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00:00:49 <Rubidium> autosignals were never included afaik 00:01:22 <Zuu> Rubidium: You have forgot to change "town" to "sign" in the class description too. :p :) 00:01:59 <Zuu> Or it is just so on the public cashed version of the doxygen. 00:03:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9413 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: Remove default cargo translation table and use bitnums directly if no table is provided. This lets pre-cargolabel cargo definitions work. 00:04:05 <Zuu> Hm.. not in ai_sign.hpp, forgive me for that then.. :) 00:10:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:10:35 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Quit: Have a nice time!] 00:24:17 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-28-58.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 00:46:06 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D69F.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 01:09:43 *** green-devil [~c@0x5733f135.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 01:21:50 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:24:13 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pd9eb7c07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:30:50 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB7D79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:33 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:43:16 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54ac5687.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:24:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B821FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:26:31 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B845E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:26:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 02:31:09 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54b7516f.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:35 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54b7561c.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:40:35 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B845E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:41:43 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-145-137.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.11/2007031202]] 02:42:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b845e5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:42:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 03:05:13 <Digitalfox_Home> When buying land for future use, could someone please make it expansabe for both sides not just one?? Thank you :) 03:06:52 <rane> huh+ 03:07:07 <Digitalfox_Home> When i say expansable, i mean it be used just like when using level land 03:08:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, because that could be abused in multiplayer 03:08:36 <Digitalfox_Home> It would be much better if draggable for all sides 03:08:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> and the correct term is "dragable" 03:09:10 <Digitalfox_Home> oh ok :) 03:09:30 <Digitalfox_Home> Eddi|zuHause3: But you understand what i'm asking right? 03:10:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes. it is a pretty often asked question. and the answer is always the same :) 03:10:25 <Digitalfox_Home> I hope it makes sense 03:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> there was a patch somewhere that made it available in single player, i just don't know where. 03:11:17 <Digitalfox_Home> But can't it be limited to single play? That's where i need it :) 03:11:52 <Digitalfox_Home> single player 03:12:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have seen no attempt to include that in trunk 03:12:35 <Digitalfox_Home> ok 03:13:30 <Digitalfox_Home> By the way the other day i was talking about Multi-Threaded Programming in here, here's a news that may help out in openttd 03:13:44 <Digitalfox_Home> Multi-Threaded Programming Without the Pain http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/media/Riding%20The%20Multi-core%20Revolution.html 03:14:50 <Digitalfox_Home> Researcher Stefanus Du Toit discusses and demonstrates RapidMind, a software system he co-authored, that takes the pain out of multi-threaded programming in C++. For his demo he created a program on the PlayStation 3 representing thousands of chickens, each independently tracked by a single processing core. The talk itself is interesting but the demo is golden 03:16:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> i see nothing there that could even remotely help with openttd 03:18:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> and i am not going to download a 400MB video for something that could be explained in a 10kb text/pdf file 03:18:37 <Digitalfox_Home> It may help in making Multi-Threaded Programming more easy, but i'm not a programmer, so it's up to programmers to say if it helps or not :) 03:19:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> even if it does that, it still means rewriting the game from scratch 03:19:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> and nobody is going to do that 03:26:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b845e5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:26:55 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl7-176-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Time for Sleeping] 03:28:55 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:34:41 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-176-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 03:44:21 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp240-11.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 03:44:23 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp240-11.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [] 03:46:14 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:48:03 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pd9eb7c07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^2] 04:15:40 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb4ec6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:37:36 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:38:08 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:56:13 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 05:06:55 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 05:36:26 <mikk36[EST]> yay... 05:36:36 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 05:37:27 <mikk36> so on saturday night we can get an interruption in server's runnings without really having to do an interruption :) 05:53:15 <PandaMojo> Silly question: Are the VS solution files for OTTD hand-mantained, or auto-generated? 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12:03:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: celestar * r9414 /branches/gamebalance/src/ (clear_cmd.cpp town.cpp town.h): 12:03:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [gamebalance] -Feature: The cost of purchasing land off a town depends on the wealth level of a town. 12:03:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [gamebalance] -Fix (r9386): Town::GetRadiusGroupForTile returned the wrong towns 12:04:44 <Guest14> anybody out there? 12:06:10 <antichaos> what's the problem? 12:07:10 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:30 <Guest14> i would linke to use the full resoltuion (2560x1600) of my display, but 1920x1200 seems to be the maximun, even if i set it manually in the config file 12:07:31 *** Guest14 [~roland@swserv1.swbs.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [] 12:07:42 <Mucht> well 12:07:43 <Mucht> :-P 12:08:11 *** roland123 [~roland@swserv1.swbs.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined #openttd 12:08:20 <roland123> sorry, was off short time 12:09:40 *** davis [~hi@p5090ae73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:10:27 <roland123> if found http://ttforums.owenrudge.net/viewtopic.php?t=28671 but what the hell is miniin? 12:11:20 <Mucht> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Miniin 12:13:13 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-143-239.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:20:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1ce8d.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:25:28 *** Xkeeper [m@ip72-193-66-186.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:45 <Xkeeper> I was just looking to see if there was any information on GRF editing out; so far all I've found is GRFcodec and GRFWizard, which refuses to run without TTDPatch and seems to not support anything past sprite editing (i.e. no info/stats) 12:40:10 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:55:49 *** cichy [cichy@xdsl-12182.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl] has joined #openttd 12:55:52 <cichy> elo 12:56:16 <cichy> no 12:56:33 <cichy> no :D 12:56:39 <cichy> no men 12:57:04 *** cichy [cichy@xdsl-12182.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:29 <Belugas> hello 12:58:47 <Xkeeper> I'm trying to read this TTDPATCH wiki about the subject 12:58:53 <Xkeeper> and it's rediculously confusing 12:59:34 <Belugas> why? 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 12:59:44 <Xkeeper> it just, er, is 12:59:47 <SpComb> it is indeed 13:00:03 <SpComb> nfo is pretty close to binary code :) 13:00:26 <Xkeeper> i'm used to working with hex editing (ROM hacker, kind of) bu this is just getting complex 13:00:26 <Belugas> yeah... on that point of view, i agree 13:00:39 <SpComb> there's also GRFMaker 13:00:43 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 13:00:45 <Xkeeper> ...whatwhere 13:00:52 <SpComb> a nice GUI that does all that 13:00:58 <SpComb> with some limitations, probably 13:01:10 <Xkeeper> would you mind throwing a link around, since the documentation on this is so sporadic 13:01:16 <Belugas> i don't think it does "all" :P 13:01:18 <Xkeeper> I'd rather not waste another 7 hours finding it. 13:01:19 <SpComb> iirc it still hasn't been publically released, you have to contact the authros to get it, or something 13:01:24 <Xkeeper> ... 13:01:25 <SpComb> I don't know myself because I've never uesd it... 13:01:32 <Xkeeper> brb, smashing head into wall 13:02:11 <Belugas> simple text editor, grfcodec, a few samples... and of course a good image editor... 13:02:16 <Belugas> work work work 13:02:20 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-143-239.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:49 <Xkeeper> considering all I wanted to do was make a copy of a maglev engine but play wiht the engine settings of it 13:03:04 <SpComb> yup, it's not simple 13:03:47 <Xkeeper> I on't even know where to start anymore =\ 13:04:33 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:49 <SpComb> 15:03:23 < SpComb> Aegir_: has GRFMaker been released publically? 13:04:49 <SpComb> 15:04:32 <+Aegir_> SpComb: No. Nobody has heard from Szappy or gl2 in quite a while. For various reasons, I've initiated migration to raw NFO... 13:06:00 <davis> :I 13:07:00 <Xkeeper> and naturally 13:07:01 <Xkeeper> C:\OpenTTD-Nightly\GRFCodec>grfcodec -d ..\data\ukrsap1w.grf 13:07:02 <Xkeeper> GRFCodec version 0.9.10 - Copyright (C) 2000-2005 by Josef Drexler 13:07:02 <Xkeeper> Decoding: 13:07:02 <Xkeeper> Cannot write to sprites/1250_horn.wav: No such file or directory 13:08:56 <Xkeeper> I give up. 13:10:03 <Xkeeper> random pointless errors, grfcodec making corrupted PCXs, meh 13:10:11 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:24:50 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 13:26:06 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-224-242.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 13:32:20 *** TinoDidri [~projectjj@130.226.173.22] has joined #openttd 13:35:02 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CD85.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:35:30 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-143-239.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 13:37:10 *** ammler_ [~ammler@adsl-89-217-143-239.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 13:37:19 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-143-239.adslplus.ch] has quit [] 13:37:25 *** Jezral [~projectjj@130.226.173.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:28 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-152-176.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:43:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:47:19 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@host243-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 13:47:21 <Wolf01> hello 13:49:03 *** GhostBear [~b@217-116-141-36-xdsl-dynamic.kuzbass.net] has joined #openttd 13:49:14 <GhostBear> hi there 13:50:01 *** Jezral [~projectjj@130.226.173.22] has joined #openttd 13:50:38 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:50:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:52:54 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip95.cab59.mus.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 13:56:25 *** TinoDidri [~projectjj@130.226.173.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:46 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip95.cab59.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:00:13 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@host243-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10:01 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12:06 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@87.14.239.243] has joined #openttd 14:12:30 <Zavior> Is there any info about PBS coming back in 0.6.0 or so? 14:13:26 <Belugas> no info, no intention, no work in progress either. 14:13:27 <Belugas> Sorry 14:13:43 <KUDr_wrk> 0.6.0 will be too soon for new PBS 14:14:18 <ln-> what about newmap 14:14:35 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-110-194.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 14:14:39 <GhostBear> PBS? 14:14:49 <Belugas> ln-, same thing 14:14:54 <Belugas> Path Based Signaling 14:15:02 <Zavior> What about 0.7.0 then? (: 14:15:26 <KUDr_wrk> ln-: what do you expect from newmap from user perspective? 14:15:34 <hylje> tunnels with signals 14:17:17 <ln-> KUDr_wrk: hmm, tunnels that can have curves underground, and possibly underground railway stations. 14:18:03 <ln-> and why not junctions underground as well. 14:18:06 <Mucht> yes 14:18:22 <Mucht> only airports underground don't make a sense 14:18:25 <Belugas> 0.6.0 will CERTAINLY not have these features... Take a lot of work to be done prior of that 14:18:43 <Belugas> and many questions not answered yet 14:19:01 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 14:19:24 <Wolf01> i hope for 32bpp :) 14:19:31 <KUDr_wrk> ln-: yes, those changes will probably need to happen too, but newmap itelf will not give you those features 14:19:49 <KUDr_wrk> it will allow us to work on them 14:20:15 <KUDr_wrk> so asking about them regarding 0.6.0 is really too early 14:20:46 <hylje> underground airports and arbitrarily shaped airports would be very ftw 14:21:23 <Mucht> could there be some hacky workaround to set a tunnel property like "signaled = true"? 14:21:34 <Mucht> this could help a lot in most games ;-) 14:22:27 <peter1138> pom te pom 14:22:41 <hylje> it would still involve signal logic inside nonexistant rail 14:23:00 <ln-> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php?title=Roadmap_0.5&oldid=3688 14:23:20 <Belugas> currently, only the entrance and the exit of the tunnel is known in the map. Placing signals IN the tunnel will means recode the tunnel as well as path finding, from waht i know 14:23:24 <Mucht> :-P 14:23:48 <Mucht> yeah even only at the entry tile thats a great help to have a signal 14:23:48 <Belugas> and let's not do any HACKY workaround, but well done stuff 14:23:52 <Rubidium> ln-: what do you want to prove with that? 14:24:00 <Belugas> hello mister signing peter1138 14:24:46 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:57 <peter1138> signing? 14:25:38 <Belugas> singing :( 14:25:43 <Mucht> signaling? 14:25:45 <Belugas> "pom te pom" 14:27:09 <ln-> Rubidium: that i can copy-paste urls from the browser. 14:27:29 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 14:27:36 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:00 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 14:32:14 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 14:41:46 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB4EC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:46:13 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 14:49:08 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-110-194.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:49:44 <DaleStan> Xkeeper: Can you PM or DCC me the offending grf file, please? Or point me to a download location? 14:51:51 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB4EC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 15:03:39 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:04:10 <Wolf01> bbl 15:04:12 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@87.14.239.243] has quit [] 15:09:36 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Words get written, words get twisted, old meanings change in the drift of time.] 15:11:15 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:11:16 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:23 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:12:01 *** carwe [~carwe@p54b36cc1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:15:25 <peter1138> DaleStan: "corrupted" PCXs is probably just the wrong palette... 15:15:34 <DaleStan> Yeah, but 15:15:47 <peter1138> cannot write to a file is probably a full disk, heh 15:15:53 <DaleStan> "Cannot write to ..." is something else. 15:16:58 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:19:04 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.44] has joined #openttd 15:19:24 <Sacro> "General ideas and structures behind computer games and programs can be copied as long as the source code and graphics are not, the UK's Court of Appeal has ruled." 15:20:49 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip95.cab59.mus.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:21:41 <UndernotBuilder> a question: will some new default cargos be added to openttd when newcargos gets ready? 15:22:31 <boekabart> Maybe, but only new ones. Like computers and hybrid cars. It would have been called oldcargos otherwise, wouldn't it? 15:22:31 *** GhostBear is now known as GhostBear[AFK] 15:22:55 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:23:34 <peter1138> hurr hurr 15:23:38 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:23:42 <peter1138> UndernotBuilder: unlikely 15:23:58 <peter1138> more flexible to add stuff by newgrf 15:24:13 <Belugas> UndernotBuilder : the idea is to proide the users to create grf files in order to make their own new cargo 15:24:27 <peter1138> and means the default game doesn't change for those who like it as it is 15:24:36 <peter1138> adding cargos is of course easy 15:24:48 <peter1138> but then you need to add or change industries to be able to use them 15:26:47 <UndernotBuilder> and for multiplayer, where each player must download one per one the newgrfs, there is the problem 15:27:05 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip95.cab59.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:28:18 <peter1138> well, ok 15:28:25 <peter1138> it would be possible to add stuff as a new climate 15:29:08 <peter1138> along with a load more static industry definitions 15:29:52 <peter1138> i'm not doing all that work though :p 15:32:11 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-236-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:32:59 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Words get written, words get twisted, old meanings change in the drift of time.] 15:41:55 <UndernotBuilder> well in this case, the most correct solution is tell to all to download newgrfs, and if you got too many newgrfs, ask for permission to grf creators for distribute them all zipped like in openttdcoop 15:42:33 <peter1138> what? 15:42:54 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:47:42 <UndernotBuilder> <UndernotBuilder> and for multiplayer, where each player must download one per one the newgrfs, there is the problem 15:48:13 <peter1138> why? 15:48:23 <peter1138> are you suggesting users are too lazy to download stuff? 15:49:26 <UndernotBuilder> partially yes, they generally don't want to download grfs only for play a server and start to search other servers 15:49:36 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 15:51:03 <Belugas> that's their problem... anyway, they already have to look for compatible servers. grfs affect the game, so they must match 15:51:33 <Belugas> laziness kills, well done job is rewarding 15:53:40 <Zuu> UndernotBuilder: Because of the problem with copywhright there have to be volontary for the grfs to be allowed to be shared automatically. 15:54:53 <Zuu> However even if it start out voluntary if the critical mass is there most grf-creators would feel a "need" to agree on that. 15:55:50 <hylje> i'm still all for a flag which allows grfs to be propagated 15:56:00 <hylje> which defaults to "no" when not present 15:56:33 <hylje> that option would give multiplayer convenience to the user-friendly grf makers 15:56:43 <hylje> and let the nazis keep their own ways 15:58:05 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 15:58:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> but allowing to redistribute a grf is no choice of the server, but of the grf author 15:58:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 15:59:08 <hylje> the flag would be embedded in grf files 15:59:33 <hylje> a server keeper could of course patch his server to propagate 'em anyway 15:59:48 <hylje> but that can't really be prevented 16:00:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> sure it can, by not implementing a system to propagate anything. 16:00:40 <hylje> which accomplishes nothing 16:01:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, but it also takes no work :p 16:01:16 <hylje> yeah, except for the users 16:01:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> since when does anyone care, what the users want? :p 16:02:14 <hylje> i think the users care 16:03:59 <hylje> but let's say someone provides a patch to propagate properly flagged grf files. would that be rejected because of DRM issues (patching the patch to not care about flags) 16:06:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> besides of the work and bandwidth issues, even if you get such a flag included in the specs, no current grf has that flag, so you wouldn't accomplish anything anyway (in the short future) 16:06:39 <hylje> that gives the foundation 16:06:49 <hylje> and bandwidth is not a problem 16:06:57 <hylje> a server can choose to not propagate too 16:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> bandwidth may not be your problem, but bandwidth is a problem for a lot of people 16:07:36 <hylje> your point? they need the grfs anyway 16:07:43 <hylje> which eats the same amount of bandwidth 16:07:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> i mean for the server side 16:07:58 <UndernotBuilder> out to school 16:08:02 <UndernotBuilder> bye 16:08:06 <hylje> usually the grfs are hosted on a server 16:08:15 <hylje> be it a http, ftp or ottd dedicated server 16:08:22 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.44] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 16:13:50 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-1554.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:36 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:49 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-1069.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:30:19 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip95.cab59.mus.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 16:33:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:35:50 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip95.cab59.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:10 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-1069.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:31 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46:56 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 16:52:36 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 16:52:52 *** maad [~emade@82.160.115.202] has quit [] 17:02:33 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489F357.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:04:14 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-167.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:04:16 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-167.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 17:05:23 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 17:05:40 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489e5b0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:35 *** green-devil [~c@0x5733f135.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:16 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-176-179.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 17:15:04 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl7-176-179.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 17:15:40 *** kdr_ [materi@h-85-24-203-79.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:49 *** kdr [materi@h-85-24-203-79.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:19:47 *** Digitalfox_Home is now known as Digitalfox_Desktop 17:20:13 *** Digitalfox_Desktop is now known as Digitalfox 17:20:43 *** Digitalfox is now known as Digitalfox[Home] 17:25:02 *** roland123 [~roland@swserv1.swbs.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 17:25:29 *** Yogibear [~blaat@89.220.68.89] has joined #openttd 17:25:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1ce8d.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:25:51 <Yogibear> hey, ive been looking through the wiki and forums, but I can't seem to find the exact formula for profit? 17:26:37 <Mucht> just a question: why is there a 4k passenger limit on stations? 17:26:44 <Mucht> or better: 4k everything-limit 17:26:56 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip95.cab59.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 17:26:59 <davis> no idea 17:27:15 <davis> why do you need more then 4k at one station? 17:27:16 <davis> :q 17:27:20 <Mucht> thx for this high quality comment davis 17:27:26 <davis> np 17:27:30 <Mucht> join our sandbox and you know why 17:27:38 <davis> ah :/ 17:27:41 <Mucht> because its like 0 - 4k passenger within seconds all the time 17:27:44 <Mucht> and thats boring 17:28:13 <Yogibear> so anyone know the exact formula for profit? 17:28:23 <Yogibear> it's something like distance * amount of goods 17:28:44 <davis> distance time amount of goods 17:28:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> Yogibear: check the source code... something like VehicleEnterStation() or so 17:28:59 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Eat 17:29:45 <Yogibear> davis, yea i said that... but it's a bit more complicated then that ;) 17:29:49 <Yogibear> Eddi|zuHause3, thanks, i'll take a look 17:30:03 <davis> :> 17:30:10 *** Marcel [~marcel@ip230-4-209-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:32:35 <antichaos> Yogibear, it's basically distance * goods * timefactor * price... 17:33:05 <Yogibear> is it distance, measured by coords, or by length of road/track ? 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Wooo o Whooo 18:48:20 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 18:48:55 <NiceBook> Dammit... What's the name of that small pdf-reader? 18:49:25 <Digitalfox[Home]> FOX-IT maybe? 18:49:41 <Patrick> the "vehicles" options need to be fixed badly 18:49:47 <Rubidium> pdf2text ? 18:50:01 <Patrick> too many pathfinders - is there still merit in having them all user-controllable? 18:51:38 <NiceBook> There are many pathfinders for... Road vehicles? 18:53:17 <Patrick> yapf, ntp, npf 18:53:28 <Patrick> some of these options could do with merging 18:53:30 <glx> ntp is for train only 18:53:36 *** davis [~hi@p5090ae73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: mow? :(] 18:54:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> the vehicle tab is too crowded, i agree 18:55:14 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-83-100-154-218.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:58:55 <Thomas[NL]> I also notices there is (requires NPF), although I thought this also works for YAPF 18:59:32 <Thomas[NL]> I'm sure, I just tried 18:59:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, the text needs updating 19:00:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> yapf is supposed to support every (trunk) feature that NPF did 19:00:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> only faster 19:01:15 <Thomas[NL]> seems like a little update :) 19:03:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> btw, i thought about ship pathfinding, and i believe it is best to just do a depth-first search, bail out at 2*distance, and tell the user to build a buoy in between 19:05:45 *** imaginner [~imaginner@acmu161.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:06:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: miham * r9415 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 19:06:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-03-23 20:04:40 19:06:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 1 changed by ThomasA (1) 19:06:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 5 fixed by moewe2 (5) 19:06:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 fixed by miham (1) 19:06:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: portuguese - 8 fixed by Digitalfox (8) 19:06:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 9 fixed by Fishingsnow (9) 19:08:06 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-110-194.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:35 *** GhostBear [~b@217-116-141-36-xdsl-dynamic.kuzbass.net] has quit [Quit: ...:::Clonk for ever:::... 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19:36:00 <peter1138> right click on it 19:36:05 <peter1138> (along with anything else) 19:36:06 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@84-72-112-171.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 19:36:08 <dihedral> hehe good point 19:36:11 <dihedral> :-P 19:36:31 <dihedral> never asked anything :-P 19:39:55 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@84-72-112-171.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 19:40:23 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@84-72-112-171.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 19:50:59 *** GhostBear [~b@217-116-141-36-xdsl-dynamic.kuzbass.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1ce8d.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:57:26 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b83044.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58:08 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@88.196.223.30] has joined #openttd 19:58:49 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has left #openttd [Your eyes grow heavy.. you grow very sleepy..... zzzz...] 19:59:38 *** maad [~emade@82.160.115.202] has joined #openttd 19:59:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b80b17.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:59:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:01:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9416 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: Split NewGRF Action 3 handler into separate functions for each feature (vehicles are common, though) 20:01:36 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-173-230.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 20:05:41 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:40 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-173-230.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:18 *** imaginner [~imaginner@acmu161.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Try something fresh] 20:11:56 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:12:07 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 20:12:29 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:15:02 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54a3e32b.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:10 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3FDE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:25 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498f547.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:23:42 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-236-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 20:26:10 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p5090855d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:37:44 <TrueBrain> What is this channel boring! 20:38:18 <TrueBrain> (lol, talking about bad english :p) 20:41:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> i can talk about commas, where peter1138 thinks, they don't belong, does that count? 20:43:19 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:20 <Vikthor> nazdar 20:43:46 <Vikthor> sorry wrong window, anyway hi :) 20:44:59 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause3: sounds good enough 20:51:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9417 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Fix (r1): Waiting cargo icons in the station view window were incorrectly drawn if the cargo list was scrolled, resulting in overlapping images 20:52:43 *** Nigel [~nigel@202.154.148.165] has joined #openttd 20:55:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9418 /trunk/ (10 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: Implement actions 1/2/3 for cargos, callback handler and custom icon sprites 20:55:51 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.146] has joined #openttd 21:00:50 <UndernotBuilder> Multiplayer > all the ttdpatch advantages over openttd :) 21:00:50 *** mic [~chatzilla@213.141.137.47] has joined #openttd 21:00:57 <[gen2]niki> i have one question 21:01:05 <[gen2]niki> why are sergeys gfx files so big?! 2 gb? 21:01:17 <[gen2]niki> i mean normal, even good looking 2d games are not even nearly as big 21:02:23 <peter1138> because there are 32bpp and mahoosive 21:02:25 <peter1138> *they 21:02:54 <[gen2]niki> o.o oh well 21:03:03 <UndernotBuilder> and also all the features in ttdpatch are possible in openttd, but not all of the ottd ones are possible in the patch, examples multiplayer, bigger maps etc. 21:03:10 <[gen2]niki> any idea how i could bring it together without dieing of traffic? 21:03:14 <peter1138> UndernotBuilder: shut up 21:03:23 <[gen2]niki> bittorrent? 21:03:34 <peter1138> bt might work 21:03:57 <UndernotBuilder> I am defending openttd, why I should shut up? 21:04:00 <DaleStan> UndernotBuilder: multiplayer is in development, and larger maps is quite possible. We know how to do it; we just haven't actually done it yet. 21:04:17 <UndernotBuilder> because of this... 21:04:56 <Sacro|Mobile> 2gb isnt that much, its only 400MB 21:04:59 <[gen2]niki> peter1138: so you think its realistic to build a 32bpp package with replacements? 21:04:59 <UndernotBuilder> multiplayer in ttdp is in hold or is active yet? 21:05:21 <DaleStan> Talk to oskar; he's the brains behind it. 21:05:34 <peter1138> Sacro|Mobile: only if your maths is screwed up 21:05:52 <Sacro|Mobile> peter1138: indeed it is... 21:05:55 * Sacro|Mobile cannot count 21:06:00 <Sacro|Mobile> 250MB 21:07:36 <peter1138> ow 21:09:20 *** Yogibear [~blaat@89.220.68.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:12:33 <Belugas> UndernotBuilder : we do NOT want to have ottd VS ttdpatch war. Two different games, two diferrent engines, two different dev environnement. So please, as peter1138 said, shut up on that matter. thanks 21:12:53 <UndernotBuilder> well... 21:12:59 * UndernotBuilder shuts ups :| 21:13:14 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 21:13:14 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 21:13:42 <Belugas> thanks. You can talk about other things but that, though 21:14:16 <TrueBrain> so let's talk about the weather! 21:14:22 <Belugas> i'm just sick and tired of those useless comparaisons 21:14:23 <TrueBrain> Is it as pretty over there as it is here? 21:14:23 <peter1138> it's cold :( 21:14:31 <Sacro|Mobile> yes, it is cold 21:14:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, let's talk about linux distributions ;p 21:14:37 <Sacro|Mobile> ARCH FTW 21:15:05 * TrueBrain thinks about giving Eddi|zuHause3 a nice +b mode :p 21:15:16 <TrueBrain> MWHAHAHAAHHAA :p 21:15:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> it was the warmest winter of all times, and just in time for the start of spring, it starts snowing :p 21:15:49 <Sacro|Mobile> TrueBrain: you have no powers here 21:15:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> the snow is still there after 2 days 21:16:02 <TrueBrain> Sacro|Mobile: you would be suprised :p 21:16:12 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause3: I want snow :( :( 21:16:15 <Sacro|Mobile> TrueBrain: that i probably would be 21:16:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> i believe TrueBrain is the founder of this channel 21:16:36 <Sacro|Mobile> orly? 21:16:49 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause3: nah, current founder is DarkVater 21:17:32 <UndernotBuilder> 2.5gb openttd? that's ridicoulous 21:17:41 <TrueBrain> it comes on DVD! 21:17:58 <TrueBrain> it runs in HDTV mode! 21:18:06 <TrueBrain> it has 5.1 support! 21:18:12 <Rubidium> UndernotBuilder: you do not need to run the 2.5 GB version 21:18:14 <glx> and needs DX10 :D 21:18:15 <TrueBrain> you can hear the cows mooing behind you 21:18:22 * TrueBrain kicks glx 21:18:24 <Sacro|Mobile> hmmm http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/openttd.html 21:18:26 <Sacro|Mobile> lots of stats 21:18:57 <TrueBrain> lol, I am still #6 21:18:58 <TrueBrain> cool 21:19:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> it still says "freenode" 21:19:41 <glx> Statistics generated on Friday 26 January 2007 - 4:08:03 <-- it's old 21:20:03 <Sacro|Mobile> does anyone still talk on freenode> 21:20:20 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html <- this is more recent :p 21:22:31 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: KUDr * r9419 /branches/noai/ (8 files in 5 dirs): [NoAI] -Codechange: support AI threads also on Win32 (using threads on Win95 and fibers on other Win32 platforms) 21:23:18 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p5090855d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:24:09 <mic> hi, i have a question 21:24:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> "i" is the most often referenced nick :p 21:24:33 <TrueBrain> if it isabout OpenTTD, you might have found the right channel 21:25:09 <mic> is there a way to download missing newgrf automaticly? just click on "orange lamp" server and join? 21:25:25 <mic> or is somebody who developing it or having in plans? 21:25:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> no 21:25:28 <TrueBrain> Nope, there isn't. You will have to find the grfs yourself before you can join the server 21:25:49 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@85-124-173-230.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 21:26:00 *** wonea [~wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:26:07 <mic> very bad, autodownload is the first think that come to mind 21:26:18 <mic> *thing 21:26:31 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 21:26:49 <TrueBrain> funniest thing that they had a discussion about that subject not that long ago :) 21:27:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, it's in today's 21:27:41 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 21:27:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> !logs 21:28:13 <TrueBrain> timestamp: today, around 16:50 CET 21:28:15 <TrueBrain> !openttd time 21:28:17 <_42_> TrueBrain: it currently is Fri Mar 23 21:28:15 UTC 2007 21:28:27 <TrueBrain> so 15:50 UTC :) 21:28:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> the times in those logs are probably GMT+2 21:28:50 <Sacro|Mobile> hmm... 21:28:54 <Sacro|Mobile> we move to BST soon 21:29:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, most of europe does 21:29:15 <TrueBrain> CEST 21:29:15 <glx> we move to CEST sunday 21:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> (switch to summertime, not BST) 21:30:16 <Sacro|Mobile> your on BST now 21:30:20 <Sacro|Mobile> well, GMT+1 21:30:23 <TrueBrain> CET :) 21:30:36 <Sacro|Mobile> same difference 21:30:50 <TrueBrain> yes, but two very different things 21:30:56 <TrueBrain> you can't intermix them, it is wrong 21:31:13 <TrueBrain> BST indicates summer, CET isn't :) 21:31:38 <TrueBrain> (see, the conversation has improved :) From weather to timezone :)) 21:31:56 *** wonea [~wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:32:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's like penguins and ice bears 21:32:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> they never meet 21:32:55 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-173-230.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:32:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> nor do BST and CET 21:33:29 <TrueBrain> "I, Robot" is a cool movie :) Always was, most likely always will be :p Till of course the day it becomes reality 21:36:40 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CD85.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:40:14 <Belugas> i prefer Blade Runnner, as much as robots movie, personnaly... 21:40:36 <TrueBrain> Blade Runner :) :) 21:41:23 *** Sacro|Out [~Ben@adsl-83-100-130-80.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:42:09 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-110-194.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:42:14 <Belugas> 3 ns, for going faster ;) 21:42:59 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-186-57.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:44:15 <peter1138> blade runner is nice 21:44:52 <TrueBrain> 3 Sacros.... this guy starts to scare me.... 21:45:22 <glx> just kick him :) 21:45:43 <glx> he's used to that 21:45:49 <TrueBrain> Good idea :) 21:47:01 *** Sacro|Mobile [~Ben@adsl-83-100-154-218.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:58 <Belugas> the atmosphere of Blade Runner seems so real, so living space... and the robot who fightts to be human... dazzling :) 21:49:05 <Belugas> i can watch it over and over again 21:49:32 <mggrant> nod, awesome movie :) 21:49:35 *** Sacro|Out [~Ben@adsl-83-100-130-80.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:54 *** GhostBear [~b@217-116-141-36-xdsl-dynamic.kuzbass.net] has joined #openttd 21:51:06 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-186-57.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'm not sure i've ever seen blade runner 21:52:17 <TrueBrain> go and rent it 21:53:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes. i am going to "rent" it, or something :p 21:53:41 <TrueBrain> :) 21:54:29 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-213-249-187-66.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:55:01 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> honestly. i have hardly seen any movies lately 21:56:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'm too much into watching series 21:56:58 <TrueBrain> hehe: 278G ../extern/series 21:57:00 <TrueBrain> I know that :p 21:57:15 <TrueBrain> +problem 21:58:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think i can beat that :p 21:58:39 <TrueBrain> I have no doubt 21:58:50 <TrueBrain> I promised myself not to exceed this storage device :) 22:00:47 <Belugas> i've got too mocu work to even watch TV, but once or twice a whole week :S so enjoy on my behalf 22:01:21 <TrueBrain> Poor Belugas 22:01:27 <Triffid_Hunter> heh, 553G 551G 2.1G 100% /mnt/storage :/ 22:01:57 <TrueBrain> I am waiting till they created infinite storage devices 22:01:59 <mggrant> 22G media/tv ;) 22:02:00 <TrueBrain> that never run out of space 22:02:00 * mggrant loses 22:02:14 <TrueBrain> some kind of compressed space/time :p 22:05:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> my stuff is too distributed to count in one command 22:05:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i have around 400GB in series and another 400GB in movies 22:05:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> and i can't get around to bring that stuff on DVD 22:07:40 <Belugas> Babylon5..that was a really cool series :) 22:07:51 <Belugas> specially the last 2 ones 22:08:18 <GhostBear> ^^ 22:08:27 <GhostBear> Yeah... They was nice :> 22:09:13 <TrueBrain> and now I am going to practice my biggest hobby: SLEEP! Night all :) 22:09:18 <Belugas> the shadows were soooo amazing 22:09:23 <Belugas> pussy! 22:10:05 <TrueBrain> love you too Belugas :) 22:10:41 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:10:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host243-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:20:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9420 /trunk/src/texteff.cpp: -Fix [FS#701]: crashes when the chatbox would be drawn outside of the main window. 22:23:20 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-224-242.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:24:33 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@88.196.223.30] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 22:25:12 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:29:33 <Digitalfox[Home]> Belugas: I'm downloading the complete Babylon5 Series, i'm hoping to be a great TV Serie.. 22:30:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have never got round to watching B5 complete 22:30:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> i only watched a few sporadic episodes 22:30:55 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:07 <Digitalfox[Home]> like me, but this time i want understnd the full story 22:31:09 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 22:31:16 <Digitalfox[Home]> *understand 22:32:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> du -s serien/Babylon\ 5/ 22:32:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> 44385609 serien/Babylon 5/ 22:33:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> i heard they were producing some new B5 movies 22:33:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> "the lost tales" or something 22:33:42 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:43:51 *** davis [~hi@p5090AE73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:44:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9421 /branches/0.5/ (16 files in 3 dirs): 22:44:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r9392, r9415, r9420, custom): 22:44:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: crashes when the chatbox would be drawn outside of the main window [FS#701] (r9420) 22:44:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Language updates (r9392, r9414, custom Simplified Chinese) 22:44:18 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.11/2007031202]] 22:49:29 <Belugas> Digitalfox[Home], i hope you'll like it. I've found very interesti8ng the idea of all those cultures mixing up on the station. Each culture is so well defined (specially on the latter episodes) 22:49:55 <Belugas> "the lost tales"... sounds appealing :) 22:50:15 <Digitalfox[Home]> ok 22:51:15 <Digitalfox[Home]> After Seeing Stargate SG 10 Seasons and 3 Atlantis Seasons, + Full Seasons of Andromeda it's my next TV Night Watching :) 22:53:43 <mic> ...hmm, for me, MiniIN looks like OpenTTD in 2017 year 22:54:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> MiniIN is SOOOO 2006 :p 22:54:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9422 /branches/0.5/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [0.5] -Prepare 0.5 branch for release of 0.5.1-RC2. 22:55:23 <mic> ...so, OpenTTD is obsolete :P 22:56:16 <mic> go and play.... hm locomotion? :) 22:57:08 <mic> good luck everybody 22:57:13 *** mic [~chatzilla@213.141.137.47] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007020803]] 22:57:58 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-0231.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 22:59:32 <Digitalfox[Home]> Som strange poeple showing up here.. And mic is one of them ... 22:59:38 <Digitalfox[Home]> *Some 22:59:49 <Digitalfox[Home]> *people 23:00:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9423 /tags/0.5.1-RC2/ (6 files): -Release 0.5.1-RC2. 23:01:12 <Belugas> bye 23:01:15 <Belugas> Digitalfox[Home] 23:01:23 <Belugas> ? 23:01:27 <Belugas> forget that 23:01:42 <Belugas> pffff... tired 23:02:39 <Digitalfox[Home]> Bye Belugas :) 23:03:42 <Digitalfox[Home]> Have a nice weekend belugas :) 23:04:44 <Belugas> errr.... no, i'm still not leaqving, i though you were... i'm tired, did i said that? 23:04:51 <Belugas> but thanks anyway :D 23:05:42 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 23:05:59 <Ailure> [00:04] <Ailure> heh 23:05:59 <Ailure> [00:04] <Ailure> autoreplace seems to be broken in latest nightly for every vehicle that isn't trains 23:05:59 <Ailure> [00:05] <Ailure> seems to happen only when there's more than one vehicle avaible in the list :p 23:07:18 * Ailure researchs and hopefully adds to bugtracker soon.. 23:08:37 <Belugas> cold coffee 23:08:39 <Belugas> beaurk 23:08:48 * Belugas fills up the mog 23:08:52 <Belugas> mug 23:10:58 <Bjarni> Ailure: well, explain 23:11:04 <Bjarni> and tell me who broke my code :p 23:11:09 <Ailure> Posting it right now on bugtracker 23:11:11 <Ailure> xD 23:11:14 <Ailure> so you can as well view it there 23:11:52 <Ailure> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/704 23:11:55 <Ailure> :p 23:12:15 <Ailure> I'm not sure about severity 23:12:25 <Ailure> but I guess it's critical if it crashes the application and is a well-used feature 23:12:37 <Ailure> or is critical along the lines of "causes the computer to blow up" 23:12:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> i still think manual replace should be limited to stopped trains 23:12:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is an annoying inconsistency 23:13:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> "sell all" also only sells stopped vehicles 23:14:16 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-0231.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:10 <Ailure> Bjarni: I have no idea who broke it though as I have no idea whta broke it. 23:15:34 <Ailure> But maybe you should raise your cane. ;P 23:15:48 <Zuu> Ailure: Critical is something that crashes the application or is severe and affects many users. (my interpretion) 23:15:59 <Ailure> well 23:16:02 <Ailure> it kinda affected severeal users 23:16:03 <Ailure> xD 23:16:08 <Ailure> it crashed a multiplayer server I had going 23:16:17 <Ailure> due to the host (me) having to open the autoreplace aircraft window 23:16:21 <Bjarni> critical is whenever somebody screws up and makes the game unplayable 23:16:27 <Ailure> ah 23:16:36 <Bjarni> like crashing the servers ;) 23:16:41 <Ailure> hehe 23:16:53 <Zuu> If OpenTTD have a bug that only affect Wacom-users it is not critical even if it is severe to wacom users. 23:17:08 <Ailure> I kinda assumed it was a multi-platform problem 23:17:08 <Zuu> Okay 23:17:10 <Bjarni> that's an open question 23:17:12 <Ailure> although I have no way of confirming that :p 23:17:25 <Ailure> and besides, thngs like severity can be biased 23:17:59 <Ailure> what I find weird though 23:17:59 <Bjarni> like it isn't severe if it's platform specific.... I would say that the "installer deletes all savegames when updating" bug was severe 23:18:04 <Ailure> is that trains dosen't seem to crash with that bug 23:18:09 <Ailure> I mean, autoreplacing trains 23:18:48 <Rubidium> well, when you can crash your openttd by doing 'mission critical stuff' (things you cannot do another way) then it should be critical. If you can (fairly) easily circumvent them I'd say they are severe 23:19:29 <Rubidium> in this way the autoreplace bug would be severe because you can replace them manually (hell-of-a-job though) 23:19:42 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-213-249-187-66.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20:18 <Bjarni> it crashes the game though 23:20:23 <Rubidium> but the bug that causes 0.5.1-RC1 to crash when you are doing nothing and it comes with an offer for a prototype vehicle would be categorized critical 23:21:12 <Ailure> heh 23:21:18 <Ailure> I wonder how that bug managed to sneak through 23:22:03 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-0613.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 23:22:37 <Rubidium> in 0.5.0 VEH_Train = 10 or so, in trunk VEH_Train = 0 23:23:07 *** TDR_ [~none@5ac12418.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:23:14 <Rubidium> so when you use trunk's VEH_Train as index into an array you'll get item 0, when you do that in 0.5 you get item 10 which is way outside of the array 23:23:25 *** TDR_ [~none@5ac12418.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 23:24:20 <Rubidium> and when you forget that happened and test some savegames for a few months because the bugs in them were triggered quite soon, you might not hit the bug 23:26:22 <Ailure> I have to keep myself from using autoreplace the whole game now 23:26:23 <Ailure> D: 23:26:26 <Ailure> That's really hard 23:26:29 <Ailure> I'm a autoreplace addict 23:36:15 *** davis [~hi@p5090AE73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: mow? :(] 23:40:26 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:42:20 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-0613.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:50 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@85-124-173-230.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 23:56:00 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58:02 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]