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00:00:21 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-233-227.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:00:53 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-233-227.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:01:23 <RichK67> gn 00:01:32 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 00:02:19 <Sacro> OMG, they killed RichK 00:02:21 <luckzeh> are vehics supposed to be capable of overtaking others that broke down? 00:02:24 <luckzeh> omg he suicided :/ 00:03:09 <Eddi|zuHause> road vehicles can overtake on straight roads 00:03:10 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-233-227.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:04:19 <luckzeh> yes, but they can't do that on roads uphill for an example, or so it seems in my game. 00:04:34 <luckzeh> kinda nasty when the first car of about fifteen breaks down at the end of a tunnel :p 00:04:47 <luckzeh> is there a table when which airport is available? 00:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, "straight" seems to be a little strict 00:05:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i would look in table/*.h 00:06:35 <luckzeh> would adding availability years to the airport gui be information overload? 00:07:49 <Eddi|zuHause> probably yes... 00:08:06 <Eddi|zuHause> such "advanced" information is rather suited for the wiki 00:08:14 <luckzeh> mhm-. 00:08:42 <luckzeh> in 2014, for the 20th anniversary, the wiki will be accessible ingame ;) 00:09:10 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-233-227.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:13:12 <Eddi|zuHause> feel free to implement a wiki interface ;) 00:14:47 <luckzeh> why do I want to build an airplane with 48% max reliability? :x 00:15:24 <Eddi|zuHause> because you don't bother and switch breakdowns off? ;) 00:15:55 <Eddi|zuHause> or: to increase its max. reliability 00:15:58 *** luckz [i=luckz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 00:16:21 <luckzeh> it will get more happy if I feed it cookies? 00:18:37 <Eddi|zuHause> definitely ;) 00:18:46 <luckzeh> btw, it's kinda sad that the realistic accel patch for cars turns them into snails 00:18:52 <luckzeh> not that they were unprofitable snails. 00:19:34 <luckzeh> ..now I got a service subsidy, somehow. apparently people decided to promote a route I have already been doing for twenty years. 00:21:31 <luckzeh> I also dont know why I even bother to build non-electric tracks 00:21:49 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691916102.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:21:50 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B36231.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:22:38 *** ector-- is now known as ectorZZzz 00:24:38 <luckzeh> dutch mtv at reasonably late times is strange. 00:26:26 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:27:04 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 00:27:09 <luckzeh> first they have a lot of recent mainstream-compatible metal/hard rock videos in a row, with very few commercial breaks, and it's actually pretty much like they're trying to be a music channel. 00:28:37 <luckzeh> and now, a show called top25 offers me a mix of moderatly old bad rap and somewhat good pop. 00:29:10 <luckzeh> but now everything is full of screenspam again. and I'll surely get to endure ten ringtone commercials in a row in three minutes. 00:35:37 *** fusey [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22"] 00:39:23 <Eddi|zuHause> surely you mean ten times the same ringtone commercial in a row ;o 00:40:44 *** dp__ [n=dp@p54B2D6D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:40:46 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-233-227.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:40:50 <luckzeh> that one. 00:40:54 *** fusey [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 00:41:43 <Eddi|zuHause> this is exactly why i did not watch MTV in years... 00:43:49 <luckzeh> heh 00:44:06 <luckzeh> Premiere has a fancy decent music chan. but that costs money, of course. 00:45:39 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.248.71] has joined #openttd 00:53:03 *** Born-Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCEE964.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 00:56:48 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc79.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 00:57:23 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2CD29.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:57:23 *** dp__ is now known as dp-- 00:58:14 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has quit ["Go on, get out. 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It was you wasn't it!?"] 04:46:34 *** DesktopMan [i=server@ghybel332.grm.hia.no] has joined #openttd 04:47:03 <DesktopMan> hey everyone. Any developers avaible for a chat? I'm porting openttd and need some pointers 04:47:27 <DesktopMan> result so far: www.auby.no/openttd.jpg 04:51:58 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36231.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:59:56 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:12:27 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:12:38 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:17:16 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 05:27:04 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:28:17 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:28:32 *** Zaviori is now known as Zavior 05:29:07 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:41:48 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 05:47:43 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:52:04 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:52:28 <MiHaMiX> DesktopMan: porting to which platform? 05:52:35 <MiHaMiX> DesktopMan: mobile phones? 05:52:43 <DesktopMan> Nintendo DS 05:52:47 <MiHaMiX> ahh 05:52:58 <DesktopMan> running into a bit of ram troubles 05:53:02 <DesktopMan> need to cut down here and there 05:53:07 <MiHaMiX> i don't have access to Nintendo :-( 05:53:14 <DesktopMan> why not? 05:54:12 <MiHaMiX> DesktopMan: because I don't have nintendo :-( 05:54:24 <DesktopMan> awww. not that expensive though, 120 usd :) 05:55:17 <MiHaMiX> DesktopMan: well, if you donate one me, I'll be able to test, otherwise I'm afraid not 05:55:50 <DesktopMan> :P 05:57:29 <MiHaMiX> bbl, going to work 05:57:37 <DesktopMan> later 06:14:24 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:15:46 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:21:21 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:22:47 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 06:38:41 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:44:36 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 06:45:00 <CIA-5> tron * r5723 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 06:45:00 <CIA-5> - Move the declaration of DrawRoadDepotSprite() out of functions.h (but I'm not too happy with the new header) 06:45:00 <CIA-5> - Use DiagDirection instead of plain int for the orientation of the depot graphics 06:45:00 <CIA-5> - Rename the associated data tables with sprites to something more meaningful 07:09:48 *** UserErr0r [i=MiniUrba@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:09:53 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387DA6E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:17:58 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 07:18:41 *** Gussoh^ [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:21:56 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has quit ["Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it"] 07:25:08 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:25:28 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:29:51 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:31:01 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:37:11 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:47:24 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 07:49:13 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:49:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:10:14 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5724 /branches/TGP/ (15 files): [TGP] -Feature: add the CharSetFilter to ShowQueryString, so we can be stricter about the input values. 08:16:33 <CIA-5> truelight * r5725 /branches/TGP/ (genworld.h saveload.c thread.c thread.h): 08:16:33 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Codechange: renamed Thread to OTTDThread, as Windows (who ever) uses 08:16:33 <CIA-5> Thread in winbase.h, and starts complaining if you define it otherwise 08:16:33 <CIA-5> (with weird, undefined errors) (tnx Arnau and Rubidium) 08:16:33 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Codechange: undefine the temporary defined OTTDThread in genworld.h, so 08:16:34 <CIA-5> you can include thread.h after genworld.h without any problems (Rubidium) 08:18:53 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:22:43 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 08:30:15 <publunch> The local authority says I am appealing, but won't allow me to build. :( 08:31:10 <scia> appealing :D 08:31:11 <Rubidium> it says your appaling 08:31:29 <DesktopMan> is there a way to remove all threading easily? 08:32:00 <Rubidium> disable saving 08:32:15 <DesktopMan> is there a define for that somewhere? 08:32:24 * DesktopMan is just getting to know the code 08:32:27 <Rubidium> no.. however.. 08:33:13 <Rubidium> you might try not spawning a thread in thread.c and modify the other functions so it behaves properly 08:33:20 <Rubidium> though I'm not sure that will work 08:33:30 <Rubidium> and why would you want to disable threading? 08:34:01 <DesktopMan> because I doubt it works. I'm porting to DS 08:34:36 <Rubidium> check thread.c and especially line 7-10 08:34:58 <DesktopMan> I also need to cut down on ram usage. Any quick tips? :) 08:35:40 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181070192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:36:11 <Rubidium> I've got no tips, but maybe you can look at the memory pools 08:36:32 <Rubidium> for town, vehicles, stations etc. 08:36:37 <DesktopMan> yeah will do 08:36:45 <DesktopMan> www.auby.no/openttd.jpg 08:36:55 <DesktopMan> it gets that far, but runs out of memory if I start a game. 08:37:13 <Rubidium> how much memory does it have? 08:37:24 <DesktopMan> 4 mbyte 08:37:41 <DesktopMan> but it uses about 800 kbyte for binary 08:38:36 <Rubidium> have you tried with a 64x64 map? 08:39:04 <DesktopMan> yeah same thing 08:39:10 <DesktopMan> so it's really close at boot 08:39:33 <Kjetil> There is some standard things you can reduse. Max number of vehicles and stuff like that 08:39:56 <Kjetil> But I doubt you will get it runing on 4mb 08:40:06 <Rubidium> that doesn't reduce the initial size of the memorypools AFAIK 08:40:17 <DesktopMan> are there any data that would do fine on a 16 bit bus? 08:40:32 <DesktopMan> I can use external memory, but it's 16/32 bit write only 08:42:18 <DesktopMan> oh, and since it goes to the menu, do the bg game always run? or does it only run if the menu covers less than all of the screen 08:42:23 <Kjetil> Are you going to try running openttd on a 486 ? 08:42:38 <DesktopMan> no a Nintendo DS 08:42:42 <DesktopMan> and it runs to menu 08:42:42 <Kjetil> ok 08:43:03 <Rubidium> yes, but it does not need to load the sprites of the game as you won't see them 08:43:16 <DesktopMan> how much does it cache? 08:43:21 <Rubidium> maybe you can look at the caching of those sprites 08:43:22 <DesktopMan> all of it? 08:43:26 <Rubidium> I've got no idea 08:43:45 <Rubidium> maybe 1MB or so 08:44:08 <DesktopMan> yeah that would kill it. 08:44:59 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181070192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 08:46:00 <DesktopMan> oooh SPRITE_CACHE_SIZE 08:46:05 <DesktopMan> that takes up a fair chunk 08:48:10 <DesktopMan> this would have been easier if I actually had a debugger :) 08:51:39 <Rubidium> isn't there some emulator with debugging functionality? 08:51:47 <DesktopMan> no they are still very primitive 08:52:10 <DesktopMan> I have all data files on compact flash in gba slot which also makes them break 08:54:28 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 09:01:05 <DesktopMan> hmm, no matter how much of the level I show it allocs too much 09:01:09 <DesktopMan> even if it's just a strip of 32 pixels 09:01:27 <DesktopMan> so there must be some kind of alocation that takes place when graphics first appear 09:05:06 <Rubidium> then I'm out of suggestions/ideas 09:05:19 <CIA-5> truelight * r5726 /branches/TGP/window.h: 09:05:19 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Fix: r5724 increased the size of querystr_d, which is included by network_ql_d, which now went over the 88 bytes on 64bit systems. Increased to next possible size: 96. 09:05:19 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Fix: querystr_d was never compile-time checked if it fits in the custom size. 09:11:45 <DesktopMan> hmm it dies at "Out of sprite memory" in spritecache.c 09:14:32 <DesktopMan> if I put all files on a memory mapped device instead, none would have to be cached or read 09:14:36 <DesktopMan> I might have to do that 09:15:05 <DesktopMan> fread etc just returning a pointer to it 09:16:49 <Bjarni> <DesktopMan> is there a define for that somewhere? <-- windows95 or something do not support threaded saving, so I guess it got a define there to disable it... I just don't know where 09:17:14 <Bjarni> I never really bothered to look for it as I always considered threaded saving a good thing and it works 09:17:19 <DesktopMan> :) 09:18:30 <Bjarni> actually it's a runtime "define" since it's a common exe file for all versions of windows, so I guess it's an if or flag somewhere 09:18:53 <DesktopMan> righto 09:19:52 <Bjarni> well, that's my guess. To be sure, either read the code or ask Darkvater when he shows up. I can remember that he used to work on threaded saving 09:20:08 <Bjarni> but why would you want to unthread the game? 09:20:21 <DesktopMan> as I said, threads arn't too happy on Nintendo DS 09:20:22 <DesktopMan> :) 09:20:25 <Bjarni> ahh 09:20:34 <hylje> :p 09:20:45 <hylje> someone really ported ottd to ds? 09:20:54 <DesktopMan> it doesn't run ingame yet 09:20:59 <Bjarni> you likely said that before I got online today 09:21:03 <DesktopMan> ah 09:21:12 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 09:21:17 <Bjarni> isn't that the device, that only got 4 mb memory or something? 09:21:39 <DesktopMan> yeah 09:21:43 <DesktopMan> going to be tight :) 09:21:55 <hylje> memory conserving magic 09:21:56 <hylje> ftw 09:22:07 <Bjarni> well, so far you are doing great progress compared to the former guy, who tried to port to DS 09:22:18 <peter1138> heh 09:22:40 <Bjarni> it took him like an hour to figure out that he needed to use the sdl headers to make his sdl lib work 09:22:51 <hylje> hah 09:25:01 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/56571 <-- this is the result of the first attempt :D 09:25:31 <DesktopMan> I might have to do something ugly, like decompress all files 09:25:42 <DesktopMan> and build a binary out of them, then return plain pointers 09:25:46 <peter1138> hmm 09:26:05 <hylje> Bjarni: paste that quote to priv since im on my 9300 09:26:12 <DesktopMan> it would atleast eliminate any sprite cache and file reads 09:26:52 *** jcerd [n=tuanhaot@58.186.109.161] has joined #openttd 09:28:17 <DesktopMan> which file has sounds? 09:28:22 <DesktopMan> I might ditch those for the time beeing 09:28:36 <peter1138> samples.cat 09:28:44 <peter1138> you can make it a zero byte file 09:28:47 <DesktopMan> so it was obvious. 09:28:48 <DesktopMan> P 09:28:56 <peter1138> then it'll still work, with no sounds 09:29:07 <DesktopMan> files without sample.cat are about 3 mbyte 09:29:10 <DesktopMan> err, 4 mbyte 09:29:16 <peter1138> i don't think you'd need to decompress the graphics files 09:29:17 <DesktopMan> they can't be larger than 32 mbyte uncompressed can they? 09:29:35 <DesktopMan> then I'd have to decompress on draw 09:29:41 <DesktopMan> which wouldn't be very fast 09:29:52 <peter1138> that's what it does 09:30:03 <DesktopMan> the cache caches uncompressed doesn't it 09:30:07 <DesktopMan> it seems to be doing both 09:30:07 <peter1138> they're not "compressed" as such 09:30:25 <peter1138> no 09:30:31 <peter1138> the sprite cache literally just caches it 09:30:49 <DesktopMan> oh allright 09:30:59 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181070192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:31:20 <DesktopMan> how can it run out of sprite cache if it just reads and decompresses if it's full :) 09:31:55 <peter1138> it always tries to use it, i guess 09:32:42 <peter1138> hmm 09:32:45 <peter1138> actually 09:33:14 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B75FFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:40 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5727 /branches/TGP/ (9 files in 2 dirs): [TGP] -Add: the ability to load BMP files for heightmaps if you're compiling with SDL 09:34:02 <peter1138> yeah 09:34:08 <peter1138> readsprite doesn't look like decompression to me :) 09:34:22 <peter1138> just copies it 09:34:27 *** jcerd [n=tuanhaot@58.186.109.161] has quit [Client Quit] 09:34:35 <peter1138> along with calculating array sizes 09:34:59 <DesktopMan> right. so just returning a pointer would be fine 09:35:52 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:37:12 <peter1138> well 09:37:14 <peter1138> sort of 09:37:41 <peter1138> there're a couple of things to check... FioReadWord() ensure endian-safeness, for example 09:37:55 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181070192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 09:38:36 <DesktopMan> it ends up in fread anyway 09:38:44 <DesktopMan> so if I just patch the stdio routines I should be fine and dandy 09:39:01 <DesktopMan> "just" 09:40:32 <DesktopMan> might be a romfs avaible so I can cheat a bit. 09:50:11 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:50:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B75CAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:50:37 <DesktopMan> hmm where/how do I set a higher debug level 09:50:55 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 09:50:59 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:51:53 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit ["My BNC will keep you warm, vist #teamlag, #hexus.cs"] 09:58:06 *** tron_ [n=tron@p54A3FEDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:01 <tron_> peter1138: ReadSprite() decompresses the sprite on load (about line 130) 09:59:52 <peter1138> oh 10:00:34 <peter1138> crack-ass compression 10:02:01 <DesktopMan> it does a whole lot of calls to DeleteEntryFromSpriteCache until it hits best==-1 10:02:33 <DesktopMan> if it always ends up as uncompressed, I might save alot of memory and cpu by just returning a pointer to it 10:09:19 *** DarkSSH [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 10:09:22 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 10:10:08 *** DarkSSH is now known as Darkvater 10:10:12 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 10:12:55 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:18:15 <peter1138> Expansion Slots o One x16 PCI Express slot with x16 signal o One x16 PCI Express slot with x4 signal 10:18:18 <peter1138> hmmm 10:22:00 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B83B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:26:44 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:27:30 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B83B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:28:09 <Darkvater> peter1138: what are you talking about? 10:28:24 <peter1138> rubbish 10:28:26 <peter1138> generally 10:28:40 <peter1138> trying to spec a server and noticed that... don't need PCI-E anyway 10:29:28 <Darkvater> ah 10:30:12 <Bjarni> Darkvater: I think DesktopMan got a question about threaded saving 10:30:25 <DesktopMan> I'm pestering him :P 10:30:26 <Bjarni> aka we got another one, who tries to port to DS :D 10:30:28 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-222-91.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 10:32:33 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has joined #openttd 10:34:47 *** tron__ [n=tron@p54A3FC1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:19 *** TronBSD [n=tron@p54A3FC1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:36:10 <Darkvater> tzhe tron clones attack! 10:38:00 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3FEDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:38:21 <Darkvater> -1 10:38:31 <Bjarni> one down 10:38:33 <Bjarni> 3 to go 10:38:50 <Neonox> :) 10:39:16 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:44:57 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:47:46 *** tron_ [n=tron@p54A3FEDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:48:20 <Neonox> -1 10:55:16 *** tron__ is now known as Tron 10:55:39 <Neonox> hi Tron 11:03:41 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-222-91.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 11:08:11 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387DA6E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:08:56 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:10:06 *** luckzi [n=alcy@ipd50af103.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:11:30 *** luckzeh [n=alcy@ipd50af103.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:12:18 *** gradator [n=gradator@cryogenia.devnullteam.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:12:19 *** gradator [n=gradator@cryogenia.devnullteam.org] has joined #openttd 11:19:41 *** Dred_furst` [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:25:12 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 11:25:24 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387DA6E.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:27:59 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 11:35:32 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC7F0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:45 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:36:01 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:38:54 *** Dred_furst` [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:48:35 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:56:16 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 11:57:05 <CIA-5> truelight * r5728 /branches/TGP/ (22 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) 11:57:05 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Add: redid the whole GUI for World Generation 11:57:05 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Add: gave Heightmap his own GUI 11:57:05 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Change: changed the intro_gui 11:57:05 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Change: changed the tg_seed to generation_seed, because it now works for 11:57:05 <CIA-5> all generators. Use the same seed with the same options, and you get _exactly_ 11:57:09 <CIA-5> the same map, down to the little details as trees and population. 11:59:13 <peter1138> s/his/its/ 11:59:25 <peter1138> silly languages with genders ;) 11:59:43 <Bjarni> it's more like English is no fun 11:59:43 <peter1138> bah 11:59:52 <Bjarni> you have to have at least two genders to have real fun :) 12:00:55 <CIA-5> truelight * r5729 /branches/TGP/settings_gui.c: [TGP] -Remove: removed the patch settings that are also in the generate world GUI 12:01:52 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 12:04:36 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:55 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:09:32 *** Celestar_ [n=Jadzia_D@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 12:12:09 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:12:21 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:12:36 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:14:33 <CIA-5> truelight * r5730 /branches/TGP/ (genworld_gui.c lang/english.txt): [TGP] -Add: give a simple warning if a user makes a change in GenerateWorld GUI that changes the difficulty level to custom 12:14:58 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 12:16:01 *** Celestar [n=Jadzia_D@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:16:18 *** Celestar_ [n=Jadzia_D@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:16:29 <CIA-5> truelight * r5731 /branches/TGP/TODO.TGP: [TGP] -Fix: remove an item from the TODO when it is done 12:28:25 <roboman> gnight 12:30:27 <Mucht|work> night? where :-P 12:30:29 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:32:03 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 12:36:23 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:36:32 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 12:39:30 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-239-206.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:55:17 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36231.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:00:08 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:00:08 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:05:00 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-239-206.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Client Quit] 13:10:08 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCEE964.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 13:10:49 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:24:03 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 13:32:45 <luckzi> what exactly makes cities grow, by the way? and is there some patch for them to.. do that in more civilized ways? 13:33:06 <hylje> passenger service 13:33:11 <Bjarni> goods 13:33:12 <hylje> and in some climates food and water 13:33:12 <Bjarni> mail 13:33:53 <Bjarni> you are in bad luck if it's a town in the desert without a water tower. You need to deliver food and water for it to grow 13:34:07 <Bjarni> if they don't accept it, then forget about that town 13:34:17 <Bjarni> in arctic towns in the snow needs food to grow 13:34:38 <Bjarni> and by needs, they will not grow if it lacks nomatter what else you do 13:35:49 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-205-132.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:36:22 <toweri> BTW, that "no water tower in desert" reminds me - I'm using a semi-recent MiniIN (r5400something), generated an arctic 512*512 map with low towns and industries... and ended up with gazillion paper mills and printing works, but no forests at all... is this considered bad luck or a bug? :P 13:36:51 <hylje> kind of bug, forests show only up on high ground 13:37:00 <hylje> so if landscape is low, theres no high ground 13:38:53 <toweri> ...oh. right. 13:39:28 <toweri> Well, I guess I'll stick to hauling food (with its precursors), passengers, coal, oil, mail... 13:39:42 <toweri> Or generate a new map... 13:40:11 <Bjarni> <hylje> so if landscape is low, theres no high ground <-- now that sounds like a bug :P 13:45:20 *** OwenS [n=OwenS@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:45:48 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 13:48:09 <CIA-5> truelight * r5732 /branches/TGP/tgp.c: [TGP] -Remove: removed timer-code in TGP that tapped into YAPF core.. a bit nasty 13:50:40 <Bjarni> toweri: just checked. It's intended behaviour since you requested no hills ;) 13:51:16 <toweri> Well, the computer does exactly as asked... 13:52:02 <Bjarni> see 13:52:07 <Bjarni> then what is the problem? 13:52:18 <Bjarni> bug: the computer did as I asked it to do 13:53:24 <hylje> That is unintended behaviour and will be fixed in the next version. 13:54:20 <Bjarni> yeah 13:54:41 <Bjarni> max 10% of the tiles are allowed to be flat if you request a flat terrain 13:54:55 <Bjarni> otherwise it's too easy :p 13:55:39 <CIA-5> truelight * r5733 /branches/TGP/tgp.c: (log message trimmed) 13:55:39 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Remove: removed credits from source-files. If we start listing everyone 13:55:39 <CIA-5> who wrote a piece of code, most likely that list will be longer then the 13:55:39 <CIA-5> code itself (no offense). So, from this position I want to thank R. Kempton 13:55:39 <CIA-5> and KUDr for their great work on the TGP code, and HJ. Malthaner for the 13:55:40 <CIA-5> original code this TGP is based on, and all the others helped debugging and 13:55:44 <CIA-5> commenting on it. Tnx! 13:55:52 *** Sacro [n=chatzill@83.100.252.7] has joined #openttd 13:55:58 <Sacro> ahh, chatzilla 13:56:22 <glx> chatzilla is good for irc beginner :) 13:56:48 <glx> its main problem is when you crash firefox 13:57:02 <hylje> imho irssi is good for irc beginner 13:57:17 <Zavior> mirc 13:57:35 <Sacro> heh, i was going to install Hydra 13:58:16 <Sacro> http://www.sumolounge.com/ *drools* 14:05:50 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 14:06:18 <CIA-5> truelight * r5734 /branches/TGP/ (genworld_gui.c lang/english.txt): [TGP] -Fix: forgot to fix a TODO on the title of the World Generate GUIs 14:06:59 *** Sacro [n=chatzill@83.100.252.7] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.5/2006071912]"] 14:21:02 *** jcerd [n=tuanhaot@58.186.75.41] has joined #openttd 14:21:24 *** Sacro [n=chatzill@83.100.252.7] has joined #openttd 14:31:02 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 14:34:12 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 14:34:17 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 14:41:02 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 14:41:49 *** jcerd [n=tuanhaot@58.186.75.41] has quit [Client Quit] 14:41:56 *** Spoco [i=Spoco@havock.dy.asm.fi] has joined #openttd 14:42:45 <CIA-5> truelight * r5735 /branches/TGP/ (TODO.TGP tgp.c): 14:42:45 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Codechange: walked through tgp.c, correcting small things like: 14:42:45 <CIA-5> - Comments via /* */ 14:42:45 <CIA-5> - Don't make useless temp variables 14:42:45 <CIA-5> - Don't make silly fors 14:42:45 <CIA-5> And more of such non-important stuff. Greatly written code tgp.c is! 14:44:02 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc6745112031.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 14:46:10 <CIA-5> truelight * r5736 /branches/TGP/ (debug.c debug.h): [TGP] -Cleanup: TGP doesn't need a debug level anymore 14:53:16 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 14:56:35 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 15:01:03 <CIA-5> truelight * r5737 /branches/TGP/variables.h: [TGP] -Tinyfix: old comment on generation_seed (sorry, it is in variables.h :s) 15:05:05 <luckzi> shouldn't there be options to set the initial loan interest rate higher? 15:05:13 <Darkvater> difficulty option 15:05:54 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 15:06:25 <luckzi> I mean higher than you can set it there, Darkvater :p 15:06:27 <luckzi> sorry. 15:06:32 <luckzi> only goes from 2 to 4 percent 15:06:37 <Darkvater> ah 15:06:54 <luckzi> and I guess 6 or so would be what I'd like to use 15:07:21 <luckzi> but maybe setting it to zero or similar should also be possible, for more flexibility. 15:08:30 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 15:10:21 <CIA-5> truelight * r5738 /branches/TGP/genworld_gui.c: [TGP] -Fix: small GUI correction, height was off by 3 pixels 15:10:22 <luckzi> is there any plan to add the option to manually renew a single chosen vehicle, or to have it automatically be changed in some way upon the next depot visit? 15:10:44 <luckzi> maybe also with the option to do that to all vehicles it shares its orders with. 15:10:51 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 15:18:12 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 15:20:54 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:23:50 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 15:25:17 *** superbob [i=superbob@c01v-212-194-161-3.n.club-internet.fr] has joined #openttd 15:25:19 <superbob> hello 15:26:06 *** Sacro [n=chatzill@83.100.252.7] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]"] 15:26:51 <superbob> i'm new to openttd, and i try hardly to install newstations grf with it ... 15:27:06 <glx> which version? 15:27:15 <superbob> the last stable 15:27:25 <glx> no newstation in it 15:27:36 <superbob> ok ... and now way to add it ? 15:27:55 <glx> newstations are in nightlies 15:28:23 <superbob> newstations is included in the rc2 ? 15:28:34 <glx> no, will be in 0.5.0 15:29:04 <superbob> the nightlies works fine ? 15:29:34 <glx> most of the time yes 15:29:50 <superbob> ok, thx 15:29:57 <superbob> bye ! 15:32:03 *** superbob [i=superbob@c01v-212-194-161-3.n.club-internet.fr] has quit [] 15:33:06 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B83B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:40:45 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:43:34 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:45:47 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:50:30 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 15:52:49 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:53:45 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:54:01 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:01:56 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 16:03:38 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Client Quit] 16:04:12 *** phaethon2 [i=rewired@avenger.kirenet.com] has joined #openttd 16:04:18 <phaethon2> hi all 16:04:33 <phaethon2> i have a question to one of the developers or experienced server admins over here 16:04:40 <phaethon2> i am hosting multiple servers right now 16:04:46 *** Xeryus|slaap [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:05:08 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:05:11 <phaethon2> but when the map gets full my players get a lot of desyncs 16:05:12 *** Xeryus|slaap is now known as XeryusTC 16:05:37 <phaethon2> is there anything i can do about it i have tried many things like tweaking the net_frame_freq 16:05:42 <phaethon2> and other server vars 16:05:52 <phaethon2> it is very important to me that i have a reliable server 16:05:56 <phaethon2> can anybody help me? 16:06:50 <Zavior> Are you using any newgrfs? 16:07:29 <phaethon2> no net yet my server is very basic at the moment 16:07:52 <phaethon2> only have set settings like autoclean and changed a few patches 16:08:06 <Zavior> No idea then :c 16:08:14 <Zavior> Ask brianetta, he might have something 16:08:39 <phaethon2> i know it is not my connection because i have 1mbit upload and am using around 100kbit when the servers are really crowded 16:08:51 <phaethon2> okay thnx for trying to help me 16:09:13 <phaethon2> i will be away for one hour so anyone with advice please contact my via pm 16:12:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> desyncs are never network speed related 16:12:46 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 16:12:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> desyncs are differences in the game state 16:13:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> i.e. one client calculated something differently than the server 16:21:23 *** Spoco [i=Spoco@havock.dy.asm.fi] has quit [] 16:26:12 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 16:29:29 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:31:55 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:37:36 <phaethon2> so when my network connection is not the troublemaker howto minimize desyncs in any other way? 16:38:27 <gradator> keep a low cpu usage :) 16:38:40 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 16:39:40 *** sayno [n=sayno@c-24-9-79-69.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 16:40:21 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:40:31 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:40:35 <phaethon2> well i guess an 5min load average of 0.05 should be high enough 16:40:45 <phaethon2> low i mean :) 16:43:47 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:45:39 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:46:55 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host72-174.pool8260.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 16:47:07 <Wolf01> yo 16:47:10 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:50:54 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:51:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> phaethon2: 95% of all desyncs are newgrf related, the others are flaws in the game logic, or cosmic radiation ^^ 16:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you get a reproducible case, report that to bugs.openttd.org 16:53:25 *** Frostregen_ [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-137-069.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:38 *** Spoco|ASM06 [n=Spoco@havock.dy.asm.fi] has joined #openttd 16:55:41 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:01:20 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181112200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:01:32 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:02:44 <CIA-5> truelight * r5739 /branches/TGP/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [TGP] -Fix: route newmap requests through a wrapper so we can control things like the seed 17:05:52 <CIA-5> truelight * r5740 /branches/TGP/console_cmds.c: [TGP] -Fix: a _very_ wrong comment for the 'newgame' command 17:06:53 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 17:10:30 *** Frostregen [i=SADDAM@dslb-084-058-138-150.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:10:32 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 17:13:21 <CIA-5> truelight * r5741 /branches/TGP/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 17:13:21 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Add: 'newgame [seed]' for console, allows you to give a generation_seed at newgame 17:13:21 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Add: 'restart', restarts the map with the exact same conditions as the first run (if of course you use the same version ;)) 17:13:37 *** Xeryus|slaap [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 17:14:12 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:14:15 *** Xeryus|slaap is now known as XeryusTC 17:21:26 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:22:14 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:28:33 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181112200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 17:31:36 <edeca> Has anybody ever considered adding templates to the game, so that a preformed section of track can be built? 17:31:40 <edeca> Like junctions, up and over etc 17:34:02 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 17:34:03 <Wolf01> if you have read the forum, you should have noticed that this is already possible 17:35:49 <edeca> Really? 17:35:56 <edeca> I stopped reading it a while back, I should get back on tehre 17:35:59 <edeca> And start patching again too ;) 17:36:06 <edeca> I miss yellow signals 17:37:37 <edeca> Are there any other cool patches Wolf01? 17:37:45 <Wolf01> just read the forum 17:37:51 <edeca> Fair enough :) 17:38:02 <edeca> I got bored a while back, now I'm playing again. 17:38:18 <edeca> I guess it's not possible to bridge over diagonals and things yet though :( 17:38:37 <Wolf01> yes is possible, but the patch is not yet released 17:39:41 <edeca> Thank you. 17:39:53 <edeca> Do you know what subject the templates thing is under? 17:40:01 <Wolf01> copypaste 17:40:24 <edeca> Thanks 17:49:02 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:27 *** MatzeB [n=matze@i3ED6E377.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:51:39 *** muddypaws [n=publunch@87.113.84.22.bbplus.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:45 <muddypaws> miaow 17:52:14 <scia> no, no food for you ;p 17:54:09 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 17:55:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> got milk? ;) 17:56:13 *** tokai|alternativ [n=tokai@p54B83B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:01:32 *** publunch [n=publunch@87.113.78.133.bbplus.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:04:30 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181112200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:07:50 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-172-108.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:09:46 <CIA-5> miham * r5742 /trunk/lang/slovak.txt: 18:09:46 <CIA-5> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-08-03 20:09:26 18:09:46 <CIA-5> slovak - 12 changed by lengyel (12) 18:09:46 *** muddypaws [n=publunch@87.113.84.22.bbplus.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:10:37 *** muddypaws [n=publunch@87.113.84.22.bbplus.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:10:38 <Wolf01> how can i do "("+x+","+y+")"? 18:10:55 <Sacro> Wolf01: :| 18:10:56 <Sacro> you dont 18:11:10 <Wolf01> i'm used to java and i can't understand well c 18:11:44 <Sacro> Wolf01: what are you attempting to do? 18:12:12 <Wolf01> i have int x,y; and i want to write (x,y) 18:12:57 <edeca> printf("(%d,%d)", x, y); 18:13:39 <Wolf01> ok, thanks 18:14:27 <edeca> Use sprintf if you want to "print" it into another variable 18:14:42 <edeca> And be very careful, never do: printf(x); 18:14:50 <edeca> (Although ints wouldn't be that bad :) 18:16:46 <tokai|alternativ> edeca: eh? it probably gets converted to char * and then u print random stuff and probably crash :) 18:18:19 <edeca> tokai|alternativ: Exactly, but if it is a char and accepted (or can be manipulated) by a user, say goodbye to your stack and hello to vulnerabilities :) 18:19:27 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 18:23:12 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-172-108.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:25:07 <edeca> I still can't find that copy&paste patch for templated track laying, anybody know where it is? 18:30:21 *** mikk36[EST] [n=mikk35@pc79.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:30:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> you could use the MiniIN 18:30:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is included there 18:31:57 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc79.host2.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:32:19 <luckzi> huh? did I not see that? 18:33:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> nobody really can tell what you see or not ;) 18:35:08 <edeca> Hm, I've not looked at miniin 18:36:33 <edeca> Is there any info about it? 18:36:38 <luckzi> Eddi|zuHause2: well, where would I find that in miniin? 18:36:45 <luckzi> edeca: start with the wiki, has all necessary links 18:36:55 <edeca> luckzi: Nice, thanks 18:37:04 <luckzi> (thread, bug thread, downloads etc) 18:37:23 <luckzi> I'd just give you the link directly, but my firefox doesn't feel like responding atm 18:37:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have never used c&p, so i cannot tell ;) 18:38:32 <Wolf01> uhm, why is buyland function executed twice? 18:39:11 <luckzi> edeca: http://wiki.openttd.com/index.php/Mini_Integrated_Nightly 18:39:18 <luckzi> links at botgtom 18:39:20 <luckzi> *bottom 18:39:59 <OwenS> You know, I find it kinda rediculous you can build Semaphores on Maglev tracks... 18:40:19 <OwenS> Of course, it's silly you can build any signals considering all real world maglevs use MB-PBS... 18:41:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> Wolf01: once to test and once to execute? 18:41:06 <edeca> OwenS: MB-PBS? 18:41:21 <Wolf01> uhm, yeah 18:41:26 <OwenS> Moving Block Path Based Signals 18:41:35 <Wolf01> i tought that tested and executed at the same time 18:41:41 <OwenS> No specific signal blocks as such, theyre all "virtual" and decided as a train passes 18:44:30 <luckzi> you still have to tell trains which way they have to drive :p 18:44:50 <Wolf01> this is on the map generation: 18:44:50 <Wolf01> Tile: (41,41) - (41,41) by 15 <- the first point is the start_tile, the second is the end_tile, the third number is the player who purchase land 18:44:57 <OwenS> No, you have to tell the track which way to drive the train :P 18:45:03 <Wolf01> Tile: (30,33) - (30,33) by 0, this is when i purchase land 18:46:00 <Wolf01> and i get an assert on res == res2 and an error message "out of map bounds" or something like it 18:46:07 *** kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has joined #openttd 18:46:14 <kbrooks> hi all. 18:46:16 <kbrooks> :-) 18:46:20 <Wolf01> hi kbrooks 18:47:16 <CIA-5> truelight * r5743 /branches/TGP/ (8 files): 18:47:16 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Add: save some essential things so 'restart' now gives always the as 18:47:16 <CIA-5> it was at start. This needs a savegame-version-bump. 18:47:16 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Fix: I _think_ I know finally understand _patches and _patches_newgame. 18:47:16 <CIA-5> Changed some code related to it. 18:47:17 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Cleanup: removed some now unneeded extern declerations 18:49:56 <edeca> Woah, that copy and paste is exactly what I wanted. 18:50:59 <edeca> Shame it doesn't build bridges too :) 18:51:00 <Wolf01> and you can save the selection into files 18:51:21 <edeca> Yes, I just found that 18:51:22 <edeca> So neat! 18:51:36 <Wolf01> it doesn't build bridges? 18:51:51 <Wolf01> are both bridge ends into the selection? 18:52:00 <edeca> I believe so, let me check again 18:52:13 <CIA-5> truelight * r5744 /branches/TGP/ (TODO.TGP intro_gui.c): [TGP] -Fix: disable Play Heightmap if there is no Heightmap support 18:52:28 <edeca> Odd, it worked that time. 18:52:36 <Wolf01> oO 18:52:39 <edeca> But the one I saved didn't 18:52:44 <edeca> Perhaps it doesn't save bridges, let me see 18:53:24 <edeca> It doesn't seem to save the bridges. 18:53:39 <edeca> Last nightly, I did: copy, save, load, paste. 18:53:41 <Wolf01> Frostregen, bug! 18:53:53 <edeca> Do I get a special badge for noticing it? ;) 18:54:03 <CIA-5> truelight * r5745 /branches/TGP/ (TODO.TGP command.c): [TGP] -Fix: you could press SHIFT in World Generation, causing funny effects ;) 18:54:05 <Wolf01> maybe yes :D 18:54:28 <edeca> Well I have to go for now anyway, but I will keep my eye on it :) 18:57:45 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:58:16 <Wolf01> Darkvater, ping, pong, slap 19:00:36 <CIA-5> truelight * r5746 /branches/TGP/openttd.c: [TGP] -Fix: make sure _patches is filled with _patches_newgame if using -g from command-line (tnx for spotting Rubidium) 19:07:49 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B75FFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 19:08:58 *** mikk36[EST] [n=mikk35@pc79.host2.starman.ee] has quit ["The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him"] 19:10:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B76B9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:12:14 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5747 /branches/TGP/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [TGP] -Sync: synced with trunk up to 5746 19:12:15 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc79.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:16:31 <CIA-5> truelight * r5748 /branches/TGP/genworld_gui.c: [TGP] -Fix: dedicated % done code was unreadable and had a bug.. rewrote it, and now the bug is gone :) 19:16:40 <kbrooks> hmm, 19:16:59 <kbrooks> seems like ill have to redo the package :-) 19:19:00 <kbrooks> well, i NEED a ppackage. so i guess ill grab the src code nd use checkinstall. sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......... 19:19:42 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B83B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:21:11 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B82F45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:22:33 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 19:23:59 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["WORK!"] 19:31:40 *** tokai|alternativ [n=tokai@p54B83B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:32:08 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 19:38:12 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 19:39:43 *** sayno [n=sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:46 *** tokai|alternativ [n=tokai@p54B82643.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:40:27 <sayno> I compiled r5431 nightly, in order to connect to a server running that version, but it says version mismatch 19:40:30 <sayno> can someone help me 19:40:55 <glx> which compiler? 19:41:09 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176104004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:41:20 <Eddi|zuHause> you must have the revision string set correctly 19:41:26 <sayno> where is that 19:41:29 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:41:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. it must say "r5431" in the window title 19:41:50 <sayno> yea I noticed all it says is Open TTD 19:41:52 <sayno> nothing else 19:41:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i repeat glx, which compiler? 19:42:06 <sayno> gcc I believe 19:42:12 <sayno> i just used ./configure and make 19:42:18 <Eddi|zuHause> OS? 19:42:30 *** _max_ [i=xXx@seduce-and-destroy.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:42:31 <glx> how did you get the source? 19:42:34 <sayno> Debian/Ubuntu 6.06 kernel 2.6.17.6SMP 19:43:01 *** __max_ [i=xXx@seduce-and-destroy.com] has joined #openttd 19:43:03 <Eddi|zuHause> sayno: in order to get the revision string set automatically, you need to have SVN installed 19:43:15 <Eddi|zuHause> and check out the source from SVN 19:43:59 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise you can 'make RELEASE="r5431"' or something like that 19:44:03 <sayno> ok 19:44:08 <sayno> what is SVN 19:44:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but you need to be very careful with that 19:44:19 <sayno> sorry if thats a noob question 19:44:20 <Eddi|zuHause> google -> SVN ;) 19:44:52 <sayno> ok 19:45:45 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B82F45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:47:02 <sayno> ok ive installed svn im going to configure and make again 19:47:05 <sayno> see if this works 19:47:28 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B82643.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:47:55 <glx> you need to do "svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk -r5431" before 19:47:59 <edeca> Who administrates my company if I am not, does it continue to run without any changes? 19:50:20 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:53:27 *** Spoco|ASM06 [n=Spoco@havock.dy.asm.fi] has quit [] 19:53:54 *** Spoco|ASM06 [i=Spoco@havock.dy.asm.fi] has joined #openttd 19:56:08 <sayno> Eddi ' make RELEASE="r5431" ' worked like a charm! 19:56:10 <sayno> thanks man 19:57:50 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20:08:36 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 20:08:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it works, but be careful because if you set a revision number that is not your revision you can cause desyncs 20:08:54 <Eddi|zuHause> especially, if you modified the source yourself 20:10:37 <CIA-5> truelight * r5749 /branches/TGP/genworld_gui.c: [TGP] -Change: instead of updating the GenProgress GUI every N percent, update it every 250ms. Makes less updates on fast machines, less wasting in painting. Makes more updates on slow machines, showing more progress. 20:15:09 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:15:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:15:26 *** tokai|badnetwork [n=tokai@p54B82464.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:15:57 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit ["My BNC will keep you warm, vist #teamlag, #hexus.cs"] 20:16:08 <Bjarni> tokai|badnetwork: ok, I presume it's the same as saying "don't you the same ISP as I do" ;) 20:16:35 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 20:19:58 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82464.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:20:16 <Bjarni> tokai: ok, you really do have a bad network :P 20:22:05 <edeca> Who administrates my company if I am not, does it continue to run without any changes? 20:22:15 <edeca> i.e. if I make a subsidiary 20:23:05 <Bjarni> does it continue to run without any changes? <-- yes 20:23:11 <edeca> Fantastic, thanks. 20:23:15 <Bjarni> well, subsidiary... I don't know 20:23:18 <edeca> In some other games it gives it to the AI :( 20:23:18 <Bjarni> I presume so 20:23:29 <Bjarni> it's like that if you leave a network game 20:23:50 <Bjarni> then the AI flag needs to be set and taken away when you return 20:24:02 <edeca> No no, I don't want the AI to have it. 20:24:09 <Bjarni> I don't think that happens, though I haven't actually checked it 20:24:37 <Bjarni> <edeca> No no, I don't want the AI to have it. <-- nobody wants the AI to do stuff to your company ;) 20:25:13 <Bjarni> btw if you want to try something funny, play in single player and cheat to control an AI company and just do stuff 20:25:28 <edeca> Why's that? 20:25:35 <Bjarni> it's really easy to confuse the AI if you build stuff that's not in it's "plan" 20:25:49 <edeca> Aah :) 20:25:59 <Bjarni> that will produce interesting results once in a while 20:26:19 <Bjarni> I would not recommend actually playing a game like that though... just as a quick joke 20:26:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i would not recommend playing a game with AI enabled :ü 20:26:51 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 20:27:06 <edeca> I hate the AI, they go bankrupt and I buy for £1 then sell all the assets ;) 20:27:18 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3FC1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 20:28:27 <kbrooks> edeca: "assets"? 20:28:36 <Bjarni> vehicles 20:28:40 <Bjarni> I presume 20:28:59 <kbrooks> how could you sell the assets quickly? :-) 20:30:24 <Bjarni> I tried in an MP game, that a guy built an extremely long railroad (more than 300 tiles) and then was near bankruptcy. I waited for him to actually go bankrupt, buy his railroad cheap and then improve the signals and add more trains 20:30:32 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B82643.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:30:41 <Bjarni> didn't happen because he somehow manage to make some money in the last moment 20:30:49 *** tokai|alternativ [n=tokai@p54B82643.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:31:42 <Bjarni> it would have been a great railroad if he had removed all the 180° turns and some oddly placed signals (danger of deadlocks) 20:36:38 <kbrooks> Bjarni: heh 20:36:56 <kbrooks> Bjarni: i am bored :-) 20:38:27 <Bjarni> well 20:38:29 <Bjarni> I'm not 20:39:00 <kbrooks> Bjarni: id lik to pplay with you :P 20:40:18 *** Real^Osai [n=Osai@p54B37E68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:46 <Bjarni> why? 20:40:56 <Bjarni> to practice loosing? 20:41:04 <kbrooks> Bjarni: *i'm* bored and want some simulation 20:41:49 <Bjarni> yikes 20:42:23 <Bjarni> there is no way that I will stimulate you >_< 20:42:42 <kbrooks> Bjarni: i like challenges :-) 20:44:00 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/63692 <-- I like this one :D 20:44:07 <Rubidium> kbrooks: then try to find bugs in svn://svn.openttd.org/branches/TGP :) 20:44:27 <Bjarni> Rubidium: been there, done that 20:44:47 <Bjarni> TL is still working on my "random crash when generating maps" 20:44:54 <Rubidium> the question is whether kbrooks did 20:45:35 <Rubidium> he didn't tell me about 20:46:09 <Bjarni> well, it crashes in an assert in the GUI once in a while when generating a map 20:46:14 <kbrooks> Rubidium: i am not a C coder 20:46:15 <kbrooks> ffs 20:46:39 <Rubidium> you usually find bugs by testing it 20:46:43 <Bjarni> and it appears that it happens at complete random. It's not really related to any settings, not even the random seed 20:47:14 <Bjarni> <kbrooks> Rubidium: i am not a C coder <-- you find bugs by using the software and look for places where it behaves different from what you expect 20:47:22 <Bjarni> like if it crashes 20:47:39 <Bjarni> or makes a map with nothing but water 20:48:03 <kbrooks> ah ok 20:48:05 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36231.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:48:20 <glx> [22:47:51] <@Bjarni> or makes a map with nothing but water <-- it crashes in this case, because can't place town or industries 20:48:21 <kbrooks> ill do later 20:48:55 <Rubidium> Bjarni: ah... that one... "players.c:298: CheckTileOwnership: Assertion `owner <= OWNER_WATER' failed." 20:48:59 <Rubidium> ? 20:49:43 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 20:50:52 <Wolf01> 'night 20:50:59 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host72-174.pool8260.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 20:53:40 *** TronBSD is now known as Tron 20:55:42 *** Spoco|ASM06 [i=Spoco@havock.dy.asm.fi] has quit [] 20:56:56 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176125187.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:59:05 *** ericg [n=ericg@c-67-183-25-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:12 *** Spoco|ASM06 [i=Spoco@havock.dy.asm.fi] has joined #openttd 20:59:46 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-172-108.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:01:47 <tokai> Bjarni: i have :Ž( 21:02:52 *** phaethon2 [i=rewired@avenger.kirenet.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:11:13 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176104004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:18:19 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:20:56 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:21:25 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181112200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 21:22:30 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82464.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd ["icebears... take care of them!"] 21:32:17 <Bjarni> <Rubidium> Bjarni: ah... that one... "players.c:298: CheckTileOwnership: Assertion `owner <= OWNER_WATER' failed." <-- not at all 21:33:17 <kbrooks> ? 21:33:29 <Rubidium> hmm, then I'm not aware of it 21:34:02 <Bjarni> Rubidium: genworld_gui.c:558: failed assertion `_tp.class == class_table[class]' 21:34:15 <Bjarni> it's a really odd one 21:34:22 <Rubidium> that one should be fixed too 21:34:38 <Bjarni> since when? 21:34:45 <Bjarni> I had this problem like 5-6 hours ago 21:34:57 <Rubidium> hmm... 21:35:04 <Rubidium> any idea which revision that was 21:35:34 <Bjarni> checking 21:36:11 <Bjarni> 5732 I presume 21:36:31 <Bjarni> I think I updated a few times and I still got it 21:37:19 <Bjarni> say 5736 or 5737 was the last one I tried with 21:37:38 <Rubidium> don't you have local modifications? 21:37:46 <Bjarni> no 21:38:01 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 21:38:03 <Bjarni> that's always the first thing to check when you have problems 21:38:44 <Rubidium> in since r5707 that bug should not occur 21:39:11 <Bjarni> hmm 21:39:16 <kbrooks> maybe go back to r5708 an see if its fixed 21:39:24 <Bjarni> but I got it even with industries set to high 21:39:54 <Bjarni> kbrooks: that's part of the issue. I haven't figured out a a to reproduce the problem 21:40:20 <kbrooks> huh Bjarni 21:40:20 <Bjarni> same map same settings and same random seed gave the same map 3 times in a row and the 4th time, it made that assert 21:40:37 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:41:08 <Bjarni> aka, the worst kind of bug 21:41:16 <kbrooks> id like to play with anyone in here. 21:41:49 <Sacro> :O 21:41:50 <Bjarni> YES 21:41:57 <Bjarni> for the first time, I actually managed to get it to crash in the debugger 21:42:02 <Sacro> :o it just gets worse 21:42:07 <edeca> What's the advantage of subsidaries? 21:42:07 <kbrooks> start a server and lets get going :-) 21:42:16 <Sacro> Bjarni: ill debugger you ;) 21:42:20 <kbrooks> edeca: search the forums. 21:42:24 * Bjarni compiles Sacro 21:42:25 <edeca> kbrooks: Thanks 21:42:31 <kbrooks> edeca: that has been hashed out once 21:42:35 <Rubidium> when looking at the code, the only possible way it could go wrong is when you call IncreaseGeneratingWorldProgress() with the wrong gwp_class, and that should always trigger 21:43:00 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 21:43:37 <Bjarni> Rubidium: bt in PM (it's a bit long 21:44:20 *** Real^Osai is now known as Osai 21:48:31 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:52:54 <Sacro> :o http://qdb.us/63692 21:56:20 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:56:31 <Bjarni> Sacro: you haven't notice until now? 21:57:39 <Sacro> Bjarni: im slow 21:59:03 <Bjarni> maybe you should be the one on Retard medication :p 21:59:14 <Sacro> i am on medication 22:02:01 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:03:27 <Sacro> heh, jon prescott is amusing 22:03:36 <Brianetta> In a fat tosser kind of way 22:03:50 <Bjarni> <Sacro> i am on medication <-- are you sure that it's strong enough? 22:05:26 <Sacro> [23:05] <Bjarni> <Sacro> i am on medication <-- are you sure that it's strong enough? <-- are you saying its not? 22:05:41 <Bjarni> maybe 22:05:58 <Bjarni> or maybe it's too strong 22:08:37 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:08:49 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #openttd 22:09:28 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit ["So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish"] 22:16:28 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 22:18:18 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 22:21:46 *** MatzeB [n=matze@i3ED6E377.versanet.de] has quit [] 22:23:30 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:23:51 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387DA6E.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 22:24:15 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:24:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 22:28:48 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:30:43 <Darkvater> tokai|badnetwork: around? 22:30:48 <Darkvater> Bjarni: wanna test something for me? 22:31:27 <Bjarni> Darkvater: that depends on what it is 22:31:49 <Darkvater> a diff 22:32:10 <Bjarni> wow 22:32:23 <Bjarni> I would never have quessed that 22:32:44 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.openttd.org/fio_unification.diff 22:32:50 <Darkvater> ;) 22:41:12 <Darkvater> Bjarni: and? 22:45:12 <Bjarni> ok, now it's compiled and started 22:45:18 <Bjarni> what needs testing? 22:45:27 <Darkvater> load game dialog 22:45:29 <Bjarni> (sorry about the delay, I'm multitasking) 22:45:39 <Darkvater> do some browsing, goto root, go 2 deep, up 2 root 22:45:43 <Darkvater> but it should work if it compiles 22:46:24 <Bjarni> what did you do? 22:46:36 <Bjarni> unified disk access? 22:46:43 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B37E68.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:46:48 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:46:58 <Darkvater> I ripped out all the fios crap for win32/unix/os2.c 22:47:12 <Darkvater> implemented opendir/readdir/closedir on windows 22:47:21 <Darkvater> yeah and unified 22:47:32 <Bjarni> nice 22:47:46 <Bjarni> now it's possible to break loading on all platforms at once :) 22:47:54 <Darkvater> :) 22:48:11 <hylje> fios? fiber optic system? 22:48:15 <Darkvater> it needs some polishing and chopping up into smaller parts, but basically it's done 22:48:18 <tokai|badnetwork> Darkvater: looks nice from looking at the diff, but i can't test now... 22:48:22 <Darkvater> FileInputOutpuSystem 22:48:24 <Darkvater> tokai|badnetwork: :( 22:48:37 <Darkvater> tokai|badnetwork: I really need your testing, especially with the root thingie 22:48:41 <Darkvater> hope I got it right 22:48:58 <Darkvater> which reminds me that I would also need orudge for os/2 22:49:57 <tokai|badnetwork> Darkvater: i guess i can implement some morphos compatible volume switching using get drive 22:50:48 <Darkvater> is it that hard to switch drives? 22:51:02 <Darkvater> doesn't it just need a list of drives and fopen does the rest...I hope ;) 22:51:17 <tokai|badnetwork> Darkvater: no. I just need to implement stuff using morphos api 22:51:24 <Darkvater> ah 22:51:31 <Darkvater> well if you can, please test 22:51:35 <tokai|badnetwork> for the list of drives that is 22:51:42 <tokai|badnetwork> fopen does the rest then, indeed 22:56:00 *** __max_ is now known as _max_ 22:57:55 <Bjarni> http://images.funfreepages.com/images/linux_chick.jpg <-- how can it be that every time I meet linux people, they are long haired men and not at all like this picture? :/ 22:59:23 <hylje> bad luck, wrong conventions 22:59:39 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 22:59:41 <kbrooks> im not "long haired" :-) 23:00:34 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-172-108.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:01:23 <Bjarni> kbrooks: well, you lack boobs 23:01:44 <OwenS> Bjarni: Because it says it "never looked this good" :P 23:01:56 <tokai|badnetwork> looks shopped ;) 23:02:08 <OwenS> Nah, Gimped :P 23:03:02 <tokai|badnetwork> nah ;) 23:03:12 <OwenS> Kvivioed? :P 23:03:15 <Bjarni> http://images.funfreepages.com/images/difference.jpg <-- well, looking at this makes me feel like I'm not in the worst place :) 23:03:26 <OwenS> lol 23:05:38 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't actually need that pic to know that america is the worse place :p 23:05:53 <Eddi|zuHause> (but it sure as hell helps ;)) 23:07:25 *** Ihmemies_ [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 23:07:54 <Bjarni> I know 23:08:26 <ericg> i thought miniin had planeset integrated into it 23:08:31 <ericg> mine doesn't :( 23:08:37 <luckzi> no no, not integrated. 23:08:42 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it has planeset support implemented 23:08:46 <ericg> oh 23:08:48 <ericg> ;) 23:08:49 <luckzi> you don't get new vehics by default. 23:08:54 <luckzi> gotta download them yourself. 23:08:55 <Eddi|zuHause> you still need the actual planeset grf ;) 23:09:00 <ericg> yeah, i had that installed 23:09:07 <ericg> and read that it had planeset, and went, guh? 23:09:08 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, trunk also has planeset support by now 23:09:16 <Bjarni> http://images.funfreepages.com/images/walkingthedog.jpg <-- hahaha... I guess that's a US guy :D 23:09:17 <Eddi|zuHause> only miniin has some extra bits 23:09:35 <ericg> can anyone ever make a profit with helicopters? 23:09:40 <ericg> they seem to be hilarious moneylosers 23:09:52 * luckzi raises hand 23:09:59 <luckzi> zeps lose me money, most of the time. 23:10:05 <luckzi> but helis and planes and anything.. 23:10:05 <ericg> what's your trick? 23:10:11 <ericg> i make bank with planes 23:10:12 <luckzi> I build them :x 23:10:32 <luckzi> 345 income, 124 running costs for planes in current game, in 1958 23:10:38 <DaleStan> I suspect you give them orders too. 23:11:23 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 23:11:51 <luckzi> that too. though they don't cost much when not given anything to do ;) 23:12:10 <Bjarni> http://images.funfreepages.com/images/kkk_002.jpg <-- typo :P 23:13:12 <hylje> heh 23:15:31 <luckzi> :) 23:15:51 <Bjarni> http://images.funfreepages.com/images/jesus_illusion.gif <-- what do you see? 23:16:08 <Bjarni> I don't think I see the right thing 23:16:56 <ericg> are you using helicopters for short or long range flights, then? 23:18:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: funny, that works ;) 23:18:31 <Bjarni> what do you see? 23:18:45 <Eddi|zuHause> well. a face of a beardy man or something 23:19:01 <Bjarni> ok, I will not say what I saw :) 23:19:03 <Bjarni> XD 23:19:06 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:19:07 <luckzi> I guess medium-range. 23:19:14 <Eddi|zuHause> which is probably nothing what jesus actually looked like, but well ;) 23:19:32 <Bjarni> ok, since you insist. I saw a glowing red square 23:19:36 <ericg> white jesus! 23:20:26 <luckzi> it.. works for me. 23:20:28 <luckzi> the jesus thing :p 23:20:41 <Bjarni> weird 23:21:16 <OwenS> I saw a red circle... Aah, that the light above my head 23:21:32 <Eddi|zuHause> whell, what you 'should' see is basically the inverse picture... with some eye trick magic 23:21:47 <Bjarni> it works for everybody but me o_O 23:21:47 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 23:21:58 <Bjarni> OwenS: will you inform us of your bright idea? 23:22:22 <Born_Acorn> Does it involve electromagnets? 23:22:22 <OwenS> Whatm a flourescent bulb? :P 23:23:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: then it's either something with your screen, something with your eyes, or something with your brain 23:23:57 *** Ihmemies_ [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:23:59 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-172-108.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:24:20 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: you say it like it's only one of those 23:24:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i noticed that after writing ;) 23:25:06 <luckzi> Bjarni: did you stare long enough? 23:25:13 <Bjarni> I think so 23:27:46 <Bjarni> ok, I just tried again... I got a circle, but it quickly ran to the right and disappeared 23:28:11 <ericg> your brain is crazy! 23:28:40 <Bjarni> before I really noticed anything in it 23:28:46 <Bjarni> who are you to make such statements? 23:29:04 <OwenS> It looks like a blurred, inverted, anti-aliassed version of that pictrue :p 23:29:14 <luckzi> it's maybe a better idea to look at the ceiling and blink. 23:29:20 <luckzi> or so my dutchgirl tells me. 23:29:41 <Bjarni> what's a dutchgirl? 23:29:44 <ericg> your screen probably doesn't have enough lumins ;p 23:29:45 <Bjarni> a girl from NL? 23:29:48 <ericg> *lumens 23:29:59 <Bjarni> that could be it 23:30:15 <luckzi> exactly that, Bjarni. 23:30:20 <Bjarni> I turned it down to a minimum because that's fitting for my eyes 23:30:25 <luckzi> it's basically like a dutchman, but then of the other gender there. 23:30:32 <Darkvater> < sleep 23:30:35 <luckzi> night. 23:30:40 <Darkvater> :) 23:31:17 <Bjarni> luckzi: why the nationality? Usually people just say my girlfriend or something 23:31:59 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a dutchman? 23:32:00 <luckzi> possibly because of my conversation with piratejerkk yesterday. 23:32:23 <luckzi> Eddi|zuHause: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutchman 23:32:57 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: it's something you launch with a catapult. Try to google for "flying dutchman" 23:35:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i am really missing some connection there... 23:38:33 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: are we using the same language 23:38:33 <Bjarni> ? 23:38:42 <Eddi|zuHause> probably not ;) 23:38:57 <luckzi> http://www.musicwithease.com/p1-flying-dutchman.jpg ;) 23:39:22 <luckzi> I don't see what your issue is, Eddi 23:40:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm just tired... ;) 23:40:33 <Bjarni> http://images.funfreepages.com/images/blowjob_after_race.jpg <-- hehe. Warning: adult content 23:40:46 <Bjarni> so Eddi|zuHause is not allowed to click on that link :P 23:41:29 <Eddi|zuHause> too late :p 23:42:17 <mikk36> old :) 23:43:30 <Bjarni> http://images.funfreepages.com/images/geek_in_a_can.jpg <-- LOL 23:45:27 <mikk36> :) 23:45:29 * luckzi yawns 23:45:49 <mikk36> damn it syncs so long :( 23:45:50 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 23:45:51 <luckzi> on the topic of linkspam. 23:45:52 <mikk36> in gentoo 23:45:57 <luckzi> 22:18:28 <~luckz> http://youtube.com/watch?v=6lWgXDOAJ5s&search=heat%20vision%20and%20jack <- watch this 23:45:57 <luckzi> 22:18:36 <~luckz> 30 minutes. 23:45:57 <luckzi> 22:38:34 <~luckz> it si teh good. 23:46:17 <luckzi> mikk36: what's wrong with the linux ports? 23:46:19 <luckzi> people keep complaining about those. 23:46:31 <mikk36> err.. i have sound chorus problem 23:46:34 <mikk36> nothing else 23:46:37 <luckzi> in win32, I just have the occasionally sync issue if I change too many things 23:46:38 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc6745112031.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:46:47 <luckzi> but connecting clients sync instantly and all, for an example 23:47:12 <mikk36> i'm not syncing ottd, but portage :) 23:47:34 <mikk36> to update to the latest firefox 23:48:06 <luckzi> ohh 23:48:08 <luckzi> okay 23:48:30 <mikk36> though.. i haven't tried going online in gentoo 23:48:37 <mikk36> no interest if the sound sucks 23:48:49 <mikk36> like 10 times chorus 23:49:01 <mikk36> not really enjoyable 23:49:32 <luckzi> I never really liked debian's auto-installing stuff. of course, it basically makes everything somewhat working, but you always get old versions of everything. 23:49:38 <luckzi> and manually changing little things breaks everything. 23:49:42 <mikk36> :P 23:49:47 <mikk36> no such problems here in gentoo 23:50:02 <mikk36> although it autoinstalls/compiles stuff 23:50:12 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody has yet to tell me how i manage the flash player to play sound :( 23:50:15 <luckzi> same for that google app package thing on windows. that's even more of a failure. 23:50:26 <mikk36> i have sound with flashplayer... somehow 23:50:30 <luckzi> Eddi|zuHause: which OS/browser? 23:50:33 <mikk36> but usually no video :P 23:50:46 <mikk36> because usually the videos are wmv 23:50:51 <Eddi|zuHause> SUSE Linux/KDE 3.5.1/Konqueror 23:51:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the videos play allright, only the sound is missing... 23:51:34 <mikk36> ok, fun 23:51:40 <mikk36> no 1.5.0.6 yet in gentoo 23:51:46 <mikk36> :/ 23:52:14 <mikk36> so our problems are exactly the opposites to each other :P 23:52:26 <Eddi|zuHause> we should join ;) 23:52:30 <mikk36> lol 23:52:35 <Eddi|zuHause> then we get no video with no sound ;) 23:52:38 <mikk36> so after that we have no sound and wide 23:52:41 <mikk36> video 23:52:49 <mikk36> :P 23:52:53 <mikk36> would be fun :D 23:53:07 <luckzi> [01:51:36] [mikk36] no 1.5.0.6 yet in gentoo <- proves my point ;p 23:53:21 <mikk36> well, it's only days old anyway :) 23:53:34 <mikk36> it autoupdated to it on my win machine 23:53:36 <Eddi|zuHause> the strange thing is... everything else has sound... Kaffeine, Amarok... even simultaneously 23:53:39 <mikk36> today 23:54:05 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc6745112031.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 23:54:07 <mikk36> Eddi|zuHause, maybe reinstall flash player or smth like that with sound support ? 23:54:13 <mikk36> if possible 23:55:02 <mikk36> Eddi|zuHause, btw, do u have that chorus problem in ottd ? 23:55:14 <Eddi|zuHause> what? 23:55:19 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.0 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 23:55:25 <mikk36> sound echoes itself fast about 10 times 23:55:47 <Eddi|zuHause> never noticed that... 23:55:53 <mikk36> ok :/ 23:55:58 <mikk36> what sound chip ? 23:56:38 <Eddi|zuHause> standard nvidia stuff 23:56:43 <Eddi|zuHause> onboard 23:56:47 <mikk36> realtek then 23:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause> ac97 23:57:00 <luckzi> nvidia were the people with the workish linnix drivers, no? ;p 23:57:05 <luckzi> what do you use, mikk36? 23:57:11 <mikk36> intel here 23:57:16 <mikk36> purely 23:57:17 * Sacro opens firefox and then forgets where he was going... 23:57:18 <mikk36> laptop :) 23:57:18 <Eddi|zuHause> luckz: that's mainly for the graphic card stuff 23:57:36 <mikk36> nvidia doesn't produce sound chips 23:57:39 <kbrooks> mikk36: wanna play w/ me on your server :p 23:57:45 <mikk36> uses realtek 23:57:47 <mikk36> hehe 23:57:49 <luckzi> I'm aware that nvidia don't do sound chips. 23:57:51 <mikk36> @ kbrooks 23:58:00 <luckzi> we already established that he had an ac97 23:58:07 <kbrooks> mikk36: empty at the moment 23:58:12 <kbrooks> mikk36: join in! 23:58:13 <mikk36> AC97 isn't realtek only either ;) 23:58:26 <mikk36> AC97 is a codec 23:58:29 <mikk36> not a product 23:58:38 <OwenS> AC97 is a peice of HDL IP 23:58:55 <OwenS> And sometimes is refered to as the Intel8x0, normally in 5.1 varieties 23:59:00 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 23:59:10 <luckzi> well, the comp industry seems to have taken a liking to speaking of "ac97 chips" 23:59:35 <Eddi|zuHause> well... it's what everybody has... so nothing special... 23:59:36 <OwenS> Yeah, they license the IP, synthesize chips out of it and sell them...