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00:59:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm leaning towards "yes" on tunnel speed limits, if you can set them for NewGRF tunnels, but the default tunnel doesn't have it. 01:00:01 <Eddi|zuHause> modern tunnels go through great length to have trains entering at high speeds 01:03:58 <debdog> and they have signals 01:07:42 <Eddi|zuHause> different topic :p 01:10:26 <debdog> twue 01:10:49 <peter1138> new map array? 01:48:22 <Eddi|zuHause> that's also something michicc wanted to do :p 02:04:39 *** herms has quit IRC 02:05:24 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 02:05:41 *** herms has joined #openttd 02:22:02 *** Flygon has quit IRC 02:24:14 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 02:27:50 *** debdog has quit IRC 03:31:55 *** keikoz has joined #openttd 04:16:33 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 04:16:33 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 04:23:17 *** tokai has quit IRC 05:05:56 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] YellowOnion commented on issue #11048: [Bug]: Sound non-functional in nightly linux-generic builds https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/11048 05:52:52 <pickpacket> talltyler: 😂 I appreciate the review regardless of reason! I found the ”knives to children” argument very entertaining. 05:59:59 <pickpacket> I’m not sure I understand this one fully: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10596 06:00:15 <LordAro> hmm 06:00:34 <LordAro> office VPN dropped out about 18:30 yesterday, and hasn't come back 06:00:38 <pickpacket> ” This PR smoothly scales time factor to 1/16 after it reaches the previous min time factor of 31. Payments with time factor above 31 stay exactly the same” …? 06:00:40 <LordAro> that's going to be an issue 06:01:02 <pickpacket> LordAro: does it mean you can’t work? 06:01:55 <LordAro> it probably means i'm going to have to go to the office to fix it 06:02:23 <pickpacket> talltyler: which documentation are you referring to, btw? 07:10:54 <brickblock19280> Eddi|zuHause: This is what I was thinking originally 07:11:17 <locosage> pickpacket: Just look at the charts 07:17:11 <pickpacket> locosage: I understand the consequence, I just don’t understand the technical description 😄 07:18:37 <pickpacket> I am very ambivalent about it, tbh. On the one hand it’s logical. On the other hand my strat is based on those really long distances 07:19:05 <pickpacket> I’d be similarily ambivalent about giving boats a collision box 07:42:32 <sittinbythefire> brickblock19280: I agree 100% with Eddi on this, NewGRF authors will want to be able to set their own speed limits, so it's probably best to include that functionality from the outset, but that shouldn't affect the default tunnels 07:52:26 <alfagamma_0007> Road speed limits affect tunnel speeds too , I think??? 07:53:21 <peter1138> std::min() 07:53:29 <brickblock19280> yes tunnel currently don't have a limit 07:53:56 <alfagamma_0007> Ah 08:02:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain opened pull request #135: Change: [CI] udpate to reusing workflow https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server-web/pull/135 08:05:47 <locosage> pickpacket: technically it talks about this time factor: <https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/src/economy.cpp#L1028> and MIN_TIME_FACTOR 08:08:47 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain merged pull request #135: Change: [CI] udpate to reusing workflow https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server-web/pull/135 08:09:59 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain opened pull request #136: Upgrade: bump all dependencies to latest https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server-web/pull/136 08:16:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #277: Change: [CI] update to reusing workflow https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server/pull/277 08:19:19 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain updated pull request #136: Upgrade: bump all dependencies to latest https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server-web/pull/136 08:23:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #277: Change: [CI] update to reusing workflow https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server/pull/277 08:25:11 <brickblock19280> any reason this doesn't work even when this works 08:25:13 <brickblock19280> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126066239060590642/image.png 08:25:21 <brickblock19280> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126066273273516052/image.png 08:25:47 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #278: Upgrade: bump all dependencies to latest https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server/pull/278 08:29:37 <truebrain> brickblock19280: hard to tell without more information 🙂 For example, why it adds the wiggly red line there 🙂 08:36:08 <LordAro> you'll all be pleased to know that the server room got too hot and turned the (hosts with the) domain controllers off 08:36:21 <LordAro> so DNS & auth stopped working 08:37:01 <LordAro> you would think that 27C would be a sufficient thermal cut off, but apparently not 08:37:20 <truebrain> haha .. "oops" 😄 08:37:54 <LordAro> we did just finish converting all our build servers to be gitlab runners, coincidentally 08:45:59 <brickblock19280> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126071466664931379/image.png 08:45:59 <brickblock19280> truebrain: Fair enough this is what shows up when I hover over it 08:46:17 <brickblock19280> but it doesn't make sense to me since the other one works 08:46:26 <truebrain> so another `GetTunnelType` already exists 08:46:35 <truebrain> and it doesn't return `TunnelType` 08:47:11 <truebrain> it basically is telling you that you cannot define two `GetTunnelType` where only the return value is different 08:47:19 <truebrain> in this case, having a second one is most likely not your intention 08:47:28 <truebrain> so grep through the code to find the other declaration 🙂 08:56:11 <brickblock19280> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126074032022884382/image.png 08:56:11 <brickblock19280> these are the only ones tho 08:58:56 <brickblock19280> and those other ones are clearly referancing it 08:59:45 <truebrain> what can I tell you .. that is what the error indicate 🙂 Without access to the code, it will be really difficult to help you 🙂 09:00:02 <brickblock19280> https://github.com/search?q=repo%3ABrickblock1%2FOpenTTD%20gettunneltype&type=code 09:00:10 <truebrain> sometimes it helps to compile the code; compilers can give better errors then VSCode can, in some cases 09:00:54 <peter1138> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126075222240542741/image.png 09:00:54 <peter1138> Cursed 09:02:36 <peter1138> TTD graphics is even more curseder. FS_LARGE is quite wide. 09:03:23 <LordAro> nice 09:04:29 <truebrain> brickblock19280: I think if you run the compiler over it, it will give you a more clear error, as I think `TunnelType` is undefined in `tunnel_map.h`. At least, you are not including the header with the type .. so that is a bit fishy 09:06:05 <brickblock19280> that would probably explain it seems that some of the includes was diffrent between the tunnel_map.h and bridge_map.h 09:07:12 <brickblock19280> thx dor the all the help 🙂 09:07:19 <truebrain> no worries 09:11:21 <peter1138> LordAro: probably doesn't make sense to do this, but I need the FS_PREVIEW slot to be able to show all the 4 different sprite fonts -- or just disable preview if the sprite font is in use. 09:12:11 <peter1138> Although switching FS_SMALL to FS_NORMAL might have a use-case, mind you, but if there's s font chooser that case is smaller. 09:12:56 <truebrain> oops ... broke the NLB ... let's fix that real quick 😄 09:13:00 <truebrain> generating configuration can be hard yo 09:13:39 <truebrain> there we go! 09:17:16 <truebrain> now doing the same trick for all HTTP traffic .... 09:17:34 <truebrain> and there I failed too 😛 09:17:36 <truebrain> this is such a good morning 09:18:03 <truebrain> there we go 09:21:21 <truebrain> right, now to test old OpenTTD servers, see if they can register etc ... will be interesting 09:21:36 <truebrain> as I have no idea how to actually test that, given I cannot actually open an UDP port from outside 09:34:46 <truebrain> yippie, managed to do port forwarding at home .. I am so proud (on myself) 😄 09:34:54 <truebrain> on? of? what-ever 09:35:12 <truebrain> and I can tell, it is not working 😛 09:37:28 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #278: Upgrade: bump all dependencies to latest https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server/pull/278 09:42:31 <truebrain> hmm ... PacketInvalidSize exceptions .. 09:42:35 <truebrain> that aint good 09:45:57 <truebrain> hmm .. proxy protocol issues .. joy! 😄 09:47:35 <truebrain> haha, sometimes I find these gems in code I wrote ages ago, which are just plain bad 😛 09:47:37 <truebrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server/blob/main/master_server/openttd/udp.py#L55 09:47:51 <truebrain> hard-coding that proxy-protocol only works from a `10.` IP address .... 😄 09:51:44 <peter1138> Simplified access control 09:52:16 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #280: Fix: assume that if proxy-protocol is enabled, all connections use it https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server/pull/280 09:52:55 <truebrain> not 100% sure why I added the statement, but I am now sure the firewalls would prevent wrong connections to be made to start with .. so it "should be fine" 😛 09:53:54 <peter1138> Hmm, RouterOS 7.10 has a big changelog. 09:54:07 <truebrain> is that good? bad? unknown? 😛 09:55:00 <peter1138> Well... good, it's software that actually gets updates... 09:55:35 <truebrain> but if it is a fat list of: removed NNN, removed MMM, they are just the plague 09:57:43 <peter1138> Removed: bugs 09:58:00 <peter1138> *) ipsec - removed "ec2n185" and "ec2n155" values from proposal configurations; 09:58:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain updated pull request #280: Fix: assume that if proxy-protocol is enabled, all connections use it https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server/pull/280 09:58:12 <peter1138> 3 removed lines ;D 09:58:23 <truebrain> how dare they! 09:58:24 <truebrain> 😄 09:58:30 <peter1138> Out of 152 lines. 09:58:53 <peter1138> I don't need to run BGP on my home router but it's good to know it's getting fixes if I ever did want to. 09:59:07 <truebrain> BGP on your home router ... yeah .... 😛 09:59:22 <LordAro> :D 09:59:57 <LordAro> a friend of mine has a routable AS number, which I think is to their home 10:01:25 <truebrain> because, why not! 10:01:26 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #280: Fix: assume that if proxy-protocol is enabled, all connections use it https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server/pull/280 10:01:32 <peter1138> They probably also use A&A... 10:01:51 <LordAro> i do believe they do :D 10:05:17 <truebrain> `dbg: [net] [udp] advertising to master server` 10:05:18 <truebrain> w00p! 10:05:34 <truebrain> queried from works ... but then it still fails 10:05:35 <truebrain> hmm 10:05:45 <truebrain> so something is not fully correct yet .. I forgot how annoying the UDP stuff was 😛 10:06:55 <truebrain> so the master-server can query the server .. but either the response gets lost, or something else is going on .. hmm 10:07:04 <peter1138> Hmm, hunger. 10:09:23 <truebrain> ooowhhhh, that was why that line was there 10:09:33 <truebrain> wauw ... euh, yes ... I remember, and it is a shitty solution 10:10:33 <peter1138> Uh oh. 10:10:59 <truebrain> because these machines are firewalls to hell and back, the only way to make an UDP query is via a SOCKS proxy 10:11:12 <truebrain> but the response doesn't contain a proxy-protocol header ofc, as .. well .. it is SOCKS 10:12:30 <truebrain> hmm ... I really don't want to recompile an old OpenTTD, but it seems I kinda have to .. can I avoid it somehow ... 10:12:42 <truebrain> (I need to change the port it uses to contact the master-server) 10:13:36 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #281: Fix: when a connection is to the SOCKS proxy, never assume a proxy-protocol header https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server/pull/281 10:14:00 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain updated pull request #281: Fix: when a connection is to the SOCKS proxy, never assume a proxy-protocol header https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server/pull/281 10:14:15 <truebrain> see, that is a more sensible solution to the problem .. what was I thinking, using IP address ... 10:15:50 <truebrain> just how am I going to test it before I merge ... hmmmmmmm 10:29:18 <truebrain> meh; can't really find any, so .. YOLO! 10:29:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #281: Fix: when a connection is to the SOCKS proxy, never assume a proxy-protocol header https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server/pull/281 10:34:00 <truebrain> yeah, that was a failure ... 10:36:23 <LordAro> "everyone has a production environment. some people are lucky enough to have a staging environment too" 10:36:39 <truebrain> I have a staging! But .. I am too lazy to modify a 1.11 for Windows 😛 10:36:44 <truebrain> but I just might need to, after lunch .. 10:39:25 <truebrain> ooowwwhhh, I see what dirty stuff I did ... yeah, okay, makes sense this doesn't work 10:39:36 <truebrain> ugh, okay, lunch, modify 1.11, and do some actual testing on preview 😛 10:41:19 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #282: Fix 4ca1fb4b: properly fix not assuming proxy-protocol for SOCKS traffic https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server/pull/282 10:53:41 <locosage> newgrf terminology is quite confusing 10:53:46 <locosage> real/pseudo sprites 10:53:55 <locosage> is there some good way to call both? 11:02:58 <pickpacket> locosage: thanks! I’ll have a look at the code 🙂 11:04:00 <pickpacket> I’ll probably end up doing some spreadsheets and shit to optimize my strat as a response to this 😂 11:08:54 <truebrain> `dbg: [net] [udp] advertising on master server successful (IPv4)` w00p! 11:09:33 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #282: Fix 4ca1fb4b: properly fix not assuming proxy-protocol for SOCKS traffic https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server/pull/282 11:09:44 *** D-HUND is now known as debdog 11:16:34 <locosage> pickpacket: citymania charts should be better than spreadsheets though 11:16:48 <locosage> as it calculates acceleration 11:17:42 <locosage> also, unless your strats involve routes that take longer than a year they're unlikely to be affected 11:21:46 <truebrain> okay, invite-codes are also retained .. nice! Now all that is left, is the web interface for server listing 😄 11:21:50 <pickpacket> locosage: longer than a year??? No, I don’t have routes that long 😂 how big does the map have to be for that? 11:22:32 <locosage> well, apparently not that long if you're using slow ships xD 11:22:45 <locosage> but for maglev it's basically unreachable, yeah 11:23:29 <locosage> well, irrelevant would be a better word I guess, as you can still move it in circles in theory xD 11:26:50 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 11:37:47 <truebrain> https://servers-preview.openttd.org IT IS WORKING! \o/ 😄 11:42:46 <truebrain> and even 1.11.2 shows up, nice. That means I think I am ready to flip the switch 11:42:55 <truebrain> which will disrupt multiplayer for a bit of time, but .. yeah .. little I can do about that 11:43:57 <truebrain> so I guess ... no time like the present or something? 11:46:25 <locosage> well, techically the best time is around 4-6 am utc 😜 11:50:30 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain merged pull request #136: Upgrade: bump all dependencies to latest https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server-web/pull/136 11:53:45 <truebrain> lol, that migration went a lot quicker and smoother than I expected .. 11:54:06 <truebrain> crazy how fast it re-establishes normality 🙂 12:01:48 <truebrain> right, I think I can disable most of the old infra now .. but hard to tell if I am right 😄 12:04:46 <truebrain> all that is left is a bunch of static content, like redirect domains and other stuff .. but those are far less important to migrate (they cost far less) 12:05:35 <locosage> truebrain: api seems dead 12:05:37 <locosage> <https://api.master.openttd.org/server> 12:05:44 <truebrain> yes, new user: servers-api.openttd.org 12:09:18 <truebrain> okay, shut down all EC2 instances that shouldn't be needed anymore .. we will see if that is actually true 🙂 12:10:32 <truebrain> https://www.openttd.org/security 12:10:32 <truebrain> Someone broke the styling!! 😛 12:19:51 <LordAro> :o 13:08:25 <peter1138> Hmm, I could do with a PoE switch now. 13:16:28 <_glx_> <https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/compare/master...glx22:OpenTTD:bootstrap_emscripten> seems to work, but there's one annoying thing, after downloading it exits and you need to reload the page 13:23:50 <truebrain> should be solvable too 😛 13:25:19 <_glx_> it's because bootstrap runs a temporary video loop 13:26:03 <_glx_> I'll PR a draft with preview label 13:26:18 <truebrain> btw, you can remove the syncfs lines on 31 - 34 too 13:26:19 *** Kitrana1 has quit IRC 13:26:36 <truebrain> and you can remove the whole postRun 13:29:06 *** Kitrana1 has joined #openttd 13:29:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #11109: Add: [Emscripten] support for bootstrapping https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11109 13:29:54 <_glx_> no, I tried with them and it bootstrap each time 13:31:11 <_glx_> line 32 is to load current saved filesystem 13:31:18 <truebrain> the postRun code is deadcode now, as `openttd_downlaoded_opengfx` is never set 13:32:12 <truebrain> anyway, https://github.com/glx22/OpenTTD/blob/5db4473ae8e6d78fe9909b0d4b1095914d4d49cf/src/video/sdl2_v.cpp#L602 is what you run into with `_exit_game` 13:32:29 <truebrain> Emscripten works a bit different from other drivers, as that the Browser is telling when a next tick happens 13:32:37 <truebrain> this is also why fast-forward can't go above what-ever-the-browser-is-refreshing-us-at 13:33:12 <_glx_> yeah I tried skipping this in bootstrap case, but that didn't end well 13:33:25 <truebrain> nope, as you end up with 2 "main" loops of sorts 😛 13:35:23 <_glx_> anyway reloading the page after first start is a minor issue 13:35:49 <truebrain> well, needs to be resolved before the PR can be merged, so depends how you define "minor" 😄 13:38:41 <_glx_> hmm should be possible to autoreload the page after bootstrap exit 13:38:55 <truebrain> sure, just make a javascript function and call it 🙂 13:41:58 <truebrain> you can even show a message why it is reloading, if you like 🙂 13:46:49 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 13:51:27 <_glx_> of course when testing the preview the indexed DB needs to be cleaned first, else it will still use 0.6.0 or any other updated version downloaded via content download 13:52:07 <truebrain> as intended 13:52:10 <truebrain> it is just so it can load the game 🙂 13:52:55 <_glx_> yeah bootstrap is the last resort fallback 13:58:22 <truebrain> and if I can remove this weird exception I now have in the infra for emscripten, that would be lovely 🙂 More things the same == better 😄 14:01:55 <truebrain> There was a domain `install.cdn.openttd.org`, which was meant to migrate the NSIS installer to; but from what I can tell, we removed it before we migrated to there 14:02:25 <truebrain> so I dropped that domain .. possibly some installers out there will no longer automatically download OpenGFX .. but the last version we did that was in 1.10, after which we switched to bootstrap 14:02:39 <truebrain> just something to be aware of, when someone complaints about it or what-ever 14:03:01 <truebrain> (and in case you wonder why, Cloudflare doesn't allow certificates on domains like "a.b.openttd.org", only on "a.openttd.org" .. so I had to change some domains around, sadly) 14:04:53 <orudge> Did you just log into OVH, truebrain? 14:05:01 <truebrain> I am trying to 14:05:01 <orudge> If not we have an intruder :P 14:05:08 <truebrain> it should send me an email with a code, but I am not getting it 😄 14:05:15 <orudge> Ah 14:05:28 <truebrain> `Please enter the code you received by email` .. WELL, GIVE ME THE EMAIL 😛 14:05:31 <truebrain> but you did get an email? 🙂 14:05:49 <orudge> Yes but not with a code 14:05:55 <truebrain> rude 14:06:09 <orudge> Going to school pickup now but cna try to help when I'm back :) 14:06:15 <truebrain> No worries, tnx 🙂 14:06:50 <_glx_> "please validate the cancelling of this payment in your bank app" 14:07:34 <truebrain> I wanted to know how long the contract of these VPSes was going, and if I could shut them down from the management panel ... but it seems verification emails are not making their way into the mailbox 😛 14:09:02 <truebrain> not sure this is in the UK panel or the DE panel, but both claim they are sending me emails ... lol 14:09:24 <_glx_> try the french one 😉 14:09:57 <truebrain> ah, with 6 minute delay, the webmail client gives me the "someone tried to login to the account" .. so at least something is arriving 😛 14:10:28 <truebrain> `go to your control panel:&url.managerv6.` .. someone made a template error 😛 14:12:05 <truebrain> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126153533411045506/image.png 14:12:06 <truebrain> simple, elegant, to the point 14:13:58 <truebrain> nowhere a possibility to shut down the VPS 14:14:03 <truebrain> that is just a bit sad 😛 14:14:44 <_glx_> ok auto reload works 14:14:50 <truebrain> OVH hasn't gotten any better, dashboard-wise, over the years .. so weird 14:15:03 <_glx_> just need to add a message telling it's getting a baseset and will reload 14:15:12 <truebrain> yup 14:15:19 <truebrain> plenty of examples how to show something like that already in the code 🙂 14:15:25 <_glx_> yeah yeah 14:23:40 <truebrain> oeh, maybe tonight I change dependabot on all repos to monthly grouped PR .. that will be nice ... 14:24:56 <_glx_> oh yeah 14:25:25 <_glx_> less flood in the notifications 14:25:32 <truebrain> and easier things to merge 14:25:36 <truebrain> especially now with the preview label 14:25:51 <truebrain> once a month, slap that preview label on it, wait a bit, and check if things actually work 14:35:39 <truebrain> looking through our AWS bill .. and one thing I did not consider .. via Cloudflare you connect to either of the 3 Availability Zones we have a node running in on AWS. Now it can be that the service is on another node, so on another AZ. AWS bills you for this. So basically: traffic enters at AZ1, is forwarded to AZ2, and we pay for that. 14:35:58 <truebrain> I wonder if there is a clever way to avoid that .. and make cloudflare fine the right node directly .. hmm 14:37:49 <truebrain> we used to do ~470GB per month outgoing traffic from AWS .. now after 5 days we are at 30GB .. so we will end up somewhere around 200GB .. that is a very big reduction 🙂 14:39:51 <truebrain> sadly, VERY difficult to see what is actually using that bandwidth in AWS billing .. as I am rather curious what that is 🙂 14:50:04 <_glx_> so aws ask money for data moving "inside" aws ? 14:50:10 <truebrain> yup 14:50:14 <truebrain> a lot less than outside, mind you 14:50:16 <_glx_> they are crazy 14:50:17 <truebrain> but they charge for everything 14:50:47 <truebrain> for example, want to see some metrics how your systems are doing? SURE! It will cost you NNN 14:51:08 <truebrain> I now moved redis from managed to inside the cluster .. consumed 5 (!) MB of RAM .. it costs 15 dollar on AWS .. I just can't explain why .. 14:51:31 <_glx_> I think most providers are happy when data is moved internally because they don't have to pay peering 14:51:52 <truebrain> a provider as AWS has so many peers in general, I doubt they ever pay for any transit traffic 14:52:01 <truebrain> so I think most of the bandwidth money is pure profit for them 14:52:09 <truebrain> sure, they have a bit of hardware costs and people maintaining that 14:52:18 <truebrain> but I think it is still a huge part of their profit 14:52:41 <truebrain> there is a reason Cloudflare says: egress is free 14:52:50 <truebrain> as they too have so many peerings, they don't actually pay (that much) for it 14:54:13 <truebrain> tomorrow I hope to move all the redirect domains etc that we have .. then I can shut down the ALB ... which costs 30 dollar a month .. Cloudflare costs 20 dollar a month, and it includes all this stuff .. 14:54:22 <orudge> In other news, trying to migrate a 2GB mailbox into Google Workspace for a client; the import has been going for 24 hours(!) so far and is still only 74% complete. But of course if you use imapsync they throttle that too. :( 14:54:25 <truebrain> but, in fairness, 4 years ago AWS was the best you could get for that price 😛 14:54:40 <truebrain> orudge: 😮 😮 14:54:41 <truebrain> lol 14:55:19 <truebrain> orudge: next month or so we can cancel the VPS subscription as far as I am concerned. I shut down all services, but couldn't find how to actually shut down the VPS 😛 But if after a month everything still runs smoothly, it means I did my work properly, and we can just cancel them 14:55:26 <truebrain> but I will send you an email about that when that days gets here 🙂 14:55:39 <orudge> truebrain: OK, sounds good. I can't remember how long is left on them either, would need to log in to check the latest invoice I guess 14:55:47 <truebrain> December 14:55:56 <orudge> OK 14:56:04 <truebrain> I checked; one of the reasons I wanted to login (and succeeded in the end 😛 ) 14:56:53 <truebrain> and if I can get everything done this week I hope to, the AWS bill should be at least 100 dollar less than that of May 🙂 14:57:13 <truebrain> wasn't really the goal .. but more that I am just done with the insane prices AWS (still) charges 😛 14:58:00 <orudge> So after this are we going from 0-ish a month for AWS + £115/year for OVH to... /month ish for Cloudflare? 14:58:34 <truebrain> Cloudflare will be 20 (Pro) + 5 (Paid workers) + ~2 (R2 storage costs) 14:58:39 <truebrain> rough estimation 14:58:41 <orudge> OK 14:58:57 <truebrain> AWS will still be 80 + 20 + bits and pieces + bandwidth 14:58:58 <orudge> Still a good saving :D 14:58:59 <orudge> Right 14:59:07 <truebrain> but at least far less than the 280 🙂 14:59:14 <orudge> Yep 14:59:28 <truebrain> and, everything should be quicker for the end-user! 🙂 14:59:35 <orudge> Nice one 15:00:12 <truebrain> of all traffic, 20% is cached 15:00:26 <truebrain> of all requests 15:00:34 <truebrain> of the traffic, it is 60% 15:01:00 <orudge> Well then we should still have around 18 months of usage covered by the money in the kitty at the new rates, versus around 10-12 months at the current rates :) 15:01:08 <truebrain> why you ask? Well, most of the CDN traffic is cached 😛 Things like wiki is less cached 🙂 15:01:39 <truebrain> orudge: that isn't bad! Excluding donations that will come? 15:02:40 <truebrain> 40% of BaNaNaS requests are cached, and 60% of the bandwidth comes from cache 🙂 For context, cache here means that a local Point of Presence served the file .. which should be REALLY quick 🙂 15:03:10 <truebrain> 80% of CDN (our releases etc) is cached 🙂 15:03:11 <orudge> truebrain: Yes, excluding any future donations (there are a couple of recurring donations, but mostly it's one-offs) 15:03:11 <truebrain> haha 15:03:14 <truebrain> I love Cloudflare 🙂 15:03:30 <truebrain> orudge: so the 18 months will become 24, 32, ... 😛 15:03:30 <orudge> and there are some other costs that will come up, I think the code signing certificate is due next year or the year after, can't quite remember which 15:03:31 <truebrain> 😄 15:03:42 <LordAro> woop 15:03:53 <orudge> but yes, we should be in good shape 15:03:53 <truebrain> let's see, if we go below 6 months we do a fundraiser? 15:04:06 <orudge> Probably... it's been a long time since we've needed to though! 15:04:18 <truebrain> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126166673502785596/image.png 15:04:18 <truebrain> CDN usage of last 5 days 15:04:39 <alfagamma_0007> Why the sudden attention? 15:04:48 <truebrain> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126166798648213595/image.png 15:04:48 <truebrain> BaNaNaS CDN usage of last 7 days 15:04:55 <truebrain> sllluuurrrrpppppp 15:05:12 <truebrain> orudge: let's see if this reduction means we still won't need it for the next few years 😄 15:05:28 <_glx_> too many abase/zbase in these 717GB I guess 15:05:51 <truebrain> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126167065145909339/image.png 15:05:51 <truebrain> Top 2 15:06:32 <truebrain> this btw is statistics .. they sample ~20% of the traffic and extrapolate 15:06:41 <truebrain> but we push enough requests through to make that valid 🙂 15:06:52 <truebrain> (200+k downloads per week goes through BaNaNaS) 15:07:02 <_glx_> still too much ugly huge basesets 15:07:10 <alfagamma_0007> Correct 15:07:56 <truebrain> zBase is downloaded 25% less than OpenGFX 15:08:00 <truebrain> we have that going for us 😛 15:08:07 <truebrain> but worded differently, 1 out of 4 people download zBase 15:08:14 <_glx_> hmm an option could be to put both in store installed 15:08:37 <truebrain> so clearly there is something about 32bpp that appeals to people 🙂 15:08:49 *** merni has joined #openttd 15:08:49 <merni> _glx_: that'd increase the size of install though 15:08:54 <_glx_> most just do what they saw in tutorials 15:09:16 <merni> one of the joys of openttd is how it doesn't take 10 million hours to download on slow internet 15:09:28 <truebrain> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126167972600352769/image.png 15:09:28 <truebrain> and just because I love graphs: 15:09:34 <_glx_> it's a one time download on steam 15:09:45 <truebrain> all our requests that hit Cloudflare in the last week, over all of openttd.org that I migrated so far 15:09:47 <_glx_> data package is separated for game package 15:10:21 <orudge> FWIW OpenGFX/SFX/MSX is included in the Windows Store package, but not any of the *Base GRFs 15:10:22 <truebrain> _glx_: we could, yes. But now it is on Cloudflare, I also don't really care anymore, I have to say 😛 15:10:27 <merni> truebrain: what happened with the US on 2nd and with Netherlands today 🤔 15:10:32 <truebrain> orudge: same for Steam and GOG 15:11:19 <truebrain> owh, the Netherland line .. that is when I am operating the backend ... we use Nomad, and that uses A LOT OF REQUESTS .. 15:11:26 <truebrain> so I alone tot 60k requests in the last week 😛 15:11:35 <merni> Ban TrueBrain for DDOS 15:11:57 <truebrain> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126168597836857495/image.png 15:11:57 <truebrain> here, without me 🙂 15:12:18 <merni> US spike is still weird though 15:12:26 <truebrain> it is funny how you see the US offset from the EU 🙂 15:12:50 <merni> yeah if there were some more asian countries that would be even more interesting 15:12:57 <merni> maybe I should get to translating some more strings 15:13:44 <truebrain> spike was on our CDN 15:13:57 <truebrain> not in bandwidth, just in requests 15:13:58 <_glx_> pff one typo and a rebuild is needed 15:14:14 <truebrain> Java/1.8.0_332 15:14:18 <truebrain> so someone was having fun 15:14:26 <truebrain> 90% of those requests were 403s 😛 15:16:14 <truebrain> 12k firewall events 😛 15:16:24 <truebrain> someone found out we now run a WAF 😛 15:16:48 <truebrain> yeah, that whole spike, all blocked requests 😄 15:17:18 <truebrain> they got presented a Browser integrity check, which they didn't do anything with 😛 15:17:23 <truebrain> happens if you use shitty user-agents 15:17:36 <truebrain> all HEAD requests .. so a spider 🙂 15:17:51 <truebrain> always fun, to drill down into a spike ... even more fun: I now can, free of charge! 15:17:58 <truebrain> with AWS that would costs ~15 dollar per month (no joke) 15:18:15 <_glx_> just to check a log ? 15:18:27 <truebrain> no, to see graphs, and drill down in it 15:18:39 <truebrain> Cloudflare has a very nice analytic tool, which is even privacy friendly 15:18:57 <truebrain> and you can filter it how ever you want to 🙂 15:21:17 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:22:43 <merni> Okay, so 15:22:43 <merni> > {BLACK}Search content not available on OpenTTD's content service on websites not associated to OpenTTD 15:22:43 <merni> This is a button to search the content not available on Bananas, right? Not an error message of some kind? 15:23:12 <merni> nvm, I should have looked at the string name, it has TOOLTIP in it 15:25:35 <merni> it is only when you start translating that you realise how weird the use of "content" in the software/social media age is 15:25:53 <merni> meaning just "things" rather than "things within something else" 15:39:31 <_glx_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126175534687199254/image.png 15:39:31 <_glx_> something is overwriting my window 15:39:56 <LordAro> ghosts in the machine 15:41:20 <ahyangyi> merni: Ah, I thought that just means "thing within the form", where the form is some abstract metaphysical container 15:41:44 <merni> lmao what 15:46:25 <_glx_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126177270713827358/image.png 15:46:25 <_glx_> ah it's this stuff (generated by cmake) 15:57:50 <_glx_> annoying 15:59:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:04:00 <truebrain> Make a window on top of it! 😛 16:04:31 <truebrain> Or redeclare setStatus 😄 16:04:33 <_glx_> I went to skip setStatus if canvas is hidden 16:04:41 <truebrain> So theirs doesn't do anything anymore 😛 16:04:55 <_glx_> but setStatus is defined by us 16:06:15 <_glx_> now building again to test 16:07:14 <_glx_> the issue here was the timeout to erase "Running..." 16:33:45 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 updated pull request #11109: Add: [Emscripten] support for bootstrapping https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11109 16:48:40 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #11109: Add: [Emscripten] support for bootstrapping https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11109#pullrequestreview-1514946529 16:50:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #11109: Add: [Emscripten] support for bootstrapping https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11109#pullrequestreview-1514948467 16:50:57 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #11109: Add: [Emscripten] support for bootstrapping https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11109#pullrequestreview-1514949837 16:57:21 *** kstar892[m] has quit IRC 17:03:11 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #11109: Add: [Emscripten] support for bootstrapping https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11109#pullrequestreview-1514955741 17:03:50 <peter1138> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126196754774229042/image.png 17:03:50 <peter1138> Such orange 17:04:27 <truebrain> _glx_: : for that last comment, this is what all these timeouts are for, to make sure things are updated 🙂 17:04:45 <_glx_> ah seems I had some issues with the preview, it downloaded and reloaded 5 times 17:05:51 <truebrain> And weird that we don't have an onfailure .. we have that all over the place 😛 I wonder how it handles errors now .. 17:06:41 <_glx_> I can see OnFailure for HTTP, but I think it's the only place 17:07:10 <truebrain> No, the content handler is also informed on issues, so it can try other methods or inform the user 17:07:45 <_glx_> this->OnDownloadProgress(this->curInfo, -1); <-- socket OnFailure does that 17:08:06 <_glx_> so OnDownloadProgress() should be able to detect failure 17:08:53 <truebrain> Well there you go 🙂 17:11:47 *** Flygon has quit IRC 17:12:22 <andythenorth> peter1138: I had a orange for lunch 17:14:18 <_glx_> hmm but on first fail it retries with fallback protocol 17:20:25 <talltyler> Orange looks good on you 17:21:48 <peter1138> Well 17:22:22 <alfagamma_0007> An orange for lunch 17:22:25 <alfagamma_0007> Not bad 17:27:54 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 17:30:18 <peter1138> I had a John West "salad" 17:30:30 <peter1138> And then too many biscuits 17:31:48 <alfagamma_0007> I had the usual for a very late lunch 17:31:48 <alfagamma_0007> and a very late supper 17:35:48 <andythenorth> did I mention GS today? 17:36:04 <andythenorth> trying to avoid 17:39:12 <peter1138> I need to avoid biscuits 17:39:26 <peter1138> Anyway, it's nearly MTB time 😄 17:39:40 <peter1138> Orange is just bright brown. 17:40:08 <andythenorth> yes 17:40:40 <peter1138> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126206024186077335/image.png 17:40:40 <peter1138> Same hue as before ;D 17:41:52 <peter1138> I need to wranlge the other blitters 17:42:04 <peter1138> And work out what my intentions were with colour packing. 17:42:38 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 17:43:05 <peter1138> IIRC there are l3 or 4 different colour types and 3 different packing schemes in use with this. 17:43:18 <peter1138> Maybe using uint64_t could simplify that. 17:50:02 <_glx_> Oh but I could show download progression 17:50:36 <_glx_> It's just a pain to wait more than 30 minutes to test a change 18:00:50 <truebrain> And now you know why it isn't finished for normal use yet 😛 18:04:50 <pickpacket> What does this mean? ” 230 transit "days" that are equivalent of 575 in-game days” 18:09:19 <Rubidium_> cargo doesn't age every day, but at some other interval 18:10:42 <locosage> pickpacket: 1 transit "day" = 2.5 days 18:11:06 <locosage> don's ask why they're called "days" xD 18:11:30 *** Flygon has quit IRC 18:12:01 <locosage> how do cargo subtypes work for articulated vehicles? 18:12:03 <Rubidium_> yeah, things got misnamed a lot 18:12:24 <locosage> do I need to use var61 to get the subtype of the first articulated part? 18:13:55 <Rubidium_> by default cargo ages every 185 game ticks, which is by default 2.5 days. However, NewGRFs can change that... so it's definitely not days, and the equivalence of 230 cargo aging counts does not necessarily mean 575 in-game days (depends on the NewGRF) 18:19:55 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 18:21:51 <locosage> locosage: looks like I do... 18:29:59 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 opened pull request #11110: Codechange: the templated StrMakeValidInPlace is not in place https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11110 18:30:04 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 opened pull request #11111: Codechange: do not make a string valid in place, to then copy it https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11111 18:43:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eints-sync[bot] pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/9f28da4e3343b64111197169dec420734426599a 18:43:04 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 19:35:07 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 19:48:36 *** toHarry has joined #openttd 19:53:28 *** toHarry has left #openttd 20:20:45 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:48:48 *** nielsm has quit IRC 20:49:31 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 updated pull request #11109: Add: [Emscripten] support for bootstrapping https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11109 20:51:40 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #11109: Add: [Emscripten] support for bootstrapping https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11109#pullrequestreview-1515346510 20:52:07 <truebrain> starting to look nice _glx_ 🙂 20:52:52 <truebrain> still wonder what happens if it just can't download anything .. always those annoying edge-cases 20:53:00 <truebrain> for example if you just enter a wrong DNS name for the websocket 20:53:05 <_glx_> guess it will hang 20:53:30 <truebrain> what is a bit odd, you talk about fallback, but fallback is the only thing used 20:53:36 <truebrain> emscripten cannot make use of the HTTP 20:54:03 <truebrain> (emscripten uses `http_none`) 20:54:21 <truebrain> so isn't a `bytes < 0` indication it will fail completely? 20:54:31 <_glx_> in this case yes 20:54:55 <_glx_> (I just copy/pasted from other place) 20:55:10 <truebrain> `pre.js`, line 4 20:55:16 <truebrain> causes the TCP connection to use a websocket 20:56:29 <truebrain> changing `bananas-server` to anything else that doesn't exist on line 5 should simulate such failure condition btw 20:58:03 <truebrain> btw, not sure, but it might be an idea to split off the emscripten part to an `bootstrap_emscripten.cpp` and create a `bootstrap.cpp` for the `HandleBootstrap` function or something 20:58:10 <truebrain> it becomes a bit crowded now in that single file 🙂 20:58:40 <truebrain> but that is making thing spretty .. not really all that important 20:59:16 <truebrain> I think it is awesome to see you can even visualise the download progress; so I think this is absolutely the right road to walk 🙂 21:00:23 <_glx_> with current code I think a download fail will endlessly reload and retry 21:00:59 <_glx_> I guess that's what I saw with the 5 reload on previous push 21:01:06 <truebrain> hmm .. better show the user that downloading failed, if we can 🙂 21:02:17 <_glx_> modified pre.js:5 to test locally 21:02:54 <_glx_> wss://nothing.bananas-server.openttd.org/ should be a could invalid thing 21:03:10 <truebrain> 😄 21:04:32 <truebrain> I always forget that opening the indexdb hangs the browser .. TOO_MUCH_DATA 😛 21:04:33 <_glx_> and I can force downloading with fallback directly (it's just an extra parameter to _network_content_client.DownloadSelectedContent(this->total_files, this->total_bytes); 21:05:54 <truebrain> I hope one day Chrome also supports streaming downloads; but till that time, we will have to use the TCP fallback 😦 21:06:10 <truebrain> (under Chrome, it downloads the HTTP file in full, then gives it to you .. so for aBase it just hangs the game for a few seconds) 21:07:18 <truebrain> hmm .. I forgot how I can remove an indexeddb from firefox .. I can never find it 😛 21:07:40 <_glx_> hmm the 5 reload I had could also be because reload was too fast 21:08:12 <truebrain> yeah, that is why I had these dependency thingies in there, so one action would wait on the next 21:08:17 <truebrain> otherwise it might not have sync'd etc 21:08:48 <_glx_> yeah and that's why I kept them 🙂 21:08:50 <truebrain> you could do ` FS.syncfs(false, function (err) { location.reload() });` for example 21:09:01 <truebrain> making sure the FS is sync'd 21:09:59 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 opened pull request #11112: Codechange: rename cargo aging days to periods, as they are not really days https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11112 21:10:00 *** keikoz has quit IRC 21:10:24 <truebrain> looks really good _glx_ ; was testing it a bit, but it just looks good 21:10:34 <_glx_> there's openttd_syncfs followed by openttd_reload and reloading waits for 1000ms 21:10:51 <truebrain> yeah, maybe better move the syncfs to openttd_reload and openttd_exit 21:10:59 <truebrain> making sure it is always finished before either is done 21:11:08 <truebrain> might be a bit more robust, in case people have shitty slow HDDs 😛 21:11:18 <_glx_> good point 21:11:48 <truebrain> it is so ironic, that you can't download via HTTP on a browser .. dunno .. still feels weird 😄 21:12:10 <truebrain> https://emscripten.org/docs/api_reference/fetch.html#streaming-downloads for future reference 21:12:16 <truebrain> (the `note` part) 21:12:23 <_glx_> and in openttd_abort too 21:12:27 <truebrain> yes 21:13:08 <_glx_> but I'm building to test with the invalid url, so I won't touch the code 🙂 21:15:47 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 21:17:16 <truebrain> also curious if emscripten can handle our threads by now .. they have pthread support, but it was really buggy, so I disabled it. But it has been a few years .. so another place where emscripten might be improved 🙂 21:17:24 <truebrain> you notice it mostly when generating a (big) map .. the game just hangs 😛 21:21:03 <_glx_> IIRC you fixed the save crash 21:25:07 <_glx_> there will be the json thing to fix too (preview workflow doesn't apply the patch BTW) 21:26:30 <_glx_> but locally it is applied, it is found by cmake but at the same time it is not found 21:26:58 <truebrain> well, you see how annoying it is to debug those things 😛 21:28:12 <_glx_> that's in the cmake area, less time consuming, but still annoying 21:29:18 <_glx_> and my script always does cmake host, build host, cmake, build 21:30:44 <truebrain> keeping the docker instance alive really helps btw 21:30:52 <truebrain> as Emscripten otherwise keeps recompiling the libraries 21:34:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 21:38:07 <_glx_> truebrain: webdev tools, you can delete it in storage tab 21:39:07 <_glx_> ok failure to connect just crash 21:39:11 <truebrain> yeah, I found it; it just always takes for ever to find it 😛 21:39:15 <truebrain> it is in such a weird place 21:40:37 <_glx_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1126266411514335312/image.png 21:44:30 *** esselfe has quit IRC 21:48:34 *** esselfe has joined #openttd 21:49:11 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 21:55:32 *** Kitrana has joined #openttd 22:01:56 *** Kitrana2 has joined #openttd 22:03:09 *** Kitrana1 has quit IRC 22:06:34 *** Kitrana has quit IRC 22:25:50 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:41:24 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:01:15 <truebrain> Btw _glx_ , nightly succeeded 😄 23:01:52 <_glx_> oh I forgot to check 🙂 23:19:17 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 23:21:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 updated pull request #11109: Add: [Emscripten] support for bootstrapping https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11109 23:30:05 *** keikoz has joined #openttd