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00:16:22 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 00:16:22 <Sacro> !logs 00:21:39 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21:41 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 00:39:34 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F879.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:49:37 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:26 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-11-211.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:22:27 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-207-67.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:33:12 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.112] has joined #openttd 01:34:05 <UndernotBuilder> so for when we will have a openttd:// syntax? 01:36:30 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.112] has quit [] 01:55:24 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:21:51 <Belugas> stange comment, UndernotBuilder 02:22:02 <Belugas> too bad you're not there to explain that a little bit :S 02:26:46 <roboman> Ive heard of people talk about having openttd use a openttd:/ syntax for mp. dunno why. maybe to allow anyone to write a program that could easily join an mp game 02:29:32 <Belugas> i still don't kow whta that's mean :( 02:29:45 <Belugas> what is a openttd:/ sintax?? 02:31:03 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76208.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:30 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75542.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:40:04 <eJoJ> It means like a hyperlink, you press f.eks openttd://ipaddress.to.server.and:port and it automaticly launches the game and connect to the server 02:41:40 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:47:49 <Belugas> ho 02:47:53 <Belugas> mmh 02:48:02 <Belugas> and it's so vital?? 02:48:18 <Belugas> seems like a bit laziness to me :S 02:49:57 <Belugas> anyway... 02:50:14 <Belugas> i hope he can find someone to give him a patch for that 02:50:23 <Belugas> as for me, going to snore 02:50:26 <Belugas> bye 03:27:04 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:32:09 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 04:11:57 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:13:59 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 04:16:35 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:16:58 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 04:40:41 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:03:22 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 05:07:51 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:07:51 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 05:12:22 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:13:30 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 05:13:30 *** blathijs_ [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 05:22:49 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 05:24:31 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 05:24:42 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 05:32:22 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:36:17 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:38:31 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0F879.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:02:09 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-147-139.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 06:02:23 *** TronBSD is now known as Tron 06:03:57 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-147-139.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:36:01 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:41:57 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CF53.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:46:53 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 06:48:09 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-27.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 07:00:13 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:14:04 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-27.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:35:04 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 07:40:10 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:44:28 *** hnsn [~hnsn@pc11-321-01.Student.hig.se] has joined #openttd 07:44:34 *** blathijs_ [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:47:22 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 07:54:09 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:12:21 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57a0fd35.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:17:05 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0F879.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:21:36 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:37:36 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-11-211.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:39:52 <Smoky555> hi all 08:40:07 <hnsn> hello fellow ottd player 08:41:17 <Smoky555> where i could place scr files? such as on_server_connect.scr ... 08:42:57 <Rubidium> scripts/ I guess 08:43:50 <Smoky555> but ... if i change script before server starting, i need to restart server or not? 08:44:41 <Rubidium> don't know 08:47:04 <boekabart_> Someone who knows the map array better than I do: I saw suggested in the forum (3 years ago), a type of tunnel that wouldn't start on a hill edge, but on flat land going down on the start-tile. Bridges have this flexibility (to start either on flat land going up, or on sloped land staying level), why not tunnels. Really that hard? Doesn't sound that way.... 08:48:30 <peter1138> Smoky555: no 08:48:35 <peter1138> Smoky555: it's read whenever it's used 08:48:41 <peter1138> so you can change it mid-game 08:49:49 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has quit [Server closed connection] 08:49:55 <Rubidium> boekabart_: it ain't much a problem of the map array, but rather fixing the graphics and pathfinder code 08:50:18 <Smoky555> peter1138 : ok, i make on_client.scr in scripts folder, i add 'say "Hello" ' into it. thats mean, that with new client server must say to all "Hello", isn't it? 08:50:18 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 08:51:01 <peter1138> on_server_connect.scr does that 08:51:12 <boekabart_> Rubidium: how would it be any different for the pathfinder? 08:51:42 <peter1138> on_client is used by the client when it connects (and is fairly useless) 08:51:50 <Rubidium> because of the up/down penalties 08:51:52 <Smoky555> peter1138: yep, it's work, thanks :) 08:51:58 <boekabart_> for gfx, could be an IF (if land flat, take 'dug tunnel' gfx, if not, take 'old' gfx), for path finder no diff. 08:52:06 <boekabart_> train height code, same if as ^^ 08:52:38 <boekabart_> up/down: right. Anyway, doesn't sound like anything that is impossible in the current map array, right? 08:53:22 <boekabart_> biggest advantage would be to be able to tunnel under sea, and slightly shorter tunnel entrance footprint 08:53:39 <Rubidium> no, but you need to fix 3 pathfinders and 2 vehicle controllers (I think) 08:53:59 <peter1138> amend 08:54:08 <peter1138> adding features isn't fixing :) 08:54:14 <boekabart_> :) 08:54:29 <boekabart_> so i'd need to featurize 3 pathfinders? 08:54:42 <Rubidium> I think so 08:54:51 <Rubidium> maybe even 4... 08:54:51 <boekabart_> and of course the building UI 08:56:03 <peter1138> coming up with a decent UI is hard 08:56:21 <boekabart_> idea: copy from bridge ui? 08:56:45 <boekabart_> tunnel is now a limited version of bridge, idea is to make it 'same' . if you know what i mean 08:57:08 <peter1138> yes 09:00:02 <boekabart_> as in: you know, or as in: i think that's feasable 09:00:25 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code is a psychopath who knows where you live.] 09:08:34 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Quit: I shouldn't really be here - dircproxy 1.0.5] 09:15:14 <peter1138> as in, that's feasible 09:16:54 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:21 <Smoky555> huh, does anybody doing something with transparenting in trunk? 9653,9655 from trunk, 9655 nightly,9673 from trunk - transparenting doesn't working (for houses and trees). configs generating with first run. local dedicated server, localclient connected. 09:32:35 <Smoky555> running local game - transparenting - doesn't working too ... 09:34:59 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 09:36:34 <Smoky555> all stable releases works fine with transparent ... 09:39:19 <peter1138> what in particular doesn't work? 09:39:45 <peter1138> oh, i get it. 09:39:51 <peter1138> press x and it behaves like it did 09:40:14 <peter1138> or use the transparency toolbar off the map menu 09:40:52 <peter1138> changes != broken :p 09:42:13 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openttd 09:42:32 <Smoky555> ok, i see, thanks ... :) 09:43:27 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit [] 09:44:31 <peter1138> actually i will change it so the menu option toggles all 09:44:32 *** hnsn [~hnsn@pc11-321-01.Student.hig.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 09:44:36 <peter1138> (the same as X) 09:46:23 <peter1138> otherwise there is only the short cut key to do that 09:50:11 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8243C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:51:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80D33.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:51:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:01:12 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/transopt.diff might do the job... 10:05:15 *** TheJosh [~josh@d220-238-182-33.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:06:57 <TheJosh> Hey, what code-wise are the devels wanting the most? 10:12:31 <TheJosh> documentation basically? 10:13:41 <ln-> teleporting trains. 10:13:42 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 10:16:32 <peter1138> heh 10:16:46 <peter1138> make vehicles warp from one side of the map to the other 10:16:59 <peter1138> to emulate a 'spherical' world... 10:17:12 <peter1138> though it would be a doughnut... 10:17:23 <ln-> btw, ludde himself mentioned teleporting 10:17:33 <peter1138> yes, but he was shot down 10:23:02 <peter1138> that was for emulating bendy tunnels 10:23:16 <peter1138> but 'real' tunnels are deemed better 10:24:28 <TheJosh> so ditch this documentation then? 10:24:43 <TheJosh> we could just have the map scroll onto itself 10:24:46 <peter1138> ditch which? 10:24:55 <TheJosh> i am adding documentation tags to functions 10:25:13 <peter1138> well, i was jesting about the warp... 10:25:32 <TheJosh> ah ok 10:26:46 <peter1138> iirc farms used to be able to plant fields on the opposite side of the map, if they were near the edge 10:27:00 <ln-> has the ear ring bug been fixed yet? 10:27:17 <peter1138> no, nobody cares about faces 10:27:22 *** hnsn [~hnsn@pc11-321-01.Student.hig.se] has joined #openttd 10:28:03 <peter1138> especially not the 'females' 10:31:27 <ln-> i know one dev who could care about the 'males' being bi. 10:33:40 <TheJosh> Hey In-, did you hear my patch got in? 10:34:49 <peter1138> ln-, yes, bjarni... he seems to have an obsession with that sort of thing... 10:35:27 <ln-> TheJosh: hey th3j0sh, i didn't. congrats. 10:35:54 <ln-> TheJosh: also, please switch to another font in your irc client/terminal. 10:37:07 <TheJosh> Thanks. it was all Maedhros really. 10:37:38 <TheJosh> What is wrong with my font? this irc client is mega simple, does not support multiple fonts 10:37:51 <ln-> you don't see the difference of l and I. 10:38:03 <ln-> and probably not 1 and l and I. 10:39:30 <TheJosh> actually i can see 1 from i and | 10:39:34 <TheJosh> and I 10:39:41 <TheJosh> what is your name 10:40:13 <TheJosh> sorry 10:43:28 <peter1138> ln-, short for 'Lord kNowitall' 10:44:14 <ln-> ok, admiral. 10:46:13 <TheJosh> ln as in the linux command for link? 10:49:49 <TheJosh> shutting up now 10:59:33 *** lolman_ [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:59:33 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:59:49 <TheJosh> Ok i cant help talking, meh, i have just made a documentation patch, does anyone want it? 11:00:09 <TheJosh> i was told yesterday they are useful or something 11:00:45 *** lolman_ is now known as lolman 11:02:32 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-69.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 11:05:15 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-69.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:05:32 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-69.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 11:06:44 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 11:10:21 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:16:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> talk to belugas, he is doing documentation stuff.. 11:17:50 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has joined #openttd 11:19:47 * peter1138 gruarghs at C# 11:20:09 <peter1138> "Control cannot fall through from one case label to another" indeed :/ 11:23:21 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:26:32 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27:38 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:45:49 <TheJosh> Hey is there a function I can use to display a message on the screen or something for debugging purposes? 11:46:09 <TheJosh> like a messagebox style thingo, or a console message 11:47:29 *** Taikaponi [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:47:56 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:12 <peter1138> debug("foo", "message with formatting %d", 42); 11:49:37 <peter1138> generally i abbreviate the function name in the first parameter, though it's freetext... 11:52:54 <TheJosh> what is the 42? 11:53:01 <TheJosh> the universe, life and everything? 11:53:05 <peter1138> example parameter ;p 11:53:12 <peter1138> for the %d 11:53:14 <TheJosh> ah ok 11:53:27 <peter1138> it's like a printf, but with an extra parameter at the start 11:53:35 <peter1138> and no need for \n at the end 11:54:05 <TheJosh> i get an error: debug is not declared in this scope 11:54:12 <peter1138> hmmz 11:54:18 <peter1138> #include "debug.h" at the top? 11:54:38 <TheJosh> is now 11:57:04 <TheJosh> ok heres a tougher one: how do you use the function SetObjectToPlace from a popup menu item 11:59:12 <TheJosh> it sortof works: i take a copy of the window handle in the proc function, and use it later, show thingo but doesnt call my proc function when the user clicks 11:59:33 <peter1138> uh 11:59:38 <peter1138> pass :) 12:00:03 <TheJosh> let me guess, you hate GUI code too? 12:00:32 <peter1138> :) 12:03:25 <TheJosh> does that debug launch a window or go to the console? 12:04:42 <TheJosh> nvm 12:05:18 <peter1138> console :) 12:08:06 <TheJosh> im trying to code 'fund a town'...now ive got to the point where it says 'cannot put a town here'... 12:11:38 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:11:38 *** Taikaponi [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:38 <TheJosh> w00t...i founded a town! 12:18:07 <TheJosh> how do you change the current players money 12:18:09 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:22:38 <hnsn> hello also 12:22:41 <hnsn> Ctrl + Alt + C 12:22:43 <TheJosh> hello 12:23:28 <TheJosh> no i am talking from a code perspective. I found a function to subtract, now I need a check function, because it made my bank balence -50million... 12:24:47 <TheJosh> while towns should be expensive, it should report 'you are broke' rather than just make you bankrupt... 12:25:36 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-69.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:24 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 12:46:19 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:46:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:52:28 <Thomas[NL]> are there any train-tunnel-grf's for OTTD? 13:04:31 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-133-218.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:04:32 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-133-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:41 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 13:04:42 <Belugas> hello 13:05:20 <Belugas> TheJosh : yes, documentation patches are more then welcome :) 13:05:30 <Belugas> show me da stufff! 13:07:02 <Thomas[NL]> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=576682#576682 13:07:04 *** KUDr|wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has quit [] 13:08:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1d0fd.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:23 <TheJosh> My doc patch is currently part of another patch I created called 'fund a town', but ill remove those bits and give you just the doc bits 13:12:38 <TheJosh> Belugas: do you want the doc patch? 13:13:06 <Belugas> of course :) 13:19:02 <peter1138> * This obviously only works in the scenario editor. Function not removed 13:19:02 <peter1138> * as it might be possible in the future to fund your own town :) 13:19:03 <peter1138> lol 13:19:44 <TheJosh> thats what im supporing in a patch i just amde 13:19:57 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 13:20:42 <peter1138> yes, i know 13:21:11 <TheJosh> good point 13:27:55 *** TheJosh [~josh@d220-238-182-33.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 13:28:58 *** maddy [~maddy@88-136-249-118.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #openttd 13:29:05 <maddy> hiho 13:29:17 <maddy> Brianetta: can you reset the server pls? :D 13:29:19 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 13:52:00 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:53:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1d0fd.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:42 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 13:56:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1d0fd.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:57:25 <Belugas> !seen Maedhros 13:57:27 <_42_> Belugas, Maedhros (~jc@host86-136-233-235.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) was last seen quitting #openttd 21 hours 50 minutes ago (18.04. 16:06) stating "Ping timeout: 480 seconds" after spending 6 hours 23 minutes there. 13:57:40 <Belugas> 21 hours!!!! 13:57:50 <Belugas> tht's awfully long time! 14:06:46 <peter1138> hmmz 14:12:14 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387DB21.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:17:01 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:59 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CF53.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:04 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25:39 *** hnsn [~hnsn@pc11-321-01.Student.hig.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 14:25:54 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-233-235.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:26:13 <Maedhros> hi 14:28:31 <peter1138> ah ha! 14:28:35 <peter1138> the man himself 14:29:22 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:30:09 <Belugas> hello Maedhros :) 14:30:23 <Belugas> how doyou DARE been away for 21 hours ??? 14:30:26 <Belugas> shame on you ;) 14:30:55 <peter1138> 22 actually 14:31:08 <Belugas> time flies... 14:31:23 <Maedhros> hehe, i'm sorry! 14:32:12 <Maedhros> although it's exam season again, so you probably shouldn't expect to see me much until early June 14:33:35 <Belugas> you're excused :) 14:33:43 <Belugas> real life is the best excuse ;) 14:36:01 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: celestar * r9674 /branches/gamebalance/ (102 files in 7 dirs): [gamebalance] -Sync: r9322:9420 from trunk 14:48:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: celestar * r9675 /branches/gamebalance/ (35 files in 8 dirs): [gamebalance] -Sync: r9420:9520 from trunk 14:50:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9676 /trunk/src/ (industry.h industry_cmd.cpp): 14:50:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Codechange: introduce NUM_INDUSTRYTYPES instead of IT_END. 14:50:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: This makes the code clearer. 14:50:35 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-147-139.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 14:51:25 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:51:54 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51:55 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 14:52:21 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-147-139.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:55:09 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:07:41 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:55 <Belugas> whooo... no conflicts :D 15:14:57 <SpComb> sync? Merge? 15:15:20 <Belugas> nope... work :) 15:18:13 * peter1138 conflicts with working in the summer 15:18:52 <SpComb> move to antarctica 15:18:58 <SpComb> it's a fun place to be 15:19:08 <SpComb> depending on where you go 15:20:03 <Belugas> peter1138, there is an empty chair by my side :) 15:20:15 <Belugas> you're more then welcome to fill it 15:20:21 <Belugas> it's cool in here ;) 15:22:19 <peter1138> :D 15:22:29 <peter1138> if i could work from home... 15:22:33 <peter1138> i could have my aircon pointing at me... 15:22:43 <peter1138> and no clothes :x 15:23:04 <SpComb> oo ya 15:27:44 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:44 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:54 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 15:29:56 <Belugas> i pass! 15:31:10 *** lolman_ [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:31:36 <Thomas[NL]> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=576638#576638 what terrain grf's is he using :S? 15:32:57 <peter1138> japan landscape, iirc 15:33:41 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 15:35:23 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:40:10 <SpComb> peter1138: move to finland, it's a pleasant +4°C outside right now 15:40:59 <Belugas> samo in Quebec 15:41:09 <SpComb> although it was a rather warm 28°C on the 15th 15:41:23 <SpComb> that was probably measured in the (light of the) sun, though 15:41:39 <Belugas> never reached that this year. LAst time it was that hot was in last summer :S 15:43:12 *** Daimos [~Daimos@p57b2b05d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:48:28 <peter1138> WHO! HAR! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR 15:49:55 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip195-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 15:50:02 <MeusH> hey 15:51:17 <peter1138> MEUSH 15:51:29 <MeusH> yo homie 15:51:34 <MeusH> I see nice progress :) 15:51:37 <peter1138> yo homo :p 15:51:52 <MeusH> not nice 15:52:01 <peter1138> what isn't? 15:52:16 <MeusH> random 15:52:22 <MeusH> whatever 15:52:36 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:50 <Belugas> pertinent... 15:53:02 <peter1138> pert tits? 15:53:20 <Belugas> nice work on tropics, MeusH,by the way 15:53:35 <MeusH> thanks, I'm drawing sprites right now :) 15:53:49 <MeusH> if you have any suggestions please go on :) 15:54:45 <Belugas> nope... 15:54:46 <Belugas> sorry 15:54:57 *** TinoDidri [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 15:55:05 <Belugas> don't want to influence The Artist 15:55:32 <MeusH> influence me :) 15:55:35 <MeusH> please :D 15:55:44 * peter1138 feeds MeusH something alcoholic 15:55:48 <peter1138> now you are under the influence 15:55:53 <MeusH> yeeea 15:55:54 <MeusH> more! 15:56:25 <MeusH> I'm having problems with pipes on oil station... That's one big spaghetti :) 15:56:39 <MeusH> but more alcohol will untie the spaghetti 15:56:40 <MeusH> or whatever 15:56:43 <peter1138> GAH 15:56:52 <peter1138> sometimes my browser locks up :( 15:57:00 <peter1138> but it happens with opera, firefox and IE... 15:57:22 <MeusH> it happens for me when there is something related to Java or Flash (firefox) 15:57:23 <Ailure> It happens with msnmgr, explorer.exe and firefox here too 15:57:35 <peter1138> MeusH: i'm only on our wiki though... 15:57:37 <Ailure> well it's usually related to slashdot for some reason 15:57:43 <peter1138> i think i need a reinstall 15:57:46 <MeusH> hmm 15:57:47 <peter1138> or some linux, heh 15:57:51 <peter1138> but i need vs 2005 ;/ 15:57:55 <MeusH> oh yeah peter1138 do you know what's up with MiHaMiX? 15:58:01 <Ailure> ok i'm unable to revive explorer.exe 15:58:15 <Ailure> it goes 50% CPU all the time, without starting. :/ 15:58:16 <peter1138> no, what's up with MiHaMiX? 15:58:32 <peter1138> Ailure, heh, my control panel makes it do that 15:58:48 <Ailure> ok now it revived 15:58:51 <Ailure> sometimes it helps to like 15:59:00 <Ailure> termite, start, terminate, start, terminate 15:59:02 <Ailure> repeat 15:59:09 <Ailure> until it finally starts 15:59:34 <MeusH> peter1138, could you take a look at http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/User_talk:MeusH#Scenario_Namespace ? 15:59:43 <MeusH> MiHaMiX is kinda gone and he doesn't respond 15:59:59 <peter1138> hmm? 16:00:20 <MeusH> they want to have something like Scenario:Pagename 16:00:21 <peter1138> Scenario: seems ok 16:00:23 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387DB21.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:00:25 <peter1138> or not? 16:00:29 <MeusH> yeah 16:00:34 <MeusH> but someone has to do it 16:00:39 <peter1138> hmm 16:00:41 <peter1138> but 16:00:42 <MeusH> to find it in the code and modify it 16:00:50 <Ailure> you need to change the code for that? 16:00:55 <peter1138> would Category Scenario not work? heh 16:01:08 <peter1138> all the links in the wiki/html code, i guess 16:01:18 <Ailure> that's how it's done on most wikis too I belive 16:01:25 <Ailure> unless i'm misunderstanding what they want 16:01:35 <MeusH> it's pretty simple 16:01:39 <MeusH> wait a sec 16:02:07 <MeusH> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Custom_namespaces 16:02:08 <MeusH> this 16:02:31 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:32 <peter1138> well, i got rid of most of GFXDev: 16:02:43 <peter1138> but mainly because two of the pages in it were redundant 16:02:51 <peter1138> and *lots* of stuff that should be in it isn't 16:03:15 <peter1138> hmm, so you have to edit them there too? that's lame ;p 16:03:38 <Ailure> aaah 16:03:42 <MeusH> peter1138, that's the only place where it should be edited, I think 16:04:03 <peter1138> MeusH: well, what i mean is, that you *have* to edit it at all 16:04:05 *** maddy [~maddy@88-136-249-118.adslgp.cegetel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:19 <peter1138> i assumed just having the Foo: thing in the name would make it do the right thing o_O 16:04:32 <MeusH> you mean no nice user interface, right? 16:04:34 <MeusH> aha 16:07:09 *** lolman_ [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:07:13 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:07:14 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387DB21.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:20 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH|afk 16:13:55 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 16:14:53 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 16:17:02 <Belugas> oups... lunch time started without me :S 16:18:56 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80D33.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19:30 <Thomas[NL]> what is this Peter1138/Towngrowth Challenge, will it be some game-mode? 16:21:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B834A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:21:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:23:59 <peter1138> possibly 16:24:18 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24:20 <peter1138> based on korenn's old OCS version 16:24:22 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:50 <Ailure> ah 16:24:59 <Ailure> I thought it was another name for offspin challange 16:25:14 <Ailure> (to be honest I forgot the name of the author of offspin challange :P and I never tried the 'OCS') 16:27:03 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:12 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:16 <peter1138> openttd challenge spinoff 16:28:17 <peter1138> or 16:28:23 <peter1138> openttd spinoff challenge 16:28:24 <peter1138> or something 16:28:49 <peter1138> but basically, with newgrf cargos, industries, houses, etc, a lot of the changes can be done with a grf file 16:29:10 <Ailure> yeah 16:29:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host231-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:29:41 <Wolf01> hello 16:29:55 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:13 <Ailure> I seen the progress with newCargos 16:30:18 <Ailure> and the bugs coming with them :p 16:30:32 <Ailure> such as a temperate sawmill acting like the tropical one 16:30:45 <Ailure> eh that probably wasn't related to newcargos 16:30:48 <Ailure> but still ;) 16:31:10 <Ailure> A friend of mine thought it was a new feature 16:31:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:31:55 <Thomas[NL]> yea it happened to me :), suddenly there was a big square grassland in the forest :P 16:32:24 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:32:44 <Ailure> haha yeah 16:32:50 <Ailure> it probably would been intresting near endgame 16:32:59 <Ailure> considering how endgame in TTD 16:33:04 <Ailure> is with forests being everywhere 16:33:06 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:25 <Ailure> there would be holes of trees all over the map 16:33:30 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 16:34:27 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54a3f9c0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:35:25 <peter1138> yeah, nothing to do with newcargos that :p 16:35:26 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489d2b9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:36:59 <Wolf01> i thought it was fixed by Belugas 16:37:02 <Ailure> although I think the temperate forests feels kinda stupid 16:37:26 <Wolf01> yeah, they are always the same... boring 16:37:39 <Ailure> It feels like a unatural 'squarish' forest 16:37:41 <Ailure> too 16:37:55 <Belugas> i fixed it 16:37:55 <Wolf01> what about industries on slopes? 16:37:57 <Belugas> i think 16:38:17 <Ailure> industries on slopes looks nice :) 16:38:20 <Wolf01> ttdpatch has them for a long time 16:38:29 <Ailure> but I wonder if they could have problems with the terragenesis generator 16:38:30 <Ailure> yeah I saw them 16:38:36 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3D9AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:23 <Wolf01> why? they are always the same, only they can be built on slopes and the graphics will change to look better 16:39:51 <Ailure> I mean 16:39:52 <Ailure> heh 16:39:54 <Ailure> http://www.pikkarail.com/ttdp/ukrs/industries.htm 16:40:05 <Ailure> look at the end of that page with the industry going up three tiles of slope 16:40:15 <Ailure> a smooth terragenesis map might not have many of thoose slopes 16:40:19 <Ailure> if any at all 16:40:48 <Wolf01> you can always terraform a slope when placing the industry 16:41:01 <Ailure> hmm 16:41:04 <Ailure> rough have a few of them though 16:41:08 <Ailure> and very roguh should have a few 16:41:10 <Ailure> and true 16:41:17 <Ailure> but I was mainly concerned with randomly placed ones 16:41:37 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-213-249-184-253.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:41:47 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-213-249-184-253.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 16:41:48 <Wolf01> now if the terragenesis want to place a forest in a rough area it terraform it, i've seen it with my eyes 16:42:20 <Ailure> hmm 16:42:28 <Ailure> I seen some automatic terraforming with industry placement 16:42:50 <Ailure> sometimes bit unecessary as I seen it when I place industry and it flattens a area that the industry dosen't even build on 16:43:00 <Wolf01> i saw also the castle for tourist cargo, i like the idea to place things on particular terrain configurations 16:43:36 <Ailure> Kinda funny how it's a industry too :p 16:43:43 <Ailure> Sure, there's a such thing as tourist industry 16:43:46 <Ailure> but still 16:47:05 <Wolf01> what about the ship improvement we talked about yesterday? 16:50:36 *** sai [~chatzilla@hyundai.csn.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #openttd 16:52:03 <sai> hello guys, I just try to make a friend like openttd, but he can't start it, because of the error "too many sprites". I read something about "onloading the grf-stuff", but how to do that? environment is windows... any help? 16:54:25 <Wolf01> which triassic version is he using? 16:55:19 <sai> what is triassic? 16:55:37 <sai> it is probably the recent open ttd rc-3 16:55:41 <Belugas> synonim for dinosaur-age version :) 16:55:49 <Wolf01> when dinosaurs ruled the world :P 16:55:58 <glx> he probably tries to load unneeded grfs 16:56:26 <sai> so is it enough to just delete some from the folder where he put some grf-files? 16:56:34 <glx> I mean grfs that do not work in 0.5.x 16:56:48 <sai> so he should delete all grf-files? 16:56:59 <Wolf01> not all 16:57:01 <Belugas> sai, maybe he cold try the nightlies 16:57:04 <glx> what grfs does he use now? 16:57:08 <sai> 1sec 16:57:17 *** MeusH_ [~MeusH@host-ip195-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 16:57:18 <Ailure> I wouldn't recomend too many GRF's for newbies anyway :p 16:57:31 *** MeusH|afk [~MeusH@host-ip195-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:36 <sai> he put these files in his folder: sample.cat 16:57:38 <sai> TRG1.GRF 16:57:40 <sai> TRGC.GRF 16:57:41 <sai> TRGH.GRF 16:57:43 <sai> TRGI.GRF 16:57:44 <sai> TRGT.GRF 16:57:59 <glx> needed ttd files so it's ok 16:58:04 *** Kittysune [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 16:58:05 <Kittysune> I seen people hauling coal with... that railcar in the UKRS set. 16:58:07 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 16:58:07 <Kittysune> !logs 16:58:25 <Kittysune> [18:56] <Ailure> I wouldn't recomend too many GRF's for newbies anyway :p 16:58:25 <Kittysune> [18:56] <Ailure> some trainsets are like, much more advanced than the orginal trains 16:58:25 <Kittysune> [18:56] <Ailure> not that I mind, but it can be little confusing for some. 16:58:35 <sai> so what is the problem then? 16:58:36 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Kittysune))] 16:58:47 *** Kittysune is now known as Ailure 16:58:51 <sai> he did nothing else than to install the game and to cpoy these files... 16:58:59 <Ailure> really? Hmm.. 16:59:53 <glx> sai: using default openttd.cfg? 17:00:24 <sai> well , I have never heard of an openttd-cfg, and he didnt play or had this game before, so I guess it will be the default. 17:05:02 <Thomas[NL]> can't Invisible Trees (with transparent buildings) be removed out of the Patches in the nightlies now we have Transparency options? 17:06:04 <Wolf01> i might put them in the gui 17:07:03 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:45 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:29 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:18:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> how would you make a 3-way-switch-button (full/transparen/invisible) in the GUI? 17:19:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> +t 17:19:19 <Wolf01> should be cool 17:24:00 <Thomas[NL]> what TerraGenesis settings are you using most of the time? 17:24:01 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:10 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:30:18 <Maedhros> heh, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31560 17:30:30 <Maedhros> i wonder why it's always the people who write perfect english that apologise 17:30:46 <Maedhros> and it's usually the english people who write incomprehensible stuff 17:35:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> Wolf01: what about this: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/ships.txt 17:36:03 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:36:16 *** Daimos [~Daimos@p57b2b05d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:27 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 17:37:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> Maedhros: because those native english speakers never experienced how hard it is to talk in a foreign language 17:39:27 <Maedhros> probably, yeah 17:41:21 <Belugas> soooooo true 17:43:40 <peter1138> helloa 17:44:30 <Thomas[NL]> Eddi|zuHause2, I like the shipping routes idea 17:44:33 * peter1138 returns from 'watering' the weeds 17:46:04 <peter1138> evilly supplying them with roundup 17:46:28 <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause2, nice, but i can't understand how a route couldn't have more than one corner, if there is a b^b where ^ is a peninsulae and b the buoy, you have to put a buoy in the bit of the peninsulae? 17:46:45 <Wolf01> (tell me if you can't undertand me :D) 17:47:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> Wolf01: the more corners you allow, the more difficult the in-between pathfinding and the route-creating will be 17:47:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you have a peninsula, just build more buoys 17:47:22 <Thomas[NL]> what is a peninsulae??.... 17:47:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> a semi-island 17:48:14 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:48:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> a land edge that sticks into the water... 17:48:46 <Thomas[NL]> ah ok :) 17:49:35 <Belugas> peter1138, the gardener :) 17:49:43 <peter1138> yup 17:49:50 <peter1138> the bindweed is coming back 17:49:58 * Belugas imagines a hat, with flowers, gardening gloves and all... 17:50:00 <peter1138> so getting it while it's young... 17:50:48 <Belugas> last time i checked, no need for water. just some snow shoveling :) 17:51:56 * Maedhros doesn't have a garden, although our tenancy agreement says we have to tend it ;) 17:52:12 <peter1138> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/253/452833136_d8b502c8b8_o.jpg 17:52:17 <valhallasw> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/sandbox_new/banner/ 17:52:19 <peter1138> not flower 17:52:19 <valhallasw> er 17:52:20 <peter1138> s 17:52:23 <peter1138> growing veg :D 17:52:27 <peter1138> although... blurry photo 17:52:34 <valhallasw> wrong button >_> 17:53:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> a propos weeds... i should go watch it... 17:54:23 <Belugas> good growth so far :) green thumb sir 17:54:47 <peter1138> well, no 17:54:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9677 /trunk/src/main_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Make the 'transparent buildings' menu item toggle all transparency, to keep its old behaviour. 17:54:58 <peter1138> the holy and the shrub were there already 17:55:05 <peter1138> they are starting to show up now though 17:55:20 *** maad [~emade@82.160.115.202] has joined #openttd 17:55:27 <peter1138> that lot was planted a week and a half ago 17:55:31 <hylje> bring me a shrubbery 17:55:56 <glx> ni 17:57:03 <peter1138> for belugas... http://farm1.static.flickr.com/157/384440055_8231ceb5ae_o.jpg 17:57:13 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:58:01 <Belugas> hehe :) 17:58:14 <Belugas> that was how it looked in here about a week ago 17:58:27 <Thomas[NL]> peter1138, transparent buildings just toggles transparency of buildables here 17:58:56 <peter1138> hmm? 17:59:48 <Thomas[NL]> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9677 /trunk/src/main_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Make the 'transparent buildings' menu item toggle all transparency, to keep its old behaviour., using it now toggles the transparency of "buildables" like stations, depots etc here 18:00:01 <peter1138> well 18:00:08 <peter1138> it remembers what you had selected as transparent 18:00:19 <peter1138> same as pressing X 18:00:55 <peter1138> the text is wrong 18:01:01 <Wolf01> why are you keeping that option? 18:01:02 <peter1138> but it matches what it used to do 18:01:22 <peter1138> because i like it :p 18:01:53 <Thomas[NL]> oops, In was still using r9676 18:02:09 <peter1138> heh 18:02:27 <Wolf01> if you want i have a patch to toggle the "remember the selected transparent options" with a nice gui button 18:02:47 <peter1138> yeah, i might add that 18:03:21 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/patches/transparency_options_gui_9621_transparency_memorization_widget.diff here is it 18:04:25 <Maedhros> wouldn't it be better to save the setting so you don't have to change it every time you start the game? 18:04:50 <Thomas[NL]> imho, the gui & patches need a little clean up, there are a couple of buttons and options that are not needed any more 18:05:08 <Belugas> ha.. we have a volunteer for the cleanup! 18:05:16 <peter1138> Maedhros: yeah, will at some point 18:05:25 <Maedhros> cool and groovy 18:06:54 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:49 <Thomas[NL]> I, can make of list of proposed changes but I don't think I'll be able to code any of it 18:10:47 <Belugas> can start by a list... 18:11:31 <peter1138> Thomas[NL]: there is more to helping a project than coding :) 18:11:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> the most important imho is to clean up or split the vehicles patch page 18:11:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is way too crowded 18:11:54 <peter1138> the multiple pathfinder selections! 18:12:01 <peter1138> are we ready to ditch npf yet? 18:12:29 <Thomas[NL]> and npt? 18:14:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> and in the long term, make some patch settings into difficulty settings, the rest into game options 18:23:51 <Thomas[NL]> what is currently considered to be the "stable" pathfinder? 18:24:09 <peter1138> yapf 18:25:25 <Thomas[NL]> ok 18:29:05 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57a0fd35.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:23 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0FD35.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:19 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:43:54 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-166-154.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:44:19 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-166-154.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 18:49:26 *** MeusH_ is now known as MeusH 18:49:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9678 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Support changing of aircraft running cost via callback 36. 18:50:01 <peter1138> (probably :p) 18:51:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9679 /trunk/src/transparency_gui.cpp: -Codechange: use enums to identify transparency widgets and add a bit of documentation (patch by Wolf01) 18:53:21 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 18:59:09 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 19:09:54 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:11:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: miham * r9680 /trunk/src/lang/ (17 files): (log message trimmed) 19:11:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-04-19 21:10:21 19:11:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 2 fixed by thetitan (1), kokobongo (1) 19:11:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: czech - 2 fixed by joeprusa (2) 19:11:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 2 fixed by ThomasA (2) 19:11:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 fixed, 1 changed by habell (3) 19:11:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: esperanto - 2 fixed by LaPingvino (2) 19:12:02 <Belugas> whooo... a franzy 19:12:02 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: here 19:12:13 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: for 5 minutes, since I'm damn tired 19:13:05 <ln-> MiHaMiX: there are extra ':' characters in finnish.txt at STR_INDUSTRY_PROD_GOUP and _GODOWN 19:14:08 <MiHaMiX> ln-: i'll check it soon 19:14:13 <peter1138> and in turkish 19:14:19 <peter1138> STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_SERVINT_ROADVEH :{LTBLUE}Arabalar için varsay?lan servis gecikmesi:: {ORANGE}{STRING} gün/% 19:15:50 <Maedhros> hmm, that's done weird things to irssi 19:16:07 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: i can't check every single translation made by the translators 19:16:13 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-102-120.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:16:22 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: if a translation syntactically correct, WT2 accepts that 19:18:23 <peter1138> no 19:18:26 <peter1138> i just pointed it out 19:19:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: miham * r9681 /trunk/src/lang/finnish.txt: [Translations] -Fix: removed two unnecessary colons from the finnish translations (spotted by ln-) 19:20:03 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: ok then :) 19:20:19 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: shall I remove those, too? 19:20:51 <Belugas> Smoky555, are you around? 19:20:57 <Belugas> or in other words : 19:21:01 <Belugas> Smoky555 : ping 19:22:47 <MiHaMiX> ok, let's go to sleep, i'm pretty damn tired :-( 19:22:50 <MiHaMiX> bye :) 19:33:03 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has left #openttd [Your eyes grow heavy.. you grow very sleepy..... zzzz...] 19:50:10 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 19:57:49 <Belugas> 'evening Tron 19:58:21 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:59:49 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:16:08 <Thomas[NL]> what was that site where you can upload text or code? 20:16:35 <peter1138> paste.openttd.org? 20:16:57 <Thomas[NL]> lol ok ty :) 20:17:24 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl7-182-80.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 20:18:40 <Thomas[NL]> http://paste.openttd.org/46 my suggestions for some gui text 20:19:14 <Wolf01> good :D 20:22:49 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:27:52 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-147-139.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 20:29:39 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-147-139.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:42 *** antichaos [~IceChat7@host86-137-191-238.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:37:24 <Belugas> bye guys 20:38:24 <Thomas[NL]> bye 20:39:15 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:46:09 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:46:30 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-208-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:46:57 <dihedral> hello 20:47:06 <lolman> dihedral: ello 20:47:35 <dihedral> anybody here know something about the status of the loading stuff 20:47:43 <dihedral> i.e. trains at stations 20:48:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> can you be any less specific? 20:48:22 <dihedral> sure - anybody here know something 20:48:25 <dihedral> :-P 20:48:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> then no :p 20:48:34 <dihedral> well - 2 trains at one station... 20:48:50 <dihedral> you dont know anything Eddi|zuHause2 ? 20:48:53 <dihedral> that is sad :-P 20:49:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> "improved loading" does not do well with "gradual loading" 20:49:03 <dihedral> only one train at a time can load 20:49:19 <lolman> dihedral: what Eddi said :P 20:49:22 <dihedral> so - which one would you advise me to turn off 20:49:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> depends, gradual loading is more realistic, also it reduces loading times for long trains 20:50:17 <dihedral> i found nothing on improved loading on the openttd.cfg wiki page 20:50:23 * lolman reminds self to install OTTD again when he hits a GUI 20:50:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> improved loading can help you when you have not-so-busy stations, where max. 2 trains arrive simultaneously 20:50:59 <dihedral> what is it's behaviour over normal loading 20:51:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> normal loading = all trains get the same amount of cargo 20:51:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> so you might end up with two half-full trains 20:52:26 <dihedral> and improved only loads one train at a time? 20:52:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> improved loading = only one train gets cargo, until it is full 20:52:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> which was fine, as long as cargo was loaded instantly 20:52:56 <MeusH> goodbye 20:52:59 <dihedral> to avoid 3 semi full trains at one station waiting for more 20:53:10 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip195-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 20:53:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> because then the remaining cargo could be distributed among the other trains 20:53:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> but with gradual loading, you cannot easily decide, how much cargo is "remaining" 20:53:59 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.0.5] 20:54:06 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 20:54:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> or rather, that check was never implemented 20:54:20 <dihedral> so an "either or" is what i am looking for, right? 20:54:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 20:55:10 <Rubidium> huh? what are you talking about? 20:55:11 <dihedral> i heard a rumor of the entire loading algorithm needing to be redone... 20:55:32 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-134-164.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 20:55:38 <dihedral> is that being done or is that just an uninteresting rumor 20:55:47 <Rubidium> well, the loading algorithms are ok; only some of the lookup related parts aren't 20:56:47 <Rubidium> like for improved loading it iterates over all vehicles to check whether the 'current' train is the 'first' train in the station 20:57:46 <Rubidium> so the loading algorithms are basically O(n^2), where n is the number of vehicles in the game (including shadows, rotors and wagons) 20:58:34 <Rubidium> it would be much better when the algorithms become O(m), where m is the number of trains (front engines at the 'current' station) 20:58:36 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-11-211.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:58:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Rubidium> huh? what are you talking about? <- if there are 200 goods at a station, and two trains with capacity of 100 arrive, improved loading will prevent the second train from loading, even though the cargo suffices to fill the first train (but it takes a while with gradual loading) 20:59:50 <Rubidium> I thought that was already implemented 20:59:55 *** KUDr_ is now known as KUDr 21:00:12 <Maedhros> nope 21:00:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> not to my knowlege... but i did not really test 21:00:18 <Rubidium> too bad :( 21:00:43 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 21:00:47 <Maedhros> and trying to add it to the current improved loading would probably cause it to explode 21:01:22 <Rubidium> anyway, the major problem of improved loading and gradual loadin together is their time complexity, which is fairly easy to fix in-game, but the saveload code for that is quite ugly 21:01:52 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:02:24 <peter1138> what needs doing? 21:03:34 <Rubidium> http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/it_aint_nice_it_aint_pretty_fs423.diff <- that's how you make it O(m) instead of O(n^2) 21:04:09 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:13 <Rubidium> it also makes loading FIFO 21:05:56 <peter1138> why does it need saving? 21:06:01 <peter1138> hmm 21:06:04 <peter1138> order 21:06:06 <peter1138> of course 21:06:30 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@vol21-2-82-226-46-162.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:06:39 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@vol21-2-82-226-46-162.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 21:06:39 <Rubidium> exactly 21:07:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:45 <dihedral> if that is what needs doing, will it be included some time soon(ish) 21:09:06 <dihedral> there is supposed to be a questionmark at the end of that last sentance :-) 21:10:05 <Rubidium> well, if somebody comes up with a way to the current savegame hack 21:10:17 <Rubidium> *way to solve 21:12:25 <peter1138> generic SLE_ thing 21:12:46 <peter1138> or maybe not generic :/ 21:12:49 <peter1138> SLE_VEHICLELIST? 21:14:10 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:16:50 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> shouldn't that stuff be saved with the station data? 21:17:44 <peter1138> it is 21:18:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> ah, so you mean a vehicle list in the station stuff 21:18:47 <Rubidium> not-generic would be easiest I guess 21:18:53 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:19:42 <dihedral> in openttd.cfg, what is 'selectgoods' ? 21:19:49 <peter1138> well, can we we runtime determine the type? 21:20:07 <dihedral> not specified on the wiki under openttd.cfg 21:20:23 <peter1138> src/variables.h: bool selectgoods; // only send the goods to station if a train has been there 21:20:34 <Rubidium> peter1138: not really 21:20:34 <dihedral> ah 21:20:41 <dihedral> thanks peter1138 21:20:53 <Rubidium> because we need to pass std::list<Vehicle*> and such 21:20:57 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:22:23 * peter1138 ponders 21:27:48 <Rubidium> the major problem is that the saveload code assumes constant sized SaveLoad's, i.e. a variably sized list cannot be in a SaveLoad. 21:27:49 * Sacro|Laptop moves all flammable objects away from peter1138 21:31:35 *** Dephenom [~paul@81-178-15-211.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [] 21:33:19 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:33:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host231-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:38:51 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387DB21.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:48:02 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48:22 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:53:00 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:32 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:53 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:58:33 <ln-> what useful could one do with two identical Celeron 2.13GHz machines? (besides running distcc) 21:59:11 <peter1138> give to me 21:59:13 <Rubidium> starting a beowulf cluster 21:59:41 <ln-> peter1138: i don't own them yet, so not possible 22:00:46 <ln-> what can one do with a beowulf cluster, and is two machines enough for something sensible? 22:01:31 <lolman> ln-, you could use folding@home :P 22:05:08 <Sacro|Laptop> oh noes, its him 22:05:19 <lolman> It is indeed 22:05:29 <lolman> I installed Arch again :) 22:06:08 <Sacro|Laptop> yay 22:06:12 <Sacro|Laptop> Arch is amazing 22:06:30 <lolman> Wireless took some prodding to get going but it works :) 22:07:03 <lolman> A testement to ndiswrapper's progress I think 22:09:04 <Sacro|Laptop> yeah, my desktop is using ndiswrapper 22:10:04 <lolman> Now I just need to find a good emerald theme and I'm set :D 22:11:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1d0fd.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:05 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-208-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 22:15:07 <Maedhros> night everyone 22:16:03 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-233-235.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:27:40 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:49 *** Franchie [~francois@user-85-201-3-193.tvcablenet.be] has joined #openttd 22:29:17 <peter1138> hmm, compiled, no warnings... 22:29:49 <peter1138> yay, segfault :p 22:30:06 <Sacro|Laptop> hehe 22:30:57 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 22:31:27 *** Ammller is now known as Ammler 22:31:29 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:32:33 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 22:32:53 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.111] has joined #openttd 22:33:17 <UndernotBuilder> I wish.. that openttd 1.0 is out now :P 22:34:09 <mikk36[EST]> u wish.... to much 22:34:23 <mikk36[EST]> too* 22:34:27 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 22:34:41 <UndernotBuilder> I make reference to the "shoot a openttd wish" topic or whatever else 22:36:32 *** Franchie [~francois@user-85-201-3-193.tvcablenet.be] has left #openttd [] 22:36:55 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:39:41 <peter1138> Rubidium: "appears" to work 22:39:48 <peter1138> Rubidium: in that it doesn't crash, and save/loads games... 22:40:12 <peter1138> it's a SL_LST type that will save/load any existing REF_ type 22:40:33 <peter1138> and it's horrible, but at least it's more generic ;) 22:40:59 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/sllst.diff 22:41:02 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/sllst-aint.diff 22:41:06 <peter1138> first is just saveload 22:41:13 <peter1138> second is the saveload & the station changes 22:42:19 <peter1138> mind you 22:42:19 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:26 <peter1138> it's probably invalid and just works by fluke... 22:45:01 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0FD35.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:09 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB7BF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:00:22 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 23:01:43 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:16 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:03:23 <peter1138> quick test reveals correct save/load 23:06:03 <peter1138> nini 23:10:13 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:20:51 *** antichaos [~IceChat7@host86-137-191-238.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: IceChat - Chillin with the Best of em] 23:41:11 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:21 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:46:47 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-147-139.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 23:48:44 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-147-139.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]