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00:00:13 <rane> you might have train with multiple stations in it's orders 00:00:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: bjarni * r9384 /branches/0.5/Makefile: [0.5] -Fix: [MorphOS] updated make release to avoid the need to specify RELEASE when building 00:03:43 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54b81897.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:52 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54b81897.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:05:12 <rane> i don't really know how passengers should be transported in a network 00:06:23 <Smoovious> rane: yes, but you won't have a full load of passengers g etting off, and another l oad getting on, at a single stop 00:07:01 <Morphy> rane: networks should be completely universal 00:07:09 <rane> meaning? 00:07:40 <Morphy> my networks are built on straight paths over long distances, very few if none of my stations dictate that path 00:07:57 <Morphy> I just build a huge network and attach stations to that 00:08:33 <rane> yeah, that's what i usually do when dealing with industries 00:08:40 <Morphy> that way I can just keep on adding smaller stations to it over time, and just pick a drop-off point somewhere suitably down the line 00:09:27 <Morphy> its the same for passengers isnt it? 00:10:15 <Morphy> I wish ottd would have some more depth in that department really, with x% of passengers from each city going to specific cities etc 00:10:39 <Morphy> so they act more like passengers and less like cargo heh 00:11:30 <rane> pretty much, but i'm not really sure from where and where to transport them 00:12:13 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-137-191-156.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 00:12:25 <Morphy> maximum distance/shortest route = most cash 00:12:38 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:16:46 <rane> and there probably shouldn't be stations with trains with different orders? 00:19:26 <Smoovious> why not? would make it kinda hard to have transport h ubs then 00:21:04 <Bjarni> <rane> and there probably shouldn't be stations with trains with different orders? <-- like that happens in real life.... 00:21:16 <Bjarni> that would completely ruin the game 00:21:39 <GhostBear> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103924&package_id=111717&release_id=495170 <- is those thing needed for developering noai? 00:21:45 <rane> Bjarni: you misunderstood something 00:21:57 <Bjarni> I hope so 00:22:01 <rane> i'm not trying to change the game here .. :D 00:23:06 <glx> GhostBear: no this is the release source 00:24:24 <GhostBear> :( 00:24:59 <GhostBear> [05:33:32] <Zuu> GhostBear: If you use Windows, just wait for the binaries. 00:25:42 <glx> he meant noai binaries 00:28:49 *** Sacro_ [Ben@87.102.80.216] has joined #openttd 00:28:49 *** Sacro__ [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:30:42 <rane> how exactly does passenger transportation grow cities? 00:31:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> the same as all other transportation 00:31:23 <GhostBear> i surely know what goods makes town grow much faster 00:31:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> only the number of serviced stations count 00:31:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> (which is stupid, but the rebalance process should solve this) 00:36:30 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/ren_hoek/danishpictionary.jpg 00:37:03 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has left #openttd [] 00:37:10 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 00:42:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> Sacro|Laptop: the real WTF is what does that have to do with "Langhaardackel" 00:42:51 <Sacro|Laptop> Eddi|zuHause3: whith what? 00:43:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> that's what the box at the bottom says: "Dein Begriff lautet: Langhaardackel" [that's in german, btw.) 00:44:42 <GhostBear> zomg? Links are mixed! :O 00:44:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> (it's a type of dog) 00:45:00 <Sacro|Laptop> hmm 00:45:01 <GhostBear> bz2 reffering to gz 00:45:14 <GhostBear> and inverted! :O 00:47:53 *** Sacro_ [Ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:47:57 *** Sacro__ [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has joined #openttd 00:49:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> Sacro|Laptop: http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed§Hdr=on&spellToler=on&search=dackel&relink=on 00:51:49 <Sacro|Laptop> hmm 01:08:22 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl7-178-166.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Time for Sleeping] 01:15:57 *** Sacro|Mobile [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has joined #openttd 01:15:57 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:40 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb7d0c.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:23:57 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26:25 *** Sacro_ [Ben@87.102.80.216] has joined #openttd 01:26:30 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.208.205] has left #openttd [Leaving] 01:28:43 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 01:30:13 *** Osai_ [~Osai@pd9eb7db6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:32:39 <Sacro|Mobile> lolman: shouldnt you be in bed? 01:33:40 *** Sacro__ [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:34:36 *** Sacro_ [Ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:27 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54b81897.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:49:57 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:18:44 *** GhostBear [~b@1305.DialWorld.Pool.kuzbass.net] has quit [Quit: ...:::Clonk for ever:::... 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I don't lilke N... it llookks too boxy... 03:19:33 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:19:51 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> unununium.oftc.net quits: stillunknown, mojs_, Naksu, DebolazY, waxman, blathijs, TrueBrain 03:22:35 *** Netsplit over, joins: TrueBrain, stillunknown, DebolazY, waxman, blathijs, Naksu, mojs_ 03:23:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:23:52 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 03:50:40 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489e8ad.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:55:29 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489e78b.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:21:10 *** welterde [~welterde@trujillo.srv.pocoo.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:21:18 *** welterde [~welterde@trujillo.srv.pocoo.org] has joined #openttd 04:21:40 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:35:45 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 04:52:13 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb7d0c.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 05:13:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> WAAAAAAH, it gets spring, and the first thing it does is snowing!! 05:14:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> it snowed exactly once during the winter 05:24:52 *** maad_ [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 05:24:53 *** maad [~emade@82.160.115.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:25:13 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip95.cab59.mus.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 05:30:42 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip95.cab59.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:04:23 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 06:04:23 *** maad_ [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:04:49 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:12:04 *** maad_ [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 06:12:04 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:14:12 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:15:37 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 06:27:12 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-1554.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 06:29:53 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387EC02.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:32:33 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 06:38:22 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:16:21 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has joined #openttd 07:34:33 *** GhostBear [~b@1305.DialWorld.Pool.kuzbass.net] has joined #openttd 07:34:46 <GhostBear> Hello tycoons! ^^ 07:40:01 <MiHaMiX> mornin' :) 07:40:06 <GhostBear> ^^ 07:40:09 <GhostBear> It is 14:40 here :P 07:40:31 <GhostBear> Hello from Russia \o, 07:44:20 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 07:57:04 <TheMask96> it is 8:56 overhere... 08:01:04 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 08:01:05 *** maad_ [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05:31 *** maddy [~maddy@84.4.235.143] has joined #openttd 08:15:57 <MiHaMiX> it's 9:16 here :) 08:16:12 <GhostBear> :> 08:17:03 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:26:56 *** maad_ [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 08:26:56 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39:08 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-17-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:44:29 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-17-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.11/2007031202]] 09:00:13 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openttd 09:20:11 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-125-222-141.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 09:24:32 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-125-222-141.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 09:31:32 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@85-125-222-141.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 09:32:13 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-125-222-141.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:38:53 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-125-222-141.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:46:13 *** Progman [~foo@p57a1e921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:48:35 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb7d0c.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:50:19 <boekabart_> Hmm. Is there a way to start a scenario, using a savegame? Renaming sav to scn works, but all user-built stuff will stay. I want just the terrain, cities and industries. Possible? 09:51:03 <Rubidium> there is an option to remove the user built stuff in the scenario editor 09:55:06 <GhostBear> Why not add spray tool into scenario editor? :o 09:55:09 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489F047.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:55 <GhostBear> Adding rough parts is hard using only point tool! :o 09:56:59 <boekabart_> Rubidium: how? 09:57:25 <boekabart_> Is it also possible to 'remove' a company and all it built in a running (multiplayer) game? 09:57:57 <Rubidium> yes, it is possible, but I don't know the command 09:59:08 <boekabart_> possible in-game or by console on server? 09:59:39 <Progman> both, via rcon 09:59:59 <boekabart_> right, searching wiki then. 10:00:28 <peter1138> resetcompany or something 10:00:43 <Rubidium> in trunk there is a button in the same window where you can build lighthouses 10:02:15 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489e8ad.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:02:30 <GhostBear> what about spray tool? :o 10:02:33 <GhostBear> Is it possible? 10:02:48 <boekabart_> Dammit! > reset_company 2 > ERROR: Company is owned by an AI. 10:03:04 <boekabart_> (true, i entered a savegame with AI into a n-player server) 10:05:23 <GhostBear> Hello? :\ 10:05:31 <GhostBear> Anybody response? :o 10:07:03 <Rubidium> GhostBear: how would anybody know? 10:07:35 <Rubidium> first of all, what do you define as a spray tool, what do you want the spray tool to do, .... 10:08:26 <Rubidium> and when you want to be sure, you have to implement it 10:09:10 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b81897.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:10:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b8183b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:10:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:13:10 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@85-125-222-141.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:28 <GhostBear> btw 10:14:40 <GhostBear> Why button: "Many Random Industries" not works? :O 10:14:55 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-125-222-141.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 10:16:26 <GhostBear> o_O 10:17:24 <GhostBear> =\ 10:20:07 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-38-1.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:34:16 <peter1138> if you've got industries set to none, then it is working... and adding no industries :p 10:35:57 <GhostBear> :/ 10:35:59 <GhostBear> Nice... 10:36:02 <GhostBear> How to set back? 10:40:46 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp240-11.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 10:40:50 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp240-11.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [] 10:46:25 *** GhostBear is now known as GhostBear[Off] 10:48:12 * GhostBear[Off] -> Explode(10000) 10:49:38 *** Progman [~foo@p57a1e921.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:44 *** Progman [~foo@p57a1e921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:48 *** Progman [~foo@p57a1e921.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:04:31 *** GhostBear[Off] [~b@1305.DialWorld.Pool.kuzbass.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:11 *** Progman [~foo@p57a1e921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:06:50 <boekabart_> It seems to be impossible to clear an AI company off the map. How come? Even if I remove the 'if AI' check from the reset_company handler, it says 'yes' but does 'no' 11:06:57 <boekabart_> bug or good reason? 11:07:23 <boekabart_> what's so special about an AI company fercryinoutloud 11:13:24 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-146-133-149.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:17:30 <boekabart_> > found the other IF 11:46:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: celestar * r9386 /branches/gamebalance/ (7 files in 3 dirs): [gamebalance] -Feature: Selling and buying land costs now take proximity to town centers into account. Move some code around while I'm at it. Also selling land gives as much money as buying land costs. 11:48:28 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-39-225.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:57 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 11:50:10 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [] 11:50:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9387 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r9385): termination of a comment forgotten. 11:50:48 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 11:51:10 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [] 11:54:46 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 12:01:50 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:21 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-62-167-122-111.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:02:58 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-38-1.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:25 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C339.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:13:18 *** graeme [~chatzilla@cpc1-stkp1-0-0-cust109.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:15:53 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387EC02.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:16:09 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 12:17:56 <graeme> hi, can someone help me? 12:18:19 <Progman> depend on the question 12:19:26 <graeme> well, since the newhouses branch was merged. My openttd wont open any savegames/scenarios apart from one. 12:19:33 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:19:53 <graeme> The only patch I have is the towns build no roads one, and I wouldnt think that would affect it 12:20:43 <peter1138> it will, because of savegame version changes 12:21:11 <graeme> but would that apply to scenarios too? 12:21:22 <peter1138> yes 12:21:27 <peter1138> they're savegames with nothing on them 12:21:29 <graeme> ahh 12:21:41 <graeme> oh well 12:22:41 <graeme> I was sure the patched version opened a downloaded scenario before the update though. maybe I was imagining it! 12:24:34 <peter1138> well 12:30:01 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:30:23 <graeme> so I take it theres no way around that? Other than creating the scenarios in the right version 12:44:14 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has joined #openttd 12:46:42 <peter1138> your best bet is to the fix the patch for savegame version changes 12:46:59 <peter1138> i'm only assuming that it touches savegame stuff 12:50:37 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489FAD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:57:06 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 12:57:06 *** maad_ [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:48 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:48 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:48 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489F047.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:48 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 13:02:05 <graeme> didnt actually think it did anything to the savegame. I'll take a look 13:04:45 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489eb49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:12:05 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489FAD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:07 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:03 <Belugas> hello 13:19:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9388 /trunk/src/ (13 files): -Codechange: variable scope and type, and standardify all CargoID loops. 13:21:29 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 13:23:04 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:24:32 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@host216-15-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 13:24:37 <Wolf01> hello 13:26:32 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-125-222-141.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 13:29:51 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.216] has joined #openttd 13:31:30 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 13:33:58 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-125-222-141.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:18 <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause2 and Smoovious, seem that celestar will commit his own daylength patch in the game balance branch, so talk with him, my work is finished 13:37:34 *** varzamurata [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1096603517.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 13:41:07 <Sacro> ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHH http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Another_Brick_in_the_Wall_.aspx 13:41:11 * Sacro head asplode 13:50:36 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489edd2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:13 *** green-devil [~c@0x57304cc1.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:57:35 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489eb49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:07:57 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:07:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:20:59 <Naksu> Sacro: i dont get it 14:21:34 <Sacro> Naksu: all it does is { return Qstring dnsStr; } 14:22:42 <peter1138> dailywtf renamed?? 14:22:48 <Naksu> if it only did that then the Q-thingy would be useless 14:22:54 <Naksu> the first line 14:22:59 <Naksu> my guess is 14:23:10 <Naksu> the q is short for query 14:23:48 <Sacro> peter1138: yes, he didnt like saying what WTF stood for 14:23:49 <Naksu> Q_UINT32 ipv4addr is a variable used by the constructor for qstring 14:24:12 <Sacro> it doesnt say that... 14:24:49 <peter1138> o_O 14:24:51 <Naksu> well if it doesnt work like that, it doesnt work at all 14:25:17 <Naksu> and from the description it sounds the system is live and in some sort of working condition 14:26:30 <Sacro> hmm, is it me, or does anyone else think "nethertheless" is the same as "however" 14:26:50 * Sacro doesnt think that, but someone else has stated this on a forum 14:27:03 <Naksu> nevertheless 14:27:29 <Naksu> but yes, it's very much the same 14:27:50 <Sacro> hmmm 14:27:51 <Naksu> not 100% same but like 98% 14:28:01 <Sacro> ah, someone noticed it further down 14:28:17 <Sacro> nevertheless is like a hopeless effort 14:28:17 <Sacro> however is like a hopeful effort 14:28:24 <Sacro> they are not the same... thought not 14:28:36 <Sacro> cos i can't think of any situation where they would be interchangeable 14:29:35 <Patrick> no, there's a subtle difference 14:29:43 <Naksu> the way i see it is that nevertheless is dismissive of the preceding sentence 14:29:58 <Patrick> yes, that's what I Was trying to verbalise 14:30:09 <Patrick> you'd more often see it coming from different people 14:30:18 <Patrick> I use however a lot of the time when introducing problems 14:33:05 *** green-devil [~c@0x57304cc1.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 14:38:02 *** miranda_test [~Miranda@aio126.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:40:12 <miranda_test> hello... is electrified rail unavailable in the sub-arctic...? 14:41:25 <glx> not with the default trains as they are diesel or steam only 14:42:10 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 14:42:54 <miranda_test> oh... ok... thanks... 14:57:53 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:00:24 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489CC1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:53 *** carwe [~carwe@p54b36665.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:35 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489edd2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:17 *** varzamurata [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1096603517.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 15:12:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: celestar * r9389 /branches/gamebalance/src/town.cpp: [gamebalance] -Fix(r9332): I should not use uninitialized variables and shall also find out why my g++ didn't warn me in the first place 15:19:31 <Zuu> Where should I look in the code to find out how to use the arguments of DoCommand for a certain CMD (CMD_RENAME_SIGN)? 15:19:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9390 /trunk/src/ (8 files): -Documentation : correct Doxygen of comments and @file inclusion. This time, brought to you by the letter O 15:23:17 *** carwe [~carwe@p54b36665.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 15:24:18 <glx> Zuu: CmdRenameSign I think 15:26:27 <XeryusTC> Zuu: are you planning to use signs with your AI or sth? 15:26:42 <Wolf01> search the sources for "sign" then the results for "rename" :D 15:28:54 <antichaos> anyone here been testing the gamebalance branch? 15:29:41 <Zuu> After diging some, a few greps after functions etc.. i've finaly found the call to DoCommand that is done when a user press OK on the edit-sign dialog. :) 15:30:11 <Zuu> basicly you set _cmd_text = your_text;. 15:30:20 <Zuu> and then call DoCommand(P)? 15:30:48 <Zuu> Probably not P-version as P-version is not used by any other AI-function. 15:31:16 <Zuu> XeryusTC: I want to use it for debug purpose. 15:31:19 <glx> AI have their "own" DoCommand calls in noai 15:31:59 <XeryusTC> Zuu: just use printf :P 15:32:19 <XeryusTC> btw, AITileList can now find all the roads in it ;) 15:35:03 *** michi_cc-away is now known as michi_cc 15:35:22 <Zuu> XeryusTC: print it is in squirrel, but that won't be printed on a specific location on the screen. 15:35:50 <glx> will be printed in the console :) 15:35:54 <XeryusTC> indeed 15:36:03 <XeryusTC> printf = print to console for C++ 15:36:11 <XeryusTC> so print = the same for squirrel 15:36:16 <XeryusTC> just run ottd with -d 15:36:44 <Zuu> I want it mainly to mark locations on the map. The actual text on them are not important. 15:37:04 <Zuu> it = signs. 15:37:20 <XeryusTC> heh, i use the land info tool and the console for that ;) 15:37:25 <XeryusTC> as i have AITileList :D 15:37:54 <Zuu> Having X = 102, Y = 105 printed on the console is not very helpfull compared to get a sign on the tile. 15:38:30 <XeryusTC> it is a bit harder to get to the right location 15:38:34 <XeryusTC> but it is as usefull 15:42:12 *** maad_ [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 15:42:12 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:33 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:43:33 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 15:44:46 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-226-224.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:46:27 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:48:19 *** glx|away is now known as glx 15:51:03 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@host216-15-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:22 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@host243-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 15:53:58 *** GhostBear [~b@1305.DialWorld.Pool.kuzbass.net] has joined #openttd 15:54:00 <graeme> how often does the save game version change? 15:54:06 <GhostBear> Hi there! ^^ 16:07:42 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 16:07:42 *** maad_ [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:09:16 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-226-224.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]] 16:15:54 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54ac5002.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:54 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 16:20:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> graeme: if the savegame version is 53, it increased about 52 times since the start of the project (plus some changes before the versioning system evolved into what it is now) 16:21:30 *** maddy [~maddy@84.4.235.143] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:21:44 *** miranda_test [~Miranda@aio126.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 16:21:57 <graeme> good point, should of thought of that really 16:25:06 <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause2, did you read what i said about daylength? if not http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/view/2007-03-21/1@0~623#goto 16:25:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> Wolf01: i've seen it 16:26:42 <Wolf01> any objection? 16:27:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> why would i object to any of that? 16:32:28 * peter1138 objects on principle 16:35:12 <Wolf01> can somebody write some unicode chars, please? 16:35:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> äöü 16:35:28 <Progman> if I use the autoreplace feature can I setup which cargo-type the engine should used? 16:35:30 <Wolf01> seem to work 16:36:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> Progman: the replaced vehicle automatically gets refit to whatever was used before 16:36:20 <peter1138> in theory 16:36:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, it's bjarni, you never know ;) 16:36:45 * Zuu found the bug in BuildRoadStation :) 16:36:51 <Progman> and if it is "new"? 16:37:54 <Progman> the SH'125' are the first engines with cargo, but you cannot decide which cargo it should used at replacing :( 16:38:02 <XeryusTC> Zuu: what's wrong with it? 16:38:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> if the original had no cargo, and the new one does, it very probably uses the default cargo... i don't think anyone ever planned to specify something different 16:39:27 <Zuu> In src/ai/api/ai_road.cpp, line 48, swap '3' and '1'. 16:40:02 <Zuu> The same should probably be done for BuildRoadDepot too. 16:41:22 <Zuu> Basicly if you built a station facing in +/- Y-direction, it would face the oposite side as you tell it to do. 16:41:37 *** TronBSD [~tron@p54a3ceaf.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:32 <Zuu> I've made a AI that demostrates that, but finding the bug was esier than posting the demo-AI on the forums. :) 16:43:47 <Zuu> /esier/easier/ 16:47:05 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3D4DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:29 <Zuu> Hmm.. however swap-ing '3' and '1' only solves one case not both.. I'll post the demo on the forums.. :) 16:49:40 <XeryusTC> hmm 16:49:55 <XeryusTC> doesnt it build a station based on the roads that are present? 16:52:29 <Smoovious> <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause2 and Smoovious, seem that celestar will commit his own daylength patch in the game balance branch, so talk with him, my work is finished <--- okee, thankks for the heeads-up 16:54:09 <Wolf01> you're welcome :) 16:56:35 <Wolf01> bbl, going home 16:56:38 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@host243-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 16:56:53 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489e0b6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:57:58 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb7d0c.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 17:01:58 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 17:03:13 <Zuu> XeryusTC: Nope it doesn't 17:03:45 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489CC1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:55 <Zuu> The general docs of the AIroad-class says that, but if you look at the functions you'll see it doesn't. 17:05:02 <Zuu> The noai-bug-demo is now on the noai-thread on the forums. 17:07:21 <XeryusTC> hmm, ill look at it later 17:07:24 <XeryusTC> im afk now 17:07:37 <XeryusTC> i hope i can finish some parts of TileList tonight 17:08:11 *** miranda_test [~Miranda@ajp26.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:09:31 <miranda_test> hello... 0.5.1-RC1 crashes when information about new vehicle pops up... is that a know issue...? 17:09:54 *** miranda_test is now known as nowotny 17:11:05 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-226-224.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> -> bugs.openttd.org 17:11:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> all known issues are there 17:13:35 <Zuu> Hmm.. seams like there is another related issue that hinder stations to be built on the road for this one direction, because if disable the building of the road (before station) it works as it should with my above described fix. 17:18:57 <glx> Zuu: I tried what you said, but with -1 no station is build 17:19:28 <Zuu> But with +1 it is but in the wrong direction, isn't it? 17:19:39 *** graeme [~chatzilla@cpc1-stkp1-0-0-cust109.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007022001]] 17:19:44 <glx> for y yes 17:19:52 <glx> x is ok 17:20:20 <Zuu> I think when you build road in -1, the whole 'tile' tile is covered, and therefor you can't build a staton on it. 17:20:58 <hylje> you can overbuild a road ending 17:20:59 <hylje> afaik 17:21:09 <glx> yes that's what happens 17:21:10 <Zuu> hylje: But not a full road. 17:21:25 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:30 <Zuu> And you can't build the road after you built the station. 17:21:52 <Zuu> Workaround is to demolish the tile 'tile' before station is built. 17:23:05 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-226-224.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]] 17:23:11 <Zuu> I guess there is something wrong in the BuildRoad-function as it should only build road between the tile center of start and end. 17:23:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host243-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:23:55 <Wolf01> hello (again) 17:24:15 <Zuu> Hello Wolf01 17:24:27 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:31 *** GhostBear is now known as PrshieIufk 17:27:41 * PrshieIufk <- this person is AFK 17:30:29 <Sacro> PrshieIufk: please disable your away message 17:31:39 <PrshieIufk> :( 17:35:16 <Zuu> glx: http://www.tt-forums.net//files/fix_121.diff 17:35:16 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Eat 17:42:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9391 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Documentation : correct Doxygen of comments and @file inclusion. Time for P and Q files 17:43:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> P AND Q simultaneously? how dare you :p 17:43:46 <Belugas> becasue i'm in <P>rovince of <Q>uebec 17:43:48 <Belugas> :) 17:44:29 <glx> lol 17:45:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> ohkay, i forgive you ;) 17:45:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> blame canada! :) 17:45:36 <Belugas> hehe :D 17:54:31 <Belugas> my god... svn operations on s SD card is sooooo slow :S 17:58:04 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:58:07 <peter1138> heh 18:07:44 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@ppp-70-243-120-109.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:56 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@ppp-70-243-120-109.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has left #openttd [] 18:07:56 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 18:14:05 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:19 *** lugo [~lugo@pd9582a23.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:14:59 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has joined #openttd 18:20:13 *** Rens2Eat [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:05 *** llugo [~lugo@pd9583643.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:23:00 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 18:26:17 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498F46A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:28:49 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl7-176-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 18:35:02 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-178-166.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:02 *** Digitalfox_ is now known as Digitalfox 18:36:46 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:39:44 *** PrshieIufk is now known as GhostBear 18:46:12 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:46:13 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176121247.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:49:03 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54:09 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-213-72.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:29 *** nowotny [~Miranda@ajp26.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:57:08 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-62-167-122-111.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Have a nice time!] 18:58:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: miham * r9392 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files): (log message trimmed) 18:58:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-03-21 19:54:29 18:58:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 2 changed by fukumori (2) 18:58:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 11 fixed, 2 changed by ThomasA (13) 18:58:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: esperanto - 8 fixed by LaPingvino (8) 18:58:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: estonian - 28 fixed by vermon (27), t2t2 (1) 18:58:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 19 fixed, 66 changed by pallokala (9), habazi (76) 18:58:55 <MiHaMiX> french - 9 changed by Skiper (9) 18:58:55 <MiHaMiX> italian - 1 fixed, 49 changed by sidew (50) 18:58:55 <MiHaMiX> traditional_chinese - 2 fixed by thomasau (2) 18:58:55 <MiHaMiX> ukrainian - 9 changed by mad (9) 19:00:22 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 19:07:02 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-176-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 19:13:08 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl7-176-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 19:16:10 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:17:25 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:17:25 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 19:17:26 *** green-devil [~c@0x57304cc1.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:20:30 <Digitalfox_Home> I just download the newgrf terrain from here http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31079 19:20:39 <Digitalfox_Home> And i want to use it with my savegame 19:21:09 <Digitalfox_Home> Anyway i can add it to the savegame? 19:21:16 <Digitalfox_Home> Using last nightly 19:22:08 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-62-167-122-111.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 19:22:38 <Digitalfox_Home> ok i figures it out, i added it while playing with savegame.. Nice feature i may add :) 19:27:30 <Digitalfox_Home> The openttd newgrf menu is really great, nice work :) 19:31:53 <MiHaMiX> Digitalfox_Home: </blog> :D 19:32:13 <MiHaMiX> Digitalfox_Home: i not meant to be rude, I just can't resist :D 19:32:23 <MiHaMiX> s/can/could/ 19:32:30 <Zavior> God those are brigth 19:33:02 <Digitalfox_Home> MiHaMiX: Don't like blogs, i've tried, but my ideas are hard to write.. 19:33:06 <Digitalfox_Home> ;) 19:33:17 <MiHaMiX> Digitalfox_Home: so you're using irc channels as blog :D 19:33:36 * Digitalfox_Home starts using notepad ;) 19:34:09 *** TronBSD is now known as Tron 19:34:12 <MiHaMiX> Digitalfox_Home: lol 19:34:17 <MiHaMiX> ahh, a Tron! :) 19:35:42 <Digitalfox_Home> bythe way mihamix, i some time ago has an account on webtranslator for openttd, but i forgot with username or passowrd i used... :( I translated some portugueses strings, anyway you could see if digitalfox account existes and reset the password? 19:36:24 <Digitalfox_Home> my english is getting everyday worse.. :( 19:38:21 <MiHaMiX> Digitalfox_Home: pm 19:43:37 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-228-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:40 <glx> Digitalfox_Home: you could also add it in newgrf-static section :) 19:51:01 <Digitalfox_Home> glx: Ok 19:56:39 <GhostBear> yay! 19:56:46 <GhostBear> I just finished avatar for my friend :D 19:56:49 <GhostBear> Check it out ^^ 19:56:50 <GhostBear> http://www.ii4.ru/images/623862avatar.gif 19:57:32 <MiHaMiX> GhostBear: I will never understand the hype behind this whole avatar thingie :) 19:59:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> ihgitt... it's blinking and flashing... :( 19:59:15 <GhostBear> He wanted it so 19:59:26 <GhostBear> I too dislike shining thingles but... 20:02:19 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p50909222.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:03:47 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p50909222.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:29 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-62-167-122-111.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Have a nice time!] 20:07:38 *** Tron [~tron@p54a3ceaf.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 20:12:37 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-62-167-122-111.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 20:13:30 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3E685.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:15:47 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3E685.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:16:29 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3E685.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:32 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498DB2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:21:32 *** UserError is now known as UserErr0r 20:23:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b8183b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:41 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.196] has joined #openttd 20:24:30 <UndernotBuilder> a question: 0.5.9 will be also a bugfix release or the trunk features will be added slowly to 0.5 series? 20:24:50 <XeryusTC> Zuu: ping 20:25:00 <peter1138> 0.5.9 most likely won't exist 20:25:18 <peter1138> trunk features will not be back ported 20:25:19 <UndernotBuilder> then the last 0.5 series 20:25:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b82810.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:25:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:25:22 <peter1138> why on earth would they? 20:26:11 *** Sacro_ [Ben@87.102.80.216] has joined #openttd 20:26:40 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 20:26:44 <UndernotBuilder> then the question is: would the trunk features will be added one per one to main releases, or all at the same time to 0.6.0? 20:27:12 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:27:15 <peter1138> neither 20:27:25 <peter1138> trunk will *become* 0.6.0 at some point 20:27:29 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3E685.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:27:39 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3E685.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:48 <peter1138> 0.6 will be branched off and be released from there 20:27:57 <peter1138> 0.6 will not follow on from 0.5's branch 20:28:47 *** green-devil [~c@0x57304cc1.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 20:28:58 <UndernotBuilder> so the wait will be long... :( 20:29:10 <Belugas> why would it be? 20:29:30 <UndernotBuilder> also other question: for what version is planned to add trams? 20:29:45 <peter1138> there is no plan currently, afaik 20:30:15 <Smoovious> far as i can tell, there are no set roadmaps... features are c omplleted and added when someone is motivated to do it 20:30:38 <UndernotBuilder> then roadmaps are useless... 20:30:45 *** luckz [~luckz@luckz.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:47 *** green-devil [~c@0x57304cc1.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:30:48 *** luckz [~luckz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 20:30:53 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:55 <Smoovious> i tend to think roadmaps are uselelss anyways 20:30:58 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 20:31:31 *** Patrick [pitt2@saturn.retrosnub.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:36 *** Patrick [pitt2@saturn.retrosnub.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:31:38 <Belugas> most of the time, those road maps are made by users. there is one (made by Rubidium, iirc) who is a bit more accurate 20:31:51 <Smoovious> they may serve a purpose as a todo list, but as far as scheduling when things will be done and imposing artificial deadlines, they onlyl serve to degrade the qualityy of the resulting code 20:32:09 <peter1138> yeah 20:32:31 <peter1138> our current roadmap for 0.6.0 is totally different to what it used to be 20:32:45 <UndernotBuilder> then trams can be included for 0.6.0, 0.7.0, 0.8.0 or just never implemented :P 20:32:51 <Smoovious> yes 20:33:02 * Digitalfox_Home hides.. Oh wait now should be Rubidium to hide lol 20:33:04 <Zuu> XeryusTC: pong 20:33:08 <Smoovious> it all depends on someone who wants to take up the task of coding u p trams 20:33:34 <XeryusTC> Zuu: my AITileList is nearing the first designs 20:33:37 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:37 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:37 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 20:33:43 <XeryusTC> so i need to know what information you want from the map 20:33:54 <Zuu> Hmm. 20:34:06 <XeryusTC> i currently have cargo acceptance of a single tile, road information, station information and depot information 20:34:07 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:34:35 <Smoovious> does cargo acceptance include cargo production/ 20:34:49 <UndernotBuilder> I am unlikely to program for openttd because it probably will never be implemented 20:35:00 <UndernotBuilder> the patch* 20:35:00 <Zuu> Searching for areas of flat land for airports could maybe be something? 20:35:09 <Smoovious> it probably will never be implemented because you're unlikely to program it 20:35:28 <Smoovious> self-fulfilling prophesy 20:35:36 <Zuu> But there is nothing I can think of ATM other than cargo. 20:35:46 <XeryusTC> hmm, ok 20:36:06 <UndernotBuilder> the main trouble is that I am too lazy for documentating :P 20:36:07 <XeryusTC> i need to do some sorting and allow deleting based on tile information too 20:36:13 <Zuu> Depends on what sort of searches that are added. 20:36:46 <UndernotBuilder> my programs in BASIC are almost all with almost no comments 20:37:18 <Smoovious> then that wouldl most likely be the fifrst thing to keep your patches from making it into the ode 20:37:20 <Smoovious> code 20:37:43 <Smoovious> afk 20:38:05 <Zuu> Am I right when I asume it will only be raster-based operations? ( raster ~= cell-based, in oposite to vector-based which could search tough infrastructure networks ) 20:38:21 <Zuu> /tough/though/ 20:38:22 <UndernotBuilder> also I get lost when I browse through c code :P 20:38:42 <UndernotBuilder> it looks for me like a jungle 20:39:34 <Belugas> don't try to get the big picture... look a the details, and more and more you will see the forest, and not the trees anymore 20:39:37 *** green-devil [~c@0x57304cc1.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: brb - restart] 20:40:53 <XeryusTC> Zuu: what do you mean exactly? 20:41:02 *** green-devil [~c@0x57304cc1.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:41:35 <Zuu> XeryusTC: I'll try to explain... (I've read to much GIS (geographical information systems) i guess :p) 20:44:34 <Zuu> XeryusTC: I am not exactly sure what kind of sorting/searching you are going to do. If it is 'only' sorting tiles independent of their neighbours. Aka take a puzzle and mix all the pieces and then sort them after their color. You can then easily pick all the red pieces, but you might end up with pieces that have a bad geographical relation. 20:44:58 <Zuu> Call that just "sorting" 20:45:26 <XeryusTC> oh 20:45:29 <Zuu> And the other kind would then be searching where you start at a geographical location and look around for pices with the similar color. 20:45:38 <Zuu> Something like that. 20:46:04 <XeryusTC> well, i can sort the list by TileIndex or by the data that is mapped to it 20:46:31 <XeryusTC> im not too sure if i stored the data correctly ATM though as i only use one uint32 20:46:44 <Zuu> Okay. 20:46:49 <Patrick> sort it by both using that retarded patent 20:47:05 <Patrick> on linked lists with multiple pointers per element, each using a different ordering sequence 20:47:52 <Zuu> Hmm. one thing that i can think of is if you can add a Push-function that in adition to TileIndex also accept a custom variable that you can sort the list with. 20:49:17 <XeryusTC> well, im using an std::map now, so the TileIndex is stored in the key and the data is stored in data (hehe), but i currently dont allow any "manual" changing of data 20:49:18 <Zuu> Basically a sorted list that is sorted after a custom variable. Could be good for green/red-list in a path-finder. 20:53:50 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 20:55:02 <Zuu> Thinking about implementation, maybe it could be wise to have a std::list which stores data (I assume data is a struct with TileIndex, Cargo, etc.). Then you would have various sort functions that use different data from the data-struct for sorting. I'm sure STL got a sorting template function that takes a function which tells which data is bigger/less than the other data... 20:57:11 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:57:34 <XeryusTC> well, i switched from std::list to std::map so you can access the individual tiles easily by just using m_list[TileIndex] 20:57:42 <XeryusTC> data however is still a simple uint32 20:57:47 <XeryusTC> something i want to change actually 20:58:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9393 /trunk/src/newgrf_station.cpp: -Codechange: Use newgrf town resolver as station parent scope handler 20:59:34 <Zuu> However, aren't maps auto-sorted after key so you can't resort it after your own 'key's. 21:00:08 *** G0D [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:28 <XeryusTC> well, i hope not 21:00:57 <XeryusTC> else i have to change my entire design again :P 21:01:55 <GhostBear> http://www.ii4.ru/images/905461avatar1.gif Just finished another avatar for friend :D 21:01:56 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:11 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-225-211.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 21:07:08 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C339.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:09:02 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-62-167-122-111.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:18 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb7d0c.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:50 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b82810.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:51 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54ac5002.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8187C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:16:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:17:28 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54ac5002.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:21:13 <Belugas> time's up , going home 21:21:15 <Belugas> see you 21:21:41 <GhostBear> sya 21:24:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 21:30:47 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-145-137.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:31:46 <antichaos> can anyone give me a rough conversion factor from km/h to tiles/day ? 21:32:08 <GhostBear> @_@ 21:32:56 <dihedral> night ladys 21:32:57 <peter1138> furlongs per fortnight is a far better unit 21:33:20 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-228-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]] 21:46:38 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 21:50:53 <antichaos> After a few tests, I get 1 km/h = 0.0355 +- .0005 tiles/day 21:51:10 <antichaos> for trains and busses at least 21:51:43 <UndernotBuilder> a question: is possible to filter changelogs for only showing features? 21:52:12 <glx> svn log | grep "Feature" 21:55:35 <XeryusTC> Zuu: take a look at tl_element_t at http://svn.libgpmi.org/svn/gpmi_openttd/trac.cgi/browser/trunk/packages/tile_list/tile_list.h 22:01:07 <Zuu> Looks nice. 22:03:39 <Zuu> What I've came to be aware of is that tiles that have a drive though bus/truck-stop are not road-tiles if you ask IsRoadTile(). I think it would be good if they where road-tiles when it comes to path-finding. I don't know if it is worth taking into acount in your TileList, but it is a question that have to be answered in various situations (how to threat drive-though-bus/truck-stops). 22:04:08 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 22:08:07 <XeryusTC> hmm, yeah 22:08:16 <XeryusTC> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/blog/files/XeryusTC/TileList.diff <- that is how the thing currently is :) 22:08:31 <XeryusTC> im updating it with something simular like tl_element_t now though 22:11:02 <UndernotBuilder> glx: that's from linux I suppose right? 22:11:29 <glx> UndernotBuilder: that's how I do it on windows :) 22:11:52 <glx> but I have mingw/msys + svn CLI 22:12:30 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176121247.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:12:33 <UndernotBuilder> also I have an idea: remove trees 22:13:15 <UndernotBuilder> explained better: remove trees but not yours pertenences 22:13:45 <Zuu> glx: remember the stuff about AI road stations earlier today? I've sorted it out now. The fix I made for the stations is correct (and attached to my post on tt-forums), but there is another separete issue: 22:14:21 <glx> Zuu: I have a change for half road 22:14:34 <Zuu> glx: Nice :) 22:15:26 <glx> Zuu: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/ai_road.diff <-- if you want to test it (contains your diff though) 22:15:50 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:41 <Zuu> glx: I'll test it on a clear checkout with my AI-demo/test. 22:33:41 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:53 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:38 <Zuu> glx: Works like charm. :) 22:35:17 <Zuu> (first I forgot to apply the patch, but after I figured that out it worked :p ) 22:39:53 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:40:05 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host243-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:41:14 *** green-devil [~c@0x57304cc1.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 22:41:20 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.196] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030916]] 23:00:56 *** Progman [~foo@p57a1e921.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 23:02:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8187C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81CF2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:05:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:06:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9394 /branches/0.5/engine_gui.c: [0.5] -Fix (r9343): reading out of an array caused a segmentation fault. 23:08:20 <Zuu> About AI and drive though-stops, worth to mention is that nobody seam to be able to build them on city-roads, which is good news. 23:09:13 <antichaos> what about if you change the patch setting for that? 23:09:14 <Zuu> But since nothing hiders vehicles to drive on other companies roads they still have to be handeled in some sensible way. 23:09:32 <Zuu> antichaos: Is there a such patch-setting? 23:10:25 <Zuu> Hm.. looks like there are a such patch-setting. 23:10:30 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 23:12:35 <Digitalfox_Home> Any portuguese tranalator in the channel? 23:12:43 <Digitalfox_Home> translator 23:16:26 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip95.cab59.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:16:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:16:56 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip95.cab59.mus.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 23:27:26 <izhirahider> Digitalfox_Home, yes? 23:41:38 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:57 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:37 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54ac5002.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:20 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-225-211.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving]