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00:00:26 <eQualizer> And when police officers asks you to bend down nicely, you do so. 00:01:35 <Sacro> err, right 00:02:02 <RichK67> all any ID scheme is good for is giving the semblance of control to the paranoid voters.... but they can be used for bad way too easily 00:02:28 <Sacro> i know who i am, thats all that matters 00:02:54 <RichK67> when you are within the bounds of the law, yes 00:03:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> you see... in germany, "within bounds of law" includes "have either an ID card or passport" 00:03:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> german law is pretty clear on that... 00:04:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> it has worked for centuries that way... 00:04:29 <RichK67> yup - necessary to prove who you are when the Soviet divisions are only 5 miles away 00:04:34 <glx> it's not an obligation in France, but it's highly recommended 00:05:07 <glx> you need it to pay by check, to vote ... 00:05:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> we had a soviet division in our city for a long time 00:05:36 <Sacro> soviets? 00:05:53 <RichK67> Cold War... 1946-1989 00:06:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes... the soviets controlled half of germany for half a century... where on earth did you live? 00:06:18 <XeryusTC> dutch law states that everyone of an age of 14 or higher should always have some ID with him/her 00:06:29 <Sacro> well in 1989 i would have been 5 00:06:48 <RichK67> wow.... 00:06:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... i was 8... 00:06:57 <RichK67> i was graduating... ;) 00:07:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> that made you like 25? 00:07:12 <RichK67> 22 00:07:21 <Sacro> me? im 21 00:07:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> must be a short graduation... 00:07:37 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 00:07:42 <RichK67> 4 years course 00:07:45 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 00:08:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> in germany, you are 18 (east) or 19 (west) when you leave school, then 1 year service in the army (or replacement civil service), then 4+ years studying 00:10:37 <RichK67> in holland... leave school 18, 4 years uni... 1 year detox ;) 00:10:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> usual study times are 9 semesters (4.5 years) 00:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you don't study something extraordinary like medicine, or jura 00:11:42 <RichK67> law? 00:11:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah... 00:11:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's the name ;) 00:12:16 <Sacro> lol, im wanting to go to uni :) 00:12:17 <RichK67> architecture is a long one here... 7 years 00:12:20 <Sacro> *:( 00:12:55 <RichK67> 3 years uni, 1 year full-time work, 3 years part time study/work 00:13:14 <RichK67> gotta be dedicated for that 00:13:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> 3*1 + 1*0 + 3*(1/2) ... is also 4.5 years effective studying... 00:14:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don 00:14:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> 't see anything wrong with that 00:15:10 <RichK67> nah, the work is 100% practical studying in effect, its not being a waiter ;) 00:16:00 <RichK67> its on-site working in an architect firm... and you have to do rounds of interviews to get to be selected by the best firms... too much like hard work for me! 00:16:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> a friend of mine studied architecture... 00:17:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> he worked in Australia and New Zealand 00:17:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> for like a year each 00:17:49 <RichK67> nice 00:18:26 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 00:25:34 <Sacro> i think i might try IN 00:25:57 <RichK67> wait a moment, and ill upload a brand new version 00:27:02 <Sacro> yeah, can do 00:30:09 <RichK67> ok 4453 uploaded 00:33:10 <Sacro> away she goes 00:36:02 <RichK67> (last we see of sacro for a while ;) ) 00:36:29 <Sacro> bugs: on landscape gen screen, background water sprites change when toyland selected 00:36:41 <Sacro> and when i started a game, my menu bar wasnt centred, it was left 00:37:15 <glx> menu bar position is in openttd.cfg 00:37:24 <glx> left by default 00:37:37 <RichK67> tx glx... i was getting worried there 00:37:39 <Sacro> i set it in the patch options 00:37:40 <XeryusTC> <Sacro> bugs: on landscape gen screen, background water sprites change when toyland selected <- it doesnt only change the water, if you click generate it also changes the land tiles to temperate, desert or toyland tiles (stardard intro scen) 00:37:55 <Sacro> XeryusTC: does it now? ill have to check 00:38:15 <XeryusTC> i don't use IN, i have my own compile :) 00:38:24 <XeryusTC> but that also includes tgp 00:38:34 * XeryusTC loves tgp <3 00:38:38 <RichK67> momentarily, before loading... its because TGP calls loadgfx early on 00:38:44 <Sacro> cant say im too fond of it 00:38:59 <XeryusTC> it creates nice landscapes :) 00:39:22 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has quit ["Bunchie!"] 00:39:24 <RichK67> sacro: thats why i prefer leaving it as an option... some devs want to lose (old) alternative 00:40:05 <RichK67> XeryusTC: you will looooooooove TGP with temperate snow :) :) it is gorgeous :) 00:40:15 <XeryusTC> heh 00:40:36 *** RichK67_ [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 00:40:51 <RichK67_> ouch 00:41:05 <XeryusTC> RichK67: could you solve the no woodmill problem in the desert climate, you would have to generate the trees before the industries or somehow bypass the check 00:41:13 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:41:45 <RichK67_> woodmills can only be user-built in tropical 00:41:59 <XeryusTC> i know 00:42:27 <XeryusTC> but that is kind of irritating, it is really hard to start a successfull company without having a good source of money 00:42:27 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176111147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 00:42:30 <RichK67_> they arent passive features - if i auto-build them, the trees will be slaughtered ;) 00:43:16 <Vornicus> ...wait, woodmills in desert actually deplete surrounding trees? 00:43:27 <XeryusTC> Vornicus: yes 00:43:36 <RichK67_> oil is the quick source in desert/tropical, then lumber is the big-bucks earner 00:43:53 <XeryusTC> wood really gets you started :) 00:44:09 <RichK67_> oh yeah... coal on steroids ;) 00:44:31 <XeryusTC> i connected two wood mills to a factory, total of 7 trains made about half a million a year :) 00:44:48 <XeryusTC> not bad in 1950 ;) 00:44:56 <RichK67_> yup 00:45:56 * XeryusTC puts a flower on RichK67_'s _ -> * 00:48:18 <RichK67_> glx: i have some new pages ready for the web... how can i get them loaded?? 00:48:30 <glx> where? 00:48:37 <RichK67_> openttd website 00:49:14 <glx> hmm you should ask TL or DV I think 00:50:02 <glx> I know that openttd website has it's own svn repo 00:50:24 <RichK67_> is Truelight on, atm?? or has he forgotten to place TL|away ? 00:50:42 <XeryusTC> i think that TrueLight is asleep 00:50:49 <glx> I think that too :) 00:50:58 <Sacro> ping him 00:51:55 <RichK67_> it is 1.50am UK... and i think he's on CET... so unless he's a real vampire like us, i think he'll be sleeping 00:51:56 <Sacro> bedtime me thinks 00:52:16 <RichK67_> i'll catch him tomorrow 00:52:23 <Sacro> night all 00:52:27 <XeryusTC> night Sacro 00:52:35 <RichK67_> gn 00:52:43 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-223-183.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Leading Edge IRC"] 00:53:08 <XeryusTC> RichK67_: its 2:52 here, i live in the same country as TrueLight. and most of the time TrueLight goes to bed around 22:00 or so 00:53:34 <XeryusTC> i hate gcc >:| 00:54:08 <RichK67_> eek... the "Mini" IN is now nearly 1/6th the source code!! 00:55:02 <XeryusTC> i really, really hate gcc >:( 00:55:12 <RichK67_> lol - mingw :) 00:55:39 <XeryusTC> yes 00:56:09 <glx> works well for me, what do you hate in it ? 00:57:00 <XeryusTC> because it doesn't allow me to move a function from a .h file to a .cpp file 00:57:35 <XeryusTC> it starts complaining that there is a "undefined reference" to that function if i try to compile with the lib i generated :| 00:57:56 <glx> undefined reference means missing -l 00:58:20 <glx> and you should put all needed -l after the .o 00:58:36 <XeryusTC> i know 00:59:00 <XeryusTC> but it can find it if i leave the function in the .h file or if i call the function from another function in the same .cpp file 00:59:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> TrueLight has been idle 6hrs 30secs, signed on Sat Apr 15 22:25:00 01:00:24 <glx> last time he said something : [20:55:39] 01:00:43 <glx> so idle time is ok 01:00:59 <XeryusTC> heh, i think i scared him with my reply ;) 01:01:20 <glx> I don't think so :) 01:03:08 <XeryusTC> :( 01:12:19 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 01:12:33 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:12:43 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 01:14:26 <RichK67_> ping anyone... :) 01:15:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> i consider myself pinged ;) 01:15:24 <RichK67_> i need to PM or email Michael Blunck (of wonderful graphics fame)... do you know his ID on the forum? 01:15:52 <RichK67_> ive tried his website, but no email link in sight 01:16:13 <XeryusTC> Micael Blunck = Alltaken? 01:16:20 <XeryusTC> Michael* 01:16:29 <glx> no 01:16:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have never really been to the forum 01:22:57 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|notawake 01:23:00 <Xeryus|notawake> night all 01:23:18 <RichK67_> cya 01:27:16 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a41633.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:27:34 *** pasky [i=pasky@pasky.noc.xs26.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:32:56 *** pasky [i=pasky@w241.dkm.cz] has joined #openttd 01:47:37 *** Forexs [n=forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 02:12:19 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:13:48 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B83723.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:14:44 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 02:27:01 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80C51.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:27:03 *** RichK67_ [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has left #openttd [] 02:35:31 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.2/2006030804]"] 02:47:46 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 02:58:48 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498E830.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 03:32:36 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has quit ["chao"] 03:34:27 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 03:56:37 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:57:34 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 04:09:00 *** joed [n=James@CPE-143-238-8-111.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:55:59 *** fusey [n=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22"] 05:36:46 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["And he disappears, like a fox, in the night."] 05:38:07 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:51:31 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:44:06 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 06:46:46 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:48:03 *** fusey [n=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #openttd 06:53:55 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 07:01:41 *** blathijs [n=matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 07:01:48 *** blathijs [n=matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 07:01:59 <blathijs> hmm, crap... 07:02:09 <blathijs> scroll-locked my terminal :-S 07:11:49 *** Sian^_^ [n=Devilen@cpe.atm2-0-74539.0x50c6d2c6.virnxx17.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:19:13 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["And he disappears, like a fox, in the night."] 07:20:13 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:28:46 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691922180.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:30:45 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691922180.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 07:32:56 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-233-219.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 07:38:08 <TrueLight> blathijs: blond 07:39:25 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 07:44:06 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.1.7] has joined #openttd 07:47:26 *** Forexs [n=forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit ["Go on, get out. 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09:17:35 <MeusH> :X 09:25:35 *** joed_ [n=James@CPE-203-51-167-53.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:26:58 *** joed [n=James@CPE-143-238-8-111.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:27:53 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:31:45 *** Xeryus|notawake is now known as XeryusTC 09:35:37 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83723.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:35:49 <XeryusTC> good morning everyone 09:36:07 <MeusH> hello 09:40:34 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [") td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ ("] 09:41:33 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-60-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:45:26 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:54:56 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:55:44 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:03:59 <stillunknown> anyone know what kind of special treatment dualhead engines get? 10:04:41 <stillunknown> were is their power doubled? 10:11:22 *** joed_ [n=James@CPE-60-230-48-77.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:12:13 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B379A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:12:43 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:13:19 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 10:15:02 <ThePizzaKing> stillunknown: I think that the power listed in the purchasing window is the power for both engines, so if you only have one engine, it would have half the power (anyone care to correct me?) 10:15:23 *** ThePizzaKing is now known as TPK|Moviing 10:15:28 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:20:13 <stillunknown> it does 10:20:38 <stillunknown> but i check if the power is available and the second part of the engine is never used 10:20:44 <stillunknown> *is never checked 10:20:56 <stillunknown> and automaticly gets the power of the first part 10:23:50 <stillunknown> and i don't know were it happens as i would like to fix it properly instead of bypassing it 10:30:04 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B379A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:30:27 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176111147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:31:09 *** joed__ [n=James@CPE-60-230-91-29.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:34:49 <CIA-3> KUDr * r4455 /branch/yapf/ (14 files in 3 dirs): Sync with trunk (4437:4454) 10:34:57 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-233-219.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 10:36:14 <stillunknown> so if anyone knows in what piece of the sourcecode dualhead engines are duplicated, maybe if it's pointer related 10:36:36 *** littlewhitey [n=whitey@tell.me.have.you.seen.the.marvelous.breadfish.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:38:08 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83723.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:38:09 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83723.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:41:20 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54944CD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:45:09 <stillunknown> guess i'll have to wait until more devs are around 10:58:54 *** joed__ [n=James@CPE-60-228-98-4.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:03:52 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:14:49 *** joed_ [n=James@CPE-60-230-48-77.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:17:13 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH[away] 11:36:14 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-201-99.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:36:18 <Sacro> afternoon all 11:37:46 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-233-219.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 11:45:48 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:47:22 *** littlewhitey [n=whitey@tell.me.have.you.seen.the.marvelous.breadfish.co.uk] has quit ["."] 11:47:31 *** e1ko [n=31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:55:44 *** TPK|Moviing is now known as ThePizzaKin 11:55:49 *** ThePizzaKin is now known as ThePizzaKing 12:04:49 *** kujeger [n=kujeger@host-81-191-145-149.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 12:07:21 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 12:07:44 <RichK67> alltaken ping 12:07:47 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-201-99.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:14:23 <RichK67> Truelight ping 12:14:38 <TrueLight> RichK67: pong 12:15:55 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has joined #openttd 12:15:57 <RichK67> hi - i have some web pages sorted for the Mini IN... can you test them? 12:15:58 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 12:16:03 <TrueLight> surerrr 12:17:02 <RichK67> the pages are in http://devs.openttd.org/~richk67/web/ and are meant to go into the OTTD pages area, and the .tpl into the template folder 12:17:31 <RichK67> i think you may need to move them there for the active features to work 12:17:31 <TrueLight> I dunno if that is possible 12:17:35 <TrueLight> Darkvater is the web-guy :) 12:18:26 <RichK67> i based them on the nightly.php and nightly.tpl pages... changed what i thought was right 12:18:33 <TrueLight> cool, myPHP restriction is over-active :) 12:18:33 <RichK67> is DV about today? 12:20:08 <SimonRC> Wow! I've just found a real life railway layout that looks like the sort of thing I build in TT. 12:20:32 <SimonRC> It's an off-line roro station with bi-directional access. 12:20:37 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8.png 12:21:31 <SimonRC> It's at 54deg58'N, 1deg37'W 12:23:25 <RichK67> peter1138: ive been taking a look at placing arctic industries into temp climate.... the graphics already work, but im confused/perplexed about cargo... its 8 bit, but things like paper map themselves down to the values for steel etc... 12:23:36 <peter1138> uh 12:23:38 <peter1138> have fun :) 12:23:53 <peter1138> basically cargo ids are per climate 12:23:55 <peter1138> but 12:24:00 <peter1138> there is also a global list 12:24:02 <RichK67> ive seen there is a translation table 12:24:14 <peter1138> so i guess you need to dump the climate lists and use just the global list 12:24:16 <peter1138> however 12:24:27 <RichK67> yup, the globals - convert to/from... yup, thats what i was thinking 12:24:33 <peter1138> valuables and something else are different per climate but use the same global id 12:24:38 <RichK67> savegame conversion will be a pig 12:25:15 <peter1138> hmm, not that hard, you know what the climate is so you can change it there 12:25:26 <peter1138> the station struct will have to change from 12 cargos to 32 (or more) 12:25:33 <SimonRC> Aaaah, you should have used XML for the game saving. :-) 12:25:43 <RichK67> are the cargo types for vehicles kept as the global numbers or the converted ones in newgrfs? 12:25:58 <peter1138> ... 12:26:23 <peter1138> vehicles still use climate ids 12:26:34 <RichK67> nice... that makes it easy then :) 12:26:51 <RichK67> easy = easyish ;) 12:28:43 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E830.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:31:51 <RichK67> its livestock that shares currently with maize 12:32:06 <RichK67> not maize... sorry 12:32:13 <peter1138> that's the other one 12:32:18 <peter1138> grain/maize/wheat 12:32:35 <RichK67> yeah, its livestock with something else 12:43:33 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:24 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 12:49:05 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["And he disappears, like a fox, in the night."] 12:51:40 <Alltaken> RichK67: yo yo 12:51:43 <Alltaken> i mean Pong 12:51:47 <RichK67> hi 12:52:11 <RichK67> i need to get in touch with Michael Blunck, but his website doesnt have an email address 12:53:20 <RichK67> i thought you might know his forum id, or email 12:55:57 <Alltaken> hmmm nope sorry. is he listed at openttd.org 12:55:59 <Alltaken> ? 12:56:04 <Alltaken> there are email addresses there 12:57:00 <RichK67> nope unfortunately 12:57:14 <RichK67> you might be able to help though 12:57:51 <RichK67> i am creating a patch that uses snow graphics in temperate climate 12:58:39 <RichK67> MB has done the part tiles, and they're nice... but i need to be able to freely distribute 12:59:44 <RichK67> i also need to extract the snowy trees from the trgcr.grf - what is the position on doing an extract from original game graphics? 13:02:48 *** Safariman [n=safarima@nerd-station.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openTTD 13:03:02 <glx> RichK67: I think you should not use original game graphics 13:04:12 <peter1138> woo, greek & russian 13:04:13 <RichK67> thats what i thought - but currently i do it the brute force way and load all 380+ sprites to access 5 13:04:55 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B379A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:04:55 <stillunknown> but you didn't provide the source material, they did 13:06:31 <RichK67> still: my current method is 100% ok, as it does not modify or redistribute any of Microprose's graphics... however i need a solution on the MB graphics, as i currently load 480+ sprites of his, to use 60 ish 13:07:08 <RichK67> but i want to do this more elegantly, and more efficiently 13:09:26 *** joed__ [n=James@CPE-60-228-98-4.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Client exiting"] 13:09:57 <stillunknown> if MB is on tt-forums, then maybe there's an e-mail adress or you can send a pm 13:11:31 <RichK67> yes, i realise that, but i dont know his id 13:14:02 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:15:03 *** Safariman [n=safarima@nerd-station.student.utwente.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 13:15:19 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 13:15:41 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has quit [""Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness." - Terry Pratchett"] 13:18:14 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:19:39 <RichK67> gotta go 13:19:50 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 13:20:56 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 13:23:44 *** e1ko [n=31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 13:27:23 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 13:30:01 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.2/2006030804]"] 13:32:47 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 13:35:13 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.1.7] has quit ["Reboot [Time wasted online: 5hrs 51mins 17secs]"] 13:43:24 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.20.201] has joined #openttd 13:53:10 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-19812.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 13:57:00 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:58:02 *** MeusH[away] is now known as MeusH 14:00:38 <MeusH> peter1138: that utf8 picture looks promising 14:00:42 <MeusH> what's the progress? 14:00:52 <MeusH> do you need a bug hunting? 14:01:05 <MeusH> my letters will help you :) 14:01:28 * MeusH looks at ¥¹ÆæÊꣳÓó¯¿ 14:04:18 <peter1138> hm? 14:04:23 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8-2.png 14:12:47 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has joined #openttd 14:16:18 *** Andrew67 [i=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has joined #openttd 14:17:17 *** TrueLight [n=kvirc@truelight.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:17:44 * Patrick` always names his companies flandcrest enterprises 14:22:56 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCA4282.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 14:25:30 <SimonRC> peter1138: Why? 14:25:39 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:25:46 <peter1138> why what? 14:31:02 <Born_Acorn> what why? 14:33:29 <CIA-3> KUDr * r4456 /branch/yapf/yapf/ (5 files): [YAPF] Fix: tunnel and bridge cost calculation 14:36:51 *** TrueLight [n=kvirc@truelight.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:37:43 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 14:37:45 *** TrueLight is now known as TL|Away 14:37:53 <CIA-3> KUDr * r4457 /branch/yapf/yapf/unittest/test_yapf.h: [YAPF] Fix: unittest broken by r4456 15:16:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... has the planeset better sounds for starting of zeppellins? (and are they just not supported?) 15:16:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> currently, it plays the helicopter sound... which are pretty inappropriate :) 15:17:28 <glx> I think newsounds are not supported for now 15:17:48 <glx> but I don't know if planeset uses them 15:22:00 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-237-176.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:22:12 <Sacro> afternoon all 15:26:40 <DaleStan> <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... has the planeset better sounds for starting of zeppellins? <-- If "dead silence" counts as "better sounds", then yes, it does. 15:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, that is definitely better than helicopters ;) 15:30:50 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 15:30:59 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:34:42 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 15:40:10 <Celaway> yo peops 15:40:33 *** Celaway is now known as Celestar 15:45:54 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has quit ["Bunchie!"] 15:48:30 <MeusH> hello Celestar? 15:48:34 <MeusH> how are you? 15:48:41 <MeusH> any new patches on the way? :) 15:49:44 <MeusH> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=431212#431212 <- it's almost ready 15:51:40 <MeusH> peter1138: does UTF support by you use OpenTTD custom font, or a system font? 15:52:01 <MeusH> and what do you think it's progress is? 15:54:21 <MeusH> glx: removing "if (x == -1 || y == -1)" caused the tooltip to follow the mouse cursor 15:54:44 <glx> in peter1138's patch? 15:55:12 <MeusH> hmm 15:55:17 <MeusH> in tooltips patch:) 15:56:39 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7D658.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:45 <Celestar> ok 15:57:49 <Celestar> bbl 15:58:19 <glx> MeusH: I still think you should use peter1138's toolparam3.diff, because it calculates tooltip dimensions using the real string 15:59:18 <MeusH> yes, I used it 15:59:27 <glx> sorry I didin't looked v4 :) 15:59:35 <MeusH> I have just commented out "if (x == -1 || y == -1) {" 16:02:52 *** [1]Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-237-176.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:02:52 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-237-176.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:03:04 *** [1]Sacro is now known as Sacro 16:04:21 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 16:05:44 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [i=Q@p54A7D658.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:04 *** Morlark|Yarr [n=Sean@host86-141-120-61.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:10:47 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-237-176.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!"] 16:26:25 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7D658.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:27:31 <peter1138> hello 16:27:48 <peter1138> MeusH: it uses freetype, so it's not custom, but it's not system either 16:31:44 * peter1138 ponders 16:31:58 * peter1138 builds without freetype 16:32:06 <MeusH> so currently it won't work on other systems than Linux? 16:32:34 <glx> freetype is multi-system 16:33:39 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has joined #openttd 16:33:50 <peter1138> yeah, it should be able to work under windows 16:33:56 <peter1138> but i've not tried it 16:36:07 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83723.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:37:40 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83723.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:47:57 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7D658.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:48:04 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-19812.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:48:38 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-19812.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 16:55:14 <XeryusTC> freetype works under windows 17:07:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> WHAAAH... 17:07:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> refitting a train with 6 gondolas (ore) and 1 gondola (grain) to ore makes all the ore from the 6 wagons disappear 17:11:39 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [i=Q@p54A7D658.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:17:45 *** ledow [n=ledow@jaimejwalker.plus.com] has joined #openttd 17:22:12 <stillunknown> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=431243#431243 17:22:20 <stillunknown> progress on enhanced elrails 17:22:53 <glx> MeusH: about your tooltips stuff, it works without my little change in AllocateWindow 17:25:21 <blathijs> stillunknown: enhanced elrails? 17:26:46 <stillunknown> read and you will know what it is 17:43:20 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 17:45:25 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-199-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:34 <hylje> whats the easiest way to merge stations 17:48:57 <glx> what do you mean? 17:49:43 <MeusH> glx: may me talk later, please? 17:49:44 <MeusH> I g2g 17:49:47 <hylje> i got two stations quite close to each other 17:50:01 <hylje> and would be useful to make those a rather large one 17:50:04 <glx> MeusH: np 17:50:49 <glx> hylje: you must destroy one of them 17:50:59 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:00 <glx> you can't merge existing stations 17:51:04 *** jnmbk [n=jnmbk@81.213.67.195] has joined #openttd 17:51:33 <hylje> thought so 17:54:49 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH[away] 17:58:45 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 17:59:48 <CIA-3> miham * r4458 /trunk/lang/ (czech.txt dutch.txt polish.txt): [WT2 quickcommit w/o stats] 18:01:37 *** dst_ [n=dennis@p213.54.85.140.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #openttd 18:03:38 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 18:07:28 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [i=Q@p54A7D658.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:13:12 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-237-176.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:13:16 <Sacro> evening all 18:14:35 <Celestar> hi 18:16:05 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-5398.bb.online.no] has quit ["edgepro: There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they start and so on."] 18:18:16 *** jmp_ghli [i=rezso@catv-5062a55d.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:20:19 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A10C.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 18:22:50 <Darkvater> hi all 18:23:32 <Celestar> hi one 18:24:03 <Celestar> bah this _ffb64 should be forbidden. 18:26:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B76503.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:29 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7D658.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:27:03 <Darkvater> damn long day. Only got back an hour ago from tennis 18:27:11 <Darkvater> and even worse... I lost :s 18:28:01 <Celestar> :( 18:29:05 <Darkvater> Celestar: you missed yoyo-ing rails :) 18:30:08 <Celestar> I did? 18:30:20 <Darkvater> yep 18:30:48 <peter1138> i hate houses 18:30:59 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-60-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:31:04 <Darkvater> a bit overzealous accessor usage and goto removal broke it ;) 18:31:25 <Celestar> whoops : 18:32:38 <Darkvater> I almost added back the goto, but then thought better of it 18:33:36 <Celestar> hm. 18:34:16 * Celestar resumes cleaning up signal drawing code 18:34:51 <Sacro> off for tea, back later 18:35:03 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-237-176.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:35:50 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r4459 /trunk/newgrf_station.c: - Newstations: check pointer for NULL before using it. 18:36:05 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2D3A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:07 * MiHaMiX had a long day 18:39:13 <MiHaMiX> long and tiring 18:41:08 <Celestar> heya MiHaMiX :) 18:41:12 <MiHaMiX> Celestar: hi 18:41:26 * Celestar 's been in Hungary today again :) 18:42:56 * Celestar likes your motorways 18:43:06 <Celestar> only the speed limit sucks ass 18:43:07 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit ["bla"] 18:43:12 <MiHaMiX> Celestar: well, they are cheap 18:44:02 <Celestar> what do you mean? 18:44:07 <peter1138> Darkvater: http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8-2.png <-- greek & cyrillic \o/ 18:44:46 <Darkvater> hi MiHaMiX , Celestar :) 18:44:56 <MiHaMiX> hi Darkvater 18:45:07 <Darkvater> Celestar: 130km/h is already a lot better than here in NL and fines cost zippa in HUN 18:45:15 * Darkvater slaps peter1138 18:45:22 <Darkvater> sweet mother of wholy god 18:45:39 <Darkvater> why doesn't it look cyrillic to me? 18:45:40 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B75DD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:45:41 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: who did the support? 18:45:50 <Darkvater> it's more like french+greek 18:45:54 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:45:55 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: yes 18:46:08 <peter1138> it's french, + 3 greek letters and 3 cyrillic letters 18:46:16 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: me 18:46:26 <Darkvater> ah like that 18:46:34 <Celestar> Darkvater: well I usually go around 145km/h. 18:46:37 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: very nice 18:46:39 <Darkvater> I see you got shadows working :) 18:46:39 <peter1138> not knowing either greek or russian, i didn't do a full translation ;) 18:46:43 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: when will you commit to trunk? :) 18:46:55 <Darkvater> Celestar: I do that all the time as well 18:47:03 <Darkvater> those payed-highways rule 18:47:13 <Darkvater> it's so fucking expensive almost nobody uses them *D 18:47:41 <Celestar> only lol 18:47:54 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r4460 /trunk/ (station.h station_cmd.c waypoint.c): 18:47:54 <CIA-3> - Newstations: remove unused class_id / stat_id variables from the 18:47:54 <CIA-3> Station struct. 18:47:55 <Celestar> Darkvater: only once ... I tried full speed. 18:48:44 <Celestar> I just wonder why I get crappy fuel EVERY time I'm in eastern Europe. 18:49:11 <Celestar> I need 5.8-6.2 l/100km with German or Austrian fuel and 6.9-7.6 l/100km with Slovak fuel. 18:49:13 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2D622.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:49:13 *** dp is now known as dp-- 18:49:27 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: [[20:46]] <MiHaMiX> peter1138: when will you commit to trunk? :) 18:49:36 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: when its ready ;p 18:49:43 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: ahh, ok:) 18:49:52 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: please notify me before committing :) 18:50:21 <Darkvater> Celestar: crappy slovaks :) 18:51:02 * Celestar slaps Darkvater 18:51:10 <Darkvater> hey you started it 18:51:25 <MiHaMiX> Celestar: well, cheaper fuel - bigger consumption :) 18:51:39 <Celestar> ^^ 18:54:46 <Darkvater> lol 18:54:48 <Darkvater> #sandra-bullock.co.uk *24/7* 1956-2041 18:54:52 <Darkvater> openttd server 18:55:21 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-141-200-151.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:55:26 <Celestar> muhaha 18:56:12 <stillunknown> is there any place were the location of the train segment is stored instead of the coordinates of the middle part? 18:58:42 <Darkvater> peter1138: got newgrf params done. I tried being close to your grf-set patch as not to conflict too much. works really nicely :) 18:59:25 <peter1138> commit? 18:59:34 <Darkvater> not yet, 90% done 18:59:39 <peter1138> oh, ok :) 18:59:53 <stillunknown> v->x_pos and v->y_pos don't seem to be right for the individual engine in a long train 19:00:12 <Darkvater> hmm who changed something? 19:00:18 <Darkvater> got an almost clean 19:00:19 <Darkvater> ah shit 19:00:25 <Darkvater> have planeset diff applied 19:00:27 <Darkvater> .. 19:01:13 *** tomahawk [n=tomahawk@absu182.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:02:43 <Celestar> peter1138: got a sec? need a proofread. 19:02:48 <peter1138> sure 19:02:59 <Celestar> dcc 19:03:17 <Celestar> it's only a step :S 19:04:19 <peter1138> it looks betterer 19:05:29 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7D658.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:59 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176116132.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:06:54 <Celestar> good 19:08:06 <Celestar> and the code is shorter 19:08:09 <Celestar> (at least in assembly) 19:08:33 <Celestar> might save same 10-15 cycles for each signal drawn :P 19:09:33 <CIA-3> celestar * r4461 /trunk/ (rail.h rail_cmd.c rail_map.h): -Codechange: Add and make use of map accessor functions for signal drawing. Includes some basic cleanup of the drawing functions 19:10:35 <stillunknown> is there a specific place for map accessors? 19:11:23 <Darkvater> map.h usually 19:11:45 <Celestar> er 19:11:49 <Celestar> *_map.h 19:14:42 <Celestar> bah 19:14:48 <Celestar> I HATE USB 19:15:12 <Celestar> you never know whether a device has enough power :S 19:15:54 <Celestar> note to self: scanning works better with photograph in scanner than photograph next to scanner 19:16:17 <peter1138> heh 19:16:17 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176111147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:23:42 <Celestar> note to self 2: removing USB cable from scanner will leave it non-operative. 19:24:05 <peter1138> yes 19:24:41 <Celestar> especially since USB == power source 19:24:52 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [i=Q@p54A7D658.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:26:20 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r4462 /trunk/station_cmd.c: - Newstations: ensure the chosen tile layout is available from a custom station 19:32:08 *** jnmbk [n=jnmbk@81.213.67.195] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:46:34 <Celestar> guys. 19:46:53 <Celestar> this is me or should oldloader.c NOT use map accessors? 19:47:29 <Patrick`> Celestar: oldloader ... my bug? 19:47:41 *** MeusH[away] is now known as MeusH 19:47:46 <Patrick`> also: was it you that did the siggui updates I bothered someone into doing? 19:48:32 *** jmp_ghli [i=rezso@catv-5062a55d.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 19:49:55 <Celestar> Patrick`: no bug. 19:49:56 <peter1138> Celestar: no, it shouldn't 19:50:19 <Celestar> Patrick`: yes. but I haven't updated it fully yet. 19:50:32 <Patrick`> Celestar: there's some guy on the forum who put it up to 0.4.5 19:50:40 <Patrick`> sorry, I should have checked before I press-ganged you into it 19:53:16 <Celestar> peter1138: well currently it seems to do. 19:53:47 <glx> tron did it 19:55:04 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a41633.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:55:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:55:38 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:56:33 <peter1138> ouch, this adds 3 KB to each station. that's not good 19:56:35 <Celestar> peter1138: I suggest that oldloader.c allocates its own map, and the copies relevant parts of it to the main map. 19:57:19 <peter1138> i never use it, tbh 19:57:50 <Celestar> neither do I ... 19:57:54 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83723.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 19:58:44 *** Sian^_^ [n=Devilen@cpe.atm2-0-74539.0x50c6d2c6.virnxx17.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:59:10 <Patrick`> well, I tried to 19:59:10 <Patrick`> once 19:59:29 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:01:25 <Celestar> sorry to brag, but TTDP's alternating pylons look poor ^^ 20:01:45 <hylje> comparison 20:01:59 <Celestar> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24042 20:03:55 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=430186#430186 20:03:58 <Darkvater> whaat 20:04:03 <Darkvater> wrong window 20:06:26 <peter1138> ah 20:06:36 <Darkvater> peter1138: how's the progress of those pylon bounding boxes? :) 20:06:43 <peter1138> so the *combined*roadset needs the usroadset to show use roads... hmm. 20:06:46 <peter1138> ? 20:07:03 <Darkvater> funny, ain't it :) 20:07:07 <peter1138> oh, pillars...? 20:07:08 *** tomahawk [n=tomahawk@absu182.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:07:15 <Celestar> did Tron mention where he went? 20:07:23 <Darkvater> combined roadset if loaded with usroads uses us roads for new bridges 20:07:26 <Darkvater> Celestar: skiing 20:07:35 <Celestar> uh 20:07:37 <peter1138> damn 3KB extra per station :( 20:07:38 <Celestar> ok 20:07:43 <Darkvater> 21:57 < peter1138> i never use it, tbh 20:07:43 * peter1138 ponders a dynamic way 20:07:47 <Celestar> peter1138: how?! 20:08:13 <Celestar> 4462? 20:08:38 <Celestar> or something not-yet-committed? 20:08:47 <peter1138> not yet committed 20:09:00 <Celestar> 3kb PER STATION? 20:09:14 <Celestar> I mean a whole station is not 3kb as of now :P 20:09:22 <peter1138> exactly 20:09:31 <Celestar> show me diff? 20:09:42 <peter1138> it's an array 20:09:52 <Celestar> of 3kb? 20:09:55 <peter1138> yes 20:09:56 <Celestar> 1000 elements? 20:10:01 <peter1138> so i'm going to mallocize it 20:10:05 <peter1138> no, 12 bytes per element 20:10:19 <Celestar> is it saved? 20:10:26 <peter1138> it will be 20:10:32 <Celestar> hm. 20:10:32 <peter1138> mostly 0s though, heh 20:10:38 <Celestar> big saveload trouble. 20:10:41 <peter1138> only 5 bytes are saved 20:10:46 <Celestar> oh 20:10:48 <peter1138> yes, i know 20:10:53 <Celestar> can I see a diff? ;) 20:11:43 <MiHaMiX> ahh, 15 translators already 20:11:58 <Celestar> lol I found me if-cascade-elrail-drawing code ;) 20:12:02 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/grfst7.diff 20:13:30 <Celestar> why do you need 256 statspecs per station? 20:14:15 <peter1138> you don't really. but you can. 20:14:24 <peter1138> probably 16 is enough 20:14:41 <peter1138> that's an easier change, heeh 20:14:43 <Celestar> hm ... 20:14:50 <Celestar> maybe using realloc isn't bad an idea. 20:16:19 <Celestar> make things fully dynamic :) 20:17:38 <Celestar> but ok 20:17:40 <Celestar> I'm off 20:24:14 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:27:23 <Darkvater> gn Celestar 20:39:52 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! newstations! 20:47:59 <peter1138> oh, yeah, maybe 20:48:00 <peter1138> hmm 20:49:38 * peter1138 testorises 20:51:57 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 20:52:06 * peter1138 expects boomoring 20:53:14 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-200-181.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:53:28 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:53:42 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E830.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:54:10 <Sacro> evening all 20:54:24 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 20:54:25 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E830.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:00 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E830.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:55:38 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E830.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:56:17 *** dst_ [n=dennis@p213.54.85.140.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 20:57:14 <Darkvater> any java guru around? 20:57:58 <Sacro> fraid im not java experienced 20:58:18 <Darkvater> or perhaps anyone know how I can sort a List in Java with a certain key? 20:58:37 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7D658.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:59:22 <Darkvater> hmm 20:59:34 <Sacro> qsort springs to mind, dunno why 20:59:39 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.20.201] has quit ["Sleep [Time wasted online: 7hrs 16mins 24secs]"] 20:59:44 <Darkvater> JAVA 21:00:05 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E830.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:00:30 <Rubidium> Darkvater: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/java/util/Collections.html#sort(java.util.List,%20java.util.Comparator) 21:00:41 <XeryusTC> Darkvater: irc://irc.tweakers.net/bikkels ask rjb (if he's in) 21:00:49 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E830.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:01:11 <Darkvater> yeah, was thinking about Comparator 21:01:15 <Darkvater> hopefully this works 21:01:27 <Sacro> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/collections/algorithms/index.html#sorting 21:02:25 <Darkvater> you know that doesn't really help 21:02:29 <Darkvater> very confusing for java newbies 21:07:42 <Sacro> hmm 21:07:51 <Sacro> openttd is quite confusing for C newbies 21:07:57 *** Morlark [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:10:24 <Darkvater> yaay it compiles 21:10:36 <Darkvater> spamalert 21:10:37 <Darkvater> class DateComparator implements Comparator { 21:10:37 <Darkvater> public final int compare(Object a, Object b) throws ClassCastException { 21:10:37 <Darkvater> if (!(a instanceof Blog) || !(b instanceof Blog)) 21:10:37 <Darkvater> throw new ClassCastException("Blog object required"); 21:10:39 <Darkvater> return ((Blog)a).getLastChange().compareTo(((Blog)b).getLastChange()); 21:10:42 <Darkvater> } 21:10:47 <MiHaMiX> hmm 21:10:53 <MiHaMiX> sniplet from a mail: 21:10:55 <MiHaMiX> By the way, I remembered in the nightly build r2424i24 that there was a day/night effect that seems to have disapeared in the latest version. I just wanted to talk about it to you because on an online game, I met other players that didn't seems to have any problems with the game, but that there was no day/night change. So, if it was a bug.......I am just telling you that...^^ 21:11:02 <MiHaMiX> are we know something about it? 21:11:33 <Darkvater> }someone probably used the night-graphics 21:11:41 <glx> old integrated nightly btw 21:11:49 <Darkvater> http://users2.tt-forums.net/ttdur/ttdur.htm 21:11:51 <Darkvater> bottom 21:12:00 <Sacro> can a HTML form have 2 submit buttons with different targets? 21:12:11 <MiHaMiX> ahh 21:12:22 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: different targets? 21:12:31 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: you mean, value? 21:12:34 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: of course 21:13:07 <Sacro> hmm, i know how to define the target in a <form> tag, do i do embedded <form> ? 21:13:10 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 21:13:55 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: forms within forms are discouraged 21:14:09 <Sacro> MiHaMiX: yeah, i had the feeling that wasnt the best idea 21:15:40 <Darkvater> OMG 21:15:59 <Darkvater> why is java so fucking stupid? or I expect it to be too good? 21:16:07 <Zr40> Sacro: you might be able to adjust the form action via javascript 21:16:11 <Sacro> Darkvater: most likely both 21:16:11 <Zr40> Darkvater: try C# 21:16:16 <Darkvater> list.sublist(0, 10) gives error if there are less than 10 items in the list 21:16:26 <Sacro> Zr40: i dont know javascript, was hoping to just get by with php 21:16:56 <Zr40> Sacro: what are you trying to do with the two submit buttons? 21:17:20 <Sacro> Zr40: one to preview, one to submit 21:17:44 <Zr40> you need to specify different values to each submit 21:17:56 <Sacro> yeah, probably 21:18:05 <Zr40> make sure they both have the same name 21:18:11 <Sacro> yeah 21:18:24 <Zr40> and check for its value in PHP like any other input :P 21:18:36 <glx> yeah that works fine 21:18:55 <Sacro> but how can i pass the data to different forms? 21:19:01 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.homeip.net:8080/weblog_tomcat/app < behold the future of webdesign 21:19:08 <Darkvater> java + tomcat + hsqldb + tapestry 21:19:24 <Sacro> Darkvater: your bottom bar is in the wrong place 21:19:33 <Darkvater> yeah, CSS fucked up I know 21:19:39 <Darkvater> already framed the guy about it 21:19:47 <Zr40> Darkvater: don't tell me *you* made that 21:20:03 <Darkvater> I just did the backend 21:20:10 <Darkvater> dynamic tapestry/database stuff 21:20:37 * Zr40 wonders... 21:20:44 <Zr40> how many lines of code did you waste? ;) 21:21:06 <Darkvater> lemme see 21:21:20 <Darkvater> about 500 21:21:35 <Zr40> and how big is that tapestry stuff? :P 21:21:55 <Sacro> btw, didnt mean form target, i meant form action 21:22:08 <Darkvater> tapestry is HUGE, but very powerful 21:22:11 <Zr40> wohoo, exception 21:22:13 <Zr40> http://darkvater.homeip.net:8080/weblog_tomcat/app?component=rightpanel.random_link&page=Home&service=direct&sp=0 21:22:21 <Darkvater> total tapestry code is about 70-80 lines I think 21:22:26 <Darkvater> yeah I know, didn't say it was done 21:22:30 <Darkvater> was more sarcastic 21:23:01 <Sacro> can you use onclick() with php code? 21:23:16 <Zr40> Sacro: what do you mean? :P 21:23:41 <XeryusTC> php is server side, so you can't really get user input when he is viewing the page 21:23:46 <Zr40> Darkvater: when you say HUGE, what kind of huge can I imagine? :) 21:23:47 <Sacro> grr, im tired, angry, and i have depression, doesnt make for useful programming ideas 21:24:38 <Darkvater> Zr40: about 1MB of jar files 21:24:45 <Zr40> hmm 21:25:08 <Darkvater> but it's nice. You can validate forms with 2 lines of code, do transformations, etc. etc. 21:25:12 <Darkvater> just..bleh java 21:25:28 <Zr40> and your 500 lines compiles as? (just to get some idea of the size :)) 21:25:37 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A10C.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:25:43 <Darkvater> hmm lemme see 21:27:09 <Darkvater> I gotta find out how to get total space used by ls 21:27:47 <Darkvater> he screw that 21:27:48 <Zr40> du is your friend 21:27:52 <Darkvater> windows to the rescue 21:27:54 <Darkvater> oh yeah 21:28:06 <Darkvater> 87KB 21:31:00 <Zr40> hmm 21:31:06 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 21:31:29 <Zr40> is that a single file, or multiple? 21:32:26 * Zr40 assumes multiple 21:32:53 <Darkvater> multiple 21:33:38 <Sacro> grr, how can you get a form to submit the value of the submit buttno 21:33:48 <Zr40> Sacro: the submit button needs a name 21:34:06 <peter1138> where was i? 21:34:07 <Zr40> else it won't submit ;) 21:34:32 <Zr40> well... it does submit, but it doesn't submit *itself* ;) 21:36:27 <Sacro> Zr40: well, its got a value 21:36:38 <Zr40> just a value isn't enough 21:36:49 <Zr40> if you want it to show up in $_POST, it needs: 21:36:55 <Zr40> a name, a value and a click :D 21:37:17 <Zr40> (unless there's just one submit, then pressing enter counts too) 21:37:20 <Sacro> damnit, the w3c documentation says that too 21:38:28 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 21:41:00 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 21:41:44 <peter1138> Darkvater: that ttdp savegame that doesn't work... i'd guess it's the rail owner of the level crossing 21:43:10 <Sacro> hmm, sounds like a problem 21:45:02 <peter1138> yeah, it is 21:45:58 <peter1138> however 21:46:00 <peter1138> 22:46 21:46:03 <peter1138> sleepy time 21:47:01 *** [1]Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-155-118.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:49:42 <[1]Sacro> back again 21:50:04 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-200-181.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:50:12 *** [1]Sacro is now known as Sacro 21:50:12 <Darkvater> peter1138: could be, didn't go that far into it 21:57:19 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 21:59:27 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has quit ["Bunchie!"] 21:59:35 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|sleep 22:04:57 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54944CD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["n8"] 22:19:17 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Goodbye"] 22:21:19 <black_Nightmare> why are there iron ore mines that only makes 18 tonnes??? lol jeeze 22:21:28 <black_Nightmare> like as if thats just enough for one or two iron ore trucks alone 22:21:33 <black_Nightmare> :p 22:21:45 <Patrick`> feed from them and they grow 22:22:34 *** norbert79 [n=Norbi@3e44b5b1.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #openttd 22:22:40 <norbert79> Hi everyone 22:22:52 <norbert79> Guys, I have just seen something very unusual on one of the servers 22:23:10 <Sacro> ooh, go on 22:23:11 <norbert79> check this out: http://w3.enternet.hu/mihaly52/20060417.png 22:23:18 <Born_Acorn> It wasn't Sandra Bullock, was it? 22:23:22 <norbert79> nah :) 22:23:38 <Sacro> what a strange layout 22:23:44 <norbert79> no, check out the train 22:24:01 <Born_Acorn> Trains can go through themselves, I believe. 22:24:04 <Patrick`> yes 22:24:07 <black_Nightmare> patrick....really? hmm.... 22:24:12 <norbert79> besides, not even mentioning its length 22:24:13 <Patrick`> I tried to change the collision detection code once 22:24:18 <norbert79> yes, thats what I mean 22:24:19 <Born_Acorn> There is no crash detection 22:24:30 <Born_Acorn> (with itself) 22:24:36 <norbert79> anywaay, is it possible to build such long trains? 22:24:36 <Patrick`> if you set trains to crash with themselves then they all spontaneously crash at the same time 22:24:54 <black_Nightmare> hmm....maybe I'll try load this iron ore mine later and see 22:25:18 <Patrick`> also, signals every 1 tile is bad 22:25:23 <Patrick`> it doesn't look nice 22:25:32 <Patrick`> and it's crappy in multiplayer 22:25:55 <black_Nightmare> agreed 22:25:57 <norbert79> I wanted to remark you about the fact that the train can go trough itself :) 22:26:09 <black_Nightmare> I usually go with 2 to 4 depending on what type of trains it'll usually be 22:26:51 <black_Nightmare> sometimes for lazy slow lines I space them just close enough intervals for the trains to clear others 22:26:56 *** csuke [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:27:32 <Sacro> norbert79: trains can be up to 100 long 22:27:42 <Patrick`> yeah 22:28:00 <Patrick`> the code for that would be non-trivial and it's rare enough that noone cares 22:29:01 <norbert79> I think the crash-code detection should be improved, this way you can build very long trains, without checking, if it will fit on the rails 22:30:22 <Patrick`> well, here's a guide to programming in C 22:30:24 <Patrick`> I won't stop you 22:30:36 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-211-247.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 22:30:52 <norbert79> :) I have time to report this as a bug, not more :) 22:31:00 <black_Nightmare> well nobert...real trains can't go through themself? :p 22:31:03 <black_Nightmare> hehe just teasing 22:31:09 <norbert79> Never tried ;-) 22:31:10 <Patrick`> put it as very low :D 22:31:29 <norbert79> But you gave me an idea 22:31:39 <norbert79> All I need is a pistol, a pantyhose, and a train 22:31:59 <Patrick`> and you'll make a working nuclear power statio 22:32:03 <Patrick`> we know, you're macguyver 22:32:39 <norbert79> MacGyver to be precise :) 22:32:50 <Patrick`> Pff 22:32:57 <norbert79> and what makes you think, I cant? :) 22:33:02 <norbert79> Just teasing you ;-) 22:35:06 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has joined #openttd 22:35:09 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:35:15 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has joined #openttd 22:36:57 <black_Nightmare> one thing I wonder is about being able to have different rail types in the same diagonal tile....anyone? 22:37:07 <Patrick`> nope 22:37:23 <Patrick`> having 2 diagonals in one tile is an appalling ghastly bizzare hack anyway 22:37:30 <Patrick`> it'll only support 1 signal type as well 22:37:39 <black_Nightmare> meh and several of my monorails are single-tile tight curves because they wouldn't follow the rails 22:37:47 <black_Nightmare> oh well 22:37:54 <Patrick`> tight curves kill speed though 22:37:57 <Patrick`> I can't stand them 22:37:58 <black_Nightmare> was worth mentioning it 22:38:16 <Patrick`> I only have them on rarely-frequented offramps where the train has already left the mainline before it slows down 22:38:49 <black_Nightmare> at least...the ability for diagonal tracks under bridge could help me a lot...in some previous plays I had to make small S curves just to cross another track via bridge/tunnel 22:39:04 <Patrick`> diagonals under bridges I think it coming 22:39:09 <Patrick`> but: don't ever have bridges 22:39:18 <Patrick`> you can put a tunnel underneath diagonal rail no problem 22:39:23 <Patrick`> and tunnels have no speed limits 22:39:28 <Patrick`> and they don't clutter up the landscape 22:39:30 <norbert79> two different types of rail in diagonal section would be nice 22:39:46 <norbert79> I like bridges 22:39:59 <black_Nightmare> well actually I meant tunnels as for to cross another track.... 22:40:19 <black_Nightmare> like say you have a parallel mainline (but they're not connected to others) then the left one needs to turn right and head that way somehow 22:40:20 <norbert79> I know, yet it is sometimes not possible 22:40:39 <black_Nightmare> being able to build diagonal tracks under bridge should make that easier ^^^ 22:41:12 <norbert79> yes, yet I also vote for two different types of rail in one diagonal section 22:41:16 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a41633.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:41:21 <norbert79> I was sometimes in the situation 22:41:28 <norbert79> where it would have been very useful 22:42:05 <norbert79> just an idea... 22:42:11 <black_Nightmare> norbert...heh yeah..you can build rail and maglevl parallel in straight places but... when it comes to making diagonal.....UGH! ^_^ 22:42:18 <Patrick`> norbert, it's not a democratic decision 22:42:28 <Patrick`> that type of overlay depends on maprewrite 22:43:41 <norbert79> as I have wrote, it was just an idea 22:44:04 <Patrick`> yeah, I'd love to have a car that fried bacon as well 22:44:29 <norbert79> Ask an arabic guy 22:44:37 <norbert79> Maybe he can afford it to you :) 22:45:22 <norbert79> I bet, they could also afford it to have two different types of rail in one diagonal section... ...in real life! :)) 22:46:02 <Patrick`> filthy rich and catflap 22:46:02 <Patrick`> :D 22:46:54 <norbert79> I think they have more oil-fields, than in one TTD map on 1024*1024 tileset 22:46:55 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 22:50:34 <norbert79> dang, I wanted to play on a 2048*2048 tileset 22:50:37 <norbert79> made my X freeze 22:50:43 <norbert79> almost 22:50:49 <norbert79> Lost the control for the mouse tho 22:51:04 <norbert79> Game freezed totally 22:51:30 <norbert79> have to restart X... Brb 22:51:32 *** norbert79 [n=Norbi@3e44b5b1.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit ["Connection reset by beer"] 22:52:50 *** norbert79 [n=Norbi@3e44b5b1.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #openttd 22:52:56 <norbert79> re 22:58:09 <christooss> Hello Im really glad that translator is back :) I rally hope that my account will be activated fast :) 22:59:27 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-211-247.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 23:00:46 <Sacro> is 100.0.0.8 a valid IP? 23:00:57 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:01:17 <norbert79> yes 23:01:30 <norbert79> it it is not above 255 23:01:48 <Patrick`> and it is not in the private range 23:01:58 <Patrick`> you may be thinking of 10.0.0.8 which is not valid on the internet 23:02:18 <norbert79> well, it looks a private IP to me 23:02:20 <Patrick`> but is in one of the blocks reserved for private use 23:02:30 <Sacro> yeah, thought it might be a private usage one 23:02:36 <norbert79> are we talking about 10. or 100.? 23:02:37 <Patrick`> 100.0.0.8 just looks to me like a typo of 10.0.0.8 23:02:38 <Sacro> my mate trying to access something at uni 23:02:43 <Patrick`> 100. is a valid internet 23:02:58 <Patrick`> if it's at uni, then the uni probably uses the 10.x subnet internally 23:03:02 <norbert79> seems to me too more a private IP 23:03:06 <norbert79> yes 23:03:06 <Patrick`> in which case, no, he won't be able to access it from outside 23:03:07 <Sacro> well i cant ping it 23:03:12 <Sacro> thought not 23:03:20 <norbert79> more a typo 23:03:31 <norbert79> or a network admin with a very original sense of humor 23:03:51 <Patrick`> hah 23:03:53 <Patrick`> yeah 23:04:06 <Patrick`> 100.x is owned by someone, let me check 23:04:18 <Sacro> Patrick`: cheers 23:04:28 <Sacro> WHOIS might say 23:05:09 <Patrick`> unknown 23:05:39 <norbert79> check your connections too 23:05:41 <norbert79> netstat 23:07:42 <Sacro> nah, dont matter 23:08:01 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176116132.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 23:08:53 <Patrick`> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space 23:09:30 <Patrick`> ok 23:09:43 <Patrick`> IANA have reserved 92.x thru 120.x 23:09:59 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:10:51 <Patrick`> why the hell do the USPS need a class A 23:11:55 <Vornicus> Because of all the computers they use to deal with mail. 23:12:29 <Vornicus> I don't know, really. 23:12:52 <Patrick`> that list is hilarious 23:13:02 <Patrick`> IANA have just, like, reserved 1/4 of the internet 23:13:09 <Patrick`> for fun 23:13:14 <Patrick`> and haliburton has a class A 23:13:32 <Vornicus> IANA is the folks that do this stuff. I think they have a better reason than "for fun" 23:13:49 <Patrick`> if I was the IANA I'd do stuff for fun 23:15:05 <norbert79> I am curious, why the US wants to be the highest leader of the net... 23:15:15 <norbert79> they never wanted to give away this role 23:15:15 <Vornicus> norbert: because they invented it. 23:15:30 <norbert79> thats not right in its form 23:15:51 <Vornicus> what? 23:15:55 <Patrick`> I think that's pretty much a "they win" argument, anyway 23:17:49 <norbert79> A bit offtopic: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/93678/family_guy/ 23:17:50 <Vornicus> Anyway the reason IANA has so much of the internet as reserved is probably because nobody has up and asked for these chunks. 23:17:57 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 23:18:07 <Vornicus> they are the folks that assign IP chunks. 23:18:41 <Patrick`> noone actually needs them 23:19:13 <Vornicus> evidently. 23:19:35 <norbert79> Just think about it, how many OpenTTD Servers could beeing opened from so many IPs... 23:19:44 <norbert79> Sweet... 23:19:45 <norbert79> ;-) 23:19:54 <Patrick`> we'd need a lot of people to play them 23:22:30 <norbert79> thats brutal 23:22:30 <norbert79> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/84870/bugs_bunny/ 23:22:34 <norbert79> but funny :) 23:22:41 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 23:24:35 <Patrick`> hahaha 23:32:56 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:38:40 <Sacro> nn 23:38:40 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-155-118.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The future of IRC"] 23:41:13 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 23:41:54 <RichK67> Darkvater: ping 23:49:23 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E830.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:50:28 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498D37E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:54:17 *** Andrew67 [i=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by implosion"] 23:58:01 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498D37E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"]