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00:02:27 <CIA-1> glx * r7142 /trunk/ (aircraft_gui.c roadveh_gui.c ship_gui.c): -Fix: disable clone button in vehicle view for not owned vehicles (was already done for trains) 00:05:31 <peter1138> why does resizing the train engine build window "lag"? 00:05:58 <peter1138> hmm 00:06:01 <peter1138> it's a mispaint 00:06:12 <peter1138> it does resize -> paint -> update scrollbar 00:06:17 <peter1138> instead of resize -> update -> paint 00:09:24 <glx> Darkvater: updated http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/saveload.diff 00:09:49 <Darkvater> he 00:10:18 <Darkvater> _saveload_titles < _saveload_caption 00:10:58 <Darkvater> ah 00:10:59 <Darkvater> he 00:11:03 <Darkvater> I should reload the page 00:11:05 <Darkvater> ... 00:11:17 <Darkvater> stupid mime-types :s 00:11:23 <peter1138> heh 00:11:30 <peter1138> right 00:11:36 <peter1138> now csdset successfully errors out 00:11:42 <peter1138> instead of randomly crashing 00:11:47 <peter1138> Error: Tried to load non-existing sprite #8219. 00:11:51 <Darkvater> I would put the assert just before AllocateWindowDesc glx so it's in place 00:11:53 <peter1138> which is, in fact, correct 00:12:02 <glx> ok 00:12:16 <Darkvater> you can even put _saveload_captions as static const inside ShowSaveLoadDialog function 00:12:24 <Darkvater> to remove its globalness 00:13:39 <Darkvater> I think that's about it 00:13:46 <Darkvater> peter1138: was the problem on our side? (the crash) 00:14:08 <peter1138> well, the grf loads a 1 byte sprite 00:14:27 <peter1138> pseudo sprite 00:14:33 <peter1138> and then tries to draw it 00:14:55 <Darkvater> Bjarni: you could at least have written comments to the functions you know :S 00:15:02 <kampasky> which sprite in the grf file does it try to load? 00:15:23 <peter1138> i already said, it's the second sprite of the dual head engines 00:15:38 <glx> reload 00:16:28 <Darkvater> glx: ok, now remove the underscore from _saveload_captions as it's no longer global :) 00:16:36 <glx> hehe :) 00:16:38 * Darkvater is so hard to please ;p 00:16:45 <peter1138> so... do i add this code for bad data? i suppose crashing is bad anyway... 00:17:14 *** pure_phase [~no@tardis.mub.unimelb.edu.au] has joined #openttd 00:17:30 <Darkvater> well crashing _is_ bad 00:17:37 <glx> done 00:18:08 <Darkvater> I'll trust you on that 00:18:34 <kampasky> peter1138: well, so sorry for being so slow, but what does ttdpatch do when drawing the engine so that it doesn't crash? 00:18:43 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-187-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:18:43 <peter1138> pass 00:18:48 <peter1138> i'm not a ttdpatch developer 00:19:23 * kampasky considered building an ASN.1 representation for newgrf for a while but passed the idea 00:19:25 <Darkvater> Bjarni: Doxygen comments even... 00:19:36 <kampasky> (it'd be cool, though) 00:19:40 <Darkvater> Bjarni: don't bother now as I'm in that file already doing z_windows and it'll just conflict 00:19:49 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-205.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:20:16 <glx> Darkvater: should I change something else ? 00:21:02 <Darkvater> it looks good...just test it in all cases 00:21:26 <glx> I did 00:21:58 <Darkvater> heightmap/save scenario/load scenario as well? 00:22:12 <glx> yes the 5 dialogs 00:22:31 <Darkvater> am I the only one who doesn't get this function ChangeWindowOwner() ? 00:22:42 <Darkvater> /* Change the owner of all the windows one player can take over from another player (like vehicle view windows) */ 00:22:56 <Darkvater> and then it _skips_ the WC_TRAINS_LIST etc windows 00:23:06 <Darkvater> glx: are you sure? 00:23:51 <glx> yes I am 00:23:59 <Darkvater> then why do you keep asking? :) 00:24:22 <glx> :) 00:24:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 00:26:07 <izhirahider> the default sorting when creating new engines, it's by EngineID (classic sort). What exactly is EngineID? Like a primary key in a db, or is it relevant in the game? 00:26:42 <Darkvater> it's absolutely irrelevant to the user 00:27:03 <Darkvater> the sorting is the old, known one, usually you have the latest engines on tpop 00:27:33 *** jez [lefrancais@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 00:27:46 <peter1138> kampasky: http://fuzzle.org/o/skipbad.diff 00:27:47 <CIA-1> glx * r7143 /trunk/misc_gui.c: -CodeChange: remove redondancy in saveload dialogs 00:27:57 <Darkvater> redondancy eh? 00:27:58 <Bjarni> guys, it's face talking time again :/ 00:28:17 <peter1138> Bjarni: can you fix the resize/update bug? 00:28:33 <Bjarni> most likely 00:28:37 <Bjarni> what bug? :) 00:28:45 <peter1138> 00:07 < peter1138> why does resizing the train engine build window "lag"? 00:28:48 <peter1138> 00:08 < peter1138> it's a mispaint 00:28:48 <peter1138> 00:08 < peter1138> it does resize -> paint -> update scrollbar 00:28:48 <peter1138> 00:08 < peter1138> instead of resize -> update -> paint 00:29:04 <Bjarni> oh that 00:29:08 <Bjarni> hmm 00:29:20 <Bjarni> I recall fixing that, but that might have been for aircraft 00:29:39 <peter1138> redondant bugs 00:36:04 <izhirahider> Darkvater, I ask this because EngineID is hard to translate 00:36:35 <Darkvater> izhirahider: he, just say 'unsorted' 00:36:52 <Darkvater> that sort-option should probably be removed 00:42:02 <peter1138> ish 00:42:25 <peter1138> tis the only way of using the grf specified sort order 00:42:35 <Smoovious> any real reason to remove it? long as it is in there, why not leave it... never know when someone would want it unsorted... (I know how much I hate windows that won't let me get an unsorted view) 00:42:35 <peter1138> could be argued that it's not necessary, but... 00:42:45 <Smoovious> (file manager that is) 00:42:59 <Darkvater> what is an unsorted view? 00:43:12 <Smoovious> well, for file manager, disk-order 00:43:16 <Smoovious> directory-order 00:43:21 <Darkvater> that's also sorted 00:43:28 <Darkvater> sorted by disk-order/directory-order 00:43:44 <Smoovious> it may be named that, but those are actually unsorted 00:43:52 <izhirahider> it's sort-not-directly-picked-by-user :) 00:43:56 <Darkvater> peter1138: yes, I was also thinking about that...but really visually 'EngineID sort' doesn't say anything 00:44:10 <peter1138> no, it doesn't 00:44:17 <peter1138> maybe it does to bjarni ;) 00:44:39 <Bjarni> yeah 00:44:41 <Smoovious> maybe call it a 'Useless' sort? 00:44:45 <Bjarni> because I know those values :P 00:44:54 <Bjarni> call it "classic sort" 00:45:37 <peter1138> hmm 00:45:39 <peter1138> stupid fonts 00:45:47 <peter1138> non-unicode fonts :/ 00:46:02 <Bjarni> peter1138: btw do you plan to support freetype in 0.5.0? 00:47:37 <peter1138> yeah 00:48:08 <Naksu> freetype? 00:48:14 <Bjarni> fuck 00:48:30 <Bjarni> I still can't crosscompile a 10.3 freetype lib :( 00:48:35 <Naksu> nvm 00:48:45 <Bjarni> making a binary release somewhat tricky 00:49:04 <peter1138> well it's not compulsory 00:50:30 <Naksu> just do a native compile then :| 00:50:44 <izhirahider> Bjarni, ok, classic sort it is 00:50:48 <izhirahider> thanks 00:51:04 <Bjarni> Naksu: I would.... if I had access to 10.3 00:51:44 <Bjarni> Naksu: you don't happen to know a way to gain access to OSX 10.3 to compile a library, do you? 00:51:50 <Naksu> doesnt orudge have a ton of esoteric operating systems running? 00:52:19 <Bjarni> AFAIK no PPC operation systems 00:52:39 *** pure_phase [~no@tardis.mub.unimelb.edu.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52:45 <Naksu> and no, not really :| 00:53:11 <Naksu> but surely there is someone on the intertubes that has 10.3 00:53:28 <Bjarni> it appears that nobody in this channel got access to 10.3 anymore 00:54:22 <Bjarni> I got a funny version of it. I got the install CDs, but no hardware to install it on 00:54:22 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:54:30 <Naksu> could pearpc work? 00:54:46 <Bjarni> you know, I have wondered about that myself 00:54:56 <Bjarni> I haven't tried it yet though 00:55:07 <Sacro> 10.3? 00:55:10 <Bjarni> yeah 00:55:13 <Bjarni> OSX 10.3 00:55:16 <izhirahider> what does "Auto replace all trains in the depot" do? 00:55:19 <Naksu> http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/screenshots/osx_ichat.png seems like it runs some version of osx at least 00:55:20 <Sacro> is that PPC or x86? 00:55:24 <Naksu> Sacro: ppc 00:55:28 <izhirahider> I click on it while trains are in depot but nothing happens 00:55:32 <Sacro> what about lws|Dinner ? 00:55:34 <peter1138> izhirahider: it auto replaces all trains in the depot 00:55:53 <glx> if an autoreplace has been set 00:56:06 <izhirahider> peter1138, I click on it while trains are in depot but nothing happens (no money is spent at least) 00:56:27 <glx> it's not autorenew :) 00:56:40 <glx> you need to configure autoreplace before 00:56:47 <Naksu> Bjarni: it would seem that pearpc works for running the plain OS at least 00:56:51 <Naksu> altho with horrible performance 00:57:08 <Bjarni> it does what it says, it uses autoreplace, just like if all the vehicles entered the depot at once 00:57:37 <Bjarni> Naksu: yeah, I know 00:57:51 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 00:58:07 <Sacro> Naksu: would it run reasonably with dual core/2GB ram? 00:58:10 <izhirahider> right, so I am misinterpreting the concept. When is autoreplace set then? 00:58:27 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Naksu: would it run reasonably with dual core/2GB ram? <-- good question 00:58:46 <Sacro> Bjarni: im just waiting for my cpu to come back in stock then i will have my new pc 00:58:51 <glx> izhirahider: when you clic on replace in main vehicle window list 00:59:00 <Sacro> its probably going to be quad-booting with XP, Vista, OSX and Linux 00:59:30 <peter1138> autoreplace is where it's been for the past year or so 00:59:49 <Bjarni> Sacro: once you learn your way around OSX, you skip booting into the other ones :p 01:00:01 <Darkvater> gn all :) 01:00:20 <Sacro> Bjarni: possibly... 01:00:26 <Sacro> but then i kinda need VS2005 for uni 01:02:44 * kampasky wonders why his openttd doesn't output debug prints :( 01:04:32 <peter1138> we added secret code 01:04:33 <Sacro> hmm, i think PearPC runs on ppc macs now 01:04:38 <izhirahider> glx, I still don't get it. On the main vehicle window list, I can see a button "replace vehicles", in which there's a left and right panes, but how exactly can I autoreplace? 01:04:50 <kampasky> funny 01:04:54 <peter1138> if (user == kampasky) /* don't debug */ return; 01:04:56 <kampasky> there _are_ write(2, ...)s 01:05:03 <kampasky> but they don't appear anywhere 01:05:10 <peter1138> o_O 01:05:21 <Bjarni> Sacro: some manage to get it to work, but funny enough, it's much slower to emulate PPC on PPC than it is on i386 01:05:30 <glx> izhirahider: that window with 2 panes is the autoreplace window 01:05:59 <peter1138> tried the old 'developer 2' ? 01:06:15 <peter1138> bah, nini 01:07:55 <Sacro> peter1138: nini 01:08:08 <Sacro> Bjarni: quite probably..., ill give ti a try when i get my new pc 01:08:14 *** pxl [PigCell@dslb-088-073-244-238.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 01:08:30 <CIA-1> glx * r7144 /trunk/lang/ (21 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup r7102: remove STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_PROGRESS_UPDATE_INTERVAL in lang files 01:08:51 <izhirahider> does this mean that the right pane trains are being replaced by left pane ones? 01:09:03 <izhirahider> automatically? 01:09:12 <Sacro> izhirahider: no, left gets replaced with right 01:09:25 *** [1]PigCell [~PigCell@dslb-088-073-245-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 01:09:34 <glx> if you clic on "start replacing" 01:09:49 <Bjarni> hmm 01:10:00 <Bjarni> did I make that window too tricky for the end users? 01:10:48 <glx> the only tricky part in this window is the engine/wagon button :) 01:11:04 <Sacro> hmm... what other essential apps do i need to download for my new pc... 01:11:05 <izhirahider> these replaces take place at next services? 01:11:22 <Bjarni> yeah, it was added after the window was finished and working and some people started to request the ability to replace wagons as well 01:11:36 <Bjarni> Sacro: OpenTTD 01:11:37 <Sacro> Bjarni: some people -> me 01:11:47 <Sacro> Bjarni: thats actually a good point... 01:11:56 <glx> izhirahider: yes next time the vehicle to be replaced enter a depot it will be replaced 01:12:01 <Sacro> well... mingw and svn anyway 01:12:25 <Bjarni> izhirahider: vehicles are replaced when they enter a depot OR if they are inside a depot and you click the autoreplace button 01:13:19 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni: some people -> me <-- maybe. I just recall it as a crowd of people requesting it, both on IRC and on the forum 01:13:43 <izhirahider> Bjarni, if they are inside the depot, aren't they automatically replaced then? 01:14:02 <izhirahider> I am wondering the need for this autoreplace button inside the depot window 01:14:04 <glx> no only when they enter 01:14:13 <glx> that's why the button exists 01:14:47 <izhirahider> so for replacing stopped trains I have to visit all depots and click autoreplace on each one? 01:15:07 *** PigCell [PigCell@dslb-088-073-188-182.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:07 *** [1]PigCell is now known as PigCell 01:15:10 <Bjarni> the button was added due to a request. It's most likely used when somebody sets the replace command and then click the button to replace everything in the depot 01:15:17 <Sacro> Bjarni: i think originally it was just me 01:15:24 <izhirahider> I think I got it but it's not that simple 01:15:36 <Sacro> Bjarni: could it default Wagon Length cutting to ON? 01:15:45 <Bjarni> izhirahider: it's way easier to understand how to use it than it was to code it 01:15:47 <kampasky> peter1138: I think the patch is good to apply 01:16:09 <Smoovious> grrrr 01:16:17 *** pxl [PigCell@dslb-088-073-244-238.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:35 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni: could it default Wagon Length cutting to ON? <-- DV demanded that default is off. It makes no real different codewise what the default is 01:16:39 <Smoovious> wish I could see industries opening and closing without having to also see every little % of change in production they go through along with it... 01:17:00 <Sacro> Bjarni: well could we have it saved into the options, im forever forgetting 01:20:45 <Bjarni> sure 01:21:10 <Bjarni> go to flyspray and write a feature request and assign it to me or I will forget this 01:21:51 <Sacro> hmmm.... 01:21:56 <Sacro> ill just keep nagging you 01:22:41 <Bjarni> :( 01:22:59 * Bjarni wonders if he should just set Sacro to ignore right away 01:23:16 <Bjarni> it's not top priority and I got plenty of stuff to do 01:23:27 <Sacro> Bjarni: thats ok, me too 01:24:29 <Bjarni> goodnight 01:24:30 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:27:21 <kampasky> hmm, there's a subsidy A -> C, I've built a train going A -> B (transfer and take cargo) -> C and it apparently didn't get subsidized :( 01:28:12 <glx> that doesn't surprise me 01:29:20 <Smoovious> cuz the cargo was marked as picked up from B, not A 01:49:59 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:15 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 01:58:39 <jez> my god 01:58:45 <jez> has any Christian actually read the bible? 01:58:47 <jez> heh 01:59:06 <jez> i'd forgotten how totally ridiculous it sounds in the context of modern society 01:59:07 <Smoovious> judging by their general behavior, I'd have to say, no 01:59:17 <Smoovious> majority just lets someone else tell them what is in it 01:59:25 <jez> how can people say they take their moral beliefs from the Bible... 01:59:55 <Smoovious> they go through the motions, but when you look at their actions, they don't believe it... certainly not even close to the mount of lip-service they pay to it 02:00:00 <jez> that in Genesis, documents God cold-bloodedly destroying towns, Lot shagging his daughters and God killing his wife because she 'looked' somewhere 02:00:02 <jez> heh 02:00:08 <jez> and that's just me perusing a couple of chapters 02:00:30 <jez> slaves being bought and sold 02:01:00 <jez> shouldnt god come and punish Western society? we've abolished slavery and made it illegal for men to force their daughers to shag people 02:01:09 <jez> that's all promoted in the Bible 02:01:54 <Smoovious> what gets me, is, how the different factions, always seem to change their structure to conform to laws... like... the mormons... marrying more than one person was nothing wrong... but once the christian majority made it illegal, the mormon faction changed their tune too... 02:01:57 <jez> I wanna see an English translation of the Quran 02:02:05 <jez> heh 02:02:23 <Smoovious> I'd have more respect for a faction that stuck to their belief structure no matter what laws man passed, but if they're willing to do that, then maybe it isn't their God's will after all 02:02:31 <jez> apparently somewhere in the Quran, it documents that the prophet Mohammed has sex with a baby less than 1 year old, then marries her at about age 7 02:02:44 <jez> i need to keep that quote and yell it at any Muslims using that crap to justify ANYTHING 02:02:51 <jez> any goddamn thing 02:02:57 <Smoovious> well, at least he made an honest toddler out of her 02:03:13 <jez> if they're only taking selections of their religious text, they're using HUMAN morality, sod religion 02:03:18 <jez> if they use the text, they should be consistent 02:03:32 <jez> morality my ass 02:03:37 <Smoovious> but if anything, it endorses pre-marital sex for their followers... so all the honor-killing dealing with it, is wrong... if you follow it literally 02:03:55 <jez> erm, how can you follow it non-literally? 02:03:59 <jez> you either follow it or you dont 02:04:50 <Smoovious> what really gets me is how the bible thumpers act like they're the only ones who are moral simply because of their religion... I'm a 'not-applicable'... and I found as a 'not-applicable' I make a better judeo-christian than most judeo-christians I've met... so what does that say about their so-called morality when an admitted blasphemer is more moral than they are? 02:05:11 <Smoovious> I agree... but most people don't 02:05:32 <Smoovious> it either says what it says or it doesn't say what it says, and if it doesn't say it, don't believe it 02:06:23 <Smoovious> I have enough trouble reading between the lines in an email from my ex as it is... I don't wanna bother having to do it in a book that was translated, and who knows the quality of the translation, written in a style that isn't easy to read, in an era that has no relevance to me, etc etc 02:07:18 <Smoovious> the bibles(qoran, et al) were excellent for controlling their people... but they do an excellent job of divorcing people from reality too... and in this day an age, that is a very dangerous thing... 02:09:04 * Smoovious rofls. 02:09:26 <Smoovious> and when you think about it... what are the suicide bombers doing it for? killing people, and themselves? ... they're doing it to get laid... 02:09:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-227-23.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:09:38 <Smoovious> so... how does that make them better than us? 02:11:02 <Smoovious> besides... you know how femmes are... who wants to be around 27 women all having their periods at the same time? 02:13:49 <Sacro> tampax shareholder? 02:14:12 <Smoovious> the 27 virgins they're supposed to get for killing themselves for the cause 02:14:34 <Smoovious> oh, nevermind 02:14:44 <Smoovious> I followed the question a few seconds too late :P 02:16:05 <Sacro> 27 virgins? 02:16:43 <Smoovious> I might be getting the # wrong, but yeah, that's basically it... they go to their version of heaven with 27 virgins waiting for them 02:17:14 <Sacro> but thats only like... half an hours fun 02:18:19 <Smoovious> well, I'd stretch it out a bit... I'm a bdsm'er... plus I also like to watch. >:) 02:26:25 <jez> Smoovious: i think you mean you're agnostic 02:26:34 <jez> that's a useful term to use 02:27:32 <jez> hmm 02:27:39 <jez> i need to find an equivalent of biblegateway.com for the Quran 02:29:41 <Smoovious> no, agnostic implies that I just don't know... I reject that classification... I completely reject the religious classification system as a whole... which makes me a not-applicable 02:29:51 <jez> that's nonsense 02:29:59 <Smoovious> not it isn't 02:30:41 <jez> you cannot NOT have a religious viewpoint if you've heard of religion, any more than you can have no viewpoint on freedom of speech 02:30:46 <jez> or human rights 02:30:56 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B76E96.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:30:57 <Smoovious> athiesm is you don't believe in a god... agnosticism is you neither believe nor disbelieve in one, but it is still a religious designation and mindset... I don't believe in the very concept of religion from the ground up... that makes me a not-applicable 02:31:10 <Smoovious> of course I can not have a religious viewpoint 02:31:30 <jez> Smoovious: i'd say that makes you an agnostic (possibly a higher power) or an atheist (no higher power) 02:31:35 <jez> you are not N/A :-) 02:31:37 <Smoovious> I have the freedom of choice... if I don't want to have a religious viewpoint whatsoever, I'm going to not have one... 02:31:45 <Smoovious> I am a n/a 02:31:50 <jez> what i mean is i'm not saying you can't 02:31:56 <jez> i'm saying it's not possible 02:32:12 <Smoovious> you just told me I can't... and I am saying it _is_ possible 02:32:13 <jez> you either believe in religion or not 02:32:21 <jez> you've said not, that makes you agnostic or atheist 02:32:41 <Smoovious> right... and I don't believe in religion... so whenever there is a place that asks me for religious designation, I put not-applicable 02:32:53 <Smoovious> athiesm and agnosticism, are religious designations/classifications 02:32:57 <jez> forget about some checkbox form 02:33:19 <jez> im talking about the truth of the matter, whether you want to accept the label or not, one of those labels applies 02:33:35 <jez> agnosticism is a classification, but i'd say it covers a lot of ground 02:33:44 <jez> pretty much all "N/A" ground 02:33:45 <Smoovious> so am I... the truth of the matter is I don't believe in religion, or religious classification whatsoever... so I'm not-applicable 02:34:01 <jez> hang on 02:34:10 <jez> you don't think there is a god 02:34:12 <jez> ? 02:34:13 <DaleStan> Smoovious: Do you believe that there is a higher power? 02:34:14 <Smoovious> andthe labels only apply to those who care about such things... I do not... 02:34:31 <jez> no, i'm saying the labels apply to everyone actually 02:34:41 <jez> agnostics can either care a lot about religion (like me) or not at all 02:34:43 <Smoovious> a higher power in the sense that religions think of it? nope 02:34:47 <Sacro> EVERYONG http://www.owenrudge.net/various/player/ NOW TO HEAR ORUDGE SINGING 02:34:49 <jez> agnostic can represent active or passive agnosticism 02:35:01 <Smoovious> the labels only apply to those who will be labelled... 02:35:02 <jez> you're apparently passively agnostic 02:35:02 <Sacro> or http://radio.zernebok.com:8080/live.mp3 02:35:13 <jez> you'll be labelled if i label you :-P 02:35:38 <Smoovious> you can call me whatever label you like, I care not... but the only person's opinion about it that I care about is my own... 02:36:16 <jez> to deny that you're an agnostic is to deny fact 02:36:26 <jez> if you want to deny fact it's your problem 02:36:48 <jez> it's like denying you're human 02:36:51 <jez> retarded 02:37:22 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76E08.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:37:25 <DaleStan> You can't change your race by denying that you're a member of any race. The same applies to religious viewpoint. You, of necessity, have one, just like you are necessarily a member of a certain race. 02:38:08 * Smoovious shakes his head. 02:38:16 <DaleStan> You can change your religious viewpoint, but you can't NOT HAVE a religious viewpoint. 02:38:52 <Smoovious> you guys are being silly... it is so important to you to place a label on people... :) you guys go right a head... but I can NOT HAVE a religious viewpoint... and I don't need your permission or acknowledgement to do so. :) 02:39:01 <Smoovious> afk a bit... girlfriend on phone 02:39:16 <DaleStan> There are only three choices: 1) You believe in higher power. 2) You believe that there is no higher power. 3) You don't know whether there is a higher power or not. 02:39:31 <DaleStan> There is no fourth option. 02:39:50 <Smoovious> there is a 4th choice... 4) I don't give a <bleep> about any of it 02:40:02 <DaleStan> Nope. 02:40:13 <DaleStan> You still have a belief, even if you don't care what it is. 02:40:15 <Smoovious> and again... it isn't up to you to make the choices I may make for me... you may not agree with it... but it changes nothing 02:40:16 <Smoovious> brb 02:42:02 *** Ben_123 [~Ben@82.152.202.88] has joined #openttd 02:43:26 <jez> Smoovious: 4) is actually 3) (passive) 02:43:45 <jez> :-P 02:45:15 <Ben_123> um, anyone know what may be the problem. Im trying to replace the bridge sprite, and if i load it says ''error'' could not load sprite etc. Its specifically a problem with this 1 .png. What could be wrong with a .png? 02:47:18 <Smoovious> but as you can see, I'm anything _but_ passive about it, so 3 doesn't apply :P 02:51:36 <jez> Smoovious: i bet you're the person who is the reason they have Gender: Male, Female, N/A 02:51:39 <jez> :-) 02:52:02 <Smoovious> not at all... I believe in gender... you must be thinking of Ru Paul 02:52:55 <jez> you believe in denying the existince of that which must exist 02:52:56 <Smoovious> besides... they're just planning ahead... someday we may encounter asexual beings, and we need to be accomodating for them. :D 02:53:00 <jez> gender is one example 02:53:06 <jez> :-) 02:53:10 <jez> they're already here 02:53:25 <Smoovious> but you equate religion to being something 'which must exist'... I do not 02:53:39 <jez> no 02:53:47 <Smoovious> yes 02:53:54 <jez> i equate a religious viewpoint to something which must exist, in somebody who knows of religion. 02:54:00 <Smoovious> I don't believe in the very existence of it 02:54:11 <jez> of religion? 02:54:19 <Smoovious> right 02:54:29 <jez> you dont think religion exists? heh 02:54:42 <Smoovious> I believe those who believe in it believe it exists... I don't 02:56:03 <jez> good 02:56:08 <jez> so you're agnostic 02:56:11 <jez> or atheist 02:56:12 <jez> ;-) 02:56:20 <Smoovious> nope 02:56:21 <Smoovious> :) 02:58:29 <Smoovious> to be an agnostic or an athiest, you have to believe in religion in the first place... I don't believe in the very concept of religion... which rules out athiesm and agnosticism 02:59:19 <Ben_123> a nillist? 03:00:41 <Ben_123> nihilist* 03:02:05 <Smoovious> nihilist? no... I don't believe that existence is senseless... and I also don't believe in the destruction of society either 03:03:21 <Ben_123> a nihilist is just extream scepticism, and the beleif that nothin exsists basically 03:03:21 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04:22 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-205.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:04:41 <Smoovious> that too... and no, I'm not a nihilist... I believe that stuff exists... 03:04:51 <Smoovious> like, for example... 03:05:27 <Smoovious> this banana I'm eating... for the next 40 seconds or so, it exists... and after that, it still exists, albeit, in a different form, and within a couple hours, it will cease being what you could still consider a banana 03:05:47 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498F085.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:06:26 <Ben_123> a realist? 03:07:01 <Smoovious> um... by the layman's definition, I'd go along with being a realist... I believe there are things that are real, sure 03:07:18 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 03:07:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 03:11:27 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:11:47 <Ben_123> So your an asumptuos nihilist? 03:12:08 * Smoovious sighs. 03:12:13 <Smoovious> I'm not a nihilist... 03:12:29 <Smoovious> what's with this extreme need you guys have to categorize people? 03:14:43 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 03:16:37 <Ben_123> the irony there being ''you guys'' 03:17:12 <Ben_123> does nobody no about .png's? if not, I'll give up and sleep instead 03:17:19 <Smoovious> 'you guys' general... when in a group, I call femmes guys too in a non-specific-gender usage 03:18:48 <Ben_123> you a smoovist? 03:19:42 * Smoovious shakes his head. 03:20:04 <Smoovious> yeah, ok, you wanna call me a smoovist, go ahead... 03:20:09 *** jez [lefrancais@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 03:20:24 <Ben_123> Your a smoovist 03:21:04 <Smoovious> I'm just Smoovious 03:30:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> i might be a little late, but you can't not have a religion 03:30:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> even denying the existance of religion is a religion in itself 03:30:20 <Smoovious> yes I can 03:30:40 <Smoovious> no, denying the existence of an intelligent supreme being is a religion in itself 03:30:48 <Smoovious> not believing in religion is something else 03:31:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> religion is anything you believe in 03:31:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> if you believe in not believing in religion, that is your religion 03:31:24 <Smoovious> no it isn't 03:31:25 <Ben_123> Eddi|zuHause3: you no anything about .pngs?! 03:31:44 <Ben_123> Religion is more about what someone else tells you to beleive in, otherwise its just a beleif 03:31:44 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:31:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> if you want to not call it like that, that is your choice, but it does not change the facts 03:31:58 <Smoovious> on that, Ben_123, I'll agree with you 03:32:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> what you define "religion" to mean is also part of your religion 03:32:55 <Smoovious> the facts are, that I don't believe in religion, so that makes me a not-applicable... if you feel the need to still categorize me to fit your belief in religion, that is also your choice, but it also does not change the facts either 03:33:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> the fact is. as long as you have a working brain, you have a religion. (period) 03:33:29 <Smoovious> don't get rediculous, Eddi|zuHause3... at least the others had thought out their arguments 03:33:34 <Smoovious> bullshit 03:33:42 <Ben_123> period?? dam, and I had so much more to say 03:35:01 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 03:35:33 <Smoovious> Ben_123... what do you want to know about .png's... I probably won't know myself, but I can probably find the info you're looking for 03:35:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> didn't you notice your discussion? that is definitely a religious one 03:36:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> how can you do a religious discussion if you have no religion? 03:36:08 <Ben_123> The discussion was about releigion, as apposed to being religious in itself 03:36:16 <Smoovious> it depended on how you looked at it in the first place... 03:36:45 <Smoovious> note I was referring to them mainly as factions... I can certainly debate what is considered religion, even if I don't believe in it myself 03:36:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> you tried to defend your choice in not believing in religion, that is a religous debate 03:37:00 <Ben_123> Smoovious, i just want to find out if there is any 'types' of png's. Cause I cant seem to get some to work, but others do, and it may be because of the high amount of semi opake pixels, Im not shore 03:37:17 <Smoovious> well, how can you debate women's issues if you have no <insert-female-anatomy-word-here> 03:37:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, that is an entirely different point 03:37:41 <Ben_123> handbag? 03:37:42 <Smoovious> Eddi|zuHause3... no, actually, the religious debate, happened earlier with the 27 virgins 03:38:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can have discussions about other people's religions without being religious 03:38:01 <Smoovious> as far as I know, there are different types... 03:38:12 <Smoovious> exactly my point 03:38:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> but you can't have discussions about your religion if you aren't religous 03:38:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> but you had one 03:38:46 <Smoovious> I wasn't having a discussion about my religion... I was having a discussion about my not believing in religion... they aren't the same thing 03:38:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> ergo, you must be religious 03:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, they are, read my above statement. 03:39:18 <Smoovious> I did read your above statement, and like I said before... bullshit 03:40:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> so, unless you give a proper proof of "bullshit", that is a "religious" proof 03:40:34 <Smoovious> now that's just dub 03:40:36 <Smoovious> er, dumb 03:41:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> "religion" here being 'an unproven set of statements presented as the universal truth' 03:41:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> (by that definition, mathmatics is a religion, btw.) 03:41:57 <Smoovious> anything to help perpetuate religion, eh? 03:42:40 <Smoovious> (and last I knew... mathematics was pretty well proven... kinda hard to argue with adding one to another one ends up with two of em) 03:42:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, you cannot have sensible philosophic discussions without first defining all used words properly 03:43:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> you clearly do not know mathmatics :) 03:43:16 <Ben_123> religion and asumption coinside, but are not the same. To debate anything is to take some assumptions but that doesnt mean its religioous, or even faithfull. (relgion would be relieing on the words and guidence of others). Therfore you do not have to be relious to discuss relgion 03:43:47 <Smoovious> oh, sensible... that's an entirely different matter... I just had a bunch of people tell me I can't believe what I apparently can believe, or can !believe, as I choose... :) 03:44:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> mathmatics may be all about proving, but all that can be reduced to a pretty small set of independent, not provable statements (called axioms) 03:44:48 <Ben_123> these debates get nowhere, as they always gradually wind down, until all sides come to thoery that 'the only fact that is known is that you don't no nothing, as you no this fact' 03:45:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> the most debated one of those is the so called "axiom of choice" 03:45:20 <Smoovious> so, you'd consider the SQRT of -9 to be religion? 03:45:39 * Smoovious shrugs. 03:45:49 <Smoovious> I just don't like people telling me what I can and can't believe 03:45:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> which really can be seen as THE religious base of mathmatics 03:46:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> because it is at the same level as "there is a god" 03:46:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> only they call it differently 03:46:19 <Smoovious> oh please 03:46:25 <Smoovious> rofls 03:46:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can accept the "axiom of choice" 03:46:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> or you can not accept it 03:46:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> in both cases you get a proper mathmatics 03:46:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> just it is completely different 03:47:13 <Smoovious> but this isn't about mathematics or anything else... 03:47:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is about religion 03:47:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> and like i said, mathmatics is a perfect example of religion 03:48:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> and on the matter of sqrt(-9), that can be multiple things, depending of your flavour of the mathmatical religion 03:48:23 <Smoovious> this is about what one single individual believes and doesn't believe... and no amount of argument or debate about what I can or can't believe is going to change anything... if you draw comfort from having to fit me into a religious designation in order to squeeze me into your worldview, you go right ahead... it has nothing to do with me or what I believe or don't believe and doesn't change a damned thing whatsoever. :) 03:48:30 <Ben_123> Eddi: it really isnt. Religion isnt the same as just having faith in the fact that numbers are as you see and understand them 03:48:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> Ben_123: neither is mathmatics 03:50:01 <Ben_123> To things that arnt both 1 value dont have to be the same 'other' value. Therfore if your statement is true that mathmatics also isnt, that doesnt mean its religious 03:50:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i did not say that mathmatics was equivalent to religion, i said mathmatics is one religion, there are lots of others 03:50:51 <Smoovious> Ben_123... do you need a reference site for .png's? 03:51:03 <Ben_123> smoovious, yeah, ok 03:51:20 <Smoovious> try http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/ 03:51:41 <Ben_123> Eddi: if maths is a religion, then speaking the same laugwich would be a relgion. Relgion isnt just a standardised set of rules 03:52:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i won't continue this discussion right now, because you guys just have not enough mathmatical background to get anything i could say 03:52:03 <Ben_123> Smoovious: thanks 03:52:24 <Smoovious> well... I suppose you could call mathematics a part of religion... the scientologists pretty much are a good example of that... 03:52:37 <Smoovious> but simply having a belief in something doesn't make it a religion... 03:52:38 <Ben_123> Eddit: basicallly, we are far to dumb for you 03:52:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> i did not say that... 03:52:59 <Smoovious> yes you did 03:53:03 <Smoovious> we paraphrased 03:53:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> i just said you do not have enough knowledge 03:53:14 <Smoovious> i.e. we're too dumb for you 03:53:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> not knowing something is something entirely different from being too dumb 03:53:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> not knowing just means you did not learn it 03:53:49 <Ben_123> you have no idea of my mathamatical capabilties or knowlege, although thats very true, knowledge and intellengence are differnet 03:53:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> being dumb means you are not able to learn 03:54:13 <Smoovious> much like how I feel about you about religion, eh? 03:55:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have a very good understanding of religion 03:55:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> just when you disagree with my definition of religion, there is no point in discussing 03:55:59 <Ben_123> Debating the position of 'mathermatics' within relaity doesnt require any understanding of it. Its like studiing the bible intensively so as to debate if its real. The knowledge inside the subject is irrellevent, its wherre the subject stands within reality that we are debating 03:56:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> since then we are not talking about the same thing 03:56:16 <Smoovious> so we can only discuss it if I agree with you? 03:56:23 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:56:24 <Smoovious> kinda makes discussion pointless then, eh? 03:57:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is the plan of a discussion, in the end, everybody should agree... 03:57:27 <Smoovious> after all, if I agree with you about it, what's there to discuss? 03:57:35 <Smoovious> no, they shouldn't 03:58:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> if the result is that people do not agree, there was no point in the discussion either, don't you think? 03:59:07 <Smoovious> that's one of the problems with discussing things that have no evidence to them... there is no reason whatsoever why everyone should come to the same conclusion you do... and everyone may disagree, and that is good... and even if everyone disagrees, everyone may also be right, too, according to their own worldview 03:59:14 <Smoovious> not at all 03:59:24 <Ben_123> hmm, I read the png thing, but sadly im none the wizer, Ill have to ask someone tommorow 03:59:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> s/worldview/religion, and we are right at where we started 04:00:16 <Smoovious> the point of discussion is not to come to a mutual consensus... it is to further people's ability to think about things... consider points of view they haven't been exposed to yet, and reflect on how those points of view may or may not fit into what they already know for themselves... 04:00:24 <Ben_123> when discussing anything you need to first lay down the assumptions. So im gunna asume that you guys are talking in english, and not some laugwich that uses the same words in a wierd order, that happens to make apparent sence to me.....for example 04:00:34 <Smoovious> for some people it will reinforce what they believe... for others, they may question, still others, they may change their mind completely... 04:00:50 <Smoovious> consensus isn't the object of discussion... it is the discussion itself, that is the object 04:01:04 <Ben_123> the purpose of discussion is to pass time, when your board out your face, but not tired enough to bother sleeping 04:01:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> that one is probably the most fitting ;) 04:01:48 <Smoovious> well, I'm American, so that English assumption may not be true already 04:02:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> you're american, that explains a great lot :p 04:02:24 <Smoovious> no, that's small-talk... about inconsequential things 04:02:31 <Ben_123> I would bet highly that your both speaking english, but i can never be 100% shore, so theres some asumption in it. But its not religious 04:02:47 * Smoovious grins at Ben_123 04:02:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> at least, i am sure that you do not speak english, Ben_123 ;) 04:03:16 <Ben_123> I speak benish, its regional dialect, very regional 04:04:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> we might switch to a proper language (i.e. german :p) but i doubt that is helping the discussion ;) 04:05:41 <Ben_123> Am I relgious in making the assumption that im not talking to a bot? 04:06:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes 04:06:13 <Smoovious> I'm just a very sophisticated Eliza program... so, I'd have to say, no 04:06:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> because we might as well be in a "Matrix" 04:06:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> and i might be an "Agent" 04:07:32 <Ben_123> The difference is that I wouldnt say its religious to asume that, I would say its assumptious, but its rational as its going on chance, and having faith in that chance, rather than blind faith 04:08:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> so, by what religion you divide "chance" from "blind"? 04:09:18 <Smoovious> um... that's the problem with 'faith' and 'blind faith'... blind faith is redundant... faith is faith, and blind or not, faith is supposed to be blind in the first place, or it wouldn't be faith to begin with... 'blind faith' is just called that by other people who believe something else, by faith, and wish to dismiss those who believe by faith, differently 04:09:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> "chance" is just an instance of "Kolmogorov's Axioms" (or similar set of basic stochastc) 04:09:43 <Ben_123> by the fact that I use jigsaw peices that all fit into place, and although the exsistence of the jigsaw is in debate, the peices within it correlate. in religion i would be taking a jigsaw peice, relative to someone elses word, and placing it along on a table 04:10:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> nothing in the definition of "religion" prevents it from being consistent 04:10:39 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:10:50 <Smoovious> like, I could consider anything having to do with religion in the first place, as blind faith, as it seems, 'blind faith' is a base component part of religion in the first place 04:11:21 <Ben_123> faith is to asume that if i add 1 and b i will get the colour red. Assumptious (withint the philosophical debate) would asume that 2+2=4, and i would asume that the 2 2's each have the same value, and 4 is double each 04:11:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> although, if you take a sufficiently large set of rules (like, call it "the bible") you are probably finding quite some inconsistencies 04:11:40 <Smoovious> quite 04:12:08 <Smoovious> starting with, if being jewish was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for the christians? 04:12:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> because it stopped being good when judas betrayed him 04:12:44 <Smoovious> and if God was supposed to be worshipped above all others, then that kinda makes the judeo-christians wrong for worshipping Jesus over God 04:13:05 <Smoovious> Jesus was only supposed to be the messenger 04:13:25 <Smoovious> (probably cuz God was too much of a coward to come down here himself) 04:13:32 *** Zevensoft [~Zevensoft@220-253-6-74.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:13:37 <Ben_123> arguing within the confines of faith doesnt get anywhere 04:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> people tend to associate more the messenger to the message than the sender to the messege 04:13:51 <Smoovious> but that's a whole other discussion, and I got some things to do 04:13:57 <Smoovious> thanks for the debate 04:14:21 <Smoovious> Eddi|zuHause3... you need to get out more... they definitely, do not, do that 04:14:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> hence the existance of sentences like "don't shoot the messenger" 04:14:26 * Smoovious slips afk. 04:14:52 <Ben_123> alright, Im gunna go to bed, bye 04:17:04 <Ben_123> hmm, although, before I go, I've always noticed how the TT bridges are very low, and wondered why trains dont crash into them each time 04:17:17 <Ben_123> ...but in making a more zoomed graphic, they seem increadbly low 04:17:39 <Ben_123> about 1/3 of the hiehgt to give clearance 04:17:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, perspective is a real problem in TT 04:19:04 <Ben_123> hmm...., this will become a bigger problem later i recon. 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(there are something in the vicinity of 100) and What is "it"? 05:52:32 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37E13.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 06:11:30 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Away 06:31:09 <Frostregen> hmm, are asserts enabled or disabled in the nightly builds? 06:45:25 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 06:50:48 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:50:49 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:51:23 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:28:47 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:28:47 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:04:24 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:26:57 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 08:48:44 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 08:49:23 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-137-243.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:55:56 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-174-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:56:03 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 09:02:34 <peter1138> morning 09:03:21 <peter1138> Ben_123: and that's why the tunnel sprites look strange 09:05:31 <Tron> morning, peter1138 09:05:38 *** ufoun [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 09:06:59 <peter1138> hello :) 09:13:12 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:15:15 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 09:21:52 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-137-243.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 09:24:40 * peter1138 sighs 09:25:07 <peter1138> i guess i'm going to have to increase the sprite limit sooner 09:25:29 <peter1138> what with idiots posting incorrect patches and then more idiots worshipping them 09:31:57 <Tron> just delete it 09:33:08 <ln-> huh, i haven't posted patches in a long time. 09:33:39 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-180-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:39:41 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-180-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:40:57 <peter1138> ln-, nobody's worshipped you either... 09:46:22 *** ufoun [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:57:37 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-162-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:00:43 *** ufoun [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 10:07:23 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:39 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 10:11:05 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:12:14 <Darkvater> mornin' 10:12:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:15:49 <Rubidium> morning 10:31:38 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:36:55 <peter1138> hmm 10:39:23 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.76 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]] 10:41:24 <Tron> can ST_CONST get removed? 10:44:40 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:44:54 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:53:53 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.148.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:08 <peter1138> it doesn't look used... 11:02:04 <CIA-1> tron * r7145 /trunk/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Remove extra semicolons 11:03:39 <izhirahider> What's the quickest way to see the use of STR_REFIT_TIP, or in other words, where/how can I refit a vehicle? 11:04:10 <Tron> grep 11:04:13 <KUDr_wrk> [11:39:40] <Tron> can ST_CONST get removed? << yes, it was my attempt to keep VC6 compliance, and I forgot to remove it 11:04:45 <KUDr_wrk> but first it must be rewritten where it is used 11:04:55 <KUDr_wrk> i'll do that 11:05:15 <izhirahider> in the game :) 11:06:08 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 11:06:56 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 11:06:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 11:09:17 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 11:09:50 <Tron> /** return the closed node specified by a key or NULL if not found */ 11:09:51 <Tron> FORCEINLINE Titem_& FindClosedNode(const Key& key) 11:09:59 <Tron> this makes no sense 11:10:08 <Tron> NULL and references don't mix 11:10:58 <KUDr_wrk> why? 11:11:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:11:29 <Tron> a reference _always_ refers to an object 11:11:38 <KUDr_wrk> or to NULL 11:11:40 <Tron> NO 11:11:42 <Tron> NEVER 11:11:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:11:45 <Tron> i cannot 11:11:59 <KUDr_wrk> Titem_& I = *(Titem_*)NULL; 11:12:05 <Tron> this is INVALID 11:12:05 <KUDr_wrk> this works 11:12:12 <Tron> read my lips: 11:12:14 <Tron> IT IS INVALID 11:12:35 <KUDr_wrk> uhh 11:12:40 <KUDr_wrk> ok, but it works 11:12:46 <KUDr_wrk> so let it be please 11:12:46 <Tron> no, it doesn't 11:13:03 <KUDr_wrk> it does 11:13:07 <KUDr_wrk> try it 11:13:08 <Tron> it's perfectly fine for the compiler to assume that a reference is valid 11:13:17 <KUDr_wrk> true 11:13:20 <Tron> in fact assuming anything else makes no sense 11:13:21 <KUDr_wrk> for compiler 11:13:50 <KUDr_wrk> but tests to null are not ommited 11:13:56 <Tron> WRONG 11:14:02 <Tron> plain wrong 11:14:07 <Tron> what you're telling is simply wrong 11:15:10 <Mucht> KUDr_wrk has the choice of weapons I guess 11:15:39 <KUDr_wrk> what should i tell you? If it is wrong, then it is wrong. But if it works, then it works. 11:15:43 <KUDr_wrk> and it does 11:15:48 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:59 <KUDr_wrk> you know specs much better than me 11:16:05 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-205.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:16:08 <KUDr_wrk> so it is your area 11:16:15 <Tron> fix it 11:16:21 <Tron> it may break any moment 11:16:25 <KUDr_wrk> there is nothing to fix 11:16:29 <KUDr_wrk> ahh 11:16:41 <Tron> void f(int& x) { if (&x != NULL) { ... } } 11:16:49 <Tron> the compiler may optimise this if away 11:17:02 <KUDr_wrk> hmm 11:17:53 <Tron> because a reference can only refer to a) valid objects, then it is guaranteed to be not "nowhere" or b) the referecne is invalid, then the behaviour is undefined 11:18:09 <Tron> therefore optimising this away is perfectly valid 11:18:22 <Tron> (i don't know if gcc is clever enough for this, probably not) 11:18:29 <KUDr_wrk> NULL == "nowhere" ? 11:18:45 <Tron> null is one kind of nowhere 11:19:00 <Tron> every invalid reference is 11:19:04 <Tron> 0 is just one of them 11:19:21 <KUDr_wrk> i think 0 is a valid reference 11:19:28 <KUDr_wrk> same as pointer 11:19:29 <Tron> no, it is not 11:19:41 <Tron> pointers are NOT references 11:19:49 <Tron> references are NOT pointers 11:20:07 <Prof_Frink> mr points at a reference 11:20:17 <KUDr_wrk> do they differ also by something else than this optimizations? 11:20:19 <Prof_Frink> s'mr'/me' 11:20:20 * Born_Acorn references a point 11:20:32 <Tron> their semantics is different 11:20:35 <Tron> clearly 11:20:49 <Tron> there are no operations which act on references, except initialising them 11:20:49 <KUDr_wrk> different? 11:21:02 <KUDr_wrk> aha so they are const 11:21:03 <KUDr_wrk> yes 11:21:32 <KUDr_wrk> but i don't need anything else then assigne them once 11:21:46 <KUDr_wrk> so any other differences? 11:21:59 <Tron> read a C++ book 11:22:06 <KUDr_wrk> i try 11:23:35 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has joined #openttd 11:24:23 <roboboy> gnight 11:24:37 <Tron> I'm talking about C++ references, of course. Java is different. Their "referenes" are just pointers without arithmetics. 11:24:49 *** roboboy is now known as robobed 11:27:05 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 11:28:53 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F1A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:32:50 * peter1138 idly looks at http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/references.html 11:34:32 * Born_Acorn idly idles 11:34:35 <Born_Acorn> in idle. 11:37:14 * peter1138 jams Born_Acorn's throttle at 12000rpm 11:37:24 * Born_Acorn melts slowly 11:41:11 <peter1138> you mean you're not a wankel engine? hmm... 11:41:30 <peter1138> http://www.colinbeske.com/wankel/images/norbye_237.jpg ... now that is strange looking 11:41:41 <Prof_Frink> hehe, 'wankel' 11:48:11 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC4F88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:49:10 *** Speaker [~hgh@c-212-031-167-016.cust.thalamus.net] has quit [] 11:49:32 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:54:01 *** lws|Away is now known as lws1984 11:56:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:56:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:57:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:57:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:00:12 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Work 12:00:24 *** A1win [a1win@loota.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:00:51 *** A1win [a1win@loota.fi] has joined #openttd 12:02:43 <CIA-1> KUDr * r7146 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -CodeChange: ST_CONST macro removed as it is no longer needed (Tron) 12:02:43 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06:09 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:32 *** toresbe [~tsb@user.skolelinux.no] has joined #openttd 12:07:35 <toresbe> hello :) 12:08:01 <peter1138> hi 12:08:24 <toresbe> Does enabling the patch for "realistic load times" on stations increase or decrease load times? 12:09:03 <peter1138> never heard of that patch option 12:09:25 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 12:10:56 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [] 12:12:32 <toresbe> "Use improved loading algorithm" is the exact text 12:12:50 <peter1138> ok 12:13:20 <peter1138> that has nothing to do with realism, nor load times 12:13:20 *** robobed [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:11 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-149-18.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:19:35 <toresbe> peter1138: oh? What does it do? 12:20:05 <peter1138> makes only one vehicle in a station load at a time 12:20:22 <peter1138> instead of it being shared out 12:20:37 <toresbe> ah 12:20:45 <toresbe> makes sense, I guess. 12:36:22 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39:02 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:17 * peter1138 sighs 12:42:08 <Patrick_> aaahahaha, a magpie that memorised modem noises 12:45:23 <peter1138> gah, stupid forums 12:50:49 <toresbe> Patrick_: brilliant :) 12:58:15 *** Ben_robbins_ [~Ben@82.152.217.111] has joined #openttd 13:05:37 *** Ben_123 [~Ben@82.152.202.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:26 *** PigCell [~PigCell@dslb-088-073-245-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:14 *** PigCell [~PigCell@dslb-088-073-245-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 13:32:06 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 13:41:26 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:41:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:43:00 <CIA-1> KUDr * r7147 /trunk/yapf/ (hashtable.hpp nodelist.hpp yapf_base.hpp yapf_costcache.hpp): -CodeChange: Don't use references if they can refer to NULL (Tron) 13:45:41 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1096717628.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 13:45:49 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1096717628.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 13:49:32 <peter1138> are we going to fix this "Propeller / Jet / Helicopter" thing? 13:49:47 <peter1138> where fix is change the text or remove... 13:52:37 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:52:49 <Prof_Frink> peter1138: call it "Aircraft class" and have Small/Large/VTOL 13:52:53 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-212.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 13:55:50 <peter1138> i'd rather it wasn't ther 13:55:51 <peter1138> +e 13:57:00 <Born_Acorn> Well, it's handy for small airports. 14:02:39 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:07:04 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 14:09:01 *** Gorre [dik@ip-89-102-198-103.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 14:09:05 <Gorre> ...morning. 14:09:14 *** Zevensoft [~Zevensoft@220-253-48-201.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:09:32 <Belugas> Hello Gorre :) 14:09:58 <Gorre> Belugas! Hi! 14:25:19 *** helb|school is now known as helb 14:36:54 *** imachine [imachine@mc2-p010.mc2.chalmers.se] has joined #openttd 14:36:56 <imachine> heyah 14:37:13 <imachine> i was wondering, if i saw the new menus only on sshots or in actual gameplay 14:37:28 <imachine> i thought the current stable ver has the new menus? 14:37:31 <imachine> 32bit or so 14:37:47 <hylej> not really 14:38:28 <imachine> isee 14:38:32 <imachine> so how can i enable that 14:38:42 <imachine> i also saw some terrain improvements, smoothing the hills out etc 14:38:47 <imachine> is that avail on 0.4.8 ? 14:39:06 <hylej> theres some hill stuff improved, but not graphically 14:39:18 <imachine> not to brag or be a cunt, but i member ttd has not improved much over such long time as 0.3.7 or so 14:39:29 <imachine> at least not visually ;d 14:39:41 <glx> new terrain generator will be in 0.5.0 14:39:44 <imachine> is there some magical 32bit change coming on into ? 14:39:47 <imachine> oh cool 14:39:52 <imachine> how about alltaken, he still away? 14:40:02 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:04 <hylej> 32bits-per-pixel stuff is still coming up 14:40:05 <glx> 32bpp is not finished yet 14:40:20 <imachine> any way i could help? 14:40:25 <imachine> i guess i could paint something 14:40:26 <imachine> ;p 14:40:31 <hylej> its the code part :p 14:40:34 <imachine> oic 14:40:34 <imachine> ;] 14:40:41 <PandaMojo> visuals are overrated 14:40:44 <imachine> that;s crap i can't code 14:40:45 <imachine> ;p 14:40:55 <imachine> PandaMojo, hehe yeah but i'm tired of ttd graphics 14:41:07 <imachine> i would love to see th new onesespecially since i seen the sshots 14:41:08 <hylej> go make yer newgrfs :P 14:41:08 <PandaMojo> Well, you can play around with newgrfs 14:41:25 <imachine> yeaaaaah... which btw would be cool if it was included in the mainstream version 14:41:26 <Gorre> Yeah, visuals are overrated unless you are forced to erite 666+ kbs of code to make one damn bus to move ... 14:41:29 <imachine> has anyone thought about it? 14:42:02 <PandaMojo> ...you mean packaging some newgrfs along with it? 14:42:03 <imachine> its sorta painful to dig about wikis and check which graphics work together,which dont, which break which are buggy etc 14:42:06 <imachine> yeah 14:42:08 <imachine> ;p 14:42:10 * PandaMojo shrugs 14:42:16 <imachine> at least the 100% working and stable ones 14:42:26 * PandaMojo just downloaded OpenTTDCoop's newgrf set and is using that 14:42:28 <hylej> it could be cool to start replacing ttd graphics with public domain/gpl compatible stuff 14:42:41 <imachine> i really loved the new menus 14:42:42 <imachine> :) 14:42:53 <imachine> wickedstuff 14:43:07 <Prof_Frink> hylej: Get Pikka to gpl his stuff and you're half way there 14:43:59 <imachine> who's/what's pikka ? 14:44:23 <Prof_Frink> Pikka, creator of UKRS, HOVS and AV8 14:44:23 <imachine> ok so anyway, what newgrf you guys recommend then? 14:44:29 <imachine> :o 14:44:30 <Prof_Frink> See above 14:44:32 <imachine> ok 14:44:42 <Prof_Frink> And NewShips 14:44:47 <hylej> all we really need is new terrain and house graphics 14:45:04 <Prof_Frink> Houses -> TTRS 14:45:04 <hylej> rest can be negotiated 14:45:31 <Zevensoft> 32bpp is not needed yet 14:45:47 <Zevensoft> not until newgrfs anyway 14:46:13 <hylej> eventually all we got is newgrf 14:46:26 <Zevensoft> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/double2way_to_single2way_163.png <- this filter only works in 8bpp 14:48:12 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37E13.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:48:52 <Gorre> The roofs look very detailed 14:48:57 <Gorre> Unlike the rest :) 14:52:00 <peter1138> 14:41 < imachine> not to brag or be a cunt, but i member ttd has not improved much over such long time as 0.3.7 or so 14:52:06 <peter1138> ttd hasn't changed at all 14:52:16 <peter1138> openttd and ttdpatch have 14:53:12 * peter1138 wonders what "new menus" are 14:55:29 <Brianetta> peter1138: NFO encoded menus? 14:55:35 <peter1138> o_O 14:55:49 <Brianetta> new <anything> seems to refer to newgrf 14:55:52 <Tron> the name clearly must be "magic menus" 14:56:00 <Brianetta> Tron: Of course! 14:56:02 <peter1138> yeah, like new pathfinder... 14:56:07 <Brianetta> magic pathfinder 14:56:08 <hylej> magic pathfinder 14:56:15 <imachine> peter1138, don't catch my tongue please 14:56:22 <imachine> aye indeed, i meant openttd 14:56:23 <Sacro> zomgbridges! 14:56:30 <hylej> zomgpathfinder 14:56:32 <hylej> :o 14:56:35 <hylej> zomggrf 14:56:41 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has joined #openttd 14:56:45 <Brianetta> woah!grfs 14:56:56 <imachine> and by new menus i meant menus in the top of the screen that have new icons 14:57:01 <imachine> and a re generally much nicer 14:57:01 <Prof_Frink> holymolytunnels 14:57:04 <Sacro> hylej: i say we have zomg in openttd,use that as a prefix instead of new 14:57:15 <hylej> s/new/zomg/g/ 14:57:16 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: ooh, i must say i do like holymoly 14:57:19 <hylej> oops 14:57:21 <hylej> s/new/zomg/g 14:57:21 <peter1138> so icons, not actually menus 14:57:23 <Brianetta> hylej: Too many / 14:57:37 <imachine> peter1138, so icon menus 14:57:39 <Brianetta> Besides, you need: 14:57:40 <Sacro> peter1138: holymolycargos! 14:57:41 <Zevensoft> zomgpf 14:57:44 <Brianetta> %s/new/zomg/g 14:57:45 <imachine> in top of screen. 14:57:46 <peter1138> well, feel free to change the icons, heh 14:57:51 <hylej> good thing taht i have a regexp parser here 14:57:53 <Sacro> Zevensoft: sounds like you walked into a tree 14:57:55 <imachine> peter1138, it's already been done 14:58:01 <imachine> i saw them on the forums 14:58:27 <Prof_Frink> imachine: Probably not 'done', probably mocked up. 14:58:36 <imachine> probably i don't know 14:58:47 <imachine> probably looked like normal icons in a screenshot of a normal game 14:58:51 <imachine> no idea otherwise mate 14:58:56 <Sacro> hmm.. i think egladil had some mockups 14:59:05 <imachine> that could be him 14:59:12 <imachine> /her 14:59:19 <peter1138> i'd rather mess around with interesting features 14:59:25 <peter1138> anyone can change a sprite... 14:59:26 <imachine> such as? 14:59:36 <peter1138> well, since 0.3.7? quite a lot 14:59:40 <imachine> oh someone could fix the AI 14:59:45 <imachine> if it's not fixed yet 14:59:51 <imachine> fix+finish 14:59:57 <imachine> reckon that interesting? 15:00:03 <hylej> theres an ai project somewhere 15:00:04 <peter1138> no :) 15:00:11 <imachine> what gives ;) 15:00:12 <egladil> Sacro: they were real 15:00:17 <imachine> aha 15:00:19 <imachine> score 15:00:27 <imachine> egladil, so how would i set those up over here? 15:00:30 <imachine> (0.4.8) 15:00:32 <Sacro> egladil: not silicone? 15:00:42 <imachine> heh 15:00:51 <egladil> imachine: that wouldn't work, as they were 32bpp 15:00:55 <Sacro> what happened to openttd.gpmi? 15:01:08 <imachine> egladil, so what would i require then, a 32bpp engine? 15:01:08 <egladil> and also a new size than the old ones 15:01:11 <Sacro> egladil: does that multipatch build have working 32bpp? 15:01:28 <imachine> i don;t know how well 32 bpp is yet done, nor do i know what's required to do it 15:01:36 <egladil> multipatch build? 15:01:37 <imachine> i haven't been interested in openttd for quite a while must say 15:01:59 <peter1138> egladil: some russian has decided to put a load more patches together on top of the miniin 15:02:06 <peter1138> egladil: including 32bpp, bridges, etc 15:02:22 <peter1138> but strangely lacking utf8... which i would've thought quite useful for a russian... but who knows 15:02:43 <CIA-1> glx * r7148 /branches/MiniIN/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [MiniIN][Physics] -Fix: use 76/255 as default TE ratio if TE ratio is not set by grf (hertogjan) 15:02:46 <egladil> ok 15:03:13 <Sacro> peter1138: perhaps utf-8 made it excessivly big... 15:03:14 <peter1138> i somehow doubt they've finished off the 32bpp stuff though :) 15:03:28 <Tron> i'd be very glad if somebody would delete it into oblivion. it plain smells like a conglomerate of trouble 15:03:46 <imachine> the 32bnpp? 15:06:27 <Ben_robbins_> egladil: I have a sprite I can't make work... its .png like all the rest 15:06:46 <egladil> hmm? 15:07:07 <Ben_robbins_> its the tubular bridge, and has seethrew, and semi seethrew sections all over 15:07:33 <peter1138> through 15:07:35 <Tron> that sounds familar 15:07:41 <peter1138> alternatively, translucent... 15:09:39 <Tron> the name isn't spr2563.png, is it? 15:13:52 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-8116.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 15:13:52 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:44 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:18:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 15:24:15 <peter1138> heh 15:26:44 <Tron> huh 15:26:55 <peter1138> hah 15:27:16 <Prof_Frink> hoh 15:27:29 <Sacro> hih? 15:27:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> höh 15:28:11 <Sacro> hæh? 15:28:17 <Jhs> høh? 15:28:26 <peter1138> you can stop now 15:29:09 <Sacro> but... :( awww 15:30:26 <Prof_Frink> hyh 15:41:04 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:34 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-213-177.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 15:55:36 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F21A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:59:41 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:07 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37E13.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 16:03:24 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 16:12:28 <Darkvater> alo' 16:12:48 <peter1138> you again? 16:12:52 <Belugas> hey there 16:12:57 <Belugas> he left? 16:13:01 <glx> hi 16:13:12 <Darkvater> I was eh...not really around :) 16:13:45 <Darkvater> so. what did I miss today? 16:14:13 <peter1138> me 16:14:41 <peter1138> is it wrong to reply to questions with just a wiki url? 16:15:18 <Prof_Frink> peter1138: Yes. Use a fuckinggoogleit.com url instead. 16:15:26 <peter1138> heh 16:15:52 <Darkvater> :O today's topic has a wiki URL? 16:15:53 <Darkvater> cool :) 16:18:12 <Darkvater> he, I replied to the banker guy that mailed me yesterday..stressing severly that we do not have PDA's to test on, silently hoping he'd take the hint...but alas 16:18:25 <peter1138> :) 16:18:37 <Darkvater> damn those spaniards 16:20:39 *** kdr [~materi@h-85-24-203-79.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:21:37 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=518279#518279 16:21:41 <Darkvater> does this parse? 16:23:30 <peter1138> it's a bjarni-ism 16:23:36 <peter1138> using "got" instead of "have" 16:24:23 <Darkvater> thats till makes no sense 16:24:31 <Darkvater> 'I have backup'! 16:24:32 <Darkvater> for what? 16:24:47 <peter1138> a brain, perhaps 16:24:49 <peter1138> though it's unlikely 16:25:03 <Darkvater> :D 16:25:36 <Darkvater> eureka! I have a brain! 16:25:57 <Tron> do you have a pinky, too? 16:26:14 <Darkvater> narf 16:26:17 <Tron> zort 16:27:40 <Brianetta> norf 16:27:41 <Brianetta> tart 16:30:16 <Tron> are you pondering what i'm pondering? 16:30:36 <peter1138> depends 16:30:47 <Darkvater> yes brain, but why are windows red? 16:30:56 <peter1138> are you thinking about everyone giving lots of money to me? 16:33:39 <Belugas> me not.. me thinking food 16:33:47 <peter1138> ahh 16:33:55 <peter1138> are you thinking about everyone giving lots of food to me? 16:36:13 <Belugas> heheh 16:36:38 <Belugas> by the time my shipment arrives, you'd be skinnier ;) 16:37:19 <peter1138> i doubt it 16:41:36 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-4103.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42:04 <peter1138> interesting 16:42:23 <peter1138> DaleStan: is PEiD accurate 16:42:36 <peter1138> afaik YAPF won't compile under MSVC 6... 16:43:53 <DaleStan> peter1138: No clue. I suspected a packed exceutable as soon as I saw the size, googled for "executable unpacker", and ran with the first download I found that looked reliable 16:43:54 <Darkvater> we already knew that didn't we? 16:44:17 <peter1138> hmm? 16:44:35 <Darkvater> that vs6 wont' compile 16:44:57 <DaleStan> I suspect that the MSVC6 report is for the unpacker, and the overlay is the compressed OpenTTD code 16:45:06 <Darkvater> oh good job bjarni calling WE_INVALIDATE_DATA for windows that don't even exist o_O 16:45:07 <peter1138> ah, that could be it 16:45:20 <Belugas> peter1138, did nt said skiny! I know it would be a tough call ;) 16:53:41 * peter1138 wonders how much memory simutrans uses up for all its graphs 17:03:45 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 17:04:38 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has joined #openttd 17:06:37 <hylej> its fairly ridiculous that oil platforms can be serviced by *drumroll* trains 17:07:05 <Tron> old news is old 17:09:31 <Born_Acorn> There should be a new feature preventing it! I shall learn to code and code it! 17:09:36 <Born_Acorn> ETA : 45 years! 17:10:05 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: in time for Vista then? 17:10:16 <Born_Acorn> Or phpbb3! 17:10:22 <Born_Acorn> or Duke Nukem Forever! 17:10:28 <Born_Acorn> hmm. nah, that's too far. 17:19:17 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B36468.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:24:32 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:20 <Brianetta> BYE! 17:25:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 17:26:41 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-4103.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 17:26:46 <CIA-1> miham * r7149 /trunk/lang/ (estonian.txt portuguese.txt turkish.txt): 17:26:46 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-11-14 18:26:05 17:26:46 <CIA-1> estonian - 1 fixed by vermon (1) 17:26:46 <CIA-1> portuguese - 22 fixed by izhirahider (22) 17:26:46 <CIA-1> turkish - 2 fixed, 8 changed by jnmbk (10) 17:28:37 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 17:29:50 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1096717628.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 17:30:09 <xyz> hi, what is the command to set an auto replace for a vehicle? 17:30:10 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [] 17:30:35 <xyz> and is there a function that counts the total number of a player vehicles? 17:30:46 <xyz> just engines 17:32:37 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:03 <izhirahider> woohoo 17:41:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'd suggest you look at the autoreplace gui code 17:42:14 <Patrick_> yes, but why would that be in the gui code? 17:42:20 <Patrick_> oh, you mean the first part 17:43:19 <xyz> found the autoreplace code 17:44:00 <izhirahider> 16 completed translations, 14 unfinished, where 5 of these 14 have less than 17 untranslated items 17:44:51 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 17:47:20 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176102241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:47:49 *** ufoun [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:29 <Sacro> peter1138: ping 17:53:00 <peter1138> pong 17:53:12 <Sacro> from the multipatch "something about what I have forgotten is possible still (like cyrillic support with newgrf file -- remove line «russian.grf» from config file to disable it) " 17:53:23 <peter1138> what about it? 17:53:24 <Sacro> that sounds quite like utf-8 17:53:26 <peter1138> it's not 17:53:40 <Sacro> ah, just direct grf glyph replacing? 17:54:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is more like replacing the codepage with the east-european one 18:00:04 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:00:40 <Wolf01> evening 18:01:12 <Sacro> lies 18:02:54 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:46 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1096717628.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 18:07:11 <glx> Wolf01: ping 18:07:31 <Wolf01> glx: ping timeout 18:08:00 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F1A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:00 <glx> I have a question about your join-station patch 18:08:25 <glx> why did you duplicate your select_station window 4 times ? 18:11:13 <Wolf01> uhm... is not my patch, is only a mine idea, ask frostregen :P 18:13:38 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 18:14:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:14:59 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 18:15:54 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-8116.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: g2g] 18:20:11 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 18:25:53 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E243.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:27 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B36468.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 18:29:09 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 18:31:48 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0D322.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:33:08 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:46 <KUDr> Darkvater: how to proceed with http://bugs.openttd.org/task/279 ? 18:39:00 <KUDr> commit and do it for SDL too? 18:40:26 <hylej> yeah, improve input plz 18:40:52 <KUDr> hylej: what OS you use? 18:41:49 <hylej> linux 18:42:44 <KUDr> ok, so please test http://bugs.openttd.org/task/279 patch that it still works as before (i dunno if i didn't break anything under linux) 18:42:49 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:43:01 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:43:01 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 18:43:06 <KUDr> then i can commit and do the same for SDL 18:45:10 <hylej> hm, i has problems with patching 18:45:33 <KUDr> what problem? conflicts? 18:46:56 <hylej> no, i just did it wrong 18:47:08 <hylej> patched now and making 18:47:17 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2SupCom 18:47:26 <KUDr> aha, you need Windoze and TortoiseSVN like me :) 18:47:52 <glx> windows without tortoise works too :) 18:48:10 <KUDr> glx, yes, but then no benefit 18:48:27 <KUDr> then you can use linux 18:48:38 <glx> less cpu usage in explorer 18:48:45 <KUDr> if you know how to work with command line 18:48:54 <KUDr> true 18:48:59 <hylej> :o 18:49:25 <KUDr> i am only stupid mouse clicking user so i need tortoise 18:49:46 <hylej> i liek bash 18:51:06 <Born_Acorn> Well, bash haets you. 18:51:18 <Born_Acorn> I'm sorry to be the one that must break the news. 18:52:32 <hylej> :< 18:55:20 *** ufoun [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 19:02:38 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 19:07:40 *** ufoun [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has left #openttd [] 19:13:43 <toresbe> Is there any save game editor for openttd available? 19:13:55 <toresbe> I really really want to run this damn competitor bankrupt 19:14:11 <hylej> use cheats 19:14:14 <KUDr> toresbe: use cheat 19:14:21 <KUDr> heh 19:14:23 <toresbe> she's built these fucking trains crisscrossing EVERYWHERE now, it's almost impossible to build anything 19:14:26 <toresbe> what cheats? 19:14:26 *** orudge` [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:14:41 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:47 *** orudge` is now known as orudge 19:15:41 <toresbe> wow, neat 19:15:54 <toresbe> now I feel like building an even more optimal system with all the cash that could get me :) 19:16:17 <Patrick_> toresbe: shoot me the save? it sounds fun 19:16:19 <Patrick_> or us 19:16:25 <Patrick_> stick it on some forum or something 19:16:35 <Patrick_> I'll give her what-for! 19:17:26 <toresbe> I just deleted the save :) 19:17:32 <toresbe> Low on disk space, starting anew 19:21:44 <Patrick_> aww 19:21:55 <Patrick_> but ... if you need to delete a save to save disk space, you got bigger problems 19:23:52 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp24-61.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:23:53 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B36468.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:29:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Guest52835))] 19:29:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:32:26 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has joined #openttd 19:32:52 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-8116.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 19:35:13 *** Patrick_ [pitt2@saturn.retrosnub.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:57 *** CaptObvious [~CaptObvio@cpc2-darl2-0-0-cust28.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:38:45 *** qfh [~qfh@static-ip-62-75-161-163.inaddr.intergenia.de] has quit [Quit: Quit] 19:50:59 *** CaptObvious [~CaptObvio@cpc2-darl2-0-0-cust28.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Quitting!] 19:51:18 *** qfh [~qfh@static-ip-62-75-161-163.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #openttd 19:53:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Guest52835))] 19:53:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:54:47 *** lws|Work is now known as lws1984 19:55:29 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2E62E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:56:50 *** webfreakz [~Ronald@195.73.147.226] has joined #openttd 19:56:53 <webfreakz> hi 19:57:01 <Gorre> morning 19:57:04 <webfreakz> anyone here who could answer some C programming questions? :) 19:57:24 <KUDr> webfreakz: try it 19:57:29 <webfreakz> :D 19:57:32 <KUDr> we'll see 19:57:59 <webfreakz> what does #5.2f do in a prinft-statement? 19:57:59 <webfreakz> i know it has something to do with floats but what does the number 5 stand for? 19:58:18 <Tron> it prints the characters #5.2f 19:58:22 <KUDr> really #?, not %? 19:58:27 <Tron> you probably mean %5.2f 19:58:34 <webfreakz> #5.2f 19:58:39 <webfreakz> hm 19:58:48 <webfreakz> my sheet says "#5.2f" 19:58:59 <Tron> which sheet? 19:59:00 <Gorre> Its a channel name you are supposed to /join ... 19:59:00 <webfreakz> well that's wrong then 19:59:05 <webfreakz> :P 20:02:04 <webfreakz> Tron: does %5.2f print a 5 decimal float with the comma on the 3th position? e.g ##.##? 20:02:28 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2E485.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:05 <Tron> almost 20:03:22 <Tron> 5 is just a minimum field width 20:03:55 <webfreakz> so ##.## is valid? 20:04:27 *** Patrick_ [~pitt2@saturn.retrosnub.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:04:30 <Tron> as i said: it's just a minimum width 20:04:47 <Tron> printf("%5.2f\n", 1234567890.); will print 20:04:51 <Tron> 1234567890.00 20:05:00 <webfreakz> ok 20:05:42 <webfreakz> well i thought that only numbers as 23.49 and 12.91 were valid. And 123.45 weren't 20:05:52 <webfreakz> but i'm wrong :) 20:06:05 <Tron> man 3 printf 20:06:27 <webfreakz> currently not on a *NIX platform :) 20:07:13 <DaleStan> webfreakz: cygwin and/or MSDN 20:07:50 <glx> or google for "man printf" 20:08:07 <Tron> webfreakz: use the intarwebz 20:08:14 <webfreakz> :P 20:09:21 <webfreakz> printf("%'.2f", 1234567.89); 20:09:21 <webfreakz> results in `1234567.89' in the POSIX locale, in `1234567,89' in the nl_NL locale, and in `1.234.567,89' in the da_DK locale. 20:09:45 <webfreakz> i won't forget this my whole life < i hope :P 20:13:01 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3DB24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:57 * toresbe wishes for a "make competitors extremely unpopular" cheat 20:14:23 <hylej> if its a computer, you can likely buy it out 20:14:32 <webfreakz> i recently made some cheats :) 20:15:37 *** fusey [~fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:52 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F289.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:03 <hylej> wut 20:17:32 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 20:18:40 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-212.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 20:19:59 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B36468.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^2] 20:24:21 *** Rens2SupCom is now known as Rens2Sea 20:34:51 <peter1138> oh dear 20:35:11 <peter1138> i just sat in front of the telly for nearly 2 hours 20:35:18 <peter1138> i think my brain dribbled out my ears 20:35:33 <hylej> quickly 20:35:34 <hylej> collect it 20:35:44 * webfreakz runs 20:35:46 <smeding> and drink it 20:35:51 *** Nigel [~Nigel@125-238-62-154.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #openttd 20:35:52 <smeding> mixed with cola. 20:36:00 <smeding> pure brain tastes like crap 20:37:11 <peter1138> you're experienced? 20:37:20 <webfreakz> :| 20:41:49 <smeding> naturally 20:41:58 <smeding> i have to be, being a zombie and all 20:42:15 <peter1138> o_O 20:42:51 <smeding> what, are you a lifecist? what does it matter if someone's alive, dead or undead :< 20:43:19 <smeding> actually, i just lied to impress you all :< 20:43:32 <peter1138> yeah, lying's really impressive 20:44:20 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@125-238-63-73.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #openttd 20:44:57 *** Nigel [~Nigel@125-238-62-154.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:45:09 <smeding> it is if people don't know if you're lying! 20:45:37 <kampasky> yeah, smeding is a dirty impostor and just damages the image of all us the true undeads 20:46:03 <hylej> burn in righteous fire 20:46:05 <peter1138> gah, desyncs 20:46:10 <peter1138> caused by kampasky no less 20:46:18 <hylej> wut 20:46:24 <peter1138> yes, his fault 20:46:36 <kampasky> transitively, perhaps 20:46:38 <kampasky> ;) 20:46:42 <peter1138> directly! 20:46:45 <peter1138> you made me test that grf 20:46:49 <kampasky> *g* 20:47:00 <kampasky> BTW it seems to work perfectly with that hack 20:47:02 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@125-238-63-73.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has quit [] 20:47:05 <hylej> HAX 20:47:20 <kampasky> any reason not to commit it? 20:47:26 <hylej> desyncs? 20:49:36 <CIA-1> glx * r7150 /branches/MiniIN/ (69 files in 6 dirs): [MiniIN] -Sync with trunk r7121:r7149 20:50:43 <hylej> sweet 20:56:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> dude, what's on my back? 20:57:48 <KUDr> hylej: do you have test result for me? 20:57:58 <hylej> oh, i forgot. i have the stuff built 20:58:10 <KUDr> :) 21:00:01 <hylej> what exactly should i test 21:00:07 <hylej> it seems to not be broken 21:00:21 <KUDr> this is enough 21:00:25 <KUDr> thanks 21:00:40 <KUDr> all inputs should work as before 21:01:12 <KUDr> here it works too (win32 with sdl driver) 21:01:31 <hylej> dont seem to notice missed keys 21:01:59 <KUDr> you'll not if not heavy cpu load from other apps 21:02:13 <KUDr> but it is not fixed for sdl 21:02:35 <peter1138> heh 21:02:53 <peter1138> just received a patch for a bug i reported so long ago i can't remember what it was 21:03:06 <KUDr> :) 21:03:37 *** Szandor [~2@host86-144-104-2.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:06:14 *** SchoolLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:06:40 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Purno has spoken] 21:07:13 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:14 <peter1138> hmm 21:08:18 <peter1138> Unable to use 'fonts/helvBO12.bdf' for medium font, FreeType reported error 0x3, using sprite font instead 21:08:35 <peter1138> 0x3 == FT_Err_Invalid_File_Format / "broken file" 21:08:41 * peter1138 wonders why... 21:09:15 <Tron> maybe it is ... broken? 21:09:36 <imachine> oi, 21:09:37 <imachine> rehi 21:09:40 <peter1138> Tron: that's one of the fonts from X 21:09:45 <peter1138> (source) 21:10:02 <imachine> http://homepage.mac.com/jbadcock/openttd/openttd.html 21:10:09 <imachine> that's the menus and stuff i was talking about before 21:10:29 <peter1138> icons 21:10:36 <hylej> zomg, rounded corner 21:10:36 <hylej> s 21:10:45 <imachine> anyone here might confirm or at least state a vague date for when one might wish to expect, or start getting worried when it will be incorporated into openttd? 21:10:48 <hylej> zomg, alpha blending 21:11:29 <imachine> now i know one should never worry 21:11:29 <hylej> zomg, SVG? 21:11:32 <imachine> but nonetheless 21:12:00 <imachine> i;d like to play openttd like that 21:12:11 <peter1138> with the icons, or with that whole gui? 21:12:13 <imachine> then incorporating new iconsets and buildings would prolly be just a matter of time 21:12:16 <hylej> it screams openttd2.0 21:12:20 <imachine> the whole gui mockup on the bottom 21:12:22 <hylej> rounded corners and all 21:12:24 <imachine> hylej, you reckon 21:12:25 <peter1138> ah 21:12:30 <imachine> that would be somewhat a long time i guess 21:12:32 <peter1138> then i wouldn't worry about that 21:12:36 <hylej> :p 21:12:42 <imachine> peter1138, but the icons were the ones i mentioned before. 21:12:46 <smeding> that's so web2.0 21:12:50 <peter1138> i wouldn't worry about them either 21:12:54 <hylej> "we jumped the version to 2 since we got rounded corners and alpha blending 21:12:55 <hylej> " 21:12:56 <imachine> peter1138, nonetheless, when do you think it might come up 21:13:01 <imachine> hehe 21:13:28 <imachine> i'm not deliberatly worried mate 21:13:31 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176102241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 21:13:32 <imachine> i'm just wondering 21:13:36 <imachine> ffs 21:13:40 <hylej> :> 21:13:56 <peter1138> personally i prefer the crisp sharp icons we already have 21:14:06 <peter1138> these 'new' icons are pretty blurry 21:14:10 <imachine> it's just that when i run the current stuff it's terrible when it comes up at 1024x768 and higher 21:14:18 <imachine> it's not ment to be run at this res. 21:14:24 <imachine> it's just too tiny for me. 21:14:45 <hylej> i find it just fine at 1600x1150 21:14:45 <peter1138> lower your resolution then, heh 21:14:45 <imachine> and i'm not talking whether it ought be crisp or not, but it certainly ought scale better and at least allow for clearer zooming in. 21:14:52 <imachine> peter1138, LCD screen :/ 21:15:00 <hylej> tft, 15" 21:15:00 <imachine> looks like crap on lower than 1280x1024 :) 21:16:19 <imachine> would be awesome to get the icons just like in the original dos version, on the line FILLING the top screen side, even at high res (ofcourse, possible to scale them down even at such res) 21:16:32 <hylej> yes, svg 21:16:41 <hylej> scalable vector graphics or so 21:16:48 <imachine> indeed that's the name 21:17:15 <imachine> all i'm saying is don't bash cause i see things 21:17:24 *** orudge` [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:17:39 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-8116.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: cya] 21:17:51 <imachine> things that are a sand-bead in the eye 21:17:53 <imachine> brb 21:18:02 <peter1138> it's not the size 21:18:28 <smeding> it's a question of methodology! 21:18:30 <smeding> ;p 21:20:06 <imachine> also 21:20:06 *** PigCell [~PigCell@dslb-088-073-245-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:10 <imachine> make a game too realistic 21:20:17 <imachine> and it will stop being a game in the first place 21:20:36 *** PigCell [~PigCell@dslb-088-073-245-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:21:03 <imachine> all those new trains and graphics yeah they are very cool, but i dont think chris did not include them all in his game without reason, and that reason certainly was not laziness 21:21:23 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:34 <imachine> the stations should automatically show what's being stacked on them 21:21:43 <imachine> they might also imply a 'max load' on them too. 21:22:06 <imachine> it would be as simple as either a passenger station or a cargo station 21:22:15 <imachine> mixing ofcourse to avail 21:22:16 <imachine> ;) 21:22:36 <imachine> do these ideas seem reasonable? 21:22:54 <peter1138> ... 21:22:57 <imachine> maybe i shouldn't spit it all out here, maybe there is some idea box to avail for the public i don't know about? :] 21:23:10 <peter1138> depends 21:23:10 <peter1138> what are you talking about? 21:23:21 <imachine> the route openttd development is taking 21:23:24 <imachine> i dont know about the insides 21:23:30 <imachine> i dont care im an end user 21:23:34 <peter1138> no, specifically 21:23:42 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-213-177.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 21:23:43 <imachine> well speciifically 21:23:56 <imachine> i gave you examples just a few lines above 21:24:14 <peter1138> we have stations that should what cargo is there. 21:24:22 <imachine> graphically? 21:24:25 <peter1138> yes 21:24:27 <imachine> i mean the newgrf 21:24:39 <imachine> oh, its included in which version? 21:24:43 <imachine> i have 0.4.8 21:25:01 <imachine> or is that newgrf you speak of 21:25:10 <DaleStan> 0.4.8's newgrf support is approximately as good as it's elrails code. 21:25:16 <peter1138> it's not in 0.4.8, no 21:25:20 <imachine> okay svn then 21:25:29 <DaleStan> Try the nightlies. 21:25:38 <peter1138> anyway, chris saywer didn't do half the things we do with graphics because he didn't have michael blunck 21:26:06 <imachine> well nonetheless, that will come out sometime soon. what about the station max capacity? 21:26:13 <imachine> peter1138, plus it ran smooth on my dx/2 21:27:36 <imachine> also a bit more into details would be cool... how about own r&d 21:27:48 <imachine> improving bus engines locally 21:27:53 <imachine> running costs 21:27:53 <imachine> etc 21:28:04 <imachine> trains also 21:28:12 <imachine> special wins say for 'fastest train avail' 21:28:18 <imachine> contests etc bollocks 21:28:34 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7151 /branches/utf8/fontcache.c: [utf8] -Codechange: Try to select a font's unicode charmap, and report FreeType's error code 21:28:57 <imachine> so far i see like openttd grows more hooks mostly, for outer code like newgrf to work and some random patches ;) 21:29:03 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F1A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:29:08 <imachine> well nonetheless. 21:29:15 <peter1138> 21:25 < imachine> i dont know about the insides 21:29:17 <imachine> good job guys i just think some stuff would be cool to get there 21:29:21 <imachine> yes ofcourse 21:29:30 <imachine> like i said, that is how i see it 21:29:41 <imachine> it does not equal how it is does it 21:29:41 <imachine> ;) 21:30:05 <imachine> it's just that, last time i played openttd was about 4.0.0 or 0.3.7 21:30:16 <Sacro> 4.0.0? 21:30:18 <imachine> not i check it out and it hasn't changed a lot,at least on the looks 21:30:22 <peter1138> Sacro: way in the future :) 21:30:24 <imachine> bleh, 0.4.0 ;) 21:30:52 <imachine> brainfart 21:31:01 <peter1138> the looks is one of the best parts... 21:31:10 <imachine> clearly 21:31:10 <peter1138> are 21:31:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> <hylej> it screams openttd2.0 <- yeah, let's skip openttd 1.0 ;) 21:31:37 <hylej> yes. 2.0 is more marketable than 1.0 too 21:31:47 <peter1138> OpenTTD 2007 21:31:48 <imachine> all i'm saying is 21:31:49 <peter1138> XP 21:31:53 <imachine> i love what you guys do 21:31:58 <imachine> but please please do more of it! :D 21:32:06 <imachine> i can send beer 21:32:13 <hylej> OpenTTD Vista 21:32:16 <hylej> :O 21:32:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> let's release right after DNF ;) 21:32:20 *** webfreakz [~Ronald@195.73.147.226] has left #openttd [] 21:32:29 <imachine> OpenTTD 3000 21:32:31 <hylej> OpenTTD Forever 21:32:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> and call it openttdforever 21:32:33 <imachine> now with SVG! 21:32:34 <imachine> ;p 21:33:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> or let's do openttd 3.1415926535898 21:34:01 <imachine> neverending story eh 21:34:16 <hylej> yeah, increase accuracy by 1 decimal each release 21:34:22 <hylej> TeX versioning :> 21:34:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> or let's take fermat primes... 21:36:32 <hylej> fibonacci? 21:36:42 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3DB24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 21:36:46 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:36:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 21:36:49 <hylej> but we'd get two version 1s 21:37:22 *** Nigel [~Nigel@125-238-63-115.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #openttd 21:37:43 *** orudge` [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:20 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 21:49:24 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:50:36 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:53:41 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B36468.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:29 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:41 <Wolf01> mmm i need the link of the site with the 32bpp pictures like the monorail and the terrain 22:05:50 <Wolf01> somebody remember it? 22:06:19 <peter1138> grrr, who keeps placing signals every tile o_O 22:06:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Guest52835))] 22:06:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 22:06:48 <Wolf01> ... 22:06:49 <Nigel> peter1138, annoying eh? 22:06:52 <peter1138> very 22:07:03 <Nigel> peter1138, tunnel under! 22:07:09 <Nigel> thats my favourite- 22:07:09 <peter1138> Nigel: it's a co-op game ;p 22:07:22 <Nigel> co-op game? 22:07:25 <peter1138> yeah 22:08:00 <Darkvater> flame him! 22:08:03 <Nigel> sounds fun 22:08:07 <peter1138> dunno who it is 22:08:20 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-205.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:29 <peter1138> Darkvater: so 22:12:12 <peter1138> damn, my stupid maglev route is profitable o_O 22:12:52 <Nigel> peter1138, haha 22:13:05 <Nigel> internet/network games are too slow 22:13:32 <peter1138> ish 22:13:37 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.5/2006091003]] 22:13:39 <peter1138> they're slow 1920 -> 1970 22:13:41 <peter1138> then suddenly 22:13:44 <peter1138> bam 22:13:47 <peter1138> it's 2010 22:13:56 *** Gorre [dik@ip-89-102-198-103.karneval.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:15:08 <Darkvater> peter1138: so? 22:15:26 <peter1138> do you fancy a minor merge? 22:15:49 <Darkvater> which minor merge would that be? 22:16:01 <peter1138> ut8f 22:16:06 <peter1138> in the correct order 22:16:24 <Darkvater> todo list worked down? :) 22:16:31 <Darkvater> but I very much fancy so 22:16:42 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-205.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:16:53 <peter1138> eh, most of it 22:17:22 <peter1138> - small font offsets are wrong, or at least unreadable 22:17:30 <peter1138> that was it showing the wrong characters, yeah? 22:17:53 <Darkvater> no, the offset, about 1 pixel too hgih 22:18:00 <peter1138> oh 22:18:00 <peter1138> hmm 22:18:13 <peter1138> 2 pixels actually 22:22:18 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC4F88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:02 <KUDr> hmm, svn is down? 22:28:28 <orudge> !seen tl 22:32:22 <Darkvater> KUDr: seems so 22:32:33 <KUDr> hmm 22:32:49 <KUDr> so it is not on my side 22:32:58 <orudge> Network issue 22:32:58 <Darkvater> crap, I seem to have screwed up scrolling with the z-array 22:33:00 <orudge> the whole datacentre is down 22:33:03 <orudge> or at least, our segment of it 22:33:10 <orudge> Also 22:33:13 <orudge> Anyone seen TrueLight recently? 22:33:20 <Darkvater> !seen weirdo 22:33:29 <Darkvater> he was around 22:33:30 <glx> not seen it today 22:33:37 <Darkvater> it ;p 22:33:55 <glx> anyway _42_ should be dead too :) 22:34:04 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 22:34:04 <orudge> !logs 22:34:19 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Dinner 22:34:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> if _42_ is dead, why is he still here? 22:34:37 <Wolf01> 'night 22:34:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:34:48 <glx> Eddi|zuHause3: wait for timeout 22:35:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> what's the timeout? 8 minutes? 22:35:40 <peter1138> sigh 22:35:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> shouldn't that already be now? 22:36:05 <peter1138> my whole online existence depends on these servers... 22:36:11 * peter1138 ponders getting out more ;p 22:38:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> "but where would that bring us? only away from here" (ST:9) 22:40:21 *** DorpsIdioot [truelight@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 22:40:26 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-253-200.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 22:41:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@81.171.99.142] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:16 *** _42_ [truelight@openttd.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:21 *** DorpsIdioot is now known as _42_ 22:41:23 *** Born_Aco_ [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 22:42:55 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 22:42:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r4.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:46:03 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:47 *** Born_Aco_ is now known as Born_Acorn 22:56:35 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:13:14 *** Bear [~IceChat7@pool-68-163-50-204.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:13:21 *** Bear [~IceChat7@pool-68-163-50-204.phil.east.verizon.net] has left #openttd [] 23:18:04 *** _42_ [truelight@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:12 <peter1138> nini 23:19:36 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r4.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:37 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:56 *** _42_ [truelight@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 23:22:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r4.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:23:10 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 23:24:08 *** lws|Dinner is now known as lws1984 23:29:05 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F1A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:08 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc31.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:01 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-253-200.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:01 *** Neonox_ [~Neonox@ip-80-226-253-200.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 23:35:27 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:36:21 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-139-168-76-170.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:42:24 *** Neonox_ [~Neonox@ip-80-226-253-200.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:19 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish]