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00:01:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16:52 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 00:18:54 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 00:20:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:23:13 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:14 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 00:25:33 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:27:37 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 00:28:18 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:09 *** ammler_away [~ammler@adsl-84-227-159-221.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:34:18 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:34:59 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:36:05 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@81.168.42.191] has joined #openttd 00:37:47 <_Ben_> whoever locked this post >> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=30789 << seems to have removed some of the messages from it..I thourght messages wern't supposed to be cropped..? 00:38:36 <_Ben_> It makes it look like XeryusTC: made a topic just to have a go at Davidpk212. wich isn't what happened at all 00:38:58 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> unununium.oftc.net quits: Wolfenst1ijn, TheMask97 00:39:21 *** Netsplit over, joins: Wolfenst1ijn, TheMask97 00:45:46 <_Ben_> hmm, ok dead in here, I'll head to the patch place 00:49:50 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:57:51 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@81.168.42.191] has left #openttd [Leaving] 01:50:20 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-175.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:01:28 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]] 02:06:51 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-175.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 02:23:18 <Smoovious> http://qdb.us/31923 02:25:24 <Digitalfox> lol 02:31:05 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75190.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:30 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75BF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:45:23 <Smoovious> http://qdb.us/31738 02:47:04 <Smoovious> http://qdb.us/31882 02:47:36 <Smoovious> http://qdb.us/20571 02:49:49 <Smoovious> http://qdb.us/25625 02:51:38 <Smoovious> http://qdb.us/6824 <--programmer 02:58:07 <Smoovious> http://qdb.us/370 03:00:48 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48:33 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:54:15 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:17:02 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:49:03 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB53B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 04:51:09 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@intmail.vgtz.com] has joined #openttd 04:56:01 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:13 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 05:11:55 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498F8E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:14:02 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-145-137.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]] 05:20:47 *** jthill [~jthill@pool-71-109-73-120.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:21:20 *** Tefad [~tefad@71.63.8.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:22:38 *** jthill [~jthill@pool-71-109-73-120.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:23:48 *** jthill [~jthill@pool-71-109-73-120.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:25:19 <jthill> hi to everyone 05:41:20 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:49:21 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:01:11 <jthill> I'm getting "your openttd.grf corrupted or missing" with a trunk build and the 0.5.0 install files. openttd.grf is there, the 0.5.0 release works great. I found roadstops.grf on tt-forums, but I haven't found where to fetch an openttd.grf that works, and nothing I've found yet mentions a need (or way) to build it. 06:08:55 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:09:25 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 06:10:36 *** CoRnJuLiOx [~jrtuvera@202.128.58.236] has joined #openttd 06:13:20 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:13:54 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> arion.oftc.net quits: |2rB, Nigel, stillunknown, Rexxars, qfh, Tobin, valhallasw, Zavior 06:14:11 *** Netsplit over, joins: Nigel 06:18:53 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:24:44 *** qfh [~qfh@static-ip-62-75-161-163.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #openttd 06:29:35 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D28A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:30:33 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 06:30:47 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-1543.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 06:31:03 *** CoRnJuLiOx [~jrtuvera@202.128.58.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:34:58 <hylje> http://multitraindrifting.ytmnd.com/ ETA to supporting this? 06:35:55 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CDD0.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:35:56 <jthill> hunh. ok, the right ones are in the bin directory. Color me blind. 06:41:46 *** CoRnJuLiOx [~jrtuvera@202.128.58.236] has joined #openttd 06:46:09 *** CoRnJuLiOx [~jrtuvera@202.128.58.236] has quit [] 06:49:06 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:49:07 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:49:39 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:04:12 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498DA13.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:14:52 *** jthill [~jthill@pool-71-109-73-120.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: g'night] 07:25:24 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:25:29 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:25:30 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:25:37 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:42:50 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 07:48:09 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 08:09:44 *** maddy [~maddy@86.75.135.146] has joined #openttd 08:14:59 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [] 08:24:19 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 08:38:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8215D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82934.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:40:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:45:04 *** TheMask97 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:45:04 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:46 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:16:13 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:25:58 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:36:09 *** Skadrian [~opera@cc944153-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:57:15 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@intmail.vgtz.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:57:15 *** Smoky5554775 [~Miranda@213.59.125.22] has joined #openttd 10:04:55 <mikk36> erm 10:05:00 <mikk36> what is the year limit now ? 10:05:03 <mikk36> if any at all ? 10:10:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E094.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:16:55 <Rubidium> 5 000 000 10:17:41 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-8-186.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:22:42 *** Tefad_ [~tefad@c-75-75-4-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:26:55 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-8-186.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:28:07 *** Tefad_ is now known as Tefad 10:29:51 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 10:30:50 *** mikl [~mikl@0x55528e50.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:56:12 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:59:46 *** lugo [~lugo@pD958307A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:23:55 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7CC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:37 <peter1138> we go over the top when raising limits 11:35:40 <peter1138> 2090 -> 5000000 11:35:53 <peter1138> 16384 -> 16000000 11:36:04 <peter1138> ne'er mind 11:40:04 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 11:41:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> next thing would be 4 000 000 000 engines ;) 11:43:10 <peter1138> :D 11:43:21 <peter1138> hmm, i need an RJ45 switch box 11:43:59 <peter1138> lol 11:44:04 <peter1138> RJ-45 Female ABCD 4-Way Switch Box. 11:44:04 <peter1138> This switch will switch between 4 RJ-45 (Network / Phone) devices. 11:44:04 <peter1138> Can also be used as a economical surge suppressor or firewall by 11:44:04 <peter1138> switching to a unused position 11:44:07 <peter1138> nice firewall :D 11:48:27 *** Rens2Crackdown [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 11:51:14 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:30 <peter1138> ouch, expensiv 11:51:32 <peter1138> +e 11:51:40 <peter1138> serimux secure ssh 8 por 11:51:42 <peter1138> t 11:56:08 <mikk36> peter1138, why such an idiotic description ? 11:56:15 <mikk36> for that 4-port switch ? 11:56:33 <peter1138> ... 12:14:23 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498DA13.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:23:08 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 12:23:11 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 12:24:28 <Smoovious> <hylje> http://multitraindrifting.ytmnd.com/ ETA to supporting this? <--- eta?! like, someone's actually working, or gonna work, on this? 12:25:04 <Smoovious> maybe for the japanese scenario... 12:28:36 *** llugo [~lugo@pD9582229.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:19 <blathijs> mikk36: it's not a switch, as in the layer-2 aware switch 12:32:08 <peter1138> um, ok 12:32:17 <peter1138> yeah 12:32:24 <peter1138> it's a box with a switch, heh 12:33:09 <Smoovious> http://qdb.us/8684 12:35:02 <Tefad> it's a layer 1 switch 12:35:09 <mikk36> blathijs, ? 12:35:20 *** lugo [~lugo@pD958307A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:25 <blathijs> mikk36: the stuff peter1138 pated 12:35:29 <blathijs> s/pated/pasted 12:35:35 <mikk36> that ssh box is a different box than the one i was commenting about 12:36:15 <peter1138> http://www.trianglecables.com/rj45-4.html 12:37:03 <Tefad> you know you want to ssh into that 12:37:15 <peter1138> i need an 8 port one ;p 12:37:30 <peter1138> maybe i could chain 2 4 ports together ;p 12:37:32 <mikk36> wtflol switch :D 12:37:37 <mikk36> manual lan switch xD 12:37:47 <peter1138> who said anything about lan? 12:38:03 <mikk36> well, u aint gonna use that on wan :P 12:38:06 <mikk36> for sure 12:38:08 <peter1138> nor a lan 12:38:24 <mikk36> depends :P 12:38:33 <mikk36> u could play a sick game with ur neighbors :P 12:38:45 <mikk36> today - neighbor 1 gets the internet 12:38:51 <peter1138> i wouldn't, because i can spell "you" and "your" 12:38:53 <mikk36> tomorrow - neighbor 2 gets the internet 12:39:10 <mikk36> i can too if i want to 12:39:14 <peter1138> i need this for serial switching 12:39:27 <peter1138> although the expensive kit is probably nicer 12:39:48 <peter1138> i could just leave 8 cables lying around 12:40:59 <Smoovious> http://qdb.us/6611 <-- seems he succeeded 12:41:02 <Tefad> switching? 12:41:13 <Tefad> why not get multi IO card instead? 12:43:47 <peter1138> for what? 12:46:18 <peter1138> i'd then need a computer to plug it into... 12:47:02 <Tefad> sorry, no idea what you're doing 12:49:06 <mikk36> btw, nice improvement in the netcode... 12:49:12 <mikk36> 0.5.0 is much more stable :) 12:49:23 <mikk36> at least seems 12:55:48 <Rubidium> yup, a few nasty causes of desyncs have been found 12:58:12 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:59:18 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:06:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r9023 /branches/cpp_gui/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 13:06:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [cpp_gui] -Add: ImageButton and ImageButton2 13:06:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Add: Widget::DrawSprite() method that accepts sprite coordinates in the widget space instead of window space 13:08:12 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 13:25:16 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 13:27:19 <mikk36> i've not seen not one de-sync yet :) 13:27:28 <mikk36> with up to 1000 vehicles ingame 13:32:25 <peter1138> cool 13:32:30 <peter1138> i want your version ;p 13:33:24 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:40:03 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:45:03 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:46:26 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 14:02:34 *** maddy [~maddy@86.75.135.146] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:05:02 *** Smoky5554775 [~Miranda@213.59.125.22] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:15 *** maddy [~maddy@86.75.135.146] has joined #openttd 14:17:32 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 14:17:36 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387D28A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:23:57 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:57 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 14:24:35 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D28A.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:19 *** peter1139 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:30 <peter1139> weird 14:28:48 *** peter1139 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [] 14:29:35 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:45 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:33 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB4F0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:47 *** mikl [~mikl@0x55528e50.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:16 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Quit: HMage] 14:34:23 *** Tino|Home is now known as TinoM 14:34:35 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 14:36:40 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 14:37:19 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:23 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 14:40:29 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 14:41:04 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931d.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:49:50 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:52:25 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:10 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:04:35 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 15:05:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r9024 /branches/cpp/: [cpp] -Remove: branch has been merged and is thus no longer needed 15:06:37 *** carwe [~carwe@p54B35E22.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:18 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #openttd 15:09:40 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r9025 /branches/gamebalance/: [gamebalance] -Branch: Created a branch for rebalancing the economic aspects game 15:11:12 <hylje> sweet 15:12:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> dude 15:16:20 *** jthill [~jthill@pool-71-109-73-120.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r9026 /branches/gamebalance/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 15:30:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [gamebalance] -Add: Added a new data type that allows fixed-point computations, 15:30:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: as to enable computing non-integral numbers without worrying about the FPU 15:30:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rounding differences and, thus, desyncs. It is fully doxygenned, read the usage 15:30:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: there. Thanks a bunch to KUDr for helping me with templates 15:36:51 *** davis [~hi@p5090A8F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:38:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'm imagining fixed point operations could also help with physics 15:39:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> as in it heavily reduces the need for magic constants 15:42:00 <davis> does anyone know , where to get this tree grf? - http://www.tt-forums.net/files/fort_senfingburg_124.png 15:42:24 <Rubidium> search for SAC 15:42:43 <davis> thanks 15:43:22 *** davis_ [~hi@p5090A5D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:43:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's called "stolentrees" or something 15:43:38 <davis_> thanks 15:46:15 <peter1138> then use trees to block competitors' stations? ;p 15:46:46 <davis_> of course 15:46:48 <davis_> what else? 15:47:30 <davis_> anyway i dont find it 15:50:03 <Belugas> hooo... PINPad was not connected... 15:50:47 *** davis [~hi@p5090A8F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:54 *** jthill [~jthill@pool-71-109-73-120.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:53:54 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:06 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 15:56:25 *** davis_ [~hi@p5090A5D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:56:39 *** davis [~hi@p5090B8B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:57:07 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:24 <Digitalfox> davis: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=8919&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=760 there you can find stolentrees 16:01:36 <davis> thanks 16:01:48 <davis> :) 16:05:18 <neli> who stole them > 16:06:47 <Belugas> reboot time 16:06:49 <Belugas> be back 16:08:21 *** maddy [~maddy@86.75.135.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:25 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:11:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 16:25:54 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498DA13.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> neli: it's always the one that asks... 16:28:54 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-175.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> (besides it is all explained in the post) 16:32:00 *** davis_ [~hi@p5090AEC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:32:48 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:34:11 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:34:53 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-51-233.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 16:39:25 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3E692.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:27 *** davis [~hi@p5090B8B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:49 *** davis [~hi@p50909E8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:43:56 <Belugas> damned IRQs... somehow, don't know why nor how, both COM1 and COM2 used IRQ3. Strange. No wonder my PINPad rejected my connection attempts 16:44:15 <hylje> lol, serial ports 16:45:23 <Belugas> yup. serial ports. For business machines 16:45:31 <Belugas> some people still use them 16:45:35 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F003.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45:46 <hylje> legacy is a bitch 16:47:39 <Belugas> not legacy, security 16:49:04 <peter1138> heh 16:49:15 <peter1138> 4 & 3 are normal ;p 16:50:41 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4F0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 16:51:05 *** davis_ [~hi@p5090AEC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:26 *** davis [~hi@p50909E8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: mow? :(] 16:53:17 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:59 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:56:04 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-51-233.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 16:58:47 <Smoovious> legacy is easy... 16:59:11 <Smoovious> I'd rather have legacy hardware settings, than soft-set settings that other programs can change 16:59:35 <Smoovious> like, if I set up my modem up on COM4:... I want it to STAY there. :D 17:00:31 <Belugas> that was my problem. It did not "stayed" there 17:00:39 * Smoovious nods. 17:09:43 <Belugas> either way, COMs devices are usefull when your device does not move or is not intended to move from one location to the other 17:12:54 <Smoovious> yeah, they have their uses still 17:13:17 <Smoovious> always nice to know if my mouse port quits working, I still got 2 more ports I can hook it up to 17:17:52 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:17 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:22:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> and if my usb (mouse) port stops working, i have like 10 alternative ports i can hook it up 17:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> to 17:22:31 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-25-122.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 17:25:34 *** Maedhros [~jc@smtp.gentoo.org] has joined #openttd 17:26:03 <Maedhros> hello 17:36:00 *** Rens2Crackdown is now known as Rens2Eat 17:45:08 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.1.237] has joined #openttd 17:45:41 <Belugas> hello Maedhros, and welcome back 17:46:08 <Maedhros> hey Belugas :) 17:49:17 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:50:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.9.235.48] has joined #openttd 17:50:42 <Wolf01> hello 17:51:29 <scia> hello 17:51:39 <lolman> hello 18:01:07 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4F0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:07 <Sacro|Laptop> hello 18:01:19 <lolman> oh noes 18:01:21 <lolman> :P 18:02:04 <Sacro|Laptop> indeed ^_^ 18:03:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9027 /trunk/src/currency.cpp: -Fix [FS#664]: desync caused by buffer overrun. 18:03:35 <ln-> someone please take a look at this: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/solaris9.diff 18:05:13 <Rubidium> ln-: about stdafx, does removing the whole if/else/endif except the INT64_MAX 18:06:00 <Rubidium> about the sh -> bash change: do we favour Windows MinGW or Solaris 18:06:11 <Rubidium> what is symlinked to /bin/sh? 18:06:44 <Maedhros> possibly nothing 18:06:50 <Rubidium> ln-: the reason we have not used /bin/bash is because MinGW doesn't have /bin/bash, but /bin/sh *is* bash 18:07:40 <ln-> nothing is symlinked to /bin/sh. and obviously it is not bash on solaris. 18:08:15 <Rubidium> what does sh --version give you? 18:08:32 <ln-> a new shell 18:08:40 <Sacro|Laptop> how silly :\ 18:09:03 <Rubidium> any way to get the version of that shell? 18:09:26 <lolman> lmao @ Top Gear 18:10:46 <ln-> Rubidium: none that i can think of.. 18:12:32 <Rubidium> have you tried 'strings' (or isn't that available for Solaris) on the binary? 18:12:35 <lolman> Bye all 18:12:38 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:12:54 *** Alendo [~Alendo@c1469BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 18:14:02 <ln-> tried now, nothing version-related there either. 18:14:15 <ln-> but what kind of version info are you expecting to see? 18:15:06 <Rubidium> anything telling that it is (not) a sh compatible shell 18:23:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E094.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:28 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:31:22 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489E7E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:33:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E094.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:50 *** Rens2Eat is now known as Rens2Sea 18:45:52 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 18:52:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r9028 /branches/cpp_gui/projects/ (openttd.vcproj openttd_vs80.vcproj): [cpp_gui] -Fix(r9010): forgot to update MSVC project files 19:06:59 <peter1138> hmm 19:07:08 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp91-76-147-10.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:07:10 <peter1138> it is bad when you attempt to show ospf details and the router stops responding... 19:10:00 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.1.237] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:00 *** Sacro|Mobile [~Ben@87.102.1.237] has joined #openttd 19:12:07 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:12:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:13:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r9029 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp newgrf_callbacks.h): -Fix (r7326): Only call the gradual loading amount callback if the bit for it is set in the vehicle's callbackmask. 19:13:17 <Maedhros> slightly tortured english there... 19:13:35 <Maedhros> but it might be a bit faster for people not using the dbsetxl now 19:14:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9030 /trunk/config.lib: [Config] -Add: added --enable-unicode, which enables unicode (mostly for windows). Enabled by default on WIN32 (makes win9x fail, so use --disable-unicode if you produce binaries for win9x) 19:18:13 <hylje> hm 19:18:23 <hylje> what sdl libraries ottd needs 19:19:13 <Maedhros> just libSDL here 19:20:46 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-51-233.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 19:21:14 *** Sacro|Mobile [~Ben@87.102.1.237] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:48 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489E7E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:38 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:25:22 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:25:53 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-25-122.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Words get written, words get twisted, old meanings change in the drift of time.] 19:29:22 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:26 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:30:23 *** Bulb [~Bulb@145-119-207-85.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 19:33:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r9031 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 19:33:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Introduce grfconfig->status, and use it for states that are 19:33:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: mutually exclusive. 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Well then my mistake 20:25:54 <Digitalfox> Anyway, if any Admin or Mod could do the change i would be thankfull :) 20:31:29 <hylje> ubuntu says i have zlib and sdl installed, yet configure disagrees 20:31:54 <Rubidium> hylje: do you have the development version installed? 20:32:23 <hylje> hmm that reminds me of something, thanks 20:32:24 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:34:32 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 20:36:01 *** piotrekk [~piotrekk@66-pra-4.acn.waw.pl] has joined #openttd 20:36:05 <piotrekk> hi all 20:36:20 <piotrekk> need admin openttd.org 20:36:29 <piotrekk> i can open polish official site 20:36:48 <piotrekk> but must talk with admin openttd.org 20:37:39 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B290F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:37:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9033 /trunk/config.lib: [Config] -Fix: GNU strip has -s, but Solaris strip doesn't. Detect this when system is SUNOS. 20:38:10 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 20:41:32 <Sacro> piotrekk: hmm... the site admin is TrueLight afaik 20:42:44 <piotrekk> hmm 20:46:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.9.235.48] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolfolo|AWAY))] 20:46:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-235-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:47:35 <Digitalfox> People what do you think of roadmap this way.. 20:47:44 <Digitalfox> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Roadmap 20:47:50 <Digitalfox> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Roadmap_0.6 20:48:11 <Sacro> "Currently in Trunk or Branches, are under development or finished" 20:48:15 <Digitalfox> I heard some opinions of some dev's and users and i think this way is better 20:48:20 <Sacro> that sentance si a bit arsed 20:49:02 <Digitalfox> Well i'm portguese so some help is apreciated :) 20:49:06 <Digitalfox> portuguese 20:50:10 <Sacro> ahh 20:50:15 <Sacro> i will let you off then 20:50:29 <Digitalfox> :) 20:51:02 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:56:01 *** piotrekk [~piotrekk@66-pra-4.acn.waw.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:59:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9034 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): 20:59:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: renamed _pause to _pause_game, as some targets already have 20:59:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: a symbol called _pause (and therefor our variable conflicts with 20:59:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: thatone. We shouldn't be using _ as global indicator.....) 21:00:01 <neli> wow the custom bridgeheads/new bridges seem very useful :) 21:00:53 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> custom bridgeheads? whereE? 21:01:05 *** green-devil [~c@0x5733f12f.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:01:29 <neli> I'm just reading that just pasted link ... Roadmap 0.6 21:01:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> Digitalfox: you should probably sort that lower table by "multiplier" 21:01:47 <neli> Eddi|zuHause3: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Custom_Bridgeheads 21:01:58 <peter1138> yeah, i had custom bridge heads working years ago 21:02:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> actually, custom bridgeheads development is halted due to some problems 21:02:12 <peter1138> but that was before the bridge change 21:02:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> and it was decided to wait for a more general approach 21:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> which lead to the creation of the cpp branch 21:02:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> but then people got... sidetracked :p 21:02:55 <peter1138> which solved nothing :p 21:03:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, YAPF has not lead to PBS, CPP has not lead to custombridgheads... anyone seing a pattern? :p 21:04:12 <neli> what is PBS ? 21:04:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> Path Based Signalling 21:04:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> (multiple trains in one signal block) 21:05:04 <Noldo> PBS isn't very easy 21:05:20 <KUDr> [22:05:57] <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, YAPF has not lead to PBS, CPP has not lead to custombridgheads... anyone seing a pattern? :p << it is not true. Everything is question of priorities 21:05:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> i was not judging... i was just observing facts ;) 21:06:04 <neli> sometimes you need to refactor first, before new features can be added 21:06:33 <KUDr> Eddi|zuHause3: in short term perspective it can look so 21:07:11 <Sacro> #newsignals is making progress 21:07:12 <neli> how are train collisions prevented in PBS ? 21:07:22 <Sacro> neli: they arent... 21:07:36 <Noldo> :D 21:07:49 <Noldo> neli: trains reverve the tracks they are going to use 21:08:00 <Noldo> *reserve 21:08:01 <Sacro> reverve? 21:08:06 * Sacro likes this word 21:08:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> neli: the signal is only set to green, if the path is not being crossed 21:08:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> revive? 21:08:26 <Sacro> Signals default red being the main starting point 21:09:03 <neli> I still don't quite see the point ... 21:09:13 <neli> how is this going to increase efficiency ? 21:09:38 <Sacro> neli: more trains can pass through a block at once 21:09:49 <Sacro> well... it probably wont increase efficiency 21:09:55 <Sacro> but its not meant to 21:09:58 <KUDr> Eddi|zuHause3: in meantime you can think about reasonable algorithm how to 'transform' signals in old savegames to 'tile edge signals' 21:09:59 <Sacro> its to increase realism 21:10:10 <hylje> it increases efficiency if your signal blocks are a massive WTF 21:10:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> ha ha :p 21:10:24 <Sacro> hylje: worse than failure? 21:10:34 <hylje> that too 21:11:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> KUDr: the more i think about that, the more i get to the conclusion it is probably better to keep tile-signals as "legacy" code 21:11:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> and only place new signals on edges 21:11:16 <neli> Sacro: in real life, things work like they do in openttd, no ? 21:11:22 <Sacro> neli: nope 21:11:22 <neli> except there are also yellow signals 21:11:34 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 21:11:34 <Sacro> in OpenTTD signals default to green 21:11:41 <Sacro> wheras IRL they float at red 21:12:13 <Maedhros> and in real life it's possible for trains to pass each other even if there are points linking the tracks 21:12:19 <KUDr> Eddi|zuHause3: it is the worst case i can imagine - to keep whole old infrastructure because of backward compatibility 21:12:19 <Belugas> 'not suer newindustries culd/would be in 0.6... 21:12:30 <Belugas> suer->sure 21:12:43 *** carwe [~carwe@p54B35E22.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:12:52 <neli> Maedhros: ok true, especially near stations 21:13:27 <Maedhros> exactly :) 21:13:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> KUDr: but am i interpreting things right as in you want to introduce tile-edge signals together with PBS? 21:13:47 * Maedhros imagines Reading station with openttd-style signalling 21:13:48 <KUDr> before 21:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> well "together" as in "the same line of development" 21:14:17 <neli> so when does a signal become green IRL/PBS ? 21:14:20 <KUDr> in the same line, yes 21:14:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> as opposed to "independent features" 21:14:25 <OwenS> KUDr: I don't know how newsignals, etc, is planned, but could one not just look one junction backwards from the signal? Dunno how to do that with 2 way signals though 21:14:45 <OwenS> (And by junction I mean border between 2 tiles...) 21:14:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9035 /trunk/src/dedicated.cpp: -Fix [SunOS]: Solaris sometimes has pid_t defined as long. Fix warnings in those cases 21:15:03 <KUDr> OwenS: unfortunatelly it is much more complex 21:15:09 <Sacro> neli: when a route through it is succesfully reserved 21:15:12 <OwenS> Nothing is ever as simple as it seems... 21:15:19 <KUDr> yes 21:16:02 <orudge> Bah, being highlighted in here now too! 21:16:03 <orudge> ;p 21:16:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think we already had that discussion :p 21:16:28 <hylje> before you know he's all around you 21:16:55 <OwenS> orudge: I get everywhere. Out of curiosity, what other channels do you frequent? :-P 21:17:49 <orudge> er... #grannyporn! 21:17:50 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:18:03 <Sacro> orudge: w00t, im an operizzle! 21:18:23 <orudge> what lies 21:18:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9036 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Fix [SunOS]: SunOS/Solaris does not have stdint.h, so use inttypes.h which defines the things we need from stdint.h. 21:18:46 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:19:12 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:19:17 <Sacro> hmm 21:19:22 * Sacro wanted /part not /quit 21:19:53 <peter1138> fool 21:20:18 <peter1138> hmm 21:20:24 <peter1138> i better pay for my ebay purchase :o 21:20:49 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 21:24:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> KUDr: how about something like this? www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/signal.txt 21:26:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> that way all signals stay where they are (from the user's POV) 21:26:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> so the trains do not have to be moved 21:26:21 <KUDr> Eddi|zuHause3: so it means special signals for the cases when there was two-way signal in the old savegame? 21:26:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, all signals could be that way 21:26:44 <KUDr> hmm 21:27:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> afaik, real signals also work that way, if you go backwards through a signal, it does not affect you 21:27:36 <KUDr> so one signal type that you can pass in the opposite direction and secont that you can't? 21:27:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> to create one-way routes, you have to place an always-red-signal 21:28:08 <KUDr> it sounds interesting 21:28:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E094.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:24 <Maedhros> ooh, that's definitely something i'd like 21:28:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can also (ab)use that signal, if you want to block paths for trains (e.g. you want to build new tracks) 21:28:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> instead of halting the trains 21:29:58 <OwenS> Question is, how do block permissions work where 2 sets of signals control them? 21:30:30 <OwenS> As I can see it, it becomes a lot more complicated 21:30:31 <KUDr> 2 sets? 21:30:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't understand that question 21:30:58 <OwenS> If you do as you proposed, signals only controlling traffic in one direction 21:31:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E086.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:31:18 <OwenS> It would be very handy, but I can see it as being somewhat more complex 21:31:35 <KUDr> yes, it is more complex 21:31:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> if you go "backwards" through a signal, you have to reserve the path until the next "real" signal, of course 21:32:01 <OwenS> I gather everything is going to be PBS? 21:32:15 <KUDr> i would like to think about it as about workaround for old savehames 21:32:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> otherwise you'd risk getting head-on with another train 21:33:03 <KUDr> OwenS: yes 21:33:15 <Maedhros> ooh, my action 13 patch works 21:33:21 <Maedhros> http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/action13.diff 21:33:24 <KUDr> :) 21:33:38 <peter1138> which one is 13? 21:33:53 <Maedhros> translate DC / D0xx texts 21:33:54 <Rubidium> string translations 21:34:33 <Maedhros> although it only works if the language you're using is recognised by action 4, e.g. not esperanto 21:34:56 <Rubidium> just add some language IDs to the specs and that's solved :) 21:35:23 <peter1138> hm 21:36:02 <peter1138> bah, my lj5 needs a new toner cartridge thing 21:36:50 <peter1138> they cost more than the printer though, hmm. 21:37:16 <OwenS> lol 21:37:24 <Maedhros> heh, nice 21:37:27 <peter1138> mainly cos it was cheap on ebay ;p 21:37:37 <OwenS> Aah 21:37:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, that's totally normal ;) 21:37:47 <Maedhros> i had a printer like that, although it was a spectacularly cheap lexmark paperweight type thing 21:37:47 <Belugas> Maedhros, nice work 21:37:48 <Belugas> really 21:38:10 <peter1138> hmm, £55.95 21:38:12 <peter1138> not too bad 21:38:29 <peter1138> or do i get a 'compatible' model... 21:39:21 <peter1138> pc world used to sell these things 21:39:24 <peter1138> but not any more :/ 21:39:36 <OwenS> Reminds me, my hq-colour printer needs RMAing to Lexmark.. 21:40:02 <peter1138> yay, 47.71 on ... amazon :p 21:40:18 <Belugas> adding new language id is not a big problem, i added a few myself when doing action 04 21:40:19 <Belugas> back then 21:40:33 <Belugas> before peter1138 "rewrote" it ;) 21:40:59 <Belugas> just that esperanto has no "phone" indicator ^^ 21:41:14 <peter1138> i didn't rewrite that bit 21:41:16 <peter1138> did i? 21:42:11 <Rubidium> 7E for Esperanto? anyway, you've got a similar problem for Chinese 21:42:56 <Maedhros> nah, 3F would be the next string that gets added 21:43:17 <Maedhros> although i have to wonder what happened to 39 to 3D 21:43:32 <Rubidium> Maedhros: they are modeled after international phone number codes 21:43:33 <peter1138> check the wiki history, heh 21:43:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E086.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 21:43:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E086.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:44:17 <Belugas> you rewrote a lot of it, peter1138 :) although we worked together, back when time was an affordable resource 21:44:24 <Rubidium> though 5-19 are never used as international phone number 21:44:29 <Maedhros> Rubidium: ah, fair enough 21:44:30 <Rubidium> might pick one of those 21:44:42 <Rubidium> 5-19 decimal that is 21:44:43 <peter1138> ahh... those were the days... 21:44:48 <Maedhros> anyway, does the patch look committable? 21:44:51 <Belugas> well phone number was a sugestion, but it is not used quite extensively 21:44:58 <Belugas> could pick any number, n fact 21:46:03 <Belugas> as long as it is on wiki, ain't much of importance what the number is. 21:48:40 <peter1138> indeed 21:55:17 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 22:00:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r9037 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt newgrf.cpp): 22:00:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Feature: [NewGRF] Add support for Action 13, which allows you to translate 22:00:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: grf-specific texts. The translations will only be shown if you're using a 22:00:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: language with a grf language id and if a string hasn't already been set 22:00:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: specifically for the language you're using. 22:00:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9038 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): -Fix [FS#115]: inactive connections are not automatically kicked, i.e. people who only open a telnet (or similar) connection to a server. 22:00:52 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:57 <peter1138> newgrf expert! 22:01:04 <Maedhros> so now i think action F is the only one not supported at all :) 22:01:12 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Your eyes grow heavy.. you grow very sleepy..... zzzz...] 22:01:38 <Belugas> I was thinking more in the lines of "High Priest of the newGRF temple"... 22:01:42 <Maedhros> hehe, i've got a looong way to go before being an expert :) 22:02:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r9039 /trunk/src/video/cocoa_v.mm: -Fix r9034: missed the _pause in cocoa_v.mm 22:05:58 *** Sacro|Laptop [Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:12:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r9040 /trunk/src/ (aircraft.h aircraft_cmd.cpp build_vehicle_gui.cpp): 22:12:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: the build window and CmdBuildAircraft() now shares the code to figure out if an aircraft is buildable in the hangar in question 22:12:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: This should help ensuring that the build command and the list are consistent in what aircraft are buildable 22:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> "is buildable"? 22:13:35 <Sacro|Laptop> :o its over 9000 22:13:49 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: shut up :P 22:13:51 <peter1138> buildable. able to be built 22:14:01 <Wolf01> i usually buy aircrafts, not build them :P 22:14:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> the question was about the other word, peter1138 ;) 22:14:23 <peter1138> is? 22:14:37 <peter1138> what's wrong with it? 22:14:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> the line above it uses "are" 22:15:03 <peter1138> so? 22:15:09 <peter1138> train is buildable 22:15:12 <peter1138> trains are buildable 22:15:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> so i wondered which one is correct 22:15:18 <peter1138> same thing 22:15:27 <peter1138> except aircraft is both plural and singular 22:15:27 <Bjarni> one aircraft, two aircraft 22:15:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> but it is not "aircrafts" 22:15:33 <Bjarni> we have been over this before 22:15:35 <peter1138> so 22:15:39 <peter1138> aircraft is buildable 22:15:40 <peter1138> and 22:15:43 <peter1138> aircraft are buildable 22:15:46 <peter1138> is fine 22:15:51 <Wolf01> "if an aircraft is buildable" and "in what aircraft are buildable", they are correct imho 22:15:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> of you say so 22:16:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9041 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix [FS#650]: pkg-config doesn't know --prefix, but wants --variable=prefix (nicely spotted and fixed by stepancheg) 22:16:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r9042 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Add : Maedhros as a developper 22:16:59 <Wolf01> -p 22:17:01 <Wolf01> :P 22:17:02 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-25-122.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:24 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-25-122.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:17:29 <Sacro|Laptop> Belugas: ADD ME! ADD ME! 22:17:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, the real question was, if "aircraft" actually could be plural, or if it was only singular 22:17:41 <peter1138> yes 22:17:45 <peter1138> it's both 22:17:56 <peter1138> and i love english 22:18:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's so confusing 22:18:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> information is only singular 22:18:18 <Wolf01> me too 22:18:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> sheep is only plural 22:18:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> aircraft is both 22:18:31 <Sacro|Laptop> Wolf01: but your a stupid italian ;) 22:18:35 <peter1138> sheep is singular and plural 22:18:38 <Sacro|Laptop> one sheep, 2 sheeps! 22:18:41 <Bjarni> <Sacro|Laptop> Belugas: ADD ME! ADD ME! <-- how much will you pay to be added? 22:18:49 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: 1 and 5 22:18:50 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-25-122.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:18:51 *** ammler_ [~ammler@adsl-89-217-25-122.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:18:55 <Sacro|Laptop> or maybe as much as 1 and 6 22:19:03 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:19:03 <Wolf01> like people, i sometime write peoples... it is already plural... 22:19:04 *** ammler_ is now known as ammler 22:19:06 <peter1138> data is singular in english and plural in american :D 22:19:20 <Sacro|Laptop> peter1138: datum? 22:19:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> oh great, more confusion 22:19:28 <Maedhros> is it? i thought it was plural in english too 22:19:38 <peter1138> perhaps in scientific papers 22:19:44 <peter1138> common usage is singular 22:19:45 <OwenS> [22:19] <peter1138> data is singular in english and plural in american :D <-- Data is plural always... Datum is the singular 22:19:50 <Maedhros> ah, that'll probably be my problem then ;_ 22:19:59 <OwenS> BUT nobody ever says "I have a data", they always say "I have a peice of data". 22:20:10 <Maedhros> but yeah, i always use it as singular anyway 22:20:15 <OwenS> "I have a datum" is indescript also: What is a datum? a bit? 22:20:34 <Sacro|Laptop> I have some data 22:20:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> "6th march 2007" 22:20:52 <peter1138> "the data is" vs "these data are" 22:20:54 <Sacro|Laptop> no, thats a date 22:20:56 * Maedhros hands Eddi|zuHause3 an "of" 22:21:01 <peter1138> er 22:21:05 <peter1138> the -> this 22:21:37 <OwenS> peter1138: "the data is" - "the text is" 22:21:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> that's probably a use of "data" similar to "information" 22:22:30 <peter1138> hmm 22:22:40 *** green-devil [~c@0x5733f12f.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:44 <Belugas> one fish, five fish 22:22:52 <peter1138> fishes! 22:23:03 <Belugas> lies 22:23:13 <peter1138> as in, to fish ;) 22:23:21 <peter1138> he fishes 22:23:25 <Sacro|Laptop> todays fish is trout a la créme, enjoy your meal 22:23:38 <Belugas> heheh 22:23:39 <peter1138> these fish smell 22:23:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> german is much more logical in such aspects 22:23:58 <peter1138> logical is boring 22:24:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> german likes to put endings on everything 22:24:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> so you have lots of variations of the same word 22:24:58 <Sacro|Laptop> germans are too logical 22:25:14 <Sacro|Laptop> i mean, why does any language need more than 1 "the" 22:25:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> out of that same reason 22:25:33 <Sacro|Laptop> der die das dem... 22:25:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> "den, des" 22:25:52 <Sacro|Laptop> indeed 22:25:55 <Sacro|Laptop> its just silly 22:26:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, it's cool 22:26:15 * Sacro|Laptop writes a letter 22:26:21 <Wolf01> you should learn italian 22:26:26 <Sacro|Laptop> Dear Germans: QUIT BEING SILLY" 22:26:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> you could never translate a joke like "Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod" into english 22:27:33 <peter1138> but do it anyway 22:28:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's just not possible, as it makes heavy use of german "language features" that are not available in english 22:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can translate it word by word, but it would not make any sense 22:29:17 <peter1138> The dative is the genitive its death 22:29:27 <peter1138> i trust google fully, of course 22:29:53 <OwenS> Doesn't 42 have a translator?... 22:30:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> right, google does exactly the same thing i just said 22:30:11 <OwenS> !translate 22:30:15 <OwenS> Meh... 22:30:17 <Sacro|Laptop> INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR SYSTEM (FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR WINDOWS PRODUCT KEY AND IP ADDRESS) WILL BE SENT TO MICROSOFT. MICROSOFT WILL NOT USE THE INFORMATION TO IDENTIFY OR CONTACT YOU. 22:30:28 <Sacro|Laptop> why take my ip and product key if not to identify me 22:30:42 <OwenS> Sacro: Another reason not to use Windows 22:30:50 <peter1138> it's not to identify you 22:30:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> why use windows in the first place? 22:30:58 <OwenS> Other than it being an overpriced peice of garbage 22:31:03 <Rubidium> Sacro|Laptop: because they do not need to contact/identify you to disable your windows installation remotely 22:31:09 <peter1138> it's to track you with all the backdoors 22:31:37 <OwenS> Isn't there a port open in most Windows versions which DOESN'T show up from the OS? At least there used to be 22:31:51 <Sacro|Laptop> Eddi|zuHause3: i need Visual Studio 22:31:58 <OwenS> Sacro|Laptop: Why? 22:31:58 <peter1138> vim :D 22:32:01 <Sacro|Laptop> OwenS: it came with the laptop 22:32:12 <Sacro|Laptop> for doing VB work for college 22:32:17 <OwenS> Monodevelop 22:32:22 <peter1138> sucks 22:32:28 <OwenS> True, but still 22:32:32 <OwenS> Who uses .net? 22:33:01 <peter1138> hmmm 22:33:06 <peter1138> $ monodevelop 22:33:08 <peter1138> ** ERROR **: file class.c: line 2072 (mono_class_setup_vtable_general): should not be reached 22:33:11 <peter1138> aborting... 22:33:11 <peter1138> nice? 22:33:13 <peter1138> Stacktrace: 22:33:28 <Sacro|Laptop> OwenS: im not using .net 22:33:36 <OwenS> VB6? 22:33:37 <OwenS> class.c... Are you C++? C? 22:33:51 <Sacro|Laptop> OwenS: yes, 5 22:33:53 <Sacro|Laptop> err 22:33:54 <Sacro|Laptop> 6 22:34:16 <Wolf01> night all 22:34:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-235-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:34:35 <peter1138> OwenS: nowt, this is part of mono i think 22:34:49 <OwenS> They developed Mono in _C_?... 22:34:53 <peter1138> "Got a SIGABRT while executing native code. This usually indicates 22:34:53 <peter1138> a fatal error in the mono runtime or one of the native libraries 22:34:53 <peter1138> used by your application. 22:34:57 *** ammler_ [~ammler@adsl-89-217-25-122.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:35:23 <peter1138> well the vm's got to run somewhere 22:35:33 *** Skadrian [~opera@cc944153-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:36:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... watch greys anatomy or stargate atlantis? 22:36:16 <OwenS> I was thinking they used C++ for some reason 22:37:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9043 /trunk/src/ (fios.cpp os2.cpp unix.cpp win32.cpp): -Fix [FS#652]: the personal (.openttd) directories were hidden in the load/save directory listings (stepancheg). 22:37:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> feature request: have an input box for an absolute path in the save/load dialog 22:38:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> under windows you had at least the drive letters (c:, d: etc.) 22:39:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> but on linux you have to do like 20 clicks until you are at the root directory 22:39:56 <Rubidium> why would you want to get to the root directory? 22:40:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> to go down a different branch of directories 22:40:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> for example to reach old savegames i have remotely on a CIFS drive 22:40:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9044 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix [Config]: add fontconfig before freetype, as in static order is important 22:41:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9045 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix [Config]: libpng-config --ldflags returns --libs and -L_opts too, no need to call it an extra time (double -lpng12 in LDFLAGS) 22:43:07 <Maedhros> hmm, interesting... http://taviso.decsystem.org/scanmem.html 22:43:40 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 22:45:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9046 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix r9041: added a comment to make clear why we don't use --prefix here 22:45:51 *** ammler_ [~ammler@adsl-89-217-25-122.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:16 *** STC_FunMaker [~FunMaker@p5B04490C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:48:26 *** Alendo [~Alendo@c1469BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [] 22:50:03 *** ammler_ [~ammler@adsl-89-217-25-122.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:50:17 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Words get written, words get twisted, old meanings change in the drift of time.] 22:50:21 *** ammler_ [~ammler@adsl-89-217-25-122.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:23 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:32 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:51:19 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:47 <Belugas> time to go home 22:51:49 <Belugas> bye all 22:52:00 <Rubidium> night Belugas 22:53:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 22:55:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9047 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix [FS#651]: request static deps from fontconfig in OSX 22:56:43 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 23:01:06 *** OwenS [~OwenS@5ac0cd55.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:14 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 23:03:14 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:07 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Words get written, words get twisted, old meanings change in the drift of time.] 23:05:04 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 23:09:54 *** Wolfenst1ijn [~wolf@h88211156156.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E086.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:18 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: bye, Im going off] 23:17:36 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:19 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-25-122.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:28 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-25-122.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 23:19:29 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 23:19:49 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B290F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 23:26:30 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@h88211156156.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #openttd 23:27:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r9048 /trunk/src/aircraft.h: -Fix r9040: non-bool used as bool 23:27:19 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:28:22 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:28:48 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7CC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:36 *** ammler_ [~ammler@adsl-89-217-25-122.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 23:41:43 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-25-122.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:42:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9049 /trunk/ (config.lib configure): -Fix [Config]: when running 'bash configure', make sure automated reconfigures run 'bash configure' too. 23:42:46 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:45:24 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.]