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07:29:13 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 07:29:57 *** bencvt [~bencvt@va-71-53-204-176.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has left #openttd [] 07:33:28 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:36:03 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb63c9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:42:40 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 07:44:39 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 07:46:29 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:56:24 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:04:02 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:04:13 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 08:17:41 *** Lie| [ick@c-212-031-191-083.cust.broadway.se] has joined #openttd 08:23:21 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83266.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:25:05 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:26:22 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 08:27:12 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489EDE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:33:23 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-234-153.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 08:34:14 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489D2B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:14 *** maddy [~maddy@88-136-70-61.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #openttd 08:46:27 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:51:31 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 08:52:17 *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel 09:02:48 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54a3e504.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:08:26 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:08:27 *** Tron [~tron@p54a3df8e.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:43 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-112-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 09:15:31 *** Mucht_ is now known as Mucht 09:21:20 *** EdwardTLS [~edward@daemon.ebuddy.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 09:25:14 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 09:28:05 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-112-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:29:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EF89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:29:39 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 09:31:30 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:48:43 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:40:20 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387E09A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:40:45 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/blog/?p=9 <- for who ever is interested in 32bpp and it's current status (it is more ment for the developers) 10:46:49 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DFCA.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:51:54 <Thomas[NL]> interesting read 10:53:22 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/coopetition/head-to-head-4.png <- I still love my head-to-head idea :) 10:54:24 <TrueBrain> (2 identical lands, 2 players, and they can only build on their piece of land; show who is best :)) 10:54:29 <peter1138> heh, cool 10:54:37 <peter1138> is that possible? :p 10:54:43 <peter1138> i think it is... 10:54:48 <TrueBrain> peter1138: this is a played game 10:54:50 <TrueBrain> by 2 humans 10:54:52 <Thomas[NL]> does not look like a mockup :/ 10:54:55 <TrueBrain> so yes, it is possible 10:55:06 <peter1138> what about the black line? ;p 10:55:08 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/patches/head_to_head.2.patch 10:55:14 <TrueBrain> seperation between the two lands 10:55:22 <TrueBrain> revision 6176 :p 10:55:23 <TrueBrain> haha 10:55:28 <peter1138> that is seriously cool 10:55:53 <TrueBrain> I once made it as proof-of-concept that OpenTTD could contain coopetition games 10:56:28 <TrueBrain> if you don't do anything, towns and industry do exactly the same 10:57:41 <TrueBrain> patch is pretty clean and small 10:57:55 <TrueBrain> it just misses to switch between head-to-head and normal game :) 10:58:47 <TrueBrain> 27 Aug 2006 10:58:47 <TrueBrain> lol 10:58:55 <Thomas[NL]> a Demo Recording patch :o 10:59:22 <TrueBrain> yeah, work of several years by now, by either me or Darkvater (it went from me to him back to me) 10:59:25 <TrueBrain> works pretty well 11:00:22 <TrueBrain> I love archives :) 11:01:07 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/NL_test_not_for_public_usage.png <- so pretty, oh so pretty!! :) 11:02:18 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb63c9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 11:06:44 <Thomas[NL]> :) 11:09:38 <TrueBrain> (load it in OpenTTD, you will like it :)) 11:10:06 <boekabart> so it IS for public usage? :) 11:10:13 <TrueBrain> no, it is a test map 11:10:17 <TrueBrain> but even test maps you can test 11:10:22 <TrueBrain> as that is what the name suggest: a test :p 11:14:49 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 11:25:24 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:26:34 <peter1138> ahh, the well known sea locked netherlands 11:26:42 <TrueBrain> :) 11:27:06 <TrueBrain> grrr, stupid xbox... it demands WMP11 in order to stream videos.. the linux alternatives all fail 11:27:34 <TrueBrain> and WMP11 you can't run in wine, as it wants to do validation of your windows install 11:27:36 <TrueBrain> fuck windows 11:29:09 <boekabart> or, encode H.246 11:29:24 <TrueBrain> and how would that help? 11:29:24 <boekabart> or H.264, those codes are easier to find :) 11:29:33 <boekabart> it plays those too, right? 11:29:41 <TrueBrain> to play something, you need to get the file there 11:29:51 <TrueBrain> to get a file there, you need to use 'Windows Media Connect' compatible device 11:29:54 <TrueBrain> which is WMP11 11:29:58 <TrueBrain> which only works on Windows 11:30:04 <TrueBrain> and the alternatives for linux so far, fail 11:30:09 <boekabart> or usb mass storage ;| 11:30:20 <TrueBrain> Yeah, okay, point for you, but that sucks even more 11:30:26 <TrueBrain> the encoding really isn't any problem 11:30:29 <TrueBrain> getting the file there is 11:30:49 <boekabart> that 'alternative to MCE' whats it called, it doesn't exist for nix? 11:31:19 <TrueBrain> Windows Media Connect, which you need, uses upnp 11:31:24 <TrueBrain> which is available for linux of course 11:31:32 <TrueBrain> but WMC needs very specific folders and containers 11:31:38 <TrueBrain> which they seem to change at random over time... 11:35:06 <boekabart> I meant TVersity Media Server 11:35:13 <boekabart> isn't that opensource somehow 11:35:52 <boekabart> neh, isn't 11:36:45 <boekabart> how closed is WMC... that no-one has been able to figure it out for a year and a half now 11:36:51 <boekabart> in the nix comm. 11:39:00 <TrueBrain> even Twonky Media blabla seems to fail to give movies.... 11:39:02 <TrueBrain> music does work 11:39:06 <TrueBrain> movies are only not detected 11:39:08 <TrueBrain> (even not wmvs) 11:39:09 <TrueBrain> grr 11:39:13 * TrueBrain slaps Microsoft 11:39:23 <TrueBrain> anyway, OpenTTD.... :) 11:40:04 <boekabart> anyway, 32bpp 11:40:25 <boekabart> is there somehow a 'log' of the discussion you mentioned? 11:41:24 <TrueBrain> the summarize is very accurate 11:42:24 <peter1138> yeah, that blog post ;) 11:42:43 <boekabart> well i'm interested in the parts you (who?) did and did not like, actually 11:42:52 <TrueBrain> the blog post tells you :) 11:42:56 <TrueBrain> really, there is nothing more 11:43:32 <boekabart> "First of all, code-wise it uses quick-and-dirty things from time to time, which need to be replaces with more clean code. Also you see a lot of test-alike code, and the replacement of one static-system with an other (zoom-levels for example). On the other hand it has many many things that are very good and should go into trunk anyway." 11:43:42 <boekabart> and the comes 'second' 11:44:25 <boekabart> I agree that the blog post is a good summary... but those details are (though irrelevant to most) relevant to me 11:44:28 <TrueBrain> you mean code-wise? If you read the diff, you will understand :) 11:45:00 <TrueBrain> really, boekabart, you can't get more detail then the blog. There is nothing more. 11:45:03 <boekabart> i know the diff pretty well; I've ported my oooold 32bpp functions (gradient, bitmap overlay) to it 11:45:19 <TrueBrain> then you also know that code-wise it is a bit off from time to time 11:45:31 <TrueBrain> things like: this should really be removed 11:45:36 <boekabart> :D 11:45:44 <TrueBrain> what more is there to say 11:47:49 <boekabart> ok maybe i'm more interested in which 'approaches' you find OK 11:48:08 <Thomas[NL]> what developers also have a blog? 11:48:37 <TrueBrain> Thomas[NL]: I believe I am the only one currently trying to set one up 11:48:45 <TrueBrain> to centralize things a bit more 11:48:56 <TrueBrain> my hope is other developers start posting in that blog too ;) 11:49:51 <TrueBrain> boekabart: as said: the way of tar handling needs some kind of index-system, zooming in should not go that far, and the rest is pretty much okay I believe. Oh, color remap isn't. 11:50:38 <boekabart> that was the info I was looking for! thanks. 11:50:48 <TrueBrain> That very much is in the blog... 11:52:10 <Thomas[NL]> where did you find those Japanese images? 11:52:21 <TrueBrain> peter1138 had them 11:52:47 <Thomas[NL]> Is it ttd? 11:52:57 <TrueBrain> ask peter1138 :) 11:53:09 <peter1138> it's freetrain 11:53:18 <peter1138> han gon 11:53:42 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=583165#583165 11:54:04 <peter1138> (and there is athanasios complaining the graphics look shit and are too small, lol) 11:55:17 <Thomas[NL]> http://homepage1.nifty.com/Ferrari/map/newpage1.htm 11:55:30 <peter1138> yup 11:55:52 <Thomas[NL]> looks more like pixelart not a game 11:56:24 <peter1138> basically the argument we've got is not whether these are better or worse, just that you don't need very very large tile sizes to have lots of detail 11:56:28 <boekabart> i like those ground tiles :) 11:57:01 <peter1138> i love the airport on that page :) 11:57:24 <Thomas[NL]> the graphs are way to clean 11:57:32 <peter1138> it's just a different style 11:57:39 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB63C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:58:21 <boekabart> ok that is one freakislhy big image 11:58:33 <boekabart> they should use google maps for it :) 11:58:38 <peter1138> hehe 11:59:31 <boekabart> i love the idea of 45 degrees roads, how come no-one ever thought of that for openttd ... :S 12:00:54 <boekabart> found the airport. bottom left 12:01:14 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 12:01:33 <boekabart> well that game (or mockup) has more realistic scaling it seems 12:02:48 <Thomas[NL]> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=583663#583663 12:03:04 <boekabart> TrueBrain: the color remap was actually the thing I wondered the most about 12:03:08 <Thomas[NL]> Freetrain looks better 12:04:00 <TrueBrain> now it is time to play C&C3 on my xbox :) 12:11:57 <waxman> truebrain, c&c3 on xbox.. i would miss my mouse and keyboard... 12:12:19 <boekabart> and pc :) 12:28:33 <TrueBrain> you do indeed miss that, but they did a nice job 12:28:46 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-104-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:35:13 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-112-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:35:26 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-135-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:36:07 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:37:54 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:41:38 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:51 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-104-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:42:09 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-135-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 12:54:43 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:58 <peter1138> boekabart: loads of people thought of 45' roads, that's not the same as implementing ;) 12:57:00 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-180-100.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:57:26 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn116-117.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:59:25 <boekabart> peter1138: you missed the irony... ;) 13:02:14 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:08:15 <peter1138> yup 13:09:37 <Brianetta> davis paged me on my server wthout any explanation 13:18:38 <boekabart> heh: http://www.i-nano.nl/football.wmv 13:31:56 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-177-198.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 13:36:42 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 13:58:56 <TrueBrain> @op 13:58:56 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: I need to be opped to op someone. 13:59:01 <TrueBrain> :( 13:59:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by Belugas 13:59:49 <TrueBrain> @op 13:59:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 14:00:10 *** TrueBrain changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices 14:00:27 <TrueBrain> @deop 14:00:29 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 14:00:34 * TrueBrain pets DorpsGek 14:00:39 <DorpsGek> prrrtttt 14:03:48 <boekabart> TrueBrain: Maybe you could teach DorpsGek to set the topic 14:04:01 <TrueBrain> boekabart: why? 14:04:08 <TrueBrain> not like it is changing often or anything 14:04:13 <boekabart> so you can tell him to @topic 14:04:20 <TrueBrain> and what should it do then? 14:04:22 <boekabart> instead of asking him to op you 14:04:27 <TrueBrain> oh, that 14:04:29 <boekabart> the pre-set topic you tteach him :) 14:04:37 <TrueBrain> #openttd topics aren't pre-set 14:04:40 <TrueBrain> in this case I needed to add a subdomain 14:04:41 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-1611.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 14:04:42 <TrueBrain> nah 14:04:45 <TrueBrain> welcome Rexxars 14:04:55 <Rexxars> many thanks! 14:05:06 <Rexxars> first time I've been welcomed 14:05:13 <TrueBrain> And, do you like it? 14:05:23 <Rexxars> I must say, I do. 14:05:24 <Belugas> Ok.. WELCOME Rexxars!! 14:05:28 <Belugas> second time 14:05:33 <boekabart> TrueBrain is in a very good mood because he just got to pet his bot. 14:05:33 <TrueBrain> too late 14:05:34 <TrueBrain> too little 14:05:35 <TrueBrain> :p 14:05:35 <Rexxars> I feel so.. loved! :D 14:05:49 <Rexxars> how do you pet a bot? 14:05:57 <boekabart> show him! 14:05:57 * TrueBrain pets DorpsGek 14:05:59 <DorpsGek> prrrtttt 14:06:08 <Rexxars> oh god.. a virtual petting! 14:06:23 <boekabart> now let's try this 14:06:24 * boekabart pets TrueBrain 14:06:25 <Rexxars> /o\ 14:06:31 <TrueBrain> @kick boekabart 14:06:32 *** boekabart was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [TrueBrain] 14:06:34 <TrueBrain> he had thatone coming :) 14:06:49 *** boekabart [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has joined #openttd 14:06:56 * TrueBrain hugs boekabart 14:07:03 <boekabart> oh come on, we were just having some "it's weekend" fun! 14:07:10 * boekabart rubs his ass.. 14:07:13 <TrueBrain> :) 14:07:17 <boekabart> (not TrueBrains ass!!) 14:07:57 <boekabart> (before i get kicked again) 14:08:33 <Rexxars> how is SVN compared to 0.5.1? many new features? 14:08:42 <TrueBrain> Rexxars: euh, yes :p 14:08:52 <Rexxars> been like two months since I played OTTD :/ 14:08:54 <TrueBrain> Rexxars: check roadmap of 0.6 on wiki, shows most of the big new things 14:09:39 <Rexxars> oh its nearly all done, that's impressive 14:09:52 <TrueBrain> doesn't mean a lot 14:09:53 <TrueBrain> but okay 14:11:15 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:11:47 * boekabart hugs Purno welcome 14:11:59 <Purno> eh... well... ehm... 14:12:02 <Purno> thanks I guess 14:12:05 <TrueBrain> we do not hug dutch people boekabart 14:12:06 <TrueBrain> a general rule 14:12:12 <Purno> I do 14:12:16 <Purno> I do hug dutch people 14:12:19 <Purno> females, mainly 14:12:29 <TrueBrain> But we are all not really female 14:12:29 <TrueBrain> so... 14:12:46 <Purno> not really? 14:12:54 <TrueBrain> some claim to be 14:12:58 <TrueBrain> but I have my doubts :p 14:12:59 * boekabart IS dutch... 14:13:06 <TrueBrain> boekabart: my point exactly! 14:13:29 <boekabart> aren't you too? 14:13:36 <TrueBrain> dunno 14:13:52 <TrueBrain> I know a few words: sletje 14:14:27 <Purno> :o 14:14:36 <TrueBrain> haha :) Okay, let's get back ontopic... 14:15:30 <boekabart> so, you want to talk about 0.5.1!? 14:16:12 <peter1138> no 14:16:16 <TrueBrain> nah, that is in the past 14:16:21 <TrueBrain> more about blog.openttd.org :p 14:16:51 <boekabart> It's a good idea I think 14:17:05 <TrueBrain> I tend to think so too yes ;) 14:17:14 <TrueBrain> bah, I hate DNS cache 14:17:15 <boekabart> but should it be 1 blog where all the devs write.... 14:17:20 <boekabart> or 1 blog per dev 14:17:26 <boekabart> I tend to prefer the first 14:17:29 <TrueBrain> check the page :) 14:17:59 <boekabart> Yea, 14:18:12 <boekabart> Implies 'all devs', but you're the only one writing 14:18:20 <Belugas> yet 14:18:24 <TrueBrain> read the latest post 14:18:27 <TrueBrain> check the date 14:18:28 <TrueBrain> do the math 14:18:28 <boekabart> just did 14:28:21 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-19-16.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 14:35:07 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB63C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:36:08 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:36:24 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB63C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:11 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 14:45:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> that really huge screenshot thingie from earlier has some buildings "borrowed" from sc2000, i think 14:45:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> some details are nice 14:45:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> like the two level bridge (road/rail) 14:48:15 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB63C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:49:20 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB63C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:49:38 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 14:50:16 <Ailure> [16:45] <Eddi|zuHause3> that really huge screenshot thingie from earlier has some buildings "borrowed" from sc2000, i think 14:50:21 <Ailure> yeah 14:50:42 <Ailure> I forgot where, but I rememer seeing a uhm 14:50:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> i first recognised the water tower 14:50:54 <Ailure> aircraft control tower 14:50:57 <Ailure> from Simcity2000 14:51:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> then a parking lot and a stadium 14:51:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> and several appartment buildings 14:51:11 <Ailure> it looked rather ugly too 14:51:17 <Ailure> as the author blew it up to 2x it's size 14:51:41 <Ailure> http://www.tt-forums.net/images/avatars/109632397545a80a80a94bd.png 14:51:44 <Ailure> this tower infact 14:51:48 <Ailure> someone had it in his avatar 15:00:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:01:10 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB63C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:13 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB63C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:11 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB63C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:11 *** Osai^2 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power 18:40:08 <Sacro> peter1138: good idea 18:40:57 <hylje> :o 18:41:07 <Sacro> hylje: thats a nice tunnel 18:43:47 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-219-206.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:29 <peter1138> well 18:44:56 <peter1138> iirc ttdpatch doubles the airdrag in a tunnel, or something 18:45:13 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:53:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> that's why they try to reduce air pressure in tunnels :) 18:54:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> but you need special trains to run in "vacuum" tunnels 19:01:42 <Phazorx> or just have another one next to it with air chafts 19:08:14 *** boekabart [~bdb@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:14:10 *** orudge [~orudge@138.251.254.190] has quit [] 19:15:55 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:21:16 <peter1138> shafts :) 19:21:19 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:21:54 *** tokai|noir 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(fixes dbsetxl refits again...) 19:24:22 <peter1138> i wonder what it breaks again... never mind 19:29:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 19:41:59 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:49:51 <Wolf01> :( there's somebody who knows well how autorails code works? 19:50:32 <peter1138> hmm, 19:50:49 <peter1138> my et-87 goes 111 mph with no speed limit 19:59:05 <peter1138> boooo, overflows ;( 19:59:37 <peter1138> what's wrong with 761600 hp? :/ 20:02:29 <boekabart> since when is bridges-over-45 deg-rails in trunk? 20:03:03 <hylje> some thousand revs 20:03:05 <glx> a long time ago 20:03:13 <peter1138> one of the first things after the 0.5 branch 20:03:14 <boekabart> as in a year 20:04:19 <Rubidium> 2006 20:05:10 <glx> @openttd log 7573 20:05:35 <glx> !openttd commit 7573 20:05:42 <_42_> Commit by celestar :: r7573 /trunk/ (39 files in 5 dirs) (2006-12-27 12:38:02 UTC) 20:05:44 <_42_> -Merged the bridge branch. Allows to build bridges of arbitrary rail/road combinations (including signals) 20:07:27 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:07:33 <peter1138> hmm, high speed requires a lot of power... 20:08:04 <peter1138> 2000t, 230000hp, 7300kN max te 20:08:08 <peter1138> max speed... 416 mph 20:09:11 <lolman> Is that taking air resistance and friction with rails into account? 20:09:16 <peter1138> yes 20:09:38 <lolman> Wow, one hefty engine needed for that 20:09:42 <peter1138> supplied force 901 kN, resistive forces, 899 kN 20:09:50 <peter1138> um, 24 actually ;) 20:09:55 <lolman> Heh 20:09:58 <lolman> I figured 20:09:59 <hylje> how long is this train 20:10:27 <peter1138> 12 tiles ;p 20:10:46 <glx> hehe of course it needs a lot of power ;) 20:11:04 <lolman> Bah brb 20:11:10 <peter1138> max speed should be 143 mph with this engine 20:11:13 <peter1138> those poor bearings... 20:11:59 <peter1138> hmm 20:12:27 <peter1138> hah 20:12:37 <peter1138> i turned off realistic acceleration, and it went way faster 20:13:04 <peter1138> doing 685 mph atm 20:13:14 <peter1138> hm, weird 20:13:20 <peter1138> resistive forces are lower :/ 20:13:44 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 20:14:04 <peter1138> must be an overflow somewhere there 20:16:27 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:17:59 * peter1138 tries to remember why he was playing with this... 20:27:59 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 20:29:45 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:42 *** Sleepie [~Sleepie@p54B35553.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:48:41 <mikegrb> multiple engines make a train handle hills better? 20:50:45 <peter1138> yes, more power 20:52:56 <mikegrb> k thought so 20:53:12 <mikegrb> I think this engine type just sucks ;) 20:54:53 <mikegrb> doess splitting them between back and front make a difference? 20:55:10 <glx> visually only 20:55:22 <mikegrb> k 20:56:15 <mikegrb> the 32bpp stuff looks awesome, can't wait 20:56:34 <peter1138> teehee 20:58:45 <hylje> what is 32bpp around now? 21:01:18 <peter1138> around 4 times larger than 8 bpp! 21:01:48 <Sleepie> lol :) 21:03:18 <hylje> alpha channel 21:04:13 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:38 <Ailure> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/OpenTTD:Sandbox 21:06:43 <Ailure> I must be some kind of train layout nazi 21:06:46 <Ailure> even if it's in the sandbox 21:06:52 <Ailure> I have the urge of replacing that picture 21:07:04 <Ailure> such sharp turn D: 21:07:19 <peter1138> nothing wrong with that 21:07:55 <Ailure> hehe 21:08:54 * hylje changes that to a 90 turn 21:10:04 <Ailure> even worse xD 21:10:17 <Ailure> when I ran a server 21:10:24 <Ailure> I got people complaining that I disallowed 90 degree turns 21:11:17 <elmex> really great when you join a server, get a nice coal mine, build up your first line, and then later, when you hauled your first coal someone steps in, builds another station and leeches your mine. and says: 21:11:25 <elmex> "I was building tracks even before you joined!" 21:11:37 <Ailure> I hate when people complain about that 21:11:38 <Ailure> xD 21:11:46 <Ailure> I see it as fair competition 21:11:47 <Ailure> :p 21:12:01 <elmex> ah, getting in each others way is fair competition? 21:12:24 <Ailure> Depends in what way 21:12:29 <elmex> right, 21:12:38 <Ailure> Blocking someone from building stuff 21:12:42 <Ailure> on purpose 21:12:48 <Ailure> is not fair :P 21:12:57 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 21:13:00 <Ailure> Picking up cargo from the same industry as someone else is fair though 21:13:03 <elmex> he is blocking me on purpose from building stuff :-) he is killing my money source so i can't build 21:13:33 <Ailure> You get less money 21:13:50 <Ailure> but from the mpression I get, you're hardly getting killed 21:14:02 <Ailure> just concentrate on improving ratings to compete someone fairly 21:14:05 <Ailure> you get more cargo than him then 21:14:26 <elmex> how to improve ratings on a coal mine? 21:14:46 <Ailure> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Game_Mechanics#Station_rating 21:14:57 <Ailure> Explains the factors involved in station ratings 21:15:01 <elmex> k 21:15:03 <hylje> http://hylje.fi/files/ottd/welcome-to-the-sandbox.png 21:15:16 <Ailure> hahaha 21:15:52 <Sleepie> oh no ;) 21:16:33 <Ailure> Now you're just mocking me :p 21:16:50 <hylje> i didnt make the rail extend all over the image 21:16:52 <Ailure> Imagine a train going 500 km/h on that track 21:17:20 <Ailure> which probably would be possible with the old acceleration algorithm and with maglev trains 21:18:25 <Wolf01> 'night 21:18:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:19:37 <Ailure> of course 21:19:43 <Ailure> with TTD logic 21:19:46 * peter1138 throws Ailure's brain out of his ears 21:19:54 <hylje> his brain was in the ears? 21:19:58 <hylje> oh wait, furry 21:20:04 <Ailure> passengers would no longer be passengers after a ride on a typical TTD maglev :p 21:20:19 <hylje> well take a concorde 21:20:24 <Ailure> haha 21:20:25 <Ailure> point 21:20:30 <hylje> deaccelerates pretty fast 21:20:38 <Ailure> there was a funny bug 21:20:44 <Ailure> with a airport that as fixed now 21:20:57 <hylje> wut 21:21:00 <hylje> funny? in my airport? 21:21:01 <Ailure> which for some reason didn't slow down concordes at 2000 km/h 21:21:33 <Ailure> so a concorde would go from 2000 km/h to 50 km/h in a single 'tick' 21:21:41 <hylje> exactly 21:22:42 <peter1138> it still doesn't 21:23:43 <peter1138> hmm 21:25:13 <peter1138> ah, the default one works ok, mostly 21:25:26 <peter1138> the concorde in av8 touches down at 850 mph 21:25:44 <peter1138> and is doing 550 mph at the end of the runway 21:26:03 <Ailure> heh 21:26:07 <Ailure> the conrode in AV8 21:26:13 <Ailure> used to not slow down with some airports 21:26:32 <Sleepie> isn't that a kind of cheating ;) 21:26:48 <peter1138> sometimes it used to stop at the start of the runway 21:26:52 <Ailure> Breaking the laws of physics 21:26:53 <Ailure> yes 21:26:55 <peter1138> then taxi the length of it at 31mph... 21:27:02 <hylje> fun 21:27:08 <hylje> harrier oncorde 21:31:05 <peter1138> that would be something... 21:32:29 <hylje> quick someone make it 21:32:35 <hylje> copter concorde 21:34:21 *** bencvt [~bencvt@va-71-53-204-176.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #openttd 21:37:20 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zzZ 21:37:24 *** Osai^zzZ is now known as Osai^zZz 21:38:09 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387E09A.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:40:25 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:40:45 <peter1138> hmm 21:40:46 <peter1138> quiet :/ 21:41:33 <peterbrett> peter1138: indeed 21:41:42 <boekabart> wOOt, 2 peters 21:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> we have too many peters around here 21:42:20 <XeryusTC> yes, let shoot a random one 21:42:34 <boekabart> but not peter1138, he's too important 21:42:46 <XeryusTC> *random* 21:42:53 * boekabart takes his nose out of peter1138s butt again 21:44:09 <peterbrett> You can't ever have too many Peters. I don't know what you're talking about. 21:44:28 <boekabart> isn't peter another word for.. err\ 21:45:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> not in a sensible language ;) 21:45:36 <DaleStan> Rock? Indeed. 21:45:41 <boekabart> in american english? 21:45:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> i said sensible :pü 21:46:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> -ü 21:47:26 <hylje> sensibility? in my ü? 21:48:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> you're insane, i don't listen to you 21:48:44 * peterbrett wants signal autocomplete in svn 21:49:00 <boekabart> which is that? autocomplete until first switch? 21:49:17 <hylje> you can read my lines though 21:49:34 <peterbrett> boekabart: yes 21:49:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> actually, the plan is to make multiple signals per line unnecessary 21:49:58 <peterbrett> Eddi|zuHause3: how? 21:50:31 <boekabart> yeh, wanted that too 21:50:40 <boekabart> auto-keep-distance-based-on-speeds? 21:50:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> there was something about virtual signals, but the plan was not very far developed last time i checked :) 21:51:14 <peterbrett> The problem is that the effective block section length varies depending on what the piece of track is for 21:51:17 <peter1138> pbs! 21:51:29 <peterbrett> peter1138: Yeah, what's the status of that?# 21:51:42 <peter1138> who knows 21:51:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> that's the same plan :) 21:53:19 <peterbrett> Anyway, I'm off 21:53:22 <peterbrett> night everyone 21:53:24 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:53:43 <peter1138> oh good he's gone 21:55:14 <Sleepie> someone had shoot him probably? ;P 22:03:32 <Thomas[NL]> http://blog.openttd.org/?p=11 yay news about newindustries 22:05:48 <Ailure> :o 22:05:57 <Ailure> hmm a devoloper blog 22:05:58 <Ailure> nice 22:06:25 <Thomas[NL]> shh...it's secret 22:06:45 <Ailure> "During that cleaning process, some nice bugs appeared, showing how interesting that feature will be, like temperate sawmill cutting trees around itself, exactly like the tropical lumber mill." 22:07:08 <Ailure> I remember that someone thought it was a new feature in openTTD xD 22:07:48 <Thomas[NL]> It happened to me and didn't know if it was a bug or a feature :) 22:08:17 <Thomas[NL]> but it looks stupid a square of bare land around the sawmill -.- 22:12:29 *** boekabart [~bdb@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:33 <glx> [00:06:30] <Thomas[NL]> shh...it's secret <-- it's in the topic ;) 22:14:58 <Thomas[NL]> oh no, someone leaked 22:19:23 <Thomas[NL]> good night all 22:19:31 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:23:24 <Ailure> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Tips 22:23:29 <Ailure> " * Did you know that you can sell an entire train all at once by dragging the engine onto the dynamite icon? " 22:23:30 <Ailure> xD 22:23:43 <Ailure> I remember when it was a dynamiet icon 22:24:11 <Ailure> Guess I just remove that tip altogether, since it kind of obvious in teh depot window now 22:28:13 <peter1138> i remember when i needed to go to sleep 22:28:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> that must have been a long time ago :p 22:29:08 <peter1138> nope 22:29:11 <peter1138> it's about now 22:29:28 <Sleepie> bye then ;) 22:30:08 <peter1138> au revoir 22:36:00 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:36:53 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:25 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-19-16.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:41:43 <Sacro> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31765 this needs merging 22:42:37 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:48 <bencvt> merging? did i mess up the threads by renaming it? 22:45:54 <bencvt> er, nm 22:46:02 <bencvt> thanks:P 22:46:13 *** glx|away is now known as glx 22:47:28 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-224-177.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:48:12 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-19-16.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:41 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:54:25 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:57:48 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 23:03:34 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 23:10:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EF89.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:26 *** Sleepie [~Sleepie@p54B35553.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:50 *** Sleepie [~Sleepie@p54b35553.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:15:31 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:29:36 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:22 *** Sleepie [~Sleepie@p54b35553.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:03 *** setrodox [setrodox@85-124-173-11.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 23:56:20 * dihedral is going to hit the rack 23:56:34 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-219-206.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]]