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00:00:09 <SpComb> 1) spam people so much that they grow sick of it 2) spam people with a trojan that promises to "stop spam" 3) use the people that run that trojan to spam even more 00:00:59 <Kosma> it's all about the "security" 00:01:02 * SpComb has four computers plus a rented server in germany 00:01:14 <Kosma> windows pops up a warning that a program may be dangerous but users will just click "yes" 00:01:37 <Kosma> I have a colocated server in Nederlands plus endless number of shells 00:01:43 <Kosma> it's so annoying 00:01:45 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has joined #openttd 00:01:50 <Kosma> when you constantly have to fix them all 00:01:51 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 00:01:51 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has quit [] 00:02:13 <SpComb> I'm the main sysadmin of a group of three for my boarding school 00:02:33 <SpComb> don't get paid anything, don't get specific time to do stuff, no budget, etc 00:02:41 <Darkvater> gn all 00:02:44 <SpComb> it's not actually as good a thing as I thought it might have been 00:02:58 <SpComb> a ton of stupid things to fix and no intrest 00:03:15 <Kosma> how old are you btw? 00:03:22 <SpComb> although this evening I (gasp) plugged in one of the wireless access points that the power cable fell about about a month ago 00:03:28 <SpComb> I'd also noticed this fact a week or so ago 00:03:30 <SpComb> 17 00:03:56 <SpComb> (noticed, based on internal smokeping site) 00:04:18 <Kosma> man, being a sysadmin really sucks 00:04:32 <SpComb> esp. when you have to do it on your free time and with no pay or anything 00:04:39 <Kosma> even when you get paid it still sucks 00:04:50 <SpComb> occasionally it can be fun, but more often it's really stupid 00:05:04 <SpComb> although then there's fun stuff that can happen 00:05:11 <Kosma> because you exchange your precious time, your life and your friends for a command line and very little money ;) 00:05:20 <Kosma> okay, occasionally 00:05:33 <SpComb> like this one thing that happaned the other day to another sysadmin, some trainee pulled two disks out of a RAID5 array for some unknown reason 00:06:06 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 00:06:11 <Kosma> did you recovered it? :D 00:06:19 <SpComb> not me, but he did, yes 00:06:46 <SpComb> and this summer two of the hard drives in the RAID5 array in our server failed within three days of eachother (actually, I suspect the IDE controller did) 00:07:18 <SpComb> we had the new server that we intended to replace the old one with running, but we hadn't actually configured it yet (really annoying thing) 00:07:39 <SpComb> and I was the only one who was actually at school, and the network was down totally 00:07:58 <SpComb> spent a fun day or two recovering everything and setting up the new server 00:08:06 <Kosma> and got nothing 00:08:20 <SpComb> I did volunteer for this 00:08:20 <Kosma> am I right? ;] 00:08:30 <Kosma> it's nice to learn new things 00:08:50 <SpComb> but hey, I get this thing on my CV that says I was a sysadmin for a year at the age of 16/17 \o 00:09:06 <Kosma> yeah, that really counts 00:09:27 <Kosma> I got my first Cisco certificate when I was 17, but that doesn't count ;-) 00:09:27 <SpComb> and our network actually works quite well, and doesn't have any really blatant security holes or anything 00:09:48 <SpComb> but there there are these fun issues like the backup server's hard drive crashing 00:10:03 <SpComb> the backup daemon process is running in memory though, so as long as one doesn't reboot it it's fine 00:10:11 <Kosma> yeah 00:10:25 <SpComb> the hard drive has a fun number of bad blocks, I don't have very much faith in it rebooting very happily 00:10:25 <Kosma> it's just the experience that makes you learn how to prevent and react to such things 00:10:33 <SpComb> well, it's been running like that for a week or so now 00:10:57 <SpComb> need to salvage an old hard drive from somewhere that actually works and move the / partition over 00:12:08 <Kosma> is your network a non-profit one on does someone make cash out of it? 00:12:23 <SpComb> it's a school's network 00:12:32 <Kosma> okay, I see 00:12:34 <SpComb> the school is for-profit in some way, iirc, not quite sure 00:12:36 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has quit [Quit: J?iet prom] 00:12:47 <Kosma> yeah, but it's still a school's network 00:12:55 <Kosma> so when something fails it's not a huge disaster 00:13:08 <SpComb> my IRC dies :( 00:13:13 <SpComb> I've been on freenode for a month now! 00:13:22 <SpComb> well, in two days I will have 00:13:28 <Kosma> you see, there are thousands of ways for a server to dia 00:13:35 <Kosma> we had a FreeBSD machine 00:13:43 <Kosma> with a hundred accounts or so, commercial ones 00:13:51 <Kosma> and some day it just died, disappeared 00:14:01 <SpComb> disappeared? 00:14:12 <Kosma> it took us two days to figure out where the hell is it standing (all we knew was IP address and root password :D) 00:14:26 <Kosma> disappeared, I mean it stopped responding to pings 00:14:28 <SpComb> ehe 00:14:46 <Kosma> when we arrived on place, it turned out that someone accidentaly turned off the UPS... 00:14:51 <Kosma> we had 140 days of uptime 00:14:53 <Kosma> *sigh* 00:15:02 <SpComb> the one with the ethernet cable dissapearing into a hole in a brick wall where a small room used to be before the building got renovated? 00:15:34 <SpComb> our firewall had 363 days of uptime when we had this pre-announced 2.5 hour powerout 00:15:58 <Kosma> you could've tried a software suspend :D 00:16:00 <SpComb> oh, and after the power came back on, the NAT for the office failed to go back online by itself, and I never knew about this 00:16:14 <Kosma> yep 00:16:49 <Kosma> when machine is up for so long one just forgets to alter the initscripts to reflect the current configuration 00:16:52 <SpComb> fixed it in 5 minutes the next day when I got informed, but we got a small lecture about how we should at least tell them when something is wrong and when it'll be fixed 00:17:02 <SpComb> they complained about it to this one admin, but he failed to tell anyone else 00:17:46 <Kosma> this sucks 00:18:03 <Kosma> so the system was working flawlessly for one year and they got pissed off because of one day? ;] 00:18:25 <SpComb> well, the issue was that they complained about it, and then heard nothing about it until the next day 00:18:53 <Kosma> that's why it's important to choose the right person that should be notified about problems 00:19:05 * Kosma is such person in his company... *sigh* 00:19:12 <Kosma> I hate those phone calls 00:19:35 <SpComb> then there was the one office worker installing a fancy new networked laser printer into the other building's computer lab 00:19:52 <SpComb> issue was, it didn't have a password and had port 80 wide open to the outside world 00:20:06 <SpComb> told us about it a month later or so 00:20:30 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 00:20:58 <Kosma> you mean, anyone in the world could print on it? ;) 00:21:36 <SpComb> printers aren'y really the most security-oriented devices ever. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some remote code-execution thing in them 00:22:24 <Kosma> never thought about that 00:22:28 <Kosma> printer exploits, lol 00:22:37 <SpComb> entirely possible 00:22:53 <Kosma> yeah, they have cpu and firmware just like anything else 00:23:08 <SpComb> and even if you do have them firewalled from the net... it only takes one employee with their windows laptop that got infected with a million viruses at home to connect to your network... 00:23:16 <SpComb> they can run linux/windows themselves 00:24:35 <SpComb> and then they could do fun stuff like modify all documents that get printed, sending off copies of them all somewhere, printing out child porn, etc 00:25:05 <Kosma> printer security... 00:25:17 <SpComb> indeed 00:25:20 <Kosma> damn, you have a great knowledge 00:25:26 <SpComb> or the printers can be used to DDoS some place 00:25:41 <SpComb> well, there was an article about that on slashdot this morning 00:25:50 <SpComb> (although I was aware of the problem before that) 00:27:23 <Kosma> the world scares me 00:28:10 <SpComb> DRM, botnets, microsoft, spam, all very worrying things 00:28:12 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:28:25 <Kosma> DRM at the first place 00:28:34 <Kosma> it *really* scares me 00:28:39 <Kosma> let's talk about something more pleasant 00:28:43 <SpComb> botnets? :) 00:28:45 <Kosma> like transporting livestock to towns 00:28:46 <Kosma> okay? :D 00:29:16 <SpComb> http://www.honeynet.org/papers/bots/ 00:31:21 <Kosma> just remember one thing 00:31:32 <Kosma> if you try really hard *not* to think about something 00:31:38 <Kosma> it will probably just go away 00:31:56 <SpComb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses 00:32:10 *** mikl [~mikl@0x55514de1.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 00:32:27 <Sacro> SDBot is written in very poor C and also published under the GPL. 00:32:29 <Sacro> how nice 00:32:59 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x535ff04e.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 00:33:05 <SpComb> yeah, there's two bots, one that's very badly written, and very widely used, and another that's very well written, but nobody uses it 00:33:10 <SpComb> script kiddies are funny people 00:33:19 <SpComb> and it's also different from SpBotII *fumes* 00:34:56 <SpComb> a) it's written in python b) it's very nice c) it does nice things d) it's not yet complete 00:35:12 <SpComb> although they both do act as IRC bots and form a botnet (at least, SpBotII will, eventually) 00:38:17 <Kosma> why not write one yourself? 00:38:20 <Kosma> it's not that hard 00:38:35 <SpComb> one what? 00:38:38 <Kosma> bot ;) 00:38:45 <SpComb> http://spbot2.marttila.de/ 00:43:30 <Kosma> I regret I've ever asked 00:43:33 <Kosma> this stuff is evil ;) 00:53:32 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06:51 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176125010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 01:19:19 *** Xera is now known as xera 01:22:34 <Digitalfox> SpComb who wited SpBotII ?? You?? 01:22:44 <Digitalfox> *writed 01:22:55 <Bjarni> *wrote 01:23:04 <Digitalfox> Bjarni: Yeah.. :) 01:23:34 <SpComb> Digitalfox: yes, I'm the only person writing it 01:23:50 <Digitalfox> Nice project :) 01:25:15 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 01:25:28 <Belugas> hellooo all 01:25:30 <SpComb> thanks 01:25:38 * SpComb just has to figure out some issues and continue on it 01:26:28 <Digitalfox> SpComb: How mutch time have you already spend at this project? 01:27:20 <SpComb> some percentage of the christmas holidays 01:27:28 <SpComb> and a bit of time before and after 01:28:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> some people would do anything to avoid spending time with their family :p 01:29:24 <Sacro> Bjarni: ironic seeing you correcting english 01:36:24 <Kosma> Eddi|zuHause3: that's why computers do suck 01:36:35 <Kosma> they make you antisocial... 01:36:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, blame it on the computers 01:39:15 <Smoovious> do parameters for GRF files, _have_ to be used, and if I don't use them, how would that affect the GRF? 01:39:48 <Sacro> Smoovious: no, depends 01:40:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> Smoovious: usually, GRFs specify default parameters, which are used, when the parameters are not specified 01:41:11 <Kosma> Eddi|zuHause3: of course... the cigarettes are not bad, the people who smoke are... right? 01:41:23 <Kosma> but cigarettes do have warning labels on them and computers don't 01:42:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> this is a stupid discussion, that i will not go into 01:42:55 <Kosma> yeah, you're right 01:43:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> (especially since the original phrase was supposed to be sarcastic) 01:43:04 <Kosma> in fact I'd better go 01:43:33 *** Kosma [raidmaster@furniture.ommadawn.pl] has quit [Quit: :]] 01:44:19 <Smoovious> the GRF's in question are pb_av8w.grf and pb_nars.grf 01:44:38 <Sacro> Smoovious: ask him then 01:44:44 <Smoovious> ask who? 01:44:53 <Sacro> ah your not in #tycoon on quakenet 01:45:05 <Smoovious> nope 01:45:09 <Smoovious> on 4 networks already 01:45:21 <Sacro> welll Pikka has just gone in there 01:45:22 <Smoovious> no biggie... will just set em 01:47:53 <roboboy> does reliability drop to zero when trains get old? 01:48:28 <roboboy> peter1138 you just went bust 01:52:26 <roboboy> hello 01:53:11 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-78.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:57:56 <Sacro> rawr 01:59:13 <SpComb> hmm... that's an interesting question that I don't know how to answer myself: why do you write open-source code? 01:59:27 <SpComb> as in, why do you write source code and then release it for all to read & use? 02:01:02 <Sacro> *shrugs* 02:02:03 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:02:27 <Sacro> grrr, what kind of site issues times in Mexico Central Time 02:03:18 <SpComb> hehe 02:03:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FB14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04:22 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 02:11:20 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@h157253.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:11:38 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0CFDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:18:15 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0EA86.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:21:05 *** ufoun [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:30:58 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B762A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:26 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0CFDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:37:26 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B76561.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:43:01 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B762A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:43:24 *** iamaway [~mow@dtmd-4db5d723.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 02:44:40 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-60-227-105-136.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 02:47:51 *** roboboy_ [~leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:49:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7739B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:50:05 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-205-144.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:50:49 *** Davis` [~mow@dtmd-4db5c6df.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:51:56 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:52:39 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 02:57:53 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-60-227-105-136.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:02:03 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:43 *** roboboy_ [~leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:04:56 *** mikl [~mikl@0x55514de1.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 03:05:14 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 03:05:50 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-60-227-105-136.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 03:07:15 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-78.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 03:09:09 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]] 03:24:53 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:31:35 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-232-76.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:43:33 <Sacro> this signal system confuddles me 03:44:05 <Sacro> :o 03:44:09 <Sacro> Callers Graph ftuw 03:53:14 *** dp_ [~dp@p54B2D4C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:00:15 *** dp [~dp@p54B2D566.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:00:20 *** picitlama [~tudor@tomka.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:05:41 *** picitlama [~tudor@tomka.hu] has joined #openttd 04:15:05 * roboboy signlas Sacro 04:15:16 <Sacro> :o 04:15:23 * Sacro plays with hsi NOR signals 04:15:25 <roboboy> sinals 04:15:34 <roboboy> where 04:15:46 <roboboy> is this something on teh web youre reading? 04:15:53 <Sacro> ? 04:16:15 <roboboy> the stuff about signals you were talking about earlier 04:16:23 <Sacro> wah? 04:16:30 * Sacro is confuuuzed 04:16:48 <roboboy> this signal system confuddles me 04:17:10 <roboboy> <Sacro> this signal system confuddles me 04:18:00 <Sacro> yes 04:18:03 <Sacro> i was reading the code 04:19:50 <roboboy> ok 04:26:17 <Sacro> i created NOR signals :D 04:35:17 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-60-227-105-136.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:44:56 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp34-71.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 05:45:01 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp34-71.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [] 06:03:01 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 06:04:53 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 06:09:33 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 06:17:12 <Ailure> hehe ehehe mmh 06:18:31 <hylje> :o 06:18:35 <hylje> u r teh b 06:20:03 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:20:25 <Ailure> weer 06:24:42 <Ailure> mrew 06:24:48 <hylje> :O 06:27:24 <Ailure> !2na stats 06:27:26 <Ailure> eh 06:27:27 <Ailure> wrong channel 06:27:29 <Ailure> sdfd 06:31:33 <hylje> asdf 06:43:04 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3F78C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:49:26 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3EA07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:22:41 *** Giddorah [Archieboy@c-1a1d71d5.013-2011-68736410.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:37:18 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 07:49:58 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has joined #openttd 08:09:54 <DaleStan> MiHaMiX: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=543923#543923 <-- Korean translation. And the Translator's guide thread is AWOL. (As I mention in the following post.) 08:10:41 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-39-198.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:19:27 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has joined #openttd 08:19:28 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35:32 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 08:50:06 <peter1138> morning 08:51:03 <caladan> morning 08:53:12 <Tron> morning, peter1138 08:53:38 <Tron> should the "New $FOO" buttons in the vehicle lists be renamed to "Available $FOO"? 08:55:36 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84539.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:55:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:04:18 <peter1138> i think i mentioned that before 09:13:13 <KUDr> gm 09:20:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r8286 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Add: Korean translation by Ezi 09:20:33 <peter1138> morning kudr 09:21:01 <KUDr> morning 09:23:56 <DaleStan> peter1138: I realize it doesn't have exclusive access, but isn't the webtranslator the preferred tool? 09:24:13 <DaleStan> Of course, I can no longer find the thread that says that. 09:25:02 <peter1138> i imagine it's a lot more tedious for an initial translation 09:25:17 <peter1138> (but i don't know, i don't have any access to wt2) 09:27:10 <DaleStan> Translating around 3000 strings has got to be tedious no matter how you do it. 09:42:18 <Tron> it's way more convenient to do it in a simple text editor 09:44:28 <Tron> peter1138: ^M 09:45:05 <peter1138> poo 09:45:15 <Tron> 3116 of them (; 09:47:17 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7884B.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 09:47:46 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:49:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host98-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:49:50 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x5735579c.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:49:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r8287 /trunk/src/lang/korean.txt: -Fix (r8286): forgot to check for newline format, sorry... 09:51:08 <Wolf01> ello 09:51:39 <peter1138> bah, i need to go out :( 09:52:03 <Tron> be careful! high oxygen level, the daystar ... 09:53:49 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:56:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:02:14 *** wolfy [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 10:02:14 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:04:46 <peter1138> indeed 10:19:54 <Tron> something is fishy in CheckCompatibleRail() 10:23:19 <peter1138> return true? hmmm 10:25:55 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:29:11 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 10:31:55 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:33:47 <Tron> peter1138: no, the to compatible checks 10:36:56 <peter1138> oh 10:55:01 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@h157253.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:01:32 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:01:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 11:05:12 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #openttd 11:09:37 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 11:09:37 *** wolfy [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:21:42 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC73B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:25:36 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 11:26:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r8288 /trunk/src/video/cocoa_v.m: 11:26:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: [OSX] compiling with debug enabled now works again 11:26:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -This is once again an obj-C vs C++ issue. I need to make a nice and permanent solution soon, but I need the debugger right now 11:27:52 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0CFDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:34:11 *** Mizipzor [Mizipzor@c-8e6370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:42:42 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176125010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:45:08 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 11:45:54 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 11:49:14 <Maedhros> heh 11:49:35 * Maedhros has found out why the profit graph is so broken... 11:50:36 <Maedhros> GraphDrawer::cost is a uint64, but when drawing the graph each player's income and expenses are added together 11:51:03 <Maedhros> both of them are int32s, and it's quite possible for expenses to be more negative than income is positive, giving ridiculous values for cost 11:51:32 <Maedhros> e.g. Cost: 18446744073709550252, income: 2249, expenses: -3613 11:52:36 <Wolf01> where is the newhouses max version set? 11:54:05 <Maedhros> umm, what do you mean? 11:55:21 <Wolf01> i can't load a savegame since some time ago, so i want to try to increase the max version for the newhouses 11:56:26 <Wolf01> or i can restart again the game for the third time... 11:57:04 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has quit [Quit: J?iet prom] 11:57:14 <Maedhros> well, the savegame versions have increased several times, due to changes in trunk 11:58:22 <Wolf01> the version is set to 44 since i'm playing that game 11:58:40 <Wolf01> so something is changed but the savegame version was not increased 11:59:45 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 12:00:31 <Maedhros> yes, house ids and the grfids they correspond to were added to the savegame in r8064 12:02:47 <peter1138> Wolf01: branches are made to work with trunk savegame changes, not their own previous changes 12:02:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:34 <Maedhros> proposed fix for the profit graphs: http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/fix_profit_graph-r8287.diff 12:05:01 <Tron> hm, looks sensible. Are those casts necessary at all? 12:07:27 <Maedhros> gcc doesn't complain if i remove them 12:07:33 * Maedhros looks up when they were added 12:10:51 <Wolf01> peter1138, but a savegame made before a branch merge should work also after the branch merge 12:11:16 *** Naksu [naksu@anime.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:35 <Maedhros> only if that savegame was made in trunk 12:11:47 <Maedhros> savegames from branches aren't guaranteed to be compatible with anything 12:13:43 <Wolf01> is made in trunk! 12:15:35 <Maedhros> oh right, you mean you can't load trunk savegames in -newhouses? which revision was the trunk savegame made with? 12:15:42 <Maedhros> sorry, i completely misunderstood you there :) 12:16:49 <Wolf01> no, i can't load MAX_SAVEGAME_VERSION = 44 savegames in trunk 12:17:01 <peter1138> ... 12:17:34 <peter1138> what is this "MAX_SAVEGAME_VERSION" of which you speak? 12:17:36 <Wolf01> i say, something is changed but the savegame version is not increased 12:17:39 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:18:04 <Wolf01> extern const uint16 SAVEGAME_VERSION = 44; <- 12:18:49 <peter1138> so are you saying you can't load trunk games in trunk? 12:18:54 <Wolf01> yes 12:19:03 <peter1138> so where did new houses come into it? 12:19:04 <Maedhros> Tron: apparently the casts are necessary, because otherwise the operating profit graph becomes useless (although within the boundaries of the graph this time...) 12:19:44 <Wolf01> i read somewhere in the forum, maybe i misunderstood, but if isn't newhouses is something else 12:19:48 <Tron> uh, at least the last cast casts an int32 to an int64 just before assigning to int64 12:20:32 <peter1138> Wolf01: the question is, if you're loading trunk games into trunk, where does newhouses, or any other branch, come into it? 12:20:43 <Tron> also (int64)p->old_economy[j].company_value casts an int64 to an int64 12:21:17 <Wolf01> ok, is not newhouses, maybe is cpp branch, or something else 12:22:37 <peter1138> Wolf01: if any branch is involved, you're not loading trunk games into trunk.. 12:22:42 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has joined #openttd 12:22:53 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 12:22:53 <Wolf01> i can't understand you 12:23:31 <Wolf01> the game was made with 79xx, now is 82xx, i can't load it since 810x 12:25:14 <Wolf01> i only misunderstood a post in the forums where was wrote about a savegame error and newhouses 12:27:02 <Maedhros> ok, this works: http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/fix_profit_graph-r8287.diff 12:27:31 <Maedhros> i don't entirely understand why the remaining cast is required, though 12:31:05 <Tron> the problem is INVALID_VALUE 12:31:57 <Tron> it is 0x80000000, which usually is an unsigned int (because it does not fit into an int) 12:32:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84539.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 12:37:44 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-78.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 12:40:15 <Maedhros> hmm. what would be a better value for INVALID_VALUE then? 12:41:55 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387DF52.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:42:12 <Tron> something beginning with a (int64) probably 12:44:31 <Maedhros> bah, in which case old_x and old_y need to become int64s as well 12:44:56 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DF52.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:52:30 <Maedhros> how about this, then? http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/fix_profit_graph-r8287.diff 12:55:34 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x5735579c.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 12:55:42 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has joined #openttd 12:58:57 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-186-96.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:58:59 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-186-96.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 13:01:05 <Darkvater> 'ello 13:01:58 <Maedhros> hi Darkvater 13:02:19 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has joined #openttd 13:02:35 *** mikl [~mikl@0x55514de1.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:03:15 <Darkvater> Bjarni: we don't need an essay on what you need and don't need; just do it :) (r8288) 13:03:35 <Bjarni> heh 13:04:06 <Bjarni> right now I solved the bug with the crash in the list of vehicles with shared orders... and introduced a new crash in it 13:04:24 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@h157253.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:04:27 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@h157253.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:32 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 13:06:55 <Darkvater> Bjarni: did you read my temporary solution/fix in the bugtracker? 13:09:25 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@h157253.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:09:58 *** PandaMojo_ [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 13:10:17 *** PandaMojo_ [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 13:11:34 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-187-110.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 13:13:51 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@h157253.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:51 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 13:17:42 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@59.167.214.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:18:07 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@funkmunch.net] has joined #openttd 13:26:06 *** Naksu [naksu@youzen.ext.b2.fi] has joined #openttd 13:26:15 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-232-76.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 13:29:34 <Bjarni> Darkvater: yeah, but now I got the real solution. Now it works, but it needs cleaning up and a bit more testing 13:30:14 <Darkvater> interesting, will be curious to see it :) 13:30:25 <Bjarni> it now uses the index of the first vehicle in the chain to give the window a unique number 13:30:46 <Bjarni> but it means changing the window number when the first vehicle is removed from it (like it's sold or something) 13:30:51 <Darkvater> and if you delete the first vehicle? 13:30:52 <Darkvater> ugh 13:30:59 <Darkvater> I wouldn't do that 13:31:08 <Bjarni> why not? 13:31:12 *** izhirahider [~izhirahid@izhirahider.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:25 *** izhirahider [~izhirahid@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has joined #openttd 13:31:35 <Darkvater> way too much magic needed anywhere, hooks in totally unrelated code; general messiness 13:31:36 <Bjarni> the issue is that we need some way of ensuring that we got a unique ID 13:32:25 <Bjarni> I'm considering moving the whole vehicle list stuff to a file of it's own 13:32:35 <Bjarni> to make it less messy 13:33:00 <Darkvater> you mean vehicle_gui.c which is basically already a file of its own for vehicle list stuff? 13:33:09 <Bjarni> also I made a function to change the window number. It's not added inside anything else 13:33:34 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:33:48 <Tron> ? 13:33:54 <Bjarni> well, I will clean this up and then you can take a look at the diff if you like 13:34:04 <Bjarni> I don't think it's as bad as it sounds 13:34:18 <Darkvater> it sounds pretty bad 13:34:29 * Darkvater would rather wish Bjarni'd fix the OSX problems :) 13:34:43 <Purno> Darkvater , do you know if OpenTTD support Action D Variables 8F and 9E? 13:35:09 *** xera [~jamie@88-111-239-20.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35:14 *** xera [~jamie@88-111-239-20.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 13:35:19 <Darkvater> Purno: lol 13:35:26 <Darkvater> I can have a look, but peter1138 is the expert here 13:35:27 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:35:32 * Purno pokes peter1138 13:37:28 <Darkvater> Purno: action d is setting parameters? 13:37:45 <Purno> Action D variable 8F is used to set the cost factor of track types 13:37:57 <Purno> Varbiabe 9E is used to set the depot view to 32 pix 13:38:06 <Purno> (for horizontal views for trains) 13:38:08 <Purno> AFAICT 13:38:16 * Darkvater looks at wiki 13:38:32 <Maedhros> looks like 8F: no, 9E: yes, to me 13:39:48 <Darkvater> case 0x8E: // Y-Offset for train sprites 13:39:57 <Darkvater> oh wait that's 8e ;p 13:40:07 <Darkvater> yeah 8E no, 9e yes 13:42:46 <Purno> eh... I didn't ask about 8E... 13:42:50 <Purno> :> 13:42:53 <Purno> 8F? 13:43:27 <Darkvater> yeh, 8f no 9e seems yes 13:43:37 <Purno> and what happens if OpenTTD encounters an action/variable in a GRF it does not support? 13:43:56 <Purno> e.g., if I want to use 8F, do I need to have a seperate, non-8F, GRF file for openttd? 13:44:11 <Darkvater> it gives a warning and ignores it 13:44:14 <Purno> ok 13:44:21 <Darkvater> Bjarni: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=543870#543870 13:44:37 <Darkvater> Bjarni: can you check? Guy claims the OSX binary doesn't have Freetype support 13:44:49 <Darkvater> or it's not working 13:44:54 <Purno> and how much effort would you think it would be to support 8F? 13:45:37 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has joined #openttd 13:45:40 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has quit [] 13:45:55 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:46:02 <Darkvater> minor 13:46:17 <Darkvater> although ttdpatch 8F sucks 13:46:37 <Darkvater> cause it only has 3 rail-types so you can't set normal, el, mono and maglev seperately 13:47:38 <Darkvater> Purno: how does 8F work? 13:47:43 <Darkvater> The defaults are the following: 13:47:43 <Darkvater> Values Track types Electrified railways setting 13:47:43 <Darkvater> 08, 10, 18 Regular, Monorail, Maglev off 13:47:43 <Darkvater> 08, 0D, 10 Regular, Electric, Monorail/Maglev on 13:47:50 <Darkvater> this table is confusing 13:48:22 <Purno> I dunno how 8F works internally 13:48:28 <Purno> I'm not a patch dev, just a grf dev 13:49:03 <Darkvater> no I mean, set regular to 2* the cost 13:49:06 <Darkvater> what's the grf-code 13:49:22 <Purno> sorry, you lost me here. Whatcha mean? 13:49:54 <Darkvater> give me a line of grf code that sets the cost of normal rail to 215 13:50:06 <Purno> eh... I dunno 13:50:09 <Darkvater> he 13:50:12 <Purno> I'm not a nfo hacker 13:50:17 <Purno> I'm just a simple artist 13:50:22 <Purno> :P 13:50:27 <Darkvater> ok 13:50:32 <Purno> I thought you knew :P 13:50:52 <Darkvater> grfnfo is still magic to me 13:50:56 <Darkvater> / 13:51:12 <Purno> would it be useful to post a topic at tt-forums suggesting support for Action D Var 8F? 13:51:22 <Darkvater> probably not 13:51:25 <Purno> ok 13:51:30 <Purno> there goes my free post :P 13:51:32 <Darkvater> the people familiar with nfo already know of it 13:51:39 <Darkvater> eg Maedhros and peter1138 :) 13:51:49 <Purno> does that mean it's on the todolist? 13:52:03 *** RaduGC [metaforic@89.33.186.35] has joined #openttd 13:52:17 <Darkvater> no 13:52:28 <RaduGC> hello everyone 13:52:32 <Darkvater> but you just told'em your wish so it might get on the todo list 13:52:41 <RaduGC> can some one guide me on how to install trams in OpenTTD? 13:52:51 <Maedhros> it's now on my "i wonder if i can make it work" list ;) 13:53:07 <Darkvater> RaduGC: you can't 13:53:22 <Darkvater> RaduGC: not supported, they only work in TTDPatch (www.ttdpatch.net) 13:53:44 <Tron> KUDr: gets GetTileRailType() only called on tiles containing tracks in YAPF? 13:55:12 <RaduGC> yeah, i used to play them in TTDPatch but something made me think they are now available in OpenTTD too 13:55:22 <RaduGC> guess i was wrong.. for now 13:55:54 <Darkvater> no; not yet 13:57:23 <Purno> <<Darkvater>> but you just told'em your wish so it might get on the todo list <-- I did? 13:57:42 <Darkvater> didn't you? :) 13:59:20 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N817P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 13:59:28 <Purno> depends on who 'them' is 13:59:42 <Darkvater> #openttd 13:59:52 <Purno> hmm... okies 13:59:57 <Purno> then I did indeed 14:00:17 <Purno> how's things for that scenario contest? 14:00:26 <Purno> have the devs made a decision yet? 14:00:36 <Darkvater> no, not yet 14:00:39 <Purno> ok 14:00:56 <Purno> too bad we hurried a bit too much... 14:01:14 <Purno> who knows what kind of scenarios we'd gotten if we'd gave them another week 14:01:57 <Darkvater> yeah. I was a bit too late as well with the request, and didn't think RC4 was needed this badly ;p 14:03:34 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=29775 < what an idiot 14:05:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:59 <caladan> hmm, it seems he is like 15 years old :] thou he acts as if he had 6yrs :/ 14:08:24 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=543945#543945 14:08:25 <Darkvater> hehe 14:08:34 <Darkvater> this one's getting annoyed by chat messages :) 14:08:51 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-204-121.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 14:10:17 <KUDr> [14:55:46] <Tron> KUDr: gets GetTileRailType() only called on tiles containing tracks in YAPF? << probably not. Why? 14:10:39 <Darkvater> << out shopping 14:11:31 <KUDr> Tron: yes, it is: 14:11:31 <KUDr> if (!QueryNewTileTrackStatus()) return TryReverse(); 14:11:31 <KUDr> if (!CanEnterNewTile()) return false; 14:11:47 <Wolf01> i found a bug, instead of resolve it, extend it to all: is possible to raise the land below the extended foundations (those with the double foundations) 14:12:17 <KUDr> it tries to enter tile only if track status was non-zero 14:26:45 *** TSC [~user@c220-237-36-237.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:00 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 14:37:42 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C995.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:46:23 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 14:46:35 *** mikl [~mikl@0x55514de1.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:52:36 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:37 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 14:57:13 *** mikl [~mikl@0x55514de1.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:05:13 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:08:59 *** xera [~jamie@88-111-239-20.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:05 *** xera [~jamie@88-111-239-20.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:10:21 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C995.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:36 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@h157253.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:14 *** RaduGC [metaforic@89.33.186.35] has quit [] 15:20:41 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:57 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@h157253.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:23:53 <Sacro> hmm, im trying random flags into openttd.exe, you get some wierd undocumented stuff going on 15:23:55 <BurningFeetMan> dRUINK 15:24:13 <Sacro> usually just a blank dialog with CMDOKCANCEL 15:24:47 <BurningFeetMan> AND I WOUld walk 1000500 mile s and I AOWUld walk 500 more hust to see the man who wlkaed a 1000 miels to show up at yourdoo! 15:25:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:12 *** Mizipzor_ [Mizipzor@c-8e6370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:26:15 *** Mizipzor_ [Mizipzor@c-8e6370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:57 <Darkvater> http://www.esoftinteractive.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1570 << should I write them that they have to include the COPYING file? 15:35:29 <Darkvater> and they've made a *HUGE* mess of the source. Some weird mix of revisions 15:37:38 <Sacro> Darkvater: isnt COPYING the file with the GPL in it? 15:37:51 <Darkvater> yes 15:38:51 * Darkvater is trying to find out what revision this was based on 15:39:16 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 15:41:54 <peter1138> has it even been updated? 15:41:59 <peter1138> it was on 24something, iirc. 15:42:09 <Darkvater> no, they have a new release out 15:42:11 <peter1138> heh 15:42:14 <peter1138> version 2.0.0 beta 1 15:42:31 <Sacro> im pretty sure he is releasing a GP2X version without source 15:42:39 <Darkvater> but it's a fucking mess 15:42:52 <Darkvater> some changes are from 7630 (eg old_economy fix) 15:42:58 <Darkvater> others are from before r7575 15:43:03 <Darkvater> or even from before r7564 15:43:13 <peter1138> hmm 15:43:38 <Darkvater> it doesn't make any sense :s 15:44:08 <Darkvater> Sacro: where's the GP2X version? 15:44:17 <Sacro> http://gp2x-emulation.dcemu.co.uk/openttd.shtml 15:44:34 <Sacro> i also have OpenTTD for the XBOX 15:44:42 <Sacro> but i think thats more a leak than a release 15:44:56 <Darkvater> ah 15:45:03 <Sacro> he needs to release the openttd source under the gpl 15:45:07 <Sacro> but cannot release the XNA source 15:45:17 <Sacro> TTD2X - A modified port of OpenTTD to the GP2X 15:45:19 <Sacro> OpenTTD Revision: R3353 15:45:19 <Sacro> TTD2X Version: 0.50 15:46:00 <Sacro> yep, gp2x version comes with no mention of openttd.org, or the GPL 15:48:06 <Darkvater> Sacro: the source is at http://www.gp32x.com/ 15:48:51 <Sacro> Darkvater: but he doesnt mention the gpl in the binary release 15:49:01 <Darkvater> yes 15:50:01 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: ) td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ (] 15:50:40 <Sacro> and thats an offence 15:52:43 <peter1138> the strangest thing 15:52:54 <peter1138> is why do they not just work with us? 15:53:04 *** Kosma [raidmaster@furniture.ommadawn.pl] has joined #openttd 15:53:07 <peter1138> oh, the donations... 15:53:13 <Sacro> mmhmm 15:53:21 <Sacro> why dont we just steal their code 15:53:35 <peter1138> because there's nothing useful :P 15:53:45 <Darkvater> they've fixed a typo :) 15:54:01 <Darkvater> GetProcAddress(lib, MB_TO_WIDE(name); 15:54:06 <Darkvater> added a ); there :) 15:55:36 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:50 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has joined #openttd 15:57:07 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:59:35 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-187-110.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 15:59:45 <Darkvater> those guys obviously are not familiar with svn export o_O 16:00:12 <Sacro> hehe 16:00:23 <Sacro> dont tell me they manually patch each version? 16:00:47 <Darkvater> the guy just probably took his working copy, deleted .svn in the main directory and zipped it 16:02:34 <Sacro> quite possible 16:03:25 <Sacro> "OpenTTD takes the open sourced Chris Sawyer game Transport Tycoon Deluxe" 16:03:28 <Sacro> no it doesnt 16:03:35 <Sacro> TTD was never open sourced 16:03:42 <Purno> :o 16:03:53 <Sacro> yes we improve upon it 16:04:02 <Purno> and the improvements are open sourced 16:05:18 <Darkvater> http://openttd.rulez.org/ ? 16:06:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:32 <Kosma> a little question, where can I post my modifications to openttd? 16:08:42 <Sacro> hmm, i think he has openttd on an nd 16:08:44 <Sacro> *nds 16:08:55 <glx> Kosma: bugs.openttd.org 16:09:00 <Kosma> glx: thx 16:16:48 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: yeah, that hostname is my baby :) 16:17:28 <Darkvater> ah 16:17:33 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: but pretty outdated.. that could be considered as WT-0 :) 16:18:09 <Darkvater> gettin' some food 16:19:53 <caladan> Kosma: want to post that patch with industries in minimap? 16:19:54 <Darkvater> WTF? 16:20:43 <Kosma> caladan: yes 16:20:57 *** A1win [a1win@loota.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:59 <Kosma> I'll just check if it applies clearly against trunk 16:21:22 *** A1win [a1win@loota.fi] has joined #openttd 16:22:19 <Kosma> no it doesn't... 16:22:21 <Kosma> fails badly 16:22:30 *** Biff [~biff@30.80-203-176.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:44 * Kosma is confused 16:23:26 <Maedhros> foiled by the recent switch to C++ ? 16:23:28 <Kosma> yes 16:23:30 <Kosma> exactly 16:23:39 <Kosma> and I just wanted to say: WTF? ;) 16:23:58 <Sacro> is trunk in C++ now? 16:24:00 <Kosma> yes 16:24:08 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@h157253.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24:13 <Kosma> patching file smallmap_gui.cpp 16:24:17 <Kosma> yeah it works now 16:25:43 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c19245.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:30:09 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: I'm gone, bye bye :)] 16:30:55 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 16:31:30 *** Xxaxx [~combat@users.stanitsa.org] has joined #openttd 16:31:32 <Xxaxx> hello 16:31:44 <Xxaxx> I have one simple question:) 16:31:53 <Xxaxx> what about free sounds ? 16:32:05 <Xxaxx> they are exists? 16:32:25 <Xxaxx> I mean free analog of sample.cat 16:32:27 <Maedhros> not as far as i know 16:32:47 <glx> but we'd like have them 16:33:02 <Xxaxx> hm, as I can understand, project got free gfx(almost full pkg) but don't have sounds? 16:33:25 <Xxaxx> I mean for full free game, with out this sh*t from chris 16:33:26 <Bjarni> in theory it's not a huge task to remove the need for it... it would just mute all sounds and since you would still need the grf files, it makes little sense 16:33:27 <glx> we don't have free gfx yet 16:33:28 <izhirahider> Xxaxx, its not easy to replace such good quality sound 16:33:37 <Xxaxx> it is easy 16:33:47 <Bjarni> it is? 16:33:51 <Xxaxx> I will proov it 16:33:55 <Bjarni> yeah 16:33:56 <Bjarni> do that 16:33:59 <Xxaxx> ,) 16:34:03 <Xxaxx> okie dokie 16:34:03 <Bjarni> and donate the result to us :) 16:34:05 <Wolf01> tomorrow 16:34:17 <Bjarni> why not today? 16:34:21 <Xxaxx> month will be enought 16:34:22 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc74.host2.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 16:34:44 <Xxaxx> thanks, see ya 16:34:46 *** Xxaxx [~combat@users.stanitsa.org] has left #openttd [] 16:34:50 <Bjarni> well, if you can supply us with sounds that we can distribute, a month wait is ok 16:35:03 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc74.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 16:35:08 <Wolf01> a month should be enough also to learn english 16:35:16 <Bjarni> but if you catch you stealing them from TTD or some other copyrighted place, then.... 16:35:32 <Wolf01> he is gone, stop talk to yourself! 16:35:42 <Bjarni> oh right 16:36:00 <Bjarni> do anybody think that he will be back in a month? 16:37:13 <caladan> nope 16:37:34 <Wolf01> me too 16:38:35 <Bjarni> somehow his statement reminds me of guyver_. He said something like that about OpenGL and then he coded it to work with windows only (not portable), with an upside down display and like 2 fps 16:38:40 <Wolf01> at least not to made some different playlists (new style, izy street or how is called, blues and so on) 16:38:58 <Bjarni> he fixed the upside down issue because I helped him, but nothing of the rest and we never saw him again 16:39:12 <Kosma> at least he coded something 16:39:24 <Bjarni> yeah 16:39:26 <Bjarni> he tried 16:39:39 <Bjarni> but for some reason we never got a diff 16:39:48 <Kosma> you mean, only binary? 16:39:54 <Bjarni> no 16:40:03 <Bjarni> for all I know, it never ran and he lied to us 16:40:33 <Bjarni> the upside down image is on opengl's homepage as one of the "top 10 newbie issues" 16:41:37 <Bjarni> even though the speed lacked, he claimed that he got it to display the right image with the right colours 16:41:45 <Bjarni> which is a pretty good start 16:42:05 <Kosma> I wonder how he actually did it 16:42:06 <caladan> hmm, i guess graphics is the worstw thing that can be done to openttd... 16:42:21 <caladan> i mean changing them... 16:42:23 <Kosma> but I still have no idea what would be the OpenGL's advantage over SDL 16:42:31 <Bjarni> I once tried to optimise the cocoa video driver and yes, it was faster, but.... I got an all white screen :P 16:43:00 <caladan> Kosma: you as a X4X0R should do something for the game :D 16:43:15 <Bjarni> OpenGL can be way faster, run in a different thread (dualcore CPUs) and put some of the load on the GPU instead 16:43:17 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C995.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:43:17 <Bjarni> but 16:43:18 <caladan> *H4X0R 16:43:24 <Kosma> caladan: I'm trying to make svn diff work right now 16:43:35 <Bjarni> you need to know what you are doing or it will fail horribly 16:43:56 <caladan> Most people dont know how computers work anyway ;] 16:43:57 <Bjarni> not to mention that unless the code is written with OpenGL in mind, it's extremely tricky 16:44:15 <Kosma> like all the display lists and the like? 16:44:17 <caladan> so why do you expect they know something about threads and so on:D 16:44:34 <Bjarni> you guys found the way into this channel 16:44:45 <Bjarni> that's a valid reason to know such stuff 16:45:01 <Bjarni> if not, then you might have come to the wrong place 16:45:21 <Bjarni> and since I got the power to kick people, everybody will say "I know about threads" in a moment :P 16:45:51 <Kosma> I know about threads but I never coded them. 16:46:10 <ln-> there was a really working OpenGL version of OpenTTD, by phaser. 16:46:26 <Bjarni> I didn't say that you should have coded it, just know what it is 16:46:41 <Bjarni> err 16:46:47 <Bjarni> who is phaser? :) 16:46:57 <Bjarni> hmm 16:47:02 <Bjarni> I have seen that nick before 16:47:33 <ln-> a colleague of mine. he visited the channel years ago. 16:49:02 <Bjarni> do anybody feel like testing a diff file? 16:49:57 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/vehicle_order_list_fix.diff <-- this should fix all known crashing issues with the list of vehicles with shared orders. Now the question is if it broke something else in that window 16:50:03 <Bjarni> or somewhere else 16:51:06 <peter1138> does 16:51:16 <ln-> Bjarni: btw, blackis suspected that apple's opengl implementation is so well optimized that drawing with opengl would be a little faster than cocoa could possibly be. 16:54:08 <Bjarni> I tend to think that as well 16:54:16 <Bjarni> OpenGL works great in OSX 16:54:27 <peter1138> go on, write our opengl blitter 16:54:36 <Bjarni> :P 16:56:03 <ln-> actually i have phaser's opengl blitter somewhere, i think.. 16:56:28 <ln-> but certainly it's not in compilable state. 16:58:54 <ln-> oh yes, found it 16:58:57 <Bjarni> :) 16:59:04 <Bjarni> a test is a test 16:59:13 <Bjarni> worst case: it slows down the game 16:59:20 <Bjarni> or displays something incorrectly 16:59:22 <Bjarni> or both 16:59:36 <Bjarni> best case: it displays the same as the cocoa driver, but faster 16:59:57 <Bjarni> and without using decapitated functions 17:00:07 <Bjarni> even the same speed, but without decapitated functions would be good 17:00:23 <peter1138> decapitated? hehe 17:00:45 <Sacro> decapitating? 17:02:43 <ln-> it's all in an ancient version of sdl.c. i'm unable to produce a diff, but here's the file: http://www.ksenos.fi/~lauri/sdl.c 17:03:20 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:39 <Maedhros> heh, opening that file just caused Galeon to crash, for some reason... 17:03:46 <ln-> note that we don't have explicit permission by phaser for redistributing the changes. 17:03:54 <glx> Bjarni: the word is "deprecated" ;) 17:04:01 <Sacro> glx: i like his word 17:04:04 <Bjarni> right 17:04:08 <Sacro> tis less... subtle 17:04:23 <Sacro> and has better imagery associated 17:04:46 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:16 <Kosma> anyway 17:06:18 <Kosma> http://www.kosma.pl/tmp/colored-industries-on-contourmap.png 17:06:23 <Kosma> what do you think about this? 17:06:50 <Bjarni> nice 17:07:00 <caladan> Kosma: good, should be included in branch :-) 17:07:05 <Kosma> you mean in trunk? ;) 17:07:08 <Bjarni> in what branch? 17:07:23 <caladan> in trunk i meant ;D 17:07:29 <caladan> like main branch ;-) 17:07:36 <Kosma> it helps a lot with finding a good route 17:07:43 <caladan> usefull 17:08:44 <caladan> ok, g2g, gonna find route to £omianki :D 17:08:51 <Kosma> cu ;) 17:09:33 <Kosma> I'm only a bit confused where to submit this patch; should it go to bugs.openttd.org, or forums (development or suggestions?) 17:09:56 <glx> as I said put it on bugs.openttd.org :) 17:10:11 <Kosma> register as a new user... 17:10:11 <Kosma> argh 17:10:13 <Kosma> hate that 17:10:59 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 17:12:27 <Maedhros> can anyone see any problems with this? http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/fix_profit_graph-r8287.diff 17:12:48 <Maedhros> graph_gui.cpp is so magic, and lacking in comments that it's hard to find if there's anything else that should be changed :-. 17:12:59 <Maedhros> s:.:/: 17:19:28 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N817P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:59 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N899P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:22:39 * Kosma is bored 17:23:03 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has quit [Quit: Fui embora] 17:24:16 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489F49C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:34:52 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-78.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 17:34:52 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N899P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:46 <peter1138> $ gaim 17:38:46 <peter1138> Segmentation fault 17:38:47 <peter1138> o_O 17:40:13 * Wolf01 wants to do something, but doesn't know what :( 17:40:37 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@d130104.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:41:50 * Maedhros stabs whoever it was who thought unk61A and unk61C were good names for variables 17:42:34 <glx> I think ludde did 17:43:24 <Maedhros> hmm, well i can probably find it in my heart to forgive him ;) 17:43:39 <Maedhros> but it's really not helping me make sense of this file ;) 17:45:05 <Kosma> peter1138: gaim 2 beta? 17:45:47 <peter1138> was the galago plugin 17:45:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:11 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c19245.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:11 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 17:47:21 *** Klanticus [~chatzilla@200-171-19-149.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 17:51:25 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:53:45 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-78.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:56:11 *** xera is now known as Xera 17:56:15 <Darkvater> Bjarni: I do'nt like the concept of that diff, as said before way too much hooks intotally un-gui related code 17:59:40 *** Xera [~jamie@88-111-239-20.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:51 <Bjarni> no 18:04:57 <Darkvater> yes 18:04:58 <Bjarni> please read it right 18:05:04 <Darkvater> I am, and that's what I see 18:05:27 <Bjarni> the only GUI stuff is actually UpdateVehListWithSharedOrdersWindowNumber() 18:05:45 <Bjarni> the rest is setting up prev_shared and next_shared 18:06:32 <Bjarni> since part of the issue is that if the order list is empty, this fails 18:06:42 <Bjarni> so it actually corrects a bug there as well 18:07:42 <Bjarni> it appears that if you make shared orders without actually giving orders and sell one of the vehicles, that vehicle is not removed from the linked list of vehicles sharing those orders 18:09:21 <MiHaMiX> hmm 18:09:28 <MiHaMiX> it's very unlikely to occur :) 18:09:30 <Bjarni> most of this diff is about handling clearing those pointers and how to set up the list for the window as it now uses a VehicleID instead of an OrderID to generate a unique ID 18:10:06 <Bjarni> MiHaMiX: yes, but it happened while I tested my diff, and then the game crashed, so I had to take care of it 18:10:43 <Darkvater> in either case, please don't commit it yet 18:11:00 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: ? :) 18:11:14 <Bjarni> if you like, I can solve the failure to reset the pointers in one commit first 18:11:27 <Bjarni> I can even make a diff of that fix alone 18:11:46 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: shall I commit translations now which were submitted to me in email? 18:12:40 <Bjarni> whatever we do, we should remove the possibility of deleting a vehicle (setting type to 0) without removing it from the linked list of vehicles, that shares orders 18:12:44 <Bjarni> right? 18:13:03 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:13:05 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: what langs were those? 18:13:21 <Darkvater> Bjarni: I don't yet see what you are exactly saying but I think that's a yes 18:13:27 <Darkvater> I'll bb in 2 orso hours 18:13:57 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:06 <Bjarni> I just triggered that bug (in RC4). I now got only one vehicle in the game and it got a shared orders list 18:14:43 <Bjarni> meaning that if I do something to every vehicle that shares that orders list, I will access the vehicle I just sold 18:14:50 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: simpl. chinese and japanese 18:15:05 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: simplified chinese has a finished translation at me ;) 18:15:13 <Bjarni> Japanese... I better prove that Japanese guy wrong and tell him how to set up the font 18:15:27 <Wolf01> [19:13:42] <Darkvater> I'll bb in 2 orso hours <- lool i made a mix italian+english: orso = bear, so i read i'll bb in 2 bear hours 18:16:03 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: he told me that now he can use unicode on osx 18:16:24 * Maedhros should stop looking at graph_gui.cpp; i keep finding things that don't quite work properly 18:16:36 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: "Now that font support is working on the Mac OS X build, ..." 18:16:37 <Maedhros> like the bonus pink cargo without a name in the cargo payment rates graph 18:16:57 <Bjarni> actually... where did we put the documentation on how to set up fonts? 18:17:01 <Bjarni> I can't find it 18:17:08 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: wiki..../Unicode 18:17:30 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: i sent this link to everyone 18:17:51 <Kosma> Maedhros: what's this unnamed cargo anyway? 18:18:00 <Maedhros> Kosma: i have no idea, yet :) 18:18:18 <Kosma> maybe electricity 18:18:23 <Kosma> carried in buckets ;] 18:18:59 <glx> !openttd Bjarni unicode 18:19:01 <_42_> Bjarni: Please see this page regarding unicode problems: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Unicode 18:19:03 <MiHaMiX> btw 18:19:08 <hylje> bucketloads of electricity 18:19:15 <MiHaMiX> glx: thanks 18:19:28 <hylje> when newcargo is implemented i'm SO doing an silly cargo set 18:19:50 <Kosma> yes 18:20:01 <Kosma> like transporting cattle to cities 18:20:29 <hylje> it'll have all kinds of cargo made in random industries being accepted at random places 18:20:30 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 18:20:43 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:44 <hylje> randomized for every new game if possible :> 18:21:07 <MiHaMiX> lol 18:21:17 <Kosma> or, better, all cargo named the same way so you can't tell them apart 18:21:38 <Kosma> and so you have to try transporting everything everywhere until you learn which is which ;] 18:21:44 <hylje> nah 18:21:48 <hylje> that would be lame, not silly 18:22:31 <Kosma> if you can build logical gates and circuits with ottd, so why not this? ;-) 18:22:34 <hylje> the silly cargo would have you transport mail to power plants, livestock between towns for instance 18:22:44 *** Xera [~jamie@88-111-243-236.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:22:45 <Sacro> whoo, my NOR gate :D 18:22:58 <Sacro> though i cant quite figure out how to invert 18:23:21 <Kosma> there was a patch that did this... 18:24:03 *** glx|away is now known as glx 18:31:49 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has joined #openttd 18:33:28 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76825.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:36:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7739B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:51 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:02 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has joined #openttd 18:37:08 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has joined #openttd 18:37:09 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has quit [] 18:37:20 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has joined #openttd 18:37:20 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8289 /trunk/src/lang/ (japanese.txt unfinished/simplified_chinese.txt): [Translations] -Fix: translators sent some offline translation for simplified chinese (Fishingsnow) and japanese (ickoonite) 18:43:26 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8292B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:43:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:45:25 <MiHaMiX> new translation record: 95% - 5100 bad strings out of 104969 strings (2837 strings / language) 18:48:13 <blathijs> nice 18:48:46 <glx> MiHaMiX: simplified_chinese is no longer unfinished (94%) 18:50:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8290 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 18:50:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-01-20 19:46:14 18:50:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 69 changed by fukumori (69) 18:50:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frisian - 48 fixed by ikkejw (48) 18:50:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 57 changed by DarkFenX (57) 18:50:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 5 changed by znikoz (5) 18:51:07 <MiHaMiX> glx: it is still :-( 18:51:18 <MiHaMiX> glx: if it'll miss at most 100 strings, I'll move it 18:51:23 <MiHaMiX> glx: but not until 18:52:14 <glx> MiHaMiX: icelandic miss more string than chinese and it's not in unfinished 18:52:14 <Brianetta> hmm 18:52:14 <Brianetta> I have to do some washing up 18:53:39 <MiHaMiX> glx: that's why i'll move icelangic and galician to infinished 18:54:07 <glx> move korean too then 18:54:09 <MiHaMiX> glx: since I think, all icelandic translators are frozen (maybe because of the winter? :D) 18:54:28 <hylje> :o 18:54:53 <peter1138> flibbleflobble 18:55:02 <MiHaMiX> glx: i give a little time to the new korean translator to fix the missing strings 18:55:05 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: ? :) 18:55:22 <peter1138> heh 18:55:29 <peter1138> the korean translation is complete for 0.5.0-RC4 18:55:55 *** Mizipzor [Mizipzor@c-8e6370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:45 <Kosma> how do I check how many strings are missing? ;) 18:56:59 <Kosma> I could work on the Polish translation out of boredom if needed 18:59:06 <Brianetta> peter1138: This not being able to build docks on canal you don't own is really annoying 18:59:11 <glx> Kosma: http://translator2.openttd.org/languages/GlobalStat 18:59:11 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: are you sure? 19:00:10 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: is there 155 new strings in trunk from 0.5.0-rc4? 19:06:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> top 19:06:41 <Kosma> !top 19:06:47 <Kosma> aww, wrong chan 19:06:57 * Kosma bangs his head repeatedly against the desk 19:07:32 <hylje> :o 19:10:37 * peter1138 ponders 19:10:39 <peter1138> 512 tiles 19:10:44 <peter1138> 1 oil refinery 19:10:51 <peter1138> and an oil rig the other side of the amp 19:10:52 <peter1138> +map 19:11:07 <Tuzlo> and your point is? 19:11:07 <peter1138> ship or rail? 19:11:12 <Tuzlo> Rail 19:11:22 <Tuzlo> profit is based upon time 19:11:32 <Tuzlo> ships are sloa 19:11:34 <Tuzlo> slow 19:11:38 <hylje> slow ships are sloooooow 19:11:45 <peter1138> they're also cheap 19:12:28 <peter1138> i'll give the rail a go :p 19:12:39 <Tuzlo> rail will make lotsa priofit 19:14:08 <Tuzlo> howd you measure teh distance? 19:14:15 <hylje> use measurements tooltip 19:14:22 <hylje> patch options 19:16:00 *** ufoun [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 19:16:02 <Tuzlo> what version? 19:16:17 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 19:18:05 <Tuzlo> nm, I found it 19:25:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Kosma> how do I check how many strings are missing? ;) <- strgen -w 19:27:43 <izhirahider> is there any way possible for the same station to have non-adjacent branches (like road vehicles here and trucks in a non-adjacent square) ? 19:28:06 <hylje> yes 19:28:14 <hylje> 1. build a station 19:28:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> just remove the middle tiles 19:28:28 <hylje> 2. use station tiles to connect the two parts 19:28:30 <hylje> 3. ??? 19:28:32 <hylje> 4. profit 19:28:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> also, there is a patch that allows to place distant station tiles directly 19:28:47 <hylje> the ??? has been said by Eddi|zuHause2. 19:29:19 <Wolf01> play with miniIN where there is a patch which allow you to join stations at distance 19:29:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> i never figured out, how this patch is invoked, though ;) 19:29:58 <Wolf01> ctrl key when placing a station 19:30:09 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 19:30:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> it had something to do with weird combination of ctrl and alt keys 19:31:31 <Wolf01> if there a mouse with 8 buttons so you can do what you want without ctrl/alt/shift 19:31:41 <Wolf01> *there is 19:32:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> last time i tired, ctrl let me place a separate station, but not a joined statio 19:32:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> n 19:32:35 <Wolf01> ok, then the patch was not updated, try with alt 19:32:37 <peter1138> 7200hp 19:32:45 <peter1138> pulling 3690 tonnes 19:32:59 <Wolf01> the latest version allow you to do all with ctrl only 19:35:45 *** mikl [~mikl@0x55514de1.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:50 <izhirahider> thanks 19:41:59 <Frostregen> yup, because some OS's don't like alt 19:45:06 *** Kosma [raidmaster@furniture.ommadawn.pl] has quit [Quit: :]] 19:50:06 *** mikl [~mikl@0x55514de1.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 19:55:47 <izhirahider> hylje, http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3577/station1gr.png 19:56:07 <izhirahider> hylje, I'm not being able to create a new station to replace the fountain with the same name 19:56:28 <izhirahider> and I can't erase the road 19:56:58 <hylje> izhirahider: turn on "allow demolishing of more town-owned roads, bridges etc" 19:57:06 <Wolf01> you can't, is different from you aren't able 19:57:14 <hylje> izhirahider: otherwise town-built road loops are undestructable 19:57:55 <Wolf01> maybe the local authority don't allow he to demolish it too 19:58:42 <Wolf01> the adjacent stations patch is so usefull in these cases 19:59:08 <DaleStan> <Darkvater> although ttdpatch 8F sucks <--- I think there's a pretty simple solution: "In OpenTTD, 8F is 4*B, with the four bytes being the cost factors for normal, electrified, monorail, and maglev. If the fourth byte is 0, its value will be copied from the third byte." 19:59:16 <izhirahider> Thanks, I see. 20:00:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> Wolf01: you lobby too few to get it included ;) 20:00:46 <DaleStan> Check with patchman first, of course. Also, it's not very future-proof, since newroutes will raise the number of rail-types to 8. 20:01:12 <peter1138> i imagine "newroutes" would have it as an action 0 property 20:04:00 <DaleStan> Probably. On the other hand, it's been quite a while since I've seen a newroutes-related commit. 20:06:47 <Wolf01> peter1138, what about adding the transparency gui plus other 2 little gui improvements to trunk? 20:07:58 <peter1138> i can't 20:09:01 <Wolf01> who can? 20:10:24 <peter1138> dunno 20:10:29 <peter1138> i can't cos i'm playing fgfs 20:13:36 <Brianetta> Heliports should perhaps not be included in airports-per-city limits. 20:13:54 <Wolf01> i totally agree with you 20:14:22 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 20:14:35 <Wolf01> but heliports only, not helidepots or others 20:14:59 <Brianetta> BTW, it's 2017 on my server and there's a spare company slot 20:15:00 <Brianetta> which is rare 20:16:33 <Frostregen> hmm, too late to build anything profitable i guess 20:16:44 <Brianetta> It's worth a shot 20:16:58 <Brianetta> Get some cheap MUs running 20:16:59 <Frostregen> i tried in 1940 and 1980 ;) 20:17:15 <Frostregen> but always full :( 20:17:25 <Brianetta> yeah 20:17:29 <Brianetta> we just had a bankruptcy 20:17:48 <Frostregen> maybe next restart 20:17:56 <Frostregen> i have no time now :/ 20:19:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> people already got tired of 0.5 ;) 20:24:59 <Wolf01> too many RCs and too much bugs still present i think 20:27:21 <gass> why? 20:28:00 *** dp_ [~dp@p54B2D4C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:28:01 <Wolf01> because people wants stables to play on multiplayer, but if is unstable they use the nightlies 20:28:02 *** dp [~dp@p54B2D4C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:37 <Wolf01> which are unstable too but they have more new features 20:29:07 <Wolf01> this is a my opinion and what i do 20:29:17 <Brianetta> If people want stable they must ise 0.4.8 20:29:30 <Brianetta> If they want cutting edge, use HEAD (or a nightly) 20:29:42 <Brianetta> If they want to *test*, they should use a release candidate. 20:30:28 <Brianetta> Only the last release candidate is stable enough to be released, almost by definition 20:32:50 *** Xera is now known as xera 20:43:08 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-204-121.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:43:09 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:43:11 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 20:45:48 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-204-121.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:48:03 *** xera is now known as Xera 20:52:09 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:52:33 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:58:21 *** ufoun [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:50 *** mikl [~mikl@0x55514de1.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:18 *** Klanticus [~chatzilla@200-171-19-149.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.76 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]] 21:02:09 *** Kosma [raidmaster@furniture.ommadawn.pl] has joined #openttd 21:06:59 *** ufoun [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 21:10:26 *** mikl [~mikl@0x55514de1.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 21:27:42 <Darkvater> < back 21:29:04 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: yeah, sure go ahead and add it 21:29:52 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: although I wonder about japanese changes if the corrections are actually correct. You should've run them by the official translation 21:34:33 <Darkvater> he, this PPC port is *nothing* 21:34:49 <Darkvater> a bunch of ifdefs here and there, and a partly rewritten sdl_v.c to support key-input 21:38:27 <Tron> hm? 21:38:46 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.homeip.net/~tfarago/openttd/ppc_port_branches_0.5_RC3_r7978.diff 21:38:49 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.homeip.net/~tfarago/openttd/gp2x_port_branches_0.5_r7978.diff 21:39:02 <Darkvater> the esoftinteractive PPC release 21:40:36 <Tron> seems to be pre-UTF8 (see currency.c) 21:40:56 <Darkvater> no, it's based on RC3 21:41:09 <Darkvater> they reverted the currency change 21:41:26 <glx> and they don't use freetype 21:41:38 <Darkvater> yeah 21:41:54 <Tron> but these aren't valid UTF8 sequences 21:42:01 <Tron> ?! 21:42:13 <Darkvater> I wonder if I should install VS2005 mobile-compiler 21:43:13 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176122004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:43:27 *** Kosma [raidmaster@furniture.ommadawn.pl] has left #openttd [] 21:43:56 <Maedhros> heh, look who's back: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=544110#544110 21:44:11 <Tron> a progress bar on startup. cute 21:44:20 <Darkvater> o_O 21:44:31 <Darkvater> Tron: with spookysoft advertisement 21:45:26 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176125010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:07 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.homeip.net/~tfarago/openttd/splash.bmp 21:47:27 <Darkvater> Maedhros: he, well at least he looks to be a capable nfo-coder. The plane tilts on takeoff 21:49:13 <Maedhros> nice 21:49:35 <Maedhros> i'm trying to download it now - 0.3 KB/s 21:54:03 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC73B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:27 <Wolf01> ireallyneedaopenttdportfornintendods :D 21:55:47 <Maedhros> bah, after all that, and i can't open it anyway 21:56:05 <Darkvater> lol 21:57:02 <Bjarni> Wolf01: maybe you need support for a spacebar as well 21:59:10 <Wolf01> is hard to write with a single finger without looking at the keyboard when lying down on a sofa :D 22:01:00 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498CDC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:21 *** Netsplit kinetic.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: eQualizer, @Darkvater, coronel, Triffid_Hunter, setrodox, Ailure, McHawk, Frostregen, stillunknown, DaleStan, (+71 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:14:35 *** Netsplit over, joins: egladil_ibook, @orudge, caladan, BurningFeetMan, Mucht, setrodox, Vikthor, McHawk, stillunknown, +tokai (+71 more) 22:14:36 <_42_> Darkvater, michi_cc (12f986dcc1@dude.icosahedron.de) was last seen splitting from #openttd 2 minutes ago (20.01. 22:12), after spending 4 days 14 hours 57 minutes there. 22:15:05 <Wolf01> !seen Wolf01 22:15:05 <_42_> Wolf01, do I look like a mirror? ^_^ 22:15:15 <Darkvater> michi_cc: ping 22:16:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76483.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:56 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76825.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:27 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387CB75.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:21:07 <Darkvater> ack, I can't find my visual studio DVD 22:21:47 <Wolf01> 'night 22:21:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host98-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:27:18 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DF52.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:30:59 *** Neonox_ [~Neonox@p57B2C406.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:31:34 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 22:36:11 <Darkvater> ugh I left a dvd at a friend's house :( 22:36:14 *** Neonox_RA [~Neonox@p57B2B260.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:36:22 <Darkvater> fuckin'hell 22:36:28 <Darkvater> guess it means no more devving today 22:36:30 <Darkvater> gn all 22:36:40 <Eddi|zuHause> what does one have broadband for? :p 22:36:41 <Darkvater> michi_cc: ping 22:37:13 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C995.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:19 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Do you need the DVD day-to-day? 22:40:41 <Darkvater> I would've needed it tomorrow :) 22:41:46 <Brianetta> "SafeDiscPro verification check: Please insert the CD labelled 'Visual Studio'" 22:42:40 *** Neonox_ [~Neonox@p57B2C406.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:45 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 22:46:15 *** Neonox_RA [~Neonox@p57B2B260.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:17 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@d130104.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:04:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8292 /branches/masterserver_updater/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 23:04:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [MSU] -Change: add more (doxygen) documentation 23:04:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [MSU] -Codechange: remove some global variables, make naming of variables mode consistent 23:05:20 *** ufoun [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:29 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-191-064.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:16 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@d130104.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:16 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 23:11:36 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-172-071.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:39 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:11:49 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C5D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:15:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8292B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81214.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:18:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:28:05 <Eddi|zuHause> ohh... you gotta love these really extremely poorly synchronized shows on the new german "comedy central" channels :p 23:28:28 <Bjarni> no I don't :P 23:28:40 <Bjarni> you see, they are in German 23:28:43 <Bjarni> :P 23:29:45 <Eddi|zuHause> honestly, if you think star trek was bad, this is several magnitudes lower :p 23:30:27 <Bjarni> :D 23:32:12 <Bjarni> some Dane invented a way to modify mouth movements. This was originally intended to help people, who got problems hearing, but Hollywood wonders about using it when they are syncing their movies. That way they can make the mouth movements fit the sound on several languages 23:32:45 <Bjarni> could be interesting to see what turns out when it comes to this 23:33:31 <Bjarni> Imagine Clint Eastwood speaking Italian or German with the right mouth movements 23:33:49 <Bjarni> not to mention Indian, Russian, Chinese or Japanese 23:36:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it is said that phrases like "Oh mein Gott" actually came into the german language, because it was used to synchronize movies (instead of similar german phrases, that are not lip-synchronous to "oh my god") 23:43:45 <iamaway> Oh mein Gott :p 23:44:10 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7884B.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:44:40 <izhirahider> wow, openttd crashed on me 23:44:46 <izhirahider> Error: !invalid string id 0 in GetString 23:44:53 <Bjarni> OpenTTD went down on you? 23:44:59 <izhirahider> svn/openttd/src/openttd.cpp:96: void error(const char*, ...): Assertion `0' failed. 23:45:05 <izhirahider> core dumped 23:45:18 <Bjarni> see if you can reproduce it 23:46:07 <Eddi|zuHause> izhirahider: if windows and RC4, look for a crash.dmp file, and post that to bugs.openttd.org 23:51:26 <izhirahider> no, Linux and revision 8291. I'm affraid the core dump in not very helpful since I didn't compiled with debug flags 23:52:45 <Bjarni> then do so 23:52:59 <Bjarni> and run the game in gdb so we know what goes wrong 23:53:13 <Bjarni> because clearly you noticed everything you did so you can reproduce it 23:53:16 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C5D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 23:54:23 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498D749.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:56:54 *** Xera is now known as xera