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07:49:54 <LordAro> do you think it might be? 07:51:03 *** Gustavo6046_ has joined #openttd 07:51:48 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 08:10:44 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 08:11:27 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 08:14:54 *** Kitrana has joined #openttd 08:18:45 *** Kitrana1 has joined #openttd 08:22:59 *** Kitrana has quit IRC 08:27:30 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:35:34 *** Kitrana1 has quit IRC 08:38:08 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 09:28:19 <peter1138> You never know. 09:28:38 <LordAro> it could be lunchtime, if you're somewhere in the middle east 11:30:25 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 11:35:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #9827: Feature: Improved finance window https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9827#issuecomment-1070820395 11:48:54 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #9827: Feature: Improved finance window https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9827#issuecomment-1070830158 12:09:16 *** tokai has joined #openttd 12:09:16 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 12:16:03 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 13:03:45 *** Kitrana has joined #openttd 13:06:56 *** Kitrana1 has joined #openttd 13:11:49 *** Kitrana has quit IRC 13:12:25 *** glx has joined #openttd 13:12:25 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 13:26:31 *** Kitrana1 has quit IRC 13:44:36 *** Kitrana has joined #openttd 13:47:24 *** Kitrana1 has joined #openttd 13:47:45 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 13:49:28 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 13:52:39 *** Kitrana has quit IRC 14:47:09 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 14:47:51 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 16:01:01 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 16:03:22 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 16:19:15 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:08:17 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 17:14:48 *** J0anJosep has joined #openttd 17:15:14 *** greeter has quit IRC 17:22:57 *** Flygon has quit IRC 17:40:02 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 17:43:50 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:57:14 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 18:17:54 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:28:01 <andythenorth> yo 18:36:29 *** Kitrana has joined #openttd 18:36:38 *** Kitrana1 has quit IRC 19:06:30 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 19:09:01 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 19:09:14 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 19:46:14 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 19:47:11 <Wolf01> So we have something ready for 1st april? 19:50:09 <nielsm> dunno a blog post about a fake release? 19:51:10 <Wolf01> Say that devs decided to draw back from steam and other stores 19:51:22 <Wolf01> Generate some havok :P 19:51:41 <Wolf01> I'm good with that 19:53:35 <frosch123> announce a new calendar 19:53:42 <frosch123> 1st april was already 6 months ago 19:54:36 <nielsm> the new multiplayer features have been such an overwhelming success that we're removing singleplayer because it's obsolete 19:54:40 <Wolf01> Switch to napoleonic calendar? 19:55:00 <Wolf01> That's wonderful, nielsm :D 19:58:49 <TrueBrain> a true 1st of April's joke .. now that would be refreshing :P 20:00:36 <nielsm> also make a build of the game with singleplayer actually removed (from the main menu) for screenshots 20:01:00 <nielsm> "improved usability by removing redundant choices" 20:01:23 <TrueBrain> well, I expect this in a PR by the end of the month :P 20:01:25 <frosch123> just a single big "play" button 20:02:07 <frosch123> people kept on complaining/asking about past jokes months after april 20:05:29 <andythenorth> I have a better idea 20:05:35 <TrueBrain> impossible 20:05:38 <TrueBrain> that was the best idea there was 20:05:40 <andythenorth> game is WASM only and requires a network connection 20:05:43 <andythenorth> but we remove multiplayer 20:06:13 <TrueBrain> "Going out of 'Free' on Steam; now €12,99" 20:06:45 <andythenorth> all funds go to truebrain, to convert Iron Horse to truegrf 20:06:46 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD DLC, to unlock trams 20:07:15 <andythenorth> lol 'train whack' is top google serps 20:07:27 <TrueBrain> Subscriptions, for just 5 euro a month you get unlimited rail tracks! 20:08:03 <frosch123> yeah, 5 euro/month to disable the in-game ads 20:08:12 <frosch123> i think that is standard now 20:08:19 <TrueBrain> haha, "WE ADDED ADS! To give you a better player experience! Integrates with Facebook!" 20:08:37 <TrueBrain> for those people who truly don't care about privacy :D 20:08:51 <andythenorth> we harvest your data, for better experience 20:09:01 <TrueBrain> "This tracker is fine!" 20:09:17 <TrueBrain> "Okay, for 5 euro a month you can disable the tracker! If privacy matters to you!" 20:09:34 <TrueBrain> I should work for Google / Facebook / <insert any other evil corp> 20:10:47 <andythenorth> how much do we have to charge to make a living on it? 20:11:05 <TrueBrain> close to 1M people who claimed the game 20:11:17 <TrueBrain> so ... depends on how many people will be living of it for what period of their life :P 20:11:37 <andythenorth> you can do grf, frosch123 can be sysadmin, I will do customer service 20:11:42 <andythenorth> so 3, each year 20:12:00 <TrueBrain> something tells me that list is in the wrong order :P 20:12:24 <andythenorth> I liked it 20:12:42 <andythenorth> maybe we can make a youtube channel 20:13:04 <andythenorth> so if we can convert 50% of 1 million players 20:13:11 <andythenorth> to say.... / year 20:13:17 <andythenorth> m should be enough? 20:13:49 <andythenorth> I know engineer salaries are now ridiculously high, according to recruiter emails I get sent 20:14:49 <frosch123> there are certainly huge regional differences :) 20:15:05 <frosch123> which becomes even more weird when working remote 20:15:39 <andythenorth> I am being offered engineers with 10 year experience in the local market 20:15:52 <andythenorth> at salaries higher than local average MD / CEO / Sales Director salary 20:16:10 <andythenorth> not CTO either, engineer 20:16:18 <andythenorth> 'frothy' 20:16:21 <andythenorth> 'bubble' 20:17:06 <frosch123> do they have experience with blockchain and nft though? 20:19:01 <andythenorth> " C#, ASP.NET MVC, .NET Core, ADO.NET, JavaScript, Entity Framework, and SQ" 20:19:42 <andythenorth> £65k 20:20:11 <TrueBrain> @calc 65000 * 1.18 / 12 20:20:11 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 6391.666666666667 20:20:25 <TrueBrain> that is steep even for over here :P 20:20:27 <frosch123> is that eur/month? 20:20:28 <TrueBrain> one can always ask 20:20:31 <TrueBrain> yeah 20:20:49 <andythenorth> that is the salary of a sales director 20:20:57 <andythenorth> " 4 years extensive hands-on experience Python developing and modelling data centric applications, involved in system architecture, tackling scalability and performance challenges" 20:21:04 <andythenorth> expected salary of £90,000 20:21:10 <TrueBrain> hahaha 20:21:19 <TrueBrain> well, amazon might pay that, honestly 20:21:24 <TrueBrain> they pay crazy amounts 20:21:37 <TrueBrain> which is not helping the job market, may I add :P 20:21:38 <andythenorth> Average Managing Director Salary £80,750 20:21:53 <andythenorth> there is a lot of easy money in scaleups 20:21:54 <TrueBrain> but, I am not the kind of person that believes a manager should earn more than a developer 20:22:04 <TrueBrain> a good developer is more valuable than most managers 20:22:24 <andythenorth> good developers have always been well paid the local market here 20:22:28 <frosch123> you can still apply for that pl/1 job in frankfurt :) i did not take it 20:22:43 <andythenorth> even 15 years ago sysadmin or DBA was £50k her minimum 20:22:50 <andythenorth> here * 20:23:05 <TrueBrain> normally over here there are more people looking for a job than there is supply .. but the last few months that is flipped 20:23:08 <TrueBrain> which is completely insane 20:23:23 <andythenorth> same here, Australia, New Zealand etc 20:23:47 <TrueBrain> so if your recruitment doesn't tackle a person instantly, and shows they how awesome the company is ... another recruiter has already 20:24:03 <TrueBrain> what is funny, how quickly recruitment got more professional 20:24:06 <frosch123> TrueBrain: isn't "people looking for a job" and "supply" the same thing? 20:24:09 <TrueBrain> (over the whole industry) 20:24:18 <TrueBrain> frosch123: supply -> vacancies 20:24:26 <TrueBrain> depends on which side of the desk you are what "supply" is :P 20:24:36 <TrueBrain> supply of job, or supply of people :D 20:25:06 <frosch123> there have been more job offers than applicants here for years 20:26:00 <frosch123> but the rule of thumb applies: if a company has too many open positions, it means people are leaving too fast, so you should avoid them 20:26:30 <TrueBrain> I do wonder when this bubble goes BOOM .. will it ever? 20:27:43 <frosch123> i guess the question is which bubble will replace it 20:27:55 <andythenorth> AI! 20:28:15 <frosch123> ah, gh copilot will burst it? 20:28:16 <andythenorth> but my twitter also contains a whole pool of developers who are really scared about losing their jobs 20:28:37 <andythenorth> so weird 20:28:51 <andythenorth> anyway, is m each enough, after tax? 20:28:56 <TrueBrain> automation causes "jobloss" .. but are replaced by others, so .. just keep up :P 20:29:23 <TrueBrain> @calc 50000 / 0.06 20:29:23 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 833333.3333333334 20:29:23 <andythenorth> maybe we should charge more 20:29:30 <andythenorth> will people pay / year for OpenTTD? 20:29:51 <frosch123> TrueBrain: isn't the usual utopia, that people do not longer have to work, if machines serve? 20:30:06 <TrueBrain> guess 2M results in ~100k from interest each year? Should be enough, I guess .. 20:30:25 <andythenorth> oh you'd bank the capital, we get paid the interest? 20:30:35 <frosch123> andythenorth: no two digit number, 15/year is way to high, rather go for 5/month :p 20:30:37 <andythenorth> "OpenTTD foundation" 20:30:55 <andythenorth> we could start bankrolling things 20:31:25 * andythenorth only slightly joking, Yogscast made insane amount for charity with Jingle Jam 20:31:31 <andythenorth> £12m or something last time I added it up 20:32:16 <frosch123> how does that relate? did you get percentages from that? 20:33:53 <andythenorth> shows that games will support charity, and OpenTTD is a big component of Jingle Jam 20:33:57 <andythenorth> gamers * 20:34:11 <andythenorth> so we could charge on Steam -> 100% donate to something 20:34:16 <andythenorth> dunno what 20:34:33 <andythenorth> in this model, we don't get paid m each sorry :P 20:36:35 <TrueBrain> how many people visit our www. you think, daily? 20:36:41 <andythenorth> 200 20:36:54 <TrueBrain> wrong 20:37:02 <andythenorth> order of magnitude wrong? 20:37:12 <TrueBrain> yup 20:37:16 <frosch123> 1k 20:37:26 <andythenorth> at least 9000 20:37:33 <TrueBrain> US alone produces that many visitors frosch123 20:38:04 <frosch123> hmm, US used to be a minority, but maybe that changed with steam 20:38:14 <TrueBrain> well, EU is not an entry 20:38:16 <frosch123> though i would not expect steam players to visit the website 20:38:35 <TrueBrain> so they are cheating 20:38:40 <TrueBrain> Germany is #2, and Netherlands #3 20:38:56 <TrueBrain> but yeah, 5k+ visits per day 20:39:41 <frosch123> frontpage, wiki, or everything? 20:39:41 <andythenorth> we should put more ads on the site 20:39:44 <TrueBrain> wiki is 10k+ :) 20:39:46 <andythenorth> we'd earn as much as 20:39:51 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I was rather explicit about www. :) 20:40:07 <TrueBrain> @calc 180000 / 24 / 60 / 60 20:40:07 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 2.0833333333333335 20:40:14 <TrueBrain> 2 requests per second on wiki :P 20:40:45 <andythenorth> "why aren't we rich?" 20:40:48 <frosch123> andythenorth: head of it security complained today, that their browser extention that is supposed to trigger on dodgy websites, triggered on our software :p 20:41:02 <andythenorth> well done 20:41:39 <TrueBrain> Cloudflare caches 50% for us, which is kinda nice :D 20:42:24 <TrueBrain> now I want them to release R2 (or give me access), so I can also get stats on BaNaNaS :P 20:43:05 <andythenorth> we did a thing on Monday which was top 3 on BBC news website for 24 hours, and all other UK news, and we put through 5x more workload more than the performance tests anticipate 20:43:11 <frosch123> is R2 a competitor to S3? and when is Q1? 20:43:12 <andythenorth> it was a thing 20:43:30 <TrueBrain> frosch123: yes, R2 is like S3, but .. you can point it to an S3, and Cloudflare kicks in 20:43:34 <TrueBrain> basically, a giant cacher in front of your S3 20:43:37 <TrueBrain> heavily reducing cost 20:43:49 <TrueBrain> means we can move BaNaNaS to S3 / R2, and get ride of the 2 OVH VPSes we have running 20:44:01 <TrueBrain> should improve download speeds, and reduce cost :D 20:44:04 <andythenorth> Cloudflare seem to be really aggressive now about reducing AWS egress costs 20:44:12 <andythenorth> this is good for the rest of us, I think? 20:44:24 <TrueBrain> yeah ... AWS is stupid insane about the cost they charge 20:44:29 <TrueBrain> it is nowhere near realistic 20:44:33 <andythenorth> well Jeff has rockets to fund 20:44:33 <TrueBrain> but .. they can ask, and everyone pays 20:44:40 <frosch123> andythenorth: the top two topics are constant, so really you were on top 20:44:43 <TrueBrain> @calc 0.09 * 300 20:44:43 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 27 20:44:55 <TrueBrain> 1mbit/s used to be 15 euro a month, when I started in this industry .. 15+? years ago 20:45:03 <TrueBrain> 1mbit/s is ~300GB in 95% percentile 20:45:05 <TrueBrain> which costs 27 euro a month on AWS 20:45:06 <andythenorth> @frosch123 we were also quite 503 for some of it :P 20:45:07 <TrueBrain> just saying 20:45:32 <andythenorth> wow yes 20:45:38 <andythenorth> money printing machine 20:46:16 <TrueBrain> it is just silly .. so I am happy Cloudflare is saying: no more 20:46:21 <TrueBrain> they just have to hurry up a bit with actually releasing it 20:46:26 <TrueBrain> almost 6 months since they announced it 20:52:47 *** nielsm has quit IRC 20:57:58 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 20:57:58 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 20:58:07 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 20:58:57 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 21:01:31 *** J0anJosep has quit IRC 21:02:35 <orudge> Re the macOS build failure - looks like a third-party utility we use needs an update. https://github.com/mitchellh/homebrew-gon/pull/1 - will keep an eye on it, hopefully the fix will be merged in soon, but if not, can look at other solutions 21:05:38 <andythenorth> ok Horse making time 21:06:59 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 21:07:43 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 21:43:18 <andythenorth> thanks orudge 21:43:21 <andythenorth> also 21:52:40 *** gelignite has quit IRC 22:05:26 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:23:45 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #9827: Feature: Improved finance window https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9827#issuecomment-1071645899 22:27:14 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:30:14 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:46:25 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 23:45:14 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 23:45:28 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd