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00:00:06 <Sacro> JohnUK89: though i start uni in 3 days 00:00:16 <Sacro> :o 3 DAYS, ARRRRGHH, BEST GET READY 00:00:20 <JohnUK89> Sacro, nice one :) 00:00:51 <JohnUK89> Hope all goes well :) 00:01:07 <Belugas_Gone> congratulations, Sacro :) 00:01:09 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 00:01:10 <JohnUK89> Anyway, I'm gone 00:01:23 <JohnUK89> Night all :) 00:01:26 <Belugas> bye 00:01:27 <mikk36> nigt 00:01:29 <Sacro> Belugas: thanks 00:01:29 <mikk36> night* 00:01:33 <Sacro> JohnUK89: night 00:01:36 *** JohnUK89 is now known as JohnUK89Bed 00:01:51 <mikk36> what did u accomplish, Sacro ? 00:01:57 <JohnUK89Bed> Sacro, mikk36, Belugas, night :) 00:02:04 <Sacro> mikk36: what do you mean? 00:02:16 <mikk36> belugas congratulating u 00:02:28 <Sacro> mikk36: ahh, ive got myself into University 00:02:34 <mikk36> oh, hehe, nice :) 00:02:36 <mikk36> gj :) 00:02:46 <mikk36> so what r u learning now ? 00:03:00 <Sacro> Computer Science :D 00:03:11 <mikk36> on what specialty ? 00:03:21 <mikk36> hardware/electronics ? 00:03:40 <Sacro> errr.... 00:03:47 <Belugas> english? 00:03:49 <mikk36> or just main stuff from all ? 00:03:54 <Sacro> just main stuff 00:04:02 <Sacro> Belugas: its barely passable :p 00:04:10 <Belugas> hehehe 00:04:24 *** Rens2EveOnline [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 00:18:04 <Belugas> well, at least, Sacro, you will keep on learning :) and that is a really good thing 00:19:58 <Sacro> Belugas: yes, hope so 00:22:25 <Belugas> you have my best wishes of success, if ever that may help you :) 00:22:32 <Sacro> Belugas: thanks :) 00:28:13 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53588af9.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:30:41 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 00:33:58 *** Guest56 [Gono@N939P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:38:52 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39:32 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N875P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 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Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:16:15 <Bjarni> Sacro: http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/depot_list.diff <-- did you ever get as far as testing this patch? 10:16:23 <Sacro> Bjarni: ah, no 10:16:34 <Bjarni> redownload it as I updated it 10:16:41 *** Ammler [~Ammler@225.116.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:17:05 <Bjarni> Darkvater talked about memory fragmentation so I modified it to prevent such an issue 10:17:06 <Sacro> Bjarni: with HEAD? 10:17:10 <Bjarni> yeah 10:17:49 <Bjarni> it's a few revisions old, but it should be free of conflicts 10:18:18 <Sacro> hmm, we'll see 10:18:43 <Bjarni> the only result the user should see is that drawing depot windows should now be twice as fast 10:19:03 <Bjarni> any other differences would be bugs 10:20:17 <Sacro> it patched ok, just compiling now 10:20:50 <Bjarni> also I'm looking for a savegame with close to the limit of vehicles (64k) because in theory the speed boost should be greater if the game contains more vehicles 10:21:11 <Sacro> hmm, ive never had one that high 10:21:22 <Bjarni> but the biggest savegame I got contains 7k vehicles 10:21:44 <Bjarni> each unit in a train is a vehicle and planes are two vehicles and helicopters are 3 10:22:00 <Sacro> hmm, then the nightly one that me and richk did might have a lot 10:22:04 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D01D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:22:17 <Bjarni> so 10 trains of one engine and 9 wagons would actually be 100 vehicles 10:23:17 <Sacro> yeah, thats true 10:23:19 <Sacro> it goes up quickly 10:27:06 <Sacro> genworld_gui.o: In function `GenerateLandscapeWndProc': 10:27:06 <Sacro> genworld_gui.c:(.text+0xb9a): undefined reference to `GetStringBoundingBox' 10:27:06 <Sacro> misc_gui.o: In function `GuiShowTooltips': 10:27:06 <Sacro> misc_gui.c:(.text+0xf61): undefined reference to `GetStringBoundingBox' 10:27:06 <Sacro> misc_gui.o: In function `CheatsWndProc': 10:27:08 <Sacro> misc_gui.c:(.text+0x2160): undefined reference to `GetStringBoundingBox' 10:27:09 <Sacro> players.o: In function `DoStartupNewPlayer': 10:27:11 <Sacro> players.c:(.text+0x114c): undefined reference to `GetStringBoundingBox' 10:27:13 <Sacro> players.o: In function `OnTick_Players': 10:27:15 <Sacro> players.c:(.text+0x21c1): undefined reference to `GetStringBoundingBox' 10:27:19 <Sacro> town_cmd.o:town_cmd.c:(.text+0xbd7): more undefined references to `GetStringBoundingBox' follow 10:27:21 <Bjarni> o_O 10:27:21 <Sacro> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 10:27:23 <Sacro> make: *** [openttd] Error 1 10:27:25 * Sacro hides 10:27:40 <Bjarni> did you patch a clean source? 10:27:46 <Sacro> yep 10:27:51 <Bjarni> I didn't touch genworld_gui.c 10:28:05 <Sacro> thats what i thought 10:28:10 <Bjarni> actually I didn't touch any of those functions 10:28:22 <Sacro> yep, trunk is borked 10:28:39 <Sacro> ill just compile the clean source 10:29:15 <Bjarni> try make clean 10:29:22 <Bjarni> because it works just fine here 10:29:33 <Sacro> well i did an svn diff in the trunk folder and it came back fine 10:30:39 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-20-186.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 10:31:34 <Bjarni> at one time I added an error string to a command when it failed and compiled. It failed to show up 10:31:44 <Bjarni> make clean; make made it show up 10:31:51 <Sacro> then you need an error error :p 10:32:16 <Bjarni> sometimes (thought rarely) you need to use make clean to start all over 10:32:21 <Bjarni> or strange stuff can happen 10:32:49 <Sacro> yeah, that was wierd 10:40:15 <Sacro> Bjarni: its worked now 10:41:30 <Sacro> whoo, ive got a 64*64 map, with no industries and 1 village of 26 pop 10:49:40 <Bjarni> actually try to load savegames and see if the depots displays what you expect 10:50:02 <Bjarni> I can make small maps and get the empty lists... that's not the tricky testing ;) 10:54:56 <Sacro> Your sample.cat file is corrupted or missing! :p 10:54:59 <Sacro> :o even 10:55:03 <Sacro> it was working 5 mins ago 10:55:07 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6B75.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:55:37 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56:58 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 10:57:24 <Bjarni> Sacro: try not to corrupt your files XD 10:57:32 <Sacro> i was in the wrong folder 10:57:39 <Bjarni> ... 10:57:59 <Sacro> seems to be working fine 10:59:25 <Bjarni> hahaha. Some guy found a naked woman with google earth and wrote about it online and that started a debate if she was just sunbathing or masturbating in her backyard 10:59:45 <Bjarni> and Dutch TV picked up that story and tried to find that woman to talk to her about it 11:00:02 <Bjarni> Sacro: reading newspapers can be interesting 11:00:49 <Sacro> saw it yesterday... 11:01:26 <Bjarni> damn googlesightseeing.com is down or overloaded 11:01:29 <Sacro> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/21/google_sunbather/ 11:08:41 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:38 <Bjarni> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/06/greenwich_meridian/ <- ROFL 11:11:57 <Sacro> hehe 11:14:37 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:32 *** HeXXler_ [~openttd@p54B4F52F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 11:17:34 * Bjarni notes that Sacro failed to find any bugs 11:17:42 <Bjarni> which is a good thing 11:22:26 <Sacro> yes 11:36:30 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:43:23 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:36 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:04:45 *** Spoco [~Spoco@hoas-fe13dd00-15.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:05:04 *** Spoco [Spoco@hoas-fe10dd00-131.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:10:53 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 12:17:35 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D685.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:18:37 *** Sacro [~ben@83.100.229.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:19:00 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:44 *** Spoco- [Spoco@hoas-fe10dd00-131.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:19:51 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 12:20:49 *** TinoDidri [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 12:20:49 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20:52 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 12:21:15 *** Spoco [Spoco@hoas-fe10dd00-131.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:44 *** Spoco [Spoco@hoas-fe10dd00-131.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:22:53 *** Spoco [Spoco@hoas-fe10dd00-131.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 12:23:22 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37268.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 12:23:27 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37268.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:01 *** Spoco [~Spoco@hoas-fe10dd00-131.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:27:45 *** Spoco- [Spoco@hoas-fe10dd00-131.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:31:27 *** Spoco- [Spoco@hoas-fe10dd00-131.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:34:02 *** Spoco [~Spoco@hoas-fe10dd00-131.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49:30 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-20-186.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:49:44 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:51:12 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: sleep?] 12:52:40 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-20-186.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 12:56:48 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:56:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:01:49 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53588af9.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:12:14 <ln-> a serious accident on the Emsland test track?! 13:15:31 <pumpkin> yes. a "building vehicle" was standing on the track while another regular train made a high-speed test. 13:22:01 <ln-> that's not a good thing. 13:22:41 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 13:22:48 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:23:25 <tbf> well, that accident shows why you shall now build unmanned trains :-/ 13:23:35 <tbf> stupid technocrats 13:24:52 <tbf> some driver at least would have been able to reduce speed before the crash 13:25:16 * tbf wonders if this accident is the end of the transrapid project 13:26:06 <ln-> was it unmanned? 13:26:31 <pumpkin> i guess that train (>250 km/h ?) would not stop even if sb had breaked ... btw the train is still on the track. It is missing some parts of the first wagons.... 5 people dead so i guess it was manned. 13:26:36 <tbf> ln-: yup. passengers but no driver 13:26:59 <tbf> pumpkin: well, but a crash at 100 km/h always is better than a crash at 250 13:27:37 <pumpkin> but how many km does that monster need to get from top-speed to 100 ? 13:29:10 <Serriaromeo> in theory it could drop from 250 km/h to full stop nearly instantly, problem is, passangers and the equipment most likely will nto surive that sudden decleartion 13:32:55 <tbf> Serriaromeo: well, if you get sufficient energy into the magnetic coils 13:33:03 <tbf> see, the train has some weight 13:33:51 <Serriaromeo> install rockets to use for braking, that will help slow it down even faster 13:34:59 <pumpkin> if you justed switched off everthing and made the train "land" on the track ? You donŽt get much more friction. 13:35:00 <tbf> 3,5 km for stopping from 430 km/h accordingly to n-tv 13:35:55 <pumpkin> tbf: with or w/o people inside surviving ? 13:36:45 *** e1ko [~L@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 13:41:01 <tbf> pumpkin: with people surviving i guess 13:42:47 <tbf> pumpkin: it's just 5.4 g 13:43:17 <pumpkin> 5.4 is all nice and cool, depending on the direction of your seat. 13:49:03 <tbf> bah... cannot calc.... 13:49:16 <tbf> it just are 4 m/s² = 0.5 g 13:52:38 <tbf> hmm.... 3500 km for breaking and a mimimum curve radius of 4 km.... 13:53:02 <tbf> -> guess a human driver might have reduced injury dramatically 13:54:23 <pumpkin> i think some human thinking and removing the obstacle would have been best. 13:56:03 <Born_Acorn> (14:25:15) * tbf wonders if this accident is the end of the transrapid project 13:56:09 <Born_Acorn> It was already at an end. 13:56:13 <Born_Acorn> Lack of funding. 13:56:31 <Born_Acorn> This has just probably put the nail in the coffin. 13:56:40 <tbf> Born_Acorn: yup 13:57:13 <Born_Acorn> However, there are many countries still interested in getting a Transrapid Maglev system. 13:59:46 *** Tron_ [MihuNygI@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:04:22 <cantares> hmm 14:06:02 <ln-> Born_Acorn: there is an on-going project to build a route between Munich and Munich airport. 14:11:44 <pumpkin> and there is one line in china, shanghai i think. 14:14:18 <tbf> ln-: considering how hysterical germans are those days the airport project will be canceled 14:14:49 <ln-> possible, but only speculation. 14:21:15 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:21:21 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:21:49 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2EveOnline 14:27:35 *** canta__ [cyrus@p5087641A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:29:47 <Born_Acorn> ln-, in Germany, there are always on-going projects to build maglevs between X and Y. 14:29:59 <Born_Acorn> They never materialise. 14:31:02 <canta__> to much political scumm in germany.. 14:32:38 *** JoeConyers [~Joe@87.127.60.242] has joined #openttd 14:34:31 *** cantares [cyrus@p508761FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:31 *** canta__ is now known as cantares 14:35:36 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176120121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:35:40 <ln-> Born_Acorn: if you say so. 14:36:44 <Born_Acorn> They planned one between Berlin and Hamburg, that one was cancelled too. 14:36:52 <ln-> i know. 14:37:05 <ln-> but as far as i know, the Munich project has not been cancelled. 14:37:48 <pumpkin> thatŽs in bayern, it will take a long time before anything happens down there. 14:38:29 <ln-> when i visited Munich airport last month, there was a maglev wagon with information about the project. 14:39:47 <pumpkin> in german: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/78556 14:46:14 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37268.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 15:11:44 *** Antari [SonEvoUser@87.110.41.158] has joined #openttd 15:11:53 <Antari> Hello 15:14:24 <Kjetil> GTFO ! 15:15:36 <hylje> or tits 15:24:24 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53588af9.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:24:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 15:24:33 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:25:39 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:32:41 <Gonozal_VIII> is there a nice way to get trains to use the last free platform instead of the first one? 15:33:50 <Bjarni> you mean all the platforms are free, but you want them to take the longest path to a platform? 15:34:04 <Gonozal_VIII> yep 15:34:29 <Bjarni> not possible 15:34:35 <Bjarni> and... why? :) 15:35:06 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't make much sense in a normal station but it does, when there are parallel pbs entry lines 15:36:02 <Gonozal_VIII> if they use the first platform there, they cross all the others 15:36:37 *** tbf [~mathias@ip-80-226-156-62.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: taschenorakel resigns] 15:36:40 <Bjarni> ahh 15:36:45 <Bjarni> so it's a PBS thing 15:36:56 <Bjarni> newsbreak: PBS is not in the trunk ;) 15:37:08 *** JoeConyers [~Joe@87.127.60.242] has quit [] 15:37:13 <Gonozal_VIII> its a 40 platform station with 8 lines entering and realy heavy traffic 15:37:33 <glx> newsbreak2: PBS is known too be half broken 15:38:02 <Gonozal_VIII> i know, but it would work just fine in that situation 15:39:12 <glx> I hope it's not a terminal station 15:39:50 <glx> I mean you are using one-way platforms 15:40:12 <Gonozal_VIII> very large and effective roro unloading station for a factory that produces something around 20k crates of goods a month 15:41:34 <Gonozal_VIII> could potentially be more effective with pbs, already tested it, but the fact that the trains then always use the first free platform makes it useless 15:44:15 <Gonozal_VIII> so no way to tell the trains to prefer certain platforms? 15:46:53 <glx> use waypoints but it's not a good solution either 15:47:35 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 15:47:49 <pumpkin> splitt the inputs: first 2 lines go to the first 4 platforms, next 2 to ... ? 15:50:40 <Gonozal_VIII> each line has 5 platforms now, but sometimes that's not enough and would be good if that line could then use some other platforms 15:54:19 <Serriaromeo> how many input lines are you using? 15:54:38 <Gonozal_VIII> 8 15:55:52 <Serriaromeo> so a 40 track station, me let me load up my test game and see if i can come up with an idea 15:56:15 <Gonozal_VIII> thanks :-) 16:07:36 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 16:09:11 *** Ben_123 [~Ben_Robbi@82.152.204.219] has quit [] 16:12:49 *** jez [dugout@client-82-2-58-29.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 16:13:59 <jez> Does anybody know whether Random() returns a random 32 bit integer, or is it limited to a certain range? 16:14:04 <jez> I'm wondering whether I actually want to use it 16:14:11 <jez> Doesn't seem to be documented. 16:16:04 <glx> Random() just returns a random 32 bit value 16:16:17 *** Serriaromeo_ [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 16:16:34 <jez> then why does the random range macro do... 16:16:34 <jez> return GB(Random(), 0, 16) * max >> 16; 16:16:51 <jez> wouldn't there be a much higher chance of a result of 0 than anything else? 16:17:54 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 16:17:59 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-203-152.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:18:07 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 16:18:23 <glx> this returns 16 bits using lower 16 bits of Random() return 16:18:39 <jez> yeah 16:18:45 <jez> but it's meant to limit it to 'max' 16:18:50 <jez> i dont understand how it does that 16:19:20 <jez> in fact if you pass it 1, it will always return 0 16:19:40 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19:52 <jez> hmm 16:19:58 <jez> i suppose that needs to be 1 higher than the max 16:20:01 <glx> yes because 16bits >> 16 == 0 16:23:27 <jez> i think it should be 16:23:46 <jez> return GB(Random(), 0, 16) * (max+1) >> 16; 16:24:45 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 16:27:03 *** Antari [SonEvoUser@87.110.41.158] has quit [Quit: Sonic-Evolution pIRC <http://www.sonic-evolution.byethost15.com>] 16:34:33 *** Guest56 [Gono@N954P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:37:43 <Sacro> !seen john* 16:37:44 <_42_> Sacro, I found 22 matches to your query. These are the 5 most recent ones: JohnK, JohnUK89Bed, JohnUK89, JohnUK89|SixthForm, john__. JohnK (~john@adsl-d40.87-197-222.t-com.sk) was last seen joining #openttdcoop 2 hours 15 minutes ago (22.09. 14:22). JohnK is still there. 16:37:58 <Sacro> !seen johnUK* 16:37:58 <_42_> Sacro, I found 14 matches to your query. These are the 5 most recent ones: JohnUK89Bed, JohnUK89, JohnUK89|SixthForm, JohnUK89Phone1, JohnUK89|Bed. JohnUK89Bed (~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com) was last seen quitting #openttd 12 hours 46 minutes ago (22.09. 03:51) stating "" after spending 4 hours 26 minutes there. 16:41:04 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N710P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:52 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 16:52:04 <Hagbard_> Can you use custom port on networkplay? using latest nightly 16:52:04 <peter1138> jez: hmm 16:52:10 <peter1138> Hagbard_: yes 16:52:18 <Hagbard_> peter1138: Thanks =) 16:52:25 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-20-186.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:52:33 <peter1138> server_port in the config 16:53:07 <Hagbard_> kk 16:53:13 <Hagbard_> And the clients do? 16:55:55 <peter1138> connect to whatever the server is... 16:56:13 <glx> ip:port when adding server on clients using "add" button (but not needed if the server is in servers.openttd.org) 16:57:08 <Hagbard_> glx: No it's not... Private server =) 17:01:40 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: 1wk 4days] 17:17:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host117-234-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:18:12 <Wolf01> yo 17:25:43 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 17:30:12 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_AfK 17:30:58 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:31:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> <jez> in fact if you pass it 1, it will always return 0 <- that is because it returns 0 <= x < max 17:32:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> and there is only one integer in the interval [0,1) 17:32:48 <Sacro> shouldnt it be [0,1] 17:32:52 *** jez [dugout@client-82-2-58-29.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, why? 17:33:21 <Sacro> just curious 17:33:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> all randoms i know do it like that 17:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> like the pascal random... if you call Random; it returns a float in [0,1) and if you call Random(N) it returns an integer in [0,N) 17:34:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> so N denotes the number of possible results 17:35:55 <Sacro> hmm, true, even Rand# on calculators is [0,1) 17:37:43 <Wolf01> uhm.. maglev accident in germany? 17:37:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah... 17:47:24 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 17:48:06 *** Serriaromeo_ [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [] 17:52:31 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-213-166-56-136.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 18:13:19 *** Ammler [~Ammler@78.119.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 18:21:34 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:25:49 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:27:57 *** Hagbard_2 [~hagbardde@90-224-38-20-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:35:09 *** Hagbard_ [~hagbardde@90-224-38-20-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:49 *** jez [viewsonic@client-82-3-74-152.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:01 <jez> Benzodiazepines 18:39:28 <Sacro> thats not a real word 18:39:29 <jez> the overactivity of the brain is dulled, and everything, tastes, sounds, the world... seems better 18:40:03 <jez> goodo goodo 18:40:23 <jez> i had to take some to calm me down 18:40:37 <jez> i was incandescent after hearing BT's new fucking line installation price 18:40:39 <jez> £125!!!! 18:40:47 <Sacro> :o ouch 18:40:52 <jez> it used to be £75 2 years ago, until those idiots OFCOM deregulated 18:40:53 <jez> sigh 18:40:53 * Sacro is glad we dont use BT at work 18:41:04 <Sacro> actually... KC are probably just as bad 18:41:09 <jez> yeah. i think im gonna go to ntl now. crap net access but it's only for a yeaer 18:41:15 <jez> damned if im playing £125 for a new line 18:44:25 <Sacro> hmm 18:44:26 <jez> so 18:44:30 <jez> now i need something to do 18:44:35 <jez> feeling like this, i cant work further on my patch 18:44:36 <jez> :-) 18:45:25 <Sacro> hmm, net is being an arse again 18:45:27 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 18:45:27 <Sacro> !logs 18:45:39 <Sacro> thats a bit laggy 18:46:14 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-203-152.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:49:30 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:54:03 *** mrzero [ole@ghybel384.grm.hia.no] has joined #openttd 19:02:26 *** nfc [~nfc@dsl-hvkgw1-fe65fa00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:20:15 *** mrzero [ole@ghybel384.grm.hia.no] has quit [] 19:20:55 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:24:39 *** nfc [~nfc@dsl-hvkgw1-fe65fa00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:27:42 <ln-> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4190938042466443086 19:31:14 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:31:14 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-82-93.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:36:00 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:53 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-134-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:33 <Zavior> owned 19:44:53 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-174-041.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:03 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 19:53:33 <Bjarni> well, she should not have stopped him. People should not walk around hitting other people on the streets 19:53:41 <Bjarni> or path or whatever that is 19:54:40 <hylje> why 19:55:03 *** FrankBA_ [debian-tor@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:32 <jez> erm 19:55:34 <jez> whatever 19:55:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... konqueror does not like google video... 19:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> or other way round 19:56:37 <jez> seen the 9/11 cover up video on there? 19:56:57 <jez> it has rather cemented my view that something, i dunno what, is being covered up about 9/11 19:57:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> hardly, if i cannot view anything ;) 19:57:14 <jez> but, i mean, all those stock puts before 9/11? 19:57:17 <jez> why would they happen? 19:57:28 <hylje> random 19:57:35 <hylje> the stock was opened around then? 19:58:00 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 19:59:59 <jez> opened? 20:00:12 <hylje> stock exchange 20:00:18 <jez> and all the testimony of many bangs/explosionas 20:00:22 <jez> every 15/20 minutes 20:00:29 <jez> before each tower came down 20:00:35 <hylje> :o 20:00:41 <jez> and the lack of a united 93 plane at its crash site 20:00:49 <jez> and the lack of any decent evidence at the Pentagon 20:00:53 <jez> all very suspicious 20:02:09 <jez> here's a question: why were all survellience tapes from neighbouring gas stations, etc, confisgated by the FBI very quickly? 20:02:10 <jez> hmm? 20:02:14 <jez> they havent released them 20:02:19 <jez> what are they hiding? 20:02:41 <hylje> dunno lol 20:02:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> can i have my vote against any conspiricy theories in here? 20:03:03 <FrankBA_> sure. and some us secret u.s. agency is crossing humans and almond-eyed aliens in area 51... 20:03:21 <FrankBA_> oh, and the earth is flat 20:03:34 <jez> FrankBA_: um, slightly different levels of evidence for those 20:03:43 <jez> there is significant evidence of coverups about 9/11 20:03:59 <jez> there is much less evidence about most of the traditional 'crackpot conspiracy theories' 20:04:14 <jez> LOTS of evidence is being withheld here 20:04:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> oh no... the earth is a sphere... but on the inside... look at your shoes... they are always worst at the front and at the back 20:04:22 <jez> that, to my mind, signifies some VERY suspicious 20:05:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> but really... what reason would they have to release those videos? 20:05:23 <jez> if you dont think the US govt withholding evidence about the most important event to hit the US in a long time isn't a big deal, i dunno, go watch fox news or something 20:05:30 <jez> just dont try to enter any rational debate 20:05:52 <FrankBA_> the point is: 20:06:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> conspiracy debates are never rational 20:06:15 <jez> Eddi|zuHause3: the reason they would have is to finally prove that an aircraft did hit the pentagon? 20:06:18 <FrankBA_> i do no have any first-hand knowledge. everything is filtered by media. 20:06:21 <jez> right now, we have no such evidence 20:06:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Tron] by ChanServ 20:06:46 *** jez was kicked from #openttd by Tron [go to #conspiracy] 20:06:46 *** jez [viewsonic@client-82-3-74-152.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:05 <FrankBA_> ok, what i came here for is this: is the path-based-signalling patch still being maintained somewhere? 20:08:29 <Bjarni> I think the plan is to start over and base it on YAPF instead 20:08:40 <glx> FrankBA_: it'a available on miniin but not maintained 20:08:57 <Bjarni> so nobody bothers to code on the old one 20:09:01 <FrankBA_> what is miniin? 20:09:11 <jez> what does YAPF stand for? 20:09:17 <hylje> yet another path finder 20:09:19 <Bjarni> Yet Another Path Finder 20:09:24 <jez> ah heh 20:09:37 <glx> miniin is a nightly with many patches appiled 20:09:37 <izhirahider> yet another pathetic failure :) 20:09:51 <Bjarni> izhirahider: actually it works 20:09:59 <jez> does YAPF have a problem with 90 degree turns? 20:10:07 <jez> coz i kinda like them and dont like to see them disabled 20:10:33 <glx> jez: uses sames settings as NPF + some others 20:10:38 <Bjarni> then turn "disable 90° turns" off in the patch settings 20:10:46 <jez> hmm 20:10:54 <jez> i wish that patch didnt even exist 20:11:00 <jez> i hate network games where they're disables 20:13:05 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:11 <hylje> but the rest of us like some realism 20:13:46 <jez> if those blocks represent a large enough area, 90 degree turns are possible 20:13:57 <jez> you just need a track with a sharp curve 20:15:05 <hylje> according to some calculations, one block is around thousand kilometers? 20:17:45 <jez> squared? 20:17:56 <jez> so 100x100 20:18:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> 100 squared is 10000 20:19:13 <jez> 31.6x31.6 20:22:04 <jez> so......... 20:22:20 <jez> in 30km, you cant turn the track 90 degrees> 20:22:24 <jez> i bet you can 20:23:46 *** jez [viewsonic@client-82-3-74-152.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [] 20:27:35 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.200.55] has joined #openttd 20:33:50 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.200.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:37 <SimonRC> for those of you who want to argue about turning radiuses: 54.965deg N, 1.61deg W 20:41:53 <SimonRC> Newcastle-upon-tyne railway station an associated tracks 20:42:10 <SimonRC> It's crazy, and have loads of 90-degree turns 20:42:16 <SimonRC> like a noob station 20:44:47 <hylje> SimonRC: google it for us 20:44:50 <hylje> liek. maps. 20:48:31 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 20:50:56 <SimonRC> http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=54.965,-1.61&z=15 20:51:15 <SimonRC> There. Crazy railway. 20:55:43 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176120107.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:57:47 <Bjarni> nahh... it looks like radius 150 m 20:57:51 <Bjarni> that's not so bad 20:58:21 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176120121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:23 <Bjarni> the limit is around 100 m 20:58:45 <Bjarni> then you need to be aware that you might get problems in moving 3 axle bogies though the curve 20:59:24 <Bjarni> actually the limit is around 90 m 20:59:51 * Bjarni knows of locomotives, that can handle radius 90, but not 80 21:00:33 <Bjarni> 150 is so much more... I would not mind driving though them at say 40 21:00:42 <Bjarni> and it's a station. It's not meant for high speed trains 21:02:25 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:03:33 <Bjarni> <SimonRC> There. Crazy railway. <-- it looks perfectly sane to me. It's tricky to make it better at the given space. If it should have been built differently, a whole lot of houses would have to be demolished 21:04:04 <Bjarni> think before calling something/somebody crazy. It might bounce off and stick to you :P 21:04:33 * Bjarni imagines that SimonRC will not say anything else tonight 21:04:55 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-213-166-56-136.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:05:42 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:06:53 <Bjarni> UserErr0r... sounds like the ideal person to test if patches are idiot proof :) 21:08:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:08:45 <Brianetta> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5370564.stm 21:08:51 <Brianetta> Bang goes that safety record. 21:09:09 <hylje> heheh 21:09:14 <Bjarni> I noticed 21:09:35 <Bjarni> nothing is safe from human stupidity 21:10:05 <hylje> except what we cant get in touch with 21:10:08 <UserErr0r> are we still talking about my name? :P 21:10:14 *** FrankBA_ [debian-tor@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:11:38 <Bjarni> UserErr0r: now that you mention it... :D 21:12:42 <UserErr0r> as lame as my nickname is, it has its moments 21:13:24 <hylje> ive seen lamer 21:13:39 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-144-181.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 21:13:49 <Bjarni> me too, right now 21:13:51 <Bjarni> :P 21:13:53 *** JohnUK89 [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:13:56 <Neonox> hello! 21:14:03 <Bjarni> and again 21:14:04 <JohnUK89> Neonox: ello 21:14:10 <JohnUK89> Bjarni, ello :) 21:14:20 <Bjarni> specially the last time 21:14:30 <UserErr0r> like sk8terboy (note the redundant t, if the 8 is supposed to replace that 21:14:31 * Bjarni greets lolman 21:15:26 <Bjarni> Brianetta: would you say that the station is Newcastle is crazy? 21:15:47 <Brianetta> The station? 21:15:56 <hylje> newstation in castle 21:16:09 <Brianetta> Newcastle Central? 21:16:15 <Brianetta> How is that crazy? 21:16:40 <Bjarni> the curves 21:16:49 <Bjarni> I fail to see how they should be crazy 21:16:50 <Brianetta> It has to be curved 21:16:55 <Bjarni> yeah 21:17:00 <Brianetta> It's not crazy, ubt it can be squally 21:17:04 <Brianetta> squeally 21:17:20 <Brianetta> the wheel flanges squeak on the rails 21:17:20 <Bjarni> squeally? 21:17:31 <Brianetta> Coal trains are worst 21:17:42 <Brianetta> When they pass through, the high pitched screech is deafening 21:17:59 <Brianetta> It's too sharply curved for Eurostar 21:18:10 <Bjarni> I used google earch to measure them to disproof the crazy statement. They look like they are radius 150-160 meters 21:18:16 <Bjarni> which should be ok 21:18:37 <Brianetta> Eurostar can only (in theory) use platform 3 at York, as it's too curved, too 21:18:55 <Bjarni> <Brianetta> It's too sharply curved for Eurostar <-- bad train :P 21:18:57 <hylje> s/disproof/disprove/ 21:19:04 <Brianetta> Yeah, it's pretty stiff 21:19:14 <Brianetta> but it's damned fast, and stable at speed 21:19:29 <hylje> eurostar is designed to run in a pretty straight tunnel 21:19:30 * Bjarni prefers trains, that's able to handle radius 90 21:19:30 <Brianetta> Like TGV, it requires straight tracks 21:21:10 <Bjarni> there is a radius 85 curve not far from here and the railroad got a custom built steam locomotive to handle it. It's somewhat uneven and with a hook, that can move extremely far to the sides to be able to handle that curve 21:22:44 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6B75.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:15 <Bjarni> Brianetta: you got coal trains passing the platforms in Newcastle? 21:23:35 <Brianetta> Bjarni: On the ECML, yes. 21:24:07 <Brianetta> They don't even take the backplatforms, they come through 2 and 3 21:24:27 <Brianetta> The curve on the others is even shorter 21:24:52 <Brianetta> Eurostar: 21:24:53 <Brianetta> # Normal minimum curve radius: 21:24:53 <Brianetta> * 4000m in the 270 km/h section 21:24:53 <Brianetta> * 2400m in the 225 km/h section 21:24:53 <Brianetta> * (The absolute minimum is 250m outside St. Pancras) 21:25:12 <Brianetta> As yuo can see, Eurostar would derail if it attempted Newcastle 21:25:34 <JohnUK89> What radius is Newcastle? 21:26:10 <Brianetta> About 160 21:26:14 <Brianetta> on 2 21:26:18 <JohnUK89> Yuck :S 21:26:26 <Brianetta> Down to 140 on 6/7 21:26:29 <JohnUK89> That's nasty where Eurostar is concerned 21:27:08 <JohnUK89> (But of course Eurostar doesn't go any where near Newcastle) 21:27:25 <Brianetta> No. It *could* come to York, but only on 3 21:27:36 <ln-> btw, btw 21:28:07 <ln-> the accident of the day reminded me of the fact that accidents in OpenTTD are quite fatal: everyone always dies. 21:28:14 <Bjarni> <JohnUK89> What radius is Newcastle? <--- <Bjarni> I used google earch to measure them to disprove the crazy statement. They look like they are radius 150-160 meters 21:29:07 <Brianetta> ln-: They are also always head-on with another train 21:29:07 <Bjarni> ln-: more than 2/3 of the people in the train died today and let's see how many of the remaining 10 are alive in a week 21:29:41 <Brianetta> Transrapid is perfectly safe, as long as you don't LEAVE THINGS ON THE TRACK 21:29:41 *** JohnUK89 [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29:50 <Brianetta> D'Oh! 21:30:08 <Prof_Frink> Brianetta: So it's like Concorde then 21:30:25 <Brianetta> yeah 21:30:39 <Brianetta> You know, Concorde's fuel efficiency was 4 gallnos to the mile 21:30:42 <Brianetta> gallonsd 21:31:01 <Brianetta> That's about three times as efficient as that thing that what'shisname crashed ont he telly 21:31:11 <Prof_Frink> Some american cars can do that. 21:31:20 <Prof_Frink> Hamster. 21:31:22 <Brianetta> Prof_Frink: When tuned 21:31:41 * peter1138 fiddles with Xgl + compiz 21:31:54 <Brianetta> compiz sucks 21:31:59 <Brianetta> It's a bad window manager 21:32:09 <Brianetta> It's a great compositor, don't get me wrong 21:32:17 <Prof_Frink> Window managers suck. 21:32:19 <Brianetta> but if you turn off wobble, you lose edge resistance 21:32:23 <Prof_Frink> They're bad teminal emulators 21:32:28 <Brianetta> and if you turn off cube you lose workspaces 21:32:43 <peter1138> hmm 21:32:50 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: http://www.qdb.us/67325 <-- did you see this one? 21:33:02 <Brianetta> and one feature it needs buut doesn't have is, making all windows alpha-transparent except the one with focus 21:33:11 <Prof_Frink> Aye, patchman awaylogged me it 21:33:27 <Prof_Frink> It doesn't make as much sense without your @-flag 21:33:36 <Brianetta> The alt-scrollwheel alpha feature is useless. Well, I couldn't find a practical use for it. 21:33:36 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 21:34:39 <Prof_Frink> Isn't thw kwin in kde4 meant to work with all the funky (xgl|aiglx) stuff? 21:35:13 <Brianetta> 27 A 40kW RF welder (a dielectric welder for plastic materials) in use in a factory caused a mattress in a bed manufacturer's factory 60 yards away to catch alight. The bed springs must have just been the right length to make an efficient antenna at the frequency the welder was using. 21:35:17 <Brianetta> http://www.compliance-club.com/archive/bananaskins/26-50.asp 21:38:45 <peter1138> o_O 21:39:57 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:29 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D01D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:42:18 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! News Hounds! 21:42:27 <peter1138> i've got a better idea 21:42:45 <peter1138> involving sleep :D 21:42:58 <Born_Acorn> Instead of fiddling with Xgl + compiz or sleep, you could be coding News Hounds! 21:43:05 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:29 <Brianetta> XGL/Compiz and Google Earth don't get on. 21:43:54 <Brianetta> Tip from Brianetta: Don't spin your cube with Earth running unless you want to crash X. 21:48:01 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:52:36 <CIA-2> glx * r6495 /trunk/pathfind.c: -Codechange: removed direct map access in pathfind.c 21:52:53 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-249-021.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 21:57:06 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176120107.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 21:58:21 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 22:00:51 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 22:04:21 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B789CB.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 22:05:42 <Bjarni> nice. There is a guy on the forum, who got problems building vehicles and it looks like the issue is that he didn't build any depots o_O 22:05:54 <glx> LOL 22:06:11 <Kjetil> hahaha 22:06:43 <hylje> user error 22:06:43 <Bjarni> how did he manage to figure out how to sign up for the forums and how did he find them in the first place? 22:06:44 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B789CB.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 22:06:59 <Bjarni> and did he ever try to play TTD? :P 22:07:10 <hylje> and he did manage to set up ottd 22:07:15 <Brianetta> Maybe he's used to Locomotion 22:07:37 <Bjarni> hylje: if it's windows, then the installer can do it for him 22:08:01 <hylje> even thedata files 22:10:47 <mikk36[EST]> http://bash.org/?50891 22:10:55 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 22:11:24 *** JohnUK89 [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:11:30 <JohnUK89> Ello again :) 22:11:36 <mikk36> hey :) 22:11:38 <mikk36> heh 22:11:42 <mikk36> u're back on cable :P 22:11:49 <JohnUK89> mikk36, ello, indeed I am :) 22:11:57 <JohnUK89> My beefy 10Mb connection :P 22:11:58 <mikk36> Playing: "ÿþF - ÿþw - ÿþP" (128kbps - 44kHz - Stereo - 6:32) 22:12:01 <mikk36> shit 22:12:14 <JohnUK89> lmao 22:12:14 <mikk36> Playing: "Fedde Le Grande - www.clubkings.prv.pl - Put Your Hands Up for Detroit" (192kbps - 44kHz - Stereo - 6:32) 22:12:19 <mikk36> much better :) 22:12:31 <mikk36> Playing: "Fedde Le Grande - n/a - Put Your Hands Up for Detroit" (160kbps - 44kHz - Stereo - 6:32) 22:12:34 <mikk36> even better :) 22:12:36 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-144-181.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: muss wech] 22:12:55 <JohnUK89> Hehe 22:13:01 <JohnUK89> I need some music to download lol 22:15:36 <CIA-2> glx * r6496 /trunk/train_cmd.c: -Codechange: removed direct map access in train_cmd.c (Rubidium) 22:20:20 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D01D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:18 *** e1ko_AfK [~L@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.5/2006091003]] 22:26:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 22:28:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Your web browser is not fully supported by Google Maps." ... idiots... 22:34:21 <Born_Acorn> Use a more widely accepted browser then. :p 22:35:19 <mikk36> what browser are u using ? 22:35:22 <mikk36> linx ? 22:36:17 <Bjarni> don't use linx 22:36:22 <Bjarni> you might be arrested 22:38:38 <Nigel> the RSPCA might be after you 22:38:48 <Nigel> cruelty to websites 22:42:15 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:42:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host117-234-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:42:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> i use konqueror 22:44:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> lynx is a text browser, right? 22:44:34 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 22:45:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> i need to rephrase my statement from earlier today... google does not like konqueror 22:46:49 *** mikk36[EST] [mikk36@pc183.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 22:53:50 *** mikk36 [mikk36@pc78.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:09 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 23:01:37 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 23:09:38 <ln-> "Was passiert bei einem Zusammenstoß mit einem Hindernisse auf dem Fahrweg? 23:09:38 <ln-> Durch den Abstand zwischen Boden des Fahrwegs und Oberfläche des Fahrwegs, der bei 15 cm liegt, wird das Fahrzeug über die meisten kleinen Hindernisse hinwegschweben. 23:09:41 <ln-> Das Zusammentreffen mit größeren Gegenständen kann jedoch nicht ausgeschlossen werden. Für diesen Fall ist die Frontpartie des Fahrzeugs so ausgelegt, dass größere Gegenstände bis zu auf den Fahrweg liegenden Bäumen zwar zur einkalkulierten Deformation des Bugs führen können, jedoch nicht zu einer Gefährdung des Betriebs führen. 23:09:46 <ln-> " 23:10:36 <JohnUK89> *points at Google language tools* :P 23:11:34 <ln-> it's definitely not my fault if you don't understand the most spoken language in europe. 23:11:53 <JohnUK89> Not mine either, my German teacher was useless :P 23:13:21 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6497 /trunk/ (aircraft_gui.c roadveh_gui.c ship_gui.c train_gui.c): 23:13:21 <CIA-2> -Fix r6165: Vehicles heading for depots when their orders contained "service in depot" displayed the stopping in depot string 23:13:21 <CIA-2> This turned out to be due to OFB_HALT_IN_DEPOT and OFB_SERVICE_IF_NEEDED using the same bit 23:13:21 <CIA-2> It appears that it doesn't matter for the code, so I adapted the string selection code to handle this 23:15:13 <Bjarni> <JohnUK89> Not mine either, my German teacher was useless :P <-- I had one that was very interested in the students. Rumours had it that the reason why he left without saying goodbye 2-3 months before the exam was that he slept with one of the girls 23:15:44 <Bjarni> I don't know if that was the real reason, but with him, it was certainly possible 23:16:19 <Bjarni> he was good at teaching German though 23:17:35 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:19:46 <ln-> "The principle of the long-stator motor also prevents collision of Transrapid vehicles traveling at different speeds (running into a slower vehicle) and frontal collision, because the vehicle and the motor's traveling field always move synchronous, i.e. at the same speed and in the same direction. Moreover, only the guideway motor section on which the vehicle is moving is in operation." 23:21:38 <Bjarni> I'm don't think the maintenance vehicle was a transrapid since it didn't move when the track powered up for movement 23:23:36 <ln-> what if it had been a broken-up transrapid? 23:24:05 <ln-> or broken-down? 23:24:27 <Bjarni> good question 23:24:31 <Bjarni> I can't answer that one 23:25:51 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:26:13 * Bjarni wonders if they actually got more than one transrapid 23:26:29 <Bjarni> it's a 30 km long single tracked line 23:26:50 <Bjarni> it would not make a lot of sense to make a zillion transrapids to drive on it 23:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, if they have a transrapid 09, it would make sense that they also have a 01 to 08 standing around ;) 23:27:37 <Bjarni> good point 23:27:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> but it was a maintenance car, with normal wheels that was standing in the way 23:28:21 <Bjarni> though they might have skipped numbers or renumbered the one they had based on changes made to it 23:28:30 <Bjarni> I think 9 sounds like a lot 23:28:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> i heard at least of a transrapid 04 23:29:13 <Bjarni> their depot looks too small to contain 9 23:29:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i don't know much about the development 23:29:44 <Bjarni> I looked at the line with google earth today 23:30:17 <Bjarni> though google lacks. They got images of a track under construction 23:31:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> i am sure that test track is more than 10 years old 23:31:24 <Bjarni> hmm 23:31:26 <Bjarni> weird 23:31:41 <Bjarni> a part of it was on the ground 23:31:52 <Bjarni> at least it looks like they are putting it up 23:31:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> the google earth pictures of my area are around 5 years old 23:32:05 <Bjarni> it's possible that they had taken it down for repairs 23:32:10 <Bjarni> or modification 23:32:21 <Bjarni> it's a test facility after all 23:32:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i am nowhere near there ;) 23:33:40 <Bjarni> they updated the images of The Netherlands not long ago to get higher resolution and somebody spotted a topless woman sunbathing at a location most likely only visible to the satelite 23:35:01 <Bjarni> Dutch TV tried to contact that woman, but they failed to talk to her 23:35:15 <Bjarni> "I know where you live" :P 23:35:33 <Bjarni> I saw you in your backyard 23:36:20 <ln-> mms://213.254.239.51/tagesschau/msmedia/2006/0923/TV-20060923-0014-5301.wm.hi.wmv 23:36:47 <Bjarni> what is mms? 23:37:01 <Bjarni> mini message service? 23:37:28 <Bjarni> like SMS, but with fewer chars? 23:37:33 <Born_Acorn> i ? 23:37:33 <Born_Acorn> ( 23:37:37 <ln-> some windows media stuff 23:37:42 <Bjarni> ahh 23:37:45 <ln-> but mplayer plays it. 23:37:51 *** Ammler [~Ammler@78.119.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:05 <Born_Acorn> (00:24:04) <ln-> or broken-down? <-- Wouldn't happen. They'd shut off power to the track, because they knew the maglev stopped. 23:39:11 <ln-> but they'd not shut off power if there was a service wagon on the track? 23:39:12 <Born_Acorn> But the maintenance doodad was a self-propelled vehicle, not touching the sensors, so control had no idea it was there. 23:39:45 <ln-> they definitely should have had an idea. 23:40:18 <Bjarni> they should, so they fucked up and ignored it 23:42:53 <ln-> 02:41 <+Heiki> olisikohan Zusammenstoßen ohne Räder, Abstürzen ohne Flügel 23:43:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> what does that first word mean? 23:43:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> the phrase itself sounds quite funny ;) 23:44:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> (if it weren't for the circumstances) 23:44:25 <ln-> the first word is finnish, and means something like "how about" 23:44:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> i did figure out it was finnish, since it is not german, and not english ;) 23:45:36 <ln-> "Fahren ohne Räder, fliegen ohne Flügel" is the original slogan. 23:45:45 <Bjarni> that link plays really well in Mplayer 23:45:54 <Bjarni> that is AFTER I enabled the cache :) 23:47:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> on that note... "abstürzen" would not be capitali[sz]ed 23:47:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> is it s or z? 23:48:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> i can never remember 23:48:04 <ln-> z says the dictionary 23:48:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> one is probably british and the other american english 23:48:29 <Bjarni> American is not English 23:48:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> the name is "American English" 23:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> and "British English" 23:49:11 <Bjarni> they corrupted the language, they corrupted the name as well 23:49:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, they took upon a few things from german ;) 23:49:33 <Bjarni> English is the language spoken in England. It's as simple as that 23:50:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> so what do they speak in wales, scotland and ireland? 23:50:10 <Bjarni> Scottish is not English, but Scottish 23:50:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> or in australia, india, canada, etc. 23:50:18 <ln-> irish is not english, but irish. 23:50:28 <Bjarni> they are closely related, but not the same 23:50:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> there is no language by the name "scottish" 23:50:57 <Bjarni> then what do they speak? 23:51:01 <Bjarni> Highlandish? 23:51:19 <ln-> there's a language called Wales (aka Cymraeg) 23:51:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> there used to be some gaelic/celtic dialects 23:51:26 <ln-> d'ogh, Welsh i mean 23:51:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> like Welsh 23:51:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> but nobody really speaks them 23:51:44 <Bjarni> it sounds like English, but some words are replaced with words from Scandinavia 23:52:27 <Maedhros> i think there are about half a million Welsh speakers... and it's compulsory to learn it in Welsh schools 23:52:28 <ln-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic_language 23:53:02 <Bjarni> there are like 400 people in Ireland speaking the original language and since they got minority protection, they got their own TV station and two radio stations 23:53:20 <ln-> and Alan Cox himself is translating Fedora Core stuff into Welsh. 23:53:35 <Bjarni> at least that's what MYOB said 23:54:12 <Bjarni> he also said that the only thing they transmit that anybody watches is some British series with their subtitles and everybody watches it and don't care for the subtitles :D 23:54:36 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn gave up on translating OpenTTD into Welsh 23:54:56 <Bjarni> the grammar and so on was too different 23:55:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> let me guess... the town names did not fit in any window ;) 23:55:07 <Bjarni> that as well 23:55:33 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 23:55:44 <Bjarni> but the grammar is incompatible with the OpenTTD string system 23:56:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't exactly know anything about welsh grammar ;) 23:56:26 <Bjarni> so he gave up and Klingon was suggested as silly translation instead 23:56:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> my klingon is about as fluent as my welsh ;) 23:57:04 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: and you never will fully understand it unless you move to Wales and then you got 15% chance of that happening 23:57:26 <Bjarni> it's a totally different origin of the language, so all the grammar is different 23:57:55 <Bjarni> it's as different as Chinese grammar or Indonesian grammar 23:58:20 <Bjarni> there is a language in Indonesia where you make plural by saying the singular word twice 23:58:43 <Bjarni> so using that system, instead of saying trains, it would be "train train" 23:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> i would not try that in german ;) 23:59:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> you have too many too long words ;) 23:59:41 <Bjarni> I tried that in Danish and ended up with "jernbaneskinne jernbaneskinne" and realised that it was no good ;)