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00:01:27 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 00:01:27 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:02:19 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 00:02:26 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-196-218.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:02:51 <luckzeh> on discovery channel, police always responds "within moments" 00:04:41 *** JohnUK89 [n=John@149.254.200.215] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:06:54 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:09:51 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-245-25.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:13:43 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:16:11 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 00:16:21 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 00:16:22 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 00:16:28 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5764 /trunk/ (9 files): 00:16:28 <CIA-5> - Cleanup: - Cleanup: Move the now unified FiosAlloc, compare_FiosItems, FiosFreeSavegameList, FiosMakeSavegameName, FiosDelete and FileExists to newly created file fios.c where it belongs. 00:16:28 <CIA-5> - Fix: forgot to remove GetLanguageList from functions.h in previous commit 00:16:39 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-245-25.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:17:07 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:18:05 <UserErr0r> so i take it the answer to my question is no? :( 00:19:08 *** kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has left #openttd ["Konversation terminated!"] 00:19:16 *** Sacro_ [n=ben@adsl-213-249-245-25.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:20:39 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:22:16 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:41:08 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2C944.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:42:28 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B37ABB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:42:41 <Eddi|zuHause> argh, i hate java... 00:43:26 <Eddi|zuHause> why is it, when i tell it to use 32MB for the VM, it actually uses 350MB RAM? 00:47:37 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5765 /trunk/ (fios.c hal.h oldloader.c os2.c stdafx.h unix.c win32.c): - Codechange: Fully unify the OS-specific FiosGet...List functions into fios.c, as well as FiosGetSavegameList and FiosGetScenarioList functions with the help of some callbacks. 00:50:11 <Sacro_> Eddi|zuHause: its hungry? 00:52:35 <Triffid_Hunter> Eddi|zuHause: because it's java 00:53:13 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5766 /trunk/ (fios.c os2.c unix.c win32.c): - Cleanup: Unify FiosBrowseTo and FiosGetDescText 00:56:29 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@87.203.179.209] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:57:36 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2E0C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:57:36 *** dp is now known as dp-- 00:59:07 *** JerZuip is now known as JerGenoegGezopen 00:59:53 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5767 /trunk/ (9 files): 00:59:53 <CIA-5> - Cleanup: Improve upon the header file mess regarding fios. Move all relevant 00:59:53 <CIA-5> types from hal.h into fios.h, eliminate the unneccessary passing of a global 00:59:53 <CIA-5> variable, and extern variables in header files (declare in fios.c and misc_gui.c 01:00:20 <Darkvater> and done 01:00:22 <Darkvater> gn all :) 01:00:32 <Sacro_> Darkvater: night 01:05:19 *** k-man_ [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has left #openttd ["im outa here"] 01:08:54 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 01:09:37 *** JerGenoegGezopen [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:29:48 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:30:20 <luckzeh> night 01:31:33 <Sacro_> luckzeh: 30 mins later... :) 01:31:51 <luckzeh> not night there. 01:31:55 <luckzeh> night because I really need to sleep. 01:31:59 <luckzeh> I'm falling apart and asleep. 01:32:05 <luckzeh> and discovery chan sucks right now :p 01:37:04 <Sacro_> oh, ok 01:37:13 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 01:41:19 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 01:51:40 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176126188.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 01:55:47 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #openttd 02:03:36 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-245-25.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:09:05 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 02:11:54 *** Belugas_Gone [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:30:52 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 02:33:59 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 02:57:28 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-205-092.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! 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I finally figured out the sound problem. Warcraft3 had crashed earlier leaving behind a zombie process that was still using alsa. So, when sdl needed exclusive access to the soundcard, it didnt work, but anything that used alsa directly worked just fine.. 06:56:42 <Artanicus> ..soooo, perhaps ditch SDL audio for direct alsa? (: 06:58:14 <stavrosg> that's not so cross platform methinks [not that it matters, but it is an extra thing to be maintaned anyway] 06:59:19 <Artanicus> well, since there already is a cocoa and win32 sound driver in the sound/ dir, I think most angles are covered (: 07:00:06 <Artanicus> would be way nice if I could actually hear the larts and so on even while playing ottd.. 07:00:12 <Artanicus> *alerts 07:05:24 <Triffid_Hunter> Artanicus: alsa mixes fine for me in both wine and openttd 07:15:47 <Artanicus> mhh.. for me it mixes wine just fine (using alsa plugin ofcourse) but sdl requires exclusive o: 07:16:14 <Artanicus> does sdl have some kind of config? 07:20:41 <Artanicus> well 'export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa' helped but now theres weird distortion.. /: 07:29:38 <Artanicus> Triffid_Hunter, how did you get rid of the sound distortion? 07:29:59 <Triffid_Hunter> Artanicus: played with buffer size and period size settings in my /etc/asound.conf 07:30:21 <Artanicus> mhh.. is that equilant to .asoundrc? 07:30:31 <Triffid_Hunter> yep, but system-wide 07:30:57 <Artanicus> mind sharing your config, mine is rather basic.. /: 07:31:00 <Artanicus> ? 07:33:16 <Triffid_Hunter> http://triffid.funkmunch.net/console-tools/asound.conf 07:33:21 <Artanicus> thanks (: 07:36:43 <Triffid_Hunter> I wrote it as much to make sense of the docs as to play with dmix ;) 07:37:08 <Artanicus> heh (: 07:38:03 <Artanicus> hum.. weird.. if I include your config after my own, it starts complaining about my own dmix config.. o: 07:38:42 <Triffid_Hunter> heh that doesn't surprise me, it's not designed to share ;) 07:38:52 <Artanicus> yeah.. (: 07:39:18 <Artanicus> well, it doesnt work even if I use it exclusively.. oh well, will have to tweak alot then (: 07:40:04 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host72-174.pool8260.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 07:40:08 <Triffid_Hunter> yup that's what its for.. it seems to crash everyone's alsa but mine though, which I find strange 07:40:16 <Artanicus> hehe 07:40:19 <Wolf01> yo 07:43:35 <Artanicus> Triffid_Hunter, well, your config works otherwise just fine except theres no dmixing (: 07:47:40 *** Angst [n=Angst@p549446BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:50:02 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 07:52:50 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:56:54 *** TinoM|Mobil [n=tino@gprs-pool-1-027.eplus-online.de] has joined #openttd 08:01:45 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:15:30 *** guru3_ is now known as guru3 08:23:37 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5768 /branches/TGP/unmovable_cmd.c: [TGP] -Fix: scatter lighthouses more evenly around the perimeter, instead of randomly choosing an edge to put a lighthouse on, as that makes groups of lighthouses on the short edges on a long maps (64x2048 etc). 08:25:22 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81DAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:39:30 *** TinoM|Mobil [n=tino@gprs-pool-1-027.eplus-online.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:41:31 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-192-89.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 08:41:45 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 08:48:53 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@87.203.179.209] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:53:11 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 08:56:30 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:33:08 *** egladil_ibook is now known as egladil 09:34:08 <egladil> [04 20:17 CEST] Darkvater egladil_ibook: I'll let you guess what I am going to ask you ;p <=== progress is slow due to lack of time and broken computer. the latter will be fixed on monday 09:36:40 <Darkvater> kk 09:53:11 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:57:30 <edeca> Can anybody recommend some new graphics to try out to make the game pretty? 09:58:48 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-195-82.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:07:43 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:09:17 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 10:23:44 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCEE964.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 10:24:40 <edeca> What year does the intercontinental become available? 10:28:04 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:30:49 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5769 /trunk/win32.c: - Fix (r5762): fix some mistakes in the opendir code and filesize calculation. Thanks to Tron for noticing (and fixing). 10:41:44 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:45:18 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:51:25 *** warpi2 [n=warpi@c-3cebe055.458-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 10:53:13 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F30F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:01:52 <peter1138> hmm 11:02:03 <peter1138> 1280 iterations of the tile loop is a bit slow at 2048x2048 11:02:26 <hylje> id figure 11:04:53 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-70-28.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:06:38 <edeca> Man, this airport has about 25 aircraft that land at it to pick up goods, now there are 2500 crates waiting and planes aren't landing quick enough (there are up to 10 in the air) 11:06:41 <edeca> Any ideas? 11:06:53 <Rexxie> trains? :) 11:06:57 <SpComb> ships? 11:07:07 <edeca> Yeah, I was coming to that conclusion :) 11:07:12 <publunch> yeah, build a railwaystation at the side of the airport. 11:07:21 <edeca> But there aren't many towns around big enough to take goods without going miles :) 11:07:23 <publunch> Is it an international hairport? 11:07:25 <edeca> I'll extend my railway 11:07:30 <edeca> Yes it is publunch 11:07:32 <publunch> You could try upgrading. 11:07:35 <edeca> With international hair ;) 11:07:45 <edeca> The intercontinental isn't available yet (1993) 11:07:56 <edeca> When is electrified railway available? I've never played with it yet 11:08:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77D79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 11:09:25 <peter1138> depends on when the first electric loco is available 11:09:32 <edeca> Ah, that makes sense. 11:10:31 <warpi2> hey! anyone interested in joining a hard game at my server? starting now... 11:11:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B76FFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:12:37 <warpi2> it's a very hard game with no computers 11:13:56 <Rexxie> hmm, I was gonna try to code something for a change, so I start creating it, and while looking for existing code I can use, I find the same thing I'm trying to make is already implemented... I feel so dumb not having seen that before 11:18:25 <Wolf01> tron, today i need your help, i want to copy the newstation behaviour to be able to place things in the map with the purchase land tool so them aren't counted as stations 11:24:49 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC5E2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:38:10 <Eddi|zuHause> am i the only person that did not understand what you were trying to say? 11:40:35 <Rexxie> nope 11:42:48 *** warpi2 [n=warpi@c-3cebe055.458-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:42:54 *** znikoz [i=znikoz@82.207.44.61] has joined #openttd 11:52:29 <edeca> Is the "hanger all" option on a station supposed to put all of my planes in a hangar? 11:52:37 <edeca> Or just the ones for that station 12:05:13 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-195-82.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:07:10 *** Sacro_ [n=ben@adsl-83-100-195-82.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:08:41 <ln-> http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/arvaus/PICT5164.JPG 12:11:26 <k-man_> is there a good link on load balancing somewhere? 12:13:15 <Zavior> ottd coop's wiki 12:14:39 <hylje> tgp looks nice 12:24:58 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 12:30:02 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:01 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37ABB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:39:50 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 12:39:50 *** znikoz [i=znikoz@82.207.44.61] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:42:03 <Eddi|zuHause> ln-: that looks like it was in bavaria ;) 12:43:57 <ln-> correct 12:47:30 <k-man_> i just can't get this load balancing to work 12:47:39 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 12:47:42 <k-man_> im trying to balance a load across 2 bridges 12:47:51 <k-man_> but it just refuses to work 12:47:55 <k-man_> its very annoying 12:51:08 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:57:57 *** znikoz [i=znikoz@82.207.44.61] has joined #openttd 13:08:17 *** ammler [n=marcel@77.115.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 13:10:10 <Artanicus> argh.. nasty bugs still around with trains becoming stuck between the real world and a depot.. ): 13:10:31 <Artanicus> ..managed to finally make it stay in the depot and voila, a network synchro error 13:10:59 <Artanicus> after some twenty times of fiddling with remote pause I managed to actually delete the train in question 13:11:16 <Artanicus> now if I attempt to dynamite the depot -> instant synchro error 13:11:40 <Artanicus> and if I linger for more than a few seconds in the area just with the camera -> synchro error.. meh 13:12:36 <Sacro> save the game, and post it on the bugtracker 13:12:45 <Artanicus> will do 13:13:07 <Sacro> it does seem like its reproductible 13:13:15 <Artanicus> yes 13:13:18 <Artanicus> well, vaguely 13:13:21 <Sacro> grr, cannae spell 13:13:22 <glx> you shouldn't move the map for more than 4 days 13:13:44 <Artanicus> glx, that will help somehow? 13:14:02 <glx> while you move the map, the game is "paused" 13:14:12 <Artanicus> ah 13:15:47 *** warpi2 [n=warpi@c-3cebe055.458-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 13:15:51 <edeca> Haha, just seen the "UFO Lands" for the first time :) 13:16:42 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 13:17:49 <edeca> Grrrrr, my train is 23/22 years old and it isn't being auto replaced :( 13:19:42 <glx> Artanicus: I was wrong, there's no problem with map moving :) 13:21:03 <Sacro> glx: heh, didnt think there was 13:21:45 <Artanicus> well, I made a bugtracker entry 13:21:59 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 13:21:59 <Artanicus> ..not much of an entry, but something anyways with a link to the savegame.. d: 13:22:04 <Sacro> best way of doing things 13:24:01 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181088009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:26:24 <glx> indeed the game is "paused" when you play with the main window (resizing/moving) 13:26:29 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81DAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 13:27:17 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81DAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:29:05 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37ABB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 13:30:12 *** Frostregen [i=SADDAM@dslb-084-058-144-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["und weg"] 13:46:39 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181088009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 13:47:33 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 13:50:10 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:52:50 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 13:53:09 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 13:55:44 *** Brianetta [n=brian@149.254.200.216] has joined #openttd 13:57:35 *** Real^Osai [n=Osai@p54B37ABB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:57:43 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-192-89.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 14:00:42 *** UserErr0r is now known as usererror\sleep 14:01:58 *** Brianetta [n=brian@149.254.200.216] has quit ["Tschüß"] 14:02:03 <publunch> miaow 14:06:42 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:08:01 *** znikoz [i=znikoz@82.207.44.61] has quit [] 14:14:21 <edeca> I've extracted a bunch of newgrfs to data/newgrf, do I now have to add them to openttd.cfg? 14:14:32 <edeca> I'm confused as some instructions say newgrf.cfg 14:15:26 <glx> [newgrf] 14:15:26 <glx> newgrf/file1.grf 14:15:26 <glx> newgrf/file2.grf 14:15:26 <glx> ... 14:15:42 <edeca> Ah, thanks. 14:16:00 <edeca> What's the newgrf options in the menu ingame for? 14:16:02 <glx> newgrf.cfg is for ttdpatch 14:16:08 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 14:16:26 <glx> newgrf menu doesn't work 14:16:36 <edeca> Ah :) 14:17:01 <glx> it just lists loaded newgrfs (with a red dot :) ) 14:17:29 <edeca> Eh: "Error: NewGRF file missing: usroadsw.grf" 14:17:33 <edeca> But it's there 14:17:44 <edeca> Ah, folder name :) 14:18:38 <edeca> That's great, now I can have stupidly huge aircraft :) 14:18:47 *** Real^Osai is now known as Osai 14:20:03 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181088009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:20:31 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 14:24:05 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:37:18 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:45:17 *** warpi2 [n=warpi@c-3cebe055.458-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 14:45:40 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181088009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 14:48:25 <luckzeh> edeca: stupidly huge aircraft? 14:49:41 <luckzeh> btw, is there any "expert" on teh day length patch? 14:52:32 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181088009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:55:18 <edeca> luckzeh: The airbus that can take 600 passengers :D 14:55:25 <luckzeh> ah, that you mean. 14:55:28 <Sacro> luckzeh: Sacros day length patch? 14:55:30 <edeca> luckzeh: Also useful for my goods, it's making about £180k per run 14:55:31 <luckzeh> I thought all your planes now were huge. 14:55:40 <edeca> luckzeh: Ah, bad wording on my part, sorry 14:55:46 <luckzeh> Sacro: the day length patch in Mini. if that is yours, then that one. 14:56:19 <luckzeh> edeca: well, half of the time industry things refuse to produce goods, so.. 14:56:55 <luckzeh> basically, I wonder what effect it generally has on economy and the like, and how the economy subpatch thing changes all that. 14:57:29 <luckzeh> for an example, if I make days three times as long, does that mean I get a third of the stuff into my trains than I normally would? 14:57:34 <Sacro> hmm, Wolf01 wrote the economy section 14:57:40 <luckzeh> zomg. 14:57:41 <edeca> luckzeh: What do you mean about half of the time? 14:58:01 <Sacro> no, the way i had it, it just made the day tick over 3 times less than it did before 14:58:05 <luckzeh> edeca: there's that well-known thing where industries say they want something else to produce goods and then don't produce the goods. 14:58:23 <Sacro> thats only in 0.4.8RC1 14:59:00 <luckzeh> Sacro: yesyes, but if a coal mine for an example does 150 units of coal, then making the days three times as long basically means I can only have a third of the trains running there properly than before, no? 14:59:07 <luckzeh> (150 per month, that is) 14:59:43 <Sacro> luckzeh: no, youll get 450 14:59:46 <Sacro> and i have to go out, bbl 14:59:59 <luckzeh> mhm. 15:00:01 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-195-82.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:00:11 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:00:16 <luckzeh> is there any patch to decrease city growth? 15:00:52 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:00:56 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:01:21 <luckzeh> basically building a single bus line and having two or three buses drive there can make a 1000-people city grow to five times its size in very short time. 15:02:49 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 15:06:56 *** Darkvater [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 15:18:12 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 15:20:58 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181088009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 15:29:56 *** Frostregen [i=SADDAM@dslb-084-058-102-085.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:59 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181088009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:35:33 <edeca> Is automatic vehicle replacement broken in last nights MiniIN? 15:36:22 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:36:45 <edeca> Even if I manually send a train to a depot, it's 24 years out of 22 old but it doesn't get replaced 15:44:37 *** kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has joined #openttd 15:44:43 <kbrooks> my server - 15:45:00 <kbrooks> some people left their companies behind 15:45:27 <kbrooks> and contravened rules/"common sense" 15:46:01 <Frostregen> reset_company x 15:46:09 <kbrooks> for example, someone blocked off a coal mine with posts :P 15:46:22 <kbrooks> Frostregen: yes i know im doing that now 15:46:34 <Frostregen> ok ;) 15:47:05 <kbrooks> im fine with people playing. 15:47:21 <kbrooks> bbut im not fine with monopolistic people 15:47:37 <edeca> Frostregen: Has anybody told you about the template patch not saving bridges? 15:47:46 <kbrooks> 1. No monopolisation: 15:47:46 <kbrooks> a) Do not buy land around industries, around or in towns, or around 'your' airports, docks or depots. 15:47:55 <Frostregen> nope...thats new 15:48:07 <kbrooks> ^ RULE 1a) 15:48:15 <edeca> Frostregen: It doesn't seem to save them, or load them, one or the other 15:48:25 <edeca> Frostregen: I tested using miniin 2 nights ago, want me to test now? 15:48:35 <Frostregen> I have to update the patch anyway, so i'll look into it 15:48:43 <edeca> Frostregen: Great, thanks :) 15:48:53 <Frostregen> no, should still be the same 15:49:50 <kbrooks> grrrr! 15:50:37 <kbrooks> a company whose colour is blue has done it! 15:51:07 <edeca> Well all my trains are now getting to be 23 years old, so the game is becoming rather unplayable unless I manually update them :( 15:52:07 <kbrooks> i hate deleting companies. i'd warn if the owner was there 15:52:24 <kbrooks> id ban if the owner was there 15:55:49 <kbrooks> you know what "common sense" i'm talking about? :P 15:56:34 <kbrooks> the "dont blockade access to industries or towns" kind of common sense 15:56:48 <kbrooks> its not YOUR industry. 15:56:54 <kbrooks> its not YOUR town. 15:57:29 <kbrooks> it doesnt matter if YOU built it: it was built for the good of all, so its not YOURS 15:58:00 <kbrooks> right, everyone? :-) 15:59:22 <kbrooks> Frostregen: agree with me? :-) 16:02:50 <Frostregen> mostly 16:03:20 <Frostregen> bbl 16:07:11 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:11:35 <luckzeh> edeca: did you actually set auto-replace to on and the minimum money to zero and all? 16:12:16 <luckzeh> kbrooks: can't we just kick or ban or remove the trolls and go on about our lives, without needing the consent of everybody on a partially unrelated irc channel? 16:12:52 <edeca> luckzeh: To zero? 16:13:25 <luckzeh> edeca: it wont replace anything if you dont have enough money; if you set the min money to replace to zero it always tries to replace 16:13:40 <luckzeh> and then popup-whines if you lack money. 16:14:10 <edeca> luckzeh: Ah, well I have 26 million ;) 16:14:34 <luckzeh> and you did check auto-replace in patches, and you did keep it at the standard -6 months, and..? 16:14:38 <kbrooks> luckzeh: i wasnt sasking for consent :-) 16:14:45 <glx> how are "breakdowns" and "maintenance if breakdowns disabled" 16:14:53 <luckzeh> "[17:59:20] [kbrooks] Frostregen: agree with me? :-)" 16:14:59 <luckzeh> glx: huh? 16:15:04 <edeca> luckzeh: Yes. I've just fiddled all the settings. 6 months, toggled off then on, money to £0. I'm running MiniIN from last night. 16:15:12 <kbrooks> luckzeh: no, that wasnt a consent question 16:15:45 <kbrooks> and i already liquidated the criminals, luckzeh :p 16:16:00 <luckzeh> good work :p 16:16:13 <luckzeh> any other commands than reset_company I have to know? 16:16:26 <kbrooks> NO :p 16:16:36 <luckzeh> hehä 16:16:38 <luckzeh> -ä 16:17:34 <luckzeh> glx: why throw random statements around and then play dead? 16:18:20 <glx> I mean if breakdowns are disabled and "disable servicing when breakdowns set to none" is on, vehicles never go in depot 16:18:40 <glx> so autoreplace won't work 16:18:42 *** kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:18:45 <edeca> Breakdowns are on and servicing it on 16:18:54 <edeca> Servicing works, the vehicles do visit the depots 16:19:47 <luckzeh> ah. 16:20:21 <luckzeh> mhwell, I don't think my game started with the newest mini has anything old enough to be autoreplaced 16:20:32 <edeca> I can wait 22 years ;) 16:21:53 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 16:24:12 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181088009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 16:30:25 *** ammler [n=marcel@77.115.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:37:20 *** Angst [n=Angst@p549446BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["p"] 16:41:06 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:43:08 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-253-161.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 16:46:11 <luckzeh> where does profit from shared roads etc go? 16:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause> roads do not make profit 16:47:49 <Eddi|zuHause> vehicles do 16:47:58 <luckzeh> you have to pay for using others' roads, no? 16:47:59 *** Spoco|ASM06 [i=Spoco@havock.dy.asm.fi] has quit [] 16:48:05 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181088009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:48:10 <Eddi|zuHause> no 16:48:15 <luckzeh> oh, only for tracks? 16:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause> roads are "public domain" 16:48:49 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a patch for shared track usage, but i do not know how it works 16:50:16 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 16:52:08 <CIA-5> truelight * r5770 /branches/TGP/TODO.TGP: [TGP] -Add: added the things that needs to be done for TGP (collected bug-reports) 16:53:04 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 16:54:59 <CIA-5> tron * r5771 /trunk/ (rail_cmd.c table/track_land.h): Unify several code paths and data structures for drawing train depots and waypoints 16:57:48 <CIA-5> tron * r5772 /trunk/road_cmd.c: Road depots always have an player as owner, so remove an useless check 16:59:47 *** TrueLight [n=trueligh@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:59:53 *** TrueLight [n=trueligh@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:00:14 <CIA-5> tron * r5773 /trunk/station_cmd.c: Clarify why the owner is checked before a palette is chosen when drawing a station tile: some stations are not owned by players 17:06:31 <luckzeh> "4 die in fireball after collision" :D 17:06:36 <luckzeh> (computer) 17:06:58 <Born_Acorn> those poor poor people :( 17:09:34 <luckzeh> is it normal that the AI sells vehicles all of a sudden? 17:24:12 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:24:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 17:44:10 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:48:27 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:50:11 *** KiDD420 [n=levi@c-67-172-170-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:50:21 <KiDD420> hello 17:55:08 <Wolf01> edeca, you noticed the problem with autorenew only on the latest miniIN? 17:57:07 <Wolf01> seem imported from trunk with last sync -> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26520 17:57:14 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 17:59:43 <luckzeh> I'm quite sure the miniin before was working fine there 17:59:48 <luckzeh> at least I had millions of vehics autoreplaced 18:03:41 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:04:49 <Wolf01> for a while i tought that has something to do with daylength... but also trunk has this problem 18:06:37 <edeca> Oops, sorry, I'm coding and missed your message 18:07:19 <edeca> Yes, that sounds like it 18:07:43 <Wolf01> are you coding something for OTTD? 18:08:34 <edeca> No, sorry :( 18:10:30 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 18:11:27 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has quit ["stage left, exit"] 18:13:58 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit ["I'm gone, bye bye :)"] 18:23:15 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:30:43 *** aluib [n=user@204.Red-83-34-12.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 18:36:21 *** KiDD420 [n=levi@c-67-172-170-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:38:17 *** Osai is now known as Osai^city 18:39:15 *** KiDD420 [n=levi@c-67-172-170-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:27 <KiDD420> I cant get openttd to run 18:40:03 <KiDD420> i compiled it after installing the required packages and it wont run 18:40:35 <glx> what does it say? 18:45:56 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:46:28 <KiDD420> uhh 18:46:39 <KiDD420> it just doesnt do anything after I run the created executable 18:46:53 <luckzeh> my coal-copters lose me money :D 18:47:12 <Wolf01> just don't use copters for coal :D 18:47:18 <luckzeh> but I want to! 18:47:31 <luckzeh> I guess coal planes would lose me even more 18:47:35 <KiDD420> lol 18:47:59 <Wolf01> no, because planes are much faster and can carry more coal 18:48:06 <luckzeh> mhkay. 18:48:13 <luckzeh> which plane do I use for coal? :p 18:48:38 <Wolf01> a plane that can carry the most 18:48:47 <luckzeh> mh 18:48:50 <luckzeh> maybe I should use a chinook 18:48:53 <luckzeh> for coal 18:49:10 <luckzeh> rather not. 18:49:11 <Wolf01> yes, is an idea ;) 18:49:13 <luckzeh> okay. 18:49:30 <luckzeh> chinook si teh slow. 18:49:34 <luckzeh> I could use a concorde ;) 18:49:49 <luckzeh> but no, a coalcorde costs too much maint to ever make a profit 18:49:52 <Wolf01> no, use a dinger400 (is 400?) 18:50:13 <luckzeh> mh? 18:50:16 <luckzeh> real name? 18:50:26 <luckzeh> mean some form of airbus or boeing? 18:50:28 <Wolf01> the cargo counterpart of the futuristic dinger1000 18:50:32 <luckzeh> uh. 18:51:19 <KiDD420> What is the recommended SDL package to compile ottd with 18:51:52 <luckz> I think 1.2.10 worked for Artanicus while 1.2.11 didnt. 18:52:07 <luckz> dunno if he managed to make 1.2.11 work anyhow 18:52:34 <Artanicus> I solved the problem somehow, it has a busy sound device afterall, but im still getting distortion 18:52:47 <Artanicus> 1.2.11 works now just as good as 1.2.10 18:55:14 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 18:55:33 <KiDD420> can someone please help me? I just want to build some railways 18:56:29 *** znikoz [i=znikoz@20-49-5-195.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:31 <KiDD420> how do I run ottd after I compile it? 19:01:03 *** znikoz [i=znikoz@20-49-5-195.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [] 19:01:04 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:49 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 19:05:48 <edeca> KiDD420: ./openttd? :) 19:05:52 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5774 /branches/TGP/ (23 files in 4 dirs): [TGP] -Sync: with trunk up to revision 5773 19:07:01 <KiDD420> Im a noob 19:07:04 <KiDD420> and thank you 19:07:20 * SpComb runs amok all over the channel/wii chanserv 19:07:51 <SpComb> hmm, split('/')[0] 19:09:01 <KiDD420> it works now 19:09:04 <KiDD420> thank you so much 19:09:33 <SpComb> now would be a great time to start flooding the channel with crap 19:09:56 <KiDD420> Splits are fun 19:10:18 <SpComb> not a split, a shutdown 19:10:27 <SpComb> 22:03:57 -!- ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has quit [Shutting Down] 19:11:10 <edeca> So nobody has any idea why my trains aren't autorenewing? I have about 50 that are too old now, it's impossible to do anything 19:11:58 <DesktopMan> is there a way to replace all trains of a certain version into another? 19:12:01 <edeca> Also it really sucks that the only normal rail vehicles left can only do 48% reliability in 2007 :( 19:12:04 <DesktopMan> e.g. updating all trains to a certain type 19:12:06 <edeca> DesktopMan: Sur 19:12:18 <edeca> DesktopMan: Click the trains icon at the top, go to "replace vehicles" 19:12:25 <DesktopMan> doesn't that just replace old ones? 19:12:48 <edeca> No. 19:12:51 <DesktopMan> ah. 19:12:54 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:13:01 <edeca> It replaces them the next time they enter a depot 19:13:05 <DesktopMan> oh 19:13:12 <DesktopMan> so that's why it didn't happen right away :) 19:13:13 <edeca> The (broken) auto-replace is what replaces old trains. 19:13:41 <DesktopMan> does it replace type by type, or can I replace all trains (boats, planes) that arn't that type already? 19:14:13 <edeca> Type by type, so you'll have to do the same for each one 19:14:25 <DesktopMan> right. 19:14:29 <DesktopMan> all would also be awesome 19:14:58 <edeca> Well I guess you'll only have to do it ~10 times ;) 19:15:05 <DesktopMan> :D 19:15:16 <edeca> Does your auto-replace option actually work? 19:15:32 <edeca> I've stopped playing now because I simply can't update all my trains by hand 19:16:04 <DesktopMan> not sure, I think it did last time I played but that was some versions ago 19:20:15 *** aluib [n=user@204.Red-83-34-12.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:20:18 *** aluib [n=user@204.Red-83-34-12.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:25 <Wolf01> who is the webmaster of the svn.openttd.org? 19:21:09 <DesktopMan> is svn generally stable, or is it bad for porting? 19:26:19 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176126188.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:29:12 <edeca> OK, so my solution was to change all trains into a type I don't use, then change them back again, costing £5 million :) 19:29:15 <edeca> Silly autoreplace 19:29:32 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5775 /branches/TGP/console_cmds.c: [TGP] -Feature: add console command to retrieve the generation seed 19:31:08 <KiDD420> ok, so all my oil tankers like to go out of the way for no reason even tho I have bouy waypoints for them 19:31:51 *** UserErr0r [i=MiniUrba@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:33:54 <edeca> Have you added the buoys to their route? 19:33:56 *** netgert [i=Gert@adsl26224.estpak.ee] has quit [] 19:34:19 <KiDD420> yes 19:34:26 <Wolf01> are you using the yapf for ships? 19:34:35 <KiDD420> inbetween bouys they do like big loops out of the wya 19:34:40 <KiDD420> using what 19:35:47 <KiDD420> nevermind 19:35:51 <KiDD420> I fux it up 19:36:23 *** Rens2Intarweb [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 19:36:38 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:36:46 <KiDD420> i needed to put the waypoints in both directions 19:36:52 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5776 /branches/TGP/console_cmds.c: [TGP] -Fix (r5775): a generation seed is unsigned, not signed... 19:38:11 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 19:38:39 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 19:44:31 *** kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has joined #openttd 19:44:50 <kbrooks> Join my free4all server! Openttd 0.4.7 19:48:19 <kbrooks> read rules first though 19:48:33 *** usererror\sleep [i=MiniUrba@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:48:43 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5777 /branches/TGP/tree_cmd.c: [TGP] -Fix: trees were placed over farm fields in the tropic climate. 19:48:45 <kbrooks> http://kbrooks.ath.cx/FREE4ALLRULES 19:49:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 19:49:40 <kbrooks> kicking me out"? 19:51:45 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:51:52 <ln-> would that be a bad idea? 19:53:25 *** mode/#openttd [+o MiHaMiX] by ChanServ 19:53:45 <kbrooks> why the ops +oing themselves? 19:54:47 <MiHaMiX> kbrooks: just a good advice: next time DON'T publish txt file without the proper suffix ".txt" 19:55:06 <kbrooks> MiHaMiX: why? ;-) 19:55:12 <DesktopMan> hmm can you convert depots to monorail aswell? 19:55:29 <MiHaMiX> kbrooks: because first it looked like a binary stuff, like virus or something 19:55:43 <kbrooks> MiHaMiX: are my rules reasonable? just curious :p 19:55:54 <MiHaMiX> kbrooks: and another good advice: don't use CAPITAL letters :-) Thanks 19:56:22 <kbrooks> hmm i typoed, ill fix. 19:57:05 <MiHaMiX> kbrooks: otherwise looks reasonable for the first glance 19:57:16 <edeca> Is there some sort of bug with monorail trains and full loads? I'm using last nights miniin 19:57:34 <edeca> They have full load set (I've just converted from normal rail to monorail) but they don't load to full 19:59:04 <edeca> Argh, it seems that even though full load is set, the train ignores it because I've changed from normal rails to monorail 19:59:20 <edeca> So I've got to manually set all 50 trains to full load again. 20:01:59 <KiDD420> ouch 20:02:23 <CIA-5> truelight * r5778 /branches/TGP/openttd.c: [TGP] -Fix r5746: besides copying _patches_newgame to _patches with '-g', also copy _opt_newgame to _opt, and load the right landscape (tnx for spotting Rubidium) 20:06:55 <edeca> I've just summarised the three bugs I've found at http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=476787 20:08:58 <DesktopMan> hmm can you do fullscreen over more than one monitor? 20:09:08 <DesktopMan> got 6 lcds neatly lined up here screaming for openttd 20:09:17 <edeca> I guess that's down to how your OS presents them :) 20:09:24 <edeca> If they are seperate monitors, probably not 20:09:38 <edeca> Seperate virtual screens, I mean 20:09:47 <toweri> DesktopMan: TwinView (xinerama-compatible) with two displays wasn't too succesful... 20:10:03 <DesktopMan> hmm 20:10:30 <toweri> However, I had different resolutions on the separate physical monitors, which of course may complicate things a bit. 20:10:40 <toweri> And... 6 LCD's? Wtf? ;) 20:10:44 <DesktopMan> at work :) 20:10:47 <DesktopMan> actually I have 12. 20:10:51 <DesktopMan> so I should move some around to get 3*3 20:10:52 <toweri> ... 20:10:52 <DesktopMan> :) 20:11:51 <edeca> You play flight sim or something? :) 20:12:15 <DesktopMan> havn't tried yet 20:12:21 <DesktopMan> just started here so won't mess too much around :D 20:13:59 <CIA-5> truelight * r5779 /branches/TGP/openttd.c: 20:13:59 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Change: openttd param '-G' no longer sets the random_seed, which was 20:13:59 <CIA-5> broken because it was overwritten a bit later anyway, but now sets 20:13:59 <CIA-5> generation_seed. So starting ./openttd -g -G 0 creates the map with seed 0. 20:13:59 <CIA-5> -Reminder: in reality generation_seed sets the random_seed at the start of map 20:14:00 <CIA-5> generation, therefor the effect is the same.. only not broken ;) 20:15:26 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B60ED6.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:21:47 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:26:32 *** Magus_X [i=t7ds@201.66.153.3] has joined #openttd 20:27:26 <DesktopMan> it works over more minitors 20:27:33 <DesktopMan> but MAX_WIDTH and MAX_HEIGHT is too small 20:27:43 <DesktopMan> stops at 2400*1400 or something 20:29:06 * DesktopMan tries to fix it 20:29:38 <DesktopMan> 4800*3600 :) 20:31:35 <KiDD420> is the dev release better than stable? 20:31:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it has a lot more features 20:32:17 <Eddi|zuHause> but occasionally, you got a lot more bugs as well ;) 20:32:18 <KiDD420> would I have to recompile everytime for new release? 20:32:35 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you can download nightly binaries 20:32:47 <KiDD420> how does that work? 20:33:12 <Eddi|zuHause> you go to www.openttd.org/nightly or something 20:33:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and pick the one for your platform 20:33:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and extract that over your current ottd directory 20:34:04 <KiDD420> is there a way to automate? 20:34:23 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 20:34:36 <Magus_X> get the nightly compuled 20:34:38 <Magus_X> compiled 20:36:58 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:39:01 <CIA-5> truelight * r5780 /branches/TGP/ (7 files): [TGP] -Fix: use GENERATE_NEW_SEED as value for a new seed instead of '0' (which in fact is (uint)-1). Unified the whole system for it. 20:40:36 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3681F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:38 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181088009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:42:29 <KiDD420> ok I made a shortcut to run OTTD and when I click it it runs ottd and open a tab in bar saying opening ttd altho its running 20:42:40 <Magus_X> linux or windows? 20:42:54 <KiDD420> linux 20:43:02 <Magus_X> try list all the processes running 20:43:06 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-230-20.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:43:07 <KiDD420> how 20:43:10 <Magus_X> and kill the openttd if it is running 20:43:17 <Magus_X> well, thats in another department ( LOL ) 20:43:26 <Magus_X> because i use windows :~~ 20:43:35 <KiDD420> well 20:43:39 <KiDD420> its not running 20:43:50 <Magus_X> well 20:43:56 <Magus_X> tried restarting computer? 20:44:14 <KiDD420> it runs right away when I click the shorttcut but it also has another thing saying its trying to open ttd then it times out 20:44:26 <KiDD420> it runs fine from console 20:45:33 <CIA-5> truelight * r5781 /branches/TGP/video/dedicated_v.c: [TGP] -Fix: forgot to do the dedicated server in last commit ;) Oops... 20:45:55 <Magus_X> lol 20:47:28 *** Osai^city [n=Osai@p54B37ABB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:48:10 <KiDD420> KDEInit could not launch 'home/levi/openttd-0.4.7/openttd' 20:48:16 <KiDD420> I get that after I quit ottd 20:48:45 <KiDD420> nevermind 20:49:02 <Magus_X> KiDD420 20:49:06 <Magus_X> try the nightlys... 20:49:25 <KiDD420> I just did 20:49:28 <Magus_X> :/ 20:49:31 <KiDD420> It was my malformmed shortttcut 20:50:00 <KiDD420> how can you tell version from inside game? 20:51:48 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:52:20 <Magus_X> lol 20:52:23 <Magus_X> version? 20:52:30 <KiDD420> uh 20:52:33 <KiDD420> what build it is? 20:52:39 <Magus_X> you mean nightly version or stable version? 20:52:48 <KiDD420> yea 20:52:56 <KiDD420> how can I tell if it worked 20:52:56 <Magus_X> on title of screen 20:53:00 <Magus_X> when u open ttd 20:53:06 <Magus_X> it says the version at menu 20:53:09 <Magus_X> at the top 20:53:37 <KiDD420> so if it say 0.4.7 it isnt nightly 20:54:09 <Magus_X> roger 20:54:23 <Magus_X> ( shit, im playing too much bf2 ) 20:54:24 <KiDD420> damn 20:54:41 <Magus_X> and if it is nightly 20:54:53 <Magus_X> then it will say r5xxx 20:55:59 <KiDD420> cool 20:56:11 <KiDD420> I had it extracted into a folder in otd folder 20:56:15 <KiDD420> now its good 20:56:17 *** aluib [n=user@204.Red-83-34-12.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:57:03 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176099167.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:58:07 <DesktopMan> how do I set win32 rendering? 20:58:20 <DesktopMan> got 4800*2400 to work :) 20:58:39 <KiDD420> how many moniters do you have 20:59:40 <Magus_X> LOL 21:00:39 <DesktopMan> 6 21:00:54 <DesktopMan> www.auby.no/openttd6lcds.jpg <- crappiest phone cam ever 21:04:31 <KiDD420> holy hell 21:04:56 <KiDD420> take them apart to make the frame of them thinner 21:05:07 <DesktopMan> :P 21:05:33 <KiDD420> yay 21:06:09 <DesktopMan> pretty sluggish, I need better rendering :) 21:09:41 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:10:12 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #openttd 21:10:40 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176126188.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:13:04 *** aluib [n=user@204.Red-83-34-12.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:21 <DesktopMan> the whole map actually fits when zoomed out :) 21:13:35 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 21:13:41 <KiDD420> what video cards? 21:14:06 <DesktopMan> a bunch of dual head nvidias 21:14:55 <DesktopMan> I actually have 4 plugs vacant 21:15:00 <DesktopMan> so could do 3*3 :) 21:15:32 *** Wolfy [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:15:56 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 21:17:19 <KiDD420> SLi? 21:17:36 <DesktopMan> no just some regular not very expensive cards 21:17:37 <KiDD420> or like geforce 4 ti4600 21:17:37 <DesktopMan> pci 21:17:43 <KiDD420> thas cool 21:17:54 <DesktopMan> it's a workstation not a gaming monster :) 21:18:02 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81DAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 21:18:04 <KiDD420> it should be 21:18:14 <DesktopMan> I'll tell my boss :P 21:18:17 <KiDD420> lol 21:18:22 <KiDD420> flight sim time 21:19:07 <DesktopMan> I have the 1920*1200 24" at home 21:19:12 <DesktopMan> should have done four of those 21:19:23 *** aluib_ [n=user@204.Red-83-34-12.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 21:19:44 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 21:21:15 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:21:56 *** aluib [n=user@204.Red-83-34-12.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:22:28 *** tokai|alternativ [n=tokai@p54B81DAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:23:39 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit ["It's a new quit message!"] 21:28:03 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:32:15 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:37:48 <Wolf01> 'night 21:37:57 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host72-174.pool8260.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 21:50:46 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 21:59:10 <CIA-5> miham * r5782 /trunk/lang/unfinished/japanese.txt: [Translations] Added initial japanese translation 22:06:36 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 22:07:16 <kbrooks> japanese... 22:10:03 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-253-161.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 22:12:11 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 22:22:37 <Eddi|zuHause> well... since we got an utf8 branch, all kinds of strange languages show up ;) 22:26:00 <Magus_X> yup 22:26:40 <kbrooks> yup :P 22:27:58 <DesktopMan> where's the elvish translation 22:28:19 <kbrooks> QUESTION 22:29:14 <edeca> DesktopMan: Heh, I'm sure gandalf will work on it for you 22:29:25 <kbrooks> I have a question, god damn it 22:29:32 <edeca> kbrooks: So ask? 22:29:42 <kbrooks> kay 22:31:04 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:31:26 <DesktopMan> edeca: he departed over the sea :/ 22:31:45 <edeca> DesktopMan: Heh 22:31:49 <kbrooks> question :p um... 22:32:14 <kbrooks> lets say i have a bank in a town 22:32:46 <kbrooks> and want to create a rail link to another bank in another town 22:33:08 <edeca> You don't link up banks, you link diamond mines to banks 22:33:29 <kbrooks> problem is that the other town has a bank IN it. 22:33:53 <kbrooks> edeca: thats not true. at least not in the temperate 22:33:57 *** KiDD420 [n=levi@c-67-172-170-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:34:11 <edeca> Arr, yes, in temperate true. 22:34:24 <kbrooks> edeca: um 22:34:53 <kbrooks> edeca: forgive me, but i havent even heard of a diamond mine. they exist in openttd?!? 22:35:12 <Brianetta> yes 22:35:14 <edeca> You're kidding, right? :) 22:35:24 <edeca> You link diamond mines to banks, that's how you make big $$ (except oil) 22:35:42 <kbrooks> edeca: that is so not true 22:36:00 <edeca> Well, OK, *I* link diamond mines to banks and make big $$ 22:36:03 <edeca> You can play however you like :) 22:36:27 <kbrooks> how do i setup a diamond mine :p 22:36:34 <edeca> You don't, they're just in the desert 22:36:47 <kbrooks> see... 22:36:49 <edeca> They look like a heap of gold stuff with a winch 22:36:59 <kbrooks> thats why i said "temperate" :) 22:37:03 <edeca> Open the industry map, they are red. 22:37:12 <edeca> I thought that was in temperate, perhaps I'm completely confused. 22:37:44 <Brianetta> Diamonds are in the desert climate. 22:37:52 <edeca> Arrrr 22:38:09 <kbrooks> red in temperate == power plant :-) 22:38:14 <Brianetta> In temperate, banks produce valuables for other banks - works like mail or passengers. 22:38:30 <Brianetta> Banks don't look the same, either 22:38:30 <edeca> Brianetta: Cool, I only ever play desert, I was very confused ;) 22:39:12 <kbrooks> Brianetta: is there a (open)ttd HUGE tips page out on the 'net ? 22:39:41 <Brianetta> yes 22:40:00 <Brianetta> There are Wikis 22:40:04 <Brianetta> and network guides 22:40:09 <Brianetta> what were you after? 22:41:04 <Brianetta> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Tips <-- not huge, but the Wiki it's on is 22:42:04 <kbrooks> im after tips and tricks w/ screenshots :p 22:42:13 <Brianetta> what were you after? 22:42:21 <Brianetta> be more specific than "tips and tricks" 22:42:25 <Brianetta> it's a huge subject 22:42:35 <kbrooks> I dont know how 22:43:00 <Brianetta> I can't help you then 22:43:07 <Brianetta> I don't know what you wantto know about 22:43:14 <Brianetta> and nobody put everything in one place 22:43:24 <Brianetta> because it would be unusable 22:43:36 <kbrooks> Brianetta: game tips and tricks: railroad airport ships 22:43:43 <Brianetta> railroad 22:43:52 <Brianetta> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~dou/ttdx/network.html 22:44:04 <Brianetta> TTDPatch specific, but everything except PBS is good info 22:44:31 <Brianetta> airport: Easy money, don't be surprised if they explode 22:44:37 <edeca> What's wrong with the PBS there Brianetta? 22:44:43 <Brianetta> ships: Slow. Give it a go. 22:44:52 <edeca> Heh, airports rock. £300k for a plane, but they can easily make £150k+ a trip 22:44:53 <Brianetta> edeca: There is no PBS in OpenTTD 22:44:58 <edeca> Brianetta: Oh, of course ;) 22:45:00 <Brianetta> and when there was, it acted very differently 22:45:06 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:45:21 <Brianetta> airports are the single most boring thing in the game. 22:45:29 <edeca> Brianetta: What's the thing in MiniIN with a green and yellow signal now? 22:45:39 <Brianetta> edeca: Don't know, never touched that, 22:45:46 <Brianetta> ask Rich 22:46:00 <UserErr0r> airports are lame 22:46:03 <kbrooks> hy? 22:46:08 <Brianetta> MiniIN is not official OpenTTD 22:46:15 <edeca> Because they're so easy kbrooks ;) 22:46:30 <kbrooks> too easy == bad? 22:46:36 <UserErr0r> my 2 airports and 4 planes made just as much as the railroad i took all game to make >:( 22:46:41 <UserErr0r> but i guess thats typical 22:46:42 <Brianetta> airports. You plonk them down, you build some planes, then you forget about it until one crashes and needs replacing. 22:47:04 <edeca> Brianetta: Meh there are PBS patches for OpenTTD, I didn't think I was crazy (it's in MiniIN) 22:47:06 <Brianetta> I don't build them. 22:47:10 <DesktopMan> trains one end to the other, then goods back again=awesome 22:47:38 <Brianetta> edeca: That one in MiniIN is the onw removed from the trunk. It's also guaranteed not to be re-integrated, since there's a different implementation being written. 22:47:51 <UserErr0r> are the rr tycoon games basically ttd but with just trains? 22:47:55 <edeca> Brianetta: I read something about that in the forums, it'll be good when it comes :) 22:48:05 <DesktopMan> UserErr0r: railroad tycoon 22:48:08 <edeca> Brianetta: Proper signalling if I remember right, with look-ahead signals 22:48:11 <Brianetta> MiniIN is not a testing ground for future features. It's the place where people's patches go when they aren't accepted into the official trunk. 22:48:19 <edeca> Brianetta: You sound bitter :) 22:48:22 <kbrooks> does openttd have "enhanced tunnels"? 22:48:25 <DesktopMan> what's miniIN? 22:48:31 <UserErr0r> thanks i know what rr tycoon is given that i brought it up 22:48:35 <Brianetta> I'm not bitter. I have no reason to be bitter. 22:48:38 <kbrooks> Brianetta: why minin? whats the point? 22:48:42 <Brianetta> It's a simple observation. 22:48:55 <Brianetta> kbrooks: People want it, and Rich is prepared to maintain it. 22:49:23 <kbrooks> Brianetta: thats not an answer to both of my questions :-) 22:49:55 <Eddi|zuHause> "miniIN" is like the biggest misnomer of all times ;) 22:50:34 <Brianetta> kbrooks: Which one wasn't answered? 22:50:42 <Eddi|zuHause> the diff between MiniIN and trunk is easily as big as the source itself ;) 22:50:57 <kbrooks> Brianetta: what is the overall goal of MiniIN 22:51:00 <Brianetta> It used to be a mini IN 22:51:06 <Brianetta> then the real IN vanished 22:51:09 <Brianetta> and miniIN took pver 22:51:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, for like a week ;) 22:51:21 <Brianetta> kbrooks: People want it. The goal is to satisfy those people. 22:51:27 <kbrooks> Brianetta: want what? 22:51:29 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 22:51:37 <Brianetta> kbrooks: A game with all these extra features in. 22:51:42 <Eddi|zuHause> all kinds of experimental patches 22:51:55 <Brianetta> Frankly I don't want to play it. 22:52:21 <kbrooks> b/c its experimental? 22:54:05 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-230-20.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Operation timed out] 22:54:38 <edeca> Brianetta: Well that was obvious :) 22:55:39 <Brianetta> I'd play it if it was what it pretends to be - a testing ground for patches thart might make it some day 22:55:42 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 22:55:59 <edeca> Heh 22:55:59 <Brianetta> but I know that subsidies won't make it, and PBS was actually a trunk reject... 22:56:18 <edeca> Well it's not like they're killing babies, so who cares :) 22:56:28 <Brianetta> so basically it's a fork. A separate open source product. 22:56:44 <edeca> Oh for crying out loud, get off your high horse before you fall off! Who cares, really? :) 22:57:05 <Eddi|zuHause> well... you got to use something until better PBS come along 22:57:37 * Brianetta glares at edeca 22:57:48 <edeca> Eh I just enjoy playing with experimental stuff really, whether it's OpenTTD or miniin or SVN KDE or whatever 22:57:51 <kbrooks> minin is a FORK?!? 22:58:11 <Brianetta> kbrooks: What would you call a source tree that's so divergent? 22:58:28 <kbrooks> A fork? ;-) 22:58:33 <Brianetta> heh (: 22:58:50 <Eddi|zuHause> well. it is compatible enough to be able to be synced with trunk, apparently ;) 22:59:07 <kbrooks> Eddi|zuHause: how come?!? 22:59:15 <edeca> kbrooks: You're such a cool troll :) 23:00:07 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:00:40 <kbrooks> edeca: how am i a "troll"? 23:01:21 <edeca> Dunno, just seems like you're trying to stir it up, it's making me laugh. 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