wagon colour, passenger coach colour etc
09:25:45  <LordAro> i've not rerun it yet because of the 502 thing that still needs fixing
09:25:51  <andythenorth> something something not network safe?
09:25:51  <LordAro> and also i have to do actual work now
09:26:18  <andythenorth> allowing newgrf to make choices based a client setting causes desyncs?
09:26:44  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkWln
09:27:40  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkWll
09:28:36  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkWlz
09:29:31  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkWlr
09:29:47  <LordAro> right, breakfast
09:34:17  <LordAro> TrueBrain: incidentally, bananas-1 is getting 'hammered' by ssh attacks, much more so than bananas-2 (71 IPs blocked vs 12)
10:04:31  <andythenorth> do we have a SIEM?
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10:51:34  <andythenorth> "quak"
10:52:05  <frosch123> moo
10:52:48  * andythenorth wonders why company colour var doesn't cause desyncs
10:53:02  <frosch123> why should it?
10:53:42  <andythenorth> isn't it a per-client setting?
10:53:58  <frosch123> no, it's "company colours", not "client colours"
10:56:51  <andythenorth> does that mean we could expose the yak-shaving settings, e.g. wagon colour?
10:57:02  <andythenorth> (as a var)
10:57:32  <frosch123> "could" yes. but i think everyone who tried that concluded that it's a mess that should be deleted instead?
10:58:13  <andythenorth> I like my parameter solution
10:58:28  <andythenorth> but I don't like that it rides totally over the player wagon colour choice
10:58:49  <andythenorth> it's somewhat confusing :P
11:01:31  <frosch123> i think if you use newgrf, you know newgrf settings, and you know detailed company colour settings, you also belong to the minority that can deal with confusion
11:02:12  <andythenorth> I wonder if it will cause bug reports [shrug emoji]
11:09:32  <frosch123> maybe find a way to define livery classes via newgrf, and make the gui only show those classes that actually exist
11:10:45  <frosch123> but not sure whether anyone ever uses those extended liveries
11:11:15  <frosch123> i don't think i did ever beyond trying the buttons for what they do
11:12:12  <andythenorth> I used them a lot
11:12:12  <frosch123> there were people with strong opinions abuot being able to safe/restore the manager face. i don't remember such requests for detailed liveries :)
11:12:16  <andythenorth> less so since groups
11:12:33  <andythenorth> groups over-rides the choice detailed choices
11:12:59  <frosch123> so, call them deprecated then
11:13:01  <longtomjr> extended liveries?
11:14:18  <longtomjr> Is that the feature that allows you to choose different company colors for different vehicle groups?
11:14:27  <longtomjr> or is that another feature I do not know about
11:14:58  <frosch123> https://wiki.openttd.org/en/Archive/Manual/Company%20Colours <- essentially tabs 2 to 5
11:15:50  <frosch123> the rows correspond to the railtypes, and whatever groups some ttdp guy thought relevant 15 years ago
11:18:18  <frosch123> it's probably one of the most broken guis in the game
11:18:36  <frosch123> what about steam engines on narrow gauge?
11:18:53  <andythenorth> the gui is lolz
11:19:04  <andythenorth> weird things like handling of mail
11:19:14  <andythenorth> and you can't set some things as MUs reliably
11:19:59  <Eddi|zuHause> is that just me or is that page awfully slow?
11:20:28  <Eddi|zuHause> i had blank page for at least 5 seconds
11:20:36  <frosch123> no issue here, so just you
11:21:04  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it's fast now on reload
11:21:09  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe browser startup issue
11:21:31  <Eddi|zuHause> or DNS lookup
11:21:37  <frosch123> oh, there are more tabs in master
11:21:40  <frosch123> no idea what they do
11:23:29  <frosch123> ah, those are the group thingies
11:23:39  <frosch123> will anyone notice if tabs 2 to 5 go missing?
11:24:02  <Eddi|zuHause> me, in 5 years?
11:24:53  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly convinced now that the DNS lookup was slow
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11:29:50  <longtomjr> frosch123, ah I use that, but you can do that based on your vehicle groups
11:30:55  <frosch123> vehicle groups and engine vs. wagon is orthagonal
11:31:13  <frosch123> but who really wants a matrix of all groups vs engine/wagon/whatever?
11:32:16  <longtomjr> You can do pretty much whatever you want with the groups right? You might need to do a bunch of groups, but if you really want to it should not be a problem?
11:33:17  <frosch123> you cannot put engiens and wagons of the same train into different groups :)
11:33:29  <longtomjr> Aaah that is the requirement
11:33:47  <frosch123> not sure anyone "requires" that :)
11:33:48  <longtomjr> Did not realise that yep
11:33:58  <longtomjr> Most of the time you want your liveries to match up
11:34:19  <longtomjr> Also, a lot of vehicle sets do liveries through refits
11:35:09  <frosch123> i guess maximum would be a matrix with rows for each group, and columns for every purchaseable engine/wagon type
11:35:25  <frosch123> though maybe you want to extend that to a cube for every refittable cargo type
11:35:35  <frosch123> and then 3cc per cell
11:35:58  * frosch123 goes shopping
11:36:13  <longtomjr> for cubes?
11:41:43  <andythenorth> for lolz
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12:10:22  <frosch123> andythenorth: didn't you once suggested a colour brush tool for the depot?
12:10:30  <frosch123> to just paint individual vehicles
12:11:06  <andythenorth> yes
12:11:29  <andythenorth> and allow newgrf to extend the brushes
12:11:33  <frosch123> probably less choices than the livery cube
12:11:39  <andythenorth> well 16 company colours
12:11:47  <andythenorth> delete one of them
12:11:57  <andythenorth> I mean...pruple is ugly right?
12:12:11  <longtomjr> Just take hex color codes :P
12:12:15  <andythenorth> then use the spare bit to offset into a new pool of newgrf defined liveries
12:12:32  <andythenorth> which are just indexes
12:12:37  <frosch123> how about a special "outline-only" mode? then let your kid scribble it with colours?
12:13:15  <andythenorth> hmm I have a spritesheet of that
12:13:22  <andythenorth> I thought it was in the repo, seems not
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12:14:30  <andythenorth> hmm found it, but it's not the version in pink with a face
12:14:32  <andythenorth> nvm
12:14:49  <andythenorth> anyway, current company colour UI is a plague
12:57:10  <TrueBrain> LordAro: regarding SSH "attacks", most likely one of the two IPs was used with an active SSH before ... IP-reuse is real :P
13:00:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] TrueBrain commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkW7Z
13:01:28  <TrueBrain> LordAro: if it helps, I can also create a "test.txt" or something, for testing purposes
13:04:07  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] TrueBrain commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkW7b
13:04:12  <TrueBrain> LordAro: easiest debug EVAH
13:05:38  <TrueBrain> I hotfixed bananas-1
13:05:41  <TrueBrain> now SSL validation errors
13:10:36  <TrueBrain> routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number
13:10:39  <TrueBrain> lol .. wuth? :)
13:12:27  <LordAro> TrueBrain: indeed (re ssh)
13:12:37  <LordAro> TrueBrain: yep, saw that one as well
13:12:42  <LordAro> (before)
13:12:48  <LordAro> didn't get a chance to debug
13:12:55  <LordAro> yet
13:13:05  <LordAro> but feel free to do it for me :)
13:13:16  <TrueBrain> why the ... does it even do anything with ssl3?
13:14:50  <LordAro> not a clue
13:15:50  <TrueBrain> it worked for binaries-proxy :P
13:16:40  <TrueBrain> owh, it is requesting based on IP
13:16:40  <TrueBrain> wtf
13:19:05  <TrueBrain> I think this is SNI failing
13:20:27  <LordAro> i did think that was a bit weird
13:21:30  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] TrueBrain commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkWFS
13:22:19  <TrueBrain> there you go, a solution on a platter
13:22:26  <TrueBrain> I hope you don't mind and didn't want to solve this yourself :(
13:22:53  <LordAro> :p
13:24:21  <TrueBrain> haha, we should maybe strip the AWS headers out, I notice :D
13:24:32  <TrueBrain> as it is now a cache of a cache :P
13:25:09  <TrueBrain> dropping all X- headers should be sufficient; no clue if it is worth the effort :)
13:25:23  <TrueBrain> hot-fixed bananas-1
13:27:48  <TrueBrain> owh, and IPv6 is not working; but you knew that :) (also going wrong trying to contact upstream :P)
13:28:10  <TrueBrain> what is cool, is that nginx sees all the A and AAAA records of AWS as potential servers (they are)
13:28:13  <TrueBrain> so if one fails, it tries the next
13:28:16  <TrueBrain> lovely, that that just works :)
13:56:35  <andythenorth> LUNCH!
14:14:56  * andythenorth </lunch>
14:15:02  <andythenorth> COFFEE!
14:15:32  <TrueBrain> CAPITALS
14:15:36  <andythenorth> frosch123 alongside 'paintbrush' we could have 'airbrush' which paints random vehicles in the depot
14:15:52  <andythenorth> we could also swap 'clone vehicle' into the photoshop style clone brush
14:16:28  <andythenorth> "Can't innovate anymore, my ass"
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15:15:25  <qwebirc25151> hello
15:15:43  <qwebirc25151> where are older versions of openttd kept
15:16:00  <LordAro> https://cdn.openttd.org/
15:16:02  <qwebirc25151> I wanted the 1.9.1 binary
15:24:33  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] extrazi opened issue #91: [pl_PL] Translator access request https://git.io/JklYx
15:29:18  <TrueBrain> qwebirc25151: well, you are in luck, even if you wanted 0.1.0, it is there! :P
15:34:31  <frosch123> i am waiting for the day someone asks what makes an openttd release an "useful-release"
15:40:13  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] twpol opened pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JklGO
15:44:11  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JklZU
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16:47:42  <andythenorth> FML
16:48:11  <andythenorth> the benchmarks on the £999 ARM mac are better than the benchmarks on my £2500 i9
16:48:15  <andythenorth> Apple laptops are so bad
16:49:36  <andythenorth> why are they so slow?
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17:11:13  <LordAro> are they especially tailored benchmarks?
17:15:16  <andythenorth> the initial benchmarks were just geekbench
17:15:24  <andythenorth> with and without the transpiler thingy
17:15:44  <andythenorth> but the reviews are testing more realistic useage
17:16:07  <andythenorth> I shouldn't be surprised, my kids £450 ipads are faster than my i9
17:16:27  <andythenorth> but still, the Apple laptop performance is awful
17:17:41  * andythenorth still surprised by computers after 40 years
17:22:04  <andythenorth> TL;DR Apple nerf performance with a crippled thermal design and low-spec intel chips
17:22:12  <andythenorth> so that's the answer
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21:30:38  <andythenorth> bedtime?
21:33:59  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] twpol updated pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JklGO
21:37:03  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] twpol updated pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JklGO
21:38:59  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JklxR
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21:46:54  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] twpol commented on pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JklpD
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23:48:42  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro updated pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkCEU
23:49:41  <LordAro> TrueBrain: staging achieved, with much effort. the whole "staging and production" on the same host is not a very good fit
23:50:24  <LordAro> i've also added ipv6 (manually, decided it wasn't "part of the configuration" in the same way that the ipv4 isn't), but am not brave enough to restart networking - i'll let you try that

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