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09:11:14  <andythenorth> yo
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09:43:00  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain opened pull request #9611: Backport master into release/12 https://git.io/JK8or
09:52:18  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #9603: Doc: Prepare for 12.0 release & title game https://git.io/J2bDo
09:54:28  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #226: Add: 12.0 announcement https://git.io/J2NEm
09:55:44  <TrueBrain> that should prepare tomorrow
10:01:55  <andythenorth> :)
10:05:30  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #226: Add: 12.0 announcement https://git.io/J2NEm
10:05:43  <TrueBrain> I like Cloudflare Pages .. we can now preview these posts before they are merged :)
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13:05:36  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/py-protocol] TrueBrain opened pull request #20: Add: application performance monitoring via Honeycomb https://git.io/JK4E5
13:06:38  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/game-coordinator] TrueBrain opened pull request #71: Add: application performance monitoring via Honeycomb https://git.io/JK4ui
13:08:02  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/py-protocol] TrueBrain updated pull request #20: Add: application performance monitoring via Honeycomb https://git.io/JK4E5
13:10:11  <TrueBrain> lets see if this helps getting a bit of insight what is actually going on :)
13:10:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/py-protocol] TrueBrain merged pull request #20: Add: application performance monitoring via Honeycomb https://git.io/JK4E5
13:10:34  <LordAro> is something happening that requires it?
13:10:38  <LordAro> or just out of interest?
13:10:50  <LordAro> also hi
13:10:56  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/py-protocol] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.4.0 https://git.io/JK4aC
13:11:00  <TrueBrain> hi :)
13:11:06  <TrueBrain> and no, nothing happening that requires it
13:11:14  <TrueBrain> but it is also kinda a blackbox in how connection are being created
13:11:22  <TrueBrain> so I hope this gives a bit of insight if everything is working as expected
13:11:39  <TrueBrain> so yeah, mostly out of interest
13:12:07  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/game-coordinator] TrueBrain updated pull request #71: Add: application performance monitoring via Honeycomb https://git.io/JK4ui
13:12:51  <LordAro> will need to add beeline to requirements, no?
13:12:58  <TrueBrain> yes, tnx!
13:13:04  <LordAro> ^^
13:13:11  <LordAro> what would you do without me
13:13:11  <glx> would be nice if somebody would push opengfx 7.2 on bananas
13:13:29  <TrueBrain> LordAro: :D
13:13:37  <TrueBrain> glx: who has access? LordAro ? andythenorth ?
13:13:49  <glx> oh and it's 7.1
13:13:51  <LordAro> i feel like i do
13:14:04  <andythenorth> I probably do, but I'm about to go out :)
13:14:14  <LordAro> let's have a look
13:14:26  <glx> this time it should not be rejected I hope
13:14:51  <LordAro> also MSX (apparently) needs another release
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13:15:02  <LordAro> according to everyone's favourite wuzzy
13:15:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/game-coordinator] TrueBrain updated pull request #71: Add: application performance monitoring via Honeycomb https://git.io/JK4ui
13:16:07  <LordAro> "opengfx-7.1.tar (5210 kB)" "Could not recognise this file; possibly the extension is wrong?"
13:16:14  <glx> yeah many translation changes since last release
13:16:26  <LordAro> do i need to unpack the zip?
13:16:29  <TrueBrain> yes
13:16:33  <LordAro> boring
13:16:37  <TrueBrain> yes
13:17:20  <TrueBrain> I hope my algorithm to rate limit traces is working as expected ... :D
13:17:26  <TrueBrain> @calc 100 * 10 * 24 * 30
13:17:26  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 720000
13:17:32  <LordAro> are there any version requirements of ogfx?
13:17:43  <TrueBrain> if everything goes well, it is just 7% of our allowed budget .. :D
13:18:05  <TrueBrain> LordAro: does any other version have a requirement set?
13:18:12  <TrueBrain> as I think it should be fine, but I am never sure
13:18:14  <glx> old openttd should understand newer versions
13:18:26  <LordAro> not afaik
13:18:35  <glx> will just drop extra sprites
13:18:37  <glx> I think
13:19:20  <LordAro> done
13:19:22  <frosch123> all nml grfs are ottd >= 1.2
13:20:52  <frosch123> but that probably applies to most stuff on bananas :p so ottd 0.7 users are used to stuff not working :p
13:21:43  <frosch123> did i mention that someone sent a ottd 0.7.5 screenshot for the website two weeks ago?
13:22:08  <TrueBrain> is he making a Go-port of 0.7? :D
13:22:20  <LordAro> lol
13:22:33  <LordAro> how is that java 'port' going?
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13:22:55  <glx> btw updating opengfx was more important than a new openmsx release ;)
13:23:19  <glx> people get a message with the outdated opengfx in newer openttd
13:25:56  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/game-coordinator] TrueBrain merged pull request #71: Add: application performance monitoring via Honeycomb https://git.io/JK4ui
13:26:03  <TrueBrain> let's test this on staging :D
13:35:39  <TrueBrain> either way, any chance for a review on https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9611 ? :)
13:44:10  <TrueBrain> okay, so honeycomb was working locally .. but on staging it seems to not send any events .. oops?
13:49:24  <andythenorth> key?
13:49:26  <andythenorth> dunno :)
13:49:27  <andythenorth> GTG
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14:02:33  <TrueBrain> lol, string vs int, yeah .. okay .. lets fix that :)
14:07:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/game-coordinator] TrueBrain opened pull request #72: Fix: several application performance monitoring related fixes https://git.io/JKBck
14:08:21  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/game-coordinator] TrueBrain updated pull request #72: Fix: several application performance monitoring related fixes https://git.io/JKBck
14:09:15  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/game-coordinator] TrueBrain merged pull request #72: Fix: several application performance monitoring related fixes https://git.io/JKBck
14:13:15  <TrueBrain> yippie, traces :)
14:14:02  <TrueBrain> it is not perfect yet, and it needs work, but it is good enough for now :)
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14:16:16  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/game-coordinator] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.5.0 https://git.io/JKBRq
14:20:22  <LordAro> TrueBrain: is there a way we can view these metrics?
14:20:41  <TrueBrain> if you would have an @openttd.org email address, yes :P
14:20:48  <LordAro> meh
14:20:53  <LordAro> i'll settle for screenshots :p
14:20:56  <TrueBrain> sorry :(
14:21:41  <TrueBrain> will take a few days to get decent profiles out of this :)
14:22:08  <TrueBrain> (it only samples 1 out of 10 traces, and only up to a max of 100 traces an hour)
14:22:45  <TrueBrain> there are around 30 unique traces to be created, of which some are a lot more rare than others .. so yeah, will take some time to give a decent overview :)
14:27:02  <TrueBrain> LordAro: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/273533192601075712/898940069459656754/unknown.png <- for you! :)
14:27:23  <LordAro> !
14:27:37  <LordAro> intriguing
14:28:07  <TrueBrain> lol, it is sampling the redis communication a lot .. that is not the most interesting data :P
14:28:20  <TrueBrain> (as in, coordinator <-> coordinator traffic)
14:34:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] LordAro opened pull request #44: Doc: Changelog for 1.0.2 release https://git.io/JKBiA
14:34:58  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] LordAro opened pull request #25: Doc: Changelog for 0.4.1 release https://git.io/JKBij
14:45:41  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J0anJosep opened pull request #9612: Add: Draw rotor in cursor when dragging helicopters. https://git.io/JKBHo
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14:56:03  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] TrueBrain approved pull request #44: Doc: Changelog for 1.0.2 release https://git.io/JKBxc
14:56:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] TrueBrain approved pull request #25: Doc: Changelog for 0.4.1 release https://git.io/JKBxV
14:59:32  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] LordAro merged pull request #25: Doc: Changelog for 0.4.1 release https://git.io/JKBij
14:59:37  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] LordAro merged pull request #44: Doc: Changelog for 1.0.2 release https://git.io/JKBiA
14:59:40  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] LordAro closed issue #43: Make a new release with new/updated translations https://git.io/JgtIQ
14:59:54  <LordAro> nothing needs doing except tagging, right?
14:59:59  <LordAro> nothing else*
15:01:17  <LordAro> https://pasteboard.co/3azgewpIGyfx.png oh that's fancy ('auto-generate release notes')
15:01:54  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] LordAro created new tag: 1.0.2 https://git.io/JKRv0
15:10:05  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] LordAro opened pull request #26: Codechange: [DorpsGek] Also announce tags https://git.io/JKRIW
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15:20:36  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] TrueBrain approved pull request #26: Codechange: [DorpsGek] Also announce tags https://git.io/JKRGg
15:23:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] LordAro merged pull request #26: Codechange: [DorpsGek] Also announce tags https://git.io/JKRIW
15:27:26  <LordAro> "There is already an entry with the same md5sum-partial for this package; this most likely means you are uploading the exact same content."
15:27:29  <LordAro> hmm.
15:28:32  <LordAro> changelog appears to be missing 0.4.2 data too
15:28:46  <LordAro> which is strange
15:30:15  <LordAro> I think maybe it's cached an incomplete update that i backed out of?
15:30:17  <LordAro> not really sure
15:30:38  <LordAro> oh hang on
15:30:41  <LordAro> i have become very confused
15:30:51  <LordAro> i have tagged 0.4.2, but it should be 0.4.1
15:33:07  <LordAro> TrueBrain: i have deleted the msx tag, can you remove from S3? (and the website?)
15:36:32  <LordAro> same md5sum-partial issue with sfx...
15:36:34  <LordAro> very strange.
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16:07:52  <TrueBrain> I am home in a few hours and will see what you are trying to do :)
16:08:23  <TrueBrain> Removing from S3 is very difficult.. similar I never removed OpenGFX 7.0 :)
16:35:33  <glx> LordAro: if it checks only the actual data and not .obs that's to be expected
16:35:58  <LordAro> mm
16:36:17  <glx> only translation changes since last release
17:22:25  <TrueBrain> Languages not part of checksum .. not surprising :D
17:24:10  <TrueBrain> btw, next time I suggest we call it OpenMSX 4.1 and OpenSFX 1.1 or something :)
17:25:00  <LordAro> i couldn't be bothered working out if i needed to actually change anything in the build system for that
17:25:11  <TrueBrain> fair
17:25:15  <TrueBrain> OpenGFX paved the way, I would think
17:25:20  <LordAro> mm
17:25:31  <TrueBrain> anyway, seems you need to make a change to something "real" .. bit weird
17:25:45  <TrueBrain> guess fixing that will take a shitload of effort :D
17:27:28  <TrueBrain> I have no suggestions what you could change to generate another md5sum, honestly
17:28:16  <TrueBrain> I can revoke the uploads from S3 btw, but it takes me a lot of effort .. if it is easier to just release a new version, I prefer that :D
17:28:32  <TrueBrain> (removing the upload is easy, but changing the "latest" to an older version is manual labor)
17:28:40  <LordAro> mm
17:28:57  <LordAro> i suppose i could 'rerelease' with 0.4.3 or something
17:29:18  <TrueBrain> we did that for OpenGFX :P
17:29:24  <TrueBrain> but you need another md5 ..
17:29:31  <TrueBrain> as otherwise you cannot upload it to BaNaNaS :P
17:29:34  <LordAro> mm
17:29:36  <TrueBrain> and I have no idea how to make that happen
17:29:43  <LordAro> can we not fix bananas?
17:29:49  <TrueBrain> it isn't broken
17:29:59  <LordAro> seems like it's broken
17:30:02  <TrueBrain> you would first need to make changes to the OpenTTD client, I guess
17:30:25  <LordAro> oh i see, it's broken at that sort of level
17:30:37  <TrueBrain> BaNaNaS just mimic OpenTTD's md5 calculation :)
17:31:07  <LordAro> does midi have some sort of metadata field we can increment?
17:31:10  <TrueBrain> I guess it is "by design" .. as in: "why would we ever want to release a new version with only translation changes" kinda thought :P
17:31:17  <LordAro> mm
17:31:29  <TrueBrain> (not agreeing with that statement btw)
17:33:40  <TrueBrain> maybe frosch123 has ideas :)
17:34:55  <frosch123> in ogfx it is easy, the version number is inside the extra grf
17:35:09  <frosch123> for msx or sfx, i think we had that issue before...
17:36:43  <frosch123> hmm, or some other bananas music set
17:37:47  <TrueBrain> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/273533192601075712/898987988686626936/unknown.png <- when someone doesn't accept the TURN connection, I guess. I need a bit more detail here to actual see what is happening :) MORE TRACES! :D
17:38:32  <frosch123> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenSFX/commit/7784f4945825db6138cb4d284c79b79babdc9a13
17:38:41  <frosch123> rb found some hack for opensfx :)
17:39:37  <TrueBrain> guess that got removed? :)
17:40:06  <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenSFX/commit/3ea2863c7504d8ee6e6c84b04ddbe1e5e594f863
17:40:07  <TrueBrain> lol
17:40:35  <TrueBrain> so restoring that hack would at least allow you to rerelease OpenSFX and put it on BaNaNaS :)
17:40:44  <TrueBrain> frosch123: now do OpenMSX! :)
17:41:10  <LordAro> the .psfo had already been renamed to .sfo by that point, so presumably it was broken already?
17:41:10  <glx> yeah somebody changed a lot of things in sfx ;)
17:42:20  <glx> lol rb commit in 2010 followed by the rename in 2013
17:42:56  <LordAro> the dangers of not commenting your code properly
17:43:30  <TrueBrain> well, do better this time :D :)
17:44:24  <glx> main issue in sfx or msx is the generic openttdcoop makefile, with all nml/grf related stuff and it's hard to spot specific sfx or msx stuff
17:44:34  <LordAro> yeah
17:44:48  <LordAro> i'd definitely like to strip all that out
17:44:58  <TrueBrain> nobody is stopping you :D
17:45:38  <glx> well specific stuff should be in Makefile.in it seems
17:48:06  <glx> maybe they should have done a kind of modular makefile, like -include Makefile.version, -include Makefile.grf, ...
17:48:45  <TrueBrain> or, don't over engineer these repos? :D
17:49:19  <glx> one implemented a makefile, other copied it ;)
17:50:00  <frosch123> my best guess for opensfx: shuffle the order of the songs in themes.list
17:50:13  <frosch123> keep the title track frist, the rest does not matter
17:50:15  <TrueBrain> s/opensfx/openmsx/ ?
17:50:22  <frosch123> and there are a log of permutations, more than versions :p
17:50:28  <frosch123> yes, openmsx :)
17:51:14  <frosch123> @calc 10! * 10! * 10!
17:51:14  <DorpsGek> frosch123: Error: invalid syntax (<unknown>, line 1)
17:51:38  <TrueBrain> @calc (10 * 9 * 8 * 7 * 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2) ** 3
17:51:38  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 47784725839872000000
17:51:53  <frosch123> enough?
17:51:54  <TrueBrain> fixed it :P
17:52:08  <TrueBrain> was it just me, or did DorpsGek need some time to answer that? :P
17:52:25  <glx> for now, https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenMSX/pull/24 could be enough ;)
17:52:25  <frosch123> i did not look
17:52:31  <frosch123> @calc 1+1
17:52:31  <DorpsGek> frosch123: 2
17:52:35  <frosch123> pretty instant for me
17:52:44  <TrueBrain> frosch123: I meant my calculation :)
17:52:51  <frosch123> @calc (10 * 9 * 8 * 7 * 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2) ** 3
17:52:51  <DorpsGek> frosch123: 47784725839872000000
17:52:57  <frosch123> no difference
17:53:00  <TrueBrain> it is warmed up now :P
17:54:07  <glx> both are in the same second here
17:54:17  <TrueBrain> I blame Matrix, no worries
17:54:26  <TrueBrain> currently the bug in Matrix is that it sometimes says lines twice
17:54:38  <TrueBrain> the deduplication over the different nodes is not always working as expected :P
17:54:41  <TrueBrain> which is hilarious
17:55:24  <glx> better get message twice than missing one I guess
17:56:57  <TrueBrain> true
17:57:02  <glx> ok approved MSX#24 workflows (knowing they will fail)
18:26:13  <TrueBrain> but in the meantime .. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9611 anyone? Pretty please?
18:26:32  <TrueBrain> it is like really simple, and requires no braincells :P
18:33:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #9611: Backport master into release/12 https://git.io/JK09R
18:33:40  <TrueBrain> cheers
18:33:54  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #9611: Backport master into release/12 https://git.io/JK8or
18:35:50  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #9603: Doc: Prepare for 12.0 release & title game https://git.io/J2bDo
18:35:54  <TrueBrain> that should fix preview .. I hope :)
18:37:40  <LordAro> i can't understand how bundle_src actually does any copying of files
18:39:40  <LordAro> oh wait, yes i can
18:39:43  <LordAro> that's hilarious
18:40:10  <TrueBrain> bah, Preview still fails .. guess I actually need to check why and fix it? :P
18:40:13  <LordAro> bundle_src uses git to create the archive, then unpacks it
18:40:21  <TrueBrain> sounds useful :P
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18:56:08  <TrueBrain> lol .. 9603 shows warnings in Emscripten
18:56:11  <TrueBrain> but ... how? :P
18:56:15  <TrueBrain> owh, assert ...
18:56:18  <TrueBrain> joy
18:56:59  <TrueBrain> I wonder why only Emscripten complains about this
18:57:11  <TrueBrain> newer GCC? It is a "set but not used" error
18:57:26  <TrueBrain> of an unused function
18:57:27  <TrueBrain> lol
18:58:14  <TrueBrain> but why didn't it spot it before ... that is just odd
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18:59:51  <TrueBrain> owh, yeah, ofc, I just said that already .. asserts .. euhm, yeah, what-ever, lets fix it
19:02:09  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #9603: Doc: Prepare for 12.0 release & title game https://git.io/J2bDo
19:02:44  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain opened pull request #9613: Codechange: "set but not used" warning when disabling assert() https://git.io/JK07E
19:09:07  <glx> don't we use WITH_ASSERT instead of NDEBUG for this stuff ?
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19:16:43  <glx> oh I see why you used NDEBUG, it's the only file already using that :)
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19:32:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #9613: Codechange: "set but not used" warning when disabling assert() https://git.io/JK0dN
19:33:23  <TrueBrain> why am I not surprised about any of that :P
19:34:13  <TrueBrain> "The sanity check is actually disabled for any release build even with asserts, but maybe it should be enabled in this case." <- that sentence fails my parser
19:34:19  <TrueBrain> no clue what you are trying to say :)
19:35:34  <glx> I mean sanity check is only working with debug builds, so almost useless, it's disabled in nightlies and betas
19:37:44  <TrueBrain> tempted to change the other NDEBUG in our code too, about Squirrel stack size
19:37:49  <TrueBrain> we kinda want to know these things during beta/RC
19:38:10  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #9613: Codechange: "set but not used" warning when disabling assert() https://git.io/JK07E
19:38:35  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #9603: Doc: Prepare for 12.0 release & title game https://git.io/J2bDo
19:39:35  <glx> yeah I was just checking other NDEBUG, and I agree with you on the Squirrel one
19:40:00  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #9613: Codechange: "set but not used" warning when disabling assert() https://git.io/JK07E
19:40:12  <glx> last one is in fmt, but we don't need to touch that
19:40:17  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #9603: Doc: Prepare for 12.0 release & title game https://git.io/J2bDo
19:44:17  <TrueBrain> not going to do the Squirrel one in this PR btw
19:44:26  <TrueBrain> a day before release .. ;)
19:44:46  <glx> yeah can wait
19:45:32  <glx> "This way getting a false positive isn't that bad (releases work fine) and if there is something fishy it can be caught in RCs/nightlies." <-- that's the funny part ;)
19:46:47  <glx> catching something not reported
19:48:31  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 approved pull request #9613: Codechange: "set but not used" warning when disabling assert() https://git.io/JK0bU
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20:06:12  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #9613: Codechange: "set but not used" warning when disabling assert() https://git.io/JK07E
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