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00:03:44 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x53589062.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:07:33 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@AC8F1DAF.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 00:08:23 <Hackykid> hmm, what does "Smooth economy 5147 in MiniIN" do? 00:11:07 <RichK67> it controls how responsive the industries are to your service level 00:11:21 <RichK67> at a high setting, it can increase a LOT 00:11:48 <RichK67> so a 144 coal may be 2000+ after 50 years of service 00:11:51 <Hackykid> aah, i see the setting for it now 00:11:58 <Sacro> ooh 00:12:10 <Hackykid> let tune it down a bit 00:12:25 <Hackykid> my network will be crammed with trains already without that heh 00:13:22 <Hackykid> i indeed noticed some thingies almost doubling prod in a 10 year period or so 00:13:29 <Hackykid> way too easy :-p 00:14:05 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 00:14:33 <Sacro> grr, #winehq is dead 00:16:42 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-3431.bb.online.no] has quit ["Bunchie!"] 00:21:01 <CIA-3> richk * r5208 /branch/MiniIN/ (28 files in 6 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk: 5186-5203. 00:32:46 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.20.133] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 00:32:53 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.20.133] has joined #openttd 00:48:28 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a85-156-237-102.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 00:49:17 <glx> [D]Shaman: so you can close the server :) 00:49:22 <Sacro> hmm 00:49:51 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:49:59 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.20.133] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 00:50:11 <[D]Shaman> glx: nah, going to leave it running 00:50:17 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.20.133] has joined #openttd 00:50:19 <[D]Shaman> It's supposed to be running non-stop anyways 00:50:41 <Eddi|zuHause> get brianettas autopilot 00:50:56 <Eddi|zuHause> for pause on no players and stuff 00:50:57 <RichK67> cya all 00:51:01 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 00:51:15 <[D]Shaman> Eddi|zuHause: Eh, twas a test if it worked :P 00:51:20 <[D]Shaman> so i'm going to leave it running 00:51:25 <[D]Shaman> if it crashes I'll find out tomorrow 00:51:31 <[D]Shaman> and inform RichK of it 00:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, sure... 00:51:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean in the future 00:51:50 * [D]Shaman nods 00:51:54 <[D]Shaman> on my to-do list yeh :p 00:52:03 <[D]Shaman> I'll be running a Dedicated MiniIN server soon 00:53:39 <Eddi|zuHause> btw... it's impressive that none of my code changes caused desync 00:55:12 <[D]Shaman> heh 00:55:41 <[D]Shaman> planes make awesome profit 00:55:43 <[D]Shaman> :P 00:55:56 <Eddi|zuHause> most of them should be just visual... like catenary height, and no fences 00:56:11 <Eddi|zuHause> but i have lost overview what is actually changed where 00:56:21 <Eddi|zuHause> in which ottd version i have 00:56:33 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a85-156-237-102.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 00:56:46 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 00:57:48 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a85-156-237-102.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 01:01:19 <[D]Shaman> my plane profits went from 0 to 100k to now 450k 01:01:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i should check mine ;) 01:01:55 <[D]Shaman> 186k 01:02:17 <[D]Shaman> ooo desync? 01:02:48 <[D]Shaman> again 01:02:56 <Eddi|zuHause> fun... 01:04:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm trying a clean compile 01:05:30 <Eddi|zuHause> taking forever... 01:06:21 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: dont worry, im sat compiling mingw 01:06:26 <Eddi|zuHause> ah... i know 01:06:30 <Eddi|zuHause> wrong .cfg 01:06:42 <Sacro> compiler compiling takes aaaaaages 01:09:39 <XeryusTC> compiling yapf takes ages o_O 01:11:54 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["leaving"] 01:12:13 <Sacro> hmmm,im sure binutils has run ./configure 3 times 01:13:01 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:14:57 <[D]Shaman> now 700k will probably end up at 750k at end of year 01:16:34 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:25:56 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:39:54 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 01:59:31 *** Magus_X [i=t7DS@201-40-137-57.paebv700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 02:04:43 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-177-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:05:42 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 02:26:46 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:28:06 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 02:28:17 <Hagbard_Ub> Right channel :D 02:29:56 <Sacro> Hagbard_Ub: sure? 02:30:03 <Hagbard_Ub> Yes... :D 02:30:25 <Hagbard_Ub> I'm trying to get my dedicated server to work... 02:30:27 <Sacro> err...good on ya :D 02:30:31 <Sacro> ahh fun 02:30:40 <Hagbard_Ub> got it to load the right scenario... so i think i got it... 02:32:05 <Hagbard_Ub> time for bed 02:32:07 <Hagbard_Ub> nite 02:32:21 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has left #openttd ["Leaving"] 02:47:32 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has quit [] 02:53:40 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.20.133] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 02:56:38 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 04:07:11 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Sleep, glorious sleep, safe sleep, in the back of a Volvo, sleep, why can't I sleep, i feel like a dead battery, nobody do any"] 04:45:08 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 05:32:22 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387C190.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 05:36:11 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has joined #openttd 05:37:11 *** arex [i=q@v133c.studby.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 05:37:47 <arex> Hi :) What influences what actions are availibe in the local authority section? 06:05:34 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 06:11:58 <Noldo> size of the town atleast 06:12:21 <arex> aha, thank you 06:12:42 <arex> how can i get a town to build a bank faster? (except for making it bigger) 06:31:54 <CIA-3> tron * r5209 /branch/bridge/docs/ (landscape.html landscape_grid.html): Update the documentation about bridges 06:34:37 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181071057.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 06:58:44 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:58:45 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 07:03:17 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 07:19:05 *** jonty_comp [i=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 07:19:19 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 07:19:39 *** jonty_comp is now known as jonty-comp 07:20:49 <peter1138> morning 07:25:17 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 07:33:26 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:33:56 *** jonty_comp [n=jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 07:34:08 *** jonty_comp is now known as jonty-comp 07:53:54 *** Tammy [n=Allan@matl-hci-d183.ethz.ch] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:57:57 <MiHaMiX> morning? bahh :D 07:58:23 <Noldo> morning 07:59:35 <MiHaMiX> it's 10:00am here 07:59:42 <Noldo> 11 here 08:00:56 <MiHaMiX> well, the main problem that in hungarian the morning only refers to that time interval of the day which ands at 9:00 am 08:01:07 <MiHaMiX> s/ands/ends/ 08:01:25 <Noldo> oh 08:01:46 <Noldo> my wife and I have different view of what afternoon means 08:01:47 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 08:02:00 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-852.l3.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:02:29 <MiHaMiX> afterwards (before 12:00) is called beforenoon ('délelõtt') :) 08:03:04 <Noldo> in finnish the word for afternoon is nightday :D 08:03:12 <MiHaMiX> :)) 08:04:07 <Tefad> interesting 08:04:08 <MiHaMiX> afternoon is délután, which ends at 18:00 :) 08:04:20 <Noldo> and I think it's from noon to the time when night starts 08:04:36 <Tefad> afternoon is 12- 16~18 for me 08:04:36 <Noldo> which is somewhere 17-18 08:04:37 <MiHaMiX> after that (evening = este), which ends at 22:00 08:05:01 <Tefad> evening ends at 00 08:05:13 <MiHaMiX> 22:00 - 06:00 is night (éjszaka) 08:05:32 <Noldo> to my wife nightday starts about 1400 and ends somewhere 18-19 08:05:33 <Tefad> some say morning is 00-12 08:05:40 <MiHaMiX> 06:00-09:00 is morning (reggel) 08:05:47 <Tefad> though morning for most is 03-12 08:06:04 <Tefad> night is 21-03 or so 08:06:23 <MiHaMiX> Tefad: so you're usually get up at around 03:00? :) 08:06:37 <Tefad> no but if i'm awake then i'll refer to it as morning 08:06:41 <Tefad> or late night 08:06:45 <Tefad> just depends on mood. 08:07:04 <MiHaMiX> :D 08:07:31 <Noldo> but basically it means we can't use the word nightday when talking to each other 08:07:39 <Noldo> or rather 'iltapäivä' 08:15:45 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 08:22:55 *** arex [i=q@v133c.studby.ntnu.no] has left #openttd [] 08:25:15 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 08:25:16 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit ["My BNC will keep you warm, vist #teamlag, #hexus.cs"] 08:25:54 <anboni> so since bridges got removed from trunk again recently, did they get removed from MiniIN too? 08:32:09 <iridium`nh> 'removed' ? 08:32:19 <iridium`nh> are they completely disabled? 08:32:50 <MiHaMiX> iridium`nh: no, just they undo the merge from bridge branch 08:33:25 <MiHaMiX> s/just they/they just/;s/from/with/ 08:33:32 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181088010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:34:31 <MiHaMiX> ehh, headache again.. 08:34:49 <MiHaMiX> bbl 08:36:04 <anboni> guess my question doesnt even matter much.. MiniIN doesnt want to load a savegame from my patched trunk game :( 08:37:48 <CIA-3> tron * r5210 /trunk/ (44 files in 6 dirs): Many small changes which piled up: const, unsigned, variable scope, CSE for readability, DeMorgan, if cascades -> switch, whitespace, parentheses, bracing, misc. 08:45:54 <peter1138> our coding guidelines still say const Player *p, not const Player* p 08:47:08 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:47:25 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181071057.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:48:32 <Hackykid> what is CSE if i might ask? 08:49:46 <Tron> Common Subexpression Elimination 08:49:57 <Hackykid> aah 08:57:27 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B819A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:01:08 *** tsimpa [n=icechat5@80-235-58-57-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 09:02:49 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-3431.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 09:05:33 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 09:12:39 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:16:19 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:22:14 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca257.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:22:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 09:34:43 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:39:06 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181088010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 09:45:47 <CIA-3> tron * r5211 /trunk/lang/ (24 files in 2 dirs): Remove stray minus after colon, i.e. :- -> : (in one case even a stray colon) 09:47:32 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:48:17 <CIA-3> tron * r5212 /trunk/lang/unfinished/afrikaans.txt: Afrikaans can be encoded in ISO8859-15, there's no need to make it unusable by encoding it in UTF-8 09:49:31 <MiHaMiX> Tron: it's the last time I ask you: don't do any changes on languages unless you contacted me _before_ 09:49:36 *** egladil [n=egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has quit [] 09:50:42 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947BE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:50:53 <Tron> the last time i contacted you about some changes and you commited them unchecked, so what? 09:52:14 <CIA-3> miham * r5213 /trunk/lang/unfinished/afrikaans.txt: [languages] reverted last change from tron 09:52:47 <MiHaMiX> Tron: there are certain changes which must be done from WT2 09:53:25 <Tron> do NOT revert my changes 09:53:58 <Tron> i explicitly changed the ISO tag in the file 09:54:02 <MiHaMiX> do not commit before my approval. 09:54:02 <Tron> that has to be enough 09:54:06 <Tron> the svn is the primary data source 09:54:15 <MiHaMiX> Tron: you know nothing about the internal state of wt2. 09:54:26 <Tron> everything else is below and has to work with the data from it 09:54:34 *** Tron was kicked from #openttd by MiHaMiX [stfu] 09:54:48 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D284.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:55:04 <Tron> ok, that was not funny 09:55:32 <Tron> i didn't insult you, i didn't use improper language, etc. 09:55:39 <Tron> explain the reason for your action 09:56:04 <CIA-3> miham * r5214 /trunk/lang/unfinished/afrikaans.txt: [languages] Re-done afrikaans change, this time proper 09:56:34 <MiHaMiX> Tron: wt2 was unable to parse the changes you made, since it's internal languages table contained UTF8 encoding for afrikaans language 09:56:49 <MiHaMiX> Tron: that's why I asked you not to commit languages before my approval 09:57:12 <MiHaMiX> Tron: last time when I simply committed your proposed changes there was no such change which endangered WT2 09:57:13 <Tron> super change 09:57:14 <Tron> really good 09:57:20 <Tron> it's EXACTLY the same change i did 09:57:27 <Tron> two totally useless commits 09:57:35 <MiHaMiX> Tron: yes, but BEFORE i commited, I changed the DB 09:57:41 <Tron> then change the internal table of yours 09:57:42 <MiHaMiX> Tron: so that WT2 is able to parse it again. 09:57:48 <MiHaMiX> Tron: I already changed. 09:57:59 <MiHaMiX> Tron: you're so heavy minded today... 09:58:13 *** wolf^_ [i=wolf@rev2.kamp.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 09:58:17 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has joined #openttd 09:58:20 <MiHaMiX> Tron: I must change the DB _before_ the change on SVN takes place 09:58:36 <MiHaMiX> Tron: otherwise WT2 can't follow the changes 09:58:46 <anboni> Tron, those two useless commits could've been prevented if you took your change through the proper channels.. (and that useless and uncalled for ban would've been prevented as well :) ) 09:59:17 <anboni> s/ban/kick/ 09:59:20 <MiHaMiX> Tron: OTOH, afrikaans is still in unfinished, so noone can use it just because it's iso8859-5 09:59:23 <MiHaMiX> Tron: OTOH, afrikaans is still in unfinished, so noone can use it just because it's iso8859-15 09:59:42 <MiHaMiX> Tron: and by the time afrikaans will be ready every language will use utf8 09:59:57 <MiHaMiX> Tron: so the _whole_ idea behind your commit was wrong. 10:01:08 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["And he disappears, like a fox, in the night."] 10:06:28 <MiHaMiX> Tron: moreover, FYI: WT2 has been fixed yesterday, so that no more {STRINGn} problem should occur. 10:07:14 <MiHaMiX> Tron: WT2 missed that particular code which should prevent wrong {STRINGn} commands, but yesterday I've implemented that 10:13:24 <Tron> you're talking about some not-yet existing future 10:13:41 <Tron> afrikaans can be used right now if it's in iso8859-15 10:14:13 <Tron> on the other hand nobody can test it when it's in UTF-8, except if he uses an unfinished development branch 10:14:36 <Tron> so the _whole_ idea behind my commit was correct 10:15:38 <MiHaMiX> Tron: so? could you please show me how can one use afrikaans with the latest nightly? 10:15:52 <MiHaMiX> Tron: assuming nightly will made of the latest revision now. 10:16:41 <MiHaMiX> Tron: unfinished languages are not available tu users because they are unfinished. 10:16:51 *** jonty-comp [n=jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [":o"] 10:18:40 <Tron> just use strgen 10:18:55 <Tron> it's in releases, not sure about nightlies, but if it's not there, it's a bug 10:18:55 <MiHaMiX> Tron: yes, but nightlies doesn't include that. 10:19:19 <peter1138> that requires the txt files. which also aren't in the nightlies 10:19:25 <Tron> at least now there's a way for a translator to see it in-game, before there wasn't 10:19:38 <Tron> peter1138: the translator can download a full .txt via WT2 10:19:58 <Tron> i have to go now, bbl 10:19:59 <MiHaMiX> Tron: the translator will be able to download the generated .lng file as well (just not yet) 10:22:53 *** ^Cartman [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-7912.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:27:11 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:36:21 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B63EAB.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 10:36:58 *** Hallo [n=me@141.24.48.94] has joined #openttd 10:37:19 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-3431.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:46:10 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5215 /branch/utf8/string.c: [utf8] Make str_validate() utf8 aware 10:47:01 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176119126.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:51:44 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:55:35 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-209-220.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:56:50 <Sacro> afternoon all 10:57:13 <[D]Shaman> lo 10:57:32 <Magus_X> Hey, Sacro: hi 10:57:39 <Magus_X> here is morning 10:57:40 <Magus_X> 07:57:36 10:58:00 <Hagbard_Ub> OMFG... 10:58:26 <Hagbard_Ub> The load -g "scenario/sweclockers3.scn" isn't that correct? 10:58:31 <[D]Shaman> 12:58 10:58:41 <Magus_X> :) 10:59:05 *** valhalla1zzw [n=valhalla@dsl68-30.fastxdsl.nl] has joined #openttd 10:59:17 <Hagbard_Ub> anyone know? 10:59:38 <Hagbard_Ub> it's load -g "scenario/map.scn" right? 10:59:40 <Magus_X> no idea 10:59:47 <[D]Shaman> from the console? 10:59:53 <Hagbard_Ub> yeha 10:59:57 <[D]Shaman> try 11:00:00 <[D]Shaman> load map.scn 11:00:03 <[D]Shaman> or 'load map' 11:00:28 <Hagbard_Ub> no such file/directory 11:00:34 <[D]Shaman> eh 11:00:40 <Hagbard_Ub> i'm in the openttd directory' 11:00:44 <[D]Shaman> 'ls' , check number of the scenario folder 11:00:47 <[D]Shaman> cd <number> 11:00:55 <[D]Shaman> ls, check number of map.scn 11:00:58 <[D]Shaman> load <number> 11:01:31 <Hagbard_Ub> but ls only check directories 11:02:07 <Hagbard_Ub> not files 11:02:13 <Hackykid> hmm, it does here? 11:02:25 <Hagbard_Ub> are you on 0.4.7 then? 11:02:44 <Hackykid> ah, nope 11:03:04 <Hagbard_Ub> i am 11:05:10 * Sacro is confused 11:05:27 <Hagbard_Ub> You on Windows or Linux or anything else? 11:05:56 <Hackykid> windows hete 11:05:59 <Hackykid> *here 11:06:04 <[D]Shaman> win32. 11:06:04 <Hagbard_Ub> kk 11:06:08 <Hagbard_Ub> linux <3 11:06:11 <[D]Shaman> it checks both files and directories. 11:06:15 <[D]Shaman> even on linux 11:06:19 <[D]Shaman> since my server does. 11:06:21 <Hagbard_Ub> not 0.4.7 11:06:28 <[D]Shaman> then.. upgrade? 11:06:38 <Hagbard_Ub> but i wan't the latest stable 11:06:48 <[D]Shaman> the latest nightly is pretty stable to me 11:06:55 <Hagbard_Ub> and all friends i play against has that 11:06:56 <Hackykid> its indeed weird in my 4.7 too 11:07:07 <Sacro> Hackykid: 4.7? 11:07:15 <Hagbard_Ub> Sacro, 0.4.7 11:07:20 <Hackykid> 0.4.7 11:07:29 <Hackykid> hmm, it does show savegames with ls 11:07:34 <Hackykid> but not scenarios 11:07:48 <[D]Shaman> Hagbard_Ub: make them all compile the latest miniIN nightly and play that :o 11:08:03 <Hagbard_Ub> [D]Shaman, nope 11:08:09 <Hagbard_Ub> better to use the 0.4.7 11:08:27 *** DarkSSH [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 11:08:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 11:08:29 <Hackykid> try renaming the scenario to .sav? :-p 11:08:51 <Hackykid> well, it might even work 11:09:04 <DarkSSH> he so what was revision 5212-5214? :) 11:09:23 <DarkSSH> orudge: ah that's a nice amount, thanks for sorting it out :) 11:09:41 <Tron> DarkSSH: much ado about nothing 11:09:48 <Hackykid> indeed 11:09:52 <Tron> DarkSSH: they're bitwise identical 11:10:17 <DarkSSH> I love the commit message though 11:10:28 <DarkSSH> Re-done afrikaans change, this time proper" < hehe 11:10:34 *** valhallazzzw [n=valhalla@dsl68-30.fastxdsl.nl] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:11:00 <Hackykid> very proper! and still exactly the same! 11:11:11 <DarkSSH> hilrs 11:11:14 <DarkSSH> hlrs 11:11:16 <peter1138> different things behind the scenes 11:11:52 <Sacro> right, caught up with the forum 11:12:05 <Tron> from the svn point of view (which is the only important) it's totally useless 11:12:19 *** tsimpa_ [n=icechat5@80-235-58-57-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 11:12:24 <Sacro> Tron: but i suppose it kept you amused for a while? 11:12:40 <DarkSSH> SGP: Oranje-gekte stoort kerkdiensten ^_^ 11:12:56 <DarkSSH> no I think r 5214 is the proper one 11:12:58 <DarkSSH> reasons? 11:13:02 <Qball> it should be forbidden 11:13:08 <DarkSSH> 1. 5214 is a better number than 5212 11:13:15 <DarkSSH> 2. the commit message says it's proper so it must be 11:13:34 <Qball> 3. it's fun to confuse 11:13:45 <DarkSSH> 4. It's Saturday 11:13:56 <Qball> 5. It's hot outside 11:14:37 <DarkSSH> 6. 6 11:14:44 <Qball> 6 11:14:45 *** DarkSSH is now known as Darkvater 11:15:49 <Tron> Darkvater: are you working on the terraform problem? 11:15:53 <valhalla1zzw> lol Darkvater 11:15:57 <valhalla1zzw> kill the SGP :p 11:16:17 <Darkvater> Tron: yes, hopefully. See there are some complications 11:16:23 <Darkvater> 1. it's my sister's Birthday today 11:16:29 <hylje> 2. o rly? 11:16:32 <Darkvater> 2. England's gonna play at 3PM 11:16:34 <valhalla1zzw> 3. pics 11:16:35 <valhalla1zzw> 4. specs 11:16:39 <Darkvater> 3. we're going out tonight 11:16:44 * Darkvater slaps valhalla1zzw 11:16:47 <valhalla1zzw> :D 11:16:51 <Magus_X> [Darkvater]: hey 11:16:55 <Qball> 5. age? 11:16:57 <Magus_X> its England vs ? 11:16:58 <Darkvater> she's probably too old for ya 11:17:02 <Darkvater> paraguay 11:17:06 <Magus_X> pff 11:17:07 <valhalla1zzw> so what, pics! 11:17:09 <Magus_X> 4x1 england 11:17:09 <Magus_X> : 11:17:10 <Magus_X> :D 11:17:16 <SpComb> There be SSH 11:17:20 <Magus_X> the final will be England vs Brazil 11:17:25 <Darkvater> lolz 11:17:29 <Magus_X> same chances 11:17:32 <Magus_X> for both team 11:17:33 <Darkvater> she's 24 btw o/ 11:17:40 <peter1138> too young 11:17:42 <Magus_X> at least it is what they are saying on my school 11:17:51 * Magus_X 16 11:18:19 <Qball> DV: well that isn't to old 11:18:20 <Darkvater> peter1138: we know YOU like old women ^^ 11:18:25 <valhalla1zzw> yesterday there was free beer at school :9 11:18:30 <peter1138> ;p 11:18:31 <Darkvater> Qball: well considering valhalla1zzw is about 16 11:18:36 <Magus_X> [valhalla1zzw]: :oo 11:18:41 <valhalla1zzw> 17 Darkvater :p 11:18:41 <Qball> who was talking about valhalla1zzw 11:18:44 * peter1138 wonders if Darkvater is the protective sort 11:18:51 *** valhalla1zzw is now known as valhallasw 11:18:55 * Darkvater isn't 11:18:56 <Qball> peter1138: lets put that to the test 11:19:01 <Qball> Darkvater: I give you 2 beers 11:19:02 <Magus_X> valhalla1zzw: when on your school there have a free sex, call me 11:19:03 <Magus_X> lol 11:19:04 <Darkvater> but I will definitely gut anyone who hurts my sister 11:19:19 <valhallasw> Magus_X: I've got better ways to get free sex 11:19:25 <Magus_X> [(valhallasw)]: :þ 11:19:27 <valhallasw> it's calles a 'girlfriend' 11:19:30 <valhallasw> called* 11:19:35 <Qball> that isn't free 11:19:39 <Qball> it's horrible expensive 11:19:42 <valhallasw> the sex is 11:19:44 <Magus_X> LOL!!!! 11:19:48 <Qball> the gf isn't 11:19:48 <valhallasw> the clothes are not 11:19:50 <Magus_X> Qball: thats the point! 11:19:55 <Magus_X> lol 11:20:16 <valhallasw> then try a one-night-stand, you bastard 11:20:27 <Magus_X> ah, lol 11:20:28 <Darkvater> Tron: so in short I will try to work on it today 11:20:32 <valhallasw> just don't compain if you get a STD 11:20:39 <Magus_X> "Hello, whats your name? wanna do sex with me?" 11:20:41 <Magus_X> lol 11:21:06 <Magus_X> STD? 11:21:44 <valhallasw> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_transmitted_disease 11:21:52 <Magus_X> ahh 11:21:59 <Magus_X> here is DST 11:22:06 <Magus_X> :P 11:22:14 <Tron> Daylight Savings Time? 11:22:18 <Magus_X> lol 11:22:19 <valhallasw> SOA here ^_^ 11:22:32 <Darkvater> ah Seer Open Asfaltbeton 11:22:33 <Magus_X> im brazilian :? 11:22:35 <Darkvater> ;p 11:22:36 <Magus_X> so 11:22:44 <Sacro> Darkvater: sister? 11:22:45 <valhallasw> lol Darkvater :D 11:23:09 <Darkvater> Sacro: meh? 11:23:10 <Magus_X> Doenças(disease) Sexualmente(Sexually) Transmissíveis(Transmitted) 11:23:38 * Sacro catches up 11:23:51 <Qball> and falls behind again 11:23:54 <valhallasw> Seksueel (Sexually) Overdraagbare (Transmittable) Aandoeningen (Diseases) 11:24:01 <Magus_X> o.O 11:24:03 <valhallasw> >:) 11:24:06 <Magus_X> wow 11:24:13 <Magus_X> someday i will learn deustch 11:24:14 <Magus_X> lol 11:24:19 <valhallasw> >:( 11:24:39 <Qball> deustch? 11:24:46 <Qball> what is that? 11:24:52 <valhallasw> dutch + deutsch? :+ 11:24:57 <Qball> I guess so 11:25:15 <Magus_X> ah 11:25:15 <Magus_X> lol 11:25:19 <Magus_X> sorry, deutsch 11:25:30 <Qball> why the f*** do you want to learn that 11:25:47 <Qball> that is just crazy talk 11:25:50 <valhallasw> SOA is not deutsch 11:25:51 <Magus_X> its a cool, interesting language 11:25:59 <valhallasw> it is dutch however 11:26:04 <Magus_X> Crazy? you dont saw nothing, try portuguese, LOL 11:26:28 <valhallasw> try latin 11:26:30 * Darkvater hints at Hungarian 11:26:39 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 11:26:44 <Magus_X> ah, latin is an exception 11:26:44 <Magus_X> lol 11:26:49 <Qball> or that crazy language bush tries to talk 11:27:01 <Darkvater> gibberish 11:27:01 <Magus_X> ah lol! 11:27:08 <MeusH> hi 11:27:23 <Magus_X> gibberish?! 11:27:32 <Magus_X> wtf? 11:27:38 <hylje> piglatin 11:27:44 <Magus_X> lol 11:27:55 * Qball is listening to Doors, The - People Are Strange 11:28:06 <Darkvater> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibberish 11:28:09 <MeusH> Tron: are you around? 11:28:18 <MeusH> Darkvater: do you know Tron's IP? 11:28:33 <Qball> ::1 11:28:42 * valhallasw agrees with Darkvater and points to finnish 11:29:09 <XeryusTC> MeusH: /dns Tron 11:29:11 * Darkvater disagrees with valhallasw about the finnish link 11:29:18 <valhallasw> :O 11:29:22 <Tron> MeusH: ? 11:29:29 <Darkvater> MeusH: wanna ddos? 11:29:32 <MeusH> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Tron <- was it you or some punk? 11:29:33 <hylje> moon language > u 11:29:45 <Hagbard_Ub> load -g "scenario/sweclockers3.scn" 11:29:45 <Hagbard_Ub> - Load a game by name or index. Usage: 'load <file | number>' 11:29:46 <MeusH> I mean, the latest change 11:29:53 <Darkvater> haha lol 11:30:00 <Hagbard_Ub> Isn't the first line correct? 11:30:16 *** tsimpa [n=icechat5@80-235-58-57-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:30:25 <Tron> MeusH: the same idiot who did the last vandalism 11:30:33 <Darkvater> I think we have someone who is not really into tron 11:30:34 <MeusH> okay I'll ban him 11:30:40 <MeusH> or not? 11:30:42 <Darkvater> Will kick you if you disagree with him. 11:31:03 <Qball> the info does look pretty accurate 11:31:28 <Darkvater> hmm it's someone finnish 11:31:38 <MiHaMiX> if so many people intersted about 5212-5214, I'll issue a statement 11:32:39 <peter1138> must be... SpComb! 11:32:44 <SpComb> lies 11:33:02 <Darkvater> burn the witch! 11:33:53 <Darkvater> btrb 11:38:24 *** MagusX [i=t7DS@201.41.25.102] has joined #openttd 11:38:32 <MagusX> hohoho, im back 11:38:34 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:39:24 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 11:40:50 <XeryusTC> Magus_X: it's a bit early for x-mas 11:46:43 <MagusX> :O 11:49:03 <MagusX> My team plays thuesday :D 11:49:33 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-852.l3.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:49:55 <Eddi|zuHause> is that inbetween tuesday and thursday? 11:50:09 *** Magus_X [i=t7DS@201-40-137-57.paebv700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:50:12 <Eddi|zuHause> we usually call that wednesday ;) 11:50:13 <MagusX> ah 11:50:15 <MagusX> Lol 11:50:16 <MagusX> sorry 11:50:21 <MagusX> my english sucks 11:50:46 <MeusH> cya 11:50:52 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Goodbye"] 11:51:20 <Hagbard_Ub> Explain: How do you load a .scn file? load -g "scenario/file.scn" won't work 11:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause> tried renaming it to .sav? 11:51:35 <Hagbard_Ub> It's displays the load --help 11:51:48 <Hagbard_Ub> I shouldn't have to do that FFS! 11:52:11 <Eddi|zuHause> well... it's probably a bug if that works ;) 11:52:19 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise it's... something else ;) 11:52:25 <Tron> works for me 11:53:01 <orudge> Darkvater: No problem ;) 11:53:36 <Hagbard_Ub> Just does that: 11:53:38 <Hagbard_Ub> load -g "scenario/sweclockers3.scn" 11:53:38 <Hagbard_Ub> - Load a game by name or index. Usage: 'load <file | number>' 11:54:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that won't change if you try the same thing 20 times :p 11:54:47 <Hagbard_Ub> huh? 11:54:50 <peter1138> Hagbard_Ub: -g is from the command line, not the console 11:55:08 <Hagbard_Ub> peter1138, ok... thank you for an answer.... 11:55:24 <Hagbard_Ub> well howto load a game from the console? 11:55:40 <Tron> exactly as the help describes it 11:55:40 <Hagbard_Ub> and i run it on linux so i don't have command line... Terminal... :D 11:55:53 <Hagbard_Ub> Tron, I don't get it??? 11:55:59 <Tron> load name/number 11:56:07 <Hagbard_Ub> i don't have a number? 11:56:21 <Hagbard_Ub> load sweclockers3.scn/what?! 11:56:41 <Tron> it works only for savegames 11:56:45 <Hagbard_Ub> ls and dir won't display numbers on my .scn files 11:57:11 <Tron> dir is just an alias for ls, it won't show anything different than ls 11:57:18 <Tron> and still: it works only for savegames 11:57:43 <Hagbard_Ub> You mean i can't load a map? 11:58:01 <MagusX> LOL 11:58:02 <MagusX> some maps 11:58:06 <MagusX> dont work at the nightly 11:58:10 <Hagbard_Ub> 0.4.7 11:58:14 <Hagbard_Ub> not nightly 11:58:23 <MagusX> strange 11:58:28 <MagusX> here almost all maps work 11:58:28 <Hagbard_Ub> don't tell me to get nightly 11:58:33 <MagusX> why? : 11:58:33 <MagusX> o 11:58:35 <MagusX> :o 11:58:40 <MagusX> get nightly 11:58:41 <MagusX> LOL 11:58:42 <Hagbard_Ub> cause i won't do it... 11:58:51 <Hagbard_Ub> I don't want nightly 11:58:57 <MagusX> what do you have against nightly? 11:58:59 <Hagbard_Ub> simple answer.... don't ask why 11:59:04 <Hagbard_Ub> niothing 11:59:08 <Hagbard_Ub> but i won't get it 11:59:15 <MagusX> i have both running here :P 11:59:16 <MagusX> btw 11:59:20 <MagusX> what map 11:59:23 <MagusX> you are trying to load? 11:59:40 <Hagbard_Ub> a custom.... 11:59:58 <Hagbard_Ub> it's in scenario and it's name is sweclockers3.scn 12:00:11 <MagusX> well 12:00:11 <Hagbard_Ub> scenario/sweclockers3.scn 12:00:14 <MagusX> can u dccsend to me? 12:00:17 <MagusX> to me test here 12:00:20 <Hagbard_Ub> wait 12:00:57 <Hagbard_Ub> accept... 12:01:03 *** joed [n=James@CPE-139-168-61-123.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:01:55 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Odletam do paralelniho vesmiru..."] 12:03:11 <Hagbard_Ub> MagusX, Accept... 12:04:59 <Hagbard_Ub> Why can't you do so I can load a fucking simple .scn file in dedicated server mode??? 12:05:04 <Hagbard_Ub> IS IT SO HARD? 12:05:31 <MagusX> ah 12:05:32 <MagusX> sorry 12:05:37 <MagusX> damn modem 12:05:45 <Hagbard_Ub> oh... 12:05:49 <MagusX> damn router 12:05:53 <MagusX> well... 12:05:55 <MagusX> what happens 12:05:59 <MagusX> when u try to load? 12:06:14 <Hagbard_Ub> load "scenario/sweclockers3.scn" 12:06:14 <Hagbard_Ub> scenario/sweclockers3.scn: No such file or directory. 12:06:16 <Hagbard_Ub> that 12:06:21 <Hagbard_Ub> when not using -g 12:06:39 <peter1138> ./openttd -D -g scenario/sweclockers3.scn ... 12:08:45 <Hagbard_Ub> peter1138, You're the best... Finally an answer that works 12:08:48 <Hagbard_Ub> Thanks! 12:11:19 <Hagbard_Ub> remove_company 0 <--- What's wrong? 12:12:30 <peter1138> 1 -- 8 12:13:07 <Hagbard_Ub> remove_company 1 12:13:07 <Hagbard_Ub> ERROR: command or variable not found 12:13:11 <Hagbard_Ub> won't work 12:13:22 *** Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 12:13:30 <Hagbard_Ub> oh well... shit on this... 12:13:36 <Hagbard_Ub> leaving 12:14:07 <Sacro> ? 12:14:45 <Hagbard_Ub> Someone get a real guide... that's working and is user friendly 12:15:01 <anboni> wiki.openttd.org 12:15:09 <anboni> you wont even have to register to write the article :) 12:15:22 <Hagbard_Ub> not in the mod for wiki 12:15:34 <Hagbard_Ub> have to take a shower... then go over to a friend 12:16:14 <[D]Shaman> wiki = good 12:16:19 <[D]Shaman> all you need to know is in there. 12:16:27 <[D]Shaman> and if it's not it's bound to be somewhere else. 12:16:36 <Sacro> tbh you can find most stuff out in here when theres people around 12:16:42 * Sacro considers /ping #openttd 12:16:43 <Hagbard_Ub> [D]Shaman, Well i know wiki... 12:17:03 <Hagbard_Ub> but not in the mood for writing an article 12:17:16 <[D]Shaman> you don't have to -write- one :o 12:17:24 <[D]Shaman> there's allready enough guides there to help with anything. 12:17:32 <Hagbard_Ub> Nope there 12:17:34 <Hagbard_Ub> 's not 12:17:39 <[D]Shaman> which one? 12:18:08 <Hagbard_Ub> for dedicated servers 12:18:26 <[D]Shaman> eh 12:18:27 <[D]Shaman> it's there. 12:18:42 <[D]Shaman> even -I- managed to get a dedicated server running 12:18:54 <Sacro> hmm, firefox has too many visited wikis 12:19:58 <[D]Shaman> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Dedicated_Servers 12:20:10 <[D]Shaman> there, took me longer to type wiki.openttd.org than to find it. 12:20:49 <[D]Shaman> has a link to all console commands 12:20:53 <[D]Shaman> has a link to some setup things 12:20:56 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:21:23 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-20-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 12:22:56 <anboni> i really wish the failure messages would be a bit more descriptive when trying to place a new industry 12:27:24 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B819A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:28:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Tron] by ChanServ 12:28:41 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@ksenos.fi] by Tron 12:28:48 *** ln- was kicked from #openttd by Tron [You know why] 12:29:22 <Tobin> "You know why" <--- Oh, now we're all curious. :P 12:29:56 <MagusX> All your base belong to us! 12:29:57 <Tron> wiki vandalism 12:30:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Tobin: you might get a clue from the backlog ;) 12:30:16 <hylje> "You might want to find out why" 12:30:32 <Tobin> I've been offline. 12:30:42 <Tobin> Only got back online 20 minutes ago. 12:31:36 <Tobin> anboni was the only person who spoke before I saw ln- get kicked. 12:33:03 <MiHaMiX> hmm.. 12:43:54 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:50:02 *** Quag_Neesh [n=Quag_Nee@cpc3-bolt5-0-0-cust237.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #OpenTTD 12:53:27 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-209-220.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 12:57:31 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-209-220.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:05:43 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B819A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:07:31 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:14:27 <Sacro> grrr, why cant i play openttd 13:14:54 <Hagbard_Ub> IP: 81.235.253.135 pass: swec 13:15:59 <MagusX> [(Hagbard_Ub)]: nightly? 13:16:06 <MagusX> or normal without newgrf? 13:16:11 <Hagbard_Ub> MagusX, 0.4.7 13:16:15 <Hagbard_Ub> newgrf? 13:16:23 <MagusX> forget Ç) 13:16:26 <MagusX> :)_ 13:16:34 <MagusX> [Hagbard_Ub]: your server? 13:16:34 <Hagbard_Ub> you from franc? 13:16:38 <Hagbard_Ub> MagusX, Yes 13:16:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: it must be *flip-flip* ... increased solar activity 13:16:40 <MagusX> good 13:16:43 <MagusX> i will go there i think 13:16:47 <Hagbard_Ub> kk 13:16:59 <Hagbard_Ub> it's a 1024x512 scenario 13:17:03 <MagusX> np 13:17:10 <MagusX> im newbie :( 13:17:10 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: well win32 under wine works faster than self compiled, with and without optimisation 13:17:17 <Hagbard_Ub> will restart later this night when i get home 13:17:31 <Sacro> and both i386 and i686 precompiled 13:17:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that is definitely your system that is screwed up ;) 13:17:37 <MagusX> [[Hagbard_Ub]]: ok then i will wait you restart the game 13:17:37 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: yeah... 13:17:48 <Hagbard_Ub> MagusX, It's newstarted 13:17:50 <MagusX> a 13:17:52 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 13:17:52 <MagusX> ok 13:17:58 <MagusX> im going 13:18:05 <Hagbard_Ub> just that i will restart it again later this day 13:18:08 <MagusX> you should try the newgrfs :) 13:18:12 <Sacro> i wonder if its SDL 13:18:16 <Eddi|zuHause> but except from saying, reinstall and configure correctly... there's not much i can do to help you... 13:18:32 <Hagbard_Ub> MagusX, Try to get someone more to play to... as i'm going to a friend and can't play 13:18:39 <MagusX> ahh 13:18:40 <MagusX> :( 13:18:49 <Hagbard_Ub> i will play later 13:18:54 <Hagbard_Ub> after the restart 13:19:09 <MagusX> ok 13:19:12 <MagusX> i will wait you then 13:19:21 <MagusX> see you later 13:19:38 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: i just run "./configure && make" 13:19:53 <Hagbard_Ub> MagusX, you can explore the map a bit.. 13:19:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean configure your system... not openttd ;) 13:20:00 <MagusX> i explored 13:20:02 <Hagbard_Ub> hehe 13:20:03 <MagusX> a lot of 'islands' 13:20:07 <Hagbard_Ub> yes 13:20:08 <Eddi|zuHause> there is nothing wrong with openttd ;) 13:20:16 <MagusX> :D 13:20:26 <Hagbard_Ub> and hills 13:20:32 <MagusX> [Hagbard_Ub]: newgrf are new graphics 13:20:33 <MagusX> new stations 13:20:35 <MagusX> new vehiclse 13:20:37 <MagusX> cles 13:20:44 <Hagbard_Ub> i have a extreeme hill and snow map to 13:20:45 <MagusX> well, you understood :) 13:20:48 <Hagbard_Ub> MagusX, okey 13:20:55 <Hagbard_Ub> i have the ones from TT 13:20:57 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: what can i do? 13:21:06 <Hagbard_Ub> well bye 13:21:09 <MagusX> [Hagbard_Ub]: bye... 13:21:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i told you... i have no clue ;) 13:21:41 <Sacro> ooh, i wonder what graphics im using 13:21:55 <MagusX> ¡!Sacro!¡: you installed the modules of your 3d card correclty? 13:21:59 <MagusX> *correctly 13:22:28 <MagusX> because shit happens 13:22:30 <MagusX> :D 13:23:27 <Sacro> 250 fps in glxgears 13:23:29 <Sacro> using sis driver 13:23:34 <MagusX> O.O 13:23:36 <MagusX> 250 13:23:39 <MagusX> LOL 13:23:47 <anboni> ouch 13:23:58 <MagusX> well... try a trident 3d 4mb 13:24:00 <Sacro> yeah, iknow 13:24:01 <MagusX> should be better 13:24:02 <MagusX> LOL 13:24:08 <Sacro> MagusX: its a flaptop 13:24:13 <MagusX> well 13:24:18 <MagusX> thats the reason 13:24:24 <MagusX> 250fps on glxgears 13:24:42 <MagusX> place more coal on it! 13:24:42 <Sacro> hmm 13:24:42 <MagusX> lol 13:25:00 <peter1138> fps on glxgears is pretty irrelevant 13:25:13 <MagusX> [peter1138]: not at this time 13:25:14 <peter1138> e.g. openttd doesn't use opengl... 13:25:19 <MagusX> but... 13:25:23 <MagusX> a SIS... 13:25:35 <MagusX> Shit Integrated System lol 13:25:43 <MagusX> [Sacro]: well 13:25:45 <anboni> peter1138, it's still a bit of an indication what the speed of the graphics system is, comperative to others 13:25:52 <MagusX> the game runs REALLY slow? 13:26:25 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 13:26:40 <peter1138> anboni: not really. software opengl is always slow... 13:26:57 <Sacro> MagusX: the win32 build is fine, but not linux 13:27:05 <MagusX> [Sacro]: thats weird 13:27:07 <Sacro> im wondering how to speed up sdl 13:27:22 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:27:22 <MagusX> well 13:27:25 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176097207.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:27:25 <orudge> Eek, my music patch has some 2000 revisions to be updated... 13:27:31 <Sacro> brb, gonna try using vesa 13:27:32 * orudge may have a look at that later 13:27:34 <MagusX> lol 13:27:36 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-209-220.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 13:28:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B754FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 13:28:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B754FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:29:14 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-209-220.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:29:43 <MagusX> [Sacro]: worked: 13:29:45 <MagusX> ? 13:31:18 <Sacro> its the sounds that are running slow 13:31:53 <MagusX> :/ 13:32:03 <MagusX> try using alsa drivers 13:32:11 <MagusX> *modules 13:33:19 <Sacro> its sdl 13:33:27 <Sacro> now how to tell sdl to use something else 13:33:49 <peter1138> export SDL_SOUNDDRIVER 13:34:18 <peter1138> also SDL_VIDEODRIVER=dga, if you're ok with fullscreen only (and suid root, urgh) 13:34:23 <peter1138> (and not nvidia. fuckers.) 13:35:24 <Sacro> mwahahaha 13:35:32 <Sacro> SDL_SOUNDDRIVER=alsa 13:35:45 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:36:00 <Sacro> and now she works 13:36:03 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:36:11 <anboni> sweet 13:38:05 <anboni> i'm glad this local authority was quite happy with getting 1000s of cactii dumped around their town :) 13:38:23 <MagusX> ((Sacro)): i told u 13:38:23 <MagusX> :) 13:38:50 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176119126.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:39:01 <MagusX> alsa rocks 13:39:22 <peter1138> hmm 13:39:27 <peter1138> it's hot 'n' breezy 13:39:28 <Sacro> argghgh BUMS 13:39:36 <Sacro> i cant listen ot music now cos opentted is using alsa 13:39:40 <MagusX> lol 13:39:56 <peter1138> -s null? 13:40:35 <Sacro> peter1138: but ive only just got it working :'( 13:43:29 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:43:43 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:44:22 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:47:47 *** joed [n=James@CPE-139-168-61-123.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Client exiting"] 13:50:57 <Qball> a decent card that does hw mixing? 13:50:57 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 13:52:10 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 13:55:58 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:15 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 13:57:09 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 14:01:53 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of card does NOT do that? 14:02:29 <anboni> an ancient laptop card? 14:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause> with his specs, it can't be that ancient... 14:03:27 <peter1138> well 14:03:32 <anboni> good point 14:03:34 <peter1138> directx will just software mix... 14:03:49 <peter1138> alsa needs extra configuration to do that 14:04:19 <MagusX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad OMGGGG, check the Casualties o.O 14:04:25 <Eddi|zuHause> you see... that is exactly the reason why i like windows ;) 14:04:36 <Eddi|zuHause> it does most common tasks automatically 14:05:02 <MagusX> died more soldiers on stalingrad, a lot more than omaha 14:05:09 <MagusX> o.O 14:05:10 <Eddi|zuHause> of course, there are a dozen reasons why i hate windows... but well... 14:05:10 <Tron> Linux and sound support is a neverending story 14:06:49 <Eddi|zuHause> MagusX: of course... because most of germanys army was focused against the communist russians... and the russians don't care about masses of dead soldiers... there are more where they came from 14:07:06 <MagusX> yeah..., if you leave from the battle 14:07:14 <MagusX> you get killed by your teammates 14:07:15 <MagusX> o.o 14:07:28 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:08:54 <Eddi|zuHause> leaving from battle in war times? that is immediate death sentence 14:09:01 <MagusX> well 14:09:18 <MagusX> at least on the other Theaters you could leave with a chance of survive 14:09:33 <MagusX> if you leave from battle in russian army... you are dead meat 14:09:54 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: its a few years old this laptop 14:13:14 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:21:46 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181088010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:28:19 *** ^Cartman is now known as ^Cartman^ 14:39:01 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181088010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 14:45:00 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-254-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:57:28 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-177-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:22:10 *** Hacky-Kid [n=Hackykid@MagnaView1.iae.nl] has joined #openttd 15:23:40 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:28:36 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Odletam do paralelniho vesmiru..."] 15:40:05 <hylje> CIA-3: who are you 15:40:08 <hylje> hmph 15:40:16 <hylje> CIA-3: info 15:41:08 <hylje> stupid me 15:41:31 *** Hacky-Kid [n=Hackykid@MagnaView1.iae.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:42:07 * peter1138 kicks CIA-3 15:42:07 <CIA-3> ow 15:52:05 <Darkvater> jezus what did england play a boooring game 15:52:20 <Darkvater> they couldn't even score themselves 15:52:28 <Darkvater> and I fell asleep :s 15:53:12 <peter1138> fool 15:53:17 <peter1138> should've been coding :) 15:54:05 <Darkvater> indeed...waste of time 15:54:51 <MagusX> lol 15:54:52 <MagusX> same 15:54:57 <MagusX> and an owngoal 15:54:57 <MagusX> LOL 15:56:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i know why i avoid this kind of stuff ;) 15:56:50 <peter1138> waaa-aaa-aaa-aaa-aaave 15:58:07 <Eddi|zuHause> (well... i avoid both football and coding... but... ;)) 16:01:08 <Darkvater> hmmm...sweden \o/ 16:01:27 <Darkvater> plus: barbecue \o/!!! 16:03:24 <MagusX> hey 16:03:34 <hylje> Darkvater: omg wtf bbq ! 16:03:38 <MagusX> there is any map of brazil bigger than 256x256? 16:03:50 <MagusX> because that one in forum is small :/ 16:30:00 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B819A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Don't give me logic, give me emotions!"] 16:33:06 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-209-220.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 16:33:25 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-209-220.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:54:47 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has joined #openttd 16:58:22 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B81D80.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:01:54 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:06:40 <TL|Away> I hate Linux USB Wireless, I can't get it to work on Linux :'( 17:07:02 <Sacro> TL|Away: yeah, wifi is a pain under linux 17:07:02 <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: hi :) 17:07:14 <TL|Away> Hi 17:07:18 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: I'm using wifi right now under linux 17:07:27 <TL|Away> just all manuals say it should work like this 17:07:29 <Sacro> MiHaMiX: so am i 17:07:30 <TL|Away> but nothing happens... 17:07:36 <TL|Away> ndiswrapper tells me the driver is installed 17:07:41 <TL|Away> and nothing happens :( 17:07:46 <TL|Away> I am sure I forget something :p 17:07:55 <Sacro> TL|Away: you tried modprobe ndiswrapper? 17:08:10 <TL|Away> yeah 17:08:15 <TL|Away> dmesg shows ndiswrapper is loaded 17:08:17 <TL|Away> but then nothing 17:08:19 <Sacro> ndiswrapper -l ? 17:08:55 <TL|Away> driver installed, hardware present 17:09:06 <TL|Away> dmesg only shows that usbcore registered the ndiswrapper 17:09:09 <Sacro> iwconfig? 17:09:24 <Sacro> or ls /dev/wlan* 17:09:24 <TL|Away> empty, besides the wired interfaces 17:09:31 <TL|Away> doesn't exists... 17:09:33 <TL|Away> udev sucks 17:09:34 <Sacro> iwconfig shouldnt show wired 17:09:46 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B819A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:09:48 <TL|Away> it shows it with: no wireless extension :p 17:10:04 <Sacro> ah right yeah 17:11:00 <TL|Away> but what I really don't understand, is that ndiswrapper does detect the USB device 17:11:07 <TL|Away> (and when I disconnect it responds corectly) 17:11:11 <TL|Away> but nothing else happens 17:11:27 <TL|Away> maybe something I should start? :s 17:11:44 <Sacro> it might be that udev isnt responding 17:11:57 <TL|Away> yeah, udev is giving more problems from time to time ;) 17:12:36 <TL|Away> bah, sucky suck :p 17:12:46 <TL|Away> Do you guys use USB devices? 17:12:46 <Sacro> actually i dont think my wireless card has a /dev entry 17:12:51 <Sacro> no mines PCMCIA 17:13:45 <Noldo> network devices don't seem to have 17:14:00 <Sacro> no 17:14:03 <Sacro> strange 17:14:26 <TL|Away> but should anything else start besides ndiswrapper 17:14:30 <TL|Away> (via modprobe) 17:14:40 <Sacro> TL|Away: dont think so 17:14:59 <Sacro> did you do ndiswrapper -m? 17:15:14 <TL|Away> ... already contains alias ... 17:15:16 <TL|Away> so I guess so :p 17:15:32 <Sacro> i have "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" in /etc/modprobe.conf 17:15:51 <TL|Away> I have too many items there 17:15:54 <TL|Away> but indeed, that line too :p 17:16:34 <Sacro> hmmm, what distro? 17:16:38 <TL|Away> Gentoo 17:16:43 <TL|Away> and a Linksys USB device 17:17:08 *** Wolfy [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit ["I'm gone, bye bye :)"] 17:17:23 <Sacro> have you asked in #gentoo? 17:17:28 <TL|Away> no 17:17:34 <TL|Away> it isn't really Gentoo related either 17:18:55 * Prof_Frink forgets how many times he's had to fix his wireless cards under linux 17:19:16 <Sacro> hmmm 17:19:19 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: yeah, me too 17:19:59 <Prof_Frink> I now have NetworkManager working for my bcm43xx card 17:20:16 <Prof_Frink> and my Libretto has my rt2500 card working 17:21:40 <TL|Away> biggest problem is that I have 64bit 17:21:47 <TL|Away> which makes everything just a bit more difficult then needed 17:22:28 <Sacro> TL|Away: ahh, yes it will 17:24:18 <MagusX> hey 17:24:23 <MagusX> is there a way to make 17:24:28 <MagusX> sv0creator.exe 17:24:39 <MagusX> save maps bigger than 256x256? 17:24:52 <peter1138> no 17:24:59 <MagusX> damn 17:25:01 <MagusX> :( 17:25:08 <peter1138> sv0 == ttdpatch == 256x256 17:26:36 <MagusX> shit :( 17:26:42 <MagusX> because i wanna make a brazil scenario 17:26:46 <MagusX> but bigger than 260 17:26:47 <MagusX> 256 17:27:01 <MagusX> but... if i do the scenery, it will take years 17:27:39 <MiHaMiX> committime 17:27:43 <MagusX> ? 17:27:45 <MiHaMiX> hmm 17:27:50 <MagusX> :( 17:29:52 <CIA-3> miham * r5216 /trunk/lang/ (french.txt polish.txt unfinished/lithuanian.txt): 17:29:52 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-06-10 19:27:22 17:29:52 <CIA-3> french - 4 fixed, 2 changed by glx (6) 17:29:52 <CIA-3> lithuanian - 102 fixed, 16 changed by Plyta (118) 17:29:52 <CIA-3> polish - 4 fixed by meush (4) 17:31:16 <Eddi|zuHause> MagusX: maybe you should look for the pngload patch for the scenario editor 17:31:32 <MagusX> i dont know how to install patches :/, win32 version 17:31:37 <MiHaMiX> Total I18N status: 93% - 4785 bad strings out of 73276 strings 17:31:38 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what richk used for e.g. the africa scenario 17:31:53 <MagusX> :/ 17:31:56 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a time when it was in miniIN 17:32:02 <MagusX> well 17:32:06 <MagusX> i will check it later 17:32:11 <Eddi|zuHause> but that might make the scenario incompatible with trunk 17:32:21 <MagusX> :( 17:34:36 <Sacro> shouldnt be incompatible 17:35:08 <MagusX> :/ 17:36:34 <Sacro> afaik theres never been much problem with scenario problems 17:36:42 <Sacro> its mainly save games that have fancy things on them 17:38:12 <MagusX> well... i will look for that patch later 17:38:15 <MagusX> i will play a bit now 17:38:40 <Sacro> OpenTTD needs more girls 17:39:04 <scia> no 17:39:08 * scia needs more girls 17:39:12 <scia> :p 17:39:27 * MagusX needs a lot more girls 17:39:36 <MagusX> ^^ 17:39:36 <Eddi|zuHause> well... technically, scenarios ARE savegames 17:39:37 <Sacro> ooh pi 17:39:41 <Sacro> *pizza 17:43:42 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:45:56 <Tron> MiHaMiX: STR_01FD_CLICK_ON_SERVICE_TO_CENTER STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_CATCHMENT STR_CONFIG_PATC 17:45:56 <Tron> HES_NEW_NONSTOP <-- please tell the lithuanian translator there's probably something wrong with these strings (stray question marks) 17:47:44 <MiHaMiX> Tron: well, ? can't get into a string otherwise than a translator insert that, since WT2 validates input to iso8859-15 on languages which are not utf-8 encoded. 17:48:14 <Tron> these strings are _old_ 17:48:22 <MiHaMiX> Tron: ahh, ok. 17:48:59 <Tron> and the conversion for to the power of 3 (³) still doesn't work 17:49:26 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 17:49:40 <MiHaMiX> Tron: no, you're wrong - again. 17:49:49 <MiHaMiX> Tron: I've just checked that yesterday 17:49:58 <Tron> no, you're wrong again 17:50:01 <Tron> i just saw the diff 17:50:02 <MiHaMiX> Tron: ^3 is inserted as ^3, 17:50:16 <Tron> +STR_UNITS_VOLUME_SHORT_SI :{COMMA}m? 17:50:16 <Tron> 17:50:16 <Tron> +STR_UNITS_VOLUME_LONG_SI :{COMMA} m? 17:50:22 <Tron> straight from your last commit 17:50:33 <MiHaMiX> most probably they copied from english 17:50:42 <Tron> it's correct in english 17:51:31 <MiHaMiX> STR_UNITS_VOLUME_SHORT_SI: {COMMA}m³ 17:51:35 <MiHaMiX> (in utf8) 17:51:41 <MiHaMiX> grr 17:51:58 <Tron> it's perfectly correct in english, i know, because if fixed it 17:52:07 <MiHaMiX> if ? 17:53:51 <MiHaMiX> strange, I'll show you a screenshot. 17:53:51 <Tron> if ? what? 17:53:58 <MiHaMiX> [[19:52]] <Tron> it's perfectly correct in english, i know, because if fixed it 17:54:11 <Tron> s/if/i/ 17:54:41 <Tron> i'm deliberatly going to fix it now in the lithuanian translation 17:55:21 * peter1138 attempts to remove a gas pipe and ends up removing a layer of skin instead 17:55:23 <MiHaMiX> wait pls. 17:56:13 <Tron> peter1138: doesn't that hurt? 17:56:28 <MiHaMiX> Tron: http://xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu/~miham/tmp/screenshot-editor-volume_short.png 17:56:34 <peter1138> yes 17:56:39 <peter1138> however, it came off :) 17:56:44 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176097207.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 17:56:44 <peter1138> now to affix to bbq 17:56:54 <peter1138> (lazy, i know, but so much more convenient) 17:56:56 <Sacro> peter1138: i hope your corgi certified 17:57:14 <Tron> MiHaMiX: check lang/english.txt, it's correct there 17:57:25 <peter1138> Sacro: what, for flexible rubber tubing connected to small gas bottle and portable equipment? heh 17:57:27 <Tron> (and that's the only thing, which counts) 17:57:32 <MiHaMiX> Tron: i know.., I've checked 17:57:48 <Sacro> peter1138: you know wht the mother state is like 17:57:59 <MiHaMiX> Tron: it's correct in the db, too 17:58:22 <MiHaMiX> Tron: but I was able to write a cubic sign in WT2 17:58:44 <Tron> it's something at your end, don't ask me what, there's no source available 18:00:50 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:02:22 <MiHaMiX> hm 18:07:14 <Tron> MiHaMiX: please tell the polish translator that the {G} in STR_8868_TRAIN_CRASH_DIE_IN_FIREBALL and STR_9032_ROAD_VEHICLE_CRASH_DIE are probably wrong and should be {P} 18:07:37 <Tron> STR_A034_PLANE_CRASH_DIE_IN_FIREBALL, too 18:08:07 <TL|Away> Lol, Gentoo sometimes sucks... it has drivers put on masking, because it is in kernel 2.6.17, but that kernel isn't stable for all platforms yet.... useful! :p 18:09:28 <MiHaMiX> Tron: ok, thanks for your bug report against cubic sign - I've succeeded to track down the bug 18:11:30 <MiHaMiX> Tron: I'll forward your requests to them.. 18:13:52 <Tron> MiHaMiX: slovak -> some questions have a space before the ?, some don't. I'd make it uniform, but it's hard to tell what's the usual style 18:15:50 <MiHaMiX> Tron: I suggest you to leave the translation work to translators, I'll forward your request to slovakian translators 18:18:44 <Sacro> TL|Away: 2.6.16 here still 18:18:55 <ShadowJK> More translators should do what the .fi translator(s) have done 18:19:23 <MiHaMiX> ShadowJK: what did they do? 18:19:33 *** Kuja^ [i=Kuja@irc.kuja.in] has quit ["ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net"] 18:19:49 *** Kuja^ [i=Kuja@irc.kuja.in] has joined #openttd 18:20:29 <ShadowJK> made STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_NEW_NONSTOP actually say something comprehensible. 18:20:59 <ShadowJK> "TTDPatch compatible nonstop handling" says nothing really. I'd have to install TTDPatch, whatever that is, and investigate what it does, or hope that it explains what it is. 18:21:54 <MiHaMiX> good :) 18:21:56 <Sacro> Non-Stop = via 18:22:12 <Sacro> or pass-through 18:24:08 <ShadowJK> Though sadly "Improved loading algorithm" is translated word for word 18:26:17 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 18:26:19 <MeusH> hello 18:26:22 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: hi 18:26:29 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: did you receive my email? 18:26:41 <MeusH> not yet, I'll do it soon 18:26:58 <MeusH> now I'm configuring linux, as I managed to install ubuntu stuff 18:27:06 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: grat :) 18:27:11 <MeusH> however, I've got problems making openttd 18:27:18 <MeusH> seems I don't have compilator configured 18:27:22 <MeusH> cc: command not found 18:27:31 <MeusH> I think cc stands for C Compiler, but I'm not sure 18:28:18 <MeusH> /bin/sh: cc: command not found 18:28:24 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: apt-get install gcc g++ make 18:28:28 <MeusH> thanks 18:28:46 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: -> #openttd.wt2 18:28:53 <MeusH> okay 18:30:46 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 18:31:14 <MeusH> Gmail is great. So does OpenTTD I love cross platform things :) 18:33:02 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387C190.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:34:16 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 18:38:19 <TL|Away> Sacro: 2.6.16 everywhere almost :p But okay, I got those drivers installed, still nothing 18:38:27 <TL|Away> 64 bit drives that match the USB ID, still nothing 18:38:33 <TL|Away> 32bit drivers that match the USB ID, still nothing 18:38:39 <TL|Away> short: wifi sucks 18:38:39 <Sacro> TL|Away: hmmm, i dunno 18:38:55 <TL|Away> it seems that v2 of my USB thingy works better.. of course I have v1 :p 18:41:08 <Sacro> oh dear 18:41:21 <Sacro> hm, how do you change GNOME colours for panels and suchlike 18:41:40 <MeusH> System > Preferences > Themes 18:41:57 <MeusH> "System" = third drop-down of main menu 18:42:12 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:42:37 <Sacro> MeusH: im in theme preferences now, but all ive found so far is how to add them 18:42:44 <Sacro> but i want to change clearlooks colours 18:45:32 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3DC95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:46:16 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D284.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:46:19 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 18:47:00 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 18:47:11 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:50:14 *** Wolfy [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:50:14 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:51:04 *** TL|Away is now known as TrueLight 18:52:17 <MeusH> Sacro: Try the second button 18:52:24 <MeusH> in themes window 18:52:44 <MeusH> that's the button with screwer and hammer 18:54:06 *** Wolfy [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:54:20 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:54:30 <CIA-3> miham * r5217 /trunk/lang/polish.txt: 18:54:30 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-06-10 20:54:18 18:54:30 <CIA-3> polish - 4 changed by meush (4) 18:54:55 <MiHaMiX> Tron: polish {G ...} commands have been fixed. 18:56:04 <Tron> thanks 18:56:34 <MiHaMiX> Tron: slovakian translator has been asked to fix up the question marks as well 18:56:57 <MiHaMiX> Tron: I'm thinking of a web interface where one can report bugs found in translations 18:58:37 <Sacro> MeusH: eh? 18:59:08 <Sacro> MeusH: i have an alternate theme :) but still, nothing 18:59:25 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:00:25 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 19:08:31 *** tsimpa_ [n=icechat5@80-235-58-57-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:12:42 <MeusH> Sacro: I remember I changed it on Fedora Core 4 19:12:47 <MeusH> however I don't remeber that 19:12:58 <Sacro> MeusH: apparently i have to edit the metacity config file 19:13:03 <MeusH> Try help, chapter 9.19 19:16:31 <MeusH> cya 19:25:28 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:26:28 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has left #openttd ["Wychodz?"] 19:27:19 *** Quag_Neesh [n=Quag_Nee@cpc3-bolt5-0-0-cust237.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 19:27:54 <Sacro> its all quiet in here 19:28:52 <MagusX> yeah 19:28:53 <MagusX> :/ 19:28:56 <MagusX> i wanna play =o 19:33:10 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:35:13 <TrueLight> Does anyone have Windows XP 64bit installed? 19:35:18 <TrueLight> I need 2 files of that system... 19:35:38 <jonty-comp> I wish I had :( 19:37:59 <MagusX> =/ 19:39:19 <michi_cc> TrueLight: what do you need? 19:39:34 <TrueLight> michi_cc: usb8023.sys and rndismpw.sys 19:39:49 <michi_cc> moment. DCC? 19:39:54 <TrueLight> rather http 19:39:58 <TrueLight> DCC goes to the wrong PC 19:40:02 <TrueLight> mail is fine too 19:40:17 <TrueLight> also please let me know where it is stored at your end 19:40:38 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 19:40:40 <TrueLight> (it complains here that the drivers aren't 64bit :() 19:40:45 <CIA-3> tron * r5218 /trunk/terraform_gui.c: Remove GenericRaiseLowerLand(). It's not really as generic as the its name suggests, it's just an unnecessary indirection 19:40:54 <michi_cc> I've go a rndismp.sys, without the w at the end 19:41:06 <TrueLight> also just fine :) 19:41:11 <TrueLight> :q 19:41:13 <TrueLight> lol 19:41:27 <TrueLight> oh, I typed it wrong: rndismpk 19:41:29 <TrueLight> was the name :p 19:42:41 <michi_cc> well, still only rndismp.sys 19:42:44 <michi_cc> http://dude.icosahedron.de/~michi/Win64Drv.zip 19:45:17 <TrueLight> hehe, segfault 19:45:20 <michi_cc> TrueLight: got it? 19:45:21 <TrueLight> but okay, at least it is 64bit :p 19:45:23 <TrueLight> yeah, tnx :) 19:45:26 <TrueLight> but in what dir are they? 19:45:39 <michi_cc> windows\system32\drivers 19:45:45 <TrueLight> k, than kyou VERY much! 19:45:52 <michi_cc> no problem 19:49:36 <orudge> If you need any other files, let me know, TrueLight, as I may be able to help too :p 19:50:06 <TrueLight> hehe 19:50:10 <TrueLight> this should be sufficiant 19:50:14 <TrueLight> if they would not segfault 19:50:14 <TrueLight> :s 19:54:05 *** egladil [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:54:16 <TrueLight> michi_cc: what SP version was that? 19:54:39 <michi_cc> there is no service pack yet 19:54:43 <TrueLight> ah 19:54:44 <TrueLight> k :p 19:54:47 <TrueLight> Tnx :) 19:55:19 <michi_cc> it might be important that WinXP x64 is actually a Win2003 in disguise and no real XP 19:57:56 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:58:56 *** petterhj [n=petterhj@host-81-191-111-34.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 20:00:45 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:02:42 <MagusX> Link: http://rapidshare.de/files/22714409/OpenTTD_Revised_Magus_X.rar.html i uploaded a version with some newgrfs and the 5205 if someone who dont knows how to install new graphics, download mine :) 20:03:00 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2F781.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:01 <petterhj> I have some helicopters and they only circulate the heliports, how come? 20:04:15 <Eddi|zuHause> MagusX: you might want to check out if you actually may distribute those newgrfs 20:08:22 <CIA-3> tron * r5219 /trunk/road_gui.c: CMD_CLEAR_AREA doesn't use p2, so don't pass anything seemingly meaningful 20:11:04 <CIA-3> tron * r5220 /trunk/configure: Testing for existence AND using rm -f is tautologous 20:11:29 <Tron> boring, there doesn't seem to be a good translation for "doppelt gemoppelt" 20:11:48 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... 20:12:10 <orudge> http://dict.leo.org/cgi-bin/dict/forum.cgi?action=show&group=forum002_new&sort_order=&list_size=&list_skip=0&file=20051227151307 20:12:21 <Eddi|zuHause> closest i find is "redundant" 20:12:31 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:32 <Sacro> Tron: pmsl, whats it mean? 20:12:32 <orudge> As does that page 20:12:53 <orudge> "tautologous" is not a word one hears often at all 20:13:07 <orudge> "redundant" would make more sense to me 20:13:09 <orudge> but ah well, tis done now 20:13:11 <Sacro> orudge: thats exactly what i was going to say 20:13:11 <Sacro> followed by asking what it meant 20:13:15 <Eddi|zuHause> except if you're taking mathmatical logic lessons ;( 20:13:16 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 20:13:47 <Tron> orudge: well, tautologous was exactly what dict.leo told me 20:15:23 <Tron> Sacro: "doppelt gemoppelt" is an informal expression if something is done or stated redundantly redundant (sic) multiple times 20:16:21 <Sacro> Tron: cool 20:16:41 <orudge> Tron: And then there's that page suggesting it may not be the best translation ;) 20:16:43 <orudge> but anyway 20:16:55 <Tron> orudge: i didn't check the forum 20:17:05 <Eddi|zuHause> the ethymology of that phrase could be intresting... 20:17:12 <orudge> Was just the result of a google search, anyway 20:17:23 <Eddi|zuHause> might be something for "Genial Daneben" ;) 20:18:41 <Tron> my Langscheidts (Longman) tells me "the same thing twice over" 20:18:47 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2FA24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:18:47 *** dp is now known as dp-- 20:19:07 <Eddi|zuHause> that sound ridiculous ;) 20:19:10 <Tron> but that doesn't /feel/ fitting either 20:20:26 <Tron> "Etymologisches Wörterbuch des Deutschen" ... let's see 20:21:19 <Eddi|zuHause> that's written without h? 20:21:48 <Tron> yep 20:22:13 <Eddi|zuHause> ah well... my orthographic intuition plays tricks on me occasionally 20:23:32 <Tron> nothing 20:24:31 <Tron> maybe you english speaking guys should just adopt the phrase, like you did with Kindergarten, Rucksack or Gesundheit (; 20:26:35 <Sacro> hehe, i do use all 3 of them 20:26:48 <[D]Shaman> If RichK gets on, somebody tell him there were 0 desyncs and the server is still running. 20:27:05 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:22 *** lws1984 is now known as Spam 20:27:37 *** Spam is now known as lws1984 20:29:29 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Quit"] 20:30:03 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, there were 2 desyncs, but they were totally unrelated ;) 20:30:49 <glx> good I now have a lot of money :) 20:38:35 <[D]Shaman> those were you 20:38:38 <[D]Shaman> glx: i got more :P 20:39:10 <[D]Shaman> 2043 atm 20:39:14 <[D]Shaman> got 300-m 20:39:16 <glx> yeah I saw :) 20:39:41 *** TheMask96 [i=martijn@sirius-r4.ne2000.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:39:48 <glx> I tried to connect but I forgot my CPU was already at 100% :) 20:40:14 <[D]Shaman> lol 20:40:33 <[D]Shaman> Client #46 is dropped because the client did not respond for more than 4 game-days 20:40:45 <glx> it was me :: 20:40:49 <[D]Shaman> yeh i know :P 20:44:51 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i got too much music... 20:44:59 <[D]Shaman> there is NO such thing as too much music :P 20:45:04 <[D]Shaman> I hit 304 hours :P 20:45:09 <[D]Shaman> on for another... 304 hours xD 20:45:19 <Eddi|zuHause> 1051 items [2 days+16:31:32] [5.02 GB] 20:45:28 <TrueLight> wasted my whole day on installing my wireless USB under linux :p 20:45:28 <TrueLight> lol 20:45:38 <[D]Shaman> Eddi|zuHause: only 5g? 20:45:46 <glx> TrueLight: and it works finally? 20:45:50 <TrueLight> Sacro: btw, the problem before was that 2.6.16 has a nice glitch ;) 20:45:52 <TrueLight> glx: no :( 20:45:54 <TrueLight> it segfaults 20:46:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i was going through them manually, and ended up with a playlist of 350 "good" songs 20:46:02 <Sacro> TrueLight: ahhh, so not a feature then 20:46:42 <TrueLight> The fix in the kernel; 20:46:45 <TrueLight> -#ifndef CONFIG_USB_NET_RNDIS 20:46:45 <TrueLight> +#ifndef CONFIG_USB_NET_RNDIS_HOST 20:46:47 <SchAmane> TrueLight, ndiswrapper ? 20:46:49 <TrueLight> :| :| :| 20:46:52 <TrueLight> SchAmane: yes 20:47:27 <Sacro> TrueLight: ill keep an eye out for that one when Arch released 2.6.16 20:47:31 <Sacro> *releases 20:47:35 <TrueLight> Sacro: do that :) 20:47:38 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387C190.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 20:47:39 <SchAmane> i got my wireless working throw ndiswrapper very well, but its pci device 20:47:50 <TrueLight> yeah, most pci devices are supported 20:48:02 <SchAmane> 2.6.16.x + ndiswrapper 1.17 20:48:07 <TrueLight> Sacro: BUS=="usb", SYSFS{idProduct}=="001b", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0baf", PROGRAM="/bin/sh 20:48:07 <TrueLight> -c 'echo 1 > /sys/%p/device/bConfigurationValue'" 20:48:15 <TrueLight> That fixes the problem via udev ;) 20:48:32 <TrueLight> I believe it is USB only, but I am not sure 20:48:35 <TrueLight> it is annoying for sure 20:48:59 <Sacro> TrueLight: ...that looks like a hack 20:48:59 <TrueLight> but okay 20:49:03 <TrueLight> Sacro: it is :) 20:49:22 <TrueLight> I believe it will be fixed in 2.6.17 :p 20:49:24 <Sacro> mines PCMCIA, so it might be different 20:49:31 <TrueLight> I hope so for you :) 20:49:39 <TrueLight> But it segfaults now because of the 64bit system here 20:50:07 <TrueLight> I Still don't get why 32bit is better supported then 64bit :( 20:50:17 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 20:50:55 <SchAmane> what application today need 64bit OS ? 20:50:58 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917057.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:51:02 <MagusX> because 64bits is new and they hate the fact of amd64bits processor be better 20:51:15 <TrueLight> MagusX: 'they'? 20:51:22 <MagusX> intel 20:51:24 <MagusX> microsoft 20:51:24 <TrueLight> SchAmane: floating point programs :) 20:51:32 <TrueLight> MagusX: this is a more general problem :) 20:51:37 <MagusX> yeah :/ 20:51:42 <SchAmane> floating points use SSE2 20:51:51 <SchAmane> thats has nothing with 64bit adressing to do 20:52:08 <TrueLight> hehe, true, I mean more: I use a lot of big (really big) numbers 20:52:21 <TrueLight> in that you do notice it :) Hehe! 20:52:23 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... my music amounts to an average of 181.2839537 kbit/s 20:52:27 <SchAmane> 64bit has nothing to do with BIG Numbers 20:52:37 <Noldo> just bigger 20:52:41 <TrueLight> (sorry, did a bit too much calculation routines lately, I am a bit.. what is the english word for it...) 20:52:45 <SchAmane> its just bigger range for adress array 20:52:48 <SchAmane> in cpu 20:52:52 <TrueLight> SchAmane: it can handle 64bit numbers a bit faster ;) 20:52:59 <Sacro> you need 64 bits for a REALLY good openttd game :P 20:53:17 <SchAmane> Sacro, ah, yes, how i forgot 20:53:29 <TrueLight> Sacro: yeah, special features are enabled :p 20:53:30 * Sacro remembers the night we overflowed the money counter 20:53:36 <SchAmane> TrueLight you have no idea what 64bit is for :p 20:53:53 <Sacro> SchAmane: its for counting twice as high 20:53:57 <TrueLight> SchAmane: more then you know :) I just did too much calculations these last days :) 20:54:24 <TrueLight> You just asked what apps uses 64bit 20:54:33 <SchAmane> Sacro, yes, you get your credits in openttd double that fast on x86_64 than on x86 :o= 20:54:37 <TrueLight> I use software which does use it, and they are lovely and fast :) 20:54:51 <TrueLight> fast more because they are newer 20:54:53 <TrueLight> but all besides the point 20:54:55 <SchAmane> TrueLight, i asked what application need 64bit OS 20:55:11 <TrueLight> SchAmane: yes, and I have a few which do :) 20:55:14 <Eddi|zuHause> SchAmane: 64bit does not only mean you got 64 bit address space, but also that you got 64 bit instructions, so you can handle more data per machine instruction 20:55:16 <TrueLight> floating point programs 20:55:18 <TrueLight> big numbers :) 20:55:28 <MagusX> imo openttd should stay as is in graphics, the blender graphics will 'destroy' the classic 20:55:39 <TrueLight> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, and what were the stats... 3% speed increase? ;) :p 20:55:44 <SchAmane> TrueLight, this applications are faster on 64bit atlons only because this cpu cores are more productive than old one 20:55:57 <TrueLight> SchAmane: I did said that a moment ago, didn't I? :p 20:56:06 <SchAmane> mmx can handle 64bit already for long time 20:56:08 <SchAmane> :p 20:56:21 <TrueLight> yeah, even before that it was possible 20:56:25 <TrueLight> but the question is, with what speed :p 20:56:35 <TrueLight> I can handle up to 1024bit integers 20:56:44 <TrueLight> I just rather don't use it for massive matrix calculation :p 20:56:48 <TrueLight> just my idea... 20:57:08 <SchAmane> stupid discussion 20:57:13 <TrueLight> yeah 20:57:14 <TrueLight> it is late 20:57:16 <TrueLight> and I am VERY bored 20:57:22 <SchAmane> 64bit self dont give any performance 20:57:35 <MagusX> what gives is the programs 20:57:37 <SchAmane> there are just better cpu core designs in new cpus 20:57:38 <MagusX> who uses the 64bits 20:57:39 <SchAmane> thats all 20:57:48 <TrueLight> SchAmane: just intel fucked it up 20:57:52 <TrueLight> so that isn't true in general :p 20:58:00 <MagusX> intel SUCKS 20:58:04 <jonty-comp> :D 20:58:05 <MagusX> they dont accept amd as better 20:58:08 <MagusX> AMD OWNS 20:58:11 <SchAmane> i never had an intel cpu 20:58:20 <TrueLight> SchAmane: one tip, never get one 20:58:20 <MagusX> [SchAmane]: i had, my first computer, a pentium 100 20:58:20 <MagusX> =o 20:58:23 <SchAmane> and i had a lot of cpus in my life 20:58:33 <MagusX> TrueLight, obvious =o 20:58:38 * jonty-comp has AMD Sempron64 3400+ and it performs better than his mum's P4 3.2 Ghz 20:58:43 <TrueLight> I didn't touched intel CPUs for a long long time 20:58:45 <SchAmane> my first cpu was amd 586 20:58:53 <TrueLight> mine a 286! :p 20:58:56 <MagusX> i have a AMD Sempron 2600+ 20:58:57 <TrueLight> Ooh, that makes me old.... 20:58:58 <MagusX> im poor 20:59:01 <SchAmane> i think it was at 100Mhz 20:59:05 <MagusX> but it haves a good performance to mee 20:59:06 <MagusX> :) 20:59:08 <SchAmane> i mean my personal 20:59:09 <TrueLight> MagusX: I have a AMD 2000+ :p 20:59:18 <SchAmane> i also had comondore 64K 20:59:21 <MagusX> [TrueLight]: computer here is expensive 20:59:22 <MagusX> :/ 20:59:29 <SchAmane> and worked on 8086 in UNI 20:59:35 <TrueLight> MagusX: here it is payable, just I don't feel like upgrading 20:59:37 <TrueLight> works just fine 20:59:56 <MagusX> [[TrueLight]]: same... but i will when i got enough money 21:00:01 <MagusX> probably at year end 21:00:21 <peter1138> hmm 21:00:25 <peter1138> that was a nice bbq 21:00:28 <SchAmane> so i worked on 8086, 286, 386, 486, 586, k5, k6, k7 and now i have Athlon-64 X2 here 21:00:34 <MagusX> wow 21:00:38 <TrueLight> MagusX: I don't feel like upgrading until I really can't start doing stuff... 21:00:49 <TrueLight> the only thing that sucks is that my HDs are slow (ATA33 RULEZ! :p) 21:00:51 <MagusX> ««TrueLight»»: oh... good point 21:00:58 <MagusX> im 16 :P 21:01:09 <TrueLight> so you still want too much :p 21:01:10 <TrueLight> good point :) 21:01:13 <MagusX> yeah lol 21:01:32 <SchAmane> amd was good most of the time (if you forget some overhiting problems with few cpu cores =) ) 21:01:35 <MagusX> but what else a teen of 16 years can think except sex and games? lol 21:01:40 <Sacro> hmm, sex 21:01:48 <MagusX> except sex 21:01:52 <TrueLight> sex? What is sex? 21:01:55 <MagusX> lol 21:02:00 <TrueLight> can you eat that? 21:02:04 <MagusX> LOL 21:03:33 <TrueLight> I am just 7 years old and I have no idea what you guys talk about :p 21:03:35 <TrueLight> heheheheheh 21:04:07 <MagusX> ok, i will play soldat 21:04:38 <TrueLight> !whatis solday 21:04:40 <jmp_ghli> >TrueLight> No match. 21:04:45 <TrueLight> !whatis soldat 21:04:46 <jmp_ghli> >TrueLight> No match. 21:05:23 <SchAmane> how long it takes until openttd svn version get utf-8 ? 21:05:41 <peter1138> well there's a utf8 branch 21:05:44 <TrueLight> SchAmane: as long as it takes you to type: svn switch svn://svn.openttd.org/branch/utf8 . 21:05:49 <MagusX> LOL 21:05:50 <MagusX> owned 21:06:12 <SchAmane> ok, how long it take until branch would be merged in to trunk ? 21:06:32 <CIA-3> tron * r5221 /trunk/tile.h: 21:06:32 <CIA-3> Make the assertion in SetTileType() more strict: "lower edge of map <=> VOID" instead of just "lower edge of map => VOID" 21:06:32 <CIA-3> This works since the hack abusing SetTileType() in openttd.c is gone (r5171) 21:06:39 <peter1138> "when it's ready" 21:06:43 <MagusX> owned 21:06:58 <TrueLight> MagusX: okay, you just confirmed you being 16 21:06:59 <peter1138> MagusX: anything useful to say? 21:07:17 <SchAmane> any ETA ? 21:07:22 <MagusX> nothing 21:07:24 <SchAmane> is there still a lot to do ? 21:07:26 <MagusX> :~~ 21:07:31 <peter1138> no. however, it is fully playable. 21:07:53 <Noldo> peter1138: what is missing then? 21:09:20 <TrueLight> Is there still a lot to do? No. However <- However mostly indicates a controdiction, I fail to see it here, or is it not a good thing it is almost done? 21:09:21 <TrueLight> :p 21:09:40 <peter1138> conversion of savegame data, some way of inputting arbitrary unicode characters, lots of testing... 21:09:52 <peter1138> TrueLight: 'twas in response to "any ETA" :-) 21:09:56 <TrueLight> :p 21:10:25 <peter1138> and tron probably has some opinion on it, but hasn't enlightened us yet 21:12:50 <SchAmane> hmm 21:15:43 <[D]Shaman> Hmf, think I'll go re-build Thresher then. 21:15:56 <SchAmane> hmm 21:16:00 <peter1138> you could test it, but the lang files aren't utf8 yet 21:16:15 <SchAmane> i compiled utf8, but it shows only "?????" for works 21:16:22 <glx> only unfinished/ukrainian is utf8 21:16:33 <SchAmane> i use ukrainian 21:16:50 <SchAmane> txt file is very well 21:16:56 <peter1138> yeah, it's cyrillic. by default there's no cyrillic chars 21:17:07 <SchAmane> maybe i need congifure some monual cyrylic font ? 21:17:22 <peter1138> did you enable freetype support? 21:17:31 <SchAmane> no, how i do this ? 21:17:41 <peter1138> there's a grf you can use which has cyrillic characters 21:17:44 <SchAmane> i just get svn and than typed "make" 21:18:02 <SchAmane> 2ccmap.grf ? 21:18:54 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/russianw.grf 21:19:14 <SchAmane> how i do use freetype font ? 21:19:17 <peter1138> (it's missing some ukrainian chars, but most of it's there) 21:19:31 <peter1138> for freetype, you firstly need the freetype dev stuff installed 21:19:36 <peter1138> then ./configure --with-freetype 21:19:37 <peter1138> and recompile 21:19:52 <SchAmane> its missing ? 21:19:58 <peter1138> yes 21:20:02 <peter1138> and overs 21:20:11 <SchAmane> peter1138, i am on gentoo =) 21:20:17 <peter1138> errr 21:20:19 <peter1138> others 21:20:46 <SchAmane> and ? 21:20:49 <SchAmane> ? 21:20:55 <peter1138> yup 21:20:56 <SchAmane> that must be all 21:21:10 <peter1138> there's a couple of other ukrainian chars missing 21:21:16 <peter1138> i didn't draw them though 21:21:20 <SchAmane> i will try first grf way, than recompile it with freetype support 21:21:45 <peter1138> i only converted the grf from the russian openttd patch to use the unicode mapping stuff 21:21:52 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387C190.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:23:34 <SchAmane> hehe 21:23:45 <SchAmane> grf way looks nice 21:25:44 <SchAmane> is freetype a problem for other platform than linux ? 21:26:18 <peter1138> shouldn't be, but only the makefile supports it currently 21:26:36 <peter1138> the compile farm can build windows binaries fine 21:27:01 <SchAmane> do it compile staticaly in to opentd binary ? 21:27:08 <peter1138> no 21:27:16 <SchAmane> dll ? 21:28:19 <SchAmane> peter1138, i recompiled openttd with --with-freetype but it shows "?" for chars 21:34:54 <Rubidium> you might need to specify the fonts it has to use 21:35:03 <SchAmane> peter1138, shoul i reconfigure it somehow to use correct font on freetype ? 21:35:08 <SchAmane> Rubidium, and how ? 21:35:11 <peter1138> oh, yeha, that's the other thing that's suboptimal 21:35:46 <Rubidium> under '[misc]' in openttd.cfg I have: 21:35:48 <peter1138> in openttd.cfg in the misc section, there'll now be some font settings 21:35:50 <Rubidium> small_font = /usr/share/fonts/truetype/tahoma.ttf 21:36:00 <Rubidium> and same for normal and large 21:36:19 <SchAmane> ok 21:36:27 <peter1138> i'm using arial unicode atm, heh 21:36:35 <peter1138> contains pretty much every character you'll ever need :D 21:36:46 <peter1138> it is 23MB though 21:37:31 <SchAmane> i try bitestream vera 21:42:12 <SchAmane> arial works, bitstream vera not 21:43:52 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181088010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:47:50 <Sacro> hmm, Windows Whistler 21:48:25 * Sacro realises that'd be a pointless download 21:50:34 <[D]Shaman> hmf, apt-get installing mono-gmcs will download more than that apt-get upgrade of last week O_O 21:51:24 <Sacro> lol 21:52:12 <[D]Shaman> that can't be right :P 21:52:26 <[D]Shaman> and it all seemed to work still O_O 21:52:28 * [D]Shaman is impressed 21:52:36 <[D]Shaman> usually mono fucks the old mono up :o 21:52:40 <Sacro> lol 21:52:41 <[D]Shaman> eh, mono-gmcs 21:52:54 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-254-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 21:52:54 <Sacro> i havent used mono yet, any nice tutorials? or can i just learn C#? 21:53:00 <[D]Shaman> it's being like "Ah yer using the new shit anyways, why use the old one!?!?" 21:53:06 <SchAmane> gmcs ? 21:53:07 <[D]Shaman> C# is easy tbh :P 21:53:11 <[D]Shaman> if you can do C you can do C# 21:53:18 <SchAmane> mono works great 21:53:22 <[D]Shaman> SchAmane: the .net 2.0-lookalike version of mcs 21:53:37 <[D]Shaman> it supposedly supports a lot of .net 2.0 shit 21:53:40 <[D]Shaman> which is HANDY 21:53:47 <SchAmane> ok 21:54:10 <[D]Shaman> I can still remember when I was inheriting ArrayList or SortedList to make arraylists out of certain types 21:54:22 <[D]Shaman> now you can use SortedList<Type> or List<Type> and it works smooth 21:54:37 <[D]Shaman> saves at least 20 typos per type-list :P 21:54:42 <SchAmane> :o] 21:54:53 <Sacro> hmm 21:55:19 <[D]Shaman> Sacro: If you use windows, get Visual Studio 2005 21:55:26 <[D]Shaman> else.. get the linux similar of it :P 21:55:36 <[D]Shaman> SharpDevelop might work, never used it myself 21:55:41 <Sacro> [D]Shaman: i cant stand VS2005 21:55:46 <Sacro> i have MonoDevelop 21:55:48 <SchAmane> i use monodevelop 21:55:51 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Odletam do paralelniho vesmiru..."] 21:55:54 <[D]Shaman> Sacro: It's better than MonoDevlop/SharpDevelop tbh 21:56:09 <SchAmane> actualy it not working here, because of gtk+2.9.2 bugs =) 21:56:20 <Sacro> [D]Shaman: well ive been looking into my future, and its either do a uni course -> java 21:56:33 <Sacro> or try and get a job, and save up and do MCAD -> C# 21:56:39 <Sacro> or maybe CCNA 21:56:46 * [D]Shaman nods 21:56:49 <[D]Shaman> do all ;) 21:57:00 <[D]Shaman> SchAmane: I don't use gtk ;) 21:57:16 <Sacro> hmm, my mum wanted a cup of tea an hour ago... 21:57:34 <Sacro> [D]Shaman: wish i could afford to 21:57:42 <Sacro> id also like to do my HGV and PPL 21:57:50 * [D]Shaman nods 21:58:15 <[D]Shaman> There's a lot of things you can do 21:58:21 <[D]Shaman> hacking microsoft can get you a job as well ;) 21:58:42 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 21:58:51 <[D]Shaman> either a job of picking up soap 21:58:55 <[D]Shaman> or a job IN ms :P 21:59:22 <TrueLight> !calc ibase=16 http://dude.icosahedron.de/~michi/Win64Drv.zipfffff77f8862aa60 21:59:24 <jmp_ghli> >TrueLight> Internal error. Use !bug to report it 21:59:34 <TrueLight> stupid c/p 21:59:41 <glx> hehe 21:59:52 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:59:58 <TrueLight> !calc ibase=16 fffff78000000000 - fffff77f8862aa60 22:00:00 <jmp_ghli> >TrueLight> Internal error. Use !bug to report it 22:00:03 <TrueLight> bah 22:00:07 <TrueLight> I always fail in this :p 22:00:17 <glx> 0x? 22:01:04 <[D]Shaman> !calc 0xfffff78000000000 - 0xfffff77f8862aa60. 22:01:20 <[D]Shaman> think the bot dun like me :p 22:01:26 <glx> [D]Shaman: you're not registered 22:01:27 <TrueLight> !reg 22:01:28 <jmp_ghli> >TrueLight> Regisztracio magyarul: http://user.peticio.hu/igor2/projects/jmp/jmpreg.html | registration in english: http://user.peticio.hu/igor2/projects/jmp/jmpreg_en.html 22:01:40 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498F1A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:57 <glx> !calc 0xfffff78000000000 - 0xfffff77f8862aa60 22:01:58 <jmp_ghli> >glx> Internal error. Use !bug to report it 22:02:05 <glx> !calc help 22:02:06 <jmp_ghli> >glx> 0 22:02:08 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 22:02:16 <[D]Shaman> pff, cba :P 22:02:29 * peter1138 implemented ssss in c# today. not nice. 22:02:32 <TrueLight> google rules! 22:02:37 <TrueLight> http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=0xfffff78000000000+-+0xfffff77f8862aa60&btnG=Zoeken&meta= 22:02:46 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E275.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:02:59 *** Schamane_ is now known as SchAmane 22:03:03 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 22:03:05 * peter1138 > sleep 22:03:14 <glx> good night peter1138 22:03:26 <SchAmane> peter1138, are you from ukraine ? 22:03:28 <[D]Shaman> yer greater than sleep? sweet, have fun pulling an all-nighter then :P 22:03:39 <peter1138> no 22:03:44 <peter1138> uk ;p 22:03:53 <peter1138> [D]Shaman: yes 22:03:55 <SchAmane> some west city ? 22:04:08 <[D]Shaman> ah, brits :o 22:04:09 <[D]Shaman> whereabouts? 22:04:30 <peter1138> uh, middleish 22:04:39 <peter1138> but... nini 22:04:46 <SchAmane> kiev ? =) 22:04:55 <[D]Shaman> SchAmane: He's a brit. 22:05:00 <[D]Shaman> kiev is waaaaaaaaay off :P 22:05:05 <peter1138> i dunno 22:05:13 <peter1138> i can get nice chicken kievs at tesco 22:06:01 <SchAmane> ah, uk, sorry 22:06:24 <[D]Shaman> lol 22:08:21 <SchAmane> uk charset is "ukraine" 22:08:28 <SchAmane> so i missunderstud 22:08:57 <SchAmane> you meaned GB 22:10:01 <[D]Shaman> .uk == United Kingdom ;) 22:11:40 <SchAmane> uk_UK is ukrainian charset 22:12:00 <SchAmane> uk_UA.UTF-8 22:12:12 <SchAmane> i like new sounds in openttd =) 22:12:37 <SchAmane> they are funky and not annoing 22:18:04 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-20-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 22:20:39 <Sacro> what about us? 22:21:05 <Sacro> new sounds in openttd??? since when??? 22:21:20 <Sacro> and is it actual newsounds? 22:21:32 <Sacro> like chuff chuff chuff...WHOOO WHOOOO etc? 22:25:12 <SchAmane> its not only new sound 22:25:16 <SchAmane> its 3d sound =) 22:25:22 *** Hallo [n=me@141.24.48.94] has quit [] 22:25:46 <Sacro> SchAmane: are we talking about newgrf newsounds?like in UKRS on TTDPatch? 22:25:49 <SchAmane> wow, i just realized, that my sound box do WHOOOP on left or right speaker if i place rails left or right 22:25:58 <Sacro> yeah, stereo openttd 22:26:08 <SchAmane> no, no new grf 22:26:25 <SchAmane> just svn version sounds are different than thay was 22:29:54 <SchAmane> funny things 22:30:07 <SchAmane> i build 95% only trains if i play openttd =) 22:33:15 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [] 22:34:14 <Sacro> hmm 22:35:23 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181088010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 22:40:56 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:35 *** TrueLight is now known as TL|Away 22:46:13 *** Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:47:05 *** Sacro__ [n=Sacro@adsl-87-102-32-244.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:48:03 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-209-220.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:48:13 *** Sacro__ is now known as Sacro 22:52:39 <Eddi|zuHause> am i the only persong getting confused when there is a "Sxh 22:52:52 <Sacro> :? 22:52:56 <Eddi|zuHause> "SchAmane" and a "[D]Shaman" 22:52:59 <Eddi|zuHause> in the channel 22:53:14 <Eddi|zuHause> sorry... hit return instead of backspace 22:53:21 <Eddi|zuHause> happens to me all the time :p 22:53:40 *** petterhj [n=petterhj@host-81-191-111-34.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:53:52 <Bjarni> we all tried that 22:54:00 <SchAmane> Eddi|zuHause, you are only one persong 22:54:06 <SchAmane> :D 22:54:22 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B63EAB.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 22:54:23 <Sacro> hmm 22:54:44 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["I'm ambidextorus, it explains a lot, and orudge: yes"] 22:54:46 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:54:47 <Xaroth> Eddi: I can talk through this as well ;) 22:54:52 <[D]Shaman> To confuse you even more 22:54:59 <Xaroth> Or am I just being mean now? 22:55:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, please ;) 22:55:39 *** Bjarni is now known as |D|Shaman 22:55:46 <SchAmane> anyway i am older one of SchAmane's 22:55:58 <|D|Shaman> Eddi|zuHause: now you got a nice little task to tell people apart in here :P 22:56:03 <[D]Shaman> lol 22:56:08 <[D]Shaman> The @ would do it for me :) 22:56:09 <SchAmane> i am pretty long on this channel :p 22:56:20 *** Sacro is now known as {D}Shamen 22:56:25 <{D}Shamen> this is quite fun 22:56:47 *** mode/#openttd [-o |D|Shaman] by |D|Shaman 22:56:51 <|D|Shaman> no more @ 22:56:58 <SchAmane> what is that |D| for ? 22:56:59 <{D}Shamen> one of us :P 22:57:15 <|D|Shaman> I had to think for a moment to figure out which shaman, that should have the op status removed 22:57:17 *** {D}Shamen is now known as Bjarni 22:57:29 <|D|Shaman> no, don't go back now 22:57:32 <Eddi|zuHause> NOW this is getting intersting ;) 22:57:37 <[D]Shaman> lol 22:57:38 <Bjarni> lol 22:57:40 *** [D]Shaman is now known as Sacro 22:57:45 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:57:46 <Sacro> ahem :P 22:57:50 *** Sacro is now known as [D]Shaman 22:57:50 *** SchAmane is now known as CrazyGoogle 22:57:56 *** |D|Shaman is now known as Sacro 22:58:00 <[D]Shaman> lol 22:58:04 <Bjarni> im not sure quite who i am now 22:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that is normal state for you i thought ;) 22:58:19 <CrazyGoogle> nobodys perfect 22:58:20 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: The [D] is my clantag. 22:58:25 <Sacro> dammit, my head hurts from his inpersonation :( 22:58:44 <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, for what game ? [D] is for Deutchland ? 22:58:45 <CrazyGoogle> =) 22:58:46 <Bjarni> nothing wrong with it 22:58:55 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: [D]oomcraft, and multiple games 22:59:01 <[D]Shaman> we're more a community than a 'clan' 22:59:03 *** Bjarni [n=Sacro@adsl-87-102-32-244.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:59:07 *** Sacro is now known as Bjarni 22:59:13 <CrazyGoogle> doomer 22:59:14 *** Sacro__ [n=Sacro@adsl-87-102-32-244.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:59:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 22:59:34 <CrazyGoogle> opentdd sucks as name 22:59:38 *** Sacro__ is now known as Sacro 22:59:50 <CrazyGoogle> openttder sounds like shit 22:59:58 <Bjarni> CrazyGoogle: you got a better name? 23:00:07 <Bjarni> I mean one that we can agree on 23:00:12 <CrazyGoogle> ;o] 23:00:20 <Sacro> OI 23:00:22 <CrazyGoogle> i didnt think on that yet 23:00:24 <Sacro> :P 23:00:40 <Bjarni> each time we talked about getting a decent name, nobody could agree to anything, so nothing changed 23:00:49 <CrazyGoogle> imagine on some openttd con, somebody comes to you and say - hey, i am openttder 23:01:05 <[D]Shaman> you don't say that 23:01:11 <[D]Shaman> you say, "Hey, I play OpenTTD". 23:01:20 <Bjarni> no you don't 23:01:22 <Bjarni> you say 23:01:32 <CrazyGoogle> yea 23:01:33 <Bjarni> "Are you a fellow OpenTTD freak?" 23:01:35 <Eddi|zuHause> somehow i don't think that openttd can get enough people at the same place to call it a "openttd-con" ;) 23:01:37 <CrazyGoogle> so uncool 23:01:37 <[D]Shaman> "All your trains are belong to me" 23:02:06 <CrazyGoogle> Hi, i play OpenTDD, do you want i clean your shoes? " =) 23:02:09 <Brianetta> all your stations are belong to us 23:02:15 <Sacro> im in your depot, destroying your trains 23:02:21 <Bjarni> actually I would not go to an OpenTTD con 23:02:24 <Brianetta> hm 23:02:30 <Brianetta> s/stations/depot/ 23:02:38 <Brianetta> all your depot are belong to us 23:02:39 <Sacro> i would 23:02:39 <Bjarni> people, that might show up at such a event scares me 23:02:43 <CrazyGoogle> yo man 23:03:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: that was exactly Bjarni's point ;) 23:03:01 <Bjarni> Sacro: we have known for a long time, that you are really scary 23:03:22 <[D]Shaman> Bjarni: I'd go, and take a bb-gun with me to shoot Sacro :P 23:03:40 <Bjarni> why a bb-gun? 23:03:43 <CrazyGoogle> D-Shaman, you play UT ? or BF2 ? 23:04:02 <[D]Shaman> used to, don't play BF2 though, hate that game 23:04:09 <Brianetta> Bjarni: You can shoot somebody, and only be tried for assault, not murder 23:04:31 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: yes, i gathered it'd be a dig at me 23:04:43 <[D]Shaman> ATM, My play list: WoW(Untill subscription runs out in a week or 2), EVE-Online, Warsow, GR:AW, RVS, CSS, Planetside, OpenTTD, NexusWar 23:04:45 <Sacro> what if i brought bobingabout with me 23:04:48 <[D]Shaman> and.. a lot more of EVE :p 23:04:50 <CrazyGoogle> openttd'ever 23:04:57 <CrazyGoogle> eve 23:05:08 <Bjarni> Brianetta: if it depends on that, I would do (CLASSIFIED) and I would not even be charged of anything 23:05:12 <CrazyGoogle> oh, that nice crazy virtual reality game 23:05:40 <Bjarni> <Sacro> what if i brought bobingabout with me <-- then we will give you and bobingabout a bbgun each 23:05:42 <CrazyGoogle> how its going ? Still so laggy and GMs still play unfair ? 23:05:43 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: Yep, it's definatly a crazy game :P 23:05:49 <Bjarni> that would be a win-win 23:06:01 <[D]Shaman> yeh, shoot eachother, I'll bring popcorn. 23:06:17 <Bjarni> nomatter who pulls the trigger first, we would win 23:06:24 <[D]Shaman> lol 23:06:26 * CrazyGoogle takes his AK-74 23:06:35 <Bjarni> 74??? 23:06:40 <[D]Shaman> pff 23:06:42 <[D]Shaman> 47 > 74 23:06:48 <Sacro> hes got it pointing backwards 23:06:50 <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, i left eve about 1 year ago 23:06:59 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: That.. is your sin ;) 23:07:01 <Sacro> [D]Shaman: i assure you that 47 < 74 23:07:05 <Bjarni> you don't know much about weaponry when you make mistakes like that :P 23:07:09 <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, as Curse Aliance goes down 23:07:17 * [D]Shaman shrugs 23:07:20 <Sacro> or maths :) 23:07:27 <[D]Shaman> we got BoB up our ass at our alliance's space :P 23:07:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: but in a field with characteristic > 0 it is both ;) 23:07:42 <[D]Shaman> so.. grieving/ganking/laming on their side 23:07:45 <CrazyGoogle> i dont know any BoB 23:07:50 <Bjarni> <[D]Shaman> we got BoB up our ass <--- no details, thank you 23:08:04 <CrazyGoogle> i played in beta, than 2 years in release, and left because this game sucks a lot 23:08:18 <[D]Shaman> Bjarni: BoB is the 'main' cunt-guild, they like to take people up their asses :P 23:08:33 <[D]Shaman> It doesn't such tbh, at least way less than wow :P 23:08:33 <Bjarni> what is BoB anyway? 23:08:38 <CrazyGoogle> i am sure BoB would be never so good loke moO was 23:08:39 <[D]Shaman> an alliance 23:08:53 <[D]Shaman> in that game you have corperations, like guilds in wow 23:08:59 <Sacro> <[D]Shaman> Bjarni: BoB is the 'main' cunt-guild, they like to take people up their asses :P <--- i dont think i even wnana think about that 23:08:59 <CrazyGoogle> did you heared about moO corporation ? 23:09:03 <[D]Shaman> and alliances that can be formed between corps 23:09:23 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: I've only played that game for 4 months, I know nothing about oldskool corps :P 23:09:33 <Eddi|zuHause> (characteristic of a field is n, if n is the smallest number that fulfills x+n*1 = x, 0 if it is never fulfilled) 23:09:49 <Sacro> how much is Eve? 23:09:59 <[D]Shaman> same as wow 23:10:06 <[D]Shaman> in euros.. 38/3m 23:10:07 <Bjarni> oh btw, about the shooting of each other. At one time there was a tie in a duel in the wild west... the bullets hit each other o_O 23:10:13 <CrazyGoogle> 15Euro/mounth 23:10:23 <CrazyGoogle> game idea is amazing 23:10:29 <CrazyGoogle> better than you can imagine 23:10:35 <CrazyGoogle> but realisation sucks in any point 23:10:35 <[D]Shaman> that game is massive 23:10:37 <Bjarni> try me 23:10:39 <[D]Shaman> they said wow would be 'big' 23:10:45 <Sacro> can i have it in GBP? 23:10:49 <[D]Shaman> but after 3 days people been anywhere 23:10:50 <CrazyGoogle> starting at using microsoft as server platform 23:10:58 <[D]Shaman> Sacro: 1 pound == 1.4 euros 23:11:04 <Sacro> it looks kinda like X Online' 23:11:06 <CrazyGoogle> ending at GameMasters playing 23:11:09 <[D]Shaman> Sacro: yep 23:11:18 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: GM's don't play, ISD do. 23:11:26 <CrazyGoogle> X Online is babyfax to compare to eve 23:11:27 <[D]Shaman> but ISD are just players who can 'answer shit' 23:11:42 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 23:11:43 <Bjarni> what game are you talking about? 23:11:47 <[D]Shaman> eve. 23:11:57 <Bjarni> never heard of it 23:12:01 <CrazyGoogle> GM i know, they never play, but they do support some corporations with information, you would see that clearly some day 23:12:02 <[D]Shaman> www.eve-online.com 23:12:04 <Sacro> i hope you can get it on direct debit, or splashplastic 23:12:13 <CrazyGoogle> whach trailer 23:12:17 <CrazyGoogle> from gameplay 23:12:30 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: Nowadays the gms who do events 'take over' npcs and make a massive invasion in an alliance's space :P 23:12:35 <Sacro> do i need a joystick? 23:12:41 <[D]Shaman> Sacro: I can get you a 14-day trial? 23:12:43 <CrazyGoogle> Sacro, no =) 23:12:48 <CrazyGoogle> you dont need fly self 23:12:51 <Sacro> [D]Shaman: that'd be great 23:12:53 <Sacro> i like flying 23:12:57 <CrazyGoogle> ;o) its not X Online 23:13:01 <[D]Shaman> then I'd need an email addy 23:13:01 <Sacro> im a big player of X and X2 23:13:11 <Sacro> [D]Shaman: ben@benwoodward.me.uk 23:13:12 <CrazyGoogle> Sacro, believe me, you dont what fly self in this game 23:13:14 <[D]Shaman> Eve has no 'manual control' 23:13:19 <[D]Shaman> it's.. point and it'll fly there :p 23:13:22 <CrazyGoogle> its tactic game - not babyflying 23:13:47 <[D]Shaman> Sacro: Sent 23:13:48 <CrazyGoogle> you would have no time to fly your ship manualy 23:14:04 <Sacro> hmm, 200kbps 23:14:12 <Sacro> oh righ 23:14:12 <Sacro> t 23:14:19 <Sacro> well ill have a play around, see what i can figure 23:14:21 <[D]Shaman> the tactics in eve are amazing tbh.. -every- mmo has the level 2 > level 1 23:14:25 <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, i still have 400 kk and few battleships in game =) 23:14:29 <Bjarni> In the case of EVE, a nominal monthly subscription is charged for each player's account <-- they steal people's time by making them go online each day and they even take their money on a regular basis 23:14:34 *** Zimri [i=Zimri@cpc1-ely13-0-0-cust1001.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:14:35 <[D]Shaman> here, there are no levels, but still, get enough people in tiny ships and you can fuck -everything- up :P 23:14:48 <[D]Shaman> Bjarni: true :P 23:14:53 <CrazyGoogle> Sacro, if you try this game - be prepared, you would play it alot than 23:14:54 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: giev! :o 23:14:58 <CrazyGoogle> and its not easy to leave 23:15:11 <Sacro> yeah, ive had that with OpenTTD too, and X2 23:15:11 <MagusX> [CrazyGoogle]: only if you are without money to pay 23:15:12 <MagusX> ^^ 23:15:18 <Sacro> i am without money 23:15:18 <MagusX> X2? 23:15:21 <MagusX> X3 OWNS 23:15:24 <MagusX> Freelancer OWNS 23:15:27 <CrazyGoogle> MagusX, yes, that solve a lot =) 23:15:27 <[D]Shaman> X3 isn't in shops here :/ 23:15:33 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: gimme yer money xD 23:15:35 <MagusX> torrent? :P 23:15:43 <[D]Shaman> I'm stuck at 10m atm >_< 23:15:43 <Sacro> dont let brianetta hear that 23:15:48 <MagusX> i played Freelancer alot of time 23:15:52 <CrazyGoogle> Shaman i would better share my expirience with you =) 23:16:00 <CrazyGoogle> you play 4 mount ? 23:16:02 <Bjarni> and it's windows only 23:16:03 <Sacro> does eve run well under wine? 23:16:05 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: I'm a carebear :P 23:16:15 <[D]Shaman> Sacro: It supposedly works under linux, though i don't know how 23:16:21 <CrazyGoogle> so you even cant fly battle. My money wouldnt help you 23:16:30 <[D]Shaman> read the forums, game-dev forum would give some info 23:16:33 <CrazyGoogle> it dont work on linux 23:16:37 <Sacro> [D]Shaman: hmm, just wondering whether it'd be wine, or cedega thats needed 23:16:39 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: I'm an industrialist 23:16:41 <CrazyGoogle> i tryed 23:16:43 <CrazyGoogle> hardly 23:16:48 <CrazyGoogle> it dont work on linux 23:16:49 <[D]Shaman> my next step is exhumers, not battleships :p 23:17:00 <CrazyGoogle> Shaman, industrialist sucks 23:17:08 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: Not at all, we fuel the wars ;) 23:17:08 <MagusX> well 23:17:12 <MagusX> i heard alot good 23:17:13 <CrazyGoogle> there is only one true profession - pirate 23:17:14 <MagusX> about eveonline 23:17:18 <MagusX> but im out of $$ 23:17:20 <MagusX> ahhh :( 23:17:37 <[D]Shaman> here, buy this BS off of me, <person buys bs, gets blown up>, awww got blown up? got another one for sale you know <person buys ANOTHER bs> :p 23:17:53 <[D]Shaman> MagusX: If you want a 14-day trial let me know 23:17:55 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 23:17:55 <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, beleave me i played a lot more than you. I builded and managed POS self. I am telling you - there is only one true profession - pirate 23:18:01 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:18:02 <MagusX> [D]Shaman: nah 23:18:07 <MagusX> ([D]Shaman)~%: then i will love the game 23:18:12 <MagusX> and i will not be able to play 23:18:13 <MagusX> :( 23:18:15 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: Piratting seems fun tbh 23:18:16 <MagusX> then i prefer dont play 23:18:19 <[D]Shaman> but I'm anti-pie-rat 23:18:32 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 23:18:33 <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, i was also first year 23:18:38 <[D]Shaman> supporting a POS is piss easy btw :P 23:18:48 * Sacro tries to pirate eve 23:19:16 <CrazyGoogle> maybe this days. First days POS was included in game there was no easy way to get ICE 23:19:50 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-7912.bb.online.no] has quit ["Bunchie!"] 23:19:58 <[D]Shaman> heh 23:20:07 <CrazyGoogle> every body, if you dont plan to spend weeks in game and pay 15euro/month - even dont look the web site 23:20:08 <[D]Shaman> there's an ice field 5 jumps away from me in a .9 system 23:20:19 <CrazyGoogle> oh o_O 23:20:23 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:20:28 <[D]Shaman> lots of afk-miners though 23:20:35 <CrazyGoogle> as i was playing ICE fields was rare and only in 0.0 systems 23:20:38 <[D]Shaman> helped the gms bust at least 8 of em 23:20:43 <CrazyGoogle> even there very rare 23:20:45 <Bjarni> <[D]Shaman> but I'm anti-pie-rat <-- oh that reminds me of something I heard. Piracy is when you steal stuff, and if you make a pirated copy of some software, you don't steal from the company, that originally coded this, therefore pirated copies do not exist 23:20:57 <[D]Shaman> Eh, not -THAT- kind of pie-rats, Bjarni :P 23:21:08 <Bjarni> somehow I think it's invented by somebody, who wants to pirate everything or something like that 23:21:25 <[D]Shaman> the ice fields in 0.0 are way better though 23:21:37 *** Wolfy [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:21:37 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:21:42 <[D]Shaman> way better as in better^100000 23:22:00 <Bjarni> even if piracy is physical stealing, so software pirate is the wrong word for it, it will not be legalised by such an argument 23:23:50 <CrazyGoogle> one day we was pirating in trading 1.0 solar system using game bug 23:23:53 <CrazyGoogle> that was fun 23:24:05 <CrazyGoogle> how this central system is called ? Agile ? 23:24:11 <CrazyGoogle> or something like that 23:24:11 *** Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 23:24:21 * Sacro hoists the main brace, grabs his cutlass and sets charge towards bittorrent 23:24:28 <[D]Shaman> It's now Jita / Oursulaert / Rens 23:24:33 <[D]Shaman> as main 'hubs' 23:24:42 <[D]Shaman> Sacro: btw, IF you go play it, FINISH THE TUTORIAL 23:24:49 <[D]Shaman> the ingame tutorial is -SO- important to do 23:24:50 <CrazyGoogle> there was also another bug - called "dupe" - it made our corporation reachest corp in one night 23:25:23 <Sacro> [D]Shaman: yeah so i see 23:25:59 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 23:26:12 <RichK67> hi all 23:26:18 <[D]Shaman> the tut will say 1 thing multiple times, which is "When in doubt, right click"... obey that rule 23:26:22 <[D]Shaman> RichK67: hi :) 23:26:30 <[D]Shaman> server's all fine, no desyncs no crashes. 23:26:31 <CrazyGoogle> hi 23:26:37 <[D]Shaman> except Eddi who fails to have a sane client :P 23:26:39 <Sacro> helloooooooo RichK67 23:26:50 <RichK67> looks like i may have got the bug then :) 23:26:58 <RichK67> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii sacroooooooooooooooooooooooo 23:27:37 <Sacro> RichK67: cool doppler affect you got going there 23:27:47 <Eddi|zuHause> nah... the client was fine... i just had a .cfg that contained newgrf and forgot about it ;) 23:27:55 <RichK67> lol - speed o light baby.. yeah 23:28:02 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81D80.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:28:18 <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, what aliance you play for ? 23:28:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Doppler Effekt has nothing to do with speed of light... 23:28:38 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: Atm, Fountain Alliance 23:28:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you notice it every time a police car goes by 23:28:59 <Eddi|zuHause> and they hardly got speed of light ;) 23:28:59 <[D]Shaman> we joined them 3 weeks ago, but due to bob infestations i'm not heading there untill i have jumclones 23:29:04 <RichK67> eddi: no TGP release (MiniIN or patch) yet has the fix in it 23:29:09 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: yes it does, cars lights are white when they come towards you, and red when its going away 23:29:16 <RichK67> only my dev version 23:29:31 <[D]Shaman> working on making bpc's out of every bpo i got..taking fkin ages :/ 23:30:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: that reminds me of a joke ;) 23:30:10 <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, hehe, your aliance sucks. We was fighting FA alltime 23:30:19 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: ooh, recite it for us 23:30:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Physics teacher asks the class what is faster, sound or light 23:30:26 <RichK67> close to the speed of light, a white car will appear blue to an observer as it approaches, and red as it recedes 23:30:28 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: Things changed.. what alliance you in? 23:30:49 <Eddi|zuHause> first pupil says: light... because when you switch the radio on, you first see light, and then hear sound 23:31:00 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81D80.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 23:31:01 <CrazyGoogle> i was in Curse Aliance, but it dont exist now 23:31:12 <Eddi|zuHause> second pupil says: no, sound... when you switch on the TV, you first hear voices before seeing the picture 23:31:26 <Eddi|zuHause> third pupil says: no, they are both same 23:31:31 <CrazyGoogle> primary we fight Stain and secondary FA 23:31:33 <Eddi|zuHause> teacher asks why he thinks that 23:31:44 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81D80.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:31:46 <[D]Shaman> ah 23:31:54 <[D]Shaman> We're helping Stain kick the shit out of bob :p 23:31:57 <Eddi|zuHause> because, when there's storm, you first see lightning, and then hear the thunder 23:31:59 <CrazyGoogle> actualy FA looks like territorialy bigest allience there 23:32:01 * RichK67 awaits punchline 23:32:19 <Eddi|zuHause> pupil answers: yes, that is because the ears are behind the eyes 23:32:22 <[D]Shaman> -if- people get arroused enough to actually get off their lazy asses and fight we manage to put multiple bob pos'es in reinforced 23:32:31 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: hmm, it make sense 23:32:40 <Sacro> [D]Shaman: you have to be aroused to fight :| 23:32:51 <[D]Shaman> Sacro: Some people apparantly do. 23:33:02 <Hagbard_Ub> can any of you join 81.235.253.135 pass:swec ? 23:33:04 <RichK67> eddi: lol 23:33:22 <CrazyGoogle> all newbs are industries :o) They do mining for people like me, who like have fun from game :o) 23:33:29 <[D]Shaman> and atm, ASCN is the biggest alliance, follower by Goonfleet.. bob somewhere around the top-10 range.. but our main 'enemy' (if bob fucks off again) is Xelas.. but we outnumber them now bigtime 23:33:31 <RichK67> what release? 23:33:47 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: I'm slowly training to HAC atm, but i'm doing 50-50 now 23:34:06 <[D]Shaman> it's all to damn expensive anyways :p 23:34:07 <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, buy you only skills you need in fight - and you would have a much more from game 23:34:35 <[D]Shaman> I've been in battles, had my share of newbiepirates etc 23:34:43 <[D]Shaman> only not real fleet-battles yet 23:34:59 * Sacro fancies an OpenTTD battle royale 23:35:00 <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, with my tech2 projektile 1400 i made about 1400 hit from 80km distance :o) 23:35:07 <[D]Shaman> which i was hoping to find in FA space... but it's useless for me if there's so much bob around :/ 23:35:22 <CrazyGoogle> this day it maybe not same, devs changed a lot in game i think 23:35:24 <Sacro> MiniIN TGP 2048x2048, countries against each other 23:35:43 <[D]Shaman> they might be cunts, but most bob pilots are experienced pvpers so I'd stand 0 chance to them 23:35:50 <CrazyGoogle> EMP + tech2 1400 projektiles was best you could get some days 23:36:05 <[D]Shaman> I did have fun with some newbie pirate a few weeks ago, i was in my rupture, he in a cyclone 23:36:10 <[D]Shaman> and he didn't go through my armor tank 23:36:19 <CrazyGoogle> :o) 23:36:20 <CrazyGoogle> hehe 23:36:35 <[D]Shaman> so i got him down to half structure since he was dumb enough not to align for warp 23:36:41 <RichK67> sacro: which release?? branch? current branch? 23:36:53 <[D]Shaman> (I was scrambled so couldn't do anythign anyways) 23:37:07 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B776A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:37:35 <Sacro> RichK67: who knos 23:37:45 <Sacro> but id like a daylength patch adding so it last aaaaaaaaages 23:38:04 <CrazyGoogle> last my fight befor i leaved game i was in frigate 23:38:15 <CrazyGoogle> dont remember in which one 23:38:45 <CrazyGoogle> and i taked fight with some enemy aliance member in frigate lvl2 23:38:50 <[D]Shaman> nice 23:39:05 <[D]Shaman> last week we made a dozen of trial accounts and pod-jumped to bob space 23:39:05 <CrazyGoogle> oh, i forgot all alredy 23:39:13 <[D]Shaman> going on their HAC's with rookie ships 23:39:15 <CrazyGoogle> and i win this batle 23:39:31 <[D]Shaman> we ended up seeing one of their frigs getting blown up by a HAC of theirs.. it was loaded with T2 things, was fun :p 23:39:32 <CrazyGoogle> but i was on 10% structure =) 23:39:38 <[D]Shaman> O_O 23:39:38 <[D]Shaman> auch 23:40:12 <CrazyGoogle> ah 23:40:17 <CrazyGoogle> i was in rifter 23:40:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> 10% structure of a spaceship? how do you get the thing air tight? :) 23:40:50 <CrazyGoogle> and he was in dreadnought 23:40:57 <CrazyGoogle> Eddi|zuHause, yep =) 23:41:05 <CrazyGoogle> better 10% and win than pod kill 23:41:26 <[D]Shaman> Rifters are THE best T1 frigs there are :P 23:41:48 <CrazyGoogle> ah, no sorry it was destroyer 23:42:00 <[D]Shaman> destroyer? pff 23:42:25 <CrazyGoogle> yep 23:42:26 <[D]Shaman> Thrasher? :o 23:42:31 <CrazyGoogle> i dont remember 23:42:33 <CrazyGoogle> but i think so 23:42:40 <CrazyGoogle> i must have screenshots somewhere 23:42:42 <[D]Shaman> minmatar destroyer == thrasher 23:42:45 <CrazyGoogle> but i dont know here 23:42:49 <CrazyGoogle> but i dont know where 23:43:03 <CrazyGoogle> it was realy amazing buttle 23:43:08 <CrazyGoogle> i was sure i lose 23:43:30 <CrazyGoogle> even if newb is flying destroyer, you lose in frigate 23:43:43 <CrazyGoogle> but he was sure he win, that gived me chance 23:43:51 <CrazyGoogle> and i was very good fitted 23:44:00 <CrazyGoogle> tech2 guns 23:44:16 <CrazyGoogle> and he was not warping 23:44:33 <CrazyGoogle> because there where people watching 23:44:38 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:44:41 <CrazyGoogle> we made public fight 23:44:57 <CrazyGoogle> so you could leave fight only in pod =) 23:45:32 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:45:57 <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: Destroyers are -only- good against frigs 23:46:11 <[D]Shaman> though a good fitted frig has a high survivability rate 23:46:54 <CrazyGoogle> yea, but not that good 23:46:58 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:47:07 <CrazyGoogle> if he made one more shoot, he would win 23:47:11 <CrazyGoogle> :o) 23:47:18 <CrazyGoogle> i got luck 23:49:05 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 23:49:40 <CrazyGoogle> http://kvitka.net/eve/baga.png 23:50:31 <[D]Shaman> nice 23:50:34 <[D]Shaman> what ship? :o 23:50:51 <CrazyGoogle> minmatar battle 23:50:54 <[D]Shaman> btw, activation cost of projectile turrets == gone 23:50:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> what would one read out of that picture? 23:51:02 <[D]Shaman> typhoon or tempest? :o 23:51:09 <CrazyGoogle> temp 23:51:10 <[D]Shaman> Eddi|zuHause2: gun specifications :P 23:51:13 <CrazyGoogle> Eddi|zuHause, a lot 23:51:20 <CrazyGoogle> :o) 23:51:44 <CrazyGoogle> what you mean with "gone activation cost" ? 23:51:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> the chat is especially comprehensible ;) 23:51:56 <CrazyGoogle> there is no more activation cost on projektile ? 23:52:03 <CrazyGoogle> Eddi|zuHause, =) 23:52:20 <CrazyGoogle> Eddi|zuHause, you can see battle ship feet on this picture 23:52:30 <CrazyGoogle> you can also see POS managemend window 23:52:49 <[D]Shaman> eh 23:52:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> i can decipher the word "destroyer" 23:52:51 <CrazyGoogle> and some corp chat 23:53:01 <[D]Shaman> projectile turrets used to have an activation capacitor cost 23:53:03 <[D]Shaman> that == p00f 23:53:04 <[D]Shaman> no more cost 23:53:07 <CrazyGoogle> destroyer is a clas of ships 23:53:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> in the 4th line of the chat 23:53:18 <[D]Shaman> so NO MORE SHUTTING DOWN GUNS.. when you're nos'ed 23:53:39 <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, capacitor usage by projectile was never a problem 23:54:01 <[D]Shaman> if you were getting drained by more than 1 large nos your guns could deactivate by lack of cap 23:54:06 <[D]Shaman> now that's impossible ;) 23:54:34 <[D]Shaman> that gives us a HUGE advantage vs amarr 23:55:21 <CrazyGoogle> Eddi|zuHause, you can also see that 55km is optimal range for this guns, so +40km accuratcy 23:55:54 <CrazyGoogle> so i can shout you in the eye with my bullet on 80km distance in good position with nearly x10 damage 23:56:37 <CrazyGoogle> there where days. you could kill frigate with 3 shuts on 80km from this mashine 23:56:51 <[D]Shaman> 3?!? 23:56:54 <[D]Shaman> that's a lot man :p 23:56:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B754FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:57:03 <CrazyGoogle> but than devs changed game, and large projektile was not that good on shooting frigates down 23:57:08 <[D]Shaman> i got 2-shot by a BS in a destroyer from 160km :/ 23:57:18 <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, i mean that 2 of tham dont meet the target =) 23:57:45 <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, yes, 150km with special devices was real to take frigate down also 23:58:20 <CrazyGoogle> i wasnt able to do that only with my skills, but my corp mates 23:58:47 <CrazyGoogle> i was not that good fighter, because 1 year of playing i speend everything in developing industrie skills 23:59:06 <CrazyGoogle> so as i changed it, another people was a lot better than i