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00:00:04 *** jjr [~chatzilla@32.221.broadband6.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 00:06:15 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:07:52 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:43 <SmatZ> grrrr 00:10:39 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:21:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D803.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:52 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-176-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:47:27 *** Sionide is now known as Sionideboy 00:47:48 *** Sionideboy is now known as Sionide 00:58:47 <SpComb> gah 01:00:46 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 01:02:20 <SmatZ> GAH! 01:02:29 <Gonozal_VIII> oh noes 01:02:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Prof_Frink> *Never* type "kaffeine *" in your futurama directory <- i would try it, but for some weird reason, i don't have one 01:02:32 <SmatZ> why are you people so unhappy tonight? 01:02:44 <SmatZ> :) 01:03:38 <Digitalfox> Hey guys what ever happen to Chris Sawyer after locomotion? There is no single news about him since 2004 in the release of locomotion... 01:03:49 <Gonozal_VIII> because painting the steps of inserting something into a b*-tree sucks? 01:04:07 <Digitalfox> Did he just quit because of poor locomotion sales?? :\ 01:05:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Gonozal_VIII> because painting the steps of inserting something into a b*-tree sucks? <- what's the problem, just pipe everything into "dot -Tpng" 01:06:04 <Gonozal_VIII> into waah? 01:07:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> echo 'digraph G { A -> B -> C }' | dot -Tpng > picture.png 01:08:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> www.graphviz.org 01:14:13 <Gonozal_VIII> weeeell... looks complicated 01:15:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's totally easy 01:16:00 <Gonozal_VIII> lots of programs... 01:16:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> for trees, dot is totally enough 01:16:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> and the structure of a .dot file is trivial 01:17:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can make undirected edges with -- and directed edges with -> 01:17:55 <Sacro> http://www.tuxisalive.com <- THIS IS FTW 01:17:56 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm i need a b*tree... 01:18:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> so what? 01:18:08 <Gonozal_VIII> with empty squares and such 01:18:09 <ln-> good morning, channel! 01:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> empty_node [label="", shape=square] 01:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> the point is, you can create .dot files from your program that inserts nodes into the tree 01:20:26 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't have a program that inserts nodes into the tree 01:20:33 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't have a tree at all... 01:20:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> make one? 01:20:48 <Gonozal_VIII> i have an assignment where i have to paint that stuff 01:21:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> the point is, making a 5 line program is not more effort than making 10 paintings 01:22:07 <Gonozal_VIII> but i don't know how to make a b*tree program :S 01:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> choosing the right language is kinda important ;) 01:22:35 <Gonozal_VIII> well i know how... but that's a lot more than 5 lines and would take long... 01:22:43 <Gonozal_VIII> very long.. 01:23:20 <Gonozal_VIII> and the only language i know is java 01:23:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> what is the problem? a tree is just a graph, you have a list of nodes, and for each node you have a list of adjacent nodes 01:23:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> {1:[2,3], 2:[4,5,6], 3:[7,8,9]} 01:24:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> tree with 9 nodes and 3 levels 01:24:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> 1 line 01:25:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> inserting is just putting the new item somewhere, and then shuffle everything around for rebalancing 01:26:02 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, it's the shuffle everything around part that bothers me 01:26:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> in order to paint it, you must have the rules written somewhere 01:27:59 <Gonozal_VIII> possible 01:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> if you have rules written somewhere in n lines, you can program it in O(n) number of lines 01:29:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> and i am pretty sure inserting in trees is not written in a 300 page document ;) 01:29:38 <Sacro> gah, DAMNIT 01:29:45 <Sacro> what kind of idiot wrote the Ada compiler in Ada 01:29:52 * Sacro is stuck in a recursive infinate loop 01:31:08 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77A60.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:33:32 <fjb> It's usual to write a complier in it's own language. 01:34:18 <Sacro> fjb: no, most are written in C 01:35:40 <Gonozal_VIII> i've heard in a lecture that it took the ada compiler days to compile itself 01:35:53 <fjb> I don't think so. And why should you stay with something like C when you can write the compiler in a better language? Most compilers I know are written in their own language. 01:36:03 <Sacro> fjb: how can i compile an ada compiler 01:36:07 <Sacro> WITHOUT THE DAMNED ADA COMPILER 01:36:29 <fjb> Get another ADA compiler. :-) 01:36:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: what was there first, the hen or the egg? 01:36:39 <fjb> Which compiler are you talking about? 01:36:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, the first compilers were written in machine language 01:37:00 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHauseindeed 01:37:06 <Sacro> trying to compile gnat 01:37:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> and even anywayer, usually you write an interpreter first 01:37:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> and you can then run the compiler in the interpreter 01:37:38 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:39:56 <fjb> Hm, gnat 2005 or 2006? 01:39:57 <Sacro> what is "Frais de port"? 01:40:02 <Sacro> fjb: either 01:40:44 <Sacro> instructions tell me to download gnat-gcc-4.1.1-FC6.i386.rpm 01:40:49 <Sacro> and then add that to $PATH 01:40:59 <Sacro> but then it loses the ability to build C/C++ files 01:41:16 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:41:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Sacro> what is "Frais de port"? <- some milk product? 01:42:19 <Sacro> where are all the french people 01:42:29 <fjb> Hm, you should only need gcc to compile gnat. 01:42:47 <Sacro> fjb: yes 01:43:10 <Sacro> but i am using --enable-languages=ada,c,c++,objc 01:43:20 <Sacro> but i don't have an existing compiler that supports ada and C 01:43:49 <fjb> Only C or even no C? 01:44:24 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:44:52 <ln-> Is dit de voedselreplicator? 01:44:58 <Sacro> fjb: i have 2 compilers 01:45:03 <Sacro> 1 that just does ada 01:45:08 <Sacro> and one that does everything else 01:45:37 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 01:46:36 <ln-> Het ligt hoog. Cardassiaanse stijl. 01:48:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: didn't you say next week? 01:48:29 <ln-> it is next week. 01:57:34 <fjb> Sacro: On FreeBSD you use ftp://ftp.cn.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/local-distfiles/deischen/gcc/ to install gnat. :-) 01:57:49 <Sacro> fjb: i'm not running FreeBSD 01:57:52 <Sacro> but thanks :p 01:58:21 <fjb> Sorry ftp://ftp.cn.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/local-distfiles/deischen/gcc/gnat-3.15p-boot.tar.gz 01:59:00 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 01:59:01 <fjb> In about 10 Minutes I will know what the contents of that archive is. 01:59:11 <ln-> minutes 01:59:30 <fjb> And it's your own fault if you are not using FreeBSD. :-) 02:04:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-209-90.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:06:38 <glx> [02:40:08] <Sacro> what is "Frais de port"? <-- shipping 02:07:02 <Sacro> glx: merci 02:07:47 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-48-86.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:13:29 <fjb> Sacro: It contains a precompiled Ada compiler. :-) 02:13:42 <Sacro> fjb: arch doesn't have a precompiled one yet 02:13:49 <SmatZ> night 02:13:51 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:15:52 <fjb> Sorry, I don't have a cross compiler. And Linux is not able to run BSD binaries. 02:17:30 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB7E08.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 02:21:19 <ln-> the holographic doctor of Voyager can speak german..? 02:22:12 <Gonozal_VIII> why not? daniel jackson can also speak something like german 02:22:33 <fjb> At least he visited germany and liked the country. 02:23:06 <ln-> i think i once saw an interview on german tv where the actor spoke german. (not dubbed) 02:23:43 <Gonozal_VIII> ah you mean the actor not the role 02:24:00 <Sacro> http://83.18.69.154/archlinux-ada/ looks promising 02:24:01 * ln- believes the actor is a hologram 02:24:24 <fjb> Bruce Willis was born in Germany. :-) 02:25:16 <ln-> http://www.trekzone.de/sys/frontend/index.php?id=1789 02:25:17 * Sacro belives ln- is a hologram 02:25:35 <ln-> "Er spricht recht gut Deutsch, ..." 02:26:06 <Sacro> you speak real good german! 02:29:41 <Sacro> no, right good 02:33:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> "he speaks" 02:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> and "recht gut" is best translated by "quite good" 02:34:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> or "quite well", depending on position 02:44:13 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N948P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46:12 <ln-> Modificeer de deflectiegenerator zó dat er een laag energieveld onstaat. 02:49:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> "laag"? 02:51:49 <Sacro> ooh 02:51:58 <Sacro> :D i think i have gcc with added ada building 02:57:51 *** jetthe [~jetthe@cust.fiber-lan.vnet.lk.85.194.50.228.stunet.se] has quit [Quit: Poff!] 03:24:14 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-19-44.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:24:19 <Gekz> where's that Chris dude 03:28:15 <Belugas> !seen Chris dude 03:28:31 <Gekz> lol 03:28:32 <Belugas> @seen Chris dude 03:28:37 <DorpsGek> Belugas: seen [<channel>] <nick> 03:28:42 <Gekz> the Chris guy that makes ChrisIN 03:28:58 <Belugas> well... 03:29:03 <Belugas> like... not there 03:29:13 <Gekz> wow, really/. 03:29:15 <Belugas> i wonder if ever ever came by anyway... 03:29:30 <Gekz> you are making less sense now lol 03:29:54 <Gekz> @seen Chris 03:29:54 <DorpsGek> Gekz: I have not seen Chris. 03:30:17 <Gekz> @seen ChrisH 03:30:17 <DorpsGek> Gekz: ChrisH was last seen in #openttd 14 weeks, 2 days, 9 hours, 52 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <ChrisH> ahh. grfcodec was the prog... i just didn't remember its name. thx 03:30:22 <Gekz> -_- 03:30:25 <Gekz> that's worrying 03:31:01 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:31:14 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 03:31:46 <Belugas> that you know. 03:32:40 <Belugas> harggggg.... 03:32:43 <Belugas> Now you know 03:32:54 <Belugas> laaaa. better :) 03:33:21 <Belugas> so, if you had to talk to him, you'be be better of with a PM on forums 03:33:51 <Gekz> yeah 03:33:54 <Gekz> but I'm lazy 03:34:44 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 03:36:39 <Belugas> too bad for you 03:37:04 <Belugas> so up on your ass and type him a lovely pm! 03:37:21 <Belugas> 'casue if you wait for him to come by, you will be much older 03:39:16 <fjb> Good night. 03:39:26 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E245.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Realworld is calling.] 03:40:52 <Gekz> I dont fear age 03:41:21 <Sacro> hmm 03:41:25 <Sacro> "patch: command not found" 03:41:32 <Gekz> owned lol 03:41:39 <Sacro> pacman -S core-devel 03:41:43 <Sacro> how strange :\ 03:42:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11617 /trunk/src/main_gui.cpp: -Feature(ette): Add the same game-mode keyboard shortcuts in scenario more.(Bilbo) 03:42:42 <Gekz> Sacro: pacman -S patch 03:45:00 <Belugas> [22:46] <Gekz> I dont fear age <-- such an arrogant and ignorant thing to say... Obviously, a young fool. 03:46:12 <Gekz> :) 03:46:23 <Gekz> or, I'm just young and have nothing to fear :P 03:47:25 <glx> hmm IIRC it is chris82 03:47:41 <Belugas> wrong. you are young, for sure. you do not know fear. not the same as not knowing what to fear. 03:47:58 <Belugas> @seen chris82 03:47:58 <DorpsGek> Belugas: chris82 was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 5 days, 14 hours, 43 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <Chris82> -was 03:48:10 <Belugas> either way :) not often around ;) 03:48:13 <glx> @seen chrisIN 03:48:13 <DorpsGek> glx: chrisIN was last seen in #openttd 18 weeks, 1 day, 12 hours, 33 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <ChrisIN> and I thought why why why? it's in the middle of the city 03:48:22 <glx> and he used this nick too 03:49:35 <Gekz> this is why peopel should use only one nick 03:49:39 <Gekz> so it's easy to stalk them 03:49:57 <glx> @seen chrissicom 03:49:57 <DorpsGek> glx: chrissicom was last seen in #openttd 32 weeks, 0 days, 10 hours, 26 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Chrissicom> good evening :) 03:50:10 <glx> lol he used this one too 03:50:40 <Belugas> he must have forgotten his passwords and started a new nick/session :) 03:50:58 <glx> or he didn't registered at ll 03:51:01 <glx> *all 03:51:46 <glx> anyway it's late so /me -> bed 03:52:28 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:54:05 <Belugas> pffff.... i give up debugging for tonigh 03:54:16 <Belugas> good night, going to bed me too 04:54:34 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@106.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:18:04 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 05:41:17 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-138-130.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 05:51:06 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:52:12 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-138-130.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:56:15 *** DaleStan 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I want to disable it in game but.. How i can do it? 11:16:35 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 11:17:25 <_fjb_> You can not. 11:18:40 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm make the overlay sprites transparent :-) 11:19:43 *** _fjb_ is now known as fjb 11:24:10 *** dihedral [~dihedral@141.72.197.130] has joined #openttd 11:29:59 *** erikv [~erik@kotnet-144.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #openttd 11:38:48 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc404-14.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41:49 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 11:45:51 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 11:47:15 *** LordAzamath|busy [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 11:48:21 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:49:07 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:07 * Sacro has Ada :D 12:00:58 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-19-44.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 12:03:25 * fjb hopes Sacro will get well soon. 12:03:35 <Sacro> fjb: :( 12:04:06 *** LordAzamath|busy [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 12:07:54 * dihedral does not want to know how Sacro measures his temperature 12:08:12 <Sacro> dihedral: i sit in a bathtub and see if i can boil water 12:08:33 <dihedral> LOL 12:09:51 *** LeviathNL [LeviathNL@wlan-145-94-223-248.wlan.tudelft.nl] has quit [] 12:17:15 *** dihedral [~dihedral@141.72.197.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:29 *** erikv [~erik@kotnet-144.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:23:35 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 12:52:09 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 13:09:14 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:14:04 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6379.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 13:20:18 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 13:25:12 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@106.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:35:39 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:43:06 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 13:49:03 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:49:23 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-108-152-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 13:49:31 <Draakon> hello 13:50:54 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@106.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:52:02 *** Draakon is now known as Draagon 13:54:04 <fjb> Hi Draagon 13:54:45 *** stick` [~stick@spectra.kolej.mff.cuni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:54:48 <stick`> hi all 13:55:34 <stick`> any of the devels here ? :) 13:58:44 <glx> why? 13:59:48 <stick`> i have troubles building openttd 0.6.0 beta2 with gcc 4.3.0 14:00:20 <glx> what doesn't work? 14:00:31 <stick`> cmd_helper.h:12: error: explicit template specialization cannot have a storage class 14:00:35 <stick`> line is : 14:00:44 <stick`> template<> static inline void ExtractValid<1>() {} 14:01:55 <stick`> i will file a bugreport if it is not trivial and we will not solve it here 14:05:33 <Belugas> i doubt a bugreport would be a good and wise thing in this case. Many compilers can swallow that line. Could it be that your own setting has something gone wrong? 14:05:41 <glx> there are known problems with gcc 4.3.0, and I think one of the devs tried to fix them, but I can't find where it is 14:06:25 <stick`> Belugas: mine setting is ok 14:09:23 <Belugas> do you have some other compilers at your disposal? You might have to wait (or bring the fixes yourself ;) ) until the dev that glx is speaking about comes up with a solution 14:09:49 <stick`> yes I have another compilers, that is no problem 14:10:17 <stick`> i'm maintaining openttd for SUSE and we are using gcc 4.3.0 to test whether programs will build with it 14:10:29 <stick`> and if there are problems we create patches for upstream 14:10:43 <Draagon> anyone knows why with ECS (a newgrf) generating those industries takes a long time when you generate a new random game? 14:10:45 <stick`> but this is somehow cryptic for me :) 14:11:16 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 14:11:32 <hylje> http://www.1chan.net/rail/src/1197323861153.jpg 14:11:32 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-19-44.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:11:40 <Gekz> if I do openttd --help 14:11:46 <Gekz> what video drivers should i see? 14:11:50 <Gekz> all I see is null and dedicated. 14:12:00 <Belugas> Draagon, it's because the landscape is quite different than what the grf is expecting, plus there are tons of checks (read callbacks) that slow stufff down 14:12:24 <Draagon> Belugas: k thanks for infomring 14:12:28 <Belugas> understood stick` 14:12:35 <Draagon> informing* 14:13:00 <Belugas> no Problem Draagon. 14:13:04 <stick`> ok, i will try to fix it by myself, see ya 14:13:06 *** stick` [~stick@spectra.kolej.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:13:15 <Belugas> that's the spirit! 14:13:25 <Belugas> fixing, not leaving... 14:13:28 <Gekz> lol 14:13:49 <Draagon> lol 14:14:06 <Gekz> Belugas: any idea abuot my thing? 14:15:14 <Belugas> Gekz, no. i do not have the slightest idea 14:15:23 <Belugas> and i have too much work to open up the sources 14:15:26 <Gekz> Belugas: are you using linux? 14:15:31 <Belugas> irc is the best i can come up with 14:15:35 <Belugas> Gekz, no on winXP 14:15:54 <Gekz> because if you were, you could have simply typed openttd --help and compared 14:15:55 <Belugas> both at home and at work 14:16:03 <Belugas> not while at work, thanks 14:16:06 <Gekz> because when I type openttd, it just loads for a second then nothing 14:16:27 <Gekz> and exits 0 >_> 14:17:28 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:17:49 *** stick` [~stick@spectra.kolej.mff.cuni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:17:53 <stick`> i got it 14:17:55 <stick`> :) 14:18:02 <stick`> had to remove 'static' from the line 14:20:23 <Belugas> any idea why, stick` ? 14:21:04 <stick`> hm, no, error was "error: explicit template specialization cannot have a storage class" 14:21:15 <stick`> and 'storage class' is auto or static 14:23:50 <Belugas> noted :) 14:23:58 <stick`> filing bugreport 14:24:06 * Belugas will pass the info the the relevant dev :) 14:24:12 <Belugas> no, not required, stick` 14:24:40 <stick`> ok 14:24:41 <stick`> bye now 14:24:44 <LordAzamath> he..I just made a bug report too :D 14:25:16 <stick`> LordAzamath: what ID ? 14:25:19 <Belugas> yeah, such a usefull one, LordAzamath... you have not replied, by the way ;) 14:26:19 <Draagon> LordAzamath: you did? then why #openttd.notice dint tell me that :P 14:27:13 <LordAzamath> I have now ;) 14:27:38 <Draagon> oh sorry misread 14:27:44 <LordAzamath> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1530 14:27:46 <LordAzamath> :D 14:28:11 *** stick` [~stick@spectra.kolej.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Quit: bye] 14:32:48 <Draagon> hehe i found a bug 14:32:50 <Draagon> i think 14:33:12 <LordAzamath> Belugas ...needed replacements would be industries, town buildings, gui, terrains, foundations, trains, trams, buses, lorries, ships, planes, company related, trees? 14:33:22 <LordAzamath> for 8bpp gfx replacement? 14:33:35 <Draagon> loading West Country 90101(original TTD scenario) there are canals under bridges :O 14:33:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Gekz> all I see is null and dedicated. <- you are probably missing sdl-devel package 14:33:52 <Belugas> trams maybe not. not part of the original deployment, LordAzamath 14:33:59 <LordAzamath> ouch... 14:34:03 <LordAzamath> you got it : 14:34:04 <LordAzamath> D 14:34:09 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause2: I came to that conclusion about ... whenever I said that 14:34:15 <LordAzamath> I tried to sneak that on too ;D 14:34:37 <LordAzamath> but anything else? 14:34:41 <LordAzamath> the news 14:35:24 <LordAzamath> when you see like this and this has happened and when presenting a tycoon of the century 14:36:02 <LordAzamath> then...the windows and toolbars are drawn by code? 14:37:10 <Draagon> will the game in Open ends 2051 or 2050? 14:37:29 <LordAzamath> 2051 14:37:33 <Draagon> k 14:37:43 <LordAzamath> it starts at 1951 default too 14:37:45 <Draagon> doing a skip to see what the ending like in OpenTTD 14:37:46 <LordAzamath> iirc 14:38:19 <Draagon> dam ECS industries close too fast, anyway to prevent that? 14:38:47 <Gekz> feed them 14:39:23 <Draagon> but without feeding them? 14:39:32 <glx> no way without feeding 14:39:50 <Belugas> useless anyway without feeding ;) 14:39:50 <Draagon> k 14:40:26 <glx> you have 3? years to choose what industries you want to keep open, and feed them :) 14:40:28 <Draagon> hmm sand pit is out of balance :P 14:45:10 *** Smoovious [~imp486@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code is a psychopath who knows where you live.] 14:45:18 <Draagon> lol 14:46:30 <Draagon> does anyone know a server that has ECS? 14:50:04 <Gekz> Omg. 14:50:10 <Gekz> I have openttd on my asus eee :D 14:50:10 <Draagon> ? 14:50:10 <LordAzamath> we can't use Pikka's basic as industries, because they don't create new sprites, yes? 14:50:27 <Draagon> what you mean by that? 14:50:40 <LordAzamath> 8bpp graphics replacement project 14:50:49 <LordAzamath> to get rid of copyright problems 14:51:16 <Draagon> oh 14:51:21 <Draagon> well 14:51:21 <LordAzamath> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Graphics_Replacement 14:51:39 <LordAzamath> it has not had any progress for some time 14:51:49 <Draagon> we can make same busses and stuff in 32BBP too 14:52:06 <Draagon> and they look same 14:52:22 <LordAzamath> I think this is better 14:52:23 <LordAzamath> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=33415 14:52:25 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:52:26 <LordAzamath> for buses 14:52:34 <LordAzamath> it's designed to be generic 14:52:40 <LordAzamath> and it has lorries too 14:52:51 <LordAzamath> and it's complete 14:52:57 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 14:55:11 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-209-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:38 <Gekz> very nice 14:55:38 <Gekz> :D 14:57:13 <LordAzamath> when we could get permission from Michael Blunck, we could use his ships and trains i.e...although there are so many train sets, that trains need to be voted :D 14:57:21 <LordAzamath> http://www.ewetel.net/~michael.blunck/ttd/ 14:58:43 <Draagon> remake original TTD trains in 32BBP perhaps? 14:58:55 <Gekz> oh 14:58:56 <Gekz> the db set 14:58:59 <Gekz> dbset rocks 14:59:28 <LordAzamath> Draagon..then we would have to convert everything back to 8bpp 14:59:34 <LordAzamath> it wouldn be hard BUT 15:00:00 <Draagon> why should we if we remake original TTD graphics in 32BBP? 15:00:19 <Gekz> I for one probably wouldnt use it 15:00:23 <Gekz> I like the current graphics 15:00:29 <Gekz> the size mainly 15:01:09 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 15:01:21 <LordAzamath> quote from blog 15:01:22 <LordAzamath> Now first of all: 8bpp is the core of OpenTTD, and it will remain that way. No way 32bpp will remove the need for 8bpp graphics.Second, 32bpp is client side. So you can play on a server with mixed 32bpp and 8bpp clients, no problem at all. 32bpp just overrides the images on the client replacing them with more pretty graphics. 15:01:36 <LordAzamath> http://blog.openttd.org/?p=15 15:02:07 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 15:02:07 <LeviathNL> !logs 15:02:50 <Draagon> wait a second, i have got that 32BBP thing wrong? it means then 32BBP will only repleaces specifed grf spirets with images :O 15:03:01 <Gekz> lol 15:03:03 <Gekz> yes. 15:03:35 <LeviathNL> can you replace the real-sprites of newgrfs? 15:03:53 <glx> yes 15:04:35 <LordAzamath> Draagon http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=34762 there are posts that made clear, that no-way 8bpp will be removed 15:04:37 <glx> using the same "format" as replacing TTD sprites, grfname/XXXX.png wher XXXX is the real sprite 15:05:07 <LeviathNL> in the data/sprites folder? even if the grf is in a subfolder? 15:05:19 <LordAzamath> like sprites/dbxlset/556.png 15:05:28 <LordAzamath> or something 15:05:35 <LordAzamath> and you can make a tar too 15:05:36 <glx> 32bpp sprites can be downscaled to make generic 8bpp 15:06:50 *** Draagon [~chatzilla@88-196-108-152-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 15:11:07 <LordAzamath> glx, they're downscaled anyway...you just need to conver them to 8bpp 15:12:40 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 15:13:05 <LordAzamath> in instance my tropical bank would look like this 15:13:06 <LordAzamath> http://www.imageox.com/share/136232-tropicalba.png 15:13:55 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-19-44.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:15:12 <glx> not bad 15:17:25 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 15:47:43 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:36 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 15:51:55 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 15:52:28 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 15:53:17 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:57:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83984.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83808.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:58:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:01:24 *** kbrooks [~kbrooks@d235-130-238.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:28 <kbrooks> hi 16:01:49 <kbrooks> wassup? 16:01:53 <Sacro> the sky 16:02:06 <hylje> hai 16:02:31 <kbrooks> does 0.6 have ..... umm 16:02:51 <kbrooks> subdisaries 16:03:47 *** erikv [~erik@kotnet-144.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #openttd 16:05:18 <Belugas> if you mean by that the big patch, then no 16:08:33 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 16:08:58 <SmatZ> hello 16:10:23 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 16:10:28 <Sacro> is it me you're looking for 16:13:41 <kbrooks> Sacro, who, me? 16:13:56 <kbrooks> Belugas, will aany nxext series have that? 16:15:40 <Belugas> doubtbfull 16:16:16 <Sacro> kbrooks: no, SmatZ, i was singing 16:16:34 <kbrooks> Belugas, why? 16:16:42 <SmatZ> Sacro: hello 16:16:55 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 16:16:55 <SmatZ> !logs 16:17:26 *** erikv [~erik@kotnet-144.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has left #openttd [] 16:17:28 <Belugas> kbrooks: we have our reasons 16:17:56 <kbrooks> Belugas, so u r saying i cant question them? :( 16:18:33 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:20:15 <SmatZ> what are they good for? 16:20:25 <Belugas> no, i mean i don't want to discuss them again 16:27:43 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:27:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:31:24 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:31:38 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:35:57 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-21-117.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:12 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-21-117.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:36 *** Draagon [~chatzilla@88-196-108-152-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 16:36:47 <Draagon> hello 16:36:55 <SmatZ> hello Draagon 16:37:45 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:45 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 16:38:34 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 16:38:36 <BiA|pavel-css> hi 16:39:31 <SmatZ> hello BiA|pavel-css 16:49:11 <Bjarni> hi BiA|pavel-css 16:49:19 <Bjarni> BiA|pavel-css: did you bring your sanity? 16:51:16 <BiA|pavel-css> why? :) 16:51:31 <BiA|pavel-css> i have never needed that :) 16:51:47 <Bjarni> sanity is in short supply on IRC. Many people join with one and leaves without one 16:51:52 <Bjarni> I think they get stolen 16:52:01 <Bjarni> so you might want to keep an eye on yours 16:52:26 <Bjarni> it's a crime you can't get caught on doing 16:52:28 <Bjarni> think about it 16:52:54 <Bjarni> some guy walking in to a police station to report somebody name gaffa-monkey stole his sanity 16:53:12 <Bjarni> the Police would look at him and ask "you mean a monkey stole your sanity?" 16:53:27 <Bjarni> and then somebody gets locked up, but not the thief 16:53:36 <BiA|pavel-css> :) 16:53:43 <Bjarni> that's why you should leave it at home 16:53:54 * LordAzamath is currently stealing Bjarni's sanity 16:54:00 <BiA|pavel-css> consider it as done 16:54:09 * LordAzamath founds out it's already gone 16:54:18 <Bjarni> I'm hiding it well 16:54:21 <Bjarni> offline 16:56:58 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Quit: i'll be back] 16:59:08 <Sacro> http://www.1chan.net/rail/src/1197252669285.jpg 16:59:12 * Sacro prods Bjarni 17:00:19 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 17:00:31 <Bjarni> USA has less rail security than we do 17:00:37 <Bjarni> it's still safer than the roads though 17:00:46 <Bjarni> besides who was hurt? 17:01:06 <Bjarni> max two railroad workers, one locomotive and a container 17:01:34 <SmatZ> poor loco :-/ 17:01:52 <ln-> Bjarni: there's a regular ICE connection to KÞbenhavn? 17:02:01 <Bjarni> yeah 17:02:06 <Bjarni> started a few days ago 17:02:13 <Bjarni> they are using ICE-TD 17:02:48 <Bjarni> since the Germans didn't want to use a train with that reliability for intercity traffic in their own country 17:02:58 <ln-> i've been listening/watching german news as podcasts on iTunes lately... 17:03:07 <Bjarni> why? :) 17:03:49 <ln-> to get used to listening to it again.. 17:04:06 <ln-> to germany on friday 17:05:07 <Bjarni> why? :) 17:07:07 <ln-> for fun, and because it's cheap 17:07:14 <ln-> flights 35⬠17:07:14 *** Draagon [~chatzilla@88-196-108-152-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has left #openttd [] 17:09:01 <ln-> ~260 danish coins 17:10:48 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-209-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:05 <Bjarni> could be cheap 17:11:08 <Bjarni> could be expensive 17:11:18 <Bjarni> depends on which type of coins :P 17:12:11 <ln-> ones with your emperor's portrait on one side. 17:12:26 <hylje> the danish emperor 17:12:31 <Bjarni> emperor? 17:12:41 <Bjarni> he isn't on any coins yet 17:13:06 <ln-> that will complicate paying the flight with such coins then. 17:13:24 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 17:13:48 *** rel [~rel@user-5af2370c.tcl111.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:14:23 <Bjarni> I can't find anything on the net about ICE in Denmark 17:14:44 <ln-> Bjarni: use iTunes 17:14:57 <rel> hi there 17:15:14 <rel> people here like TTD yeh? 17:15:19 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:20 <Bjarni> ln-: do you know which date they started driving? 17:16:36 *** rel [~rel@user-5af2370c.tcl111.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [] 17:16:47 <ln-> rel: we all hate it and play tic-tac-toe instead all the time. 17:17:42 <Bjarni> we have a language problem here 17:18:03 <Bjarni> because we usually call it paper-scissors-stone 17:18:04 <ln-> Bjarni: they talked about new schedules being/having been introduced right now, and had a map with copenhagen on it. i don't remember a specific date. 17:18:51 <Bjarni> then I only have one choice 17:18:54 <Bjarni> "get all" 17:18:58 <Bjarni> this could take a while 17:19:57 <ln-> Bjarni: it was on ... ARD tagessomething, dated no earlier than ~8th Dec. 17:20:32 <Bjarni> I saw it on the news here so I'm downloading the news 17:20:46 <Bjarni> they had an interview with a DB manager something from Berlin 17:20:49 <Bjarni> ... in Danish 17:21:21 <Bjarni> reminds me of when we had an exhibition of bullet trains in Copenhagen 17:21:38 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5C72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:21:47 <skidd13> Hi folks 17:21:47 <Bjarni> they really wanted to get some in Denmark so they invited a lot of them to convince people to support the idea 17:21:51 <Bjarni> hi skidd13 17:22:03 <Bjarni> so I saw an ICE 17:22:12 <Bjarni> there was a driver talking about it in Danish 17:22:18 <Bjarni> I guess they didn't just pick a random driver 17:22:44 <Bjarni> the TGV driver had a hard time saying anything in English... sounded like he only wanted to speak French 17:23:12 <Bjarni> There was no language issues in X2000 (naturally) 17:23:48 <Bjarni> and that Italian thing... they said something in the speaker that nobody understood and then the doors closed, locking us inside 17:24:04 <Bjarni> then they demonstrated the tilting ability 17:24:05 <Bjarni> >_< 17:24:52 <ln-> Pendolino 17:24:59 <Bjarni> funny part is that the car crew was taken by surprise so all their brochures and stuff ended up all over the floor 17:25:03 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:25:53 <Bjarni> we couldn't talk with the car crew... sounded like they only knew Italian 17:26:19 <ln-> that ought to be enough, everyone speaks italian, you know 17:26:35 <Bjarni> yeah 17:26:40 <Bjarni> except the visitors 17:28:00 <ln-> gelato, per favore. 17:28:06 <Bjarni> you know if we should have a bullet train in Denmark I say we should have X2000 17:28:20 <Bjarni> it's already well tested and can already drive in Denmark 17:28:29 <Bjarni> and fits the rails in Denmark 17:28:58 <Bjarni> and what did they do? they decided on ICE-TD, the train the Germans discarded >_< 17:29:22 <ln-> i was able to found an ICE conncetion à rhus-Berlin, but that's not quite CÞpenhavn 17:31:20 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:32:09 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-133-71-38.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:32:17 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-209-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:12 <Bjarni> it's on the route Copenhagen-RÞdby-Puttgarten-Hamburg(joins with the train from à rhus)-Berlin 17:33:34 <Bjarni> at least that's was the plan not long ago 17:34:24 <Bjarni> btw the route between à rhus and Hamburg has very few stops 17:34:40 <Bjarni> it turned out that the platforms doesn't fit ICE standard 17:34:50 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@86.156.23.245] has joined #openttd 17:36:07 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:36:38 <Bjarni> ln-: http://www.bane.dk/visRute.asp?W=FJRN&TogNr=35&artikelId=4276 17:36:43 <Bjarni> this one just arrived 17:36:59 <Bjarni> it doesn't tell that it's ICE though but I know the routes so it has to be ;) 17:38:29 <ln-> how do they get it from Puttgarden to RÞdby? 17:38:35 <Bjarni> ferry 17:38:54 <ln-> does it fit on a ferry, and didn't you say trains are not carried on ferries anymore? 17:39:31 <Bjarni> RÞdby and Frederikshavn are the only two harbours where the trains comes on board ferries that's still in use 17:40:25 <Bjarni> within the last 10-20 years HelsingÞr, KorsÞr, Nyborg and Gedser has been closed for rail ferry traffic 17:40:57 * Bjarni considers it a mistake to remove the rails at the crossing at HelsingÞr-Helsingborg 17:41:15 <Digitalfox> Here comes a ghost http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1531 ;) 17:41:38 <Bjarni> it wouldn't have been really expensive to just not remove the tracks. Today it's just vacant space o_O 17:45:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11618 /trunk/src/ (openttd.cpp order_cmd.cpp order_gui.cpp): -Fix: buoys are just waypoints, so don't allow load/unload/transfert for them 17:48:03 <hylje> o well 17:48:15 <hylje> im in the process of learning how to port stuff to linux 17:49:10 * Maedhros wonders why Addi's smooth snow transition newgrf doesn't work properly for him 17:50:36 <Maedhros> is anyone here using it? ( http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=34742 ) 17:53:19 <Bjarni> hylje: that's not needed 17:53:25 <Bjarni> OpenTTD is already ported 17:53:30 * Belugas checks snow stuff 17:54:01 <hylje> >:) 17:54:17 <hylje> maybe not fot ottd! 17:54:42 <Bjarni> maybe not fallout tactics ottd??? 17:55:04 <hylje> :o ! 17:56:04 <Bjarni> maybe I shouldn't have said that 17:56:11 <Bjarni> now somebody will make a fallout grf 17:56:39 <Belugas> works for me, Maedhros 17:57:25 <Belugas> well.. at least in arctic ;) 17:58:20 <Maedhros> ooh, how odd. it looks like this here: http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/snow.png 17:58:42 <Maedhros> Belugas: thanks for checking :) 17:59:07 <hylje> looks like its a bit off sync 18:01:07 <Belugas> http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/MySnow.png 18:01:28 <hylje> how do rails look 18:01:35 <Maedhros> hmm. looks like i'll have to find a dos ttdpatch user to ask :) 18:03:02 <Maedhros> actually, the windows and dos grf downloads are different sizes 18:03:05 * Maedhros smells a rat 18:03:33 <glx> hmm in theory they should have a similar size 18:04:33 <DaleStan> "similar", yes, but IME rarely the same. 18:06:50 <fjb> Hm, it is working for me: http://www.myimg.de/?img=ArcticExpress12Nov19469d8d.png 18:06:54 <Maedhros> in this case the dos grf has fewer sprites and quite different nfo, apparently... 18:07:10 <Belugas> LordAzamath, thanks to you, i have spent my whole lunch hour trying to spot where the hell is the code responsible for your damned FS1530 >:( 18:07:17 <Belugas> "And I still haven't found what i'm looking for" 18:07:53 <DaleStan> From a couple quick checks of files I happen to have on hand, the sizes vary by a couple tenths of a percent. But fewer sprites is a different issue. 18:09:51 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-201.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:10:15 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:10:51 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:13:44 <LordAzamath> sry :D 18:15:49 *** blathijs_ is now known as blathijs 18:16:38 * Maedhros stabs his broadband modem 18:16:57 <Maedhros> every now and again it decides it doesn't like http packets any more 18:18:06 <AntB> you guys aware that the arrow keys still function to move the view when the chat window is open? 18:18:36 <Belugas> cool 18:18:41 <Belugas> is that a problem? 18:19:07 <AntB> is for me :) 18:19:15 <ln-> my first thought is that it would be a problem if they didn't 18:19:30 <AntB> well i'm usually a bit slow when it comes to finding bugs 18:19:36 <Belugas> AntB, why? 18:19:59 <Belugas> why problem.. not why bugs... 18:20:10 <AntB> I make a lot of typos and use the arrow keys to help correct them instead of deleting everything 18:20:43 <LordAzamath> same here 18:20:56 <fjb> It helps you learn to make fewer typos. :-) 18:20:59 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 18:22:05 * LordAzamath is afraid Belugas is now hungry, because he searhed for a bug sooo long 18:22:21 <Belugas> me? noo.... 18:22:24 <Belugas> http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/GimmeMore.jpg 18:22:28 <Belugas> not anymore :D 18:22:54 <LordAzamath> have seen that pic somewhere...Oh yea yesterday :D 18:22:58 <BiA|pavel-css> :) 18:24:09 <Belugas> i'm so in love with it :D 18:24:58 <LordAzamath> that's good 18:25:23 <LordAzamath> hmm....I just had a thought... 18:25:52 <LordAzamath> what do you guys think of setting up a server....where devs play and we watch and laugh... 18:26:17 <LordAzamath> I haven't seen a dev playing...ever 18:26:37 <LordAzamath> I suppose they test it..but play? 18:27:32 <BiA|pavel-css> tahts why usefull patches arent in :) 18:27:35 <BiA|pavel-css> *thats 18:27:40 <Belugas> play??? what's that????? 18:27:59 <LordAzamath> it's like...play the piano 18:28:09 <LordAzamath> or play TTDP 18:28:11 <LordAzamath> .. 18:28:11 <Sacro> i've seen devs playing 18:28:15 <Sacro> played with err... 18:28:17 * Belugas plays guitar 18:28:19 <Sacro> peter1138 before 18:28:28 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-133-71-38.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:28:29 <Sacro> actually 18:28:35 <Belugas> but really playing?? been really a while 18:28:36 <Sacro> didn't we have a dev playing night a while back? 18:28:43 <Belugas> too many birds to feed :D 18:28:49 <LordAzamath> :D 18:28:50 <Sacro> Belugas: Brianetta's Nightly days :( 18:28:57 <Sacro> we had RichK too 18:29:05 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-145-215-69.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:29:08 <Rubidium> the GOTs ;) 18:29:22 <Rubidium> or GODs, whatever you like more ;) 18:29:51 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-180-175.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:29:53 <LordAzamath> I just remembered a post where Belugas was suprised that Bank is an industry...or something like that,,, 18:32:23 <Belugas> true 18:32:26 <Belugas> forgot 18:33:43 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-180-175.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 18:33:59 <Belugas> i have about between one and two hours, 3 days a week to do some deving, so, of course, gaming is kinda out of the scope for me 18:34:58 <LordAzamath> doesn't it get boring? I mean you only develop, but you can't play the game you fevelop yourself... 18:35:04 <LordAzamath> develop* 18:35:09 <Belugas> not really 18:35:20 <Digitalfox> Damn just had a " Delayed Write Failed " in my log and my server was down .... Oh no all my downloads are corrupted .. o_O 18:35:52 <Belugas> i mean... it's fun to see the result of your work been used and that it works, actually 18:36:08 <Belugas> so, let say i'm having a different kind of fun than you :) 18:36:15 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 18:37:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: "Mit dem Fahrplanwechsel am 9. Dezember sollen die Diesel-ICEs auf den Strecken "Hamburg â Flensburg â Arhus" und "(Berlin â) Hamburg â LÃŒbeck â Puttgarden â Kopenhagen" den Fernverkehr aufwerten. Bis 2015 sei mit einem Fahrgastanstieg von 30 Prozent zu rechnen." 18:38:18 <Belugas> On the other hand, LordAzamath, i have to admit that i hate debugging, 'cause it stops whatever i was doing... 18:38:45 <Belugas> unless i have nothing more to do, of course... 18:39:36 * LordAzamath looks around whistling 18:40:27 <Belugas> ;) 18:40:31 <Digitalfox> Could someone recomend me a good IRC client? 18:40:37 <mikegrb> irssi 18:40:44 <BiA|pavel-css> is here any way that i compile OTTD fast just for testing purposes? because waiting 15-30mins to get annoing error ... :X 18:40:57 <BiA|pavel-css> Digitalfox: mIRC ;) 18:41:43 <Digitalfox> BiA|pavel-css: I use chatzilla witch for me is far better than mirc, the problem is that is a firefox extensions and hangs when firefox hangs :( 18:42:22 <BiA|pavel-css> i use mozzila too :) 18:42:24 <LordAzamath> hmm...when did my firefox hang.....dunno now 18:42:27 * glx is a kvirc user 18:42:38 <Rubidium> BiA|pavel-css: what compiler? 18:42:39 <Belugas> and... mIRC for me 18:42:51 <Belugas> but... it's the first one i've tried and that worked 18:42:53 <LordAzamath> kopete 18:43:47 <Belugas> BiA|pavel-css, MSVC could be a solution for you. It works for me, at least. And with smaller (by fatr) compile time 18:43:58 <Belugas> and my machine is not really a racing car either 18:43:59 <glx> only for debug builds :) 18:44:05 <Belugas> true 18:44:13 <Belugas> which is what i always do :) 18:44:14 <BiA|pavel-css> i cant compile OTTD at MSVC :( 18:44:28 <Belugas> t0o bad :( 18:44:30 <glx> why? 18:44:30 <Belugas> too 18:44:41 <Digitalfox> LordAzamath: Well my firefix is hanging with java sites :( I'm reading stuff about the same issue with other users, but it seems hard to detect the problem :| 18:44:41 <BiA|pavel-css> its givving me some error during compiling 18:45:00 <fjb> What abput konversation or xchat? 18:45:01 <glx> you followed the wiki? 18:45:04 <BiA|pavel-css> yeah 18:45:17 <glx> and installed all required stuff? 18:45:20 <BiA|pavel-css> y 18:45:36 <BiA|pavel-css> but i am 100% sure that I did something wrong 18:46:29 <glx> what kind of errors do you get? 18:46:53 * BiA|pavel-css is gonna try it 18:47:27 <BiA|pavel-css> but if i remember right compile just debug version works 18:49:24 <Digitalfox> Now i know why glx uses this IRC client http://kvirc.virg0.org/themes/theme_erotica_th.gif :) 18:49:41 <glx> no theme at all 18:50:18 <Digitalfox> yeah right glx ;) I'n going to test it for a while seems nice :) 18:50:38 <BiA|pavel-css> heh current trunk (11618) and: C:\Downloads\Ottd\nb\src\newgrf_gui.cpp(148): error C2220: warning treated as error - no object file generated 18:51:07 <Rubidium> have you changed that file yourself? 18:51:13 <Rubidium> and what's the warning? 18:51:15 <BiA|pavel-css> no, clear trunk 18:51:22 <BiA|pavel-css> C:\Downloads\Ottd\nb\src\newgrf_gui.cpp(148): warning C4018: '<' : signed/unsigned mismatch 18:51:42 <Belugas> shit... i have not fixed that one yet... 18:51:54 <glx> didn't fix it either ;) 18:51:58 <Belugas> lol 18:52:09 <glx> I saw it but it is not a problem with 2005 ;) 18:52:22 <BiA|pavel-css> <- .NET 2003 18:52:26 <Rubidium> BiA|pavel-css: what if you remove the 'u' on line 134 of the same file? 18:52:46 <Belugas> neither for me. I wrote someting, was not pleased, but had other stuff and forgot ;) 18:52:51 * Rubidium slaps KUDr for disabling the error on warning for VC2005 18:53:06 <BiA|pavel-css> so int n = 0;? 18:53:13 <glx> Rubidium: warning gone with that 18:53:17 <glx> yes BiA|pavel-css 18:53:35 <BiA|pavel-css> linking ... 18:53:41 <glx> that's good :) 18:53:48 <BiA|pavel-css> you should fix that :) 18:58:26 <Belugas> "please" 18:58:30 <Belugas> pfffff... 19:01:37 * SpComb trolls Sacro 19:01:50 * hylje supports SpComb's efforts 19:02:09 <SpComb> can't talk about it until Sacro leaves 19:02:26 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [Leaving] 19:02:30 <SpComb> yay 19:04:15 <SpComb> gah, if we don't talk enough, he'll get bored reading the logs and come back :( 19:04:26 <hylje> :o 19:04:39 <hylje> how does our talking affect that 19:04:59 <Belugas> beware of the !logs ... 19:05:35 <hylje> i believe SpComb could .. tamper with them 19:05:47 <SpComb> me? Tamper with the logs? Never! 19:05:58 <SpComb> besides, they're stored on tamper-evident write-only media 19:07:38 <ln-> can i expect department stores to be open next sunday in Germany? 19:08:14 <SpComb> ask ask.com 19:08:30 <hylje> redundant 19:08:38 <SpComb> I was thinking the same 19:08:40 <SpComb> google google.com 19:10:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11619 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1531]: do not make crossing red behind depot the train is entering 19:11:38 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5C72.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt] 19:13:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:13:47 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 19:16:51 <BiA|pavel-css> so, here comes my error :) 19:16:58 <BiA|pavel-css> c:\downloads\ottd\nb\src\command.h(282): fatal error C1001: INTERNAL COMPILER ERROR (compiler file 'f:\vs70builds77\vc\Compiler\Utc\src\P2\main.c', line 148) 19:16:58 <BiA|pavel-css> openttd fatal error LNK1257: code generation failed 19:17:51 <Rubidium> :O nice one 19:17:57 <Maedhros> ooh, openttd managed to break msvc? awesome 19:18:27 <BiA|pavel-css> Maedhros: i broke it and msvs found that :D 19:20:45 <BiA|pavel-css> well, any idea how fix this? :P 19:20:56 <Rubidium> installing MSVC2005 express? 19:21:37 <BiA|pavel-css> hehe 19:21:58 <BiA|pavel-css> what about 2008? :P 19:22:16 <Rubidium> I've got no idea whether it works 19:29:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-151-180.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:29:56 <Belugas> try 2005 first ;) 19:30:17 <Belugas> but i think BigBB made it so that it actually works (2008) 19:31:35 <BiA|pavel-css> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_2008_Express_Editions 19:31:42 <BiA|pavel-css> due to this i think it is possible 19:35:17 <BiA|pavel-css> Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 RTM - what's RTM? 19:35:26 <BiA|pavel-css> Read The Manual? :D 19:36:04 <Rubidium> release to manufacturer? 19:36:11 <SmatZ> :-D 19:36:14 <Gonozal_VIII> no, that would miss the F then 19:36:32 <BiA|pavel-css> Gonozal_VIII: it's MS, they can't swear :P 19:36:45 <Rubidium> on the other hand, read the manual would be nice to, because they don't have 'fine' manuals ;) 19:37:14 <BiA|pavel-css> Rubidium: ty :) but ... just to make sure, it's not final version? 19:37:32 <Rubidium> what's final? 19:37:43 <BiA|pavel-css> 0.5.3 :) 19:38:28 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-117-122.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:38:31 <Rubidium> Microsoft knowing you are always working with alphas and/or betas 19:38:58 <BiA|pavel-css> hmm :) 19:38:58 * Rubidium today totally trashed a system by just running Windows update... 19:39:19 <Rubidium> had to revert to manually removing files and register entries before it became useful again 19:39:25 <BiA|pavel-css> omg, it have 3.31GB ... 19:39:32 <Rubidium> that's nothing 19:39:41 <Rubidium> Vista SP1 required 12 GB IIRC 19:39:43 * BiA|pavel-css 's deleting some porn to make free space 19:39:50 <SmatZ> :-D 19:39:50 <Prof_Frink> Noooo! 19:39:56 <Rubidium> s/required/will require/ 19:40:10 <BiA|pavel-css> hehe 19:40:39 <Bjarni> * BiA|pavel-css 's deleting some porn to make free space <-- I know an easier way 19:40:47 <Bjarni> not downloading porn in the first place 19:40:52 <Prof_Frink> What's the point in having a computer if you have to delete your porn to install stuff? 19:40:57 <BiA|pavel-css> :D 19:41:14 <Bjarni> btw the thing that gets pirated the most on the internet is porn yet we always hear about music for some reason 19:41:24 * AntB wishes he hadn't poked his head in at that poitn 19:41:36 <AntB> (told you about typos) 19:41:37 <BiA|pavel-css> i am deleting that i have 2+ years :oP not the new one 19:41:52 <BiA|pavel-css> oh, i could burn them! 19:41:53 <Bjarni> new one? 19:42:04 <Bjarni> you mean you keep on pirating stuff? 19:42:04 * BiA|pavel-css is preparing some CDs/DVDs 19:42:11 <SmatZ> lol 19:42:11 <Bjarni> even though it's boring.... 19:42:29 <BiA|pavel-css> not for me atm :o) 19:42:34 <SmatZ> Bjarni: depends what laws you have... it is not illegal to download 19:42:45 <SmatZ> *except software 19:42:57 <Bjarni> BiA|pavel-css: ohh... you are saving it for your children so you can avoid "the talk" 19:43:05 <SmatZ> lol 19:43:05 <BiA|pavel-css> :D 19:43:12 <Bjarni> I'm not sure that I see the wise part of that plan 19:43:26 <Rubidium> SmatZ: for software it depends on the laws too... in the NL it is actually legal to download any software 19:43:45 <SmatZ> Rubidium: download and use? or just download 19:43:48 * BiA|pavel-css is thinking about moving to NL :) 19:43:56 <SmatZ> maybe I should try living in the NL 19:44:00 <BiA|pavel-css> :) 19:44:03 * SmatZ agrees with BiA|pavel-css :-D 19:44:16 <Bjarni> there is a bad thing about NL 19:44:20 <Rubidium> ofcourse downloading it with for example bittorrent is illegal 19:44:23 <BiA|pavel-css> SmatZ: hello neighbour :) 19:44:27 <Bjarni> they legalised cannabis :( 19:44:29 <SmatZ> :-) 19:44:44 <BiA|pavel-css> Rubidium: you must use http or what? :) 19:44:56 <SmatZ> Bjarni: I don't think it is bad... though I do not smoke 19:45:02 <Rubidium> bittorrent means you are uploading it again, which is illegal 19:45:10 <Bjarni> I think you aren't allowed to upload 19:45:15 <Bjarni> yeah... see :) 19:45:16 <BiA|pavel-css> if your NAT bloack upload? :) 19:45:25 <BiA|pavel-css> *block 19:45:38 <Rubidium> then you need to change the bittorrent binaries too 19:45:38 <Bjarni> you have to do something a bit more clever than a NAT though 19:45:47 <BiA|pavel-css> or kerio or sth 19:46:09 <BiA|pavel-css> Bjarni: like tell friend to download it? :D 19:46:13 <Rubidium> 'cause AFAIK it also uploads over the connections you make with peers 19:46:46 <SmatZ> I doubt authorities will try to find you when they find you uploaded 9MB of one file... there are much easier places to find uploades, networks like DirectConnect 19:46:55 <Bjarni> I think they work as hard as possible on getting the most out of your computer, not into it 19:47:19 <Rubidium> SmatZ: the 'punishment' seems to be invertly related to the amount of uploading you did 19:47:36 <Bjarni> so even if you firewall it and NAT it and stuff it will still upload 19:47:41 <SmatZ> Rubidium: there there is something wrong 19:48:08 * BiA|pavel-css don't care 19:48:10 <Rubidium> the 'little' fish do usually not have enough money and such to pay for lawyers (at least in the US) 19:48:25 * BiA|pavel-css is hapy with his 'stuff' for future generation 19:48:27 <SmatZ> but I agree... people who use pirated software are the worts enemies of open software 19:48:56 <SmatZ> like people who use pirated MS Word spread MS Word documents everywhere... you know, I do not have to explain... 19:49:22 <Gonozal_VIII> that's why ms doesn't do anything about it 19:49:47 <Bjarni> hehe 19:50:13 <Gonozal_VIII> i even save the documents i make in openoffice as word documents 19:50:23 <BiA|pavel-css> :) 19:50:43 <SmatZ> :-( 19:50:46 <Rubidium> I've heard that the cheapest way to get a legal version of Windows is installing an illegal version and then getting the license from Microsoft 19:50:54 <Rubidium> via the WGA 'crap' 19:51:17 <Bjarni> I know a cheaper way 19:51:20 <SmatZ> :) 19:51:25 <Bjarni> MS gave it for free to students 19:51:36 <Bjarni> that has to be the cheapest way 19:51:43 <Maedhros> hah. not here, they don't 19:51:49 <SmatZ> yes... we have access to most of MS (and not only MS) software for free 19:51:51 <Gonozal_VIII> here too 19:51:53 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 19:52:08 <LordAzamath> the cheapest way will be far in future, when they pay you for having M$ 19:52:13 <SmatZ> and "student versions" cost much less, too ... if you are at Uni where MS doesn't give it for free :) 19:52:19 <oh> the password dialog doesn't seem to set an actual password 19:52:23 <oh> in b2 19:52:35 <Bjarni> we just had to log in using our student account and then we could download whatever we want (iso files) and they will mail us the serial number 19:53:03 <Bjarni> I didn't get a student version 19:53:04 <Rubidium> Bjarni: that's lame ;) 19:53:08 <BiA|pavel-css> hehe :) 19:53:16 <Bjarni> they gave me full XP pro 19:53:16 <Rubidium> why the delay of the email system? 19:53:30 <Rubidium> 19:53:31 <Bjarni> maybe they printed it on the screen 19:53:36 <Bjarni> I can't remember 19:53:42 <Bjarni> but it wasn't included in the download 19:54:06 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54:28 * BiA|pavel-css is getting student version of MSVS 2008 atm 19:54:31 <Bjarni> an empty line and then his connection died 19:55:18 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:18 <Gonozal_VIII> i saw a square in that line 19:55:18 <SmatZ> maybe he was running Windows 19:55:28 <Maedhros> hmm. by the looks of it i can get Windows Vista Upgrade for 62.28 pounds while being a student... 19:56:29 <Gonozal_VIII> vista sucks anyways 19:56:32 <Bjarni> btw here is the funny thing: we need to use a windows app to download the free stuff 19:56:51 <Bjarni> so you have to have windows to download windows 19:56:58 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 19:57:32 <BiA|pavel-css> ;) 19:57:52 <Bjarni> I can't even remember how I got it 19:58:05 <Bjarni> I mean I used it to make the computer dualbootable 19:58:12 <Bjarni> I didn't have windows before that 19:58:15 <hylje> i believe one can use wine 19:58:16 <blathijs> Bjarni: We have the same thing in Enschede 19:58:42 <Gonozal_VIII> in my oppinion they don't care about/support pirating 19:58:47 <BiA|pavel-css> just 560MB in rar? 19:58:48 <Bjarni> hylje: no... it was an MS app and for once the app actually did it job 19:58:50 <blathijs> Bjarni: Only our study association uses the windows app to download the iso's, which we then make available through our own handcrafted Apache + php + mysql system :-p 19:58:51 <BiA|pavel-css> omg :/ 19:58:57 <Bjarni> including verification that it ran on windows 19:59:13 <BiA|pavel-css> just 560MB XP pro with SP2 in rar :o 19:59:40 <Gonozal_VIII> i have the FCKGW-... serial here, they could easily see that i don't have a dell pc and disable it... but i even get all updates from them 20:00:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11620 /trunk/ (readme.txt src/misc_gui.cpp): -Change: Some are going, some are coming, some we do not know exactly. Little update on the OpenTTD Team 20:00:54 * Rubidium still knows the Win98 serial... 20:01:06 <Rubidium> have had to reinstall that one way too often ;) 20:01:28 <Gonozal_VIII> same here with the fckgw stuff^^ 20:01:49 <Rubidium> but that serial doesn't 'work' anymore, mine still does as it is a legal one 20:01:52 <BiA|pavel-css> from radme.txt ... "Zdenek" it should be "ZdenÄk" right SmatZ? :P 20:02:03 <Gonozal_VIII> sure it works 20:02:13 <Bjarni> we have a radme.txt? 20:02:18 <BiA|pavel-css> readme 20:02:27 <Prof_Frink> README 20:02:30 <Bjarni> radiate me sounds like more fun :P 20:02:33 <SmatZ> BiA|pavel-css: well, yes :) 20:02:51 <Rubidium> donotreadme.txt 20:03:09 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-25-213.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:03:11 <Prof_Frink> readme.txt.gz 20:03:12 <BiA|pavel-css> Rubidium: consider it done ;) 20:03:24 <Bjarni> or not done 20:03:27 <Gonozal_VIII> readme.txt.exe 20:03:37 <Bjarni> hehe 20:03:40 <Rubidium> readme.tex 20:03:43 <Prof_Frink> readme.docx 20:03:49 <Bjarni> I like the .exe one 20:04:01 <Rubidium> readme.dmg? 20:04:01 <Bjarni> we should distribute it and see what people replies 20:04:08 <Gonozal_VIII> there is some program that stores images as exe files :S 20:04:11 <SmatZ> lol @ Gonozal_VIII 20:04:17 <BiA|pavel-css> runme.exe or waht? :D 20:04:32 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: make readme.txt.exe detrojan the openttd.exe 20:05:02 <SmatZ> openttd.txt.exe :) 20:05:03 <Prof_Frink> So that people who don't readme get pwned 20:05:13 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 20:05:51 <Bjarni> maybe trojan is a bad move as it could include legal issues 20:06:04 <Rubidium> it reminds me of http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/23/2315211 20:06:07 <Gonozal_VIII> make it reopen the readme until you clicked a button at the end of every single word 20:06:26 <Bjarni> just add a thread that will suck up all the CPU time and the readme can remove that one 20:06:44 <Prof_Frink> Have manual-based copy protection, like old DOS games 20:06:52 <SmatZ> Rubidium: :-D 20:07:13 <Prof_Frink> "What is word 6 of line 12 of section 4.1 of the readme?" 20:07:28 <Rubidium> there's no such section 20:07:42 <Prof_Frink> Was hypomathetical 20:08:01 <Rubidium> lol ;) I was even right 20:08:04 <Gonozal_VIII> so that one can see if an app is spyware if it is buried in the EULA. <-- O_o "this is spyware" in the eula? 20:08:12 <BiA|pavel-css> hehe :D 20:08:45 <Bjarni> I once told a guy how to install the ttd files in OTTD for OSX and said that the readme told that and he replied "do you expect me to read the readme for OpenTTD???" 20:08:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.8.236.42] has joined #openttd 20:09:01 <ben_goodger> :D 20:09:18 * Prof_Frink really should look at the quake2-data package and modify for openttd usage 20:09:23 <Wolf01> hello 20:09:27 <BiA|pavel-css> ello 20:09:37 * Bjarni starts a fox fire 20:09:43 <Gonozal_VIII> "What is word 6 of line 12 of section 4.1 of the readme?" <-- black gold :D 20:09:45 <Bjarni> might work on wolves as well 20:09:49 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: 'read' it differently... if an application that 'seems' to be spyware declares in their EULA that they send that data it is not spyware as it you 'know' that as you have 'read' and 'agreed' with the EULA. 20:10:31 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm 20:10:47 <Bjarni> remember sony music? Their EULA said that by accepting you would accept software to be installed on your computer and that it would stay there until removed 20:10:58 <Bjarni> it didn't mention that the uninstaller didn't remove everything 20:11:22 <Gonozal_VIII> "if you accept this, we will steal your stuffz and kill your cat" 20:11:50 <Maedhros> i didn't think you had a choice about installing the sony rootkit though - i thought it installed itself due to the magic of autorun... 20:13:05 <SmatZ> I think most countries have laws that no agreement can be used to shorten one's basic rights 20:13:16 <Bjarni> at once time the EULA on a compiler stated that you were not allowed to have more than one compiler on your computer 20:13:42 <BiA|pavel-css> O_o 20:13:48 <Bjarni> so if you didn't read it you could easily be pirating software you paid for 20:13:54 <BiA|pavel-css> <- cygwin,msvs,buildottd,zend an so on 20:14:02 <hylje> yarrrr 20:14:03 <Bjarni> since you were not allowed to install it on the computer in question 20:14:39 <Maedhros> sounds a little bit like GAUSSIAN - you can lose your licence if someone else who uses your computer is working on a competing program 20:14:48 <Bjarni> BiA|pavel-css: those are open source compilers... a company selling a closed source compiler don't want you to use open source or other closed source compilers 20:15:14 <BiA|pavel-css> msvs and zend is open source? :P 20:15:25 <Bjarni> err 20:15:37 <Bjarni> still they didn't earn money on those 20:18:45 <ben_goodger> unfortunately, calling it an end-user license agreement instead of a copyright license means that it falls under contract law in most jurisdictions 20:19:43 <ben_goodger> microsoft could theoretically sue you for breach of contract in the event that you fail to stand upside down while using the software after next week's security patches (since you have already agreed to have the EULA changed on anything on the system when installing "security" updates) 20:20:59 <BiA|pavel-css> SmatZ: can you see what i see on tycoonez? 20:21:06 <BiA|pavel-css> i eman that crazy guy 20:22:42 <SmatZ> BiA|pavel-css: who is it? 20:22:57 <BiA|pavel-css> i dont know, but kicked next time will get ban :P 20:23:07 <SmatZ> :-x 20:24:10 <Prof_Frink> ben_goodger: AIUI putting it under contract law makes it count for sweet FA in t'UK 20:25:07 <ben_goodger> indeed so :) 20:27:43 <Prof_Frink> Of course, never booting into V**** on your new PC makes it completely irrelevent 20:28:06 *** spaceinvader is now known as ^ 20:28:07 <ben_goodger> if only 20:28:11 *** ^ is now known as spaceinvader 20:28:40 <ben_goodger> oh, you meant vista. 20:28:48 <ben_goodger> I've never encountered anyone sane who liked it 20:28:50 <Gonozal_VIII> baaaah vista sucks 20:29:12 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't even want that for free 20:29:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11621 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1525]: there were still some cases where one could not build a tram track, but the tram could become blocked. 20:29:19 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 20:29:21 <Prof_Frink> My thinkpad came with Vista 'cause it was eighty quid cheaper than the same box with XPPro 20:29:50 <Prof_Frink> I was very careful and made sure it was set to boot from the kubuntu CD instead of the HDD 20:30:09 <Gonozal_VIII> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11621 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1525]: there were still some cases where one could not build a tram track, but the tram could become blocked. <-- map edge? 20:32:39 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm they turn there 20:32:52 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:35:26 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-25-213.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:45:00 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:42 *** AntB is now known as Guest943 20:49:46 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@86.156.23.245] has joined #openttd 20:52:33 *** Guest943 [~AntB-UK@86.156.23.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:01 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i59F7E3FE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:58:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> "wenn griechen ÃŒber griechen kriechen kriegen griechen kleine griechen" 20:59:01 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 20:59:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> (playing on the interchangability of g/k and g/ch in some dialects) 21:00:09 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-117-122.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 21:00:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B47BA.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:25 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 21:05:59 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-117-122.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:10:05 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-145-215-69.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:10:58 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:49 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 21:25:05 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 21:26:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11622 /trunk/src/newgrf_text.cpp: -Codechange: support the unicode version of the 'control' characters. 21:26:07 <BiA|pavel-css> gn 21:27:28 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-117-122.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:32 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 21:27:55 *** Farden [~jk3farden@workstation.freenull.net] has joined #openttd 21:31:55 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, can you give a sneak-preview on what you're working currently on? 21:33:47 <Wolf01> sorry, i have nothing yet 21:38:23 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6379.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:40:49 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:44:59 <oh> dman banks and their ability to pop up in front of your mainline in the middle of nowhere ;> 21:46:56 *** ypahnu [~me@89-109-104-122.cpe.netmadeira.com] has joined #openttd 21:47:17 <ypahnu> hi all .. i wondering how hard is to make more industries ?! 21:47:43 <ypahnu> more products, and a bigger , product tree ? 21:48:21 <Gonozal_VIII> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ECSVectors 21:49:55 <ypahnu> so i just need to download ECVectors? 21:50:27 <Gonozal_VIII> and use them in the same way as other grfs 21:52:45 <ypahnu> hum , so after this, i will have more industries ?! 21:52:49 <glx> oh: known and already fixed 21:53:27 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, more and different industries 21:53:34 <Gonozal_VIII> they also behave different 21:54:02 <Gonozal_VIII> you may have to change the way you play the game with those 21:56:32 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:00:42 <ypahnu> Gonazal_VIII , i downloaded all under "Extended cargo schema v1 alpha 1", unziped and put in "data" path, do i need to do anything else ? 22:02:07 <Gonozal_VIII> you only need one of the basics/constructions, not all of them... and the beta 3 vectors are more advanced 22:02:56 <Gonozal_VIII> and you have to add them ingame in the newgrf settings window 22:04:45 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 22:05:45 <ypahnu> it won't work on map editor? 22:06:02 <Gonozal_VIII> it should 22:06:10 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm you need town vector 22:06:34 <Gonozal_VIII> that one has to be loaded first 22:07:15 <Gonozal_VIII> but that's all described on the wiki page ;-) 22:12:14 <Wolf01> does anybody know "peace890"? he just subscribed to my forum, i did a search on google to see if he is a spammer and i found he subscribed to a large ammount of forums, and always with 0 posts 22:12:44 <Gonozal_VIII> spammer with 0 posts? 22:12:59 <Wolf01> seem that he spams with his signature 22:13:16 <Gonozal_VIII> signature with 0 posts? 22:13:44 <Wolf01> maybe only to increase the number of the users of a forum 22:13:59 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm 22:15:37 <Wolf01> seem that he is populating only SMF forums 22:15:48 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@86.156.23.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:23 <Gonozal_VIII> wow... lots of "view the profile of" entrys in google 22:16:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:17:14 <Wolf01> seem that is an hack attempt 22:18:29 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe some buy viagra/penis enlargement pm spam bot... 22:23:51 <Gonozal_VIII> the register dates are all in the last three days but not too close together to make it impossible without automatation... could also be some freak that clicks through the web and registers on every forum^^ 22:25:50 <Wolf01> now i increased again the captcha for the registration, it was set at middle level, now is high 22:27:05 <Wolf01> http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=210305.msg1338992#msg1338992 22:28:06 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6B96.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:31:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:25 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh] 22:35:34 <Wolf01> 'night 22:35:43 <Gonozal_VIII> night 22:35:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.8.236.42] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:39:28 *** ypahnu [~me@89-109-104-122.cpe.netmadeira.com] has quit [] 22:40:02 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 22:42:49 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5653F.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:44:25 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:47 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:02 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 22:50:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11623 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1533] (r11619): assert when train is going over two crossings next to each other 22:52:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i've not had a conflict in ages... 22:52:25 <Bjarni> which means you code too little :P 22:55:28 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-19-44.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:55:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> this is probably true 22:57:25 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:57:32 <Sacro> !seen celestar 22:57:35 <Sacro> @seen celestar 22:57:35 <DorpsGek> Sacro: celestar was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 31 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <Celestar> wee hee mail server is dead :S 22:59:39 <Sacro> where are all the decent UKRS servers :( 22:59:44 <Sacro> celestar's is running 0.5.1 22:59:57 <Sacro> Brianetta's is dead 23:01:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DA0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:33 <Gekz> lol 640K lower ram, 1000000K upper ram. 23:13:01 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@86.155.39.192] has joined #openttd 23:13:22 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:11 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:21:49 *** Farden [~jk3farden@workstation.freenull.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:24:30 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Brianetta's is dead <-- I read it without "'s" and thought "what?" 23:24:41 <Bjarni> odds are that Helen ate him 23:24:44 <Sacro> Bjarni: well, he might be 23:24:47 <Bjarni> or at least his OTTD time 23:25:42 <Bjarni> damn I have been in this channel for ages 23:26:13 <Bjarni> I started to count the number of people who died since I joined (really died) and then I decided to stop 23:26:23 <Bjarni> it makes me sad to end up with such a huge number 23:26:32 <Gekz> o.o 23:26:55 <Gekz> how many people 23:27:18 <Bjarni> well... if it's purely people in this channel then they usually don't tell about it 23:27:55 <Gekz> lol 23:27:56 <Bjarni> but one guy showed up and told me that 4 people had died so he wouldn't be back 23:28:03 <Bjarni> :s 23:28:04 <Gekz> >_> 23:28:50 <Bjarni> I also started to think about people I knew who died since I joined this channel 23:29:01 <Bjarni> and then I stopped 23:29:10 <Bjarni> I people I knew in real life 23:29:54 <Sacro> i don't think anyone in here has died 23:30:16 <Bjarni> you mean nobody told you they died? 23:30:31 <Bjarni> damn I actually know a whole lot of dead people 23:30:53 <Bjarni> who died within the last few years 23:31:15 <Bjarni> let's talk about something else 23:32:41 <Gekz> maybe you'd feel better if you CLEAR'd the channel and banned *.* :P 23:32:47 <Sacro> he's donei before 23:32:50 <Sacro> grrr 23:33:01 * Sacro hates people who use call them MACs 23:33:06 <Sacro> ITS NOT A DAMNED ACRONYM 23:33:24 <Bjarni> no, it's a good one :P 23:33:38 <Bjarni> * Sacro hates people who use call them MACs <-- I still wonder wtf you meant by this :s 23:33:51 <Sacro> Bjarni: it's a Mac 23:33:58 <Bjarni> what is? 23:34:10 <Bjarni> McDuck? 23:34:19 <Digitalfox> Anyway talking about good things... 32bpp graphics is having a nice push this last couple of weeks :) Wiki is almost everyday updated with new 32bpp graphics :) 23:34:30 <Bjarni> nice 23:34:35 <Bjarni> URL? 23:34:56 <Digitalfox> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Enhanced_-_Graphics_Creation 23:35:55 <Digitalfox> There are some that need work, but there's others that look very nice :) 23:36:30 <Digitalfox> Having in trunk the ability to load tar files helped a lot .. 23:36:35 <Sacro> when is Alltaken back 23:36:55 <Digitalfox> It's nice to see people starting to believe in 32bpp in open 23:37:07 <Digitalfox> Sacro: Don't know sacro 23:39:08 <Bjarni> Sacro: whenever he sees fit 23:42:48 <Digitalfox> I don't get what's the difference between blitter 32bpp-optimized and 32bpp-anim, doesn't 32bpp-optimized have animations? Like the water is static? 23:43:08 <Bjarni> good question 23:43:10 <LeviathNL> nice to see fonso is trying to make the pax-destination patch trunk ready 23:44:00 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6B96.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt] 23:45:21 <Brianetta> Sacro: What's dead? 23:45:35 <Bjarni> hi Brianetta 23:45:47 <Bjarni> rumours has it that Helen ate you 23:45:53 <Sacro> Brianetta: your standard server 23:45:54 <Brianetta> She did (: 23:46:08 <Bjarni> uhh 23:46:11 <Brianetta> Sacro: Somebody should have told me. It was OK when I restarted it at lunch time. 23:46:16 <Bjarni> let's talk about something else then 23:46:33 <Brianetta> openttd: train_cmd.c:3142: TrainController: Assertion `chosen_track==1 || chosen_track==2 || chosen_track==4 || chosen_track==8 || chosen_track==16 || chosen_track==32' failed. 23:46:34 <Brianetta> Server has exited 23:46:37 <Sacro> Brianetta: meh, i found something else to do 23:47:03 <Bjarni> Brianetta: what did you do to get that one? 23:47:10 <Sacro> grrrr, msts keeps segfaulting 23:47:11 <Brianetta> Bjarni: I ran a server 23:47:14 <Brianetta> It's 0.5.3 23:47:23 <Bjarni> that's bad 23:47:26 <Brianetta> I know 23:47:32 <Bjarni> because it's not supposed to do that 23:47:33 <Brianetta> Unfortunately, I have no more information 23:47:53 <Brianetta> Assert fails in release products = bad, yes 23:48:12 <Gekz> holy crap 23:48:25 <Bjarni> o_O 23:48:27 <Gekz> those 32bbp graphics are a lot nicer than last time I looked 23:48:28 <Bjarni> you found one? 23:48:35 <Bjarni> you better donate it to the church 23:48:39 <Bjarni> I bet they want it XD 23:48:58 * Brianetta loads the last join-save 23:49:36 <Brianetta> actually 23:49:42 <Bjarni> Brianetta: it should mail you whenever the server stops running 23:49:49 <Bjarni> or at least notify you somehow 23:49:50 <Brianetta> I'm going to see if I can't get the quit save going again 23:49:59 <Brianetta> Bjarni: Yeah, sure 23:50:05 <Bjarni> scripting could do this for you 23:50:10 <Gekz> can openttd be compiled for windows using linux/ 23:50:10 <Brianetta> I could do an || thing 23:50:18 <Bjarni> that too 23:50:34 <Brianetta> autopilot || echo "it's buggered" | mail brian@ppcis.org -s "guess what" 23:50:37 <Gekz> openttd && openttd || openttd 23:50:38 <Gekz> :P 23:50:38 <Bjarni> if you do it correctly then you could get it to send an SMS so you will know right away 23:50:49 <Sacro> Gekz: yes 23:50:55 <Brianetta> Send an SMS? 23:50:59 <Brianetta> Coolc 23:51:04 <Brianetta> Tell me how to do that for free 23:51:09 <Bjarni> Gekz: the compiler will optimise it to just "openttd" 23:51:26 * Gekz blinks 23:51:41 <Sacro> Bjarni: bash won't 23:51:46 <Bjarni> Brianetta: for free.... a bit more tricky 23:51:53 <Bjarni> but it might be possible 23:52:21 <Bjarni> at one time it was possible here 23:52:47 <Bjarni> but the company owning the server that did so wasn't a good friend of the phone companies anymore 23:54:04 <Bjarni> http://www.sendsmsnow.com/ <-- maybe you can work out something here 23:54:07 <Bjarni> if you dare :P 23:54:25 <Bjarni> for all we know they are logging phone numbers to do funny stuff to 23:55:27 <Bjarni> anyway it's possible because the computer system at uni is doing it 23:55:31 * Sacro uses it to text people now 23:55:51 <Bjarni> oops 23:55:54 <Brianetta> From: OpenTTD autopilot server <autopilot@ppcis.org> 23:55:54 <Brianetta> To: brian@ppcis.org 23:55:54 <Brianetta> Subject: guess what 23:55:54 <Brianetta> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:55:04 +0000 (GMT) 23:55:54 <Brianetta> it's buggered 23:55:56 <Brianetta> works (: 23:56:05 <Sacro> haha 23:56:19 <Sacro> Brianetta: can you get it to /msg #openttd now :p 23:56:28 <Brianetta> not that easily 23:56:41 <Brianetta> I'd have to write a secondary IRC client to log back in, shout the problem, then quit 23:56:47 <Brianetta> which is what autopilot used to do 23:57:05 <Brianetta> before I used an actual IRC library 23:57:09 <Bjarni> you guys are forgetting one important issue 23:57:24 <Brianetta> which is? 23:57:25 <Bjarni> do the ops want server spam in this channel? 23:57:38 <Brianetta> Nobody said it would be *this* #openttd 23:57:42 <Brianetta> we could do it to Freenode 23:58:32 <Sacro> it still has 3 people in :D