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00:00:57 <ln-> is there a scientific term for the phobia of being afraid to touch objects in the fear of static electricity shocks? 00:01:20 <fjb> I bet there is one. 00:01:21 <Sionide> hm, i have that 00:01:23 <Sionide> sh 00:01:24 <Sionide> ish* 00:02:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:03:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E03A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:16 <ben_goodger> hmm 00:07:34 <fjb> The combination of YAPP and passenger destination patch makes it a new game. 00:08:01 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78922.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:14 <ben_goodger> ? 00:08:32 <Sionide> woah 00:08:36 <Sionide> pax destinations works now? 00:08:58 <ben_goodger> I think that was what annoyed me most about simutrans 00:09:05 <fjb> At least it doesn't crash for me. Didn't test it in a network game yet. 00:09:07 <ben_goodger> does it behave more sensibly than that? 00:09:23 <ln-> what annoys me the most in simutrans is the small size of graphics. 00:09:30 * fjb never played simultrans. 00:10:24 <ben_goodger> the passengers would not get on unless you were running a service to somewhere they wanted to go 00:10:34 <ben_goodger> which made a lot of things very difficult 00:13:01 <fjb> You at least have to build a network. Without that patch you only have to build two airports and get rich in no time. 00:14:14 <ben_goodger> ah 00:14:39 <ben_goodger> I always thought that air was ridiculously high-cost 00:15:14 <ben_goodger> though I did spend a game on rail once and then purchased a plane that doubled my profit 00:15:45 <ben_goodger> the trouble is that the towns never develop fast enough, and that they do not grow realistically 00:16:15 <Sionide> you can change how fast towns grow though, or you talking simutrans still? 00:16:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> there are now "cities" that grow faster 00:16:37 <ben_goodger> right 00:16:56 <ben_goodger> still a problem with growth realism that probably can't be fixed very easily 00:17:06 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-165-110.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:18:15 <fjb> You can make a town grow faster with a simple trick. Build 5 bus stops and buy a bus that services them. 00:18:20 <ben_goodger> incidentally, how did the name problem get fixed? 00:18:44 <fjb> Stations get numbers. 00:18:55 <ben_goodger> ah 00:19:28 <Sionide> more names? i could think of some 00:19:40 <ben_goodger> yeah 00:19:54 <ben_goodger> parkway, for instance, for use a long distance from a town 00:20:04 <fjb> You can see what is does now here: http://www.myimg.de/?img=NorthernExpress5Aug19c78cb.png 00:20:17 <ben_goodger> such as bodmin parkway, which is closer to another town on the same line 00:20:39 <ben_goodger> oh... 00:20:55 <ben_goodger> nice network 00:21:10 <ben_goodger> nice town and roads, come to think of it 00:22:08 <fjb> That isn't a planed network. Just three tram lines, a railway mainline and a small branchline to the center of the town. 00:22:36 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 00:22:43 <fjb> The roads and the buildings are from the north american sets. 00:23:45 <ben_goodger> ah 00:24:16 <Sionide> the transport stuff in simcity4 rush hour has so much potential to be cool, but it sucks 00:24:23 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-088-066-131-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:24:35 <Sionide> you can see all the sims routes to work, from their houses, what mode of transport they use 00:24:46 <Sionide> but once you start trying to put any kind of mass transport network in, it's rubbish 00:25:34 <fjb> What happens then? And how do the sims travel? 00:25:49 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 00:26:08 <Sionide> by car 00:26:17 <ben_goodger> you can either have a huge road network, or they will walk about five tiles 00:26:18 <Sionide> making air pollution and congestion 00:26:33 <fjb> The game is from an US company I guess. 00:26:40 <Sionide> there's various stuff you can do 00:27:03 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:27:03 <ben_goodger> metro networks, buses, rail (I never worked out how to make the rail networks actually do anything), elevated rail are all possible 00:27:08 <ben_goodger> oh, and ferries 00:27:11 <ben_goodger> and airports 00:27:17 <Sionide> ben_goodger, think you need to connect rail to neighbour city 00:27:29 <ben_goodger> but they all cost a huge amount, except the buses which are useless 00:27:30 <Sionide> elevated is weird too 00:28:28 <ben_goodger> mm 00:31:12 *** Wezz6400 is now known as Guest273 00:31:14 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 00:31:15 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> <insert suitible topic transition here> 00:33:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.orschlurch.de/video/kakadu-bites-the-dust.html 00:37:53 *** Guest273 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:45 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:45:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8295D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:45:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:48:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12165 /trunk/src/main_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#1652, FS#1773]: buffer overflow when drawing scrolling news 00:48:25 *** maverique [~maverique@p5B0BD448.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:50:57 *** Axamentia [~SlayerRag@78-105-140-209.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Triplets, More triplets and palm muting...] 00:51:33 *** Saladan0 [~saladan0@c-76-22-108-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:51:37 <Saladan0> Cool 00:51:40 <Saladan0> Alot of people in here 00:52:13 <Saladan0> Anyone feel nice enough to help a new guy out? 00:52:55 <maverique> can somebody give me an hint how i can copy the needed files into the openTTD folder under ubuntu linux? 00:54:28 <maverique> i tryed cp, it's not working 00:54:44 <glx> it should 00:54:50 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:54:57 *** Phantasm [ghost@hack.fi] has joined #openttd 00:55:17 <glx> but you may need to "sudo cp" 00:55:40 <maverique> he alsways says that he skipped the folder where i ahve the files 00:55:53 <Sionide> use nautilus? 00:56:05 <maverique> i sue console 00:56:11 <maverique> i not shure i am newbie 00:56:43 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 00:56:57 <glx> cp /path/to/trg*.grf /path/to/openttd/data 00:57:16 <glx> and don't forget sample.cat :) 00:57:26 <Saladan0> :< 00:58:33 <Belugas> Saladan0, ask what you need to know, not if someone can help you ;) 00:59:11 <Saladan0> thats the thing. I dont know what I need to know. I need experience, but none of the multiplayer servers are any help. 00:59:29 <Saladan0> So im forced to come here and hopefully hop in a private game to see how pros play. 00:59:49 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 01:00:37 <Belugas> hehe 01:00:48 <Belugas> i could not help you a lot... 01:01:03 <Belugas> maybe a dev, but not great a player 01:01:09 <Belugas> and even not on MP ;) 01:01:41 <Belugas> but i am not alone in here, as you know. So maybe ANYONE in here could give you a hand ;) 01:01:49 <Belugas> plus, have you read the wiki? 01:02:26 <Belugas> not necesseraly the award winning spot, but usefull stuff in there too 01:02:27 <Sionide> Saladan0, spectate an openttd-coop game :) 01:02:34 *** Rippsy [~Rippsy@87.127.122.215] has quit [] 01:03:25 <Saladan0> Thats what I want to 01:03:35 <Saladan0> but I need to wait until the chance arrives 01:04:02 <Saladan0> The best case scenario is if somebody in here says "Hey, Im going to host a game, any want to join?" 01:04:06 <Saladan0> Then ill join 01:05:55 <maverique> what do i ahve to do to start the game now? 01:06:22 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-18-90.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 01:09:55 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11:44 <maverique> what do i ahve to do to start the game now? 01:12:16 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:12:43 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 01:13:50 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 01:16:17 <fjb> type "openttd" 01:17:16 <maverique> error can't open sample.cat 01:18:43 <maverique> he says that it's brocken or not there 01:18:49 <maverique> but it is there 01:20:18 <fjb> Do you have the rights to read it? 01:20:49 <maverique> how do i change the rights? 01:21:28 <fjb> How about learning to use your os first? 01:21:48 <Sionide> harsh but fair 01:21:58 <Sionide> maverique, don't use console if you don't know what you're doing with it 01:22:28 *** Arbitrary [me@morgoth.alfar.co.uk] has joined #openttd 01:22:43 <maverique> but i can't change it on gui 01:22:44 <Saladan0> So people often come in here to set up games? 01:23:14 <fjb> Not that often. And most of them know how to use their computer. 01:23:49 <Saladan0> ...huh? 01:23:52 <maverique> i am new on linux onb windows that's all easier !! 01:23:54 <Sionide> Saladan0, http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Main_Page OpenTTD Coop is the place to be 01:24:13 <Sionide> maverique, it isn't *easier* it's just different. 01:24:20 <Sionide> and it's not even that different 01:24:33 <Saladan0> Oh 01:24:34 <maverique> well ion linux it tells me i am not allowed to copy files in 01:24:40 <Saladan0> Thanks a bunch Sionide 01:24:43 <Saladan0> and Belugas 01:25:00 <Saladan0> Its such a rarity to find helpfull *nice* people these days 01:25:03 *** Saladan0 [~saladan0@c-76-22-108-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 01:25:06 <Sionide> Saladan0, that's where i learnt.. partly anyway. partly self-taught, partly just pick stuff up here and there, heh 01:25:10 <Sionide> ... :/ 01:25:11 <Sionide> d'oh! 01:25:59 <maverique> and change rights are also blocked for me 01:26:38 <Sionide> ugh 01:26:39 *** Phantasm [ghost@hack.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26:51 <Sionide> it's because you've installed openttd from the repositories which is just annoying 01:27:14 <Sionide> download a tarball and extract it to somewhere in your home directory and you'll have rights to do stuff like change files 01:27:32 <Sionide> do you want me to tell you the commands to do that? 01:28:01 <maverique> yea 01:28:56 <Sionide> wget http://nightly.openttd.org/latest/OTTD-linux-i686-nightly-r12162.tar.gz 01:29:15 <Sionide> tar zxvf OTTD-linux-i686-nightly-r12162.tar.gz 01:29:49 <Sionide> with me so far/ 01:29:50 <Sionide> ? 01:29:54 <Sionide> do this in your home dir! 01:29:58 <Sionide> so, do 01:30:00 <Sionide> cd ~ 01:30:00 <Sionide> first 01:30:17 <Sionide> ok 01:30:22 <Sionide> wget http://nightly.openttd.org/latest/OTTD-linux-i686-nightly-r12162.tar.gz 01:30:26 <Sionide> tar zxvf OTTD-linux-i686-nightly-r12162.tar.gz 01:30:40 <Sionide> then 01:30:51 <ln-> stop! 01:30:56 <Sionide> uggghh why? 01:31:15 <ln-> for f's sake, you don't have to press enter after every word. 01:31:39 <Sionide> oh, sorry.... just trying to put commands on new lines so it's not too confusing for maverique 01:32:00 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:32:52 <maverique> i ahve it unpacjed in my home folder 01:32:56 <Sionide> cp /path/to/trg*.grf ~/OTTD-linux-i686-nightly-r12162/data 01:33:10 <Sionide> cp /path/to/sample.cat ~/OTTD-linux-i686-nightly-r12162/data 01:33:25 <Sionide> cd ~/OTTD-linux-i686-nightly-r12162 01:33:29 <Sionide> ./openttd 01:33:30 <Sionide> done 01:33:36 <Sionide> ^ works for me 01:35:10 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B762EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:35:36 <maverique> not working... 01:36:14 <ln-> congratulations for this remarkably accurate problem description. 01:36:22 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-248-192.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:36:50 <maverique> he stuck with the one installed from .deb 01:39:12 <maverique> i removed the over installed one 01:41:06 <fjb> http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ 01:41:33 <Arbitrary> shared library missing? 01:41:56 <maverique> i turned off the machine 01:42:00 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B74A94.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:42:15 <maverique> so i will freez that till i am awake again 01:42:56 <Arbitrary> :(){:|:&};: looking more attractive by the second, death by missing limits.conf 01:43:33 *** maverique [~maverique@p5B0BD448.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 01:57:29 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:10:30 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 02:13:53 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:17:03 <fjb> Good night. 02:18:09 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C7D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:28:35 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 02:45:46 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 03:02:18 *** Arbitrary [me@morgoth.alfar.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07:43 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 03:20:10 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 03:41:43 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:57:11 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@CPE-124-183-21-103.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:59:56 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493E618.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:13:02 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-16-141.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 04:17:18 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-18-90.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:18:45 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@CPE-124-183-21-103.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:27:18 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-16-141.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:48:23 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@CPE-124-183-21-103.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:59:03 *** Morloth|Gone [~bram@53542231.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:03:28 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@cpe-24-31-128-172.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 05:13:58 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-144-202.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:15:53 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-162-068.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:05:39 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@CPE-124-183-21-103.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:15:23 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:20:28 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@cpe-24-31-128-172.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:23:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i577B71A0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:30:38 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@i577B55B3.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:43:45 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm153.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 07:05:35 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@cpe-24-31-128-172.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 07:08:40 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@cpe-24-31-128-172.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [] 07:09:10 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8295D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:10:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83466.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:11:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 07:25:30 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 07:25:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 07:27:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:45:05 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N828P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 07:54:10 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:56:40 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83466.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:58:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83149.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:58:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:04:44 *** Morloth [~bram@53542231.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:26:13 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:29:29 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:39:16 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-16-141.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:51:03 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 08:51:03 <peter1138> !logs 08:51:46 <Prof_Frink> !badgers 08:58:46 <peter1138> !mushrooms 08:58:51 <peter1138> :( 08:59:02 <Gonozal_VIII> !snake 09:01:23 <Alberth> you guys are talking IRC jargon? Can someone point me to a url to learn more of this secret language? :) 09:02:06 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgers 09:02:48 <Alberth> hmm, a flash page :(, not compatible with me 09:03:01 <Alberth> tnx anyway 09:03:16 <Gonozal_VIII> no flash? poor you, missing out half of the intarwebs 09:04:25 <Alberth> I haven't yet covered the other half..... 09:05:17 *** yorick is now known as Yorick|AFK 09:05:37 <Gonozal_VIII> i've read the whole internet! twice! 09:05:52 <Gonozal_VIII> printed it out first :-) 09:06:38 <Gonozal_VIII> for every hyperlink i glued a string between the pages 09:07:05 <Alberth> you bought shares of glue companies first? 09:07:28 <Gonozal_VIII> nope, paper 09:07:57 <Alberth> how does one convert a Money object to something readable at stdout? 09:08:24 <Alberth> (or a CommandCost) 09:08:27 <Gonozal_VIII> afaik money is int 09:08:34 *** Tefad_ [~tefad@c-71-63-20-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:09:07 <Alberth> it's a overflow_safe int, but its value is private :(, bad for debugging 09:09:29 <Gonozal_VIII> cast it^^ 09:10:14 <markmc> Mornin' gusie 09:10:19 <markmc> guise* 09:10:35 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 09:10:51 <markmc> Like, good morning? 09:10:52 <markmc> :p 09:13:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host90-234-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:14:18 <Wolf01> 'morning 09:15:18 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-20-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:16:40 *** Tefad_ is now known as Tefad 09:23:15 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick_ 09:23:16 *** Yorick_ is now known as Yorick 09:40:54 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 09:41:14 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:43:17 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 09:55:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D384.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:06:24 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57558.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:07:34 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 10:19:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 10:26:34 <Gonozal_VIII> money rounding is nogoody 10:26:50 <Gonozal_VIII> there's nothing between 0 and 8 pounds 10:27:11 <Gonozal_VIII> or 0 and 1760 yen... 10:27:52 <Tefad> what the? 10:28:14 <Gonozal_VIII> no 7 pounds or lower possible 10:28:28 *** Priski- [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 10:28:36 *** Priski- [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has quit [] 10:30:12 <Gonozal_VIII> that together with nappes daylength effects cargo deivery prices means no income at all for short distance bus routes with daylength >17 10:31:22 <Tefad> okay 10:31:24 <Tefad> sounds like ass 10:31:58 <Tefad> 220 yen to pound? 10:32:34 <Gonozal_VIII> seems to be so ingame, no idea how it is in rl 10:33:46 <Gonozal_VIII> the game seems to calculate money in steps of 8 pounds... 10:33:53 <Gonozal_VIII> that's too much 10:33:59 *** Jacy [~personal@212-123-177-242.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:34:12 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@CPE-124-183-21-103.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35:22 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip208.cab23.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 10:35:41 <LordAzamath> hello 10:35:47 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 10:36:50 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 10:37:16 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@124.183.21.103] has joined #openttd 10:37:36 <Gonozal_VIII> and 8 pounds is 16 euro... that's a bit strange too but doesn't matter 10:41:34 <Tefad> so bitshift money over 3bits? 10:41:39 * Tefad shrugs 10:41:56 <Tefad> or is this an artificial quantization 10:42:03 <Tefad> the data types supports full resolution 10:42:29 <Gonozal_VIII> no idea 10:43:17 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 10:52:21 <LordAzamath> hmm.. I've got an idea 10:52:46 <LordAzamath> I'll try to help DaleStan here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=36262 10:52:59 <LordAzamath> but I need to think how will I draw it 10:53:02 <LordAzamath> hmm 10:55:36 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm extra button for invisible trees? 10:56:08 <LordAzamath> like the one in our patch options 10:56:39 <LordAzamath> invisible trees - on/off 10:57:04 <LordAzamath> but I need to think what it should be 10:57:44 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't really understand... 10:57:56 <Gonozal_VIII> the left button toggles tree invisibility... 10:58:47 <Gonozal_VIII> i mean transparency... 10:58:55 <Gonozal_VIII> left button does that... 10:59:11 <Gonozal_VIII> why not make it a three state button? 10:59:25 <LordAzamath> hmm an idea.. 10:59:44 <LordAzamath> but still needs another sprite I think.. 11:00:08 <Gonozal_VIII> hf drawing invisible^^ 11:00:15 <LordAzamath> yeah 11:01:37 <LordAzamath> is the hotkey for transparency in ttdp 'x' too? 11:01:48 <Gonozal_VIII> never played patch 11:01:58 <LordAzamath> aghh 11:02:08 <LordAzamath> need to fire up it through wine then. 11:02:18 <Gonozal_VIII> so they bumped savegame version to 89... 11:04:02 <LordAzamath> ? 11:04:20 <Gonozal_VIII> trunk 11:04:42 <Gonozal_VIII> completely unrelated to our discussion^^ 11:04:49 <LordAzamath> ok brb.. [reboot|windows|install TTDP] 11:05:00 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83149.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:19 <LordAzamath> actually.. hmm 11:05:25 <LordAzamath> it doesn't matter 11:06:29 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B824A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:06:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:07:56 <Maedhros> LordAzamath: it's 't' in patch, in case you were still interested 11:08:06 <LordAzamath> ok 11:08:12 <LordAzamath> thanks 11:08:13 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 11:10:36 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has joined #openttd 11:11:07 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:11:53 *** Jacy is now known as Jacy|AFK 11:12:24 *** Jacy|AFK [~personal@212-123-177-242.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 11:12:48 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm153.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 11:27:28 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:58 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-124-183-21-103.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:33:03 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:40:04 *** foe [~cla@c83-253-155-236.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 11:40:25 <foe> How do I host a game with planes turned off? 11:41:12 <foe> max_aircraft = 0 in openttd.cfg? 11:43:49 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:44:39 <LordAzamath> probably yes 11:45:59 <Morloth> Good day :) 11:46:57 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm153.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:47:08 *** MANTYS [~MANTYS@d71051.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:50:35 *** toms [~tom@building.adl.snnap.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:54:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 12:10:18 *** Forked [~kjetil@bruker.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:59 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 12:18:07 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:21:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12166 /trunk/src/ (depot_gui.cpp group_gui.cpp viewport.cpp window.cpp): -Fix [FS#337]: when drag&drop mode was cancelled by keyboard input, depot/group window wasn't updated (original patch by GrimRC) 12:27:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Alberth> it's a overflow_safe int, but its value is private <-- there should be like a "getValue" function 12:30:28 *** MANTYS [~MANTYS@d71051.upc-d.chello.nl] has left #openttd [] 12:30:40 <Alberth> Eddi: Hmm, maybe this one? "FORCEINLINE operator int64 () const { return this->m_value; }"? 12:31:45 <Alberth> My C++ knowledge about templated classes is terrible atm 12:35:41 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@124.183.21.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:01 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-124-183-21-103.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:36:46 *** Amis940 [~Amis@dsl5400C3F4.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 12:37:03 *** Amis940 [~Amis@dsl5400C3F4.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 12:41:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, then just cast it to int64 12:43:44 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-141-163.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:46:00 <Alberth> Ah, it's a function-call operator, "money_needed()" was the solution.... I was looking for some get(), a << operator 12:46:20 <Alberth> No need to cast it though (or maybe the 'int64' should be 'T'?) 12:50:56 *** maverique [~maverique@p5B0BD4A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:57 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 12:51:06 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-165-110.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:51:13 <Alberth> Eddi: Tnx! 12:52:18 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-208-51.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 12:53:28 <maverique> hey, everyone 12:53:38 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 12:53:50 <maverique> after a big cup of sleep now OpenTTD si working on my Ubuntu! 12:54:09 <maverique> thx to the person who agve me the hint on the unix command 12:54:33 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B824A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:54 <Gonozal_VIII> sleeping fixes compatibility problems? cool 12:55:24 <maverique> atleast mind problems 12:55:46 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:56:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8403E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:56:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:57:21 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-124-183-21-103.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:58:54 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-124-183-21-103.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:06:13 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-208-51.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:18 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-176-071.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:08:48 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:47:29 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-208-51.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 13:49:27 *** mave [~maverique@p5B0BD4A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:50:38 *** maverique [~maverique@p5B0BD4A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:50:38 *** mave is now known as maverique 13:56:05 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:25 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:05:09 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 14:08:08 <maverique> ha and now i have internet on my ubuntu ^^ 14:08:13 <LordAzamath> after a big cup of sleep, I made this: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=665729#p665729 14:08:18 <LordAzamath> comments please? :P 14:08:34 <LordAzamath> maverique: It's really not that hard ^^ 14:09:11 <maverique> yea over LAN it's just easy 14:09:17 <maverique> Wfif is really hards 14:09:32 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5C3FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:09:45 <LordAzamath> not really 14:09:53 <LordAzamath> I have wifi configured here 14:10:10 <maverique> well i ahve a CX100 14:10:13 <maverique> ACX 14:12:37 <Yorick> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=665729#p665729 <-- LA: isn't it OpenTTD instead of OpenTD> 14:13:19 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:13:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:13:40 <SmatZ> Yorick: you need only one T, because both T are the same 14:14:10 <LordAzamath> yes 14:14:29 <LordAzamath> and I didn't bother to make those R etc. signs too 14:14:35 <LordAzamath> which aren't used anymore 14:15:02 <LordAzamath> TRANSPORT TYCOON DELUXE and OPENTTD 14:15:16 <LordAzamath> a lot less letters :P 14:15:38 <LordAzamath> Shall I code? 14:15:43 <LordAzamath> or improve 14:16:20 <peter1138> I think they're a bit dull, to be honest. 14:16:22 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5EBDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:17:09 <LordAzamath> the original ones are too 14:17:58 <LordAzamath> ok.. the orgiinal ones have more contrast 14:18:09 <LordAzamath> and orange not green background 14:18:16 <LordAzamath> I can change it 14:20:54 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.198] has joined #openttd 14:23:06 <LordAzamath> peter1138: what about now? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35310&p=665729#p665729 14:26:26 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C7D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:26:31 <fjb> Hello 14:27:33 <LordAzamath> hello 14:28:42 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-208-51.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:32:40 <LordAzamath> :O 14:33:06 <LordAzamath> anyone got any idea how to replace sprites from trgir.grf? 14:34:38 <Gonozal_VIII> which one is that? 14:35:14 <LordAzamath> ahh I think I figured out how :) 14:35:23 <LordAzamath> http://www.bytetransfer.de/projects/ttdpatch/docs/spriteidmapping.php?type=0&id=43 14:35:29 <LordAzamath> this is intro 14:35:56 <LordAzamath> nice! 14:47:05 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 14:52:10 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has joined #openttd 15:03:01 *** Jacy [~personal@212-123-177-242.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:03:41 <Yorick> hello 15:09:48 *** maverique [~maverique@p5B0BD4A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 15:16:09 <Yorick> anyone here? 15:16:29 <Gonozal_VIII> bo 15:16:32 <Gonozal_VIII> mo 15:16:34 <Gonozal_VIII> no 15:17:05 <Yorick> I can see 15:19:01 <Morloth> No, I'm gone 15:25:37 <LordAzamath> hmm can anyone give me quick hint where are the cargo icons used? 15:25:45 <LordAzamath> I just want to see how they look in-game 15:25:55 <Gonozal_VIII> station list 15:26:23 <LordAzamath> and when I don't have stations? 15:26:34 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:23 <LordAzamath> and no, station list doesn't show cargo icons 15:27:53 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm 15:28:36 <Gonozal_VIII> no idea then 15:29:28 <LordAzamath> even refit list doesn't show them... 15:30:02 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:30:51 <glx> station windows 15:30:55 <glx> waiting cargo 15:31:06 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm no 15:31:35 <LordAzamath> station window that is :) 15:31:43 * LordAzamath looked to sprites.h 15:33:10 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 15:35:55 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-176-071.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:45 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm153.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 15:41:10 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-088-066-149-176.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:41:50 <dih> @seen Bjarni 15:41:51 <DorpsGek> dih: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 18 hours, 28 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <Bjarni> besides spelled in a stupid way 15:41:55 <dih> gnah 15:43:17 <peter1138> What do you need him for? 15:43:45 <peter1138> LordAzamath, that's a good idea though... 15:44:12 <LordAzamath> what's a good idea? 15:44:18 <peter1138> <LordAzamath> even refit list doesn't show them... 15:44:25 <LordAzamath> yeah :D 15:44:32 <LordAzamath> a good idea 15:45:52 <UnderBuilder> one thing I don't like about the 2x2/3x3 road placement is that each city's roads are disalligned one each other 15:46:07 <peter1138> haha 15:46:18 <dih> peter1138: he wants some documentation from me 15:46:28 <dih> which i mailed to him, just want his feedback 15:47:07 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489FB5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:42 <LordAzamath> UnderBuilder: I have thought of making a suggestion for it :D 15:49:18 *** Morloth [~bram@53542231.cable.casema.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:49:18 <dih> use 'no roads' :-P 15:51:21 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N828P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:02 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N815P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 15:52:16 <LordAzamath> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=665755#p665755 15:52:48 <Gonozal_VIII> uhglee owned land 15:54:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think the road grids can be fully synchronised 15:54:08 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489D942.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:54:36 <LordAzamath> Eddi|zuHause2: why not? 15:54:37 <Gonozal_VIII> only if you base town start positions on road layout setting 15:54:43 <LordAzamath> yes 15:54:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> the only way to achieve that would be to disallow certain coordinates 15:55:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> the town center must be on a road tile 15:55:05 <Gonozal_VIII> but you can change road layout during the game 15:58:09 *** Forked [~kjetil@bruker.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 15:59:50 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm you could restrict town center positions to every 12th tile... then the grids would always match with 2*2 and 3*3 16:00:29 <LordAzamath> erm.. why not every 6th? 16:00:38 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-088-066-149-176.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:00:54 <Gonozal_VIII> distance of the roads is 3 and 4 16:01:11 <LordAzamath> true 16:01:37 <LordAzamath> I was confuzed by 2x2 and 3x3 althought they really should be3x3 and 4x4 16:01:45 <LordAzamath> because it's road layout 16:01:54 <Ammller> Heya guys 16:01:57 <LordAzamath> not free space layout 16:02:00 <LordAzamath> heya Ammller 16:02:05 <Gonozal_VIII> hi ammler 16:02:19 <Ammller> Has someone already done a "little update" for no industry closing? 16:02:32 <Ammller> I meant a little GRF :) 16:05:29 <Ammller> hmm, is that possible anyway, or only appearing? 16:06:02 <Ammller> (http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Industries#Probability_in_random_game_17_Probability_during_gameplay_18_) 16:06:23 <Gonozal_VIII> you could set the protection period to maximum i guess... 16:06:42 <Gonozal_VIII> but i know nothing about newgrf industry stuff 16:07:02 <LordAzamath> hmm.. I'm looking at that stuff atm.. 16:09:23 <peter1138> Feh, cheats! 16:09:34 <Ammller> :) 16:09:54 <Ammller> I would like to use it on a Pass only game 16:10:23 <Gonozal_VIII> why would it matter there if industries close down? 16:10:32 <Ammller> or on coop games, we talking about 50 years until we beginn with building, so most industries are gone then 16:11:22 <Ammller> Gonozal_VIII: there are 2 things: closing and appearing 16:12:15 <Ammller> specially if you like to play a special scenario, you like to have the industries there where set. 16:17:05 <LordAzamath> hmm.. I didn't find that 16:17:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> the ECS grfs set a 5 year protection period for industry closing 16:19:12 <Ammller> Eddi|zuHause2: is this "protection" set in general or per industry? 16:19:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd assume per industry 16:20:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> i also assume it's a callback, so you could react on any kind of event... 16:30:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8403E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:06 *** Morloth [~bram@53542231.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:41:19 <Gonozal_VIII> what is gitignore? 16:41:46 <Ammller> git is an other Version management tool 16:42:06 <Ammller> Linux Kernel is developing with it 16:42:58 <Gonozal_VIII> thanks 16:43:07 <Gonozal_VIII> and what is gitignore? 16:43:11 <Ammller> :) 16:51:36 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-189-178.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 16:57:44 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-130-237.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 17:01:01 <peter1138> It's a list of filenames to ignore. 17:01:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12167 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Feature(tte): change colour of autorail and autoroad selection when Ctrl is pressed 17:01:55 <Yorick> you mean it becomes red on removing-mode? 17:02:01 <SmatZ> yeah 17:02:07 <Yorick> nice 17:02:28 <LordAzamath> hmm.. is there a hotkey for auto-road? 17:03:49 <Yorick> no 17:04:47 <LordAzamath> agh 17:04:53 <LordAzamath> there should be 17:05:27 <LordAzamath> because even now, I don't use autorail to get building rails, but to open rail toolbar 17:05:45 <LordAzamath> eg. if I want to place depots or stuff 17:06:23 <LordAzamath> And it kinda disturbs that I can't do it with road stuff 17:06:28 <peter1138> SmatZ, nice patch ;) 17:06:56 <SmatZ> thanks peter1138 :) 17:07:40 <LordAzamath> and shift+f8 isn't kinda... quick way to get to raoad toolbar... 17:07:45 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: bbl] 17:08:21 <Gonozal_VIII> f stuff is hard to find 17:08:43 <Gonozal_VIII> the light of the screen isn't very bright up there... 17:09:21 <LordAzamath> hmm.. what's ctrl+a used now? 17:10:49 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:12:00 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-121-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:07 *** Yexo [Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 17:21:32 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip208.cab23.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 17:23:15 <Morloth> Does someone know about any code guidelines put up especially for the NoAI branch? 17:23:43 <Morloth> I'm wondering because all methods in the API are static (or at least should be), is this the it's ment to be? 17:23:52 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:00 <Morloth> *is this the way it's ment to be?* 17:24:12 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:26:07 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-130-237.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:27:45 <glx> Morloth: I think it's needed for interfacing in squirrel 17:28:38 <Morloth> glx: You mean squirrel can't cope with non-static functions? 17:29:41 <Ammller> I got accidentially to this channel on freenode 17:29:58 <glx> binding in squirrel is done with things like SQAIAbstractList.DefSQMethod(engine, &AIAbstractList::Clear, "Clear", 1, "x"); 17:30:00 <Ammller> there are about 5-10 users there 17:30:25 <Ammller> topic: This unofficial channel is available as needed. Please consult the project website for its official IRC location. Thank you for using freenode! 17:30:34 <Morloth> Ammller: I know, have been there ;) 17:31:48 <Morloth> glx: But is there going to be a problem -say- when I try to add new non-static functions to the AI API? 17:32:10 <glx> I don't know 17:32:29 <glx> but I think it doesn't work 17:32:48 <Morloth> k, I was just curious :) 17:50:09 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-130-237.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 17:54:05 <Morloth> glx: Will you have time to review another patch? 17:55:58 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 18:05:09 <glx> maybe 18:07:01 <Morloth> K, wait up I'll post it for you 18:08:46 *** Jortuny [~octernion@rrdhcp62-417.redrover.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 18:12:40 <Morloth> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1779 18:14:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i577B71A0.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i577B71A0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:14:47 <glx> where is the diff ? ;) 18:14:54 <Morloth> I attached it right? 18:15:12 <glx> no file attached 18:15:14 <Morloth> That's odd... Let me try again 18:17:16 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-130-237.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:17:22 <Morloth> That's weird, I can attach files for some reason... 18:17:25 <Morloth> can't 18:18:32 <Morloth> If I try to do it, Flyspray tries to return to the main page but only shows the title bar and only my message without the attachment is posted... 18:19:08 <Morloth> Could it be some kind of virus scanner or something that's blocking that content? 18:19:19 <glx> out of space I think 18:19:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12168 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Fix: behave a bit better when 'R' is pressed during rail station dragging 18:20:16 <Morloth> Hmmz... odd 18:20:31 <SmatZ> I think there appears a file with zero size when it is out of disk space 18:21:04 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B817B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:21:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:22:26 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-130-237.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 18:32:41 *** Yorick is now known as Yorick|AFL 18:32:43 *** Yorick|AFL is now known as Yorick|AFK 18:36:22 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip208.cab23.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:36:26 <LordAzamath> hilao 18:36:28 <LordAzamath> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35310&p=665830#p665830 18:36:33 <LordAzamath> a little thing 18:41:08 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:35 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 18:51:22 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C7D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Realworld is calling.] 18:51:56 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B817B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 18:56:21 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:56:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:59:34 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:54 <peter1138> NEW PBS 19:00:59 * peter1138 dances 19:01:24 <Gonozal_VIII> w00t 19:01:43 <Yorick> w00t? 19:01:52 <Yorick> looks 19:01:57 <Gonozal_VIII> yay 19:02:01 <Bjarni> t00w? 19:02:03 <Yorick> oooh 19:02:08 <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni! 19:02:09 <Yorick> new pbs 19:02:13 <Yorick> Bjarni! 19:02:26 <Bjarni> I know that 19:04:06 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p54970992.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:04:25 <Roujin> !seen Gonozal_VIII 19:04:31 <Roujin> @seen Gonozal_VIII 19:04:31 <DorpsGek> Roujin: Gonozal_VIII was last seen in #openttd 2 minutes and 23 seconds ago: <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni! 19:04:38 <Roujin> Gonozal! 19:05:06 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 19:05:31 <Roujin> hey, would you be so kind as to read my post in your patchpack thread and reply? ;) 19:05:35 <michi_cc> have fun :) 19:05:52 <Roujin> michi_cc cheers @ new yapp version :) 19:06:18 <peter1138> yararararar 19:06:29 *** Jortuny [~octernion@rrdhcp62-417.redrover.cornell.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:30 <peter1138> But damn this laptop being so slow ;( 19:06:39 <Roujin> sorry for butting in like this xD 19:06:50 <Gonozal_VIII> you don't have to ask for that ;-) 19:06:51 * peter1138 was coding a new feature but has stopped that for this ;p 19:07:18 <Gonozal_VIII> but maybe you should use the version i made half an hour ago^^ 19:07:19 <michi_cc> oh noes, I'm hindering OpenTTD development :) 19:07:41 <Roujin> well I wanted to ask because it seemed rude for me to just do that without asking you ;) 19:07:58 <Roujin> Gonozal: which revision would that be? 19:08:11 <Gonozal_VIII> 12166 19:08:35 <Roujin> so that's not uploaded yet, but you will soon i guess? 19:08:35 <peter1138> But that wouldn't be the latest version of YAPP... 19:09:08 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm not talking about yapp, i'm talking about roujins patches 19:09:34 <Roujin> if you want to upgrade to 12168 and include latest YAPP before releasing a new version of your pack, please do so 19:09:46 <Roujin> don't hurry because of me ;) 19:09:46 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-130-237.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:09:53 <Gonozal_VIII> soon is relative, i'm just updating and testing all the patches... have to check the new yapp too ofcourse 19:10:22 <Gonozal_VIII> i'll pm it to you 19:10:32 <peter1138> Bonus, I've just been given some warm flapjack... 19:10:45 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-130-237.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 19:10:45 * Roujin googles for flapjack oO 19:11:04 * Roujin guesses it's something M-rated 19:11:53 <Roujin> hmmmm 19:11:55 <Roujin> A flapjack can be a kind of hydraulic machine, and it is also a reference to a professional wrestling throw. 19:11:55 <Roujin> A flapjack is also a derogatory term for a person from an indistinguishable country of origin. 19:12:06 <orudge> yum, flapjack 19:12:22 <Gonozal_VIII> now where's the attachement gone to... 19:12:38 * Roujin guesses peter has just been given a warm professional wrestling throw. 19:13:11 <Gonozal_VIII> you've got mail roujin 19:13:33 <Bjarni> Roujin: thanks for a pointless highlight :/ 19:13:52 <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni. 19:13:58 <Gonozal_VIII> see, not pointless :-) 19:14:08 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: !thanks for a pointless highlight 19:14:16 <peter1138> Somehow Roujin's google is broken. 19:14:22 <Gonozal_VIII> [20:13:51] <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni. <-- point! 19:15:14 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:15:16 <Roujin> gonozal: your message may have contained too few characters, but the attachment was very enjoyable. Thank you ;) 19:15:21 <Gonozal_VIII> now to revert all the stuff belugas changed in unmovable cmd... 19:15:54 <peter1138> Ah, the signal GUI understands PBS now :D 19:16:10 <Roujin> what? what i wrote was on the wiki page for flapjack, just after the normal meaning, under "Other usage".... 19:16:21 <Yorick> it did before, peter1138 19:16:22 <Roujin> what's wrong with that? :P 19:16:37 <peter1138> Yorick, maybe I only tested it with version 1... 19:16:38 <Bjarni> everything! 19:17:01 <Morloth> *noob question*: What does PBS stand for? I read it everywhere and everybody is very excited about it... But what is it!? :) 19:17:11 <Yorick> PathBasedSignalling 19:17:12 <Bjarni> it's great :D 19:17:20 <Morloth> Aaaaaah, ok :) 19:17:37 <Bjarni> Yorick: you should get your space key checked. It seems to be broken 19:17:43 <Morloth> Yorick: thx :) 19:17:59 <Yorick> no, PBS is written without spaces... 19:18:10 <Bjarni> since when? 19:18:31 <Yorick> since its called "PBS" 19:18:36 <Bjarni> I thought we agreed to stick to a non corrupted way of writing English in the game :s 19:19:16 <Bjarni> DB = Deutsche Bahn, not DeutscheBahn 19:19:28 <Jacy> Yorick, what's the point of leaving the spaces out? 19:19:36 <Roujin> it makes signalling more intuitive for new players that don't understand presignals, and makes all knowledge OpenTTD gurus have about presignals obsolete :P 19:19:45 <Yorick> having to write less spaces, Jacy :-P 19:19:49 <Bjarni> he wants to butcher a perfectly fine language 19:20:18 <peter1138> Roujin, and it rocks... 19:20:24 <Bjarni> I can understand Asian people having problems with spaces but Yorick... 19:20:25 *** Jortuny [~octernion@hermes.mae.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 19:20:26 <peter1138> Bjarni, that's okay, you manage it too. 19:20:40 <Roujin> oh yes it does. 19:20:45 <Yorick> I wanted to answer before anyone else did :> 19:21:27 <Roujin> doesn't mean i don't like pbs, i just wrote a true statement ;) 19:21:49 <Bjarni> peter1138: you know I write full words only and max one word between each set of whitespace 19:23:49 <LordAzamath> arghh... why don't you do something useful? like comment on this: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=665852#p665852 19:24:08 <Yorick> because its Bjarni 19:24:16 <LordAzamath> but instead you have conversations about whitespace :S 19:24:23 <Yorick> because its Bjarni 19:24:36 <LordAzamath> that explains everything 19:24:38 <LordAzamath> ..or not 19:24:40 <Yorick> because its Bjarni 19:24:50 <LordAzamath> it? 19:24:56 <LordAzamath> I thought you were a bot 19:25:00 <LordAzamath> not he 19:25:05 <LordAzamath> ^^ 19:25:09 <Yorick> maybe I am 19:25:13 <Yorick> ..or not 19:25:35 <LordAzamath> ok whatever :D, but comments? 19:25:48 <Yorick> I'm a bot, remember, I can't comment 19:26:08 <LordAzamath> or not 19:26:19 <Yorick> yes, ..or not 19:27:04 <Roujin> hmm.. don't really know what to say - looks well to me but i'm not a graphic expert ;) 19:27:50 <Roujin> it just gave me the idea that the four icons could show the same scenery, just in their respective flavor 19:28:28 <Roujin> don't know if this would look nice or boring ingame though... 19:28:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D384.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:44 <LordAzamath> I had the same idea, but I think too, it'd look boring in-game... 19:32:20 <Bjarni> !comment 19:32:27 <Bjarni> @comment 19:32:31 <Bjarni> LAG 19:32:38 <ben_goodger> lag 0.2s 19:32:39 <Bjarni> the Yorick is slow :s 19:32:46 <ben_goodger> 0.6s 19:32:48 <Bjarni> we need to fix that bot 19:32:49 <Yorick> 0.6 19:33:24 <LordAzamath> !fix Yorick 19:33:26 <Yorick> Error: not enough arguments, expected 1, got 2 19:33:44 <LordAzamath> ^^ 19:34:44 <Bjarni> !fix Yorick ASAP 19:35:03 <Yorick> Error: not enough arguments, expected 1, got 2 19:35:12 <Bjarni> !fix Yorick right away 19:35:15 <Yorick> Error: not enough arguments, expected 1, got 3 19:35:21 <Bjarni> !fix 19:35:24 <Yorick> Error: not enough arguments, expected 1, got 0 19:35:30 <Bjarni> ! 19:35:36 <peter1138> !fix what? 19:35:39 <Yorick> Error: unknown command 19:35:49 <Bjarni> this is not going to work 19:35:52 <peter1138> :( 19:35:55 <Yorick> Error: what? no nick/channel 19:35:59 <peter1138> !fix it for me, jim? 19:36:00 <Bjarni> luckily I have another idea 19:36:13 * Bjarni takes Yorick to the vet to get it fixed 19:36:21 <Yorick> Error: you can't take a bot 19:36:33 <Bjarni> watch me 19:36:40 <Yorick> aaaw 19:36:42 <Yorick> no needles! 19:36:54 <Bjarni> ok 19:37:08 <Bjarni> you would have wished for the needles afterwards though 19:37:19 <Bjarni> man this is silly 19:37:25 <ben_goodger> fix __self__ 19:37:33 <ben_goodger> !fix __self__ 19:37:38 <Yorick> Error: you no nick/channel 19:37:38 <Bjarni> Yorick: you have a degrading influence on the channel 19:37:42 <ben_goodger> hmm 19:37:56 <Yorick> success: fixed __self__ 19:38:05 <ben_goodger> actually __self__ calls the bot, not me 19:38:32 <Yorick> one must say: !def __self__ 19:38:47 <Bjarni> #define __self__ Yorick 19:38:56 <Yorick> __self__ set to ben_goodger 19:39:08 <Bjarni> !fix __self__ 19:39:18 <Bjarni> oops 19:39:19 <Yorick> Success: fixed ben_goodger 19:39:26 <Bjarni> sorry 19:39:54 <Bjarni> ben_goodger: I hope you can explain your future wife that you can't have children due to an IRC bot error 19:40:19 <peter1138> So, yes, useful stuff... 19:40:27 <Bjarni> well 19:40:35 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: I SAID GOOD DAY] 19:40:45 <Bjarni> either you guys shut up, talk seriously or I'm out of here 19:41:17 <Yorick> Error: shutup unknown command 19:41:22 <Roujin> i choose option 2. 19:41:38 <Roujin> hmm, i guess i should bump the savegame version with my traffic lights patch... 19:41:39 <ben_goodger> I don't intend to be married or reproduce. I think it's ecologically irresponsible 19:41:51 <ben_goodger> Roujin: traffic lights? 19:41:53 <Bjarni> ooh 19:41:59 <Bjarni> you make Darwin proud 19:42:02 <Bjarni> or something 19:42:22 <Roujin> if loading a game saved with it with trunk, the tile owner is shown as "someone" <-- i find that funny ^^ 19:42:24 <ben_goodger> heh 19:42:54 <Roujin> ben_goodger: check my thread in the development forum ;) no release yet though, just some screenshots... 19:43:25 <ben_goodger> rightyho 19:43:52 <peter1138> ben_goodger, marriage is ecologically irresponsible? :o 19:44:01 <LordAzamath> !get_sleep LordAzamath 19:44:08 <Roujin> I hope I didn't break anything by using the m1 bits 5-7 for my traffic lights :P 19:44:23 <LordAzamath> gnight 19:44:27 <Yorick> Success: set LordAzamath.mode to sleep 19:44:28 <Roujin> night LA 19:44:30 <Bjarni> peter1138: I think it means in his case not generally 19:44:37 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip208.cab23.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 19:44:43 <ben_goodger> it's a very large amount of wasted time and money. _reproduction_ is ecologically irresponsible :P 19:44:48 <peter1138> Bjarni, ah... well I've nothing against gay people. 19:44:48 <Bjarni> and I think he mainly meant reproduction 19:45:19 <ben_goodger> *ahem* 19:46:29 <Bjarni> ben_goodger: the Chinese government would love your point of view 19:46:42 <ben_goodger> they share it, in fact 19:47:41 <ben_goodger> britain is not yet nearly as overpopulated, but we face a similar problem. house prices are due to increase by 180% in the next two years, and we need to find 10 million new homes by 2020 to fit everyone in 19:48:10 <Bjarni> then why not just close the boarders so the problem will go away? 19:48:39 <ben_goodger> because then we'd be no better than the chinese used to be 19:49:00 <Bjarni> your point is? 19:49:36 <ben_goodger> I don't have a point 19:49:43 <Bjarni> I noticed 19:50:10 <peter1138> "find 10 million new homes" ... are they buried then? 19:50:33 <Gonozal_VIII> austrias population doesn't increase, it's been the same for decades 19:50:40 <ben_goodger> well, actually my point is that we need to build 10 million houses in the next decade to cope with increases in population, and that this is bad but no sensible solution presents itself 19:51:00 <ben_goodger> Gonozal_VIII: australia presumably doesn't have millions of eastern europeans flocking to it to do the crap jobs 19:51:14 <Bjarni> ben_goodger: I just told you one but it looks like you decided to ignore it 19:51:16 <Gonozal_VIII> austria, not australia :P 19:51:19 <Gonozal_VIII> and we have 19:51:24 <ben_goodger> oh, austria. 19:51:46 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: I didn't ignore it, I said it was as bad as the chinese government's former policies 19:52:03 <Gonozal_VIII> most foreigners per native bla in europe 19:52:47 <Bjarni> ben_goodger: I fail to see what you mean 19:53:28 <Bjarni> it's your country. You should be able to say "I don't want you to move in here because we don't have room for you" 19:53:41 <ben_goodger> we should be able to, yes 19:53:50 <Bjarni> I didn't mean closed boarders like North Korea 19:53:58 *** markmc [~me@h240n1fls304o1036.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Screw you guy, I'm going home and smoke pot] 19:54:06 <ben_goodger> unfortunately, we need this influx of labour 19:55:23 <ben_goodger> anyway, I need to get back to work on my thermoelectrics project 19:55:25 <Bjarni> either that or start to consider why you need more labour than earlier even though you have machines to do many of the labour demanding tasks 19:55:40 <ben_goodger> we don't need more labour than before 19:55:49 <Bjarni> then why do you need to import it? 19:56:08 <ben_goodger> the problem is that the pakistanis we imported in the 50s all have children with degrees now, and they're getting decent jobs 19:56:24 <peter1138> Nobody wants to be a plumber these days... 19:56:36 <Roujin> if i may butt in this .. eh.. interesting discussion about politics; does maybe someone know if there's a svn .diff highlighter for the editor ConTEXT? 19:56:48 <ben_goodger> peter1138: precisely 19:56:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.gidf.de 19:57:27 <Bjarni> so importing a plumber who will not make his children plumbers will solve the problem? 19:57:37 <Bjarni> it sounds like it's a short sighted solution 19:57:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, it delays the problem to the next generation 19:57:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's how all western communities work 19:57:59 <ben_goodger> well, it will probably take a few decades for the problem to reoccur 19:58:07 <ben_goodger> but yes, it's incredibly shortsighted 19:58:14 <ben_goodger> unfortunately, nobody seems to have any better ideas 19:58:19 <Roujin> okay, let me rephrase that. Is someone who is using ConTEXT in possession of a .svn diff highlighter for it and might tell me where he got it from because I was unable to find one myself? 19:58:45 <Roujin> better now, eddi?.. :P 19:58:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have never heard of an editor named ConTEXT 19:58:52 <Bjarni> Roujin: I didn't ignore you, I just don't know the answer :/ 19:59:03 <Bjarni> due to the same reason as Eddi|zuHause2 19:59:04 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-124-183-21-103.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:00:13 <Bjarni> <ben_goodger> unfortunately, nobody seems to have any better ideas <-- that shouldn't be that hard 20:00:34 <ben_goodger> seems to be quite hard 20:00:39 <Bjarni> if you got the guts to rule 20:00:47 <ben_goodger> the governments have been failing to correct it for some time 20:00:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> actually, germany has other kind of population problems 20:01:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> the academics people have too little growth 20:01:18 *** pm_away [~chatzilla@Fce6b.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 20:01:27 <Bjarni> they all use a timescale that goes from now to the next election 20:01:30 *** pm_away is now known as planetmaker 20:01:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> and the uneducated people relying on social welfare reproduce like rabbits 20:01:50 <ben_goodger> Eddi|zuHause2: we have them as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav 20:01:58 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: solution: stop longtime social welfare 20:02:46 <peter1138> ben_goodger, well the governments are still obsessed with getting 99% of the kids into university... 20:02:57 <peter1138> "well duh" 20:03:15 <Roujin> assumption: the educated people have forgotten over their studies how to reproduce 20:03:21 <ben_goodger> not as obsessed as you would think 20:03:24 <Bjarni> that can only be possible if you lower the quality of the universities enough to allow everybody 20:03:26 <Roujin> solution: teach the educated people how to reproduce 20:04:16 * Yorick got highlighted? 20:05:10 <Bjarni> Roujin: the solution would be to cut social welfare and use the saved money for making the financial situation for high educated people better so they can afford to get children 20:05:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> peter1138: here, they are trying to get the people to go to university, but they also butcher the finance of these universities 20:06:10 <ben_goodger> mm 20:06:31 <ben_goodger> none of this solves the housing problem, incidentally. 20:06:45 <ben_goodger> but I must get back to work on my thermoelectrics project. 20:06:51 <ben_goodger> see you later-ish 20:06:51 <Bjarni> also we need to get away from the red economy model where everybody has to get such a high salary that it's better for a university professor to take time off to spend a long time setting up say a toilet than to pay a professional to do so 20:07:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> housing problems? we have 50% empty living space 20:07:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> we did have housing problems, but they magically solved themselves in 1989 20:08:01 <ben_goodger> hehe 20:08:03 <Bjarni> I mean the time needed to work to pay the paycheck of the professional is like 5-10 hours. It could take say 2 for an untrained guy to set it up meaning it's faster to do it yourself 20:08:16 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B788CB.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:08:23 <Bjarni> btw I didn't make up this example 20:08:27 <Bjarni> I know it to be true 20:08:32 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB66FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:34 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 20:08:39 <Bjarni> and it's not about toilets only 20:08:42 <Bjarni> it's everything 20:08:49 <Bjarni> doors, windows and everything like that 20:10:21 <ln-> welll what can you expect from a species descending from telephone sanitizers. 20:11:41 <Bjarni> what is telephone sanitizers? 20:14:35 <Bjarni> nobody knows? 20:14:46 <ln-> a person who sanitizes telephones, of course. 20:15:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12169 /trunk/src/sound.cpp: 20:15:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Change [FS#1696]: play sounds when there is only small part of tile/vehicle visible too (original idea by Dominik) 20:15:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: It improves the game appearance when playing with very small screen resolution 20:15:52 <ln-> i'm guessing Bjarni is currently in transition from W-T to F. 20:15:58 <Bjarni> no... google define: didn't make sense of it either 20:16:04 <Bjarni> I meant your sentence 20:16:53 <Prof_Frink> ln-: And hairdressers 20:19:08 <ln-> yes, hairdressers and management consultants should not be forgotten. 20:24:21 *** Axamentia [~SlayerRag@78-105-140-209.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:26:43 <ln-> anyway, 20:56 -!- Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:02 < Gonozal_VIII> bjarni! 21:02 < Yorick> Bjarni! 20:26:53 <Yorick> ln-! 20:27:05 <Prof_Frink> ln -s! 20:27:46 <Yorick> Prof_Frink! 20:27:47 <Yorick> Yorick! 20:27:56 <Yorick> Bjarni! 20:28:00 *** Axmentia666 [~SlayerRag@78-105-140-209.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:28:20 <Prof_Frink> for name in *; do echo ${name}!; done 20:28:30 <Yorick> Axmentia666! wait...I don't know you 20:28:47 <Yorick> Prof_Frink: just say @seen * and it will be executed...sort off 20:28:57 <ln-> Bjarni: you know, if you idled here 24/7, you could come and go without your join being celebrated like the second coming of Bjarni every time. 20:29:33 <Prof_Frink> Also, you could use a superior client. 20:30:03 <peter1138> People celebrate Bjarni's return? :o 20:30:10 <Axmentia666> maybe you dont yorick lol 20:30:41 <Yorick> Axmentia666! (wait-I don't know him...) 20:30:56 <Yorick> People! 20:31:32 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [peter1138!] 20:32:10 <Prof_Frink> Things! 20:32:29 *** Axamentia [~SlayerRag@78-105-140-209.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:01 *** Axmentia666 is now known as Axamentia 20:34:46 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:53 <ben_goodger> ln-: I think there were also marketing analysts 20:38:47 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:38:49 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:39:22 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@e28236.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:40:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:40:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> never trust a statistics that you did not fake yourself 20:41:02 <Axamentia> Eddi: hahaah 20:41:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, it's the first thing they teach you ;) 20:43:41 <Gonozal_VIII> yep 20:48:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 20:54:04 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fce6b.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:26 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 21:01:52 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:07:29 *** foe [~cla@c83-253-155-236.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: foe] 21:08:24 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:12:32 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@e28236.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:12:50 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fce6b.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 21:13:40 <Bjarni> I'm out of here 21:13:48 <NukeBuster> bye 21:13:53 <Bjarni> now you all the time until tomorrow to prepare celebrating me again 21:13:56 <Bjarni> (if you like) 21:14:22 <Bjarni> knowing this channel I presume some of you will in fact do that o_O 21:14:30 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:15:20 *** Jacy [~personal@212-123-177-242.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:20:33 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57558.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:39 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 21:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, it's 1984 an i have a E16 that is still good for over 20 years... 21:27:46 <Gonozal_VIII> so? 21:28:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12170 /trunk/src/ (road_cmd.cpp tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp): -Fix: do not draw trees along road and street lights under low bridges (spotted by _minime_) 21:30:35 <Roujin> thats funny 21:31:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, E16 was constructed like in the mid 20's 21:31:16 <Roujin> i also spotted this short time ago 21:31:27 <Roujin> sorry eddi, but i meant the commit :P 21:31:44 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57558.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:31:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> sorry Roujin, i meant Gonozal_VIII :p 21:31:54 <Roujin> heh 21:32:03 <Roujin> touché 21:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> PS: i spotted that quite a while ago, but it didn't bother me enough 21:32:32 <Roujin> time for me to get some food, so i'm away for now ^_^ 21:32:36 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57558.versanet.de] has quit [] 21:32:58 *** Roujin is now known as Roujin|away 21:39:48 *** Axamentia [~SlayerRag@78-105-140-209.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:03 *** Mwa [~lexi@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #openttd 21:44:11 <Mwa> Hi. ^_^ 21:44:25 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 21:44:45 <Mwa> I was just wondering, what are Transmitters, and can I remove them in any way? 21:45:08 <Gonozal_VIII> radio, tv, cell phone stuff... 21:45:12 <Gonozal_VIII> can't remove them 21:45:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> like lighthouses, their only purpose is to annoy the player ;) 21:45:56 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-161-204.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:46:03 <Gonozal_VIII> exactly :-) 21:48:13 <Mwa> Curses. There's one that is only just stopping me from making an intercontinental airport 21:48:20 *** Madassassin [Madassasin@86.126.78.45] has joined #openttd 21:51:28 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 21:52:11 *** Madassassin [Madassasin@86.126.78.45] has quit [] 21:57:00 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fce6b.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57:05 <Gonozal_VIII> those 10000000 newlines at the end of main_gui.cpp and rail_gui.cpp keep confusing tortoise, can't somebody remove them? please... 22:07:49 <Wolf01> 'night 22:07:54 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host90-234-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:09:17 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:09:49 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 22:11:19 *** lobster is now known as MrMann 22:11:42 *** MrMann is now known as lobster 22:12:33 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 22:12:58 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 22:14:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D384.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:15:17 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B60E32.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 22:15:24 *** Jortuny [~octernion@hermes.mae.cornell.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:39 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-130-237.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:17:53 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B788CB.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:19 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 22:25:48 <Mwa> airports should be rotatable. >: 22:36:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: i think it's something wrong at your end 22:36:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> like mixup between different line endings or something 22:37:57 <glx> the main problem is tortoise :) 22:38:19 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 22:41:10 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B60E32.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:44:38 <Gonozal_VIII> no eddi... happens with all patches that change those files 22:45:05 <glx> only with tortoise, so the problem is tortoise 22:45:18 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-130-237.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 22:49:08 *** Axamentia [~SlayerRag@78-105-140-209.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:50:00 *** Mwa [~lexi@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:34 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 22:54:40 <Morloth> Hmmz... are some devs online ATM? I notice there are some functions I need for my AI (like getting the cost to build a certain vehicle), which are online declared in *.cpp files. I can't include them so I can't use them right now. 22:55:10 <Morloth> Would it be possible to declare all functions in the roadveh_cmd / aircraft_cmd / etc. in seperate header files? 22:55:33 <peter1138> Isn't getting cost a command function? 22:56:34 <Morloth> well, I could go into 'test mode', build what I want and check how much money it cost me. But I figured it would be cleaner to ask it directly instead of simulating it 22:57:39 <peter1138> The old AIs use DC_QUERY_COST, I suspect NoAIs should too, but I know pretty much nothing about NoAI... 22:58:14 <peter1138> Sleepy time 22:58:25 <Morloth> nn peter1138, thx for your comments :) 22:59:00 <peter1138> Good night :) 22:59:02 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 22:59:25 <NukeBuster> anyone here with some experience with linking object files? 23:01:13 <Morloth> NukeBuster: Some, not an awfull lot :) 23:01:52 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 23:03:35 <NukeBuster> Morloth, I get this error: http://paste.openttd.org/587 23:04:29 <NukeBuster> Also the compile command for map.o 23:04:38 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 23:04:46 <NukeBuster> http://paste.openttd.org/588 23:06:10 <Morloth> let me see 23:06:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-141-163.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:08:50 <Morloth> (not to familiar with g++), but shouldn't you use 'ld' for linking? 23:09:24 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-130-237.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:09:50 <NukeBuster> not sure... it says ld returned exit status 23:09:59 <Morloth> Yeah, that's kinda odd... 23:10:03 <NukeBuster> so i guess g++ uses ld to link 23:11:18 <Morloth> but what happens if you try: 'ld -L/usr/local/lib -o te map.o calender.o client.o client_reactions.o themes.o gridarray.o exco.o gui.o renderer.o render_page.o server.o task.o main.o' ? 23:12:25 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:13:09 <NukeBuster> map.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized 23:14:33 <Morloth> try 'ls -al map.o'. How big is that file? 23:15:12 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has joined #openttd 23:15:16 <NukeBuster> 11133760 feb 18 00:00 map.o 23:16:10 <NukeBuster> around 10MB? 23:17:23 <Morloth> I don't really know what goes wrong, have you tried cleaning all your objects and recompiling? 23:17:35 <NukeBuster> yes, several times... 23:17:46 <NukeBuster> could it be because of libraries not included? 23:18:17 <NukeBuster> Is this line correct? : http://paste.openttd.org/588 23:19:13 <Morloth> look ok to me, although I don't know all the options you've included... 23:19:22 <Morloth> but then again, never used OGRE :) 23:20:10 <NukeBuster> haha 23:20:34 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-165-110.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:20:46 <NukeBuster> well you'll have to talk to Uzurpator about that... I'm just trying to port the code so it compiles with gcc 23:21:53 <Morloth> Well I don't see any errors in your compile / link lines to be honest 23:23:13 <Morloth> although you don't need al the -I options during linking 23:23:22 <Morloth> but that shouldn't cause this problem... 23:24:10 <NukeBuster> the -i or the -l 23:26:07 <Morloth> -i 23:26:10 <Morloth> you need the -L :) 23:26:34 <Morloth> but are all object files bad? 23:26:48 <NukeBuster> I have tried changing the order but then the next in line is bad 23:27:05 <Morloth> So client.o gives the same error? 23:27:24 <Morloth> but then with client.o nog being recognized? 23:34:34 <NukeBuster> yes 23:34:37 <NukeBuster> exactly 23:36:07 <NukeBuster> exactly 23:36:20 <NukeBuster> http://paste.openttd.org/589 23:38:31 <Morloth> ok, try renaming all your objectfiles from *.o to *.obj 23:38:31 <Morloth> see if it works that way 23:38:55 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-189-178.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:15 <NukeBuster> ok 23:43:06 <NukeBuster> It is compiling 23:44:21 <Morloth> it's working? 23:44:34 <NukeBuster> it's not linking yet 23:45:11 <NukeBuster> nou compiling the last obj 23:45:20 <Morloth> ok :) 23:46:16 <NukeBuster> hmm 23:46:18 <NukeBuster> forgot 2 files 23:46:21 *** Gonozal [~Gonozal_V@N712P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:46:21 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest357 23:46:21 *** Gonozal is now known as Gonozal_VIII 23:47:11 <NukeBuster> http://paste.openttd.org/590 23:48:30 <Morloth> Vreemd... 23:48:38 <NukeBuster> gehe 23:48:48 <Morloth> Net zo makkelijk toch? ;) 23:49:55 *** Guest357 [~Gonozal_V@N815P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:31 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-178-242.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 23:51:32 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-178-242.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 23:51:58 *** Audigex [~Audigex@84.13.245.220] has joined #openttd 23:53:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, i still have not connected half the map... 23:53:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> and i only have very few towns 23:53:49 <Audigex> i just realised 23:53:55 <Audigex> that my ping to my FTP server 23:54:01 <Audigex> is 10ms 23:54:07 <Audigex> and my seek time on my laptop hard drive 23:54:12 <Audigex> is an average of 12ms 23:54:14 <Audigex> so in theory 23:54:21 <Audigex> i can access my FTP server 23:54:24 <Audigex> faster then my hard drive 23:54:33 <Audigex> score 23:54:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> seek time != transfer speed 23:54:42 <Audigex> shh ;) 23:54:45 <Audigex> shattering my dream 23:54:52 <Audigex> i was about to revolutionise the world of electronics 23:55:03 <Audigex> "Just put all your shit on my FTP server" 23:55:05 <Audigex> i'd make milliomns 23:55:08 <Audigex> *millions 23:55:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, go do that 23:56:21 <Audigex> :) 23:58:27 *** Roujin|away [~Roujin@p54970992.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 23:59:00 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 23:59:53 *** Audigex [~Audigex@84.13.245.220] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?]