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09:42:46  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #9093: Feature: [NewGRF] vehicle var 0x4E, 'date of last station departure' https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9093#issuecomment-1200388974
09:42:56  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed pull request #9093: Feature: [NewGRF] vehicle var 0x4E, 'date of last station departure' https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9093
09:50:48  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on discussion #9904: Livery Refit Alternative https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/discussions/9904
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10:00:38  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] frosch123 commented on issue #331: [ru_RU] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/331
10:00:41  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] frosch123 commented on issue #332: [zh_CN] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/332
10:01:20  <Samu> i found a bug in rail station removal
10:01:52  <Samu> it removes the rail too
10:01:52  <TrueBrain> lol @ frosch123 :) That is a nice way of replying :P
10:02:18  <Samu> if i press ctrl-click then it keeps the rail track
10:02:33  <Samu> it should be the other way around
10:03:26  <frosch123> i may have used the same reply before
10:03:32  <frosch123> not sure :)
10:03:47  <TrueBrain> still,2022-07-31T10:28:32  <Samu> also bugged in 12.2
10:37:34  <Samu> hmm, what's the intended direction for converting rail to waypoint?
10:39:04  <Samu> along the axis of the rail? or across
10:46:10  <Samu> whatever...
11:04:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick opened pull request #9961: Fix 6fe445e: Removing rail station parts without ctrl pressed was also removing tracks https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9961
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16:21:54  <frosch123> "63 in progress, 2 skipped, 11 successful, and 1 pending checks" <- i guess there is no such thing as "too many PR checks"
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16:50:09  <TrueBrain> what project are you working on? :P
16:54:01  <frosch123> pybind11 builds for like 3 dozen compilers and platforms
16:54:29  <frosch123> like 10 clang versions, exotic cuda stuff and who knows what
16:55:04  <frosch123> they have a nice bot though. it runs clang-format and black, and pushes the result to the PR
16:55:22  <TrueBrain> that ... is also an option :P
16:55:32  <TrueBrain> "We are done asking people to fix their coding style, we just do it for them!"
16:55:52  <frosch123> https://github.com/marketplace/pre-commit-ci
16:56:26  <TrueBrain> it is not the worst idea
16:56:35  <TrueBrain> having a clang-format for OpenTTD would also really help me :P
16:56:41  <TrueBrain> I am so lazy these days with Python and black
16:56:46  <TrueBrain> I just code .. I run black .. what-ever
17:25:51  <TrueBrain> somehow I am now expecting frosch123 to make a PR to add that pre-commit-ci to OpenTTD :P Including a clang-format that is "good enough" :P
17:25:57  <TrueBrain> just imagine how much less blabla that gives on PRs ....
17:31:39  <frosch123> i think most of our review blabla is about commit messages
17:31:43  <frosch123> and the bot does not fix those
17:31:55  <TrueBrain> I stopped commenting on that, and just fix it on squash
17:31:59  <TrueBrain> a lot more practical
17:32:09  <TrueBrain> on my own repos I have enabled that during squash the title of the PR wins
17:32:16  <TrueBrain> so I just fix the PR title to be what I want it to be
17:32:19  <TrueBrain> and fuck commit messages :P
17:32:39  <frosch123> but what about the 5 page monologues?
17:32:56  <TrueBrain> only when you and I write those, those are worth preserving :P
17:33:25  <frosch123> pff, i almost never write monologues
17:33:31  <frosch123> it's mostly truemonologues
17:33:32  <TrueBrain> I do, a lot :P
17:33:35  <TrueBrain> :D
17:33:42  <TrueBrain> you can't say my intentions aren't clear!
18:48:29  <TrueBrain> I was looking into porting TrueGRF-rs (the compiler) to C++ .. but C++ to WASM is still meh
18:48:41  <TrueBrain> Rust has all this infrastructure for it .. C++ .. "nah, you can do it yourself)
18:48:41  <TrueBrain> sad :P
18:49:13  <frosch123> carbon is the hype of the month
18:49:19  <TrueBrain> so I have read
18:49:53  <frosch123> so the "hype" part worked :)
18:49:57  <TrueBrain> yeah
18:50:18  <TrueBrain> Google ... one thing they know how to do :P
18:50:53  <TrueBrain> I love how it got announced as "What is TypeScript to JavaScript"
18:51:09  <TrueBrain> like .. wow .. don't be shy now
18:51:22  <frosch123> i wondered whether go is uncool now
18:52:29  <TrueBrain> I also like it said it is like what Kotlin is to Java
18:52:32  <TrueBrain> and I was like: wtf is Kotlin?
18:52:47  <TrueBrain> so we will see :)
18:52:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/b7462934e23683e31baf2f20250d1ad817c728a0
18:52:52  <DorpsGek>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
18:54:39  <frosch123> kotlin to jave is like c++11 to c++98
18:54:56  <TrueBrain> I don't do Java, but I never before read about Kotlin
18:55:00  <TrueBrain> which is funny to me :P
18:55:05  <frosch123> java is on the cobol/pl1 track now
18:55:29  <frosch123> hmm, good point, i do not do java either, still i heard about kotlin
18:56:14  <TrueBrain> must be my bubble :P
18:56:25  <TrueBrain> I do wonder if C++20 modules are going to give what is crates to Rust
18:56:35  <TrueBrain> it is so easy to "just install a crate" to get support for NNN in Rust
18:56:42  <TrueBrain> especially because of its trait system
18:57:00  <frosch123> i wonder whether modules become usable before 2030 :)
18:57:02  <TrueBrain> been designing embedded systems lately in Rust .. it was shocking how quickly I could get that working .. where in C++ it takes .. more effort :P
18:57:27  <TrueBrain> vcpkg is a nice start, but still too ... meh
18:57:47  <frosch123> modules are no package manger
18:58:05  <TrueBrain> I know
18:58:31  <frosch123> the c++ package manager which is most hyped, but is not big-corporation-backed like vcpkg, is conan
18:58:50  <frosch123> i never used conan, but there is at least one talk about it being cool at every cppcon
18:59:12  <frosch123> https://conan.io/
18:59:29  <TrueBrain> euh ... I instantly dislike that site :P
18:59:37  <TrueBrain> I tried to search something, which took me a bit to find
18:59:42  <TrueBrain> and there are no matches
18:59:45  <TrueBrain> but .. it doesn't actually say that
19:00:19  <TrueBrain> those "fancy" pages, missing the idea of actually being functional :P
19:00:40  <TrueBrain> anyway, Rust crates are modules and package manager in one
19:00:53  <TrueBrain> what I like is that it is very easy to create one
19:01:00  <TrueBrain> without having to create endless headers and blablablabla
19:01:52  <TrueBrain> we will see where C++ ends up .. but it means no TrueGRF compiler in C++ for now :P
19:02:10  <frosch123> if you switch to python, you can use nml again :p
19:02:22  <TrueBrain> Python's WASM support is even worse
19:02:36  <TrueBrain> it is what I originally planned to use
19:02:51  <TrueBrain> but it is at least 4MB, as it just emscript-like compiles the Python interperter
19:03:23  <frosch123> hmm, i guess i missed it, but why do you want to stop using rust again?
19:03:27  <TrueBrain> in my original draft, TrueGRF used NML as backend, and TrueGRF just generated NML
19:03:29  <TrueBrain> but yeah ...
19:03:35  <TrueBrain> I don't want to stop using Rust
19:03:54  <TrueBrain> it is just that TrueGRF being in 2 languages none of you guys know how to write
19:04:03  <TrueBrain> doesn't help asking for help :P
19:04:06  <TrueBrain> (Rust and Svelte)
19:04:20  <frosch123> 3, you forgot "grf" :p
19:04:43  <TrueBrain> I said: none of you guys know :P
19:08:20  <frosch123> ok, so essentially you say: we should learn rust
19:08:27  <TrueBrain> that is the alternative :P
19:09:02  <frosch123> i don't think you can get anyone interested in js or gui frameworks though :p
19:09:23  <TrueBrain> I am afraid of the same :D
19:09:43  <TrueBrain> worst part about Rust, I am also not a Rust programmer .. so the project has some weird quirks :P
19:09:46  <TrueBrain> it is all shit, basically
19:09:57  <frosch123> i assumed copilot wrote most of it?
19:10:20  <TrueBrain> it helped finding syntax for sure, yes :)
19:14:59  <TrueBrain> owh well, maybe next week I find some time and energy to finally do stations :)
19:15:01  <TrueBrain> would be fun :)
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20:23:25  <Samu> omg, the estimate multiplier is such a saviour
20:23:37  <Samu> whoever came up with that is pure genius
20:26:47  <Samu> turns my otherwise slow as hell pf into a super fast pf
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20:30:21  <Samu> a rail route with about 860 distance manhattan, with a path found in the same year it started!
20:30:30  <Samu> amazing
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