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00:00:23 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 00:02:29 <Gonozal_VIII> icq is really the worst... it disconnects every few minutes 00:03:55 <Gonozal_VIII> and since about 2h i get the same offline messages again and again from the same guy everytime it reconnects 00:04:26 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm more than 2h... first message is from 18:20 00:05:29 <fjb> And your friend as the same problems? 00:05:47 <Gonozal_VIII> the one upstairs? 00:05:48 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... 00:06:13 <fjb> The one who is connected to the same router as you. 00:06:32 <fjb> Maybe you should try another router. 00:06:40 <Gonozal_VIII> yes he has the same problems and it doesn't matter if he downloads something or i do 00:07:12 <fjb> I suspect the router. 00:07:44 <Gonozal_VIII> to be broken or bad by design? 00:08:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> what if you install a software router and do not route through the router? 00:08:16 <Gonozal_VIII> he bought it... i guess it was the cheapest he could find 00:08:23 <fjb> Could be both... Did you try to flash a newer firmware? 00:08:51 <Gonozal_VIII> i can't plug in 2 cables? 00:09:08 <ln-> did someone fix the difficulty settings close button thing already? 00:09:09 <Gonozal_VIII> didn't try new firmware, no... 00:09:11 <ln-> why not? 00:09:40 <Gonozal_VIII> because i don't have 2 slots to put the cables in? 00:10:12 <ln-> what brand is it? 00:10:20 <fjb> You could try a software router, your friend would be disconnected while you that, but it will show you if the router causes the problems. 00:11:00 <Gonozal_VIII> the router is a netgear RP614v4 00:11:33 <fjb> Netgear is usually ok, but the things have to be cheaper and cheaper... 00:11:49 <Gonozal_VIII> why do i need a router when i'm the only one connected? 00:12:33 <Gonozal_VIII> good question, he's not here for the holidays... 00:12:34 <fjb> You don't need a router then. 00:12:53 <Gonozal_VIII> i'll try without the router :-) 00:12:58 <fjb> Just connect your Pc in the way it was connected before you had the router. 00:18:18 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N759P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21:46 <fjb> Articulated road vehicles. :-) 00:28:25 <ln-> will we seen gonozal_viii again tonight? 00:29:07 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-27-37.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:30:23 <Bjarni> maybe 00:30:27 <Bjarni> wanna bet? 00:30:42 <Bjarni> the loser will do the dishes 00:31:00 <Bjarni> the winner takes it all 00:31:22 <fjb> I don't bet. :-) 00:31:50 <Bjarni> so you are afraid of the dishes? 00:31:59 <Bjarni> they don't bite 00:32:03 <Bjarni> not much anyway 00:32:13 <Bjarni> only if you break them 00:33:44 <fjb> I don't want to frustrate you when I win. 00:35:14 <Bjarni> the greatest bet I ever heard was two guys (let's call them A and B) who made the bet that for every time A drank so such that he couldn't remember it the next day he had to give B half a case of beer 00:35:23 <Bjarni> there was no time limit 00:35:33 <Bjarni> and there was no way B could end up giving A beer 00:35:47 <Wolf01> 'night 00:35:49 <kyevan> Was A extremely drunk at the tiem? 00:35:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host30-223-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:36:21 <Bjarni> also at the time they made that bet A had already done it twice so he already had to give B a whole case of beer 00:36:51 <Bjarni> kyevan: everybody presumed none of them to be sober at the time 00:37:28 <Bjarni> but I think A was more drunk than just "not sober" 00:37:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> did you notice that they often have model fires and model car accidents, but never model train accidents? 00:38:17 <Bjarni> who are "they"? :) 00:39:09 <Sacro> http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/launchpad/launchball/ <- this could keep you amused for a while 00:39:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> [2007-12-22 00:14] <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... on "MDR" they have a "Long Model Railway Night" (3h) 00:40:33 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-27-37.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:43 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: Why are more road vehicles destroyed by accident in TTD then trains? :-) 00:41:22 <fjb> Sacro: That doesn't amuse me. 00:41:35 <Sacro> fjb: how sad 00:41:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, that statistics does not hold anymore since PBS :p 00:41:39 <Sacro> it'll occupy Bjarni though 00:41:51 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: 8 trains in one accident :( 00:41:53 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: http://www.dannychoo.com/blog_entry/eng/1129/Japanese+Fetish/ <-- here is your model train breaking 00:41:54 <Sacro> Brianetta laughed 00:42:08 <Sacro> Bjarni: wow, it greps on 2 of my key words 00:42:21 <Bjarni> personally I think it's sick but you might like it 00:42:27 * Sacro dribbles 00:43:08 <Bjarni> I once had a real model train accident 00:43:31 <Bjarni> I got hit by a H0 locomotive at high speed and broke a nail 00:45:13 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46:28 <fjb> Poor Bjarni 00:46:31 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@N887P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:46:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> you lost :p 00:47:03 <Gonozal_VIII> i lost? what? 00:47:37 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 00:47:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> not you ;) 00:48:20 * Sacro just lost the game 00:48:41 <Gonozal_VIII> chrisin destroyed more trains than pbs... at least for me 00:49:03 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Here was a bet if you would come back tonight. :-) 00:49:14 <Gonozal_VIII> i read the logs ;-) 00:49:31 <Gonozal_VIII> it was difficult... 00:49:36 <fjb> Did you kick the router? 00:49:40 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 00:50:05 <fjb> Then we will know if it causes the problems soon. 00:50:07 <Gonozal_VIII> couldn't set up the connection without the provider cd... don't know why 00:50:15 <Gonozal_VIII> had to search for the cd... 00:50:19 <Gonozal_VIII> had to clean the cd... 00:50:48 <Gonozal_VIII> install... that stuff askes for costumer id... 00:51:02 <Gonozal_VIII> had to search for that... 00:51:19 <fjb> :-) 00:51:41 <Gonozal_VIII> reconnected the router, logged in at the website of the isp.. 00:51:52 <Gonozal_VIII> disconnected again... 00:51:56 <Gonozal_VIII> continued the install.. 00:51:59 <Gonozal_VIII> here i am^^ 00:52:13 <Gonozal_VIII> easy, isn't it? 00:52:45 <fjb> Sounds really easy. 00:53:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> did it solve the problem? ;) 00:53:30 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know... 00:53:41 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm waiting for the next disconnect 00:53:44 <fjb> We will know soon. 00:54:39 <ln-> 02:43 <@Bjarni> I got hit by a H0 locomotive at high speed and broke a nail <-- better keep your nails under 3 cm long 00:55:46 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@79-68-155-103.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 00:58:14 * fjb waits for Gonozal_VIII disconnecting. 00:58:27 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 00:58:38 <Gonozal_VIII> icq is still connected 00:58:41 <Sacro> PROF_FRINK! 01:00:58 <fjb> I'm still suspecting the router. 01:01:19 <Gonozal_VIII> looks like you're right 01:01:35 <ln-> shhhhhhiiiiiiiiiitttt, there are Lwaxana Troi episodes also in DS9. 01:01:49 <fjb> :-) 01:02:03 <ln-> why, oh why 01:03:43 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:04:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E3CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:28 <Sacro> Troi hawt 01:05:56 <Gonozal_VIII> not that troi 01:06:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: that's the mother of deanna 01:06:33 <Sacro> i know :( 01:07:36 <Gonozal_VIII> traffic shaping doesn't seem to work now 01:07:45 <Gonozal_VIII> no active connections 01:08:06 <Bjarni> <ln-> 02:43 <@Bjarni> I got hit by a H0 locomotive at high speed and broke a nail <-- better keep your nails under 3 cm long <-- actually it wasn't due to long nails... it broke like half a cm from the "inside" 01:08:17 <Bjarni> now where you usually break nails 01:08:19 <Gonozal_VIII> ouch 01:08:26 <Bjarni> but it cracked at the point of impact 01:08:59 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: yeah... I survived though and now the nail is normal again 01:09:09 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B042E2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:09:45 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@N887P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 01:10:29 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Probably you have a new virtual networking interface now. And cFos speed doesn't know about it or is not able to handle it. 01:12:43 <fjb> Hey, first time I see a logoff massage from Gonozal's irc client, and no connection lost message. :-) 01:14:57 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:59 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6C17.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 01:18:21 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@N936P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:18:35 <Gonozal_VIII> no, that was not the connection ;-) 01:19:02 <Gonozal_VIII> i rebooted and then lots of things wanted to be updated.... 01:19:17 <Gonozal_VIII> (didn't reboot for some time) 01:20:47 <fjb> I saw the difference. 01:21:13 <fjb> You could try to flash the router with a new firmware. 01:22:05 <Gonozal_VIII> the router is not connected now 01:22:43 <Gonozal_VIII> but i will do that when i connect it again... 01:22:51 <fjb> I know, but how will you connect your friend without the router? 01:23:03 <Gonozal_VIII> guess i'll just make some screenshots of the settings then... 01:23:09 <glx> you can search if there's an update 01:23:24 <Gonozal_VIII> yes there is an update, already searched for that 01:23:28 <Bjarni> Sacro: that game of yours is interesting but.... 01:23:34 <Bjarni> it has to few levels 01:23:41 <Sacro> too? 01:23:42 <Gonozal_VIII> but the changes didn't seem to affect my problem 01:24:23 <Gonozal_VIII> and i was to lazy to reenter all the settings... 01:25:52 <Bjarni> yeah 01:25:56 <Bjarni> too few levels 01:26:13 <Bjarni> and it's not like it's hard either 01:27:21 <Gonozal_VIII> what game :S didn't see anything about a game in the logs 01:28:06 <Bjarni> http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/launchpad/launchball/ 01:28:49 <Gonozal_VIII> aaah 01:30:52 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75498.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:36:53 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-137-31.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:37:18 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77C6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:37:24 <Gonozal_VIII> nice game :-) 01:44:03 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:45:07 <kyevan> I think I crashed it.. 01:45:19 <kyevan> By trying to take a giant screenshot of a max-size game 01:46:14 <Bjarni> ok I'm out of levels 01:51:50 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B042E2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:52:09 <glx> kyevan: not crashed, but you may run out of memory 01:52:18 <kyevan> Heh. 01:52:33 <Bjarni> RAM is really cheap right now 01:52:56 <Bjarni> but having more physical RAM isn't the golden solution to this problem 01:53:03 <Bjarni> it is to many other problems though 01:53:06 <glx> but giant screenshot of a 2048² map is too much 01:53:15 <kyevan> Heh, it actually finished :P 01:53:28 <glx> now find a tool to open it :) 01:53:44 <kyevan> 983 meg png :P 01:53:52 <kyevan> Should I upload it to the wiki? :P 01:54:17 <glx> no way 01:54:21 <Bjarni> well... I read that the RAM factories worked hard on making enough RAM for everybody to upgrade to vista. That didn't happen so now they have too much and are selling at reduced price. It's estimated that the prices will rise in February so if you need RAM then now is the time 01:54:49 <glx> I already have 2GB 01:55:15 <kyevan> aww, it's an invalid png :P 01:55:26 <Bjarni> I'm not so sure 01:55:34 <kyevan> anyway 01:55:36 <Bjarni> it might be your viewing app that runs out of memory 01:55:41 <Sacro> "The last 48 hours of my life are a blur; all I see are trains and forests and coal mines." <- hehehe 01:56:09 <kyevan> Bjarni: No, it imideiely pops up "Can't recognize format", "not a valid PNG", etc. 01:56:18 <kyevan> whatever, I don't really want to see it anywy :P 01:56:27 <Bjarni> then why did you make it? 01:57:10 <kyevan> Because I wanted to see if I could! 01:57:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> what exactly is it about trains that you can watch them for hours and they don't get boring? 01:57:46 <Bjarni> Sacro: well.... the past day isn't a blur to me but all I saw was trains, tracks and similar stuff 01:58:01 <kyevan> Eddi|zuHause3: They're TRAINS. 01:58:10 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: they are long 02:02:23 <Sacro> night everyone 02:06:09 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 02:08:49 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:10:57 <Belugas> night Sacro 02:11:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> night john boy 02:11:56 <Gonozal_VIII> night 02:11:58 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.77] has joined #openttd 02:12:31 <Gonozal_VIII> stupid mirrors won't direct the light where i want them to 02:13:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> why do i have a load of 1.7 when nothing time consuming is running? 02:16:34 <UnderBuilder> would be nice a mod of openttd where you have to build up from scratch a city by building near it your HQ and some roads and then transporting to it goods and feeding nearby power stations 02:17:09 *** murray [murray@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::78a9] has joined #openttd 02:18:24 <murray> oh, too bad 02:18:47 <murray> i have this absolutely hilarious youtube link 02:18:54 <murray> a real classic 02:19:02 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:19:09 <murray> but guess i can't share it cause topic says so 02:19:47 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause3: Just look into the list of prozesses. 02:21:48 *** dlunch [~dlunch@220.123.132.44] has quit [Quit: ì ìŽë§ ê°ëë€.] 02:32:40 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:33:27 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:41:21 <UnderBuilder> somebody saw my idea? 02:42:46 <Gonozal_VIII> you can already have that (almost) 02:43:16 <Gonozal_VIII> set the map generator to produce only very small towns and you can let them grow 02:44:01 <Gonozal_VIII> but i don't think power plants have an effect... 02:44:49 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess all industries in that town that are good serviced should help towngrowth as they provide work... 02:46:26 <Gonozal_VIII> towns could shrink and die out when nothing is transportet there :-) 02:48:37 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-131-107.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:54:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 02:57:45 <Gonozal_VIII> no disconnects since router is gone... 02:58:50 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:01:54 <fjb> :-) 03:02:09 <Gonozal_VIII> bad, bad router 03:02:29 <fjb> At least we fount the cause of the problem. 03:02:36 <fjb> Try a new firmware. 03:02:45 <UnderBuilder> what I want is that you start with no cities and you have to grow one from scratch 03:03:26 <Gonozal_VIII> how does the city know where to start? 03:03:52 <UnderBuilder> the city title appears where you place your HQ 03:04:05 <Gonozal_VIII> and without cities there are also no industries (i think, as they all belong to a city) 03:04:25 <Gonozal_VIII> you can only build one hq 03:05:50 <UnderBuilder> you dedicate to build one city 03:06:19 <UnderBuilder> the industries code should be reprogrammed so industries have no owner 03:07:17 <Gonozal_VIII> a single city on the map might be a bit boring 03:08:07 <UnderBuilder> this could be useful for multiplayer 03:08:21 <UnderBuilder> each player builds their own city 03:08:50 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm i see... the goal is to get the biggest city? 03:11:54 <UnderBuilder> yep 03:12:20 <UnderBuilder> now a doubt... how do I get the map seed number when I am playing 03:16:02 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm you can get the seed that was used in the last generation through the scenario editor... but from a older game i don't know 03:18:19 <Gonozal_VIII> and that only if you didn't open the new game window in between... opening that generates a new seed 03:26:23 <Gonozal_VIII> no.. can't find it anywhere 03:29:50 <fjb> Good night. 03:30:05 <Gonozal_VIII> good idea 03:30:08 <Gonozal_VIII> night 03:30:10 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FCED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Realworld is calling.] 03:30:44 <Gonozal_VIII> 4:30... time for some sleep 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Some of them are hard to get elsewhere 13:38:50 <Bjarni> Digitalfox: your clock has a severe lag 13:38:54 <Bjarni> [14:38:09] <Digitalfox> oh, its 13:37 here lol 13:39:06 <Gonozal_VIII> [14:38:08] Digitalfox: oh, its 13:37 here lol 13:39:17 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A40A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:31 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: stop copying me 13:39:35 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm my clock was 1,10 seconds wrong 13:39:41 <Digitalfox> drivers.com is great :) Only problem is that you can only download 5 drivers for each account unless you buy a subscription pack :( 13:40:12 <Bjarni> I didn't know that 13:40:18 <Bjarni> then again I only needed one driver 13:40:29 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54AFCA22.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40:31 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess there are not that many drivers that you can't get anywhere else 13:40:32 <Digitalfox> my clock has a severe lag?? Lol 13:41:05 <Gonozal_VIII> at least not for a normal user 13:41:37 <Digitalfox> there are lot's of drivers that i can't elsewhere besides driver.com 13:41:41 <Digitalfox> *find 13:41:53 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 13:41:57 <Digitalfox> because users can upload drivers, even for there own backup 13:42:06 <Digitalfox> so lot's of stuff there 13:42:31 <Gonozal_VIII> well yes... but lots of drivers for stuff you actually need? 13:42:55 <Digitalfox> yes 13:43:00 <Gonozal_VIII> ok.. 13:43:21 <Gonozal_VIII> do you steal your computer components out of museums?^^ 13:43:27 <Digitalfox> everyweek some old pc get's in my hands to fix, and drivers is always a nightmare.. So drivers.com rules 13:43:37 <Gonozal_VIII> ah i see 13:43:38 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6660.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:04 <Digitalfox> Beisdes networks i also fix friends and clients pc's 13:44:36 <skidd13> Digitalfox: use linux and you don't have problems with (most) older hardware ;) 13:44:52 <Digitalfox> skidd13: What about drivers? 13:45:05 <Gonozal_VIII> [14:41:05] Gonozal_VIII: at least not for a normal user <-- you're not a normal user then ;-) 13:45:15 <Digitalfox> nope 13:45:54 <skidd13> Digitalfox: AFAIK drivers won't be taken out of the kernel (and even if, you can use a prior main line like 2.2 or 2.4) 13:46:44 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:48:04 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-27-37.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:32 <roboman> I got nowhere at drivers.com 13:48:42 <roboman> did you mean driveragent.com? 13:53:59 <Digitalfox> roboman: http://www.driverguide.com/ 14:03:53 <roboman> found what I think I want 14:05:33 <Bjarni> you think 14:05:35 <Bjarni> ... 14:05:47 <Bjarni> maybe your computer disagrees 14:06:16 <Gonozal_VIII> why would he need a computer? 14:06:32 <Gonozal_VIII> as a roboman :-) 14:07:03 <roboman> lol 14:08:22 <roboman> and the install didnt work or like my pc 14:12:35 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F265.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:12:42 <fjb> Moin 14:13:15 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 14:14:39 <fjb> I just got a packet from my best friend and her family, full of cookies. :-) 14:14:58 <Bjarni> that's too bad 14:15:13 <Bjarni> but at least browsers can clean out all cookies in no time 14:15:21 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 14:15:28 <fjb> To bad that you don't have a friend that can make cookies? :-P 14:15:37 <Gonozal_VIII> i thought of those cookies too 14:15:52 <fjb> It came per snail mail, so no cokkies got lost. 14:16:00 <Bjarni> if you mean Christmas cookies then you better say so 14:16:05 <fjb> cookies 14:16:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> "let me browse your cookie jar" :p 14:16:41 <fjb> :-) 14:16:48 <fjb> No they are mine. :-P 14:16:54 <Bjarni> <fjb> It came per snail mail, so no cokkies got lost. <-- we had a burglary on our post office the other night... somebody wanted extra Christmas presents so they stole other people's presents 14:17:14 <fjb> That is really sad . :-( 14:17:18 <Bjarni> so it is indeed possible to have lost packages with snail mail 14:17:20 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm good idea 14:18:20 <Bjarni> as luck would happen my package was at the package terminal and not the local post office that night 14:18:23 <fjb> Bjarni: Don't give Gonozal_VIII bad ideas. 14:18:27 <Gonozal_VIII> lost packages are no biggie, they'll just resend it and you've got yourself some presents :-) 14:19:02 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: if you try to do something funny then I will do something funny to you 14:19:16 <Bjarni> like scientific experiments 14:19:20 <Gonozal_VIII> yay fun 14:19:59 * fjb hides the cookies from Gonozal_VIII. 14:20:02 <Bjarni> like how will the colour of your face chance if I drain half a litre of blood from you every 10th minute 14:20:07 <Gonozal_VIII> i wouldn't leave my house anyways... there's frozen water everywhere outside... 14:20:08 <Bjarni> that could be an all day experiment 14:20:26 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> i wouldn't leave my house anyways... there's frozen water everywhere outside... <-- that's called ice 14:20:43 <fjb> Bjarni: That would be over much too fast... 14:20:55 <Gonozal_VIII> my body consists of 70% water or something, i don't want to freeze! 14:21:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's really strange, we don't have snow, but it's white all over the place... 14:21:35 <fjb> That's the fog from yesterday. 14:21:47 <Bjarni> the weather forecast here tells us that we will not get a white Christmas due to global warming... 14:21:48 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 14:21:57 <Bjarni> it's below 0 °C though 14:22:02 <Gonozal_VIII> lots of snow here 14:22:15 <Gonozal_VIII> stupid snow... 14:22:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> the chance of white christmas was always slim 14:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> even more so near the water... 14:22:39 <Bjarni> statistically it's 6% here 14:22:43 <Gonozal_VIII> slim chance of about 95% 14:22:48 <Vikthor> not much of snow and below 0ËC due to inversion here in Prague 14:23:10 <roboman> ive heard cases of places further up from the NSW snowwy mountains getting a white christmas 14:23:27 <Vikthor> and smog also do to inversion 14:23:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> anyway, here, each tree and other plant is covered with ice... 14:23:33 <Gonozal_VIII> why would somebody want snow? 14:23:36 <Bjarni> because the demand for a white Christmas is that at least 95% of the country has at least 0,5 cm of snow.... but the chances of a local white Christmas is somewhat higher 14:23:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> it looks really great 14:23:58 <Bjarni> the weather forecast tend to forget talking about local weather though 14:23:59 <fjb> It's frozen fog here. I don't think it will last till Christmas. 14:24:01 <roboman> thwe NSW snowy mountains are usually the only place to get snow in NSW and they are almost in the southern border of NSW and VIC 14:24:08 <Vikthor> Gonozal_VIII: Where from Austria exactly you are? 14:24:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> and we didn't have smog since the mid 90's 14:24:17 <Gonozal_VIII> it may look good but all the work with shoveling it aside... 14:24:29 <Gonozal_VIII> hallstatt 14:24:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> when all major industries closed, and half the population wandered off to "the west" 14:24:57 <Bjarni> you know... winter is great fun with all the white outside (snow or ice) but it's less fun when the ice is inside water pipes 14:25:14 <Gonozal_VIII> or on your car.. 14:25:16 <fjb> roboman: How hot is the summer? 14:25:26 <Gonozal_VIII> or on the path from the house to the road... 14:25:29 <Vikthor> Eddi|zuHause3: The problem here is that even that some industries closed, much more polution comes form cars 14:25:32 <Gonozal_VIII> or on the road... 14:25:51 * Bjarni has tried driving with a snowplow 14:25:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> Vikthor: yeah, but the people with cars are more likely to move away 14:25:55 <Bjarni> in mid summer :P 14:26:01 <roboman> sometimes 40 C but 30 C usually 14:26:17 <hylje> http://www.1chan.net/rail/src/1197969565619.jpg 14:27:14 <fjb> Great picture. 14:28:03 <Vikthor> Eddi|zuHause3: Well that's probably one of very few things thats better for you in former DDR 14:28:52 <Bjarni> stupid picture 14:28:57 <Bjarni> or rather... stupid firefox 14:29:05 <Bjarni> why isn't it starting.... 14:29:12 <Gonozal_VIII> works for me 14:29:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, not really, because when all the semi-rich working people go away, all there is left is students, old people and "assis" 14:30:15 <Bjarni> odd... I opened the pic in safari instead and then it opened in no time 14:30:25 <Bjarni> firefox is still thinking about what to do 14:30:30 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause3: There are very sad things happening in Eastern Germany. :-( 14:30:44 <Gonozal_VIII> my firefox opened it without a problem 14:30:54 <Bjarni> that's how it usually works here 14:30:59 <Bjarni> too 14:31:04 <Bjarni> but... something is weird right now 14:31:32 <Bjarni> 10% free CPU time... it should not be an overloaded computer 14:31:40 <hylje> firefox sucks 14:31:43 <Vikthor> Eddi|zuHause3: Of course, I meant that less polution is one of very few positive things that happening in Eastern Germany, in global it's probably not so good 14:31:44 <Gonozal_VIII> does not 14:31:48 <Bjarni> it's loaded but now overloaded 14:32:02 <murray> opera > firefox > * > IE 14:32:30 <Bjarni> murray: that would be evil to do 14:32:45 <Bjarni> besides how would you walk over to IE? 14:32:58 <murray> wut? 14:33:07 <murray> > means "greater than" 14:33:16 <Bjarni> ahh 14:33:21 * murray > Bjarni 14:33:26 <Bjarni> I thought you meant direction of travelling 14:33:33 <murray> lol no 14:33:40 <hylje> haha 14:33:48 <Bjarni> and I considered your statement really odd 14:33:59 <Gonozal_VIII> didn't like opera when i tested it... 14:34:03 <Gonozal_VIII> was slooow 14:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's brainfuck code... 14:34:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> > means "increase the pointer" 14:34:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> the other characters are commentaries 14:34:43 <Bjarni> I once talked to an opera coder and I said that I installed it and he said "poor you" 14:34:53 * roboman has been playing OpenTTD lately ive been runing a small server for a few freinds 14:34:53 <Bjarni> this was in the beta days though 14:36:27 <roboman> Am I able to force openttd to save everything and use everything in the directory it was put in. I put it in OpenTTD on my desktop but it wants everything but data to be in My Documents 14:36:38 <Bjarni> I now officially declare firefox for being in deep shit 14:36:44 <Bjarni> it is still trying to start 14:36:55 <Gonozal_VIII> refresh... 14:37:04 <Bjarni> it is trying to open a window.... 14:37:22 <roboman> I know this was done for getting round the Program Files permisions stuff 14:38:08 <Bjarni> hmm 14:38:13 <Gonozal_VIII> you don't need it in my documents 14:38:19 <Bjarni> I forced quitted it and now it opened in secs 14:38:32 <roboman> im geusing thats why I couldnt start my dedicated server 14:38:44 <Gonozal_VIII> that's to use multiple installs of openttd with the same settings 14:38:47 <roboman> it isnt but its dumping my saves there 14:38:48 <Bjarni> bbl 14:38:53 <roboman> bye 14:39:10 * Bjarni is going to travel now 14:39:16 <Bjarni> all the way to the kitchen 14:39:26 <Gonozal_VIII> by train? 14:39:35 <Bjarni> I think so 14:39:37 <roboman> will sticking openttd.cfg in the folder fix it? 14:39:40 <Bjarni> because then I got the right of way 14:39:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> roboman: if you have anything in your openttd dir, it will prefer that over the my documents dir 14:39:51 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 14:39:56 <roboman> ok 14:44:42 <roboman> can I force the dedicated server to stay open? 14:45:22 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm? what do you mean? 14:47:24 <roboman> it closes immediately cause of erors i think when I tell it to open a save game 14:47:39 <Gonozal_VIII> ah 14:47:41 <roboman> I can not read what it says so I do not know why it is closing 14:47:52 <hylje> have a script restarting it whenever it dies 14:47:58 <hylje> and run it in a console 14:47:59 <roboman> i run it openttd -D -g blah 14:48:18 <Gonozal_VIII> run it with a .bat and add pause in the next line :-) 14:48:30 <roboman> so that will do the trick 14:48:36 <roboman> cmd aint closing 14:51:18 <roboman> cmd wasnt closing its the openttd console that opens 14:51:28 <roboman> and the suddenly closes 14:52:01 <roboman> runing it from a .bat doesnt keep the console open 14:52:08 <roboman> cmd stays open 14:52:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> there was something about turning stuff int console apps 14:52:21 <roboman> ok 14:52:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> *into 14:52:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i don't know anything about tha 14:52:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> t 14:54:43 <glx> http://devs.openttd.org/~glx/convert.zip 14:55:09 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-200-134.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 14:55:20 <glx> ^^ that's the tool to convert openttd into console app 15:06:47 <roboman> thanx 15:10:47 <roboman> the game load was failing 15:11:03 <roboman> it was something about format not recognised 15:12:46 *** gege [~jo-reggel@static-81-17-185-44.dunaweb.hu] has joined #openttd 15:12:52 <gege> good day 15:12:57 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 15:13:33 *** xintron [xintron@blinkenshell.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:33 <gege> i installed the ttrs2aw grf file when i first start everything is fine 15:13:49 <gege> but when next time i want to run the program it crashes 15:14:13 <gege> where i need to send the crash.dmp? 15:15:08 <Gonozal_VIII> why not ttrs3? 15:15:19 <gege> sorry ttrs3 i think 15:15:32 <gege> but after i delet the grf and openttd.cfg 15:15:39 <gege> it crashes again and again 15:16:07 <Gonozal_VIII> you changed the cfg manually? maybe you broke something there... 15:16:21 <gege> after i restart the win everything is fine 15:16:26 <gege> i changed manually 15:16:49 <gege> but after i del the cfg it crashes again 15:17:07 <gege> i dont know why this bug 15:17:23 <gege> but maybe help if someone get this crash.dmp 15:17:40 <gege> i want to send it only for help this great work 15:17:45 <Gonozal_VIII> http://bugs.openttd.org/ <-- look if you can find the bug there, if not, post it :-) 15:18:07 <gege> :) 15:18:15 * roboman can not stop listening to this song 15:18:17 <gege> 185 report im afk for a hour or two:) 15:18:18 <Gonozal_VIII> if yes, reply there... 15:21:16 *** xintron [xintron@blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 15:24:06 <gege> hm i dont really know what make this crash 15:24:21 <gege> but i dont see bug what type of this 15:24:34 <gege> and after a restart everything ok 15:24:36 <glx> check if there's a reason in crash.log 15:24:37 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A40A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt] 15:25:03 <gege> sorry i reinstall the full game only the crash.dmp saved 15:25:14 <glx> we need both :) 15:25:19 <gege> but after reinstall it crashes again 15:25:26 <gege> i reboot and now works 15:25:40 <glx> looks like a memory problem 15:25:44 <gege> in this way i ttry to reproduce this bug 15:26:24 <gege> you mean hardware problem? 15:26:52 <glx> yes, that's a possibility 15:26:55 <gege> i use that hp notebook about a year 15:27:14 <gege> and i dont remember any hardware crash 15:27:25 <gege> but i try this night a memtest 15:28:00 <glx> put the crash.dmp somewhere, so I can check where it crashes 15:28:38 <roboman> gnight/morning 15:28:44 <roboman> gnight in the early hours 15:31:20 <Bjarni> early? 15:31:29 <Bjarni> it's just past sunset 15:31:51 <Gonozal_VIII> sunset was in october 15:31:51 <Bjarni> you aussies are doing everything reversed 15:32:10 <Bjarni> I guess walking upside down makes something to the bloodflow to the brain or something 15:32:28 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> sunset was in october <--- yeah... it's just past sunset 15:32:37 <Gonozal_VIII> ok... 15:33:48 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm yesterday was the middle, not? 15:34:17 <Gonozal_VIII> so it's halfway between sunset and sunrise :-) 15:34:44 <Gonozal_VIII> which is somewhere mid february 15:35:24 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm yesterday was the middle, not? <-- yesterday was big switching yard day 15:35:45 * Bjarni can still feel it all over his body 15:36:00 <Gonozal_VIII> switched the rails for the sun? 15:38:20 <Bjarni> yesterday had nothing to do with the sun 15:38:52 <Gonozal_VIII> yesterday.. all my plasma balls seemed so far away... 15:39:22 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> yesterday.. all my [...] balls seemed so far away... 15:39:39 <Gonozal_VIII> all your ball are belong to us! 15:39:43 <Bjarni> I know people mainly grow during the night but still.. 15:42:50 <glx> gege: using 0.5.3 ? 15:43:12 <Bjarni> so did you guys buy all the Christmas presents that you plan to give? 15:43:21 <gege> yes 15:43:50 <glx> try "openttd -mnull" 15:43:59 <glx> looks like it fails to start music 15:44:05 <Gonozal_VIII> [16:43:12] Bjarni: so did you guys buy all the Christmas presents that you plan to give? <-- yes... as in bought none, plan to give none 15:44:23 <glx> same for me :) 15:45:46 <gege> i buyed everything but i dont want to give for anyone:) 15:46:20 <Gonozal_VIII> why should i give people presents for somebody else's birthday? 15:46:31 <gege> :) 15:46:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> ... who is even unlikely to have had birthday on that day 15:46:58 <Gonozal_VIII> especially if that guy is most likely fictional 15:48:11 <gege> gonzal i think catholicism not your religion 15:48:16 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, i guess the guy itself isn't fictional, only who he thought to be and what he did... 15:48:45 <Gonozal_VIII> well, technically i am catholic 15:49:01 <gege> like me "technically" 15:49:17 <gege> i havent got other chance 15:49:48 <gege> but i cry that day:) 15:51:37 <Osai> hello devs, openttd (r11666) desyncs when you prospect an industry. I checked out a new working copy to ensure no changes of the code, because I talked with Rubidium some times but he said it is an revision-number error and he was not able to reproduce the desync locally. We are using newgrfs, maybe this is a problem too. 15:52:18 <Gonozal_VIII> known bug :-) 15:52:43 <Osai> Gonozal_VIII: yes, but actually feel like devs don't trust in us 15:52:51 <Osai> :( 15:53:19 <Osai> at least it sounded like its our own fault because we ran a patched version with ./configure --revision-number= 15:53:56 <Osai> before the current game I did a fresh install 16:00:49 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-27-37.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:02:42 <glx> I failed to make it desync 16:04:39 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> [16:43:12] Bjarni: so did you guys buy all the Christmas presents that you plan to give? <-- yes... as in bought none, plan to give none <-- are you a Muslim or something? 16:05:08 <Gonozal_VIII> no, much worse, i'm a student :-) 16:05:42 <Bjarni> so it's about poverty, not religion 16:06:19 <Bjarni> remember that it's the thought that counts 16:06:53 <Bjarni> I'm a student too and I still plan to give presents to the people I care for 16:06:56 <Gonozal_VIII> aaaaand 16:06:59 <Gonozal_VIII> [16:46:19] Gonozal_VIII: why should i give people presents for somebody else's birthday? 16:07:25 <Bjarni> tradition 16:07:32 <Bjarni> besides you will get presents 16:07:42 <Gonozal_VIII> no 16:07:50 <Bjarni> at least you would if you didn't push people away from you 16:07:53 <Gonozal_VIII> we don't do that 16:08:17 <Bjarni> are you sure you aren't Muslim? 16:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> "how can you tell if you never tried?" 16:09:03 <Bjarni> or maybe atheistic 16:09:41 <Gonozal_VIII> technically catholic 16:10:02 <Bjarni> I wasn't asking a technically question :p 16:10:20 <Bjarni> what does your heart tell you? 16:10:32 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:53 <Gonozal_VIII> it's pumping my blood 16:11:15 <Bjarni> you are avoiding the subject 16:11:31 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't believe in god or something like that 16:11:45 <Bjarni> do you believe in human relationships? 16:12:17 <Gonozal_VIII> it's not about relationships, it's about commerce 16:12:43 <Gonozal_VIII> all about the money 16:13:14 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 16:13:27 <Bjarni> you could make stuff yourself if you realised what is important 16:13:32 <Bjarni> so it's not about money 16:14:04 <Bjarni> money is for buying stuff that you can't make yourself or are too lazy to make yourself 16:14:52 <Bjarni> you can make a painting and give that one to somebody you care about 16:15:05 <SmatZ> hello 16:15:09 <Bjarni> this would be a cheap and personal present 16:15:11 <Bjarni> hi SmatZ 16:15:11 *** gege [~jo-reggel@static-81-17-185-44.dunaweb.hu] has quit [] 16:15:22 <Gonozal_VIII> i can't paint^^ 16:15:24 <SmatZ> hello Bjarni 16:15:30 <Bjarni> SmatZ: are you giving presents at Christmas? 16:15:44 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> i can't paint^^ <-- then it would be really personal and unique 16:16:16 <SmatZ> Bjarni: yes, on Monday, in the evening 16:16:34 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75498.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:37 <Bjarni> SmatZ: Gonozal_VIII talks about it as a waste of money or something 16:16:42 <Bjarni> really weird :s 16:17:39 <Bjarni> giving a good present is a sign that you care for that person so giving no presents would be a sign to everybody that you don't care at all 16:18:09 <Bjarni> hmm 16:18:43 <Bjarni> go to the garden and dig up worms and give those as a present. If you give them to the right person he/she will be very happy 16:18:51 <Bjarni> and go fishing with you ;) 16:19:11 <SmatZ> :-) 16:20:31 <Bjarni> maybe Gonozal_VIII talks about money to hide the facts that he has no friends and behaves in a way that his family disowned him 16:20:41 <SmatZ> :'-( 16:20:55 <Bjarni> yeah it's sad 16:21:04 <Bjarni> some people has nobody to get presents for 16:21:09 <Bjarni> it's a cruel world 16:21:13 <SmatZ> :-) 16:22:25 * Bjarni wonders what the real reason for Gonozal_VIII to be so cruel to his family that they get no presents 16:22:47 <Bjarni> maybe he ran away from home 16:22:52 <SmatZ> different countries have different customs... 16:23:45 <Bjarni> I don't consider Austria to be that strange compared to the rest of Europe 16:23:47 <SmatZ> well, Austria... many Austrian people dislike Czech people :-x because of Nuclear powerplant... 16:24:02 <Bjarni> that's natural 16:24:29 <SmatZ> huh like if that was better if we used coal powerplants instead 16:25:00 <Bjarni> Sweden built a nuclear powerplant next to Stockholm. They realised that it was too close and closed it. Now they needed more power so they placed one within visual range of Copenhagen 16:25:14 <SmatZ> :-P 16:25:18 <SmatZ> strange 16:25:30 <SmatZ> depends what you call "near" 16:25:41 <Gonozal_VIII> germany has nuclear plants close to our border too but they are much safer 16:26:04 <Gonozal_VIII> temelin has like 1000 malfunctions per year 16:26:15 <SmatZ> yeah, our nuclear plant are not safe, while we have the same/more strict laws 16:26:29 <SmatZ> that happens in every powerplant, none of them are dangerous 16:26:34 <Bjarni> There was a design flaw in the Swedish plant that nobody wanted to correct (too expensive) and they tried to hide that fact 16:26:46 <Bjarni> people didn't like that when this news reached the media 16:26:56 <Bjarni> years after it was discovered 16:27:13 <SmatZ> oh those Swedish :-x 16:27:43 <kyevan> Hey, they can always hide in the banks if the reactor goes critical :P 16:27:48 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm not against nuclear plants but they should build them deep underground or something where they can't spread radioactive dust all over the continent when something goes wrong 16:27:48 <Bjarni> actually they had informed some guy in Denmark responsible for nuclear safety in Denmark and he hid that fact from the public 16:28:23 <SmatZ> just Aurtia got rid of nuclear powerplants and now they want all other countries to do the same... nothing more, nothing less 16:28:27 <Bjarni> this guy wanted nuclear in Denmark or something even though the politicians had already banned them 16:28:43 <Bjarni> we never built any nuclear power plants 16:29:21 <Gonozal_VIII> we built one... after it was ready they asked the people if they should build it... 16:29:24 <Bjarni> except for a nuclear reactor test centre... for some reason they kept researching even after nuclear reactors were banned 16:31:02 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> huh like if that was better if we used coal powerplants instead <-- we can build those for you and the Austrians will be happy 16:31:19 <SmatZ> Bjarni: thanks, no :-D 16:31:35 <Bjarni> you see the Danish coal power plants are the most clean and most efficient in the entire world 16:31:40 <Gonozal_VIII> there are lots of deep abandoned mines where you could put the nuclear plants in 16:32:01 <SmatZ> what is dangerous, is building some American "anti-rocket" base in our country... I wonder why people don't demonstrate against this 16:32:52 <Gonozal_VIII> the dangerous thing about those is that they make a nuclear war more likely 16:33:15 <Gonozal_VIII> when the americans think it is safe for them 16:33:24 <Bjarni> they don't 16:33:39 <Bjarni> the anti rockets miss the rockets most of the time 16:33:42 <Bjarni> and they know that 16:33:57 <Bjarni> so in reality it's not a really secure defence 16:34:30 <Bjarni> it's like making a firewall on your computer that can only block 100 ports and then it picks 100 random ports to block every sec 16:34:38 <Gonozal_VIII> but they are well known for their decisions based on wrong facts 16:35:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B747A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B747A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:47 <Bjarni> actually while the Americans tend to do stupid stuff I don't think they will use nuclear weapons unless it's WW3 and the enemy use them 16:36:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B747A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:37:23 <Osai> glx: it doesn't desync here locally as well. It might occur only if users with different OSes joined the game 16:37:25 <Bjarni> if it's just a "normal" situation where somebody hates USA the US voters will not accept it 16:37:42 <Bjarni> Osai: or different endianess 16:37:55 <Bjarni> that's more likely than OS itself 16:38:30 *** dlunch [~dlunch@220.123.132.44] has joined #openttd 16:38:46 *** dlunch [~dlunch@220.123.132.44] has quit [] 16:46:20 <Osai> Bjarni: you are right 16:46:27 <Gonozal_VIII> explosions outside!! 16:46:43 <SmatZ> explosions? 16:46:56 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, like in boom! 16:47:10 <SmatZ> celebrating a bit early :) 16:47:29 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... earlier then usual 16:47:56 <Eddi|zuHause> in australia a fireworks factory exploded a few weeks ago 16:48:17 <Gonozal_VIII> big boom? 16:48:23 <Eddi|zuHause> they said they might have to cancel the sydney fireworks this year 16:49:29 <Gonozal_VIII> they should just show videos of the factory explosion 16:55:59 <kyevan> That prospecting bug REALLY needs to be fixed... 16:57:31 <SmatZ> kyevan: can you reproduce it? 16:59:27 <kyevan> Yeh, easy. 16:59:39 <kyevan> It happens /every damn time/ you prospect in multiplayer 16:59:44 <kyevan> Everyone desynchs 17:00:18 <SmatZ> kyevan: did you try it? 17:00:35 <SmatZ> I tried to load ottdcoop savegame, run a server from it, join as a client 17:00:43 <SmatZ> prospected maybe 50 industries with no desync 17:01:06 <SmatZ> so I was using the same newgrf, the same version, and it didn't desync 17:01:21 <SmatZ> there must be something else, maybe different endianess 17:01:40 <SmatZ> kyevan: so I am asking again - are YOU able to reproduce it? 17:01:45 <SmatZ> without openttdcoop server 17:02:41 *** Phazorx [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001ac3151fb2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:28 <kyevan> I hWell 17:03:43 <kyevan> I think I have an idea on how to pull it off 17:03:53 <kyevan> But my mac is in another state at the moment, so :P 17:04:56 <kyevan> I think Osai was working on it, though? 17:05:12 <SmatZ> I don't know 17:11:20 <SmatZ> hmm my girlfriend is ill, now I found out I have elevated temperature, too... I hope it won't be bad Christmass this year :( 17:13:05 <Eddi|zuHause> even more reason to break up ;) 17:13:41 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 17:25:33 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@N901P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:56 <SmatZ> :-x 17:36:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FD21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:51 <Tefad> SmatZ: that happened to me for thanksgiving 17:39:14 <Tefad> i didn't get to see my folks for fear of giving sickness to them 17:40:12 *** mikl [~mikl@gw.imtnet.dk] has joined #openttd 17:45:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:48:51 <kyevan> OH MY GOD TAKE OFF YOUR CLOTHES 17:48:55 <kyevan> They're not fire proof! 17:50:51 *** Craterboy [Christmas@dc5147efc8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:51:22 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i have a conflict in vehicle.h... 17:51:50 <Craterboy> Is it possible to save in multiplayer and load multiplayer 17:52:07 <kyevan> yes 17:52:08 <Bjarni> yes 17:52:25 <kyevan> (in before RTFM! :P) 17:52:49 * Bjarni wonders why people ask such question without even trying 17:52:54 <Craterboy> tried 17:52:58 <Craterboy> but I wasn't sure 17:53:22 <Craterboy> since the guy who I am playing with is afk 17:53:27 <Bjarni> save... when starting a new MP game click "load game" or whatever it's called 17:53:44 <Craterboy> tried that, but had no-one to test 17:53:50 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:53:53 <Bjarni> the other players has to manually join your newly started game when you load it though 17:54:01 <Craterboy> aha 17:54:09 <Craterboy> so it won't show up on lan list? 17:54:18 <Bjarni> it will 17:54:34 <Bjarni> when you load it will be a normal MP game but it starts with companies in it 17:54:41 <Craterboy> aha 17:54:43 <Bjarni> then people can join their old companies again 17:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause> note that all passwords are lost 17:57:26 <Eddi|zuHause> argh... burning dual layer takes forever... 17:57:57 <Craterboy> yay 17:58:01 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i probably asked this multiple times already: "/home/johannes/spiele/OpenTTD/src/misc/blob.hpp:376: warning: assuming signed overflow does not occur when assuming that (X - c) >= X is always true" <--- i thought these have been fixed 17:58:06 <Craterboy> airport business is a fast way to get rid of loans 17:58:37 <Eddi|zuHause> gcc --version 17:58:37 <Eddi|zuHause> gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070724 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux) 18:02:15 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: this feature is only in gcc 4.2, it was probably packported to 4.1.3 though 18:02:29 <SmatZ> the configure script checks for gcc >= 4.2 18:04:36 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i actually should have gcc 4.2 18:07:55 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> argh... burning dual layer takes forever... <-- that depends on much much you add to it 18:08:15 <Bjarni> usually people tend to fill DL discs though and since that's a whole lot of data... 18:10:07 <Eddi|zuHause> well i bought 2.4x discs, because my old burner couldn't handle the faster ones, but then the burner broke 18:10:29 <Eddi|zuHause> the new burner can burn up to 6x i believe 18:10:40 <Eddi|zuHause> but the discs are still slow 18:11:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and filling a DL with 2.4x takes roughly an hour 18:12:18 <Eddi|zuHause> or 45 minutes 18:12:23 <Eddi|zuHause> or something around that 18:12:50 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B04303E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:57 <Bjarni> sounds like when I burned CDs at single speed 18:13:31 <Bjarni> I had a double speed burner and double speed discs but weird tracking errors happened if I tried more than single speed 18:13:56 <Bjarni> oh well... the burner was cheap (when you consider pricing at that time) 18:14:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i found this burner was cheap 18:14:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it was like 17 euro + shipping 18:14:48 <Bjarni> way cheaper than my burner 18:14:59 <Bjarni> but it has been a while 18:15:06 <Bjarni> it was in 1997 or something 18:15:20 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's an IDE burner, while most are SATA now 18:16:12 <Bjarni> I told a guy that I thought that the issues with the burner was due to a small cache and he said "the size of the case shouldn't matter" 18:16:48 <Bjarni> I think it has 256k or something... and no buffer underrun protection 18:17:13 <Bjarni> I still have the drive... I just don't really use it anymore 18:17:15 <Eddi|zuHause> that can cause problems depending what else you do with the system 18:17:47 <Bjarni> I also has a dual speed CD-ROM drive... it's great for reading discs with scratches.... it cares way less than modern drives 18:18:16 <Bjarni> but... I prefer avoiding scratching my discs ;) 18:19:13 <Bjarni> yeah 256k isn't much. The computer was kind of slow too (100 MHz) and it was an external drive 18:20:09 *** Maedhros_ [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:08 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause> well, 256k isn't very much, but if you compare it relative to the size of the disk, the modern (cheap) drives don't have that much more 18:31:50 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, openttd still hangs if i generate an arctic map with alpine grf 18:34:21 <Maedhros_> odd; it works fine here 18:34:28 <Maedhros_> Eddi|zuHause: what other grfs have you got loaded? 18:35:04 *** Maedhros_ is now known as Maedhros 18:35:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i once tracked it down that the problem disappears if i remove my .cfg 18:35:31 <Eddi|zuHause> other grfs don't matter, i tried without 18:35:47 <Maedhros> hmm 18:35:56 <Maedhros> could you upload your config somewhere please? 18:38:06 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, interesting, i got music all of a sudden ;) 18:43:15 <Eddi|zuHause> should i also attach alpine grf? 18:43:24 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:45:03 <Maedhros> Eddi|zuHause: i've already got one (AlpineClimate V0.21 18.05.06) 18:45:25 <Eddi|zuHause> -rw-rw-rw- 1 johannes users 402522 18. Mai 2006 /home/johannes/.openttd/data/newgrf/alpinew.grf 18:45:29 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds right 18:49:22 <Maedhros> how odd - the title screen is centred on a different place with your config... 18:49:48 <kyevan> Is the title screen just a normal map, with a bunch of stuff preplaced, or what? 18:50:33 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:36 <Maedhros> it's just a savegame, renamed to opntitle.dat 18:51:09 <kyevan> Hmm, cool 18:51:28 * Maedhros slaps himself 18:51:43 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:52 <Maedhros> the title screen is only centred on a different place because of Eddi|zuHause's huge screen resolution settings 18:52:14 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i was about to suggest that 18:53:08 <Maedhros> i can reproduce the hang, at any rate 19:11:25 <Eddi|zuHause> btw, concerning alpine grf, ore does not count as freight, might this be another one of those "set to 0" versus "keep default value" issue? 19:12:43 <Eddi|zuHause> (maybe you remember we had one of those with the BR 05 and loading speed of passengers) 19:13:55 <Eddi|zuHause> (i'm talking alpine together with DBSetXL here) 19:24:32 * kyevan glares at the stable version 19:24:34 <kyevan> AH NEEDS MAH PUSSY^WRORO RV STATIONS! 19:27:12 <Craterboy> erm 19:27:21 <Craterboy> how to make airport to accept goods if it's near a factory 19:27:53 <kyevan> It can't. 19:27:58 <Craterboy> oh 19:28:04 <kyevan> Towns accept goods, not factorys :P 19:28:09 <Craterboy> I mean 19:28:21 <Craterboy> make factory store goods in airport 19:28:27 <Craterboy> so a plane can give it to a town 19:28:35 <Craterboy> hmm 19:28:35 <Craterboy> nvm 19:28:42 <Craterboy> takes a while till it accepts it 19:28:53 <kyevan> Is the factory in the catchment? Also, you need to run service first, maybe 19:50:04 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.227] has joined #openttd 19:51:37 <Wolf01> bah, i hate when i have the road toolbar opened and i press A for auto*... and selects the autorail... 19:53:08 <hylje> a for autorail is magical 19:53:15 <hylje> it pops up the rail builder anyway 19:53:23 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:58 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A662F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:54:12 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:31 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A662F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt] 20:17:32 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A662F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:18:06 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 20:22:21 <Craterboy> longer station means faster loading? 20:22:54 <hylje> so long the train fits inside the station 20:22:58 <hylje> its as fast as it can be 20:25:00 <Craterboy> if the station is the half of the train 20:25:04 <Craterboy> means loading is slow? 20:25:30 <hylje> yes 20:26:09 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A662F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt] 20:37:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Fahrpreisentwicklung 20:37:43 <Eddi|zuHause> 01.08.1919 20 Pfennig 20:37:43 <Eddi|zuHause> 14.07.1923 1500 Mark 20:37:43 <Eddi|zuHause> 24.11.1923 150 Mrd. Mark 20:37:43 <Eddi|zuHause> 25.11.1923 15 Reichspfenning 20:38:18 <Eddi|zuHause> (prices of one tram ride in Halle) 20:39:11 <Eddi|zuHause> (today: around 1,50â¬, don't remember the exact price) 20:39:52 <glx> was a nice inflation 20:43:50 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.227] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 20:45:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FD21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:46:06 <Rubidium> Osai: then post everything that 'we' need to know on how to reproduce the desync. 20:46:19 <Rubidium> *if* I cannot reproduce it, I cannot fix it either. 20:46:47 <Osai> I was able to reproduce the desync 20:47:23 <Osai> you need clients with different cpu/OSes 20:49:09 <glx> that's the problem as we (the devs) don't have different cpu types 20:49:12 <Rubidium> you said it's only with newindustries? 20:49:35 <Osai> nope, I tested it with a new generated game 20:50:14 <SmatZ> what about Bjarni, doesn't he have Mac? 20:50:19 <Osai> yes 20:50:25 <Rubidium> so a game without newgrfs? 20:50:28 <Osai> yes 20:50:35 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@80.84.45.77] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:50:48 <Rubidium> Osai: can you find out since what revision that is? 20:50:55 <glx> SmatZ: an intel one 20:51:11 <Osai> I could try 20:52:04 <SmatZ> glx: aha 20:52:18 <Osai> Rubidium: can you join 217.235.102.96 20:53:19 <Rubidium> how big is the game? 20:53:27 <Osai> another problem that occurs is: if you 64x128 20:53:33 <Osai> oops 20:53:38 <Osai> 64x128 20:53:42 <Osai> just started 20:53:46 <Osai> nothing inside 20:53:50 <Osai> join the company 20:54:19 <Rubidium> hmm, that's going to take a while; need to get a clean checkout of that rev and compile it 20:54:41 <Osai> I could also load the latest nightly if it helps you 20:54:52 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@xDSL-45-77.citynetnassjo.se] has joined #openttd 20:55:09 <glx> if you can compile it :) 20:55:11 <Rubidium> that would be quicker I guess 20:55:25 <Osai> glx: I can, but it takes very long :( 20:55:45 <Rubidium> glx: did I break it? 20:56:01 <glx> yes, all BE builds failed 20:57:13 <Osai> okay, started with r11673 20:57:38 <Osai> --.- 21:00:36 * Osai is trying to compile r11680 21:01:00 <glx> with a BE cpu? 21:01:56 <Rubidium> you'd better try r11681 21:02:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11681 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Fix (r11674): hopefully fix the compile error on big endian machines. 21:02:29 <Osai> k, trying 21:02:36 <Osai> takes a while 21:08:21 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:14:13 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:22 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 21:22:28 <glx> Osai: nice 21:22:29 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:38 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 21:24:57 <Osai> another interesting thing: if you change the patch setting raw_industry_construction the other clients don't see the change 21:25:00 <Osai> of the value 21:29:56 <Rubidium> Osai: any idea since what revision 21:30:12 <Rubidium> approximately the desync happen between endiannesses? 21:30:54 <Rubidium> I can't find something obviously wrong in the last 70 or so commits 21:32:25 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 21:33:09 <Osai> we have problems since r11615 with 100% guarantee 21:33:32 <glx> and it was ok before? 21:33:33 <Rubidium> but the *same* problem since r11615? 21:34:28 <Osai> we used r11557, r11601 and r11615 21:34:57 <glx> all with prospection enabled? 21:36:24 <Osai> probably yes, but if we didn't build industries (pax games) or we had enough the problem didn't occur 21:36:25 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> what about Bjarni, doesn't he have Mac? <-- no... I use a C64 for IRC and coding and because I can't compile to test it I just hope that my code works 21:37:12 <Bjarni> hmm 21:37:19 <Osai> glx, we could simply test with these revisions 21:37:31 <Bjarni> why did you guys talk about my computer? 21:37:57 <SmatZ> from IRC #openttdcoop logs I can see there were massive desyncs with r1106 too 21:38:07 <SmatZ> Bjarni: commodore 64? 21:38:12 <Bjarni> yeah 21:38:37 <Bjarni> r1106 is ancient... are you sure about this number? 21:38:42 <Rubidium> SmatZ: a massive desyncer in r1106 would most likely be fixed by now 21:38:44 <Bjarni> and is it really useful info 21:38:46 <SmatZ> nice, can you run OTTD too at it? 21:38:59 <SmatZ> Bjarni: Rubidium :-) errrr r11601 21:39:01 <Bjarni> sure 21:39:08 <glx> Osai: we can, just tell what version 21:39:09 <Bjarni> but I don't have a net connection on it 21:39:28 <SmatZ> massive desync ~ (almost) all player desync at one time 21:39:39 <Bjarni> actually I communicate by saying funny stuff in the phone 21:39:54 <Osai> glx, lets try r11601 first 21:40:25 <glx> compiling 21:40:32 <SmatZ> I can see one massive desync with 11557 too 21:41:03 <Bjarni> but since you guys still talk about desyncs I presume that you want me to debug on PPC or something 21:41:24 <glx> well Osai is on BE :) 21:42:10 <Bjarni> I know 21:42:17 <Bjarni> using tiger 21:43:23 * Bjarni prepares for tomorrow 21:43:40 <Bjarni> I finally have a vacation and what do I do? 21:43:48 <Bjarni> I do what most people would consider work :P 21:44:29 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:59 *** divoafx [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 21:45:44 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 21:45:56 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48:12 <Osai> okay, r11601 fails too 21:48:23 * Rubidium cannot find something obviously wrong in the last 300 or so revisions 21:48:51 <glx> and modified settings are not forwarded 21:49:06 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F052B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:50:21 <Osai> Rubidium: when was industry prospecting included into trunk? 21:50:44 <Rubidium> 4-6 months or so? 21:50:55 <Osai> uhm :/ 21:50:57 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 21:52:08 <Rubidium> @openttd logs 10451 21:52:17 <Rubidium> @openttd commit 10451 21:52:18 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Commit by rubidium :: r10451 /trunk/src (8 files in 3 dirs) (2007-07-06 07:24:10 UTC) 21:52:19 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: -Add: support for "prospecting" raw industries, i.e. you pay an amount of money and then it might (with a given chance) build a raw industry somewhere on the map. 21:52:24 <glx> I introduced a desync in r11305 (fixed in r11356) 21:52:45 <glx> let's try r10451 :) 21:54:12 <SmatZ> I think there was one problem with prospecting (client was using Random() in the test run), and it has been fixed later 21:55:08 <Osai> glx: compiling r10451 will take a while again 21:55:33 <glx> SmatZ: there's no test run when prospecting (it is just skiped) 21:56:40 <SmatZ> glx: then I am wrong - maybe it was general placing of industry 21:56:44 <Rubidium> glx: when you set your 'local' configuration for prospecting the same as Osai has on his BE server, does it then desync? 21:56:49 <SmatZ> I don't remember, really 21:57:39 <glx> Rubidium: I don't understand 21:58:12 * Rubidium suspects that a certain variable is not stored in the savegame 21:59:04 <Rubidium> so if you set that variable in openttd.cfg to the same value as on Osai's computer, it should 'work' 21:59:13 <glx> hmm last try, it was none, then Osai changed it, and I needed to reconnect to get the right one 22:01:13 <Rubidium> oh, never mind... that variable is used a lot longer than for enabling prospecting 22:02:00 <glx> but the change was not forwarded (at least in r11601) 22:02:25 <glx> changed using console 22:02:30 <Rubidium> that's odd 22:15:53 <Tefad> http://www.music4games.net/ check out magfest if you get a chance 22:15:59 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-3-149.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:16:19 <Tefad> there will be openttd at the LAN, i promise : D 22:16:48 <Maedhros> hmm. the order that parameters are evaluated in isn't defined by the C standard, iirc, so might it be that the Randoms in the call to CreateNewIndustryHelper are evaluated in a different order in PowerPC and x86 code? 22:17:19 <Maedhros> or is the desync just caused by the patch setting not being propagated? 22:18:00 <SmatZ> Maedhros: where do you see that? 22:18:24 <Maedhros> SmatZ: industry_cmd.cpp:1615 22:19:29 <SmatZ> Maedhros: nice catch, that may be a problem :-) "operator , " is a serializing operator, but in the function call ", " is not "operator ," 22:19:50 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/prospect_debug.diff <-- we could try to compare outputs 22:21:17 *** peterbrett [~peter@cpc2-oxfd6-0-0-cust544.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:22:24 <valhallasw> SmatZ: operator! does it commute? 22:22:59 <Eddi|zuHause> nesting functions with side effects into one statement should be avoided... 22:23:39 <SmatZ> valhallasw: errr, sorry? 22:23:51 <Tefad> boolean algebra 22:23:53 <valhallasw> SmatZ: sorry, my quantum mind kicked in :) 22:24:03 <SmatZ> :-) 22:24:05 <valhallasw> Tefad: whats boolean about commutativity? 22:24:20 <Tefad> ! is the not operator yes? 22:24:27 <SmatZ> not 22:24:32 <SmatZ> yes 22:25:08 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i need a DBSet with longer passenger wagons 22:25:20 <SmatZ> depends what you call "not" ... ! is "bool" not 22:25:27 <SmatZ> ~ is "vector" not 22:25:32 <SmatZ> or how should I call it 22:26:13 *** divoafx is now known as divo 22:26:43 <Tefad> ! is logical ~ is binary 22:27:01 <valhallasw> bitwise vs logical 22:27:04 <Tefad> !20384 is 0 22:27:06 <Eddi|zuHause> calculus in GF(4294967296) is funny ;) 22:27:15 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: girlfriend calculis? :P 22:27:27 <valhallasw> calculus* 22:27:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Galois Field, you ignorant :p 22:27:32 <Tefad> ~0xFF gets 0x00 with possible leading F's i forget. 22:27:49 <valhallasw> Tefad: depends on the size 22:27:53 <Tefad> depends. yeah 22:28:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Tefad: depends if 0xFF is sign-extended first 22:28:57 <Eddi|zuHause> 0xFF can be extended to 0xFFFFFFFF (signed) or to 0x000000FF (unsigned) 22:29:12 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: I am trying hard to avoid algebra classes 22:29:30 <valhallasw> linear algebra is worse enough :D 22:29:59 <Eddi|zuHause> galois fields are the finite fields of order p^n, with p being a prime number 22:30:06 <Tefad> see what i meant ; ) 22:30:21 <Tefad> i've had to deal with this crap when programming binary adders using 7400 chips 22:30:36 <SmatZ> hmm I didn't know it has to be p^n 22:30:37 <Tefad> yay carry flags. hilarity ensues. 22:30:48 <SmatZ> :-) 22:30:53 <Eddi|zuHause> the galois field with 256 elements is used in the AES algorithm (symmetric encryption) 22:32:01 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: ah, the finite field of integers modulo p. I see 22:32:17 <Eddi|zuHause> the funny thing about p=2, that you end up with bitfields, where the addition is bitwise xor 22:32:38 <Eddi|zuHause> but the multiplication is a totally "weird" shuffling around of bits 22:33:39 <Eddi|zuHause> valhallasw: it has not much to do with integers, when you get to n>1 22:33:49 <valhallasw> hrmmm 22:33:53 <valhallasw> wait 22:36:16 <valhallasw> I can follow wikipedia on GF(2) and GF(3), but GF(4) fails for me :P 22:36:24 <valhallasw> (the examples section) 22:37:01 <valhallasw> or... are those just *defenitions* of a field? 22:37:19 <Eddi|zuHause> 4=2^2, so you have a 2-bit vector 22:37:26 <Eddi|zuHause> addition is bitwise xor 22:37:45 <Eddi|zuHause> so (1,0)+(1,1) = (0,1) 22:38:03 <Eddi|zuHause> multiplication is the group with 3 elements 22:38:07 <valhallasw> 1+B=(1,0)+(1,1)=(0,1)=A? 22:38:08 <valhallasw> right 22:38:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd say 1=(1,1) 22:39:17 <Eddi|zuHause> which article are you reading? 22:39:23 <valhallasw> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galois_field 22:39:30 <valhallasw> down at Some small finite fields 22:39:33 <Bjarni> lol 22:39:42 <Bjarni> "Its German not finnish stupids -_-" <-- said about some Finnish speech 22:39:46 <valhallasw> xD 22:44:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: i read something like that a while ago 22:45:00 <Bjarni> heh 22:45:14 <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mdMb6bRXt4 <-- you can judge for yourself if you like 22:45:59 <valhallasw> xD 22:46:21 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: but GF(5).. would be what? just N mod 5? 22:46:30 <Tefad> is that spoken or scat? 22:46:30 <Eddi|zuHause> valhallasw: yes 22:46:48 <Bjarni> Tefad: most of it is nonsense even in Finnish 22:46:53 <valhallasw> and GF(25) would be a vector of two mod 5 ints? 22:47:10 <Bjarni> it's about rhythm and stuff not the words themselves 22:47:25 <Tefad> so scat using words 22:47:38 <Bjarni> most of them aren't even real words 22:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, you could probably describe it like that, but Z^2 mod 5 does not give you a multiplication 22:48:11 <Tefad> kind of like supercalifragilisticexpealidocious 22:48:28 <Bjarni> err 22:48:44 <Tefad> also, i spelled that right the first try.. at least according to the google. 22:48:44 * Bjarni wonders how to make a good rhythm with supercalifragilisticexpealidocious 22:48:59 <Tefad> certainly you've heard the song? 22:49:05 <Bjarni> sure 22:49:18 <Bjarni> and if I forget it all it takes is to go get the DVD 22:49:34 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: as in 'impossible to define' or 'no standard solution'? 22:49:54 <Bjarni> but I might have to ask my sister where it is :/ 22:49:58 <Tefad> those field patterns remind me of pascal's triangle a bit 22:50:04 <Eddi|zuHause> as in "Z^2 does not have multiplication, so Z^2 mod 5 does not imply one" 22:50:22 <valhallasw> ah 22:51:45 <valhallasw> maybe I should do algebra classes 22:54:14 <Tefad> Jatsu tsappari dikkari dallan / tittari tillan titstan dullaa, / dipidapi dallaa ruppati rupiran / kurikan kukka ja kirikan kuu. / Ratsatsaa ja ripidabi dilla / beritstan dillan dellan doo. / A baribbattaa baribbariiba / ribiribi distan dellan doo. / Ja barillas dillan deia dooa / daba daba daba daba daba duvja vuu. / Baristal dillas dillan duu ba daga / daiga daida duu duu deiga dou. 22:55:37 <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbbA9BhCTko <-- wow... it actually sounds pretty good on voice synth software 22:55:41 <Bjarni> same song 22:55:48 <Bjarni> but computer generated singing 22:55:54 <Eddi|zuHause> stop with that song already! :p 22:56:05 <Bjarni> why 22:56:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it was hard enough to get Sacro down the first time :p 22:56:18 <Bjarni> does it contain offensive German words? :) 22:56:24 <Bjarni> ohh 22:57:24 <Wolf01> what is the right order with the transfer system? 22:57:24 <Wolf01> A = transfer and leave empty -> B = transfer and take cargo or load directly? 22:57:40 <Bjarni> hahaha... the video response to the last link is.... different :) 22:58:27 <valhallasw> xD 22:59:15 <Bjarni> too bad I stopped playing fighting games years ago 23:00:06 <Bjarni> I was unbeatable in Street fighter. Didn't play it much though but I was still able to beat everybody 23:00:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i usually only use transfer in train A 23:00:31 <Eddi|zuHause> train B can just use load 23:00:36 <Tefad> did someone say A-Train 23:01:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i also have no idea why we have orders other than "transfer and leave empty" or what they are useful for 23:01:53 <Eddi|zuHause> what is an A-Train in your world, Tefad? 23:02:14 <Wolf01> maybe they were intended for bi-directional transfer, which doesn't work at all 23:02:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FD21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:23 <Eddi|zuHause> next step for transfer is passenger/cargo destinations and pathfinding 23:08:06 <Eddi|zuHause> is there a lightweight pcx editor for linux? 23:10:27 <Eddi|zuHause> (meaning less clumsy than gimp) 23:10:27 <Maedhros> not that i know of (i'm assuming the gimp doesn't count as lightweight) 23:10:37 <Maedhros> heh 23:10:57 <valhallasw> paint.net has been ported to mono iirc 23:11:58 <valhallasw> http://code.google.com/p/paint-mono/ 23:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i'll see what the repository sais about image editing software... 23:13:48 <Eddi|zuHause> says? 23:13:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i never remember... 23:22:23 <Maedhros> yeah, it's "says", if you were talking about the spelling :) 23:22:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 23:23:02 <Eddi|zuHause> but it is said 23:23:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a totally weird language 23:23:56 <Maedhros> true, true :) 23:24:10 <SpComb> sez 23:30:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11682 /trunk/src/ (79 files in 5 dirs): -Codechange: move some 'generic' geometry related types into a single file and do not include gfx.h everywhere to get a Point type. 23:33:23 *** Farden [~jk3farden@213.186.38.50] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:42:39 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:45:27 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... there is kolourpaint... maybe i should try that one 23:48:42 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:50:35 <pavel1269> gn 23:50:46 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 23:50:57 *** mikl [~mikl@gw.imtnet.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 23:52:54 <valhalla1w> TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=5000] <-- I am fucking something up -_- 23:54:26 *** HMage [Queneex@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 23:56:56 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:57:13 *** HMage` [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 23:59:03 <Tefad> there's also the vector drawing program, xfig 23:59:12 <Tefad> export to PDF iirc