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00:00:25 <JohnUK89> Yeah, saves a lot of time lol 00:00:54 <JohnUK89> I use mine to get me to and from Sixth Form at the moment 00:01:14 <JohnUK89> Well, I will be come September :P 00:02:16 <Sacro> nice one 00:02:48 <JohnUK89> Yeah, already been doing it for a year...the stupid Leeds Education board pulled the plug on me free bus :-\ 00:03:18 <Sacro> idiots 00:03:24 <JohnUK89> Yep 00:04:07 <JohnUK89> Mind you I'll be getting £30 a week for just being an idle slacker and doing no work at all :P 00:04:08 <Sacro> im hoping to start my degree in september/october 00:04:18 <Sacro> damn you and your EMA 00:04:18 <JohnUK89> Ooh nice one :) 00:04:24 <JohnUK89> Hehehe 00:05:19 <JohnUK89> It'll all go towards a new box I'll be building meself 00:05:25 <Sacro> though im hoping to get my £660 course fees paid, as well as £500 towards a new box 00:05:29 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc74.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:05:42 <Sacro> maybe a MiniIN server will be run on it 00:05:43 <JohnUK89> Yeah 00:05:50 <JohnUK89> Lol 00:06:00 <Sacro> and im gonna try and get £30 for ADSL 00:06:16 <JohnUK89> Good idea 00:06:44 <Sacro> unless job centre be a bunch of arses and wont let me 00:06:55 <JohnUK89> I wanna move actually, but no money coming in, and nowhere to go :-\ 00:07:55 <Sacro> well i work for a student acommodation place in Hull 00:08:07 <Sacro> so im going to rent off them hopefully 00:08:18 <JohnUK89> Good idea that lol 00:08:34 <Sacro> yep 00:09:31 <JohnUK89> But yeah, I need to get outta here, I'm fed up with the isolation (and don't mention the parents_ 00:09:33 <JohnUK89> )* 00:10:48 <Sacro> i hate my mum 00:11:15 <JohnUK89> My mum's the one that's keeping me here...me dad's a complete tw*t 00:12:24 <Sacro> twit :P 00:12:34 <JohnUK89> Yep! hehe 00:12:42 <Sacro> i never see my dad, and i hate living with my mum 00:12:51 <JohnUK89> Damn :S 00:12:52 <Sacro> aside from the sky...and the 2.5 MB ADSL 00:13:31 <JohnUK89> Lol 00:14:06 <JohnUK89> I don't care about Sky...don't watch telly other than Top Gear...and since we can;t get ADSL here there's no reason for me to stay :P 00:15:57 <Sacro> heh, me too, top gear and f1 00:16:10 <JohnUK89> Ooh couldn't forget F1 lol 00:16:15 <JohnUK89> FINALLY 00:16:20 <JohnUK89> He got a win 00:16:24 <JohnUK89> FINALLY! :P 00:16:27 <Sacro> yep 00:16:40 <JohnUK89> Took his time about it tho lol 00:16:48 <Sacro> there where a few of us in #tycoon on quakenet discussing it as it happened 00:16:55 <Sacro> watching...waiting... 00:17:15 <JohnUK89> lol 00:19:01 <JohnUK89> Good race :-D 00:19:43 <Sacro> amazing race 00:20:54 <JohnUK89> brb 00:21:20 <Sacro> okies, i think its nearly bedtime 00:22:27 <JohnUK89> Back, and its nearly bedtime here too...pretty tired lol 00:23:18 <Sacro> im at work in 12 hours :( 00:23:21 <Sacro> well, getting ready to catch the bus 00:23:21 <JohnUK89> Damn :( 00:23:29 <JohnUK89> Least it's bringing money in 00:24:21 <Sacro> yeah, and i see some sexy girls 00:24:31 <JohnUK89> Lol lucky sod 00:24:43 <Sacro> ;) 00:24:49 <Sacro> Hull Uni students mainly 00:24:57 <JohnUK89> Lol 00:25:49 <JohnUK89> I may have to find my way to your workplace ;-) 00:26:41 <Sacro> www.rooms4u.org 00:27:01 <JohnUK89> Ooh lol 00:27:25 <Sacro> please dont attempt SQL injection attacks... i havent the effort to fix them 00:27:40 <JohnUK89> Lol I wouldnt know how to 00:27:46 <Sacro> good 00:28:02 <JohnUK89> I'm law abiding anyway :) 00:28:02 <Sacro> im not sure how resilient the site is to them 00:28:14 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #openttd 00:30:16 <JohnUK89> Right I need sleep lol 00:30:27 <Sacro> night mate 00:30:31 <JohnUK89> Night :) 00:30:38 *** JohnUK89 [n=john@149.254.200.215] has quit ["Seeping"] 00:32:16 *** JohnUK89 [n=JohnUK89@ti100710a081-3906.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 00:32:27 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC4D34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:32:28 *** JohnUK89 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known as Darkvater 08:08:15 <Darkvater> morning 08:08:19 <Darkvater> michi_cc: ping 08:10:32 <ln-> good morning, muad'dib 08:11:48 <Darkvater> hi 08:12:03 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: pong ? 08:12:41 <Darkvater> are you michi_cc ? ;) 08:13:50 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: no, but one of the most common nick-completion mistakes to complete my nick to michi_cc 08:14:15 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: hence there was a question mark behind the pong 08:17:02 <Darkvater> hehe, pong-denied ;p 08:19:00 <Darkvater> oh btw, does anyone speak portugese here? 08:22:26 <MiHaMiX> don't count on me :) 08:24:28 <Darkvater> hehe 08:24:43 <Darkvater> I got an email in portugese from some guy about openttd 08:25:00 <Darkvater> so I reply to him if he can write it in english cause my portugese is... let's say not the best 08:25:18 <Darkvater> so he puts it through an online translator and sends the transcript to me ;p 08:25:22 <Darkvater> making absolutely no sense 08:32:42 <MiHaMiX> :DDDDD 08:33:26 <hylje> :D 08:34:06 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:35:06 <Darkvater> hiya RichK67_wrk 08:35:11 <RichK67_wrk> hi 08:44:46 <ln-> Darkvater: you should have asked him to send it in hungarian or dutch 08:48:01 <Darkvater> lol 08:48:10 <hylje> in AAAAAAAAA!? 08:48:40 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5813 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add x64 target to VS2005 project files (michi_cc) 08:49:44 <Darkvater> how sad is this guy? 08:49:46 <Darkvater> Aug. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Floyd Landis said he may have 08:49:46 <Darkvater> unknowingly ingested something that could have caused two drug 08:49:46 <Darkvater> tests to show high levels of testosterone in his body during 08:49:46 <Darkvater> cycling's Tour de France. 08:50:11 <Darkvater> ``I don't know if it's somehow or some way I ingested 08:50:11 <Darkvater> something that caused the tests to be that way,'' the race 08:50:17 <Darkvater> haha 08:50:25 <publunch> Didn't he have a few beers the night before the samples were taken? 08:51:59 <Darkvater> and beer increases testosterone and makes him cycle his best day ever ;p 08:55:01 <RichK67_wrk> i dont think he is that stupid - "hmm... lets take something to improve my performance and ill make sure im not noticed... " then he goes and destroys the field and wins a stunning stage... doesnt make sense to be that dumb 08:55:22 <RichK67_wrk> he would know he would be tested and fail 08:55:37 <RichK67_wrk> so i dont think he *knowingly* took something 08:56:36 <Darkvater> he looked pretty guilty to me on tv yesterday 08:56:49 <hylje> :o 08:56:59 <hylje> "he looks guilty, shoot him" 08:57:03 <RichK67_wrk> arguing for your innocence is difficult against hard numbers 08:57:15 <Darkvater> I don't really care about cycling, but I remember it was even on the news that he had a fuckin' great day that day beating everyone 08:57:29 <publunch> Well, professional cyclists have to be very careful about what they eat I guess. Like you have to be careful what you feed racehorses with. 08:57:34 <RichK67_wrk> however, its "absolute liability"... if its in you, its your responsibility 08:57:35 *** JohnUK89 [n=JohnUK89@ti100710a081-3906.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 08:58:37 <JohnUK89> Morning :) 08:58:54 <publunch> Morning. 08:59:12 <publunch> 43 years since The Great Train Robbery. 09:00:16 <RichK67_wrk> thing is tho... he was definitely *very* pumped up on that day... but it could be from anger at his previous day, and then pushing himself really hard increased his levels... sort of chicken and egg thing... did he boost his testosterone to get pumped up, or in getting pumped up did he (naturally) boost his testosterone... it needs to be worked out... 09:03:13 <Darkvater> yep, he's in deep trouble 09:03:30 <Darkvater> slightly off-topic E U R U S D Up 1 . 2 8 6 4 + . 0 0 2 6 09:03:34 <Darkvater> yaay *D 09:03:49 * Darkvater can't wait to spend money at amazon.com 09:04:31 *** JohnUK89 [n=JohnUK89@ti100710a081-3906.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:07:01 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3574A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 09:07:39 <peter1138> ... 09:08:38 <Darkvater> morning peter1138 09:08:39 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:12:12 *** Spoco- [i=Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-100.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 09:13:41 <peter1138> hello 09:21:03 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCE85B2.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 09:22:12 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 09:23:30 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:24:45 <Darkvater> peter1138: I would like to say "hogy ityeg a fityeg", but you wouldn't understand ;p 09:25:15 *** publunch [n=publunch@87.113.25.144.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:25:30 <Darkvater> (roughly translated it means: "how's your thingie dangling?" (eg "how's life")) 09:29:14 *** Spoco [i=Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-100.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:29:17 <peter1138> it's hanging well 09:30:22 *** jailbreaker [n=teodory@mail.jetfinanceintl.com] has joined #openttd 09:31:17 <Darkvater> that's nice to hear :) 09:31:42 <peter1138> hungry though 09:31:47 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:31:49 <Darkvater> can imagine 09:31:50 <hylje> merge bridges into trunk already 09:31:56 <peter1138> didn't have breakfast as i ran out of time trying to get my machine to boot 09:32:10 <Darkvater> :( 09:32:28 <peter1138> it booted but didn't start X 09:32:39 <peter1138> then i rebooted and the drive doesn't show up in the bios 09:32:42 <Darkvater> home-machine? 09:32:45 <peter1138> ya 09:32:49 <Darkvater> that sucks 09:33:00 <Darkvater> is it "fixed"? 09:33:05 <peter1138> no, i left it 09:33:07 <Darkvater> eg. did a kick work? 09:33:11 <peter1138> hehe 09:33:32 <peter1138> i'm thinking i need to build a new machine with a raid array 09:33:35 <peter1138> shame they're noisy though 09:33:41 <Darkvater> :) 09:33:51 <Zavior> Why would they be noisy :e 09:34:05 <hylje> but anyway 09:34:08 <peter1138> 1) more drives = more noise 09:34:13 <Darkvater> you know what I've been thinking? Throwing out my old machine and buying some NAS box to use instead of burning dvd's like a madman 09:34:14 <peter1138> 2) more fans to cool it = more noise 09:34:18 <hylje> when do you start merging cool stuff 09:34:22 <hylje> after .4.8? 09:34:37 <peter1138> when it's ready 09:34:42 <Darkvater> when people have time to finish it 09:35:25 <peter1138> hmm, maybe a 3 drive mirror 09:35:34 <peter1138> though that's wasteful 09:35:36 <Darkvater> offtopic: how do you expres in english something that is full of holes? 09:35:45 <Darkvater> eg you got a series of data, but several of them are missing 09:36:03 <hylje> cheese 09:36:33 <Darkvater> calling support: your data sucks, it's all cheese! 09:36:39 * Darkvater doesn't think that'll work 09:37:27 <RichK67_wrk> "with data like this, do you work for Microsoft??" ;) 09:37:47 <peter1138> hmm, why am i looking at SATA RAID enclosures? i don't need hotswap on a home machine ^^ 09:38:52 <SpComb> of course you do! 09:39:08 <Darkvater> I don't think you want to buy non-sata drives anymore these days 09:39:22 * Darkvater shudders even at the thought of those monstrous ATA100 cables 09:39:30 <peter1138> no, but i don't need a hotswap enclosure 09:40:18 <SpComb> linux software raid! 09:40:38 * SpComb bought three 250 GB SATA2 drives for ~247 euros 09:40:49 <Darkvater> total? 09:41:10 <peter1138> raid 5? 09:41:43 <SpComb> total 09:41:47 <MiHaMiX> SpComb: that was expensive, I could've bought that for ~150 euros 09:41:52 <SpComb> I live in finland 09:41:56 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:42:08 <SpComb> and they weren't the cheapest drive, I could have got WDs for less 09:42:11 * SpComb took three Hitachis 09:42:38 <SpComb> in the US they sell them for practicalyl free or something :/ 09:42:39 <MiHaMiX> SpComb: well, official hungarian pricelists are more-or-less the same... the key here is that I can buy directly from the importer :) 09:42:42 <ln-> SpComb: did you buy maxtor? 09:43:09 <Born_Acorn> Maxtor : Cereal of Champions 09:43:11 <Zavior> [12:41:35] : SpComb took three Hitachis 09:43:14 <Zavior> (: 09:43:20 <SpComb> MiHaMiX: I'm not so lucky 09:43:50 <peter1138> maxtor-- 09:44:13 <MiHaMiX> SpComb: i purchased two 200G SATA2 drive recently for ~103 euros 09:44:25 <Darkvater> yeah, maxtor's bad. although their service is good, replaced all my faulty drvies for free 09:44:34 <Darkvater> donnu if I should be too happy about that though 09:44:37 *** mode/#openttd [-o Darkvater] by Darkvater 09:44:51 <peter1138> is DDR2 PC6400 worth it? 09:44:52 <SpComb> MiHaMiX: 250GB SATA2 drives are 77 euros here for the cheapest 09:45:09 <SpComb> I don't know the importer personally or whatever you do 09:45:21 <peter1138> 5-5-5-12 vs 4-4-4-12 for PC5400... 09:46:24 <peter1138> ouch 3-4-3-9 PC6400 = £330 09:46:27 <peter1138> (for 2GB) 09:49:29 <Darkvater> england's pretty expensive 09:49:40 <SpComb> eh? 09:49:43 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387C6EC.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:49:54 <Darkvater> looking at the prices it's about ~300 euros 09:50:43 <Darkvater> although it is 2x1GB 09:51:26 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3574A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:52:27 <MiHaMiX> for (x = mconf->proj_x1; x < mconf->proj_x2; x++) { 09:52:27 <MiHaMiX> 09:52:27 <MiHaMiX> } 09:52:33 <MiHaMiX> sorry 09:57:54 <peter1138> yeah, that was 2 x 1GB 09:58:04 <peter1138> it is the most expensive stuff though 10:00:06 <SpComb> https://www.famiko.fi/products.asp?id=194584 <-- 200 GB SATA2 @ 67,80 EUR 10:00:21 <SpComb> cheapest 200 GB drive finland has to offer (well, out of the major online stores at least) 10:00:33 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 10:05:43 *** fusey [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22"] 10:06:14 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387C6EC.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:25:20 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:26:36 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:29:56 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:31:10 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387C6EC.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:41:38 <Darkvater> < lunch 10:41:56 <Guest56> mahlzeit 10:45:15 * peter1138 eats Darkvater 10:46:51 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387C6EC.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:06:48 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater is not edible 11:07:16 <MiHaMiX> at least, not without roasting or cooking :D 11:11:37 * Maedhros cries 11:12:03 <Maedhros> just when i thought i'd got all the issues with diagonal railways sorted out, i find some strange interaction with foundations and catenaries :( 11:14:10 <peter1138> heh 11:14:13 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3574A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 11:15:02 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp15-40.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 11:17:10 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 11:34:56 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit ["Idem, pridem ..."] 11:35:04 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 11:35:17 * Darkvater doesn't like being eaten 11:37:50 <Zavior> No more brianetta's nightly :< 11:40:05 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #openttd 11:44:05 <roboman> gnight 11:44:22 *** roboman is now known as robobed 11:46:30 <Darkvater> oi 11:46:32 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: and how about being roasted or cooked? 11:46:56 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: :) 11:47:07 <Darkvater> hmm, I'd prefer roasted 11:47:30 <Darkvater> just love the smell of roasted flesh 11:47:41 <MiHaMiX> :D 11:47:46 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-165-9.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:48:34 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp15-40.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:48:35 <Darkvater> although a cooked ulok... 11:48:37 <Darkvater> csulok 11:50:27 <MiHaMiX> :D 11:50:38 <Sacro> afternoon all 11:50:52 <peter1138> heh 11:57:44 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:00:57 <mikl> if bored, cat /dev/random :) 12:01:47 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:03:10 <peter1138> must be very bored 12:04:32 <michi_cc> Darkvater: pong? still current? 12:07:03 <Darkvater> michi_cc: yes ;p 12:07:06 <Darkvater> hang on 12:07:07 <Darkvater> some work 12:07:13 <michi_cc> sorry, was away 12:07:57 *** Mucht|work [n=mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 12:08:34 <Darkvater> pfft, retards at work 12:08:44 <Darkvater> Hmmm, ok. We made a change in the week to fix a bug that allowed users to access the data who shouldn't have been. It looks like this has broken something else. I'll get this looked into straight away 12:09:13 <Darkvater> + it isn't even proper english 12:09:38 <Darkvater> michi_cc: anyways, I forgot which zlib+libpng version the libraries were you sent me 12:11:37 <michi_cc> Darkvater: the current versions, e.g. zlib 1.2.3 and libpng 1.2.12 12:15:05 <peter1138> heh 12:17:38 <Sacro> whoo finally, OTP for online banking 12:18:53 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:21:11 <Darkvater> michi_cc: kk, great 12:21:12 *** robobed [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:21:20 <michi_cc> np 12:21:58 <Darkvater> michi_cc: after I've bullied peter1138 into finishing UTF8, you'll need to make freetype libraries as well ;). I have the headers all set up, so will send them over in due time 12:22:22 <michi_cc> okay, I'll look into that 12:23:08 <michi_cc> freetype 1 or 2? 12:23:24 <peter1138> 2 12:23:44 <Darkvater> 2 12:23:48 <peter1138> not that the utf8 stuff *needs* it 12:24:01 <Darkvater> it doesn't need it? o_O 12:24:21 <peter1138> it can fallback to using sprites 12:24:32 <Sacro> time for work... 12:24:34 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-165-9.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:25:14 <Darkvater> peter1138: ah. That is nice :). But still drawing sprites for every language ;p 12:25:18 <peter1138> which runs into 'someone has to draw them' and 'run out of sprites' 12:26:04 <Darkvater> :) 12:26:30 <Darkvater> there's a guy on the forums who has loaded about 30-40 newgrf's and he's now surprised he's run out of sprites 12:26:34 <Darkvater> hehe 12:26:44 <Darkvater> whatever happened to the increase of sprite-num? 12:26:44 <peter1138> also it uses the (existing) newgrf spec for loading glyphs, so some are bound to hate it ;) 12:27:11 <peter1138> Darkvater: well, you can make spriteid 32 bit... 12:27:13 <peter1138> errr 12:27:13 <peter1138> 64 bit 12:27:14 <peter1138> or 12:27:24 <peter1138> split the sprite and palette parts into separate 32 bit ints 12:27:28 <Darkvater> no, the 16K limit 12:27:38 <peter1138> yes 12:29:04 <Darkvater> how many of those do we use for additional information? 12:29:09 <Darkvater> eg transparent, recolorize, etc/ 12:29:31 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 12:29:57 * Darkvater still really has no idea about the sprite system :( 12:30:01 <Darkvater> only the general outline 12:30:02 *** Gonozal_VIII [i=Gono@N732P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 12:30:22 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC4E24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:49 *** kbrooks_ [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 12:35:20 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp15-206.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 12:42:39 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:45:37 *** Guest56 [i=Gono@N893P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:47:32 <Darkvater> anyone portugese here? 12:49:05 <Darkvater> or familiar with it 12:50:46 <MiHaMiX> once I saw a portuguese guy... is that counts? :P 12:51:02 <Darkvater> that counts is not 12:51:47 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: kuldd el a levelet nekem, ha nem bizalmas, es tovabbitom a portugal forditoknak, hogy forditsak le. Ehhez mit szolsz? 12:51:54 *** JohnUK81 [n=John@host217-32-121-124.webport.bt.net] has joined #openttd 12:52:08 *** JohnUK81 [n=John@host217-32-121-124.webport.bt.net] has left #openttd [] 12:52:14 <MiHaMiX> it was a quick visit :) 12:52:17 <Darkvater> mihamix - openttd - org? 12:52:25 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: yes 12:53:13 <Darkvater> sent 12:53:14 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:53:49 <MiHaMiX> received 12:53:51 <Darkvater> thx MiHaMiX 12:56:31 *** JohnUK81 [n=John@host217-32-121-124.webport.bt.net] has joined #openttd 12:57:06 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp15-206.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:59:08 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp15-206.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 12:59:40 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:01:55 *** JohnUK81 [n=John@host217-32-121-124.webport.bt.net] has left #openttd [] 13:02:23 *** JohnUK81 [n=John@host217-32-121-124.webport.bt.net] has joined #openttd 13:02:32 <Darkvater> wb JohnUK81 13:02:38 <Darkvater> we are honoured byyour visit 13:02:53 <JohnUK81> Cant change me nick lol.../nick isnt workin :-\ 13:02:59 <glx> JohnUK81: using phone? 13:03:05 <JohnUK81> Yeah glx 13:03:17 <Darkvater> poor sod 13:03:29 <JohnUK81> All hail 9.6k! :-\ 13:04:03 <Darkvater> hehe 13:04:19 *** JohnUK81 is now known as JohnUK89_ 13:04:26 <JohnUK89_> Right I can change it to that 13:04:27 <JohnUK89_> Lol 13:04:32 *** JohnUK89_ is now known as JohnUK81 13:04:40 <JohnUK81> But I cant nab me regged nick :-\ 13:05:17 <Darkvater> which one? 13:05:27 *** JohnUK81 is now known as JohnUK89 13:05:30 <JohnUK89> That one :P 13:05:43 <Darkvater> register your nick 13:05:48 <JohnUK89> I have done lol 13:05:52 <Darkvater> then you can "ghost" the old one to kill it 13:06:03 <Born_Acorn> Kill it! 13:06:05 <JohnUK89> I already ghosted it...about 5 seconds back :) 13:06:12 <Darkvater> ah 13:06:12 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: mail forwarded 13:06:30 <hapo> http://linux.ucla.edu/~leiz/pictures/misc/wtf/i_know_chmod.jpg 13:06:36 <JohnUK89> For some reason it was still connected from ages ago 13:07:49 <JohnUK89> Oh well...sorted now :) 13:08:06 <Darkvater> thx MiHaMiX 13:14:25 <Darkvater> hapo: hehe 13:14:29 *** JohnUK89 [n=John@host217-32-121-124.webport.bt.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:14:41 *** JohnUK89 [n=John@host217-32-121-124.webport.bt.net] has joined #openttd 13:14:47 <Darkvater> my skills also include "ls, cd, rm, mkdir and many others" 13:15:34 *** JohnUK89 [n=John@host217-32-121-124.webport.bt.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:15:47 *** JohnUK89 [n=John@host217-32-121-124.webport.bt.net] has joined #openttd 13:15:53 <JohnUK89> Bah 13:15:59 <Darkvater> nice jojo 13:28:55 <Born_Acorn> My hardcore skills inlclude <p></p>, <b></b>, <i></i> and <u></u>. Oh, yes, I know a bit of HTML too. 13:29:42 <peter1138> and new waypoints 13:29:52 <peter1138> fully fluent in ms paint 13:30:00 <Born_Acorn> paint! 13:30:04 <Born_Acorn> codination! 13:30:08 <Born_Acorn> newsounds! 13:30:11 <Born_Acorn> AV8! 13:30:13 <Born_Acorn> etc. 13:30:26 *** JohnUK81 [n=John@host217-32-134-160.webport.bt.net] has joined #openttd 13:30:46 <Darkvater> heh, look who's back 13:30:56 *** JohnUK89 [n=John@host217-32-121-124.webport.bt.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:31:12 *** JohnUK81 is now known as JohnUK89 13:31:20 <peter1138> the boys? they're back in town? 13:31:33 <JohnUK89> Stoopid phone lol 13:34:49 * JohnUK89 wants to move...that way I could get ADSL lol 13:35:06 * Darkvater moves JohnUK89 over by the window 13:35:18 <JohnUK89> Lol 13:35:41 * JohnUK89 thinks about building a cantenna :P 13:36:53 <Darkvater> how does a cantenna help? 13:37:33 <Eddi|zuHause> how would i imagine what a cantenna looks like? :) 13:37:59 <JohnUK89> Darkvater, I live on a plain, if I get the alignment of the thing right I might pick up a WLAN :P 13:38:16 <Darkvater> ;p 13:38:33 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause: probabl a pringles box with a wire :p 13:38:54 <JohnUK89> Darkvater: I heard sardine cans work well...lol 13:39:48 <Darkvater> arne't those too shallow? 13:40:03 <JohnUK89> I would have thought so...I wouldn't trust them 13:40:34 <Born_Acorn> Pringles wo 13:40:34 <Born_Acorn> o 13:40:52 <JohnUK89> Yeah, best bit of making the thing...eating the Pringles :P 13:42:00 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:44:23 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387C6EC.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 13:46:16 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:46:17 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 13:53:24 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:55:47 *** rain```` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 13:56:53 <JohnUK89> Hmm my connection completely sucks... 14:16:20 *** Mucht|work [n=mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 14:16:49 <mikk36> what conn ? 14:17:12 <glx> GPRS 14:17:21 <JohnUK89> 9.6k orr a mobile lol 14:17:25 <JohnUK89> off* 14:17:29 <JohnUK89> the GPRS modem is knackered 14:17:35 <mikk36> olol ? 14:17:49 <mikk36> net over GSM, mwhahahaaa 14:18:14 <mikk36> how's latency now ? 14:18:21 <mikk36> still same .9 sec ? 14:18:30 <JohnUK89> Dunno lol 14:18:37 <JohnUK89> Seems worse 14:18:41 <mikk36> and how's the pricing per minute ? 14:19:12 <JohnUK89> *koff* :P 14:19:20 *** Mucht|work [n=mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 14:19:30 <mikk36> lol 14:20:27 <JohnUK89> (ie, it doesnt cost me owt) 14:24:19 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50c79a2e.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:24:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 14:24:36 <JohnUK89> Ello Bjarni 14:24:45 <Bjarni> hello people 14:25:00 *** Maedhros_ [n=jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 14:26:23 <Brianetta> GSM is cheaper than GPRS 14:26:33 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 14:26:36 <Brianetta> unless you kill off your idle channels and don't browse the web 14:26:36 *** Maedhros_ is now known as Maedhros 14:27:05 <JohnUK89> Brianetta: I tend not to browse much 14:27:16 <hylje> gprs is currently cheaper 14:27:24 <Brianetta> I don't browse at all on GPRS 14:27:25 <hylje> 10euro per month, no matter how much you use it 14:27:29 <Brianetta> Just IM and a bit of IRC 14:27:48 <Brianetta> Mine's GBP0.005 per 1KB 14:27:51 <JohnUK89> I'm in an AOL chat room, MSN and IRC lol 14:27:59 *** sulai [n=Admin@dslb-084-058-253-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:04 <sulai> TGP? ;-D 14:28:59 <mikl> my GPRS is DKK10/MB 14:29:29 <mikl> which roughly translates to /MB 14:29:38 <JohnUK89> My GPRS is GBP0.00 per MB :P 14:29:46 <mikl> so checking your email is rather expensive :( 14:30:02 <JohnUK89> But the GPRS modem in me phone is knacked 14:30:07 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 14:30:09 <mikl> this is hilarious: http://linux.ucla.edu/~leiz/pictures/misc/wtf/i_know_chmod.jpg :) 14:30:14 <mikk36> Brianetta, how is GSM cheaper ? 14:30:39 <mikk36> at least here they charge for time connected (just like dial-up) for GSM-data 14:30:46 <JohnUK89> here's how I make GSM cheaper...downloading pics from an email lol 14:30:47 <mikk36> for GPRSthey count for thebandwidth 14:31:00 <mikk36> damn spacebar :P 14:31:08 <Bjarni> mikl: actually it's 1.7269 USD or 1.3402 EUR 14:31:09 <Brianetta> mikk36: Yes. It works out cheaper for me to browse the web at 5p/minute than to browse the web at 0.5p/KB 14:31:29 <mikl> Bjarni: I stand corrected :) 14:31:41 <mikk36> what about irc'ing ? 14:32:02 <JohnUK89> 9.6k boy will brb 14:32:10 <Brianetta> When I IRC I use GPRS 14:32:15 <JohnUK89> lol 14:32:16 <Brianetta> but I never touch the browser 14:32:22 <mikk36> exactly 14:32:26 <Brianetta> I redial when I need to use the web 14:32:35 <Brianetta> or fetch emails 14:32:44 <Brianetta> or grab a security update 14:32:53 * mikk36 used GPRS for ircing when he was in the hospital without ethernet connection 14:32:57 <Bjarni> why do you guys even need to be online though some wireless device? 14:33:06 <mikk36> ethernet was 2 rooms away from me... blaah 14:33:12 <Brianetta> Bjarni: WiFi prices in cafes are ludicrous 14:33:41 <JohnUK89> Back 14:33:45 <Brianetta> OpenTTD over GPRS leads to bankruptcy 14:33:46 <Bjarni> that's not what I asked about :p 14:34:02 <JohnUK89> And I use GSM because the phone line is being used by me dad downloading on 56k :-\ 14:34:06 <Brianetta> Well, you need your internet wherever you are, right? 14:34:18 <Bjarni> why do you feel that you need to be connected to the internet all the time instead of just at work/home/school? 14:34:20 <JohnUK89> Brianetta, OTTD over GPRS leads to loss of sync :P 14:34:23 <Brianetta> And that includes railway stations, cafes etc, giht? 14:34:29 <Brianetta> JohnUK89: No, it does not 14:34:36 <Bjarni> I only use DSL when using IRC and it works out ok 14:34:40 <Brianetta> GPRS is easily fast enough 14:34:49 <JohnUK89> Did on my pathetic modem lol 14:35:05 <Brianetta> Bjarni: I have cable at home, and HDSL at work 14:35:08 <mikl> Brianetta: not in Denmark :) 14:35:14 <Brianetta> but everywhere else, it's whatever I can grab 14:35:23 *** sulai [n=Admin@dslb-084-058-253-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #openttd [] 14:35:38 <Bjarni> <Brianetta> Bjarni: I have cable at home, and HDSL at work <-- again that's not what I asked for :P 14:35:49 * JohnUK89 has 56k at home...and ADSL at sixth form, but I'm on holiday from the latter 14:35:52 <Brianetta> Bjarni: That was half of my sentence 14:35:56 <Brianetta> you pedantic thing 14:36:06 *** sulai [n=sulai@dslb-084-058-253-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:36:19 <Bjarni> it's just that I don't really see the need for an internet access elsewhere when you got one at home 14:36:21 <mikl> the flames are running high today 14:36:26 <Bjarni> I mean, the internet isn't everything 14:36:36 <mikl> perhaps one should emerge the new OTTD instead of chatting :) 14:36:38 <Brianetta> Bjarni: But what if you'r ein a hotel? On a boat? At a market? 14:37:17 <Bjarni> then I would be offline 14:37:20 <Bjarni> go figure ;p 14:37:22 <Brianetta> Well then 14:37:28 <Brianetta> I wouldn't bew 14:37:40 <Brianetta> I'd be happy and online 14:37:46 <Brianetta> instead of crying and offline 14:37:53 <Bjarni> besides... hotel... that's just not me 14:38:05 <Bjarni> haven't been in one for years 14:38:06 <Brianetta> I have a fiancee with expensive tastes 14:38:16 <Brianetta> "Let's go and stay in a hotel" 14:38:52 <Bjarni> while you can find cheaper places to fuck, right? 14:38:54 <Bjarni> :p 14:38:57 <mikl> lol 14:39:03 <Brianetta> I can indeed 14:39:09 <Brianetta> We own three tents (: 14:39:37 <Brianetta> In fact, I'll admit that when I am backpacking I am off line 14:39:42 <Brianetta> but that's about the only time 14:39:43 <Bjarni> sounds boring to have a tent each 14:40:04 <Brianetta> Bjarni: It's not a tent each, it's just that when we replace a perfectly good tent we don't throw it away 14:40:14 <Brianetta> Spares, if you like 14:40:19 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 14:40:23 <Bjarni> ahh 14:40:28 <Brianetta> Since the newest one weighs about 2kg (an improvement on 5kg) 14:40:41 <Brianetta> if the 2kg one flies away like a kite, we can still camp 14:40:49 <Bjarni> then it sounds like it's not a good one for the winter time 14:40:58 <Brianetta> Actually, it is 14:41:01 <Brianetta> oddly enough 14:41:04 <mikl> Compiling language origveh <-- Where can you study that? 14:41:07 <Brianetta> but its price did reflect that (: 14:41:32 <Brianetta> The oldest tent is a full-on expedition tent with snow valances and so on 14:41:41 <Bjarni> mikl: at the same location as you can study Klingon, l33t and similar languages 14:41:43 <Bjarni> online 14:41:57 <mikl> k3w1 14:42:00 <Bjarni> hmm 14:42:00 <Brianetta> I speak origveh 14:42:16 <mikl> In a way, we all do ;) 14:42:23 <Brianetta> You say Asiastar, I say Eurostar 14:42:32 <peter1138> whyyyyyyyyyyy, whyyyyy 14:42:33 <Bjarni> actually I thin you have to buy a paperback dictionary for Klingon-English to learn proper Klingon 14:42:49 <Brianetta> Bjarni: You can learn on pay-sites 14:42:51 <hylje> i study AAAAAAAAA! 14:42:55 <Darkvater> I want Klingon <> romulan 14:42:55 <Brianetta> peter1138: becaaaause 14:43:19 <Brianetta> country code .nt = Neutral Zone 14:43:24 <Brianetta> I want to register romulan.nt 14:43:31 <Brianetta> ): 14:43:44 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 14:44:07 <Bjarni> http://soultrek.net/faq/klindictionary.htm 14:44:14 <mikl> Brianetta: what about .nu - thats fairly language-neutral too 14:44:24 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 14:44:29 <Brianetta> mikl: It's not the Neutral Zone, so it's not amusing 14:44:45 <Bjarni> lol 14:44:54 <Bjarni> "thank you" ends up as "No Entried Found" 14:45:04 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 14:45:20 <Bjarni> the really friendly Klingons :p 14:45:29 <Bjarni> and polite 14:47:38 <sulai> I love TerraGenesis... these worlds are much more exciting! 14:48:02 *** Kjetil [i=kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has quit ["Bytte OS på routeren"] 14:48:18 <JohnUK89> Hmm downloading OTTD on 9.6k...exciting prospect :-\ 14:48:39 <Brianetta> I look foward to TerraGenesis being included in the, er, bleeding edge unstable version of OpenTTD 14:49:16 <Brianetta> Imagine just how experimental and bleeding edge it must be not even to be in the version that isn't even guaranteed to compile! (: 14:50:20 * JohnUK89 sets off download...now to wait for 30 minutes...lol 14:51:01 <mikl> Brianetta: perhaps the 4th-state-of-the-matter-edge :) 14:51:23 <sulai> lol you seem to like blood ^^ 14:52:10 <Brianetta> I rely on it. 14:52:11 <Bjarni> <-- Kjetil has quit ("Bytte OS på routeren") <-- so he will not return today? Too bad (for him) :p 14:52:26 <Brianetta> I use blood on a daily, nay, minutely basis. 14:52:44 <StarLite> lol JohnUK89 14:52:50 <StarLite> if we chat more you will download slower 14:52:51 <StarLite> :P 14:53:05 * Brianetta pings JohnUK89 a bit 14:53:06 <mikl> yeah, let's flood JohnUK89 ;) 14:53:21 <JohnUK89> Lol I'm downloading at 843 bytes as it is 14:53:31 <StarLite> lo. 14:53:33 <StarLite> lol 14:53:34 <StarLite> * 14:53:42 <StarLite> i can TYPE faster then that ;) ;) 14:54:24 <JohnUK89> So can I, actually, if I put me mind to it 14:55:12 <JohnUK89> Ctrl-V always helps :P 14:55:29 <mikk36> hmm 14:55:36 <mikk36> 9600/8 14:55:43 <mikk36> 1.2KB/s ? 14:55:56 <JohnUK89> should get thet yeah 14:56:05 <JohnUK89> that* 14:56:05 <JohnUK89> But I'm in IRC lol 14:56:12 <JohnUK89> So I'm geting 0.9k-ish 14:56:40 <mikk36> :) 14:57:03 <JohnUK89> Ooh it's speeding up a bit :) 14:57:10 <mikk36> how big is ottd anyway ? 14:57:28 <JohnUK89> The file I'm getting is 1.56MB 14:57:39 <mikk36> that's about 1600KB then 14:57:48 <mikk36> 1600 seconds 14:57:49 <JohnUK89> Yeah 14:57:49 <mikk36> lol 14:57:52 <mikk36> half an hour :D 14:58:09 <mikk36> wow, u're really back in stone-age :D 14:58:18 <JohnUK89> 26 minutes-ish 14:58:25 <JohnUK89> lol 14:59:12 <JohnUK89> Oh, don't forget the overheads on the connection, realistically I'll max out at 1.1k 14:59:36 <StarLite> well, at least the servers speed is not a worry for you :P 14:59:47 <JohnUK89> Yeah :P 15:00:01 <StarLite> the question remains.. WHY :P 15:00:16 <JohnUK89> Me dad's using the 56k :P 15:00:21 <StarLite> lol! 15:00:24 <JohnUK89> Can't get ADSL or Cable 15:00:38 <Darkvater> this is unheard of 15:00:44 <JohnUK89> And the GPRS modem is pathetic on me phone 15:00:45 <Darkvater> someone give this guy a decent connection 15:00:49 <StarLite> ah, you live in a spot where you cannot even see your neighbours :) 15:01:03 <StarLite> out there 15:01:12 <StarLite> in the beautifull countryside... :P 15:01:36 <JohnUK89> Starlite, yep, noone other than the people right next to me for about 4 or 5 miles :-\ 15:01:43 <JohnUK89> I wanna move to a town! 15:01:47 <Darkvater> only sheep ;) 15:01:49 <JohnUK89> OOH! 1.0K!! :P 15:01:54 <Darkvater> interesting prospects 15:02:02 <JohnUK89> Hehe Darkvater, pigs too ;-) 15:02:17 <Darkvater> I wonder what the influence is of a high chat-activity on your download speed? 15:02:22 <mikk36> JohnUK89, do the closest neighbors have decent network ? 15:02:41 <JohnUK89> Mikk, nope 15:02:41 <Darkvater> mikk36: are you suggesting he should put out a cable ;p 15:02:48 <mikk36> Darkvater, propably <30 B/s 15:02:56 <JohnUK89> All dial-up :( 15:03:23 <mikk36> 5 miles with a cable ? not without fibre 15:03:26 <JohnUK89> Well, only me and next but one actually HAVE PCs 15:03:30 <JohnUK89> lol 15:03:55 <JohnUK89> Oh...you were on about the ones 4 or 5 miles away? 15:04:16 <JohnUK89> Erm, yeah lots do, but I can't see them...trees in the way :( 15:04:48 <mikk36> us 15:04:50 <JohnUK89> Darkvater: my cantenna plan is out the window btw lol 15:04:52 <mikk36> use fibre then :) 15:05:03 <mikk36> and make a deal with the neighbor 15:05:07 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:05:10 <StarLite> 5 miles with wifi is doable :) 15:05:18 <Darkvater> JohnUK89: you don't like pringles? 15:05:21 <mikk36> StarLite, not with a forest between 15:05:23 <JohnUK89> mikk, You expect me to be able to afford 5 miles of fibre optic cable? 15:05:44 <SpComb> you can share a 56k connection as well 15:05:48 <StarLite> well, with a complete forest.. nah.. but with a few trees you can :) 15:05:50 <SpComb> just set up a small nat 15:06:07 <JohnUK89> Spcomb: no thanks...I can just bump me dad off for that 15:06:30 <JohnUK89> Mind you...the 56k he has acts like 9.6k itself :-\ 15:07:05 <Darkvater> you should make a deal with the ants to have them carry the data-packets. Once they're set up, you'll get a pretty steady stream 15:07:08 <JohnUK89> And...it's sucky AOL 15:07:13 <JohnUK89> Lol 15:07:21 <JohnUK89> LOL Darkvater! 15:07:23 <Darkvater> butta, my work here is done 15:07:30 <Darkvater> another 8 hours wasted \o/ 15:07:34 <Darkvater> :) 15:07:34 <mikk36> lol 15:07:40 <Darkvater> see ya tonight 15:07:49 <JohnUK89> Hehe 15:07:49 <mikk36> bye :P 15:08:01 <JohnUK89> See ya Darkvater :) 15:09:05 <JohnUK89> This is peaking at 1.04KB/s lol 15:09:08 <SpComb> 56k is somewhat liveable 15:09:13 <JohnUK89> 6 mins-ish to go lol 15:09:17 <SpComb> I spent about 6 years on a 64k isdn 15:09:46 <JohnUK89> SpComb: Not when it acts like 9.6k :P 15:10:00 <JohnUK89> Me dad barely gets 1K on his downloads 15:10:27 <SpComb> I had about 7KB/s 15:10:50 <JohnUK89> SpComb, lucky sod :P 15:11:18 <SpComb> now I live on the end of a symmetric 15mbit here at school :P 15:11:38 <SpComb> shared, but you can get plenty of bandwidth when you need it 15:11:39 <JohnUK89> Damn you! My school has 6.5MB ADSL 15:11:44 *** Zerot_ [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:11:56 <SpComb> well, this is a boarding school 15:11:57 <JohnUK89> But it's enough to do all me downloads on when I'm actually there... 15:12:11 <JohnUK89> Which I'm not until September..lol 15:12:14 <SpComb> a boarding school for computer-oriented people, you need a good net connection :P 15:12:19 <JohnUK89> Aah lol 15:12:27 <JohnUK89> And they don't block port 6667? Lol 15:12:38 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:12:42 <SpComb> eh? Why would they? 15:12:45 <SpComb> we live here 15:12:57 <SpComb> and as a matter of fact, I'm the guy with root access to the firewall :P 15:13:07 <SpComb> there are always three student admins 15:13:08 <JohnUK89> Well my school block everything but 8080...the buggers 15:13:21 <SpComb> well, as I said, this is a boarding school, people live here 15:13:23 <JohnUK89> Lol 15:13:31 <JohnUK89> Yeah 15:13:38 * SpComb has his own server here and whatnot 15:14:00 <JohnUK89> Lol 15:14:50 <hylje> :o 15:14:54 <JohnUK89> Oooh nearly done :) 15:15:27 <JohnUK89> Done! :-D 15:16:24 * JohnUK89 goes and has some fun with TGP 15:16:26 <SpComb> but GPRS is enough for IRC 15:17:24 <JohnUK89> Yeah lol 15:17:31 <JohnUK89> But me GPRS modem is knackered 15:18:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i had ISDN for a long time 15:18:25 <JohnUK89> PWOAR@TGP :-D 15:18:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it was actually just fine 15:18:34 <Eddi|zuHause> just you could not get a flatrate 15:18:43 <SpComb> I had a ISDN flatrate and a ISDN modem 15:18:53 <Eddi|zuHause> ISDN has no modem 15:18:56 <Eddi|zuHause> it's digital ;) 15:18:58 <SpComb> ehm, ISDN router 15:19:00 <SpComb> sorry 15:19:09 <SpComb> ISDN end-device with nat and router 15:19:15 <SpComb> and 4-port hub! 15:19:20 <SpComb> you could even attach telephones to it 15:20:07 <Eddi|zuHause> and since i got DSL (light... 384kbit down, 64kbit up), the internet "feels" slower 15:20:28 <SpComb> ISDN 15:20:30 <JohnUK89> Lol 15:20:36 <SpComb> 's latency was nice and low, from what I recall 15:20:44 <Eddi|zuHause> while it is actually close to a miracle that i actually got DSL, with this distance 15:21:50 <Eddi|zuHause> ISDN is nice, if you never experienced broadband 15:21:59 * JohnUK89 has though 15:22:00 <JohnUK89> lol 15:22:16 <Eddi|zuHause> and as long as you have a flatrate, you don't mind waiting 2 days for a big download either 15:22:40 * JohnUK89 has been on the end of a 10Mb cable line :0\ 15:22:42 <JohnUK89> :-\* 15:23:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, stepping back is always problematic ;) 15:23:31 <JohnUK89> Yep, don't I know it 15:23:42 <JohnUK89> 1.2MB/s to 1.2KB/s is a big step down 15:23:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i had a ISDN flatrate for about 3 months, actually 15:23:57 *** sayno [n=sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has joined #openttd 15:24:45 <Eddi|zuHause> after they abandoned that project, i had to get a 120h/month deal, which cost twice as much 15:24:58 <JohnUK89> Eww 15:25:14 <Eddi|zuHause> 4h per day is not really problematic, but if you have to share... 15:25:46 <JohnUK89> Lol I'd use that within a week 15:25:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i almost always got above that 120h limit 15:26:03 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you have to force yourself to go offline 15:26:21 <Eddi|zuHause> but you cannot force others to go offline 15:26:21 <JohnUK89> Yeah 15:26:27 <SpComb> I had a 18:00-08:00 flatrate for about 6 or 8 euros a month 15:26:29 <Eddi|zuHause> which i solved by not letting the others online ;) 15:26:41 <JohnUK89> Lol 15:26:41 <SpComb> a 24/7 flatrate would have been about 12 euros 15:27:02 <Eddi|zuHause> the 120h cost me about 50 euro 15:27:10 <SpComb> where was this? 15:27:23 <Eddi|zuHause> in the center of germany ;) 15:27:34 <Eddi|zuHause> welcome to telephone monopoly ;) 15:28:32 <SpComb> hmm 15:28:40 <SpComb> this was in munich, a couple years ago 15:29:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, in big cities, you often have alternatives 15:30:02 <SpComb> well, this place I'm at is also in the middle of the countryside... next to a farm, 7km to the nearest medium-sized town 15:30:12 <SpComb> must have been pretty expensive to run a fiber to here 15:30:52 <JohnUK89> SpComb: It's a boarding school...lol 15:31:03 <sayno> haha, SPComb, you talk like youre in the middle of nowhere 15:31:23 <SpComb> well, not quite the middle of nowhere, but somewhat secluded 15:31:33 <sayno> Try living in nebraska, in the United States, you can live in places where its 50 miles to the nearest town of 1,000 people 15:31:34 * JohnUK89 is more in the middle of nowhere that you lot :-\ 15:31:34 <SpComb> this place is on a hill with a farm on one side and a lake on the other 15:31:50 *** luckzi [n=alcy@ipd50af103.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:32:14 <SpComb> as in, we have a 15mbit connection, and don't live anywhere urban 15:32:16 <hylje> :o 15:32:21 <SpComb> not too bad really 15:35:55 *** Maedhros_ [n=jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 15:37:15 * JohnUK89 wants a one way ticket to wherever SpComb is :-D 15:37:57 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 15:38:00 *** Maedhros_ is now known as Maedhros 15:39:27 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit ["My BNC will keep you warm, vist #teamlag, #hexus.cs"] 15:40:02 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:10 * Eddi|zuHause can't imagine there are actually lots of 'urban' areas in finland 15:41:20 <hylje> well, only seven 15:41:28 <SpComb> well, places with more buildings than fields 15:43:11 <ln-> helsinki is the only place in finland that maybe could be called 'city' in english. 15:43:25 <SpComb> well, tampere and turku are probably fairly big 15:43:34 <hylje> tampere isnt a city. gtfo. 15:43:46 <ln-> but not big enough. 15:43:49 <SpComb> how does one define a city? 15:43:58 <SpComb> I'd call it a city in the finnish scale of things :) 15:45:14 <ln-> it was a lecturer in english at my university who said that only helsinki maybe qualifies as a 'city'. 15:45:51 <ln-> she also said "espoo is really nothing". 15:46:28 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:46:41 <hylje> agreed 15:47:07 *** sulai [n=sulai@dslb-084-058-253-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Verlassend"] 15:47:15 *** Mucht|work [n=mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 15:47:37 <JohnUK89> I would say a city is anything with population 300,000+ 15:48:19 <JohnUK89> But there are a lot of English cities that are 200,000-ish 15:51:21 <JohnUK89> But where am I to comment, I live in the middle of nowhere :P 15:51:45 <SpComb> helsinki itself has about 300k, but if you add up helsinki, espoo and vantaa (the three are partically one big city, they've grow together), you get about a million 15:52:30 <ln-> haha, "big city" 15:52:39 <ln-> with population of 500k 15:53:14 <Brianetta> [15:44] <SpComb> how does one define a city? 15:53:26 <Brianetta> In the UK, a city either has a cathedral or a royal charter. 15:53:40 <Brianetta> Population has nothing to do with it. 15:53:54 <JohnUK89> Brinianetta: Finland is not the UK :P 15:53:58 <SpComb> Tampere's population is 204k 15:54:01 <Brianetta> Hence, "In the UK" 15:54:13 <JohnUK89> Brianetta* 15:54:21 <SpComb> Turku has 170k 15:54:23 <JohnUK89> I hate my keyboard at times 15:54:32 <Brianetta> Ditch her for a new one. 15:54:40 <JohnUK89> SpComb, so about 700k for the three put together? 15:54:53 <SpComb> well, they are seperate cities 15:54:59 <ln-> Turku and Tampere are not too near to Helsinki 15:55:03 <JohnUK89> Brianetta, nah, can't be bothered, had this one for 10 years now 15:55:04 <Brianetta> With TTD, you call it a city for sure if it reaches 10k (: 15:55:05 <mikk36> far from each other 15:55:05 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 15:55:06 <SpComb> helsinki = espoo + (the real) helsinki + vantaa 15:55:15 <JohnUK89> I'm too used to it 15:55:32 <Brianetta> like London bein gthe cities of London and Westminster, and surrounding towns? 15:55:36 <SpComb> oulu has 174k 15:56:30 <JohnUK89> Brianetta, but that is truely one city now, it's grown into one mass of over 6.5 million people 15:56:35 <Brianetta> London is a bit bonkers. It covers 5 counties. 15:57:04 <JohnUK89> Yeah lol 15:57:23 <Brianetta> But even still, the City of London is a small area 15:57:31 <Brianetta> and parliament is in Westminster, not London 15:57:41 <JohnUK89> Yep, it is 15:57:47 <Brianetta> London has its own police 15:57:54 <JohnUK89> And yep, it has 15:58:07 <JohnUK89> Wikipedia to the rescue: The population of the city of Helsinki is 562,570 15:58:39 <Brianetta> That's about the same as Newcastle upon Tyne when you exclude the built up area between the city and the coast 15:59:19 <SpComb> helsinki=562,570 espoo=229,443 vantaa=187 365 15:59:39 <JohnUK89> Newcastle doesn't even have 270k lol 15:59:39 <Brianetta> I can't believe those figures are accurate at that precision 15:59:46 <SpComb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toijala <-- 7km from here 15:59:57 <Brianetta> JohnUK89: Include everything to the coast, it's 1.5M 16:00:18 <SpComb> Brianetta: well, the government probably has quite a good idea of who lives there... they know when people move there, or die, or get born, etc 16:00:21 <Brianetta> Depends how you count them 16:00:21 <JohnUK89> Brianetta, they will be figures at last census 16:00:29 <SpComb> just temporary visitors or travellers, but those don't really live there, do they? 16:00:44 <JohnUK89> Brianetta, so Gateshead etc? 16:00:52 <Brianetta> yeah 16:01:02 <Brianetta> Gateshead is just a housing estate south of Newcastle 16:01:10 <ln-> there is not really such thing as 'census' in finland. 16:01:38 <ln-> the number of people can be counted, and is counted, from registers. 16:01:57 <JohnUK89> ln-: I stand corrected 16:02:22 <ln-> few countries have registers that are good enough for that. 16:02:22 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:02:53 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 16:04:38 <JohnUK89> Brianetta, Tyne and Wear has a population of just over 1M (that includes Newcastle, Gateshead and Sunderland, as well as North and South Tyneside) 16:04:57 <Brianetta> It's gone down in the last 10 years, then 16:05:18 <JohnUK89> Yeah 16:07:46 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... in germany, the historic limit for calling something "Stadt" (apart from getting that title from the Kaiser) was a population of 5000 16:08:34 <Eddi|zuHause> in modern times, you call something "Großstadt" (big city), if it surpasses 100k 16:10:04 <Eddi|zuHause> but there are often locations who got the name "Stadt", but have less than 5k inhabitants 16:10:24 <SpComb> the wikipedia calls Tampere a city 16:10:53 <SpComb> "Tampere, with about 200,000 inhabitants in the city itself, and more than 300,000 including the neighbouring municipalities, is the second most important urban centre in Finland after the Helsinki region and the biggest inland city in the Nordic countries." 16:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause> from that, you would probably translate "Stadt" with "Town", and "Großstadt" with "City", but that is probably not 100% accurate 16:11:35 <JohnUK89> The wikipedia calls York (184,900 people) a city, and rightly so, it has a cathedral 16:12:20 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:13:08 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:13:13 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:14:11 <Born_Acorn> hmm. 16:14:20 <Born_Acorn> How does one apply a diff to ones own source? 16:14:27 <Born_Acorn> One simply does not know. 16:14:29 <Born_Acorn> one. 16:17:39 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:20:25 <Born_Acorn> can it even be done in cygwin, is the ability there? I didn't find anything on the Wiki. 16:21:00 <Born_Acorn> oooh 16:21:01 <Born_Acorn> ah. 16:22:34 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 16:23:01 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 16:23:26 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 16:23:26 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:23:47 <Brianetta> One applies a diff with patch 16:24:59 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Client Quit] 16:25:23 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 16:25:25 * JohnUK89 will bbs, feeding :) 16:25:29 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:25:36 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 16:25:54 *** JohnUK89 is now known as JohnUK89_Food 16:26:39 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Client Quit] 16:26:46 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 16:28:01 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:30:30 <Gonozal_VIII> openttd uses which port? 16:30:43 <Born_Acorn> Brianetta, I discovered the powar of TortoiseMerge. 16:33:20 <Eddi|zuHause> something like 3979... but it's probably in the wiki 16:33:33 <Gonozal_VIII> danke ich schau da mal.. 16:35:06 *** fusey [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 16:35:27 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-2849.bb.online.no] has quit ["edgepro: Sanity is a full time job."] 16:37:46 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:39:41 *** Maedhros_ [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 16:40:55 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:41:00 *** Maedhros_ is now known as Maedhros 16:41:25 <Brianetta> Never used Tortoise. Is it Windows only, or is it cross-platform? 16:43:25 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host138-239.pool878.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 16:43:44 <Wolf01> yo 16:43:59 <glx> Brianetta: windows only I think 16:44:12 <glx> totally integrated in explorer 16:44:18 <Brianetta> ah 16:44:18 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-2849.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:44:31 <Brianetta> Well, I suppose that's pretty cool if you're an Explorer user (: 16:44:58 <glx> windows explorer not internet explorer :) 16:45:47 <Brianetta> Same thing 16:45:49 <Eddi|zuHause> is there meanwhile an actual difference? 16:46:15 <Brianetta> I see Tortoise actually uses the regular svn client 16:46:21 <Brianetta> so you could just do it all form the CLI 16:46:24 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: yes the menubar :) 16:46:28 <Brianetta> s/form/from/ 16:48:20 <Brianetta> Interesting that the TortoiseSVN web site fails to mention the license 16:49:05 <Brianetta> It's not even in the FAQ 16:50:31 <Eddi|zuHause> tortoise may be based on the svn client, but afaik it does not include the command line tools 16:50:40 <sayno> hey you guys were talking about cities, would Los Angelos count as one? its 340km from the north end to the south end of the city 16:50:57 <Brianetta> LA is a city 16:51:01 <sayno> hehe 16:51:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not the area that counts, it's the population 16:51:17 <sayno> its just one BIG ghetto, a dirty city, filled with poor people 16:51:18 <Brianetta> Technically, a conurbation 16:51:22 <Brianetta> same as London 16:51:25 <Brianetta> or New York 16:51:33 <sayno> UGH, LA is nothing like new york 16:51:44 <sayno> how could they even fit into the same defintion 16:52:01 <Brianetta> Well, let's see 16:52:04 <Brianetta> They are settlements 16:52:07 <Brianetta> Peopl elive and work there 16:52:10 <Brianetta> They have roas 16:52:11 <Brianetta> roads 16:52:15 <Brianetta> and beaches 16:52:19 <Brianetta> and trees 16:52:21 <Brianetta> and parks 16:52:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and railway ;) 16:52:25 <Brianetta> and office blocks 16:52:32 <Brianetta> "nothing like" 16:52:38 * Brianetta rolls his eyes 16:52:51 <sayno> downtown LA is only a few sq miles, NY is basically high-rises as far as the eyes can see in every direction 16:52:59 <Brianetta> Manhattan, sure 16:53:11 <Brianetta> Cross the water, and it's houses as far as the eye can see 16:53:12 <hylje> ive asked this before but if i have two locos pulling a train, and the other breaks, train stops? 16:53:15 <Brianetta> endless suburbia 16:53:23 <sayno> I hate suburbia 16:53:25 <Eddi|zuHause> that's because in LA, they actually had space to expand sidewards 16:53:29 <sayno> its disgusting 16:53:34 <Brianetta> LA has endless suburbia, too 16:53:38 <Eddi|zuHause> in manhattan, the space is kinda limited ;) 16:53:42 <sayno> I live in downtown Denver :) 16:53:51 <Born_Acorn> Suburbia is like Urbia, but everything looks the same! 16:53:55 <Brianetta> I live in the city centre of Newcastle 16:54:04 <Born_Acorn> I live in the country! 16:54:09 <Brianetta> I'd say downtown but (a) we don't say that in England, and (b) I live on a hilltop 16:54:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i live in the countryside 16:54:16 <Eddi|zuHause> near Halle (Saale) 16:54:18 <Born_Acorn> I live in a house, a very big house in the Country! 16:54:32 <Born_Acorn> do-do-do 16:54:33 <Brianetta> I live in a flat, a very small flat, in the citieeeeeeeee! 16:55:03 <sayno> hehe, Born, outside my old hometown in nebraska, there was a 3,000sq foot home with a 3 car garage, for sale, BRAND NEW, just built, for ,000 16:55:10 <sayno> cause it was in the middle of nowhere 16:55:34 <Born_Acorn> When I was a child, I believed sq = squillion 16:55:39 <sayno> lol 16:55:43 <Born_Acorn> 5,000 squillion ft! 16:55:51 <sayno> I dont know how to convert sq feet to meters 16:55:53 <sayno> im sorry 16:56:05 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit ["Connection not reset by peer."] 16:56:05 <sayno> km to miles is easy, cause my car has them on the speedo too! 16:56:16 <Born_Acorn> Neither do I, but I don't complain. : 16:56:16 *** JohnUK89_Food is now known as JohnUK89 16:56:17 <Born_Acorn> P 16:56:54 <Eddi|zuHause> sayno: 1 ft = 12 inch, 1 inch = 2,54 cm, 1m = 100cm 16:56:59 <Gonozal_VIII> isn't it difficult to find shoes with square feet?^^ 16:57:10 <Eddi|zuHause> if you don't need it that exact, 1m~3ft 16:57:37 <Brianetta> sq feet to metres is roughtly 10x 16:57:39 <JohnUK89> 3 1/3ft = 1m 16:57:48 <Eddi|zuHause> so 1m² ~ 10 sqft is probably accurate enough 16:58:24 <JohnUK89> Yeah, I'd say it's a good estimate that 16:58:29 *** kjetil [i=kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:59 <CIA-5> truelight * r5814 /branches/TGP/genworld_gui.c: [TGP] -Cleanup: small cleanup, don't duplicate code if it isn't needed. Also, rather pass a 'mode' then a window from which we derive that same mode. 16:59:22 <Brianetta> I think we should use round metres, not square ones, for area. 16:59:39 <Brianetta> One round metre is pi/2 square ones. 16:59:45 <Brianetta> er, no it isn't 16:59:50 <Brianetta> it's 2/pi ones 16:59:59 <Brianetta> yeah that's probably right 17:00:08 <sayno> US should switch to metric measurements 17:00:15 <Brianetta> Damned right 17:00:19 <sayno> arent we the only country in the WORLD who doesnt use them? 17:00:23 <Brianetta> nope 17:00:32 <sayno> and besides, then I could say my car does 270, instead of just 165 :( 17:00:36 <Brianetta> Our street signs are in miles, our speed limit laws in mph 17:00:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: the 2 is probably wrong there 17:00:43 <Brianetta> and we server pints of beer 17:00:56 <JohnUK89> Here we are...google calculator says 1 (square meter) = 10.7639104 square feet :) 17:01:06 <Brianetta> We want round metres 17:01:11 <JohnUK89> Lol 17:01:13 <sayno> round meters is wierd 17:01:14 <sayno> lol 17:01:15 <Brianetta> JohnUK89: It's metre 17:01:20 <Brianetta> unless you mean a gas meter 17:01:27 <JohnUK89> Brianetta, Copy-Paste...lol 17:01:33 <JohnUK89> didnt bother correcting 17:01:47 <Gonozal_VIII> meter is german 17:01:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought you always use "foot" when taken as unit 17:02:06 <Eddi|zuHause> not "feet" 17:02:10 <sayno> bah, you euro's and your different spelling 17:02:13 <sayno> is it colour? 17:02:14 <sayno> lol 17:02:26 <Brianetta> In English (by which, of bloody course, I mean English English) metre is a unit of length, and meter is a device for measuring something 17:02:39 <Brianetta> Eddi|zuHause: It's feet in plural 17:02:51 <Brianetta> colour, yes 17:03:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, if you actually mean feet, as in the body part 17:03:01 <Brianetta> Blame one Mr. Mirriam Webster 17:03:06 <Eddi|zuHause> but not as measuring unit 17:03:17 <Brianetta> He reformed US spelling for two reasons. The second reason was simplification and standardization. 17:03:19 <sayno> if you have one its foot, wether its a body part or a distance 17:03:24 <sayno> otherwise its feet 17:03:35 <Brianetta> The first was to make US English distinct from Imperial English. 17:03:38 <sayno> lol, like american english is any better 17:03:43 <sayno> its just as crappy 17:04:26 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 17:06:58 <Born_Acorn> The distinction between metres and meters has gone! 17:07:22 <sayno> so is it true that on the autobahn there is still no limit in select places? 17:08:18 <Eddi|zuHause> well, there is no general limit 17:08:39 <Eddi|zuHause> but often you have specific limits, depending on the route you are on 17:09:12 <Eddi|zuHause> especially in urban areas, you often see 100km/h limits 17:09:36 <Brianetta> in case a kid chases a ball into the autobahn... 17:09:43 <Eddi|zuHause> 120 or 130 limits are also quite common 17:09:43 <JohnUK89> Lol 17:10:00 <Eddi|zuHause> no, mainly for noise protection 17:10:00 <Gonozal_VIII> here in austria its 130 17:10:06 <JohnUK89> What good is a 60-75mph limit gonna do to a kid running across an autobahn :P 17:10:24 <Brianetta> JohnUK89: All the pieces can be found for burial. Easier on the parents that way. 17:10:34 <JohnUK89> Brianetta, very true 17:10:36 <Gonozal_VIII> there are no kids running 17:10:43 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.252.134] has joined #openttd 17:10:44 <Eddi|zuHause> also, on heavy traffic areas, you often have limits (then usually dynamic) 17:10:55 <Brianetta> and fog, bad weather 17:10:57 <Eddi|zuHause> because at speed of 90, it has the highest throughput 17:11:26 <Brianetta> You'd all better hope I don't decide to take up learning to drive again 17:11:30 <sayno> so you can go 260 legally? 17:11:35 <Eddi|zuHause> of course, you usually have an average speed of 10km/h on those routes ;) 17:11:39 <Brianetta> I have no intention of even reaching the speed limit (: 17:11:52 <Sacro> what are we discussing? 17:11:59 <Brianetta> I'll pootle along in a 30mph zone at 20-25 17:12:06 <Sacro> heh, i do 40-50 17:12:10 <Brianetta> 60 on a motorway if it's sunny 17:12:14 <Brianetta> 50 if it's raining 17:12:30 <Brianetta> Sacro: You are likely to kill anybody you hit, at that speed 17:12:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but a) most cars are locked at 240 from the factory, b) the "recommended" speed is 130, so in case of accidents, you usually don't get insurance to pay you 17:12:53 <Sacro> Brianetta: yes, thats true 17:13:07 <JohnUK89> Sacro, you nutter :P 17:13:10 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: 255 lock :) 17:13:13 <Sacro> JohnUK89: yes 17:13:27 <sayno> no car worth buying is locked from the factory 17:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause> all cars are... 17:13:43 <JohnUK89> Mind you, one of my mates got caught doing 138 in a 60... 17:13:48 <Eddi|zuHause> but that can be circumvented 17:13:48 <Brianetta> Come on, who needs to drive at 240k? 17:13:55 <Sacro> you dont want to go at 88mph though 17:14:00 <Sacro> that speed always worries me 17:14:05 <sayno> really? I havent ever had a car here in america that was locked 17:14:20 <sayno> I had a honda prelude up to 135mph, and my srt4 up to 162 17:14:22 <JohnUK89> Sayno, the rules in the US are different to Germany 17:14:25 <sayno> both bone stock 17:14:25 <Brianetta> sayno: That's America 17:14:39 <sayno> ugh, that sucks, i feel sorry for you guys 17:14:57 <Brianetta> They're not limited in the UK, althoguh buses are 17:15:08 <sayno> its not too uncommon on the city interstates here to see a pair of cars flying by you, racing, at over 140 17:15:12 <sayno> mph that is 17:15:23 <JohnUK89> Brianetta: BMW's and Mercedes' are limited to 155mph 17:15:24 <Brianetta> A luxury coach bought int he UK cannot be driven faster than 60 or 70mph, depending when it was bought 17:15:44 <sayno> even teh M series? 17:15:48 <Sacro> Brianetta: 56 17:15:49 <sayno> bmws 17:15:52 <JohnUK89> Yep, all new ones 17:16:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that's the same in germany 17:16:05 <sayno> wow, how do they even sell an M series bmw then 17:16:10 <Brianetta> Sacro: 56 officially, but there's a 10% margin there 17:16:17 <Brianetta> and it used to be higher 17:16:29 <JohnUK89> Sayno, because it gets to 155mph quicker than the rest of them :p 17:16:32 <sayno> they say, "Yes this car can reach nearly 300kmh, but you can never go that fast, want it!?" 17:16:35 <Eddi|zuHause> afaik it was 120km/h, and now is 100 17:16:50 <Brianetta> I wouldn't drive so fast anyway 17:16:59 <sayno> is it rare to see dodge's in europe? 17:17:06 <Brianetta> sayno: Very 17:17:11 <JohnUK89> sayno, yes 17:17:12 <Sacro> sayno: yes, 17:17:22 <Sacro> well, you get the fugly ones occasionally 17:17:24 <Brianetta> Petrol is not cheap in Europe 17:17:38 <JohnUK89> Brianetta: not least in the UK 17:17:40 <Brianetta> so we have little cars (: 17:17:43 <sayno> cool, i can tell you guys I have a rare car! lol, but I suppose we never see euro econo cars either 17:17:44 <Eddi|zuHause> it's kinda dangerous if you go 200, and someone going 130 changes lanes right in front of you, because he underestimated your speed 17:17:57 <sayno> my dodge gets 25mpg, and its turbo'ed 17:18:03 <sayno> sry I dont know liters/km 17:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a 70km/h difference 17:18:05 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: yes...shame less drivers are affected by darwin 17:18:25 <Brianetta> sayno: Which is one of the reasons why the USA, with 5% of the world's population, causes nearly half the world's pollution. 17:18:52 <sayno> hey! 25mpg is pretty good! tiny hondas with lil 4 bangers get like 32ish 17:19:04 <JohnUK89> sayno, US gallons are smaller than imperial ones, you would push 20.8mpg in the UK 17:19:07 <sayno> the toyota prius only gets 40 17:19:17 <Eddi|zuHause> last time i came by a petrol station, it was like 1,40 EUR/l 17:19:33 <sayno> right now im paying .30 per gallon 17:19:43 <sayno> isnt a gallon about 3.5 litres? 17:19:53 <Brianetta> Your gallons or ours? 17:20:01 <sayno> ours 17:20:04 <sayno> mine rather 17:20:05 <Brianetta> NFI 17:20:08 <JohnUK89> 1 US gallon is 3.79 litres 17:20:16 <Eddi|zuHause> 1 US gallon = 3.7854118 liters 17:20:20 <Eddi|zuHause> says google 17:20:21 <sayno> why is gas so expensive in the uk? 17:20:24 <Eddi|zuHause> on entering "gallon" 17:20:31 <JohnUK89> 1 Imperial gallon = 4.54609188 litres 17:20:31 <Eddi|zuHause> taxes 17:20:31 <Brianetta> Eddi: Because they were that precise when they invented the measure... 17:20:45 <sayno> well, its expensive here, 3 years ago gas in the US was only a gallon 17:20:52 <sayno> so imperial gallons are quite a bit bigger 17:20:58 <sayno> I could get nearly 30mpg in the UK 17:21:18 <Brianetta> sayno: You wouldn't be any more efficient, though (: 17:21:25 <sayno> of course :p 17:21:42 <sayno> small turbo's are technically efficency adders though aren't they? 17:21:57 <sayno> if I took mine off I would probably get 2-3 mpg less in the city 17:21:59 <Brianetta> As long as they're running 17:22:00 <Tron> 3.3 (U.S. dollars per US gallon) = 0.677311607 Euro per liter <-- that's less than half what it costs here in germany 17:22:01 <Eddi|zuHause> of the 1,40 EUR, it's probably half of that taxes, in germany 17:22:25 <Brianetta> UK has high fuel taxes 17:22:32 <glx> France to 17:22:36 <sayno> I wouldnt be able to afford to drive in europe! 17:22:37 <sayno> lol 17:22:41 <JohnUK89> Petrol is about 96p a litre over here. 17:22:46 <Brianetta> sayno: Probably not. I cna't. 17:23:03 <Tron> Eddi|zuHause: with ökosteuer and märchensteuer (taxes on taxes, wtf?!) it's way more than half 17:23:06 <Eddi|zuHause> sayno: you have to consider, for that double fuel price, you get cars that consume half the fuel 17:23:10 <Eddi|zuHause> so you are probably even 17:23:18 <sayno> idk, about half 17:23:25 <JohnUK89> Eddi, not when the world burns up :) 17:23:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Tron: yeah ;) 17:23:31 <sayno> 25mpg is pretty good, the honda insight, in america only gets about 50mpg 17:23:57 <sayno> im not sure what you call it, but its the TINY TINY honda, with electric assist 17:23:58 <Eddi|zuHause> what is an mpg exactly? 17:24:04 <Brianetta> nile per gallon 17:24:04 <sayno> Mile per gallon 17:24:07 <Brianetta> yeah 17:24:09 <JohnUK89> Eddi, miles per gallon 17:24:16 <Brianetta> not large north African rivers 17:24:17 <JohnUK89> damn im lagging 17:24:18 <glx> we count l/km here 17:24:32 <ln-> more like litres / 100 km 17:24:34 <sayno> i know but thats too much work 17:24:41 <glx> ln-: right :) 17:24:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, liter/100km 17:24:53 <JohnUK89> 1 mile per gallon = 2.35214584 litreilometre 17:25:01 <JohnUK89> litre/kilometre* 17:25:29 <sayno> ok 17:25:39 <glx> JohnUK89: are you sure? 17:25:49 <ln-> i've been on a ground vehicle that consumes 250 to 500 litres / 100 km. 17:25:51 <JohnUK89> according to google 17:25:53 <Tron> <sayno> 25mpg is pretty good <--- that's about 9.4 l/100km! my 12 year old golf just needs 7-8l/100km! 17:26:08 <Tron> (remeber: for l/100km less is better) 17:26:24 <Eddi|zuHause> 1 mile per gallon = 0.425143706 kilometers per liter <- says google 17:26:28 <sayno> Tron , remember, thats also in a turbo charged 4 door car, that does 0-100km in 5.3 seconds 17:26:39 <JohnUK89> aha 17:26:43 <JohnUK89> i realised what i did 17:26:55 <JohnUK89> i put the litre and kilometre in the wrong order 17:27:18 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181071148.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:27:20 <ln-> (0.94 to 0.47 mpg) 17:27:39 <Tron> sayno: my golf "only" has 66kW, that's still way more than i need 17:27:51 <sayno> ugh now I have to do kw to hp 17:27:59 <Tron> *1.34 17:28:04 <Brianetta> It'll do you good 17:28:09 <Brianetta> hp is ludicrous 17:28:19 <Eddi|zuHause> an average small car in germany uses like 5-6l/100km 17:28:27 <sayno> ah here we go 17:28:31 <Brianetta> beyond about eight horses it's nonsensical. Where would you harnes them? 17:28:37 <sayno> 187kw, and thats not nearly enough for me 17:28:56 <JohnUK89> you have a 250hp car, and its not enough? 17:28:59 <sayno> Brianetta, its not actual 'horse' power, its a function of ft/lbs of tourqe x rpm 17:29:00 <Eddi|zuHause> 6 l/100km = 39.2024307 miles per gallon 17:29:02 <Sacro> Brianetta: a fishing net 17:29:03 <sayno> definately not 17:29:17 <Brianetta> How is that much power not enough? 17:29:26 <Brianetta> Does your car have a lead chassis? 17:29:27 <JohnUK89> sayno, I would say 75hp is enough nowadays 17:29:39 <Sacro> ye gads, thats slooooooow 17:29:41 <Brianetta> Lead based paint, I'll bet (: 17:29:43 <Sacro> oh, got to go 17:29:50 <sayno> JohnUK89 im looking at getting an Evolution 9, with 211kw, and ill have to mod that to make it worth half a crap :P 17:29:55 <Brianetta> Bull horns on the bonnet 17:30:07 <sayno> my car weights 2880 pounds 17:30:07 *** luckzeh [n=alcy@ipd50af103.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:30:19 <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably all armoured cars in america... 17:30:29 <JohnUK89> Eddi, lol wouldnt surprise me 17:30:36 <Tron> 1020kg 17:30:41 <Brianetta> A tonne 17:30:42 <sayno> yes 17:30:52 <JohnUK89> exactly a tonne? 17:31:01 <Brianetta> Just a smidge over 17:31:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a pretty heavy car... 17:31:05 <sayno> 1000kg isnt a lot for a car is it? 17:31:15 <sayno> its actually considered a light car here. . . 17:31:18 <JohnUK89> sayno, for an american car its light 17:31:20 <Brianetta> A metric tonne is a megagramme 17:31:33 <Sacro> evo 9s are horrible 17:31:59 <sayno> i LOVE the way they look Sacro 17:32:04 <Brianetta> In Japan you need a small car. If it's bigger than a standard parking space (and these aren't big) you get a heavy, heavy parking tax. 17:32:11 <Sacro> sayno: i suppose someone has to 17:32:15 <JohnUK89> I hate Mitsubishis 17:32:17 <Brianetta> unless you have somewhere off the road to keep it, which nobody in Japan has. (: 17:32:17 <sayno> lol 17:32:30 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 17:32:36 <Sacro> JohnUK89: GTO twin turbo (3000 GT) is verrrrrrry nice 17:32:43 <Sacro> as are evo 4,5,6,7 17:32:47 <sayno> 3000gt vr4? 17:32:48 <Sacro> and fto 17:32:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i would not attempt do drive in japan ;) 17:32:53 <Sacro> sayno: yesm 17:32:56 <JohnUK89> Sacro, not for me, prefer Nissans :) 17:33:03 <JohnUK89> Well 17:33:07 <JohnUK89> Only the Skylines :P 17:33:12 <sayno> I have a video of me SPANKING THE CRAP out of a galant vr-4, i was about 4 car lengths ahead at 100km 17:33:14 <Eddi|zuHause> or in any huge urban area, for that matter... 17:33:26 <sayno> i know the 3000's are faster, probably would run even with me 17:33:35 <Brianetta> sayno: The Chrysler PT Cruiser is on sale in the UK, and is regarded as huge. 17:33:46 <sayno> oh god thats an ugly car 17:33:50 <sayno> but thats insane 17:33:50 <Brianetta> One of very few US vehicles 17:34:01 <sayno> havent you people ever seen a lincoln navigator? 17:34:06 <sayno> or a cadillac escalade 17:34:07 <sayno> lol 17:34:26 <Brianetta> We'd probably park on the bonnet 17:34:26 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.252.134] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:34:32 <Brianetta> er, hood 17:34:35 <Eddi|zuHause> err... for none of these cars you'd find a parking space in the average european cities 17:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause> you probably don't get around half the corners either 17:34:51 <sayno> oooh, I had the pleasure of racing a Bentley Continental Coupe GT recently, do you see many of those in europe? 17:35:12 <JohnUK89> sayno, OUCH! 17:35:16 <JohnUK89> Nasty car 17:35:19 <sayno> (and yes, he beat me, quite badly) 17:35:29 <sayno> I was doing 155mph, and he was pulling away pretty quickly 17:35:30 <Brianetta> Our cities are hundreds of years old, with street patterns that have sometimes not changed since castles were in vogue. In fact, sometimes city streets still go around those castles. 17:35:31 <Eddi|zuHause> honestly... i never saw a lincoln, bentley or cadillac on a street... 17:35:32 *** StarLaptop [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:35:39 <JohnUK89> fast, but ugly as sin 17:35:48 <sayno> really? I liked the way it looked 17:36:00 <sayno> besides looks shouldnt matter in a turbo v-12 17:36:01 <Brianetta> I saw a Bentley 17:36:01 <sayno> lol 17:36:03 <JohnUK89> sayno, you're american :P 17:36:09 <Brianetta> since Bentleys are made here 17:36:20 <Tron> <Brianetta> sayno: The Chrysler PT Cruiser is on sale in the UK, and is regarded as huge. <--- this car is plain ugly, it's so pseudo-retro 17:36:26 <JohnUK89> Looks only make no difference with a Bugatti Veyron 17:36:32 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, roads that are fit for the average 1050 horse wagon are not nice to go through with a big car :) 17:36:35 <Brianetta> Tron: I made no comment as to how pretty it is. 17:36:47 <Born_Acorn> I will recieve an automobile upon the 18th! 17:36:48 <Brianetta> I quite like the hearse look. 17:36:49 <sayno> is my car ugly? 17:36:50 <sayno> http://www.hahnracecraft.com/ProjectVehicles/srt-4%20burnout%20st%20louis%20nopi.jpg 17:36:53 <sayno> take a look ^^ 17:37:07 * Brianetta clickies 17:37:08 <guru3> it's got an xbox logo 17:37:11 <guru3> => ugly 17:37:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i heard that some of the major routes in england actually date back to the romans 17:37:26 * JohnUK89 clicks and wait for an hour for it to download 17:37:33 * Brianetta waits 17:37:41 <Brianetta> Eddi: They doo. 17:37:43 <sayno> i dont have those stickers on minie, thats someone elses 17:37:50 <Tron> Eddi|zuHause: not only in england... B3 here germany 17:37:51 <Brianetta> Thankfully, the Romans made military roads very straight. 17:37:52 <sayno> but thats what my car looks like 17:37:54 <guru3> then 'meh' 17:38:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i would not know where the B3 is ;) 17:38:13 <Brianetta> That car looks cross-eyed 17:38:14 <Eddi|zuHause> probably far west ;) 17:38:15 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176099039.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:38:18 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:38:28 <Tron> Eddi|zuHause: mostly parallel to the A5 17:38:32 <sayno> you guys are cruel 17:38:33 <sayno> lol 17:38:48 <Brianetta> Who thought to put the indicators there in the headlights? 17:38:53 <Brianetta> They *made* it cross-eyed! 17:38:58 <JohnUK89> sayno, ugly car that 17:39:07 <Eddi|zuHause> the roads around here are usually like 300 or 400 years old 17:39:12 <Brianetta> Look at any modern Japanese car 17:39:20 <Brianetta> They now make them with "cheerful faces" 17:39:35 <Eddi|zuHause> except for the autobahn, which is scheduled to be finished in 2007 ;) 17:39:40 <Tron> omg, even wikipedia has a page about the B3 o_O 17:39:42 <sayno> Whats ugly about it 17:40:00 *** Born-Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCE85B2.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 17:40:10 <JohnUK89> sayno, well it looks like a bloated dog :P 17:40:26 <sayno> ugh. . . .you euro's have NO TASTE 17:40:31 <sayno> half of you dont have cars :P 17:40:39 <Brianetta> We have taste. Look at Porsche, Ferrari 17:40:53 <sayno> ewww 17:41:01 <sayno> look at ford gt or the dodge viper 17:41:07 <JohnUK89> Aerial Atom... 17:41:08 * Brianetta coughs 17:41:11 <JohnUK89> PHWOAR 17:41:19 <Brianetta> Smart 17:41:23 <Brianetta> Now that's a car 17:41:43 <JohnUK89> smart...not bad 17:41:53 <Brianetta> In fact, it's the car I'd buy if I went for a driving test again 17:42:11 <Brianetta> I'd bomb down the motorway at nearly 60mph 17:42:26 <JohnUK89> I'd probably get a Japanese city car imported :P 17:42:36 <JohnUK89> Love them things...so cute ^_^ 17:42:43 <Brianetta> You'd spend more on the shipping than you'd save in the first five years 17:42:55 <JohnUK89> Probably lol 17:42:57 <Brianetta> I'd better go home 17:43:03 <Brianetta> They're locking the office 17:43:09 <JohnUK89> Brianetta: cya :) 17:43:09 <Brianetta> later dudes 17:43:11 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 17:43:16 <JohnUK89> Lol 17:43:54 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesstraße_6 <- very intresting map of germany they have there... 17:46:10 <sayno> http://www.dragtimes.com/images/8364-2005-Dodge-Neon%20SRT-4.jpg 17:46:14 <sayno> still ugly ^^? 17:47:13 <Tron> Eddi|zuHause: am i missing something? 17:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that's the area of germany prior to 1914.. 17:48:05 <JohnUK89> Yes, still ugly 17:48:32 <Tron> ? 17:48:57 <sayno> damnit 17:48:59 <JohnUK89> Tron: my last comment was towards sayno 17:50:16 <Tron> ? 17:50:21 <sayno> i just dont get why thats ugly 17:50:40 <JohnUK89> sayno, because it looks like a bloated dog :P 17:50:59 <sayno> Ill be honest, im not seeing that 17:51:00 <sayno> lol 17:51:10 <sayno> you probably think toyota supra's are ugly too dont you 17:51:19 <JohnUK89> sayno, yes, very 17:51:35 <sayno> OMG! 17:51:46 <sayno> you can no longer give your opinion on car looks 17:52:05 <JohnUK89> sayno, everyone is entitled to their opinions 17:52:10 <sayno> lol 17:52:17 <sayno> but who thinks a supra is ugly!? 17:52:36 <JohnUK89> Me :P 17:54:08 <sayno> show me what you think is a good looking car then 17:54:26 * JohnUK89 goes and finds pic 17:55:03 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181071148.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 17:55:09 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit ["Connection not reset by peer."] 17:55:35 <glx> 2CV is a nice car :) 17:55:42 <sayno> LMAO 17:55:43 <Eddi|zuHause> boy have we got far off topic... 17:55:43 <smeding> OMG FINALLY 17:55:48 <JohnUK89> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SC06_2005_Ferrari_575M_Maranello.jpg <THAT is a nice car 17:55:52 <smeding> my friend found my TTD CD again \o/ 17:56:01 <sayno> bah, were talking everday cars 17:56:03 <sayno> not a 575 17:56:12 <JohnUK89> Eddi, lol 17:56:18 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but we came from connection speeds ;) 17:56:46 <JohnUK89> sayno, I didn't see the "everyday" part mentioned anywhere :) 17:57:00 <sayno> well all the cars ive shown are everyday cars 17:57:09 <sayno> ferrari's I only see on sundays 17:57:14 <JohnUK89> Lol 17:57:34 <sayno> im serious! I cruise around a lot, and Only on sunday I see ferrari's, but I always see like 5-10 17:57:35 * JohnUK89 goes and finds another pic 17:57:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't seen any of your cars yet, so they can't be that every day ;) 17:57:49 <sayno> lol 17:58:03 <sayno> well apparently theres more ferrari's in denver than all of the UK :P 17:58:25 <JohnUK89> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lotuselise.jpg 17:58:26 <JohnUK89> There 17:58:32 <sayno> ah I agree, nice car 17:58:40 <JohnUK89> Gorgeous thing that 17:58:44 <sayno> I actually saw an orange one recently 17:59:14 <Eddi|zuHause> that looks a little overdone... 17:59:21 <sayno> the 60 some yr old man driving wouldnt race me through the curves or in a straight line though :( 17:59:39 <JohnUK89> sayno, he would demolish you on a race track :P 17:59:53 <sayno> idk actually 18:00:19 <sayno> the srt-4 neon was developed for track racing, dodge wanted to take a shot at winning a specific SCCA class, but you had to have a production car to do it 18:00:28 <sayno> and yes, I do know EXACTLY what a lotus elise is 18:00:52 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 18:01:15 <sayno> i agree it could probably beat me in the corners by a little bit, but with big mopar brakes and vicious acceleration, I could keep it a close race 18:01:20 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCE85B2.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:01:46 <JohnUK89> sayno, well try an Exige then ;-) 18:01:51 <sayno> thats not fair 18:01:52 <sayno> :P 18:01:58 <sayno> my car was only ,999 18:01:58 <JohnUK89> :P 18:01:59 <sayno> :P 18:02:11 <JohnUK89> Lol 18:02:14 <sayno> let me put ,000 of mods on it, then ill race him, and probably win 18:02:26 <JohnUK89> Nah, the car would weigh too much :-D 18:03:01 <sayno> probably around 2400 pounds in race trim 18:03:09 <sayno> with 450hp 18:03:20 <sayno> and big 245 wide tires all around 18:03:28 <sayno> id have a shot 18:03:28 <JohnUK89> Lol 18:03:33 <JohnUK89> Would be close 18:04:17 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181071148.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:04:45 <sayno> i actually would only have to spend like k to get it to that point 18:04:58 <sayno> I could spend the other 30k on the engine and have 600+ hp easily :P 18:05:06 <JohnUK89> Lol 18:05:18 <JohnUK89> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Atom <beat that :P 18:05:23 <sayno> cant 18:05:24 <sayno> sorry 18:05:25 <sayno> lol 18:05:32 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387E03C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:05:47 <sayno> but were talking about cars, not go-karts :P 18:05:55 <JohnUK89> Hehehe 18:06:21 <sayno> http://www.racerchicks.com/images/motor_IM/dodge11.jpg 18:06:22 <JohnUK89> Oi that is a car :P 18:06:26 <sayno> ^^ race trim srt 18:06:34 <JohnUK89> 300hp is a bit much for go-karts ;-) 18:06:53 <JohnUK89> lol 18:07:00 *** ammler [n=marcel@196-241.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 18:07:00 <sayno> i thought it was a Type-s honda motor 18:07:03 <sayno> like 210hp 18:07:27 <JohnUK89> The nonsupercharged one is 220hp 18:07:34 <sayno> oh ok 18:07:36 <JohnUK89> supercharged it his 300hp 18:07:39 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:07:39 <JohnUK89> hits* 18:08:29 <sayno> so is there streetracing in the UK? 18:08:36 <JohnUK89> Nah lol 18:08:42 <sayno> how boring :( 18:08:43 <JohnUK89> Thats just a nutter's car 18:09:08 <sayno> i like the getaway in stockholm vids, with High hp supras and whatnot outrunning the police. . . wagons, LMAO 18:09:48 <JohnUK89> Lol 18:10:08 <sayno> have you seen those? 18:10:12 <sayno> they are really cool 18:10:45 <JohnUK89> On 9.6k? Dont be rediculous :P 18:11:50 <sayno> you have 9.6k!? 18:12:23 <JohnUK89> Thats what Im on at the moment 18:12:50 <sayno> im on a t1 at work, and its UNGODLY slow compared to my home connection :P 18:12:56 <JohnUK89> Lol 18:13:07 <sayno> i thought they had like 10meg and up connections in UK really cheap 18:13:33 <JohnUK89> Yeah, but I cant get them 18:13:35 <JohnUK89> Lol 18:13:42 <sayno> that sucks 18:13:55 <JohnUK89> Yeah 18:14:06 <sayno> lol, all the towns there are so close you can practically string ethernet between them 18:14:13 <sayno> how can you not get it :P 18:14:18 <JohnUK89> Nah 18:14:27 <JohnUK89> Not quite 18:14:39 <JohnUK89> Too far from the phone exchange 18:17:08 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54945C65.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:15 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181071148.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 18:22:23 *** pv2b [n=pvz@c80-216-45-134.cm-upc.chello.se] has joined #openttd 18:23:56 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181071148.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:24:09 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-130-81.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:28:04 * Prof_Frink is having trouble getting any broadband at all 18:28:19 <JohnUK89> Prof_Frink: you and me both 18:28:24 * Sacro hands Prof_Frink a haddock 18:28:33 * Prof_Frink trades it for a herring 18:28:38 <Sacro> :o 18:28:46 <JohnUK89> Ello Sacro 18:29:00 <Sacro> Ello JohnUK89. back home now 18:29:13 <JohnUK89> Lol 18:29:17 <JohnUK89> I was at home all along :P 18:30:04 <Sacro> lazy 18:30:14 <JohnUK89> Thats me :P 18:36:12 <JohnUK89> <reading top gear quotes lol 18:36:24 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778858.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 18:36:32 <Sacro> nice 18:37:35 <Sacro> http://www.seisake.net/kuva.php?osasto=uudet&u=2006-06-27&s=0&tiedosto=yhdysraide_2.jpg 18:37:37 <Sacro> mwahahahaha 18:38:59 * JohnUK89 waits for it to load 18:39:59 <JohnUK89> LOL! 18:41:34 <JohnUK89> Damn I need a pastebin...bloody good quote :P 18:41:34 <Bjarni> wtf is that driver doing??? 18:42:13 <Sacro> Bjarni: playing chicken 18:42:23 <JohnUK89> Bjarni: being an idiot? :P 18:42:32 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:42:40 <Bjarni> Sacro: well he will lose. The train is not about to turn away :P 18:42:57 <Sacro> Bjarni: maybe...maybe not 18:43:33 <Bjarni> the train is heavy and massive enough to just move on after the car is... well, not a car anymore 18:44:04 <JohnUK89> You would need a high-powered rear wheel drive car to escape that 18:44:19 <Sacro> just reverse up to the trains speed 18:44:35 <Bjarni> what are those green light spots under the car? 18:44:39 <JohnUK89> reversing is too unstable :P 18:45:00 <Sacro> lense flare maybe 18:45:00 <Bjarni> JohnUK89: well, trains reverse allright and he IS on railroad tracks 18:45:19 <Prof_Frink> Nah, you just activate the built in tleporter 18:45:29 <JohnUK89> Bjarni: do car tyres fit in rail tracks? 18:45:34 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:45:45 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387E03C.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:45:46 <ln-> Bjarni: read the text below the image, it explains the situation. 18:45:57 <Bjarni> ln-: ahh, good point 18:46:01 <Sacro> not in a reasonable language though 18:46:14 <Bjarni> ln-: next you will expect me to read Swahili as well, right? 18:46:22 <ln-> sure 18:47:15 <ln-> well, the car driver is basically member of staff. 18:47:39 <ln-> trying to make sure no one else tries to crash with the engine. 18:48:06 <Bjarni> ? 18:48:21 <Sacro> its a "me first" kinda job :) 18:48:52 <ln-> the engine is on a very rarely used railway route that connects the helsinki underground to national railway network. 18:48:57 <Bjarni> so in case people miss seeing the train, they will go "oh, there is a car. I better not crash into that one"? 18:49:10 <ln-> indeed 18:49:36 <Bjarni> I would just have driven the train there without a car 18:49:44 <Bjarni> I really don't see the point in the car 18:50:26 <JohnUK89> Why not have a bigger car there? 18:50:27 <JohnUK89> Lol 18:50:50 <Bjarni> if anything, I would have blocked the road in each end, not just driving a car up the road 18:51:12 <SpComb> Bjarni: the car is from the railway company, and at a guess is driving along behind the train 18:52:51 <Bjarni> then I would have put the red glasses on the lights to make it have red tail lights 18:53:15 <Bjarni> I really fail to see the reason to have that car there 18:53:20 <SpComb> dunno, the train was driving through a urban area so I guess they thought they would make everone well aware of it 18:53:36 <SpComb> I would wonder more at why the train is there :) 18:53:47 <Bjarni> <JohnUK89> Bjarni: do car tyres fit in rail tracks? <-- haven't you watched Back to the future 3? 18:53:52 <ln-> Bjarni: i suppose it's not a road with just two ends, but a road with a lot of junctions. 18:54:38 <Bjarni> hmm 18:54:41 <SpComb> hmm 18:54:43 <Bjarni> google earth 18:54:53 <Bjarni> we can verify that quickly :) 18:55:39 <SpComb> or just hit the up button 18:55:47 <SpComb> http://www.seisake.net/uudetkuvat.php?u=2006-06-27&s=0 18:56:28 <CIA-5> glx * r5815 /branches/TGP/ (15 files in 2 dirs): [TGP] -Change: SDL is no longer needed to be able to load BMP files for heighmaps (thanks Rubidium for the loading buffer) 18:57:18 <Bjarni> hmm 18:57:26 <Bjarni> what is it on those wagons? 18:57:28 <Bjarni> rails? 18:58:25 <Bjarni> ok, I got Helsinki on google earth 18:58:34 <Bjarni> now the question is how to find the tracks... 18:59:03 <Bjarni> we got two Finnish people in here 18:59:13 <Bjarni> at least one of you have to know Helsinki ;) 18:59:29 <Noldo> what are you looking for? 18:59:44 <Bjarni> <SpComb> http://www.seisake.net/uudetkuvat.php?u=2006-06-27&s=0 <-- this railroad line 19:00:07 <SpComb> http://qmsk.paivola.fi/stuff/Ugly%20train.kmz <-- train on the helsinki metro, ugliest thing ever 19:00:16 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:22 <peter1138> .kmz? 19:00:27 <Wolf01> yes, only the delorean can, not all cars have the same width ;) 19:00:31 <SpComb> Bjarni: follow the above to the east, that should eventually end up somewhere :P 19:00:35 * SpComb doesn't really know exactly 19:00:38 <Wolf01> [20:53:54] <Bjarni> <JohnUK89> Bjarni: do car tyres fit in rail tracks? <-- haven't you watched Back to the future 3? 19:00:39 <SpComb> peter1138: google earth 19:00:45 <Noldo> Bjarni: which picture? 19:00:56 <Wolf01> (forgot to paste a piece) 19:01:00 <JohnUK89> Wolf01:nope 19:01:06 <Bjarni> Noldo: mainly this one http://www.seisake.net/kuva.php?osasto=uudet&u=2006-06-27&s=0&tiedosto=yhdysraide_2.jpg 19:01:14 <Bjarni> but I was wondering about the line as a whole 19:01:20 <SpComb> "The system was opened to the general public on 2 August 1982 after 27 years of planning." 19:01:32 <SpComb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helsinki_metro 19:01:59 <Bjarni> SpComb: nice one... In Australia they just finished a railroad. It only took them 82 years to build it 19:02:24 <SpComb> did they take a 80 year break in between? 19:02:27 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:03:22 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:56 <Bjarni> no 19:05:02 <Bjarni> it's just a pretty long one 19:05:10 <Bjarni> well, I don't think they took a break 19:05:12 <ln-> SpComb: in case you didn't notice, there are huge distances in australia, so building a track takes more than 2 years. 19:05:29 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778858.access.telenet.be] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 19:05:42 <Zavior> But 82 years... 19:05:50 <Bjarni> it takes 3 days to go from one end to the other at full speed in a modern train 19:12:45 <JohnUK89> Right I'm actually gonna play some OTTD :P 19:14:40 <Bjarni> you know, this is a mighty hard line to find 19:15:01 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:16:17 <peter1138> JohnUK89: how controversial 19:16:23 <peter1138> (but spelt correctly) 19:16:26 <SpComb> Bjarni: http://qmsk.paivola.fi/stuff/Metro%20Depo.kmz <-- there's the depo, it should go somewhere north from there 19:16:50 <JohnUK89> Peter1138: hehe 19:17:05 <Bjarni> kmz? 19:17:13 <SpComb> a marker thingie for google earth 19:17:26 <SpComb> you can "Open With" google earth 19:17:30 <Bjarni> ahh 19:18:01 <Bjarni> wow, that was cool 19:18:31 <Bjarni> I mean the smooth zooming and moving 19:18:48 <Born-Acorn> I made the bridges work! wooo! 19:18:58 <Born-Acorn> http://blog.bornacorn.com/yay.png 19:19:29 <lws1984> oooh, pretty roads 19:19:56 <peter1138> your roadset? 19:19:59 <Born-Acorn> yes! 19:20:02 <hylje> :o 19:20:02 <peter1138> \o/ 19:20:12 *** Born-Acorn is now known as Born_Acorn 19:20:32 <Born_Acorn> I used multiple pcx files inside one grf! 19:20:44 <Born_Acorn> With thanks to the Pikkaman! 19:20:45 <SpComb> Bjarni: http://www.seisake.net/kuva.php?osasto=uudet&u=2006-06-27&s=10&tiedosto=yhdysraide_12.jpg <-- the lights at the back of this picture should be that tunnel (abrupt end of tracks) at the north end of the depo 19:21:05 <Bjarni> I think the google resolution is too poor to see the track in the pavement 19:21:54 <Bjarni> ok, I think I found the turnout, but it's really blurry 19:22:11 <Bjarni> google just have to increase the resolution before it's possible to follow that track :p 19:22:34 <SpComb> ooh! 19:22:36 <SpComb> I found it 19:22:38 <SpComb> the other end of the tunnel 19:22:48 <SpComb> just follow it to the NW 19:23:12 <SpComb> it's very faint, but it's visible 19:23:25 <Bjarni> yeah 19:23:41 <SpComb> you could follow the photos using the bridges and such 19:23:47 <Bjarni> I followed it where I would presume it would be and I found it up ahead near the roundabout 19:23:58 * peter1138 ponders doing to ottd work 19:24:51 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 19:24:54 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host138-239.pool878.interbusiness.it] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:24:55 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [n=wolf01@host138-239.pool878.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 19:25:10 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 19:25:21 <SpComb> the street names are also useful 19:25:59 <Bjarni> so it's like 2,5 km of tracks in the roads 19:26:06 <Wolf01> diagonal streets are usefull 19:26:25 <Wolf01> to name a road/track you can use signs 19:28:47 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 19:30:54 <SpComb> http://www.seisake.net/kuva.php?osasto=uudet&u=2006-06-27&s=0&tiedosto=yhdysraide_3.jpg <-- heh.... I was wondering why there was a train station on the line, but it was a bus stop :P 19:30:59 <JohnUK89> Hmm TGP is QUICK at generating 19:31:07 <SpComb> trains stopping at bus stops ftw 19:31:20 <Bjarni> hehe 19:32:20 <hylje> mwahah 19:33:53 <SpComb> hrmph 19:34:17 <SpComb> google earth has a thing to lay "paths", but it just gives a popup saying you have to buy Google Earth Plus :/ 19:34:22 <Bjarni> what is the gauge in Finland? 19:34:37 <Bjarni> funny 19:34:43 <Bjarni> it just showed the length here 19:34:46 <ln-> 1524 mm 19:34:49 <SpComb> length for what? 19:35:10 <Bjarni> length of the path I measured 19:35:25 <Bjarni> ln-: so you use wide gauge... good to know when judging size of the pictures 19:35:26 <SpComb> I guess you have Google Earth PLus 19:35:39 <Bjarni> no I don't 19:35:41 <Bjarni> :p 19:35:52 <sayno> Oh, I should install google earth 19:35:57 <sayno> I havent played with it for some time 19:36:01 <Bjarni> I use the mac version 19:36:09 <sayno> do the have a lunx version available? 19:36:10 <hylje> i use the linux version 19:36:16 <sayno> cool 19:36:38 <CIA-5> truelight * r5816 /branches/TGP/ (12 files in 2 dirs): 19:36:38 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Add: add a GUI for Create Scenario preseting you with options: 19:36:38 <CIA-5> - MapSize 19:36:38 <CIA-5> - Date 19:36:38 <CIA-5> - At which height you want your flat (empty) map 19:36:39 <CIA-5> - Generate (Random land) 19:36:41 <CIA-5> - Heightmap 19:36:47 <sayno> hey guys, check out my house, corner of 13th and Logan Denver CO 80202 19:37:11 <JohnUK89> My house is invisible to Google Earth :P 19:37:32 <|Jeroen|> you have to turn of your stealt generator in the basement 19:37:54 <JohnUK89> |Jeroen|: lol 19:38:08 <peter1138> mine is in an uber-low-res area :( 19:38:11 <hylje> doesnt a stealth generator eat a shitload of power? 19:38:18 <JohnUK89> peter1138: same 19:38:24 <sayno> mine is one of the somewhat rendered buildings! w00t! 19:38:31 <hylje> im in the border of hi-res area 19:39:04 <Bjarni> the line is 98.350 inches 19:39:08 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3574A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:23 <peter1138> oh, those 3d bits are neat, sayno 19:41:24 <Bjarni> that's the same as 2,5 km 19:41:40 <sayno> :) 19:41:43 <sayno> thats my city! 19:42:18 <peter1138> now when they make the cars 3d... 19:42:21 <SpComb> http://qmsk.paivola.fi/stuff/P%c3%a4iv%c3%b6l%c3%a4.kmz <-- me 19:42:29 <JohnUK89> lol 19:42:37 <sayno> I actually live right by where google puts the dot for denver 19:42:40 <sayno> like 3 blocks away 19:42:40 <sayno> lol 19:43:09 <SpComb> hmm, google earth uses UTF-8 encoded with urlencode 19:43:10 <SpComb> weird 19:43:16 <SpComb> that says "Päivölä" 19:43:51 * JohnUK89 probably lives where google put the dot for "nowhere" 19:43:53 <Bjarni> I have also seen lines for railroads placed near, but not on the actual railroad, so the line is like into the water and such 19:44:53 <SpComb> yeah, google earth's railways are almost always off 19:44:57 <SpComb> consistently off 19:45:21 <sayno> peter1138 see the tall building a block or so south and a block over from my apartment, thats my gf's college :) 19:46:08 <sayno> er i lied, 2 blocks south 1 block west 19:46:17 <Bjarni> SpComb: I see you miss the luxury of living next to the sea 19:46:21 <hylje> :o 19:46:24 <sayno> lol the other one is like a 14 story apartment complex 19:47:26 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc6745112031.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 19:48:06 <SpComb> want some "WTF?!?!?!" google earth kmzs? 19:48:19 <hylje> ok 19:48:20 <SpComb> http://qmsk.paivola.fi/stuff/blur%20WTF.kmz <-- one I just noticed 19:48:39 <SpComb> reflections did something weird to the camera 19:49:08 <hylje> heh 19:49:16 <SpComb> http://qmsk.paivola.fi/stuff/WTF!.kmz <-- this one is truly weird 19:49:19 <hylje> supo:s places arent there either? 19:49:34 <SpComb> I found it per The Register 19:49:46 <SpComb> http://qmsk.paivola.fi/stuff/WTF!2.kmz <-- it also continues down south a bit 19:49:55 <SpComb> I think they are aerial photos that were added into google earth 19:49:58 <SpComb> a bit random 19:50:09 <hylje> :o 19:50:47 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, have you read that diagonal crossings diff? Do you think that has a chance of being committed to trunk? 19:50:57 <hylje> aerial photo of Sahara, how clever 19:51:13 <peter1138> no 19:51:17 <peter1138> (as in i've not read it) 19:51:26 <SpComb> aerial photos of random shanty (?) towns in anfrica 19:51:29 <SpComb> *africa 19:51:34 <Born_Acorn> ah. 19:51:39 <SpComb> you can see the people, it's a better res than in most cities 19:51:59 <hylje> :D 19:52:07 <SpComb> those towns are also pretty weird.... people live in those kind of houses :/ 19:52:46 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:52:47 <hylje> yeah 19:52:56 <hylje> in those areas there is no rain 19:53:02 <hylje> so real roofs are useless 19:53:09 <SpComb> the sun? 19:53:22 <Brianetta> textile roof 19:53:34 <hylje> ye 19:53:56 <hylje> but really those random really high res pics in middle of a black area in Sahara = wtf 19:54:31 <SpComb> http://qmsk.paivola.fi/stuff/Random%20sand%20dunes.kmz 19:55:16 <hylje> heh, really high res pics of.. sand dunes. 19:55:47 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/Reno train marker.kmz <-- in case you want to see what level of details Google Earth is capable of, here is a little something I found randomly 19:56:16 <Bjarni> I was looking for the Donner Pass (which is a bit west of this location) 19:57:03 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:57:09 <hylje> eww spaces on a link 19:57:26 <Bjarni> do you want me to rename it? 19:57:29 <JohnUK89> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/Reno%20train marker.kmz <corrected 19:57:33 <JohnUK89> oope 19:57:35 <JohnUK89> no it isnt 19:57:36 <Bjarni> :P 19:57:40 <Bjarni> haha 19:57:46 <JohnUK89> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/Reno%20train%20marker.kmz 19:57:47 <JohnUK89> Now it is :P 19:58:06 <JohnUK89> didnt see the second space lol 19:58:13 <hylje> theres turbines on the roofs of those trains? 19:58:18 <ln-> go to Kassel, Germany, and look at the individual railway sleepers. 19:58:19 <hylje> or just large air-conditioners 19:58:27 <hylje> ln-: gief link 19:58:30 <Bjarni> it's the cooling fans 19:58:42 <Bjarni> they ensures airflows though the radiators just below them 19:58:53 <Bjarni> and those radiators contains cooling water from the diesel engines 19:59:05 <Bjarni> that's more or less like all diesel locomotives work 19:59:05 <hylje> :o 19:59:08 <ln-> hylje: type "Kassel, Germany" in the search box 19:59:53 <hylje> and sleepers are exactly what? 20:00:20 <Bjarni> the wood the rails are placed on 20:00:38 <hylje> oh 20:00:45 <hylje> or concrete 20:01:11 <Born_Acorn> Or steel 20:01:37 <Bjarni> lol 20:01:48 <Bjarni> I just made a route from Kassel, Germany to Kassel, Germany and it's 16 meters long :D 20:02:00 <Born_Acorn> http://www.railway-technology.com/contractors/infrastructure/corus3/corus33.html 20:02:02 <Born_Acorn> Steel! 20:02:20 *** RAMPKORV [n=rampkorv@81-235-193-169-no57.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:02:23 <Bjarni> it really picked two different locations in the town as arrival and departure spots :D 20:02:40 <hylje> :D 20:03:07 <hylje> so it didnt redirect you to the Sun and display the text "Oh, divided by zero!" 20:03:31 * JohnUK89 will brb 20:04:15 <Bjarni> when I set eye alot to 170 m, then I get 174, so zooming in will generate a loop 20:04:25 *** RAMPKORV [n=rampkorv@81-235-193-169-no57.tbcn.telia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:05:17 <Bjarni> hmm 20:05:28 <Bjarni> it appears that Kassel lacks catenary 20:05:38 <hylje> oh wow 20:06:05 <Bjarni> or maybe it's due to the fact that it appears that the track I just found is a rarely used siding :p 20:06:22 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Odletam do paralelniho vesmiru..."] 20:07:54 <Bjarni> in fact it appears as the mainline got catenary 20:08:33 <ln-> Kassel is definitely electrified 20:09:05 <Bjarni> yeah 20:09:10 <Bjarni> I see the poles 20:09:14 <Bjarni> and the wire o_O 20:09:38 <hylje> from fucking google earth. 20:10:02 <SpComb> http://qmsk.paivola.fi/stuff/Count%20the%20tracks.kmz 20:10:48 <peter1138> hmm 20:10:49 <peter1138> tgp branch 20:10:56 <peter1138> where did all this heightmap stuff come from 20:11:01 <peter1138> it's quite nice 20:11:04 <Bjarni> when I look at this location, I can't help to wonder if a certain tree doesn't need cutting before it reaches the catenary. It looks kind of big 20:11:12 <hylje> oh god 20:12:08 <SpComb> the answer is 67 parralel tracks 20:12:09 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 20:12:15 <SpComb> can you find a wider track yard? 20:12:19 <RichK67> ping brianetta 20:12:37 <JohnUK89> Lol 20:12:39 <Brianetta> pong 20:12:48 * peter1138 idly wonders why the first main menu has climate buttons 20:12:58 <RichK67> server went down last nite... any ideas why? 20:13:04 <pv2b> peter1138: because t hat's the way it's always been? 20:13:05 <RichK67> (still down) 20:13:09 <Brianetta> ppcis.org/nightly 20:13:12 <peter1138> not a good reason 20:13:14 <hylje> peter1138: because the old rmg used it? 20:13:27 *** netgert [i=Gert@80-235-89-124-dsl.prn.estpak.ee] has quit [] 20:14:11 <RichK67> oh! 20:14:19 <RichK67> not good :( 20:14:50 <hylje> :o? 20:17:06 <Brianetta> Not good, no. 20:17:24 <Sacro> RichK67: get him to do MiniIN :P 20:17:29 <Brianetta> TGP could have had an incredible amount of testing had it been int he nightlies, for example. Same for YAPF/PBS. 20:17:39 <hylje> and bridges? 20:17:42 <Brianetta> Sacro: You know my opinion pf the MiniIN 20:17:48 <Sacro> Brianetta: yes, i do 20:17:49 <Brianetta> hylje: Indeed yes. 20:17:53 <peter1138> YAPF is in the nightlies... 20:18:01 <Sacro> we did test bridges, and YAPF didnt we 20:18:02 <Brianetta> PBS isn't 20:18:16 <Brianetta> Sacro: We could still be testing bridges 20:18:20 <Sacro> i loved testing PBS, except when brianetta uploaded my mistakes :( 20:18:29 <hylje> :D 20:18:34 <Brianetta> but Tron decided that it wasn't ready for trunk 20:18:44 <Brianetta> I mean, wtf? It's the SVN trunk, not a release 20:18:45 <CIA-5> truelight * r5817 /branches/TGP/genworld_gui.c: 20:18:45 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Temporary fix: because we have the 32 widget limit for now 20:18:45 <CIA-5> (fix for it, is work in progress), I reduced the amount of needed widgets 20:18:45 <CIA-5> for the World Generate with 2. It has to be said that this fix is pretty 20:18:45 <CIA-5> ugly, because I do the widget drawing myself inside the WE_PAINT routine. 20:18:46 <CIA-5> Therefor it should be changed ASAP when the widget limit can be increased. 20:18:47 <hylje> PBS Tutorial: Learn through Others' Mistakes 20:18:47 <Sacro> hylje: it wasnt funny :( 20:18:50 <CIA-5> Also, it has a small graphical flaw, but I wonder if anyone can spot it..... 20:19:17 <Sacro> nice essay from TL there 20:19:43 <CIA-5> truelight * r5818 /branches/TGP/TODO.TGP: 20:19:43 <CIA-5> [TGP] -Update: the last 2 points of the TODO won't be done in TGP branch. 20:19:43 <CIA-5> For questions, ask Rubidium or TrueLight. 20:20:50 <RichK67> back 20:21:38 <pv2b> oh, by the way. as for height-maps. is there an easy way to fix a heightmap PNG so the colour pallette is right? 20:22:04 * peter1138 wonders where kudr went 20:23:31 <RichK67> Brianetta: I still see your server as a) the most reliable friendly server I know of, b) the only one to consistently use nightlies, c) the only one with the best set of newgrfs.... i still think it is an excellent place to test the nightly 20:23:39 *** JohnUK81 [n=John@host217-32-129-154.webport.bt.net] has joined #openttd 20:23:57 <Brianetta> Yeah, but it's a lot of work to keep it that way 20:24:14 <JohnUK81> oh ffs not again :-\ 20:24:22 *** JohnUK89 [n=John@host217-32-134-160.webport.bt.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:24:27 <Brianetta> I'm unimpressed with the whole nightly concept. 20:24:28 *** JohnUK81 is now known as JohnUK89 20:25:01 <hylje> Brianetta: dont be sad ive had great fun with friends using your newgrf set and MiniIN/trunk nightly 20:25:02 <RichK67> i agree the trunk is no longer a development branch, but a pseudo-release 20:25:02 <Brianetta> Since nothing seems to be allowed into the nightly until it's done 20:25:27 <Brianetta> Thing is, it is updated far too frequently to be stable 20:25:37 <Brianetta> It inhibits development 20:25:47 <Brianetta> forcing it into othe rbranches 20:25:56 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc6745112031.direcpc.com] has quit ["*.net *.split"] 20:25:59 <Brianetta> where, once done, they have to be hand-merged 20:26:07 <Rubidium> pv2b: depends on what you mean by that; if the PNG is paletted and has 16 colors, it uses the order, otherwise it uses the (NTSC) brightness of that pixel 20:26:11 <Brianetta> Basically, nightly testing involves looking for the merge bugs. 20:26:53 <pv2b> Rubidium: yeah, i already have a PNG with colours representing different heights. now i just need to actually change the colours of it in a not-too-complicated way 20:27:14 <Sacro> peter1138: slovakia 20:27:27 *** sayno [n=sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20:27:38 <peter1138> ? 20:27:42 <peter1138> oh 20:27:53 <RichK67> yeah true... i think some of it is a reaction to the whining and moaning from users... "the nightly doesnt work"... with them somehow expecting it to be 100% stable... so to avoid wiping the noses of snotty kids, dev work has moved away from trunk 20:28:01 <Rubidium> pv2b: for that I've got no solution; I've not generated any heightmaps myself 20:28:05 <pv2b> Rubidium: right 20:28:07 <Sacro> peter1138: i think... its been ages since he was in #newsignals 20:28:14 *** sayno [n=sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:22 <Brianetta> RichK67: The dev team needs to grow a pair and ignore whiners. 20:28:42 <Brianetta> Stable releases are for people who want no bugs. 20:28:51 <Sacro> id love to see a release with ALL the different branches 20:29:45 <RichK67> sure - but with so many developments on the go, the nightly would be going up 100s a week... and you are saying that it isnt stable now due to "too many updates"... ?? 20:30:07 <Brianetta> I am not saying that 20:30:21 <RichK67> [21:25] Brianetta: Thing is, it is updated far too frequently to be stable <-- >> 20:30:25 *** Guest56 [i=Gono@N959P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:30:26 <Brianetta> I'm saying it's kept stable, with only trivial updates (languages, etc) 20:30:54 <Brianetta> Keeping my server a real nightly actually got me complaints from players 20:31:04 <RichK67> including me :) 20:31:25 <Brianetta> Perhaps if the nightly actually exhinibted development progress, this wouldn't have been an issue. 20:31:28 <RichK67> it was getting silly... 20:31:41 <Brianetta> I think it's time for a dev fork. 20:31:50 <Sacro> yeah, updating every night for nothing different 20:33:29 <pv2b> i just kinda prefer to use the releases 20:33:36 <peter1138> if you can find a bunch of developers who'll fork... 20:33:49 <Brianetta> MiniIN is almost a fork 20:34:10 <Brianetta> but it's a bit unruly, and hampered by being kept in line with the trunk. 20:34:23 <RichK67> yeah, i would like to see a trunk for dev work, and a pre-release for bug fixes... bug fixes are ported back into the trunk, but the pre-release is essentially stable 20:34:46 <peter1138> i would be developing stuff in trunk 20:34:53 <RichK67> lol - unruly :) and the dev would far rather be playing than merging ;) 20:34:56 <peter1138> except i've been really busy with work for the past 2 months 20:35:40 <RichK67> essentially the "pre-release" is what trunk is right now... essentially stable, but with only bug fixes, not new features 20:35:48 <Brianetta> peter1138: You'd be given a newgrf branch or something lame. 20:36:08 <peter1138> no i wouldn't 20:36:16 <Brianetta> It wasn't like this when Darkvater was in charge (: 20:36:19 <Sacro> newgrf_lab ... 20:36:35 <Sacro> BRING BACK MR VATER 20:36:38 <peter1138> that was for me & belugas to use instead of passing patches around all the time 20:36:55 <hylje> s/[A-Za-z0-9]/A/ 20:37:12 <RichK67> same thing for TGP - it was getting silly that more TGP dev work was happening in the MiniIN branch... didnt make sense 20:37:13 <Sacro> hylje: thats kinda pointless 20:37:27 <peter1138> i've got a good patch coming up 20:37:35 <Born_Acorn> newsounds! 20:37:36 <Sacro> peter1138: ;) 20:37:37 <peter1138> no 20:37:40 <peter1138> although... 20:37:40 * Born_Acorn dies 20:37:42 <Sacro> :o NEWSOUDNS 20:37:44 <peter1138> refit costs 20:37:49 <Born_Acorn> newsoudns? 20:37:51 <Sacro> its been done hasnt it 20:37:57 <peter1138> what has? 20:37:58 <Sacro> i think MiniIN has it 20:38:04 <peter1138> dunno 20:38:11 <Born_Acorn> Calback 36! The Super Guppy in AV8! 20:38:12 <RichK67> yup - for about 2 months now 20:38:18 <peter1138> i don't track miniin 20:38:39 <peter1138> is it mine or mart3ps? 20:38:46 <RichK67> mart3p 20:38:49 <Born_Acorn> (I don't think he tracks miniin) 20:39:00 <Born_Acorn> (It's mart3p's) 20:39:08 <Born_Acorn> (whisper) 20:39:45 <peter1138> cost = _price.ship_base >> 7; 20:39:49 <peter1138> 's not in miniin 20:40:21 <peter1138> oh, it's the dodgy thing for rail vehicles only 20:40:49 <peter1138> (no offence to mart3p) 20:41:04 <peter1138> damn 20:41:10 <peter1138> i burnt my tongue on a spud 20:41:17 <Sacro> ouch 20:41:29 <peter1138> i'm still fucking compiling 20:41:30 <peter1138> grrr 20:41:42 <peter1138> 5302 peter 15 0 99.1m 23m 9416 S 28.9 4.6 7:19.69 beagled-helper 20:41:45 <peter1138> o_O 20:41:55 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, why does the extra newgrf not show up for planes? 20:42:03 <Born_Acorn> *extra newgrf text 20:42:17 <peter1138> because 20:42:19 <JohnUK89> ouch :S 20:42:20 <Born_Acorn> It's meant to be there in AV8, but no text! 20:42:29 <peter1138> it was only added for rail vehicles, hehe 20:42:36 <Born_Acorn> oh, it's the dodgy thing for rail vehicles only 20:42:37 <peter1138> lemme do this commit first 20:42:41 <Born_Acorn> :p 20:42:45 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: you're a dodgy thing 20:42:47 <peter1138> for rail vehicles only 20:42:48 <Born_Acorn> :o 20:42:54 <RichK67> thats the thing tho.... everyone else's stuff is regarded as "dodgy"... thats what holds up development... sure the full thing may not have been complete... but ppl could have been out there mass-testing mart3p's thing since june 20:42:54 <peter1138> except the roadset 20:42:55 <Born_Acorn> How uncouth 20:43:06 <Born_Acorn> yay 20:43:08 <Born_Acorn> roadset++ 20:43:08 <peter1138> RichK67: in this case, mart3p considered his a hack ;) 20:43:29 <RichK67> the undodgy-ifying could happen while in use and it would continue mass-testing 20:44:25 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r5819 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): - NewGRF: add support for refit costs specified in NewGRF. This may affect the default refit costs for the default rail vehicles. 20:44:47 * peter1138 gives beagled-helper the old 18 20:44:58 <Born_Acorn> yay 20:45:09 <Born_Acorn> now refitting things will cost more! 20:45:12 <Born_Acorn> ...oh 20:45:14 <peter1138> or less! 20:45:14 <RichK67> the core algorithms of TGP have been essentially unchanged for 4 months... all the extra work recently has been on other items (gui, threading, etc.) ... but ppl could have been out there enjoying TGP terrains for all that time... it just slows life up 20:45:21 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-130-81.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:45:54 <peter1138> RichK67: ok, but if i merge it will you throw a hissy fit and revert it? 20:46:08 <hylje> considered merging the stablest MiniIN-featured patches to trunk too? 20:46:12 <RichK67> nope - i wouldnt have at all... i am a gamer at heart 20:46:24 <Born_Acorn> games games games! 20:46:29 * Born_Acorn goes mental 20:46:30 <Brianetta> trunk needs a lot more shit in it. 20:46:46 <Brianetta> Any shit that needs testing. 20:46:51 <RichK67> btw - TGP is not my branch any more - so i would check with Truelight first :) 20:46:54 * Born_Acorn gives peter1138 a super secret test version of the UKRoadset! 20:47:15 <Born_Acorn> No. I lied. 20:47:29 <peter1138> :( 20:47:42 *** Gonozal_VIII [i=Gono@N732P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:47:48 <RichK67> Born_Acorn: cracking screenie i saw of UK roadset... very nice :) 20:47:57 <Born_Acorn> :o 20:48:02 <RichK67> just missing the orange cones every 30 yards ;) 20:48:08 <Born_Acorn> heehee 20:48:16 <JohnUK89> Richk67, hehe 20:48:26 * peter1138 grabs av8 20:48:32 <RichK67> and the signs saying "Cones Hotline" :) 20:48:43 <Born_Acorn> av8 is coolies. 20:48:51 <JohnUK89> And the 5 year long roadworks :P 20:49:08 <peter1138> -rw-r--r-- 1 peter peter 648365 2006-06-06 08:00 data/custom/pb_av8.grf 20:49:09 <Born_Acorn> JohnUK89, thats up to you and the "FundLocal Road reconstruction" button. :p 20:49:10 <peter1138> -rw-r--r-- 1 peter peter 1095376 2006-08-09 21:53 data/custom/pb_av8.grf 20:49:12 <peter1138> ouch 20:49:50 <JohnUK89> Born_Acorn, don't fancy hitting it 8 or 9 times ;-) 20:50:01 <Born_Acorn> I've been stalling with the UKRoadset by doing unnecessary things like adding Comment systems to my site. :p 20:50:38 <JohnUK89> Lol 20:50:44 <JohnUK89> I need to pick up some grfs 20:51:12 <Born_Acorn> All I need to do now is replace the forecourts of the bus and lorry bays, and get rid of some graphical erroors. 20:51:30 <JohnUK89> ooh :D 20:52:24 <Darkvater> backk :) 20:52:47 <JohnUK89> Fancy sliding me a WIP version Born_Acorn? :-p 20:52:52 <JohnUK89> wb Darkvater :0 20:52:55 <JohnUK89> :)* 20:53:16 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176127153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:54:01 <Born_Acorn> Yer cheeky blighter! 20:54:13 <JohnUK89> Hehehe 20:54:17 <peter1138> Born_Acorn's sliding his thing? 20:54:28 <Born_Acorn> :o 20:54:29 <JohnUK89> peter1138: nooooo 20:55:26 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, check query window! 20:59:05 <Born_Acorn> echo! 20:59:49 <peter1138> oh 20:59:49 <peter1138> lol 20:59:51 <peter1138> fucking freenode 20:59:57 <peter1138> blocked my responses :/ 21:00:03 <peter1138> lame 21:00:16 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:00:27 <Brianetta> Freenode sucks. Let's migrate. 21:00:41 <hylje> where? 21:00:41 <lws1984> to Quakenet! 21:00:44 <pv2b> oftc? 21:00:46 <hylje> omg quake. 21:00:50 <hylje> quaket vittuun. 21:00:51 <ln-> liloaid.org has been down for weeks! 21:01:01 <peter1138> let's join #tycoon ;) 21:01:11 <lws1984> no! 21:01:13 <RichK67> brianetta wants to get moving... migrate talker, fork dev... what next? 21:01:14 <lws1984> don't invade us! 21:01:20 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176099039.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:01:27 <hylje> invasion! 21:02:08 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r5820 /trunk/ (aircraft_gui.c roadveh_gui.c ship_gui.c vehicle_gui.c): - NewGRF: Add support for extra vehicle text in the purchase list for road vehicles, aircraft and ships. 21:02:22 <Brianetta> oftc is good 21:02:26 <Brianetta> blitzed is good 21:02:42 <hylje> ircnet? 21:02:50 <pv2b> ircnet > * 21:02:52 <Brianetta> ew 21:02:55 <peter1138> hmm, what else 21:04:42 * Darkvater congrats peter1138 with his first commit this week ;) 21:06:20 <CIA-5> richk * r5821 /branches/MiniIN/lang/polish.txt: 21:06:20 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: Added Polish translations for MiniIN. 21:06:20 <CIA-5> Many thanks to ddream for patch. 21:08:00 <peter1138> second ;p 21:08:12 <Darkvater> sorry :+ 21:08:19 <peter1138> however 21:08:23 <peter1138> month is more like it 21:08:26 <peter1138> err 21:08:34 <peter1138> including july, heh 21:08:42 <peter1138> well, i guess sync with trunk don't really count 21:09:23 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:47 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r5822 /trunk/ (5 files): - NewGRF: add support for callback 31, vehicle start/stop check. This allows a set to disallow a vehicle from being started, i.e. to not be able to leave the depot. This is almost a partner to callback 1D. 21:12:00 <Darkvater> o_O 21:12:05 <Darkvater> look who's busy :D 21:12:30 <peter1138> my patches dir stops at the end of june ;( 21:12:39 <peter1138> hmm, 2cc 21:12:46 * Darkvater gives peter some more patches 21:12:57 <peter1138> i've a my own back log ta ;p 21:13:33 <peter1138> although r5820 was just written 21:14:36 <peter1138> hmm, freighttrains patch 21:14:49 <Darkvater> ohoh, do do! 21:14:57 <peter1138> i think miniin has this already 21:15:09 <peter1138> my patch is called "freighttrainsminiin.diff" 21:15:19 <peter1138> rejects! 21:16:00 <peter1138> oh, i see 21:16:05 <peter1138> cargo subtypes 21:16:06 <peter1138> hmm 21:16:17 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181071148.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [] 21:16:52 <peter1138> Darkvater: this is a patch option 21:17:06 <peter1138> what do i need to do with respect to savegames etc 21:17:10 <RichK67> yup, i may need some guidance on what you have added that i need to remove from miniin first before i sync with trunk 21:17:19 <Darkvater> peter1138: I assume it is not player-based? 21:17:31 <peter1138> nope 21:17:42 <Darkvater> then just a simple 0 21:17:55 <peter1138> save games stay compat? 21:18:13 <peter1138> hmm 21:18:22 <Darkvater> yes, add min/max-version and bump savegame version 21:18:25 <peter1138> i appear to have put an SDT_CONDVAR in this build 21:18:27 <peter1138> ah 21:18:27 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54945C65.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["gn"] 21:18:28 <peter1138> right 21:18:38 <Darkvater> isn't it SDT_CONDBOOL? 21:18:49 <peter1138> then the anti-save-game-bump people will ATTACK ME! 21:18:52 <peter1138> no, it's an int 21:18:52 <Darkvater> this reminds me; where's kudr? 21:19:12 <peter1138> maybe it's not what you thought it was ;p 21:19:32 <peter1138> 21:27 < Sacro> peter1138: slovakia 21:19:33 <Guest56> how can i reduce the number of disconnects in multiplayer? 21:19:42 <Darkvater> kick all players ;p 21:19:44 <peter1138> dont' connect in the first place 21:19:46 <peter1138> then you can't disconnect 21:19:47 <peter1138> shit 21:19:51 <peter1138> that sounds like a bjarni answer 21:20:20 <Guest56> any helpful answers? :P 21:20:20 <JohnUK89> Get a better net connection :-p 21:20:26 * hylje bumps the savegames 21:20:27 <Guest56> dsl 21:20:33 <Guest56> 2mbit 21:21:04 <Bjarni> yeah 21:21:05 <Darkvater> Guest56: just the usual, make sure every player uses the same version and same newgrf files 21:21:10 <Bjarni> I would also say kick all players :P 21:21:19 <JohnUK89> Strange...I can keep sync on GPRS...~64kbit 21:21:33 <JohnUK89> But as Darkvater says :P 21:21:49 <Guest56> we have exactly the same version 21:21:56 <Darkvater> and some people have reported 0.4.8-RC2 has cut down on the desyncs 21:22:10 <Darkvater> although I don't remember doing any such work, but you can try that 21:22:12 <JohnUK89> newgrfs? 21:22:28 <Guest56> also the same, ziped and sent the game folder 21:22:39 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:23:18 <glx> same newgrf order in openttd.cfg? 21:23:30 <Guest56> yes 21:25:02 <Guest56> sometimes it works for hours without problems and then again desync every minute 21:25:04 <JohnUK89> Guest56: what version of OTTD/ 21:25:11 <glx> I heard that some newgrf are causing desyncs 21:25:11 <JohnUK89> ?* 21:25:22 <CIA-5> richk * r5823 /branches/MiniIN/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 21:25:22 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [AdditionalOrders]: Fixes: 21:25:22 <CIA-5> - Some coding style errors 21:25:22 <CIA-5> - Changed the "Service at" button as SirkoZ suggested 21:25:22 <CIA-5> - Fixed the desync caused by using the station settings in Multiplayer 21:25:23 <CIA-5> - Fixed the loading bug by replacing a train engine by hand in depot 21:25:25 <CIA-5> Many thanks to gigajum for ongoing support of his patch. 21:25:37 <hylje> changelog: - Some coding style errors 21:26:06 <RichK67> his words, not mine 21:26:07 <peter1138> hylje: - Somd coding style errors 21:26:12 <peter1138> wait 21:26:21 <Guest56> tried different versions last with miniin 5663 21:26:22 <peter1138> it's just as senseless the second time 21:27:04 <RichK67> makes perfect sense to me... this patch "fixes some coding style errors" 21:27:53 <Guest56> [23:25:10] <glx> I heard that some newgrf are causing desyncs <-- do you know which ones? 21:28:01 <glx> no :( 21:28:02 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 21:28:15 <peter1138> RichK67: yes, that makes sense. hylje's copying of it doesn't 21:28:44 <RichK67> iirc, us stations... 21:28:48 <hylje> out of context wins? :) 21:29:02 <Guest56> hmm us stations... 21:31:20 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A0CA.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:31:35 * peter1138 fondly remembers the days of newstations causing openttd to throw a spazz 21:33:36 <CIA-5> richk * r5824 /branches/MiniIN/saveload.c: 21:33:36 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [Copy/Paste]: Fix: Bridges did not load from templates (but were saved). 21:33:36 <CIA-5> Many thanks to Frostregen for the two brackets ;) 21:33:38 *** Spoco- [i=Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-100.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 21:35:36 <hylje> speaking of brackets, dont you love it when you have a single (1) missing somewhere in 10 thousand lines of code 21:35:36 *** publunch [n=publunch@87.112.84.62.bbplus.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:36:38 *** Guest56 [i=Gono@N959P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [] 21:36:46 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 21:38:47 <Darkvater> peter1138: yeah, those were the times *g* 21:39:06 <Darkvater> peter1138: now if we were to add UTF8 and realistic acceleration... :D 21:40:19 <CIA-5> richk * r5825 /branches/MiniIN/tunnelbridge_cmd.c: 21:40:19 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [UpgradeBridgesInSitu]: Replacing a bridge with the same one of another rail type was not working. Now it does. 21:40:19 <CIA-5> Many thanks to gigajum for patch. 21:40:31 <hylje> realistic acceleration! noes 21:41:18 <RichK67> add physics instead ... far better 21:41:37 *** Gonozal_VIII [i=Gono@N853P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:42:53 <hylje> havok 21:42:54 <hylje> :D 21:43:14 <hylje> fun times debugging that so trains dont explode from moving 21:45:10 <CIA-5> richk * r5826 /branches/MiniIN/ (patches/MiniINpatches.txt town_cmd.c): 21:45:10 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [TownBridgesSpacing]: Added patch. Prevents towns from building bridges within two tiles to another bridge. 21:45:10 <CIA-5> Many thanks to gigajum for patch. 21:47:52 <hylje> i suggest merging those town-related patches to trunk 21:50:15 <RichK67> wow......look at that... low flying pigs 21:51:09 *** muddypaws [n=publunch@87.112.75.48.bbplus.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:53:50 <Wolf01> 'night 21:53:57 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host138-239.pool878.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 21:58:05 * JohnUK89 needs reboot...brb 21:58:06 *** JohnUK89 [n=John@host217-32-129-154.webport.bt.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:58:37 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:00:42 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 22:02:26 *** JohnUK89 [n=John@host217-32-123-118.webport.bt.net] has joined #openttd 22:02:42 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:02:51 *** publunch [n=publunch@87.112.84.62.bbplus.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:03:24 <JohnUK89> back lol 22:09:13 <CIA-5> richk * r5827 /branches/MiniIN/ (14 files in 5 dirs): 22:09:13 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [DiagonalCrossings]: Adds diagonal level crossing support. Savegame version bumped to 39. 22:09:13 <CIA-5> Many thanks to Maedhros for MiniIN version of patch. 22:13:17 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:13:57 *** Zorix [n=Brandon@226-124.34-65.swfla.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:14:11 <Zorix> i have a cd with transport tycoon 22:14:18 <JohnUK89> brb 22:14:20 <Zorix> i guess its the dos version.. none of the files required are in there 22:14:43 <Zorix> i found the sample.cat 22:14:47 <Zorix> but the other ones dont exist 22:15:29 <Zorix> any ideas? 22:15:51 <Zorix> i must have an unsupported version apparently 22:16:07 <Gonozal_VIII> http://ttdlxhq.raysworld.ch/page/index.php?action=down <-- you can get the files there 22:16:32 <Zorix> ok 22:16:46 <Zorix> but any idea why my original one doesnt have the right files? 22:16:52 *** muddypaws is now known as publunch 22:17:33 <Gonozal_VIII> is it deluxe? 22:17:38 <Zorix> yes 22:17:42 <Zorix> says deluxe on the side 22:18:30 <Gonozal_VIII> no idea then 22:18:44 <Zorix> i see grf files 22:18:48 <Zorix> but tnot the same ones 22:18:54 <glx> give the names 22:19:03 <Zorix> tredit.grf 22:19:13 <Zorix> trend.grf 22:19:17 <Zorix> trhcom2.grf 22:19:23 <Zorix> trhcom.grf 22:19:33 <Zorix> trtitle.grf 22:19:41 <glx> it's not TTD 22:19:46 <Zorix> what is it 22:19:58 <Zorix> syas transport tycoon deluxe on the cd and the cover 22:20:23 <Zorix> and the installer says it too 22:20:43 <Zorix> the screenshots on the back look a lot like the stuff in the openttd screens 22:21:09 <CIA-5> richk * r5828 /branches/MiniIN/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 22:21:09 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [DragBuyingLand]: Drag/drop buying land with the purchase tool. Does not work in multiplayer to deter nasty play. 22:21:09 <CIA-5> Many thanks to Wolf01 for patch. 22:21:28 <Zorix> any idea? 22:24:27 *** magus_x [n=magus@201-11-215-13.pltce7002.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 22:24:50 <glx> Zorix: Mars edition it seems 22:25:23 <Zorix> heh 22:25:40 <Zorix> maybe i should iso it for the developers to look at? some unknown version? 22:27:26 *** JohnUK89 [n=John@host217-32-123-118.webport.bt.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:30:26 <Zorix> who would i talk to 22:30:55 *** Sacro_ [n=ben@adsl-83-100-130-81.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:31:32 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 22:31:49 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 22:33:11 <SpComb> wasn't the mars thing an addon? 22:33:15 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 22:33:22 <hylje> kinda 22:33:23 <Zorix> mars? 22:33:27 <hylje> mars tileset 22:34:30 <Zorix> i thought that was a joke 22:35:29 *** ammler [n=marcel@196-241.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #openttd [] 22:35:54 <Zorix> what is TTO 22:36:11 <hylje> transport tycoon original 22:36:57 <Zorix> ah 22:37:08 <Zorix> i did a search on one of the files thats what the form says i have 22:38:30 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:38:30 <Zorix> sucks 22:38:34 <hylje> :/ 22:38:53 <Zorix> dunno why it says deluxe on the cd and the manual 22:40:13 <RichK67> delusions of grandeur ;) 22:42:36 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp15-206.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 22:42:54 <Zorix> seems so 22:49:40 <Belugas_Gone> 3333 22:50:22 <Sacro> Belugas_Gone: 4444? 22:50:43 <pv2b> 5555 22:50:54 <lws1984> 6666 22:51:20 <Sacro> 7777 22:51:28 <lws1984> 8888 22:51:32 <pv2b> 9999 22:51:34 <pv2b> you lose 22:51:36 <lws1984> 10101010 22:51:39 <lws1984> binary! 22:51:43 <RichK67> rwxrwxrwxrwx = 7777 22:51:43 <Sacro> AAAA 22:51:53 <lws1984> oh god, here we go again 22:51:54 <pv2b> no. 22:51:58 <Sacro> RichK67: errm, who is the 4th? 22:52:02 <RichK67> god 22:52:02 <pv2b> rwsrwSrwt = 7777 22:52:03 * lws1984 points at the no AAA-ing sign 22:52:23 <Sacro> B000 - 1 22:53:23 <pv2b> in spain, first you marry, *then* you statoil! 22:53:59 <RichK67> omfg - what the **** has happened to the file sort order... if you sort by date, it uses the bloody game date, not the file date... really handy for games that have hit 2090... 22:54:22 <Sacro> hehe 22:54:49 <RichK67> in fact, its worse than that... it sorts by the day and month only.... ignores year 22:55:06 <Sacro> ouch 22:55:07 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 22:56:21 <RichK67> now to find the offending commit and uncommit it from miniin 22:56:57 <Belugas_Gone> oups... sorry... my son hit the keyboard while i was away :) 22:57:31 <Darkvater> RichK67: it doesn't sort by date; my fault 22:57:53 <Darkvater> just found out 22:57:57 <RichK67> ah - its a bad un 22:58:30 <RichK67> my Pile Transport saves (with differing savegameversions) are now in random order ;) 22:58:58 <Darkvater> wtf 22:59:45 <Sacro> Belugas_Gone: it kept us amused 22:59:49 <Darkvater> goddammit, fucking MSDN fucking crap 22:59:59 <Sacro> Darkvater: calm down :) 23:00:19 <RichK67> its only a commercial :) 23:00:25 <Darkvater> so that is stat.mtime? 23:00:36 <Darkvater> stat.st_mtime on windows? 23:00:39 <Darkvater> time_t st_mtime; 23:00:41 <Darkvater> of course 23:00:43 <Darkvater> what is time_t? 23:00:48 <Darkvater> __int64 23:00:58 <Darkvater> what is it when I debug? long (32 bit) 23:01:04 <Darkvater> crappy shit 23:01:31 <Darkvater> ah __int64 on WIN64, 32bit on normal windows 23:01:33 <Darkvater> yippee 23:01:48 <Darkvater> stupid fuckwindows 23:01:49 <Darkvater> jezus 23:03:06 * Darkvater kicks windows in the nuts 23:03:31 <hylje> Darkvater: "wtf is this shit" 23:03:37 <CIA-5> richk * r5829 /branches/MiniIN/ (56 files in 7 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk: r5670:5800 23:04:49 <lws1984> Darkvater: wnidows doesn't have any! 23:07:14 <RichK67> yeah... just nails, and self-tapping screws... most of which are loose ;) 23:08:31 <mikk36> just a question: would anyone be willing to send his old nokia 3310 to me? :) 23:11:34 <Sacro> hmm, i lost mine :( 23:14:23 <CIA-5> richk * r5830 /branches/MiniIN/ (11 files in 2 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk: r5800:5813 23:14:46 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Dinner!"] 23:17:24 <Born_Acorn> Thanks to RichK67 I get SVN Digests by the dozen. :p 23:19:39 <RichK67> hey - its my first updates in over a week... ive been getting lax.... loads of good stuff to get in :) 23:20:31 <RichK67> i will hold fire on aircraft queuing until the weekend... i want to test it reasonably 23:20:55 <Sacro> RichK67: diagonal crossings! 23:20:57 *** magus_ [n=magus@200-203-59-153.pltce7004.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 23:21:30 *** magus_ [n=magus@200-203-59-153.pltce7004.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:21:35 <RichK67> yup - and they are COOL :) 23:21:44 <Maedhros> :) 23:22:23 <Sacro> RichK67: mergy mergy? 23:22:46 <RichK67> even Wolf01's dragdrop purchase land made it tonite 23:23:16 <RichK67> [23:09] CIA-5: richk * r5827 /branches/MiniIN/ (14 files in 5 dirs): 23:23:16 <RichK67> [23:09] CIA-5: [MiniIN]: [DiagonalCrossings]: Adds diagonal level crossing support. Savegame version bumped to 39. 23:23:16 <RichK67> [23:09] CIA-5: Many thanks to Maedhros for MiniIN version of patch. 23:23:42 <RichK67> Sacro: you obviously missed it ;) 23:23:56 <Sacro> wow, nice 23:24:00 <Sacro> yeah i was at the pub 23:24:10 <RichK67> fair enough 23:25:10 *** magus_ [n=magus@200-203-59-153.pltce7004.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 23:25:20 <mikk36> hmm.. is anyone here good with electronics ? 23:25:22 <Gonozal_VIII> aircraft queuing looks cool, the planes form kind of a doublehelix while waiting 23:25:30 <RichK67> yeah - ive been busy tonite - 3 fixes, 4 new patches, sync with trunk (most of the way) 23:25:31 <Sacro> mikk36: me kinda 23:25:45 * publunch is away: zzzz 23:26:02 <mikk36> could u show me parts needed to connect computers reset pins with a relay ? 23:26:03 <mikk36> http://www.tevalo.ee/cgi-bin/web_store.cgi?lng=eng 23:26:10 <Sacro> publunch: no away messages 23:26:23 <mikk36> from phones led 23:27:11 <RichK67> ah - so dial this number to reset the PC :) 23:27:16 <mikk36> yes 23:27:28 <mikk36> windows shitted itself again while updating 23:27:34 <Bjarni> so every time somebody calls you (even wrong number) will reset your computer? 23:27:38 <magus_> =p 23:27:57 <RichK67> you will love the US autodiallers :) "you have won a cruise in florida"... reset.... 23:28:10 <mikk36> i don't live in the US 23:28:26 <RichK67> neither do i!! i still get the calls 23:28:34 <mikk36> well, i'm far from there :P 23:28:42 <Bjarni> we got a law against them here, so I don't :D 23:29:09 <Bjarni> mikk36: those prices are in Estonian kr, right? 23:29:19 <mikk36> yes 23:29:24 <Born_Acorn> Is diag crossings trunk material or not trunk material? 23:29:41 <mikk36> 1 = 15.6466 EEK 23:29:50 <pv2b> eek! 23:29:53 <Bjarni> some of this looks cheap, specially compared to our prices 23:30:22 <RichK67> Born_Acorn: definitely trunk... one minor graphics glitch ive spotted 23:30:22 <mikk36> most stuff is from ELFA cataloque 23:30:37 <mikk36> so from sweden 23:30:56 <Born_Acorn> RichK67, is the coding style all good and consistant? 23:31:01 <RichK67> ill post a screenie 23:31:14 <Born_Acorn> (as thats what matters to the developers who get the say on trunk) 23:31:17 <RichK67> bah - i cant tell... im not qualified to judge 23:31:42 <Bjarni> you have to be aware that here we got a pretty strict law about what is allowed to be connected to the phone cable to avoid problems at the phone company 23:31:43 * Born_Acorn already compiled and applied the diff 23:31:49 <Bjarni> odds are that you got the same 23:31:52 <Maedhros> Born_Acorn: the coding style could probably be worked on a bit more ;) 23:32:04 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: wrong order... apply before compile :P 23:32:05 <Born_Acorn> Ah, hello! 23:32:06 <RichK67> i follow function not form... if it works, and isnt buggy, and has enough comments, i dont care if it has an extra space between the ( and the variable :) 23:32:11 <Born_Acorn> well. applied then compiled. 23:32:46 <Born_Acorn> I'll do it Bjarni's way for now. 23:32:46 <Born_Acorn> :p 23:33:19 <Bjarni> mikk36: you would like your end result to be a phone number you can call and then the computer hard resets? 23:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause> bow to the mighty knowledge of the Bjarni! ;) 23:35:09 <Bjarni> mikk36: I know of a device that can turn power on and off when it receives SMS messages 23:35:19 <Bjarni> I just don't know where to get it 23:36:00 <pv2b> are you trying to find some way to remote-power-cycle equipment using a phone line? 23:36:09 <Maedhros> RichK67: have you got the screenie of the graphical glitch around? 23:36:31 <Maedhros> i've noticed that the lights don't flash properly in MiniIN, but they work fine in trunk with the same grf... 23:36:33 <kjetil> I guess you could use the MBUS of a old nokia pone 23:36:36 <kjetil> phone 23:36:41 <pv2b> you can get off-the-shelf stuff which either passes power or not to a normal 230 V device, and is controlled by DTMF codes when dialing it 23:36:55 <pv2b> why don't you get yourself one of those? 23:37:04 <Bjarni> pv2b: he wants to call his windows computer to hard reset it each time it crashes :p 23:37:16 <pv2b> Bjarni: he can do that if he gets one of those. 23:37:22 <mikk36> i just want to reset my server by gsm 23:37:37 <mikk36> and do it the cheapest way 23:37:47 <pv2b> the absolute cheapest way is just to wire up a relay. 23:37:56 <mikk36> yes 23:38:07 <Bjarni> mikk36: you can hire a Chinese and then call him whenever he have to press the reset button 23:38:16 <mikk36> lol,sure 23:38:37 *** LadyHawk [i=here@82-47-23-153.cable.ubr02.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:38:39 <mikk36> maybe he gets bored and starts playing with the reset button ? 23:38:44 <kjetil> I guess you can hook it up to a relay that is driven buy the phone vibration system 23:38:57 <Bjarni> mikk36: good point 23:39:02 <Bjarni> hire a Japanese instead 23:39:06 <mikk36> kjetil, then i'd ave to get a phone that still vibrates when plugged to the charger 23:39:17 <RichK67> Maedhros: screenie posted 23:39:17 <pv2b> just hook it up with the relay control coil across the phone line 23:39:26 <pv2b> and with the reset line across the breaking line 23:39:27 <Bjarni> they got high loyalty 23:39:30 <kjetil> pv2b: gsm, not landline 23:39:30 <mikk36> phone line ? 23:39:55 <pv2b> kjetil: oh... okay. 23:40:01 <mikk36> it'd be good to be driven by LED power 23:40:04 <kjetil> Bjarni: He would probably commit ritual suicide if he misses a call 23:40:05 <Sacro> RichK67: screenie? 23:40:05 <pv2b> kjetil: you know arabic? 23:40:10 <RichK67> the lights seem to flash ok on mine... what should it look like 23:40:16 <kjetil> pv2b: no :/ 23:40:16 <pv2b> kjetil: google for some terrorist sites 23:40:20 <RichK67> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=478272#478272 23:40:21 <kjetil> hahah 23:40:21 <Bjarni> kjetil: so... you just hire a new one 23:40:24 <pv2b> kjetil: they've been blowing up bombs with mobile phones for ages 23:40:34 <Bjarni> the old one broke and needed replacement :p 23:40:38 <kjetil> Bjarni: but the server would be all bloody and stuff 23:40:41 <pv2b> kjetil: it's bound to be just a simple modificaction of that type of circuit 23:40:51 <kjetil> yeah, probably 23:40:56 *** kjetil is now known as Kjetil 23:40:57 <Bjarni> kjetil: so you start by making the replacement clean the computer 23:41:06 <Kjetil> hahah 23:41:19 <pv2b> Kjetil: do you care about your old phone or not? 23:41:31 <Sacro> RichK67: i dont see that as being a glitch 23:41:33 *** magus_x [n=magus@201-11-215-13.pltce7002.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:41:40 <Sacro> IRL you dont see a junction on a level crossing 23:41:54 <pv2b> Kjetil: in other words, is it okay to take it apart? 23:41:59 <Kjetil> ask mikk36 23:42:02 <RichK67> true - so does the tile need a fence along that side? 23:42:03 <Bjarni> Sacro: you do, but they are pretty rare 23:42:12 <Kjetil> it's his problem :) 23:42:19 <mikk36> i don't care about the looks of the phone 23:42:31 <mikk36> i've already killed one phone by testing :P 23:42:36 <mikk36> didn't boot up any more 23:42:42 <Kjetil> how about an optocoupler hooked up to the phone 23:42:53 <pv2b> mikk36: then you should just be able to take out the vibrator motor, hook that up to drive a relay, and conect that over the reset line 23:43:14 <pv2b> if it can drive a motor, it can probably short a relay :-) 23:43:16 <mikk36> <mikk36> kjetil, then i'd ave to get a phone that still vibrates when plugged to the charger 23:43:27 <RichK67> hows about use the phone to ring someone who goes and presses the button ;) 23:43:29 <pv2b> mikk36: is it a siemens phone? 23:43:53 <mikk36> currently i have a spare nokia 6150, without vibra at all 23:44:06 <mikk36> RichK67, i can visit the server twice a month for free 23:44:15 <Bjarni> <RichK67> hows about use the phone to ring someone who goes and presses the button ;) <-- I already said he can hire an Asian, but he decided on electronics for some reason 23:44:15 <mikk36> server housing u know 23:44:19 <pv2b> mikk36: right. what you could do in that case would be to rip out the ring speaker 23:44:44 <Bjarni> ahh 23:44:51 <Bjarni> pv2b actually got a good idea 23:44:54 <mikk36> hmm... and could u show me which relay i should buy ? 23:45:09 <Bjarni> you would need to amplify that signal though 23:45:15 <pv2b> mikk36: rectify the speaker current, smooth it, and hook up a transistor or something which pulls it to ground when it rings 23:45:29 <smeding> quick question - how do i enable music again 23:45:32 <pv2b> Bjarni: not neccessarilly amplify it -- the phone already sends out an amplified signal to the speaker 23:45:40 <smeding> i think they were additional files but i don't know which ones 23:45:47 <pv2b> Bjarni: should be more than enough to pull the reset pin to ground imo 23:46:02 <Kjetil> the speaker signal will never be able to drive a relay 23:46:02 <Bjarni> that's possible 23:46:12 * Sacro considers looking at the cargo packets branch 23:46:19 <pv2b> Kjetil: not a relay, no, but you can pull the reset pin directly 23:46:29 <Kjetil> ah 23:46:34 <Bjarni> I actually don't know the effect usage in the speaker of a mobile phone 23:46:36 <pv2b> Kjetil: the relay was a great idea when we were still considering ring voltage 23:47:09 <pv2b> though, you may have some trouble with that idea. 23:47:13 <Sacro> ring voltage here is 50V 23:47:33 <pv2b> for example, what happens if the charger hops out? 23:47:37 <Sacro> ive considered phoning myself up and charging my mobile from it 23:47:55 * Kjetil would probably done something more fancy like a mbus interface 23:47:57 <pv2b> if it's like my ericsson phone, it'll do a "plong" when it's disconnected, which, if you're not careful, will reset your comptuer 23:48:16 <pv2b> though those types of tones are usually more quiet, and with a well set potentiometer, you should be able to avoid that 23:48:21 <Bjarni> Sacro: so in order to save on the power bill, you will steal power from the phone company? 23:48:29 <Bjarni> that idea fits you somehow 23:48:37 <Maedhros> RichK67: what sort of fencing do you have in mind? and wouldn't it look out of place next to road tiles without fences? 23:48:53 <pv2b> Sacro: one problem with that idea. how will you call yourself? 23:48:56 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes 23:49:13 <Sacro> pv2b: mobile calls landline which charges mobile 23:49:23 <Sacro> you just have to do it before it dies 23:49:33 <pv2b> Sacro: which means the mobile pulls more current, and it does it all the time while charging 23:49:58 <Kjetil> mikk36: isn't there a "call" led on the 6510 ? 23:50:04 <pv2b> Sacro: which kinda breaks your power budget 23:50:05 <mikk36> call led ? 23:50:27 <Kjetil> it lights up when there is an incomming call 23:50:40 <mikk36> http://www.mport.ru/catalog_foto/phone/nokia_6150_1.jpg 23:50:46 <Sacro> pv2b: stop with your logic 23:50:52 <mikk36> the whole phone lights up 23:50:59 <Kjetil> http://www.panuworld.net/nuukiaworld/hardware/light/software.htm 23:51:02 <pv2b> i just had an idea, if you don't want to have to break your phone 23:51:13 <Born_Acorn> Maedhros, wouldn't tg1r.grf sprite numbers 1301-1302 come to mind? (being the railway fences) 23:51:31 <pv2b> hook up a transistor with the collector and emitter across your reset pin, and the base pin on the microphone (which is also grounded in the computer) 23:51:37 <pv2b> on a microphone 23:51:47 <mikk36> ? 23:52:06 <Born_Acorn> It would meet existing railway fences and show it's a "no go zone" 23:52:12 <pv2b> when there's a loud noise, there'll be a signal which is amplified by the transistor, which in turn resets your comptuer 23:52:27 <mikk36> there is a lot of loud noise in the server room :P 23:52:33 <mikk36> my pc isn't the only one there 23:52:46 * Maedhros looks 23:52:48 <RichK67> Maedhros: as Born_Acorn says... 23:52:52 <pv2b> mikk36: yes, so tape the microphone directly to the speaker of the phone and make it *very* insensitive 23:52:58 <Bjarni> mikk36: I got a software solution for you 23:53:00 <Sacro> i still like the idea of calling a guy to do it manually 23:53:02 <Bjarni> install linux ;) 23:53:08 <mikk36> can't :P 23:53:11 <Sacro> or as Bjarni suggests... ssh 23:53:19 <mikk36> ssh? 23:53:29 <Sacro> mikk36: ssh 23:53:32 <mikk36> i need it to work when everything else fails 23:53:38 <Sacro> Linux :) 23:53:40 <mikk36> just a nice reset 23:54:13 <mikk36> pv2b, i think i'd prefer the ringer thingie 23:54:20 <Bjarni> I wonder.... you got the server and wants the power to reset it, yet you can't install linux on it? 23:54:25 <pv2b> that, or hook it up to the backlight of the phone 23:54:40 <pv2b> the backlight lights up when you ring it, right? 23:54:45 <mikk36> yes 23:54:51 <RichK67> Maedhros: of course, rail in arctic above snowline doesnt have fences... ah! the joys of the final few problems :) 23:54:52 <Kjetil> *goes in his spare parts box and gets two cellphones* 23:55:27 <Kjetil> and it also lights up if someone touches it ? 23:56:47 <pv2b> mikk36: oooh ooh! and another idea 23:56:52 <pv2b> mikk36: without taking apart the cell phone 23:57:04 <pv2b> mikk36: tape a photocell to the display 23:57:27 <pv2b> mikk36: when the display lights up, the photocell will detect light, and your circuit will have the computer reset 23:57:44 <magus_> lol 23:57:51 <pv2b> mikk36: remember to place the cell phone in a metal box or something though, so other ambient light fluctuations won't kill it 23:58:04 <pv2b> err 23:58:07 <pv2b> not in a metal box 23:58:09 <magus_> nice idea 23:58:10 <pv2b> that'll kill your signal 23:58:12 <pv2b> cardboard box :-) 23:58:22 <mikk36> pv2b, could u please show me the parts needed now ? 23:58:22 <mikk36> http://www.tevalo.ee/cgi-bin/web_store.cgi?lng=eng