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Cult of clonk _] 00:47:40 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:55:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81CF2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:57:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8120C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:57:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:06:43 *** Sacro_ [Ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:06:47 *** Sacro_ [Ben@87.102.80.216] has joined #openttd 01:09:00 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 01:23:48 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB7D79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:30:20 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb7d0c.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:47:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r9395 /branches/noai/ (bin/ai/regression/regression.txt src/ai/api/ai_road.cpp): 01:47:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix r9331: some AIRoad() depot and station directions were wrong (Zuu) 01:47:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix r9283: build/remove only half-road on start and end tiles 01:47:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Codechange: use a cleaner way to determine drive_trough/bus/truck flag (KUDr) 01:47:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Update: AIRoad() regression test 01:51:55 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl7-176-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Time for Sleeping] 01:54:22 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8120C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:56:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8493E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:56:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:58:29 *** luckz [~luckz@luckz.de] has left #openttd [] 02:14:01 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-176-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 02:14:10 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-176-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 02:14:30 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-176-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 02:16:34 <Smoovious> now, i'm not one to post links to avatars much... but I think this one is funny... http://www.geocities.com/carl4243/data.gif 02:17:31 <Smoovious> grr 02:17:44 <Smoovious> neevermind... went 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03:16:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Feature: Allow for a conversion callback system while reading configuration file, in case of wrong value. 03:16:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: This is the basic step, no patch setting is actually using it, so far 03:35:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9399 /trunk/src/settings.cpp: 03:35:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Feature: Openttd.cfg will now present landscape patch entry as been temperate, arctic, tropic or toyland. 03:35:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: This is the first usage of the callback conversion system of settings loading 03:42:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9400 /trunk/ (30 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: Use some more representative enum names for landscape types. 03:59:14 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:10:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9401 /trunk/projects/openttd_vs80.vcproj: -Fix(9400): was not supposed to commit that file 04:15:42 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:16:05 *** BFM 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timeout: 480 seconds] 08:38:18 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:51:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9402 /3rdparty/squirrel/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [Squirrel] -Fix: make squirrel compile on MSVC2005 (KUDr) 08:54:57 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9403 /branches/noai/src/stdafx.h: [NoAI] -Fix: make it compilable on MSVC2005 (KUDr) 08:56:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9404 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_object.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: one more MSVC2005 (KUDr) 08:58:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9405 /branches/noai/projects/ (4 files): [NoAI] -Fix: fix MSVC project files to include squirrel correctly 09:07:45 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-125-222-141.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 09:10:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9406 /branches/noai/ (7 files in 4 dirs): 09:10:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: made the detection of 'void' against 'non-void' functions for the class->SQ convertor via templates (as MSVC failed to understand the other method) (KUDr) 09:10:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix: merged squirrel_helper.cpp to squirrel_helper.hpp, as that was a silly attempt of TrueLight (KUDr) 09:10:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix: put all Squirrel conversion code in a namespace instead of a class (to avoid G++ bitching) (KUDr) 09:14:23 <peter1138> spam! 09:14:55 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-125-222-141.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:18:21 <TrueBrain> ham! 09:18:27 <peter1138> cram 09:20:49 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]] 09:37:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b82e96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:38:16 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-141-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:40:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b81990.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:41:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:42:19 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 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10:48:48 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 10:52:02 <mikk36> erm 10:52:06 <mikk36> new AI in development ? 10:52:40 <Rubidium> no 10:53:24 <Rubidium> an abstraction layer for OpenTTD so 'everyone' can develop AIs 10:57:42 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 10:57:48 *** asdkj3h4lkj [~b@1305.DialWorld.Pool.kuzbass.net] has joined #openttd 10:57:56 <asdkj3h4lkj> Hi there! ^^ 10:58:12 *** asdkj3h4lkj is now known as GhostBear 10:58:31 *** GhostBear is now known as GhostBear[Away] 11:00:55 *** GhostBear[Away] [~b@1305.DialWorld.Pool.kuzbass.net] has quit [] 11:11:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: celestar * r9408 /branches/gamebalance/src/ (7 files): 11:11:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [gamebalance] -Feature: The new economic data is stored in the savegame from now 11:11:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: on. I'll try to make sure that intra-branch compability is maintained in the 11:11:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: future for easier testing. Newer trunk games (as soon as trunk bumps the 11:11:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: saveload revision) will not load however. 11:15:58 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 11:15:58 <antichaos> !logs 11:17:29 <antichaos> Rubidium, does it matter greatly which of the pthread dlls I use? ie which exception handling is used? 11:18:07 <Rubidium> I've got no idea 11:18:40 <antichaos> np. I'll experiment :) 11:29:30 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:40 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 11:47:27 <antichaos> hmm, unresolved external symbols during linking. This is a bit beyond me 11:53:27 <SpComb> do you have all the dependancies? 11:54:23 <antichaos> Not sure. I'm thinking I put the library in the wrong place 11:56:21 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:57:20 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-62-167-122-111.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:22 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-28-58.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:09:50 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387D69F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:16:46 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C339.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:47 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 12:28:46 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:42 *** maddy [~maddy@84.4.235.143] has joined #openttd 13:03:44 <Belugas> hello 13:05:01 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 13:13:43 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a76d6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:54 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a76d6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:30:39 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:37:09 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37:36 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:39:06 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:39 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:08:16 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-224-224.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 14:12:57 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:15 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 14:19:44 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:19:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:24:18 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 14:25:12 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54ac5687.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:29:05 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-213-72.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: even rocky had a montage] 14:38:45 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:39:31 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:07:14 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@87.14.239.243] has joined #openttd 15:07:27 <Wolf01> hello 15:12:03 *** Scarzzurs [~Scarzzurs@0x57346dd9.ronxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:12:16 <Scarzzurs> Lo :-) 15:12:25 <Scarzzurs> I have a bug-report... 15:12:42 <Scarzzurs> My game crashed and an emergency save was made... 15:12:59 <Scarzzurs> Who should i talk to? 15:13:07 <TheMask96> bugs.openttd.org? 15:13:37 <Rubidium> Scarzzurs: what version? 15:13:43 <Scarzzurs> Latest 15:13:48 <Scarzzurs> 5.1 or sth 15:13:53 <Scarzzurs> not a nightly... 15:14:08 <Rubidium> it happened after a few game years and you were doing nothing? 15:14:16 <Scarzzurs> I can't seem to understand the bug report mech at http://bugs.openttd.org/... 15:14:51 <Scarzzurs> I was clicking the speed up/speed down button, but yes, it happened quit early in a new game... 15:15:08 <Rubidium> then it's a known and fixed bug 15:15:19 <Scarzzurs> Kewl :-) 15:15:28 <Scarzzurs> How/when can i fix it? :P 15:16:19 <Rubidium> can you compile yourself? If not, you should use 0.5.0 15:18:04 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.104] has joined #openttd 15:18:14 <blathijs> Rubidium: Bug introduced in 0.5.1? 15:18:17 <Scarzzurs> Aight then, i'll stick to the earlier version... 15:18:24 <Rubidium> nah, 0.5.1-RC1 15:18:41 <blathijs> Rubidium: even so, bummer we introduced a bug in a bugfix release ;-) 15:18:49 <TheMask96> lol :) 15:19:07 <blathijs> good we RC'd it first, though :-) 15:19:09 <Scarzzurs> It had some nice bug-fixes though :-) 15:20:25 <Scarzzurs> Btw. would one of you guys know and have time to talk some ttd engine stuff? I'm very interested in how the game works, and manages to run on a 166mhz processor without any slowdowns at all :-) 15:20:26 *** green-devil [~c@0x5733f135.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:21:07 <blathijs> Scarzzurs: It used to work on a 486 :-) 15:21:17 <blathijs> (might even do so still) 15:21:29 <Scarzzurs> Yeah, i just wrote what my first machine had :-) 15:21:39 <Scarzzurs> But that doesn't make it less amazing :-) 15:22:02 <blathijs> But I'm off to the shop, so you'll have to find another dev for talk 15:22:13 <Scarzzurs> Aighty :-) 15:22:59 <Scarzzurs> "You have a newer version of OpenTTD. Setup will now exit." *whine* 15:24:01 <UnderBuilder> will someday newcargos be added to the compile farm? 15:25:46 <Rubidium> Scarzzurs: sorry ;) 15:26:17 <Rubidium> blathijs: that's the whole idea of RCs and it was a fairly trivial bug _if_ you knew somebody renumbered VEH_* 15:26:48 <Scarzzurs> argh... When will this bug be fixed then? 15:27:09 <Scarzzurs> I mean, when will there be a new version with a fix for this bug out? 15:27:13 <Rubidium> UnderBuilder: well, if it gets into trunk it's get into the compile farm within 24 hours 15:27:13 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:27:26 <Rubidium> Scarzzurs: I don't know yet 15:27:41 <Scarzzurs> :-/ 15:29:04 <UnderBuilder> I mean if the newcargos branch will be added to the compile farm someday 15:29:25 <Rubidium> hmm, did I miss something 15:29:46 <glx> UnderBuilder: newcargo branch is 2 years old IIRC 15:29:52 <Rubidium> I don't see any newcargos branch 15:30:01 <glx> or is it cargopacket 15:30:06 <Rubidium> glx is referring to the cargopacket branch 15:30:45 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:19 <Belugas> or the newgrf lab branch i did a while ago? 15:31:37 <Belugas> it had some preliminary work on newcargo, after all 15:32:28 <UnderBuilder> so the newcargos branch hasn't even been created? 15:32:47 <Sacro|Laptop> there is no newcargos branch 15:32:55 <UnderBuilder> d'oh 15:32:56 <Sacro|Laptop> peter1138 is working on it locally afaik 15:33:11 <Belugas> yup :) 15:34:18 <Belugas> well... working.... playing with it maybe ? ^^ 15:34:53 <peter1138> it works 15:35:01 <Sacro|Laptop> commit! 15:35:07 <peter1138> i just need to get my lazy arse into gear and do that 15:35:08 <Belugas> and thus you play ! 15:35:17 <peter1138> yeah, i'm "locally testing" 15:35:41 <peter1138> fucking cunt 15:35:46 <peter1138> stupid idiot twat 15:36:17 <peter1138> told him he needs to add a query to deduct a shopping cart from the stock quantities in a database 15:36:55 <peter1138> end up with a single SQL query containing no variables, placed directly in the asp code, no database connection or processing at all 15:38:23 <Belugas> yeah... apprentices... alwasy do it youself when you want it done properly :) 15:38:37 <peter1138> or at all 15:40:46 <peter1138> SCO? ;p 15:40:58 <peter1138> bah, wrong window 15:43:55 *** Scarzzurs [~Scarzzurs@0x57346dd9.ronxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:52 <SpComb> /** Very ugly temporary hack !!! */ <-- 2007-01-12 22:19:49 +0200 (Fri, 12 Jan 2007) 15:45:06 <SpComb> these temporary hacks... 15:46:05 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-218-240.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:46:47 *** Scarzzurs [~Scarzzurs@0x57346dd9.ronxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:46:56 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 15:51:55 <UnderBuilder> how will be handled newcargos with no newindustries? by modifying standard ttd industries cargo acceptments? 15:52:19 <Maedhros> i doubt it / hope not 15:57:26 <Belugas> newindustries will arrive, in time, once it is done and well done 15:57:37 <Belugas> in the mean time, it will benefit newhouses 16:02:28 <antichaos> you mean the new bank in ttrs3 will work? 16:03:03 <Belugas> ? 16:03:56 *** GhostBear [~b@1305.DialWorld.Pool.kuzbass.net] has joined #openttd 16:04:01 <antichaos> ttrs3 replaces the bank - but it uses newindustries or something so it doesn't work in openttd. 16:04:03 <GhostBear> hi 16:04:43 <antichaos> so no banks in your towns 16:05:12 <peter1138> no 16:05:39 *** maddy [~maddy@84.4.235.143] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:05:50 <GhostBear> hi! x2 16:05:53 <GhostBear> =\ 16:07:17 *** UnderBuilder is now known as UndernotBuilder 16:07:32 *** GhostBear is now known as Admin 16:07:38 *** Admin is now known as World_Director 16:08:33 <antichaos> is that 'no you're right', or 'no you're wrong'? 16:08:43 *** carwe [~carwe@p54B36C91.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:08:57 <Belugas> the bank is an industry, newhouses does not deal with new industries. So, what could go wrong? 16:09:11 <hylje> what could *possibly* go wrong? 16:12:58 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.104] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 16:13:50 <antichaos> ugh - I hate it when I've been spending so long on database stuff that I start to think of the answer to any question in SQL :( 16:15:30 *** maddy [~maddy@84.4.235.143] has joined #openttd 16:18:38 *** carwe [~carwe@p54B36C91.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 16:19:53 *** World_Director is now known as GhostBear 16:30:16 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@87.14.239.243] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31:07 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@host243-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:31:35 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-28-58.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Have a nice time!] 16:40:05 <Zavior> What was the key combination for cheat menu? 16:40:18 <glx> ctrl-alt-c or ctrl-alt-win-c 16:40:47 <Zavior> Thankee 16:43:53 <GhostBear> cheat menu? :O 16:46:10 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:03 * GhostBear gonna explode :( 16:47:25 <Belugas> you don't need cheats... the game is too easy already :P 16:48:00 <peter1138> innit 16:49:01 <Belugas> lunch break! 16:49:09 <Belugas> ottd time :D 16:49:54 *** maddy [~maddy@84.4.235.143] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:09 <GhostBear> Belugas, that is why we should make game harded :P 16:51:25 <GhostBear> Or make anrgy AI who is fast clever and making things what you disklike :P 16:51:34 <GhostBear> Like exploding your busses with trains :D 16:51:45 <GhostBear> And btw 16:52:06 <GhostBear> IMO better bank take percents for long-time loans :D 16:52:17 <GhostBear> Every month for example 16:52:30 <GhostBear> (Of course switchable in "Configure Patches") 16:54:44 <Rubidium> GhostBear: you are already paying interest for loans 16:55:37 <Belugas> GhostBear : the balance branch has that purpose, making it more... balanced ;) 16:58:36 <antichaos> Are there any plans for a revamp of the scoring system? 16:58:55 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489e5b0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:59 <peter1138> not from me 16:59:08 <peter1138> i never look at it though 16:59:34 <Wolf01> bbl 16:59:37 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@host243-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 17:03:17 <antichaos> might be interesting to capture and score a few more things, like percentage of all available cargo transported each month 17:04:15 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489e0b6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:05:26 <antichaos> average rating across all stations 17:11:23 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 17:17:39 <Belugas> gaaaaa... direct map accesses ... rail_cmd.cpp 17:18:52 <Rubidium> signals.... 17:22:50 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:42 <peter1138> yunm 17:38:33 <Belugas> back to work@work 17:38:35 <Belugas> pffff... 17:38:49 <peter1138> boo! 17:38:53 <Belugas> Happiness in Slavery 17:38:58 <peter1138> i'm going to get your boss to sack you 17:39:06 <Belugas> GOOOD IDEA! 17:39:07 <peter1138> then you'll have plenty of free time :D 17:39:36 <Belugas> will take at least a week of full sleep before i cold enjoy free time ;) 17:42:52 <Belugas> hey... got an idea! Do that, and i'll call your own boss :) 17:43:14 <Belugas> Then, we'll meet and get over with all the pending ottd stuff :D 17:43:41 <ln-> do we have an OpenGL based video output possibility? 17:44:21 <ln-> why not? 17:46:08 <Belugas> what's wrong with the ones we have? 17:46:26 <ln-> performance, perhaps. 17:47:56 <Belugas> perhaps? 17:48:15 <Belugas> so to prove that, we should build one, then test 17:48:19 <Belugas> mmmhh.. 17:48:42 <ln-> os x fullscreen has one thing badly wrong. you cannot switch away from ottd. 17:50:06 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 17:53:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:53:52 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Words get written, words get twisted, old meanings change in the drift of time.] 17:54:01 <Belugas> could it be viewed as a bug in current os x system other then a video output system failure? 17:54:24 <Belugas> Bjarni may be the one to address the situation 17:54:29 <Belugas> "hopefully" 17:55:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:55:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:37 <ln-> Belugas: it's a feature of the API it is currently implemented with, i believe. 17:57:58 <peter1138> i remember seeing an updated driver somewhere 17:58:28 <ln-> Belugas: a patch (by mr. blackis) exists to do it in a more modern way, but it is considered to be a little too slow. 17:59:27 <peter1138> maybe that's the one 17:59:27 <peter1138> if you buy me an OS X machine, i'll do some testing... 18:00:25 <ln-> and blackis suspected apple's OpenGL implementation is so well optimized that an OpenGL implementation would probably be the fastest possible way. 18:00:26 *** Scarzzurs [~Scarzzurs@0x57346dd9.ronxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:03 <hylje> plus we could have wobbly UI with opengl 18:01:20 <Sacro|Laptop> yay 18:15:32 <Sacro|Laptop> openttd + comiz 18:15:32 <Sacro|Laptop> *compiz 18:15:32 <Belugas> wobbly? 18:15:32 <peter1138> simplest opengl engine would just draw the same stuff to a surface 18:15:32 <ln-> and to any non-technically oriented spectators i would like to point out that OpenGL video output doesn't mean 3D buildings and trains, everything would look the same as now. 18:15:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host243-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:15:32 <Wolf01> hello 18:15:32 <Patrick> opengl could potentially speed up sprites, right? 18:15:32 <Patrick> perhaps make it a zero-cost operation to move a window 18:15:32 <Patrick> things like that 18:15:32 <Belugas> opengl branch! 18:15:32 <stillunknown> I don't think a dependency on opengl just for that is justified. 18:15:32 <hylje> stillunknown: optional 18:16:31 *** SpComb [terom@194.197.235.145] has joined #openttd 18:22:01 *** lugo [~lugo@pd9582a23.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:30 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498DB2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:14 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 18:44:39 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 18:50:36 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D69F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:51:03 *** kenkku [~kenkku@fermium.niroj.com] has joined #openttd 18:51:39 <kenkku> anyone have any idea what's wrong, all my openttd sounds play at like 2x speed. running i386 Fedora Core 6, 0.5.1-RC1 18:57:35 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387D69F.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:48 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:35 *** Sacro|Mobile [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:03:15 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 19:05:12 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 19:07:26 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:27 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:04 <Zuu> kenkku: Sure you have not pressed the fast-forward-button? 19:22:20 <kenkku> Zuu: it begins in the startup screen 19:22:30 <kenkku> they're _always_ the same 19:22:36 <Patrick> sounds playing twice as fast 19:22:40 <Patrick> that's truly truly bizzare 19:22:51 <kenkku> Patrick: no kidding :P 19:22:58 <Patrick> I did some hacking on the sound system at one point, but this is beyond me 19:23:11 <kenkku> otherwise the game seems to be playing normally. at least what I remember from last time I've played it 19:26:33 <Zuu> kenkku: Trunk or Stable? 19:26:53 <kenkku> Zuu: 0.5.1-RC1 source, not from SVN 19:28:06 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:29:21 *** mode/#openttd [+nt] by ChanServ 19:29:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 19:29:24 *** mode/#openttd [-o peter1138] by ChanServ 19:29:35 <Zuu> kenkku: Okay, can't say anything more constructive than I've allready said.. :/ 19:33:20 <Patrick> what about game music 19:36:56 <kenkku> Patrick: I don't have any 19:42:14 * GhostBear wants to try develop an AI %( 19:44:11 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-116-36.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 19:45:35 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b81990.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:11 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B821FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:48:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:51:11 *** GhostBear [~b@1305.DialWorld.Pool.kuzbass.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:58:00 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:16 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 19:59:16 *** GhostBear [~b@1305.DialWorld.Pool.Kuzbass.Net] has joined #openttd 19:59:31 <GhostBear> whew... 19:59:47 <GhostBear> I afraied what got disconnected because of not paid internet =\ 20:07:54 <Zuu> GhostBear: You are on windows, aren't you? 20:11:10 *** boekabart_ [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has left #openttd [Back to work, back to work, everybody, work work work work!] 20:11:44 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D69F.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:15:19 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3FDE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:58 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 20:18:16 <Zuu> GhostBear: If your limit is windows you can try figuring some general logics like how do you select which cites to connect down to a algorithm. Try playing after your algorithm and see how it works. 20:19:44 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498F4A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:10 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3E685.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:22:59 <GhostBear> Zuu 20:23:03 <GhostBear> What do you mean? 20:23:11 <GhostBear> You mean "Play AI"? :D 20:23:45 <GhostBear> I have ideas for logics 20:24:10 <GhostBear> And btw i should even try to make it show some message and only after that i should start develop some logics =\ 20:27:50 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-224-224.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:19 *** green-devil [~c@0x5733f135.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 20:29:32 *** green-devil [~c@0x5733f135.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:32:53 <Zuu> GhostBear: If you are brave you can go down the hard route and install Linux, perhaps in vmware. Or you ask XeryusTC, who stated on the formus that he have made a modified win32-build which contain some of his development too. 20:33:12 *** GhostBear is now known as GhostBear[AFK] 20:33:24 <XeryusTC> yes, i have win32 build :) 20:34:09 <Zuu> Whith "Play AI" I mean that if you have came up with an path-finding algorithm, you play as player but you have your algorithm written down on a paper and follow that when you play. 20:34:16 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-226-156.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:34:32 <Zuu> Not limited to path-finding, can be any sort of algorithm. 20:44:54 <Zuu> Rubidium: In the documentation of AISign::GetMaxSignID, there is a 'town' left in the descrepton of the return value. Good work tough. Verifyed that the BuildSignal() works. 20:46:48 *** GhostBear[AFK] is now known as GhostBear 20:47:24 <GhostBear> :o 20:48:08 <GhostBear> well 20:48:19 <GhostBear> VMWare.. 20:48:21 <GhostBear> Hm... 20:50:13 <Zuu> GhostBear: Or VirtualBox.org if you want. 20:50:31 <GhostBear> I had vmware somewhere :o 20:50:35 <GhostBear> Should try to findout atm 20:52:25 <XeryusTC> Zuu: http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/blog/files/XeryusTC/TileList.diff 20:52:40 <XeryusTC> see if you want more tile information in it 20:54:59 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:57:47 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-218-240.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 20:58:48 <GhostBear> aha 20:58:51 <GhostBear> found :] 20:59:00 <GhostBear> Kubunti is Linux? o_O 21:00:44 <Belugas> haaaaa.... 21:00:51 <Belugas> day's over :D 21:00:55 <Belugas> night boyz 21:01:08 <peter1138> lies 21:01:11 <peter1138> it's only just begun 21:01:43 *** Progman [~foo@p57A1EEDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:58 <Belugas> lies again! i WILL sleep! 21:02:21 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-146-064.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:36 <hylje> belugas dont sleep 21:03:32 <Zuu> XeryusTC: Looks good, but I can't figure out how one is suposed to actually add a custom-score. But I guess that is something you might not have implemented yet. Or it will become clear later on when you have some useage samlpes to show. 21:03:44 *** Sacro|Mobile [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04:07 <XeryusTC> Zuu: not implemented yet 21:05:30 <Zuu> I can see it would be sweet to be able to overload filters, but I also see that it might become to complex for now. 21:07:08 <Zuu> But some overloadings are possible as it is now for example KEEP everyting except tiles with Road OR station. Just do two specific DROPS in sequence. 21:07:58 <Zuu> aka DROP road; DROP station 21:09:16 <hylje> TRUNCATE road; 21:12:02 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]] 21:16:03 <GhostBear> hm... 21:17:02 <GhostBear> Whew.. 21:17:05 <GhostBear> Installing :> 21:22:14 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-145-137.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:24:44 <GhostBear> Well 21:26:58 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:28:30 <peter1138> blind yet? 21:30:25 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-226-156.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:32:11 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.105.24] has joined #openttd 21:34:11 <XeryusTC> Zuu: it is quite easy to apply multiple filters 21:34:30 <Sacro> peter1138: me? its a bit better, but still not perfect 21:34:36 <XeryusTC> just run AITileList->Filter(foo)->Filter(bar); 21:34:59 <GhostBear> XeryusTC, you discussing AI? :> 21:36:41 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:36:49 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:37:04 <Zuu> GhostBear: XeryusTC is making a tool for using in AI-programming. 21:37:15 <XeryusTC> yes 21:37:18 <XeryusTC> a very usefull tool 21:38:56 <GhostBear> :] 21:38:57 <GhostBear> Nice ^^ 21:39:06 * GhostBear eating lemon 21:39:20 * GhostBear ... without tea!!! :-X 21:39:31 <XeryusTC> lemon tea? 21:39:35 <GhostBear> no 21:39:40 <GhostBear> just fresh lemon :] 21:39:45 <GhostBear> What you discussing atm? 21:39:55 <XeryusTC> there is only one type of true tea, and that is green tea :P 21:40:02 <XeryusTC> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/blog/files/XeryusTC/TileList.diff <- that 21:40:20 <GhostBear> Green Tea is my favourite ^^ 21:40:29 <GhostBear> Red tea is nice too but green pwns 21:40:42 <XeryusTC> heh 21:40:43 <XeryusTC> or white tea 21:40:49 <XeryusTC> i dont drink tea though 21:41:00 <GhostBear> this is c++? 21:41:03 <XeryusTC> coffee would be the drink for me 21:41:07 <XeryusTC> GhostBear: yes 21:41:12 <XeryusTC> all API is writen in C++ 21:41:17 <GhostBear> ah 21:41:19 <GhostBear> this is API :] 21:41:20 <GhostBear> nice ^^ 21:42:10 * GhostBear watching how Linux installing :] 21:42:16 <GhostBear> My first linux in life :] 21:42:41 * GhostBear <- do not think this person is windows-lover and lamer :\ He is just never used linux though 21:42:41 <XeryusTC> :o 21:42:42 <GhostBear> :] 21:42:50 <Sacro> GhostBear: distro? 21:42:54 <XeryusTC> i could have given you a win32 binary with the tile list ;) 21:43:05 <GhostBear> ?? 21:43:13 <XeryusTC> southpark is in! 21:43:18 <XeryusTC> well, almost :) 21:43:48 <Zuu> My AI currently selects two cities to connect (based on population and distance) and builds a bus-stop in each city and a depot close to the bus-stop. 21:44:22 <GhostBear> :] 21:44:24 <GhostBear> Yay! 21:44:34 <Zuu> But I've not done anything today, I've been "playing" with my drilling machine. :) 21:44:38 <XeryusTC> mine uhm, just names itself :P 21:44:41 <GhostBear> How to switch full screen in vmware? 21:44:54 <Zuu> GhostBear: Press the full-screen-button. 21:45:01 <Zuu> In the toolbar. 21:45:30 <Zuu> Fourth from right (checked) 21:46:12 <Zuu> If you are using Workstation 5.5 at least. 21:46:25 <Zuu> Other versions I don't know. :) 21:47:03 <Zuu> GhostBear: Which Linux distrubution did you choose? 21:47:11 <GhostBear> Kubuntu 21:47:16 <GhostBear> Not have others atm 21:48:10 <Zuu> Okay, almost any should be okay. Ther is no THE distrubution with big T. 21:48:28 <GhostBear> :] 21:48:41 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-176-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 21:50:29 <Zuu> KDE (standard desktop in Kubuntu) can be quite a CPU-hog in vmware I am afraid, but changeing to wmii (or fluxbox if you're not a keyboard-junkie) would fix that. 21:53:47 <GhostBear> Well 21:53:53 <GhostBear> I just booted from CD 21:53:56 <GhostBear> What next? 21:54:00 <GhostBear> Install os? 21:55:01 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 21:55:01 <Zuu> If you have not started the installation yet I would gess so. :) 21:55:06 <GhostBear> :] 21:55:26 <GhostBear> I not sure should i press dbl click or single click on Install ico? : 21:55:28 <GhostBear> :] 21:56:05 <GhostBear> Well 21:56:12 <GhostBear> Everything working slowly and laggy :o 21:58:30 <UndernotBuilder> a good port for openttd will be the neo1973 smartphone, developed software-side by the openmoko team (www.openmoko.org) 21:59:35 <UndernotBuilder> (this is not an ad thing, just a recommendation for a more port for a linux-based phone) 22:01:40 <UndernotBuilder> the processor runs at 266mhz, and has got 128mb of ram, so openttd should run minimally there 22:03:45 <UndernotBuilder> and all the phone is based in linux, so it is not an phone with a linux-based OS that runs over a propietary base software 22:04:29 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip95.cab59.mus.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 22:09:40 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip95.cab59.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:00 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 22:14:13 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.105.24] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 22:16:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> everyone's bound to have a "first time" ;) 22:16:30 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:05 <valhallasw> Is it correct it is impossible to see which trains share orders from spectator? 22:17:47 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl7-176-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 22:33:16 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:46 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:44:26 *** GhostBear [~b@1305.DialWorld.Pool.Kuzbass.Net] has quit [Quit: ...:::Clonk for ever:::... Cult of clonk _] 22:51:04 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-136-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:52:21 <XeryusTC> Zuu: btw, how does your AI determine where to build a station? 22:53:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: KUDr * r9409 /branches/noai/src/misc/autoptr.hpp: [NoAI] -Codechange: make AutoPtrT dtor() bit more robust - prevent recursive dtor() calls in the case of circular references 22:54:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host243-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolfolo|AWAY))] 22:54:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host243-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 22:57:22 <Sacro> wtf? 22:57:29 <Sacro> [22:56] * Sacro sets mode +R Sacro 22:57:34 <Sacro> what does that mean >< 22:57:39 <Patrick> mmm, R 22:57:41 <Zuu> XeryusTC: I'll replay later, I'm ironing my pants :p 22:58:09 <XeryusTC> ok 22:59:07 <Zuu> But basically it take TownLocation, find closest road, and from the road-network it searches for a tile next to existing road that a station can be built on. 22:59:07 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:05:30 <Zuu> The network-search don't rate the tiles it add to green-list after distance to center, it basicly select the first added tile from green-list when it select the "best" tile in green-list. I'll improve it later when I get some way to sort the array (green-list) in a nice way plus got build-road and buy vehicles stuff done. 23:05:34 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:06:10 <Wolf01> 'night 23:06:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host243-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 23:07:42 <Zuu> Favoring tiles close to city-center would be a quite good way to get more passengers. Not as exact as actually count the houses and their passenger-value, but atleast works with the current API. :p 23:10:09 <Zuu> One thing I think is interesting to do when I've got the road-link and busses is to work on the way it selects which cities to connect. Make it depend on an aproximation on how much the connection would cost to build and how much money is available. 23:11:00 <Rubidium> Zuu: you can build in 'test mode' and get the costs 23:11:32 <Rubidium> though I'm not fully aware of how it exactly works (yet) 23:12:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9410 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_road.cpp ai_sign.hpp): [NoAI] -Fix: some copy-paste mistakes... 23:13:49 <XeryusTC> gn 23:15:22 <XeryusTC> Zuu: the tile list will help you out alot ;) 23:15:25 <XeryusTC> anyway, im off 23:15:42 <Patrick> Zuu: similar to how people think 23:15:52 <Zuu> Rubidium: Yes, maybe could be used to aproximate the cost to connect the cities, but I'll probably not bulid it exactly in test-mode. That would make it 10*10 test-builds to find out which connection to choose. (I take the 10 top cities based on population and make a deeper study) 23:15:57 <Patrick> Zuu: is this AI C++, and will it be a likely successor? 23:16:10 <Patrick> I am interested in helping in one month from now :) 23:16:30 <Zuu> Patrick: Don't count on my work as the NEXT thing... I'm just playng around.. :) 23:16:54 <Patrick> well, if it picks up momentum and exceeds the current alpha as a replacement for the godawful default AI 23:16:57 <Patrick> I'm all for it 23:17:33 <Patrick> planes are easy to do for an AI because there's no infrastructure. road you're working on 23:17:36 <Patrick> rail, is interesting 23:17:44 <Zuu> If it makes money it is good for me. 23:18:08 <Patrick> we could make an AI that makes network rail 23:18:50 <Zuu> Patrick: Rail is much more complex than Road i think. 23:19:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9411 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: Add support for loading of newcargo data. 23:20:06 <Patrick> yes 23:20:27 <Patrick> something like the default AI to design routes but a smarter track layer would be a start 23:20:34 <Rubidium> Patrick: we (as devs) are currently only writing a API that AIs can use 23:20:49 <Patrick> but even there, people have given the AI specific high-level constructs 23:20:56 <Patrick> I'm talking about the signalled passing places 23:21:13 <Patrick> but for an effective AI railway, it'll have to just build specific patterns 23:21:29 <Patrick> Rubidium: hence the noai branch 23:22:42 <Patrick> the idea being that eventually, AI could be done something like a locally-hosted multiplayer game with AI clients 23:22:54 <Patrick> making such AI transparently work on network games 23:22:59 <Patrick> right? 23:23:22 <Rubidium> yes 23:23:41 <Rubidium> though in network games performing a command can take longer than in single player 23:25:00 <Patrick> so I guess there'll be portage of the new AI to the new API 23:25:18 <Patrick> I hope, at least, that the old AI was so integrated that porting it is impossible, finally rendering it dead in a future mainline release 23:25:28 <Patrick> I should really learn C, this is the project I care the most about 23:25:45 <Jezral> Know any other languages? 23:26:07 <peter1138> C++ :D 23:26:12 <Patrick> python, sadly 23:26:16 <Patrick> not really useful here 23:26:24 <Patrick> I've dabbled in C and C++, I know the syntax 23:26:29 <Patrick> but I'm far from competent 23:27:02 <Jezral> Eh, if you know one, you know them all. C, C++, Python, PHP, etc...all the same, basically. The hairy stuff is in logical and functional languages. 23:27:27 <Patrick> at least with the new switch I can just code all my patches using new features 23:27:38 <Patrick> a switch to std::string instead of char would be a godsend 23:27:50 <Rubidium> Patrick: just code in squirrel ;) 23:28:28 <Patrick> interesting 23:29:12 <Patrick> I wonder if AI is lightweight enough to be done in python... 23:30:33 <Rubidium> currently the AIs will be fairly fat as we only have a very thin API, when the API gets extended the AIs can become much smaller 23:31:04 <Patrick> There must be something I can do 23:31:28 <peter1138> erk 23:31:31 <Patrick> I looked at industry generation a long time ago, specifically all the stuff about where the subtiles are located in an industry is all from the original decompile :/ 23:32:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9412 /trunk/src/cargotype.cpp: -Fix (r8886): When looking up a cargo type by label skip disabled cargos 23:33:05 <Zuu> My current AI that selects two cities to connect and builds a bus-station and a depot in each is on ~600 lines squirrel. :) 23:33:55 <Zuu> Some lines is loan management and nameing too. But that is no more than ~50 lines I think. 23:33:57 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-125-222-141.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 23:33:57 <Patrick> I guess you're a squrrel kinda guy 23:34:15 <Zuu> Patrick: No, I had not heard about it a week ago. 23:34:37 <Zuu> I begun sunday or monday, don't rememeber enterly. :) 23:35:03 <Patrick> so why squirrel in this case? did you add support or was it there already 23:35:10 <Zuu> But I've got 4-5 years of C++. 23:35:38 <Patrick> it's just that, no offense to squirrel, but whenever I see a project that supports one particular choice of scripting language it's because that was the dev's favourite 23:35:44 <Rubidium> Squirrel is ~6000 lines of code, it can easily be embedded and supports classes out of the box 23:36:03 <Patrick> fair enough, you actually looked around for one 23:36:14 <Zuu> Patrick: I'm not much involved in the API-development (yet). :p 23:36:18 <Rubidium> Squirrel isn't even a dependency because all Squirrel code is automatically fetched on svn checkouts etc 23:36:38 <Rubidium> Zuu is only complaining about copy-paste mistakes ;) 23:36:41 <Zuu> Just found some bugs and discussed with XeryusTC a bit. 23:37:01 <Zuu> Rubidium: Heh :) 23:37:02 <Patrick> well cool 23:37:15 <Patrick> if it's that lightweight, embedded and typesafe and nice and high-level and so on 23:37:21 <Patrick> I'll go with that 23:37:31 <Patrick> is it planned to be kept in ottd permanently? 23:38:12 <Zuu> Rubidium: I actually implemented a build sign-function myself but I could not figure out how to change the text properly. :) 23:38:17 <Rubidium> that should eventual happen 23:38:32 <Rubidium> Zuu: yeah, lots of magic happens :) 23:39:14 <Zuu> I found the _cmd_text variable (or was it _cmd_txt) but I read your implementation and it lots more lines than mine was. :) 23:40:55 <Zuu> Some more magic I did not found.. :) 23:41:03 <Rubidium> mine does probably more checking and such ;) 23:46:07 <Digitalfox_Home> peter1138: r9411 means newcargo is now fully suported in openttd or just part of it? 23:46:19 <peter1138> no 23:46:52 <Zuu> Rubidium: That too :) 23:48:51 <Digitalfox_Home> peter1138: Ok my mistake :) 23:50:19 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D69F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:53:12 <Patrick> oh, yeah, the other feature I was gutted got droppeds 23:53:15 <Patrick> autosignals 23:53:25 <Patrick> have they vanished into the mists of time or what?