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up in the wrong/a new company if I try to load 01:28:57 <oh> ah 01:29:03 <oh> cheers :) 01:29:20 <oh> autoclean is the devil 01:29:39 <glx> or start a local server, load the game and join our company with another client 01:29:51 <glx> *your 01:35:15 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:39:08 <oh> I think I'm effectively killing maarten's 1940-2000 server :S 01:42:08 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D13.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:00:18 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 02:00:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 02:00:27 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1F89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 02:04:30 *** mikegrb_ [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 02:04:36 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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09:12:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 09:19:29 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:32:31 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 09:38:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12341 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r11224) [FS#1827]: GRM buffer for cargos was incorrect size. 09:40:32 <peter1138> @openttd bugs 09:40:33 <DorpsGek> peter1138: Open Bugs: 28; Not assigned: 22; Closed this week: 16; Opened this week: 15 09:40:33 <SpComb> OpenTTD DRM! 09:40:35 <peter1138> Hmm 09:40:58 <peter1138> DRM in open source? hehehe 09:58:31 <SpComb> hmm, I was somehow under the vauge impression that PBS had gotten into trunk, but I appear to be delusional 10:06:46 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-167-79-173.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:42 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-167-79-173.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:14:00 <peter1138> And also delusional that âgottenâ is a word in English... 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OpenTTD: -Fix(r12340): In order to avoid confusion, SIGN should be used for signs and SIGNAL for signals :) 11:41:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Always check your terms with your nearest british ;) 11:44:48 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@134.102.236.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:57 *** CmdKewin [cmdkewin@212.243.72.198] has quit [] 11:59:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80D85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:01:15 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80C3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:01:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:02:12 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:02:51 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@90.209.238.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:06:16 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-129-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:11:58 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-107-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12:26 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 12:12:52 *** mikl 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I don't find it in the comit messages. 12:55:46 <SmatZ> it went away 12:55:54 <SmatZ> it was unused 12:56:13 <SmatZ> http://git.openttd.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=svn/trunk.git;a=commit;h=a44847f2e4d12413df1a277d3e1f1b99c66794d9 12:57:02 <fjb> Ah, thank you. 12:57:29 <fjb> Now I have to find out what the yapp patch does to that file. 13:02:58 <peter1138> I don't think YAPP used it. 13:03:55 <peter1138> It fixed it, but it wasn't needed anyway. Or something. 13:08:45 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:51 <fjb> Oh, ok. Then I will just skip that part of the patch. 13:15:30 *** snorre [~snorre@84.53.58.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:16:57 <fjb> Is the vehicle pool patch that patch that was talked about to go into trunk after the feature freeze? 13:25:05 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:26:08 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:03 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 13:28:16 <fjb> Moin frosch123 13:28:25 <frosch123> quak fjb 13:28:32 <fjb> :-) 13:28:48 <frosch123> :o 13:29:04 <fjb> I won't kiss you. :-P 13:32:35 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 13:34:11 * Sacro kisses fjb 13:34:40 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:35:42 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-199-167.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:35:51 * fjb gets a horse to kiss Sacro. 13:38:34 <yorick> lets see, what shall I patch into my custom beta5? 13:38:43 <yorick> (with networking compat) 13:38:59 <fjb> Noting. 13:39:06 <fjb> Nothing. 13:39:09 <yorick> smallmap zoom 13:39:13 <yorick> copy-paste 13:39:43 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 13:42:04 <fjb> I have often seen people desync after using copy-paste. And as far as I know that functionality is disabled in a network game now. 13:44:04 <yorick> nope :) 13:44:45 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: You just lost the game] 13:45:13 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:45:13 <fjb> I would ban everybody who uses the copy-paste patch from my server. 13:45:18 <yorick> ... 13:45:19 <yorick> you know 13:45:25 <yorick> it can be disabled serverside ;) 13:46:02 <yorick> if you ask frostregen, he can provide you the pastespeed patch 13:46:17 <yorick> if the pastespeed patch value is set to 255, pasting is disabled 13:46:32 <SmatZ> I wonder how the "pastespeed" patch works, maybe it just limits the frequency of accepted commands 13:46:36 <yorick> no 13:46:40 <SmatZ> no? 13:46:41 <yorick> it is a patch option 13:46:55 <fjb> But how works it technically? 13:46:56 <SmatZ> it has to be compatible with clean clients 13:47:00 <yorick> it is 13:47:13 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 13:47:25 <SmatZ> and clients with c&p do not know the pastespeed setting of the server - or do they? 13:47:26 <yorick> hmm... 13:47:28 <yorick> I'll check 13:48:02 <peter1138> Clients: 7 / 11 (7 / 6 companies; 1 / 11 spectators) 13:48:06 <peter1138> Hmm, 7 out of 6 companies? :o 13:48:18 <SmatZ> why not :P 13:48:19 <yorick> they could have been lowered 13:48:31 <glx> peter1138: 2 joins at the same time? 13:48:43 <yorick> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=642496#p642496 13:48:56 <fjb> Limiting the frequency of accepted commands will be very bad in case of a network jam. You never know in which order or speed the ip packets reach their destination. 13:49:14 <SmatZ> yes 13:49:19 <SmatZ> that's true 13:49:26 <SmatZ> but how else could it work? 13:49:32 <SmatZ> I don't know 13:50:04 <fjb> There is no other way how it could work. The copy paste patch emulates a very fast clicking person. 13:50:22 <fjb> So that is a very bad countermeasure against a cheat. 13:51:31 <fjb> peter1138: One is a virtual company, located at the Bahamas. 13:51:36 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 13:51:38 <yorick> ask frostregen 13:53:50 <fjb> Banning is still the prefered solution as you don't have to patch the server. 13:54:13 <yorick> it should be allowed for me to do whatever I want on my client ^^ 13:54:35 <yorick> the server should decide if what I do is good or not 13:55:14 <fjb> And it should be allowed for the admin to do what ever he things is needed protecting the game. 13:55:23 <yorick> agree 13:55:33 <yorick> I won't play on your server anyway ^^ 13:56:09 <fjb> And I didn't see a game yet where the copy paste patch wasn't kind of abused. 13:58:23 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/hmm.png < looks strange in the detail window :o 13:58:53 <glx> nothing we can do about it I think 13:59:04 <fjb> A train going backward? 13:59:11 <peter1138> Not really, except maybe ignore the bit when showing stuff like that. 14:00:17 <fjb> Isn't it possivble to show the details independent from the direction the train is traveling? 14:00:42 <yorick> hmm...it is indeed a MP patch setting 14:01:02 *** LordAzamath [~LAlord]@ip52.cab21.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:06:03 <LordAzamath> elou 14:07:43 <glx> peter1138: hmm doesn't happen for all combinations 14:08:18 <peter1138> Well it just shows whatever the GRF has told it to show. 14:08:25 <fjb> Moin LordAzamath 14:08:47 <glx> sometimes only the engine "rotates" 14:11:12 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-022-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:11:39 <yorick> the better graphs patch hasn't been updated recently? 14:13:12 <LordAzamath> !seen miham* 14:13:22 <LordAzamath> hmm.. 14:13:27 <LordAzamath> @seen miham* 14:13:27 <DorpsGek> LordAzamath: miham* could be MiHaMeK (4 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 26 minutes, and 17 seconds ago) or MiHaMiX (7 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 51 minutes, and 48 seconds ago) 14:13:35 <LordAzamath> :O 14:14:49 <yorick> try on openttd.wt2 14:15:26 <LordAzamath> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/04/sql_server_hit_by_leap_year_bug/ :O 14:15:50 <LordAzamath> yorick... well he is online there... 14:16:47 <SmatZ> aahahahahhaahah 14:17:26 <LordAzamath> was that a scream or laughing? 14:17:28 <LordAzamath> :P 14:18:38 <SmatZ> laughing 14:19:49 * fjb knows why he doesn't use Microssoft Software it ever avoidable. 14:20:24 * keyweed smiles. 14:25:55 <fjb> Gonozal should update his patch pack. :-) 14:31:09 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-254.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 14:36:08 *** murray [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::beef] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:31 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:42:54 <yorick> does anyone have an updated version of the better graphs patch? 14:43:37 <LordAzamath> peter1138, you here? 14:44:23 <fjb> yorick: I fear you have to update that patch. 14:44:32 <yorick> total nightmare 14:44:37 * yorick tried 14:45:14 <yorick> but it tries to remove things on line 500 of openttd.h 14:45:24 <LordAzamath> I just tried that if I add that missing tag to the wagon articles ( picture: ), then it won't show it anywhere... SO I can define the tags before and then you change the template and everything is automatically correct.. 14:45:47 <peter1138> Sure... 14:46:15 <LordAzamath> so I'll give the 27 articles those tags and you update template? good :) 14:53:03 <fjb> yorick: Look what it tries to remove and remove that line by hand. 14:53:43 <yorick> fjb: there is the problem, there is no line 512 14:53:58 <yorick> it ends around 419 14:54:17 <fjb> But the diff tells you the contend of that line. You have to find that content anywhere. 14:54:55 <yorick> you seem to know, goodluck! 14:58:35 <fjb> Maybe that line was relocated to another file. 14:58:43 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 14:59:28 <fjb> FollowTrack_t was completely removed? 15:03:54 <glx> yes 15:04:07 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:04:48 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:06:44 <fjb> I think I have to reintroduce it to get the yapp patch working. 15:13:37 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-254.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:13:39 <fjb> I should set up my own repository. 15:15:17 <hylje> or go decentralized all the way 15:16:48 <LordAzamath> peter1138, you here:P? 15:17:39 <LordAzamath> I've finished I hope.. 15:17:53 <LordAzamath> if any typos came in, we'll see it :P 15:18:06 <fjb> hylje: No, that is not an option. 15:19:13 <hylje> elaborate 15:20:19 <fjb> I don't see the advantage of decentralisation. 15:21:37 <hylje> several repositories, which can share changesets trivially 15:21:48 <peter1138> Allegedly. 15:24:25 <fjb> And why should I have several repositories when I can have several branches in one repository? 15:24:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> because you can't have branches in THE repository 15:25:36 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 15:25:38 <fjb> But I can have a replication of that repository and branch as will in my own replecated repository. 15:26:16 *** dR3x4cK83 [~Miranda@129.187.61.232] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK83] 15:26:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:04 <glx> <fjb> I think I have to reintroduce it to get the yapp patch working. <-- why? 15:27:59 <SmatZ> fjb: are you a new YAPP developer? 15:28:14 <fjb> yapp uses FollowTrack_t 15:28:21 <glx> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1801 15:28:33 <fjb> No, I'm just porting the patch to the actual source. 15:28:40 <glx> YAPP can use FollowTrack() 15:29:00 <fjb> Ok, I will look at that 15:29:31 <SmatZ> michi_cc isn't developing / updating YAPP anymore? 15:29:37 <SmatZ> ah... 15:29:45 <SmatZ> he said you to update it :) 15:34:53 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-102-106-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 15:34:59 <Draakon> hi 15:38:15 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: You just lost the game] 15:47:17 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@134.102.236.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:12 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:49:12 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:20 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 15:56:47 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489CD08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:58:42 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B368.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:58:51 *** lekro [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 16:03:17 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.boanxx22.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:03:57 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489E0A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19:01 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-102-106-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]] 16:19:14 <fjb> SmatZ: He is still developing it. But I want to patch the actual OpenTTD. 16:19:57 <peter1138> The *actual* OpenTTD? 16:20:15 <peter1138> Wasn't it already a patch of the, er, 'actual' OpenTTD? 16:20:36 <fjb> Ok, I meant latest trunk. 16:20:51 <fjb> My English is not perfect. 16:21:40 <peter1138> Quite. 16:21:54 <peter1138> You want to update. Enjoy ;) 16:22:10 <fjb> I'm enjoying it. 16:22:14 <SmatZ> :-D 16:22:44 <fjb> Only think that bogs me is FollowTrack_t. 16:22:48 <fjb> bugs 16:27:11 <LordAzamath> peter1138... do you ignore me? :P ^^ 16:27:24 <peter1138> No 16:27:52 <LordAzamath> yeah right.. :P 16:28:05 <LordAzamath> you just don't have time? 16:28:39 <Belugas> time or... interest somewhere else ? ;) 16:29:10 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-254.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 16:29:48 <LordAzamath> heh.. I have irritated him for two days now.. 16:30:11 <LordAzamath> maybe me leaving him alone would be enough motivation to get interested :P 16:30:44 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-254.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [] 16:33:09 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-254.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 16:39:01 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gonozal_VI@90.146.202.98] has joined #openttd 16:39:23 <LordAzamath> hello Gonozal_VIII 16:39:26 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 16:39:51 <LordAzamath> yorick is offline so you won't be invited to #? :P 16:39:58 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 16:41:08 <LordAzamath> by him :P 16:41:14 <fjb> Hi Gonozal_VIII, you dindn't do your homework. 16:43:16 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4946.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:28 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E03F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:54 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-022-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:59 <Gonozal_VIII> homework? 16:50:12 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-088-066-154-173.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:20 <fjb> Yes. Your patch pack doesn't apply to the latest trunk. 16:50:29 <dih> :-) 16:50:52 <Gonozal_VIII> i never said that it does :P 16:50:53 <dih> i need to test if pasting under os x works or not ^^ 16:51:07 <dih> you never said anything to pasting under os x 16:51:09 <Gonozal_VIII> it applies to 12180 16:51:29 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: You adopted it, now you have to take care of it. 16:51:59 <dih> hehe 16:52:13 <dih> _have to_ ? 16:52:43 <Gonozal_VIII> i wanted to wait for a new yapp version to come out before i update again... because michi said it will be today (a week ago or something) 16:53:39 *** mad_ [mad@fuckup.fhome.de] has joined #openttd 16:53:52 <LordAzamath> nice address... 16:54:08 <LordAzamath> hello dihedral 16:55:19 <Gonozal_VIII> i have most of the patches updated to 12263, some to 12332... but nothing merged yet 16:55:37 <peter1138> Update to current trunk :D 16:55:56 <LordAzamath> gonozal updates and peter makes another commit.... 16:55:59 <Gonozal_VIII> release 0.6.0 :P 16:56:46 <Ammler> Gonozal_VIII: yould you release a patchpack without pass dest 16:57:03 <Gonozal_VIII> you can deactivate it 16:57:20 <Ammler> hmm, yes :-) 16:57:24 <Ammler> need to try that 16:58:10 <Gonozal_VIII> i didn't include it at first because of the problems the patch causes but there was a high demand 16:58:36 <fjb> Does it cause desyncs? 16:58:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> most certainly 16:59:04 <Gonozal_VIII> somebody wrote that... i don't know for sure 16:59:51 <Gonozal_VIII> but my game crashed once with it 17:00:13 <Gonozal_VIII> with some clicking around in the station window 17:00:39 <Gonozal_VIII> but i couldn't reproduce it, so no idea... 17:01:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> the only thing i noticed is having a station window open causes heavy load 17:02:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> and the amount of passengers generated does not match my scale ;) 17:02:16 <Gonozal_VIII> the patch is not really finished 17:02:31 <Gonozal_VIII> well... passenger numbers can be adjusted 17:04:19 <fjb> What is your scale? The thousands of passengers waiting at a bus stop are also a bit out of scale. 17:05:06 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 17:05:58 <Gonozal_VIII> i didn't play enough to be sure but in my testgames the number of passengers seemed to be just right 17:07:07 <fjb> The only thing that doesn't work is to put just one station at the center of a town and then filling hundreds of trains that way. 17:07:27 <Gonozal_VIII> obviously 17:09:03 <fjb> But that is the style that many are playing. 17:09:26 <Ammler> really? How ugly. 17:10:16 <fjb> Really ugly. Look at most screen shots or look at multiuser games. 17:10:45 <peter1138> Hmm? 17:13:00 <fjb> Look at the scrren shots that many people show at the diffenred TTD forums when they have questions or problems. I often see people using station walking or placing only one station per town alsways under the town name. 17:14:10 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't that cut the town growth if you build directly under the name? 17:14:27 <fjb> Don't know, I never tried it. 17:14:40 <Slowpoke> I don't think so 17:15:34 *** Sacr1 [~Ben@adsl-87-102-15-154.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:15:41 *** Sacr1 [~Ben@adsl-87-102-15-154.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 17:16:59 <Slowpoke> do I need an additional grf so that those zepelins or blimps or however they're called in englich work correctly? they just stop anywhere on my airports and dont move anymore 17:17:33 <Gonozal_VIII> they use helipads 17:17:39 <Ammler> Slowpoke: did you change the set on a running game? 17:18:12 <Ammler> maybe you overwrote a plane from previous set 17:18:15 <fjb> Zeppelins and blimps are very different. But that should not matter in your case. Which set are you using? 17:18:34 <Slowpoke> hm I did, then deactivated again and activated it again not in a running game... 17:18:40 <Slowpoke> still no difference 17:19:02 <Gonozal_VIII> what type of airport? 17:19:44 <Slowpoke> those lagre heliports and smal airports 17:19:48 <Slowpoke> +l 17:19:51 <fjb> They should work on any airport. 17:19:54 <Gonozal_VIII> and does it have correct orders.. 17:20:06 <Gonozal_VIII> and where's the screenshot? :P 17:20:45 <Slowpoke> yes it does... and even if I change them they don't move... not even into a hangar 17:21:13 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmmm do you have a vehicle stopped halfway inside the hangar? 17:21:24 <fjb> Is there a stopped vehicleon that airport? 17:23:24 <Slowpoke> http://powl.co.nr/Superfirma_5_Jun_2328.png 17:24:10 <Slowpoke> they just aren't moving, there is nothing in the way... I tested with only one at a similar heliport and it didn't work either... 17:24:12 <Gonozal_VIII> that looks really strange^^ 17:25:13 <Gonozal_VIII> ..and german... looks strange and german 17:25:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> how would you know what german looks like :p 17:26:05 <Gonozal_VIII> because it looks like austrian but more complicated :P 17:26:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> Slowpoke: have you tried in a new game? 17:27:02 <Slowpoke> yeah, ut only on a smal airport... Ill try again 17:27:04 <Gonozal_VIII> and the vehicle window you have opened there is the wrong one, that one can 17:27:09 <Gonozal_VIII> 't move anyways 17:29:36 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:29:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:32:08 <Slowpoke> howeveeer, I stared a new game and same thing, now on a intercontinental airport 17:33:47 <Slowpoke> http://powl.co.nr/ottd.png 17:35:04 <fjb> What grfs do you have loaded in which sequence? 17:39:20 <Slowpoke> newships, newstations, ttrsv3.02a, generic tramset and last the aviator-set 17:40:59 <fjb> And which version of OpenTTD? 17:41:11 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@90.209.238.10] has joined #openttd 17:41:46 *** Prof_Frink is now known as Guest204 17:42:38 <Slowpoke> r12322 17:42:52 *** Guest204 [~proffrink@90.209.238.10] has quit [] 17:43:17 <fjb> I 17:43:21 <peter1138> Problem with plane speed patch, it seems. 17:43:29 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5C352.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:37 <fjb> Oh the speeeds drops to 0? 17:43:43 <fjb> speed 17:43:49 <peter1138> Well 17:44:01 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@90.209.238.10] has joined #openttd 17:44:42 <peter1138> No. 17:45:54 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 17:46:25 *** Slowpoke_ [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-194-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:47:18 <Slowpoke_> sorry, connection failed... 17:47:41 <Slowpoke_> speed doesn't drop to 0 17:48:41 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:43 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5D2EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:51:13 <Slowpoke_> I'll have to do something else now, I'll update openttd tomorrow and see what happens. thanks for your help anyway :) 17:51:41 <peter1138> Well it's not fixed yet, heh. 17:51:48 <fjb> What do I have to do to add a file to the source? Just add it to source.list? 17:52:07 <SmatZ> fjb: and run projects/generate 17:52:16 <Belugas> yup 17:52:17 <SmatZ> and svn add 17:52:25 <SmatZ> and svn keywords... 17:52:37 <SmatZ> hmm not needed 17:52:43 <SmatZ> only svn add 17:52:47 <Belugas> and svn commit 17:52:50 <SmatZ> :-D 17:52:50 <Belugas> lol 17:52:55 <fjb> I think I don't need to tell svn about it. 17:53:00 <fjb> :-) 17:53:08 <SmatZ> you do if you want to do svn diff 17:53:29 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-199-167.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:13 <fjb> I even didn't need projects/generate, I think. 17:54:26 <peter1138> That's only for MSVC. 17:55:59 <fjb> I found that out after running the script. But it didn't harm anything. 17:56:38 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4946.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 17:57:36 <SmatZ> it helps MSVC users to later modify your patch 17:57:39 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:58:44 <fjb> The patch will stay at home. :-) It is just the yapp patch. 17:59:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@82.60.157.127] has joined #openttd 18:00:12 <Wolf01> hello 18:00:31 <fjb> Hello Wolf01 18:01:09 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.22] has joined #openttd 18:04:10 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-80-196.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 18:15:15 <fjb> I'm one error further. :-) 18:18:51 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:19:21 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 18:24:11 <fjb> I need a three way diff. 18:26:12 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@134.102.236.219] has joined #openttd 18:27:30 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:28:08 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E03F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 18:28:59 <yorick> a patch that allows custom server actions from console isn't so hard :0 18:29:02 <yorick> :)* 18:30:21 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 18:33:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12343 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r12293): Slow helicopters never got the 'chance' to finish the landing routine. 18:35:46 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:38:30 <yorick> and having "say" during connecting could be possible too 18:39:05 * yorick sees soo much 18:39:10 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:44:34 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:51:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r12344 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Codechange: Check uint64 bitsize on compiletime too. 18:52:54 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:38 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gonozal_VI@90.146.202.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:39 <yorick> how big would spamming risks be if I let unknown clients chat? 18:56:18 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-80-196.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:20 <yorick> ok, so it's not like *start* *enlargeyourpenisnow* *buyxtc* *donatemoneyforkittensinbottles* *spreadthismessage* *newcomputervirusdiscovered*? 19:00:00 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-80-196.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 19:00:21 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 19:00:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 19:00:41 * yorick repeats it for missing users: 19:00:41 <yorick> [19:53] <yorick> how big would spamming risks be if I let unknown clients chat? 19:00:41 <yorick> [19:56] *** Ammler quit (Ping timeout: 480 seconds) 19:00:41 <yorick> [19:59] <yorick> ok, so it's not like *start* *enlargeyourpenisnow* *buyxtc* *donatemoneyforkittensinbottles* *spreadthismessage* *newcomputervirusdiscovered*? 19:03:26 <glx> @kick yorick for spamming :) 19:03:26 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [for spamming :)] 19:03:38 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:03:41 <yorick> :D 19:03:56 <yorick> I expected that for some reason 19:10:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:12:31 <yorick> ... 19:12:39 <yorick> my mouse just got broken 19:13:03 <yorick> working again :) 19:13:46 * yorick spoke to it using a hamer 19:16:20 <yorick> I assume some server admins might like the custom actions 19:16:29 <yorick> maybe the coop guys 19:17:13 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-102-106-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 19:17:29 <Belugas> yorick, i strongly suggest you submit your patch on forums and just let us quietly sleep 19:17:49 * Belugas hates meaningless monologues 19:17:50 <yorick> you don't have to read :p 19:17:51 * peter1138 would just suggest shutting up... 19:17:52 <Draakon> hello 19:17:55 <yorick> hello 19:18:05 <peter1138> Or getting me a beer. 19:18:27 <Draakon> so whats cooking here? 19:18:29 * yorick gives peter1138 an imaginary beer 19:18:54 * Belugas picks it up before it reaches peter's hand 19:19:17 * Draakon snaps it from you 19:19:31 <yorick> fighting for an imaginare beer eh? 19:19:35 <yorick> imaginary* 19:19:47 <Draakon> lol 19:20:20 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:41 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gonozal_VI@90.146.202.98] has joined #openttd 19:23:28 <Gonozal_VIII> i can't sleep right because i'm dreaming too much :-/ 19:23:32 <Draakon> lol 19:23:46 <Draakon> I NEED MORE FEATURES! xD 19:23:56 <yorick> I'm uploading a patch to flyspray 19:23:59 <Gonozal_VIII> and i can't understand the dreams because they are in japanese without subtitles :-/ 19:24:00 <yorick> so calm down ;) 19:24:09 <Draakon> lol gonozal 19:24:14 <Draakon> yorick: what patch? 19:24:22 <yorick> custom networking actions 19:24:34 <Draakon> what it does? 19:24:39 <yorick> *** Server is shutting down in this minute... 19:24:51 <yorick> do "Server is shutting down in this minute..." 19:24:55 <Draakon> that kind of text? 19:24:59 <yorick> yes 19:25:16 <Draakon> useless for me 19:25:25 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:25:33 <Draakon> because i cant host :( 19:27:27 <yorick> devs, you can sleep after you've read or included(or both) fs1829 19:27:48 *** yorick is now known as Yorick|AFK 19:29:59 <Draakon> eh 19:30:01 <Draakon> booring 19:32:09 * Belugas does not feel the need to do so 19:32:14 <Draakon> do what? 19:33:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-34-239.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:35:05 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 19:35:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 19:35:30 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-102-106-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]] 19:37:40 * |Jeroen| doesn't feel like doing anything 19:38:40 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E03F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:30 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 19:46:37 <fjb> src/rail_cmd.cpp:2171: error: invalid conversion from `int' to `TrackdirBits' 19:46:45 <fjb> I must have done something wrong. 19:47:44 <fjb> if ((b & 0x8) == 0) red_signals |= (TRACKDIR_BIT_LEFT_N | TRACKDIR_BIT_X_NE | TRACKDIR_BIT_Y_SE | TRACKDIR_BIT_UPPER_E) << 16; 19:48:20 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gonozal_VI@90.146.202.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:31 <Yorick> probably <<16 19:48:38 <Yorick> what should that stand for? 19:48:42 <fjb> red_signals is of type TrackdirBits 19:49:06 <fjb> It'a a left shift by 16 bits. 19:49:29 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 19:50:09 <fjb> But what size is TrackdirBits? 19:50:35 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 19:54:27 <fjb> Looks like TrackdirBits is only 16 bit wide. 19:56:28 <ln> what would you say if... 19:58:06 *** ln is now known as Bjarni 19:59:05 <Yorick> Bjarni! 19:59:16 <fjb> You are not Bjarni, I didn't see you kick people. 19:59:45 * Bjarni kicks fjb [] 19:59:53 <fjb> :-P 19:59:58 <fjb> You are not Bjarni 20:00:20 <Bjarni> more Bjarni than Bjarni himself at the moment 20:01:49 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 20:02:06 <Yorick> ln | nl? 20:02:18 <ln-> wtf are you talking about? 20:02:20 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-80-196.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:28 <Yorick> just... 20:02:41 <Yorick> I want to know if it is mirrored 20:02:46 <ln-> of course not. 20:02:51 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-80-196.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 20:03:17 <fjb> ln- is from Finland. 20:03:41 <Bjarni> I want Sacro 20:03:43 *** Bjarni is now known as ln 20:03:49 <ln-> @seen Bjarni 20:03:50 <DorpsGek> ln-: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 8 seconds ago: <Bjarni> I want Sacro 20:04:00 <ln-> great success \o/ 20:04:32 <LordAzamath> ln! 20:05:02 <LordAzamath> or should I say.. Bjarni! ? 20:05:15 <ln-> Bjarni is not here! 20:05:40 <LordAzamath> then who? 20:05:54 <LordAzamath> garr 20:06:01 * LordAzamath reads upper things.. 20:06:09 <LordAzamath> [21:58] *** ln changed nick to Bjarni 20:07:23 *** LordAzamath [~LAlord]@ip52.cab21.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: zzzzzz...] 20:07:44 <peter1138> GAH 20:07:54 <peter1138> I can't play without YAPP any more :( 20:08:20 <Yorick> :D 20:08:45 <fjb> You ahve to update the patch... :-) 20:08:58 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 20:09:52 * fjb votes for yapp in the patch after feature freeze. Everything else would be unhealthy. 20:10:16 <fjb> yapp in trunk 20:10:37 * fjb is a bit confused after counting to many bits. 20:10:51 * Belugas votes for a lot more stuff after freeze... 20:11:09 * Yorick edited his openttd quit message 20:11:43 <Yorick> ***Yorick has left the game(bye!) 20:11:50 * fjb is curious what Belugas has on his list. 20:13:01 <Belugas> WE have a lot on lists 20:13:52 * fjb knows. peter1138 seams to have an almost ready patch for everything. 20:14:05 <ln-> * seems 20:14:35 * fjb will leans proper English in this or his next life one day. 20:15:03 <fjb> learn 20:15:14 * fjb can't type anymore. 20:15:18 * fjb hates C even more. 20:15:24 <Noldo> haha 20:15:45 <Noldo> those bloody compilers are not reading your comments? 20:16:15 <fjb> They are annoying me. 20:17:14 <Noldo> I wonder what I had on my openttd ToTinkerWith list 20:18:03 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:15 <peter1138> Hmm, I've got 800MB free... I had 2GB free the other day... 20:18:43 <fjb> What did you do? 20:20:18 <Yorick> its fun to see the #openttdcoop and #openttd conversation merged :) 20:20:54 <Yorick> Hmm, I've got 800MB free... I had 2GB free the other day... <--> But the ML<>SL hookups are there 20:21:00 <fjb> Yorick: Don't confuse their highly optimized conversations. 20:21:32 <fjb> One more error resolved. Now for the next one. 20:22:06 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-200-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:22:15 <Belugas> how to set an ignore again? 20:22:19 <Belugas> ho... good... found it 20:22:40 <Yorick> you like ignoring me? 20:26:45 <fjb> How does ./objs/lang/table/strings.h get generated? 20:27:12 <Wolf01> mmmh, 0.6might-be-last-rc, now everybody is waiting for the stable to come and the big river of features on the nightlies 20:27:26 <peter1138> fjb, strgen creates it. 20:28:52 <Wolf01> I'm writing an how to in Italian in my forum, where can I link it? 20:29:02 <fjb> Is a new entry in ./src/lang/english.txt enough to make it appear in ./objs/lang/table/strings.h? 20:29:06 <Wolf01> *how to for TTD 20:29:44 <Yorick> yes 20:29:50 <peter1138> fjb, yes. 20:30:11 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host86-148-15-202.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:30:22 <fjb> Why didn't it appear in ./objs/lang/table/strings.h then? I have to investigate... 20:31:05 *** remaxim [~remaxim@84.19.173.195] has joined #openttd 20:31:54 <remaxim> ping belugas 20:32:14 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: pong Yorick] 20:34:52 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-31-178.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:57 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:36:12 <fjb> One whitespace was that problem. 20:39:22 <Belugas> pong remaxim 20:39:25 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:41:20 <fjb> Now I'm having r12342 with YAPP, passenger destinations and engine pools. 20:43:22 <fjb> Now for the update to r12344. 20:50:19 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B78993.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:52:59 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gonozal_VI@90.146.202.98] has joined #openttd 20:54:27 <Gonozal_VIII> wow, 12344 20:55:18 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B368.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:39 <fjb> ne is still missing. :-) 20:55:46 <fjb> +O 20:57:33 *** Leviath [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 20:58:27 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 21:00:48 <Gonozal_VIII> what new good patches are there that i should include in my patchpack? 21:01:04 *** remaxim [~remaxim@84.19.173.195] has left #openttd [] 21:01:27 <Belugas> NONE! 21:01:47 <peter1138> You stole my line. 21:01:50 <fjb> Just keep the current up to date. That will keep you from getting bored. 21:02:17 <Belugas> lol! 21:02:46 * Belugas is discovering with pleasure 30 Ghosts IV 21:02:57 <peter1138> Ah, you got it all now :D 21:03:54 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A55EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:04:09 <Belugas> yup :D 21:04:19 <Belugas> and... hooooo.... and haaaaaaaa.... 21:04:23 <Belugas> and merci ;) 21:06:14 <Gonozal_VIII> what's that airdrag.diff thingy? 21:13:06 <Belugas> the effect of air's dragg on a vehicle, slowing it down, maybe? 21:14:57 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, i read the diff, seems to be so... but i thought asking here might cause an explanation by peter^^ 21:19:51 <peter1138> the effect of air's dragg on a vehicle, slowing it down 21:20:02 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 21:20:31 <Belugas> lol 21:20:33 <Gonozal_VIII> seems to depend only on the engine topspeed 21:21:04 <Belugas> you're right... it should also be applied to the engine speed once stopped :D 21:21:08 <Gonozal_VIII> the sides and roof of the train have airdrag too :-) 21:21:09 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:24 <Gonozal_VIII> long train, more drag 21:21:43 <Belugas> somehow, i doubt it has much impact 21:21:51 <Gonozal_VIII> but it has 21:21:58 <Belugas> iirc, the train makes some kind of a tunnel 21:22:07 <Belugas> and on the other hand... 21:22:16 <Belugas> it's a realistic stuff 21:22:17 <Belugas> thus 21:22:19 <Belugas> boooo! 21:22:23 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 21:22:28 <Belugas> not so realistic either :S 21:24:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> air drag is really unimportant for speeds <100km/h 21:25:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> which is why the streamlining of steam engines often got removed... the saving in fuel did not match up with the more difficult maintenance 21:26:41 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 21:26:55 <Vikthor> On the other hand it is essential for HST 21:27:16 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:27:57 <Gonozal_VIII> like the vacuum maglev that melts away if the tube breaks :-) 21:28:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, air drag is cubic in terms of speed, so double speed means 8 times air drag 21:31:06 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.lbst.de/publications/books__d/co2/Abbildungen/9_2.gif 21:33:41 <Gonozal_VIII> airdrag is already more than the rest at 100 km/h there 21:38:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are many facts missing about that picture... 21:38:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> but it does support my point, it is unimportant with speeds < 100km/h 21:38:47 <Gonozal_VIII> i know that it is 21:38:57 <Gonozal_VIII> but modern trains are faster than that 21:39:52 <valhalla1w> massenbeschleunigung? 21:40:01 <Gonozal_VIII> mass acceleration 21:40:07 <valhalla1w> ah right 21:40:17 <valhalla1w> strange graph then :D 21:40:18 <Gonozal_VIII> with the right brakes, you should be able to get most of that back 21:40:20 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-200-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:40:43 <valhalla1w> I mean, air resisitance is a force and the energy is dependent on the distance travelled 21:40:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> i also don't know what that means... 21:40:57 <valhalla1w> while mass accelleration isnt dependent on the distance 21:41:02 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 21:41:35 <valhallasw> but I guess this is averaged on a large number of rides? 21:41:53 <Gonozal_VIII> i think that's statistical data for average use 21:43:03 <Gonozal_VIII> i asked a friend of mine that studied physics about the airdrag and he gave me that link 21:43:10 <valhallasw> ah 21:44:21 <Gonozal_VIII> according to him, airdrag over the lenght of the train is only bad if there's for example a container wagon after a flatbed... 21:45:09 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-3-172.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 21:45:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> ever heard of the term "wind shadow"? 21:45:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's why ducks always fly in a V formation 21:45:52 <Gonozal_VIII> there are turbulences 21:46:36 <Gonozal_VIII> he also wrote that small turbulences along the sides of the train are good because they prevent big ones 21:46:45 <peter1138> Our 'realistic' acceleration routine sucks. 21:46:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> turbulences only have an effect if you try to stay in course 21:47:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> which is only relevant for planes 21:47:15 <Gonozal_VIII> they drag a lot of air along 21:47:48 * Belugas prepares Zirkos real acceleration "fine tuning" for commit ;) 21:48:06 <SpComb> hooking up all the coal mines on a 512x512 map to a given power station isn't that trivial 21:48:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> is that the one that removes max speed? 21:48:14 <SpComb> takes a fair few hours 21:48:32 <valhallasw> Gonozal_VIII: yes, that sounds reasonable. 21:48:44 <valhallasw> trains are fairly wind-resistance-efficient anyway 21:48:47 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-80-196.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:24 <valhallasw> as they are long objects without too big parts inbetween (except when coupling a container car to a flatbed of course) 21:49:28 <SpComb> although OpenTTD's lack of PBS really hurts 21:49:46 <Gonozal_VIII> use yapp 21:50:57 *** Morloth [~bram@53542231.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 21:51:50 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A55EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Ping timeout: Hmm ping sucks :D] 21:52:14 <Belugas> and/or wait for it to eventually (and mostly surely) be in trunk 21:52:38 <Gonozal_VIII> then hurry up with 0.6.0 release :P 21:52:45 <SpComb> although I gather YAPP works quite differently from TTDPatch's PBS 21:52:52 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-60-219.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 21:53:07 <Belugas> well... it is still a PBS 21:53:25 <Belugas> and it is my time to leave home 21:53:27 <Belugas> good night 21:53:41 <Gonozal_VIII> yapp is actually very easy to understand... it's only difficult because you can't build signals like you're used to 21:53:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> leave _to_ home? 21:54:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> YAPP signals are much more natural 21:54:06 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 21:54:27 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-3-172.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:45 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 21:55:02 <Gonozal_VIII> but if you place them like you used to place the normal signals, you get deadlocks everywhere 22:01:01 <globester> yes i've noticed :( 22:01:19 <globester> still trying to figure them out 22:02:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's so easy... 22:02:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> wherever you would normally put an exit signal, you place no signal at all 22:02:53 <peter1138> CUNNING 22:03:15 <ln-> http://www.it.uu.se/research/project/sst/screenshots/041202/hka_from_above2.jpg 22:03:20 <peter1138> Cunninger than a cunning thing on national cunning day! 22:03:20 <globester> so just one before the junction nothing behind? 22:03:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> exactly 22:04:01 <peter1138> ln-, useful crossing... :o 22:04:15 <globester> what's that entry pbs signal for then? 22:04:23 <peter1138> It's not. 22:04:28 <peter1138> It's a one-way PBS signal. 22:04:31 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 22:04:46 <Gonozal_VIII> nice openttd screenshot ln 22:05:17 <ln-> peter1138: well it's for getting to the platform in the middle. 22:05:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> globester: it forbids the train to go backwards through that signal (like normal one-way signals) 22:05:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12345 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1828](r12296): don't try to restore backupped timetable when timetabling is disabled 22:05:55 <Gonozal_VIII> bars for people that want to reach a platform? never seen that in rl 22:06:21 <Gonozal_VIII> yay 12345!!!!! 22:06:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd also mention that... it doesn't look realistic 22:06:32 <SpComb> no, it's for the cars 22:06:42 <Gonozal_VIII> cars :S 22:06:47 <Gonozal_VIII> why would cars go there? 22:07:19 <peter1138> To cause train crashes. 22:08:19 <Gonozal_VIII> a car wouldn't even fit between the rails and the crossing bar^^ 22:09:23 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 22:13:34 <Gonozal_VIII> everybody go watch dokuro-chan 22:14:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> i just finished watching stargate 22:15:06 <Gonozal_VIII> new episode sga :O 22:15:35 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm no... friday 22:16:22 * fjb finished r12344 with YAPP, passsenger destinations and vehicle pools. And it is working. At least at the first glance. 22:16:42 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm yay?^^ 22:17:31 <SmatZ> fjb: go for 12345! 22:17:41 <Gonozal_VIII> don't forget to change the savegame version to 91 22:18:37 <fjb> No, not today. r12345 sounds cool, but is not that important to me. 22:18:53 <Patrick`> mm 22:19:11 <glx> fjb: just svn up, it won't conflict 22:19:58 <fjb> glx: Ok, so I'm not finished yet. 22:20:12 <Gonozal_VIII> because 12345 is just a fake revision that glx did because he wanted to have that number 22:20:29 <glx> 12345 is just a 2 lines change in order_cmd 22:20:35 <Gonozal_VIII> see 22:20:56 <glx> but it fixes a bug :) 22:21:02 * SmatZ could commit 1 whitespace change 22:21:02 *** Morloth is now known as Morloth|Pack 22:21:09 <ln-> Morloth|Pack: wtf? 22:21:12 <SmatZ> to be "the 12345 hero" 22:21:18 <ln-> gimme ops 22:21:22 <Morloth|Pack> ln-: I'm packing :) 22:21:22 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe you planned that in advance and planted that bug there :P 22:21:25 <SmatZ> ln-: no way! 22:21:38 <Morloth|Pack> ln-: I'm going to Dublin for a couple of days :) 22:21:39 <ln-> Morloth|Pack: i don't want to know. no one wants to know. 22:21:43 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: was not intended 22:21:58 <ln-> Morloth|Pack: away nicks are bad. 22:22:06 <Morloth|Pack> ln-: you've got a disturbed mindset ;) 22:22:18 <Gonozal_VIII> or you had the fix ready for weeks, just waiting for somebody to commit 12344^^ 22:22:22 <glx> so no work on noai? 22:23:05 <Gonozal_VIII> do thay have internet in that dublin place? 22:23:09 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: I don't like fixing my bugs 22:23:22 <fjb> Ok, compiling r12345. :-) 22:23:30 <glx> I try to add bug free code 22:24:02 <Gonozal_VIII> there is no such thing as bug free code 22:24:11 <glx> it was not a fatal one, just annoying 22:24:25 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 22:24:32 <Prof_Frink> Oh, adding bug free code is easy 22:24:54 <Prof_Frink> Just make sure it starts with /* and ends with */ 22:25:00 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 22:25:15 <fjb> That will be a bug in Pascal. 22:25:17 <glx> #if 0 ... #endif is safer 22:25:27 <SmatZ> you can make uncompilable code even when it starts with /* and ends with */ 22:26:46 <Wolf01> 'night 22:26:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@82.60.157.127] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:28:02 <fjb> /* ... /* ... */ ... */ thinks like that can lead to errors. 22:28:03 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 22:29:49 <SmatZ> :) though you will receive compiler warnings 22:30:08 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB55A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:31:22 <fjb> Depends on how advanced the compiler is. The VAX C compiler was very advanced. 22:33:45 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 22:35:26 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Where did you get the vehicle pool patch? 22:35:38 <Gonozal_VIII> peter 22:37:22 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 22:37:36 <fjb> Oh. I think I found kind of a bug. A grf reising the base cost raises it for every grf, even if that is in its own pool. 22:38:14 <glx> fjb: happens without this patch too 22:38:14 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@134.102.236.219] has quit [Quit: bye!] 22:38:49 <fjb> Yes, I know, but I thought the pools should decouple the grfs. 22:39:04 <glx> base cost is global 22:39:12 <SmatZ> what GRF should it affect if not all? 22:39:24 * SmatZ thinks it is correct behaviour 22:39:27 <SmatZ> *g 22:39:31 * SmatZ shame... 22:39:36 <SmatZ> *k 22:39:39 <SmatZ> :-x 22:40:38 *** Zothar [~Zothar@ppp-70-242-202-109.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 22:40:38 <fjb> But one GRF toying with the base cost can make the pools mostly useless. 22:41:07 <Gonozal_VIII> then tell the grf authors not to toy with the base costs 22:41:46 <fjb> Then they have trouble to make expensive vehicles. George hat that problem with LV4. 22:43:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> then make the range bigger instead 22:43:14 *** jez [elbowz@87-194-212-214.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:43:17 *** jez is now known as jez9999 22:43:24 <jez9999> I'm having trouble building OpenTTD NoAI 22:43:31 <fjb> That would break the nfo specification. 22:43:49 <glx> jez9999: what kind of troubles? 22:43:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, it would extend the NFO specification 22:43:53 <Gonozal_VIII> change the nfo specification :-) 22:43:54 <SmatZ> hello jez9999 22:43:56 <jez9999> hi 22:44:48 <SmatZ> jez9999: what revision is the first you have problems with? 22:44:50 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: I don't think that could be easily done in TTDP. But we should ask Dale Stan. 22:45:06 <jez9999> hmm, first im gonna read http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Category:Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B 22:45:10 <Chrill> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=87253 - Comments? 22:45:16 <jez9999> OK, i've read that 22:45:23 <jez9999> i dont have any of those editions, i have VS8.0 :-) 22:45:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: for example there is a standard introduction date, and then there is a long introduction date when the range got extended 22:45:39 <glx> if you can build openttd, you can build noai 22:46:55 <SmatZ> Chrill: what king of comments would you like? Is it North America? 22:47:01 <jez9999> doesnt openTTD use SDL? 22:47:09 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: But that would make TTDP and OpenTTD incompatible. And TTDP is the reference for GRFs. 22:47:15 <glx> not required for windows 22:47:18 <Chrill> It's a random map. More like, suggestions for improvements, or if it's looking good so far, SmatZ 22:47:27 <jez9999> isnt SDL much more lightweight than the whole directX sdk? 22:47:29 <jez9999> i'd rather use it :-) 22:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: no, the grf spec is the reference for grfs 22:48:07 <glx> jez9999: sdl is just a wrapper over GDI or DX 22:48:22 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: But TTDP is the reference implementation. At least nobody will use it if it doesn't work in TTDP. 22:49:04 <Patrick`> TTDP is the reference but they keep changing the code to make it incompatible with us 22:49:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: but that is the problem of TTDP, not of the grf spec 22:49:23 <glx> Patrick`: that's wrong 22:49:44 <fjb> I don't think you can decouple TTDP and the grf spec. 22:49:47 <Patrick`> oh, TTDP stopped doing that? 22:50:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: nobody asked for that 22:50:47 <glx> the grf specs are quite stable 22:50:56 <fjb> We can ask Dale Stan what he thinks about your idea if he comes online. 22:52:35 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Quit: sleep] 22:54:11 <fjb> @seen dale 22:54:11 <DorpsGek> fjb: I have not seen dale. 22:54:24 <fjb> @seen Dale_stan 22:54:24 <DorpsGek> fjb: I have not seen Dale_stan. 22:54:34 <fjb> How is his nick? 22:54:45 <glx> Dalestan 22:55:02 <glx> but is on vacation 22:55:37 <fjb> Then we have to wait till he comes back. 22:56:59 <fjb> There is more than one GRF that has to chage the base cost or even uses base costs of other vehicle classes. 22:57:07 <jez9999> is the plan eventually to merge openttd noAI into the main branch? 22:57:37 <fjb> Would a bigger range for vehicle costs be hard to implement in OpenTTD? 22:58:06 <glx> jez9999: it's far from finished 22:58:09 <jez9999> for me that would really complete openTTD 22:58:20 <jez9999> having all the current patches and the customizable AI 22:58:32 <jez9999> kinda makes the game as it ideally would have been in the first place :-) really fun to play 22:58:53 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> "all the patches" will hardly get in 22:59:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: i guess it would be quite easy 22:59:54 <jez9999> i meant the ones currently in the main branch 22:59:57 <jez9999> just them and noAI 23:00:35 <jez9999> (now it also has customizable faces :-D) 23:00:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> the "main branch" does not have any patches 23:00:58 <jez9999> eh? 23:01:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> the "main branch" is the main reference, like the name suggests... all "patches" have to be relative to that 23:02:10 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:10 <jez9999> it has a 'configure patches' area; that's what i mean 23:02:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is a big misnomer ;) 23:02:33 <jez9999> not really 23:02:42 <jez9999> they are patches... on the original reverse-engineered ttd code 23:02:43 <Gonozal_VIII> are you trying to make up for the lack of dalestan eddi? 23:03:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have always said that... 23:03:55 *** Axamentia [~SlayerRag@78-105-140-209.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:04:06 <glx> I called them "advanced configuration" in french 23:04:26 <glx> that's what it should be 23:04:48 <Gonozal_VIII> advanced configuration isn't french :-) 23:05:06 <jez9999> well anyway the current config options and noAI 23:05:11 <jez9999> would make it pretty much perfect 23:05:25 <jez9999> of course the track copy/paste stuff in the MiniIN is nice but it almost feels like cheating 23:05:28 <Chrill> BRB 23:05:29 <jez9999> no work to create a cloverleaf :-) 23:05:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> there is no such thing as "perfect" 23:05:43 <Gonozal_VIII> why don't you just use the noai branch? it was synced with trunk not long ago 23:05:49 <ln-> couldn't someone just change the "configure patches" string to something more appropriate once and for all? 23:05:55 <jez9999> im working to get my machine to be able to compile it now 23:05:59 <jez9999> it's a bit involved... 23:06:14 <Patrick`> or at least remove some patch options to a config file 23:06:21 <jez9999> not sure whether this old directx7 SDK will be good enough to compile it 23:06:26 <Patrick`> the list just keeps growing 23:06:35 <jez9999> trouble is, the directx sdk available now is November, which the wiki page says is too late 23:06:38 <jez9999> i need an earlier version 23:06:58 <jez9999> but this version i have is ancient, like 1999 23:07:00 <jez9999> i think 23:07:54 <jez9999> "You should not use a version newer then August 2007 as DirectMusic is no longer support as of the November 2007 release." 23:08:01 <jez9999> so, like, where do i get the Aug 2007 release 23:08:35 <Patrick`> mmm, directmusic 23:08:58 <glx> it is available on msdn 23:09:10 <glx> not easy to find (as often there) 23:09:31 <SmatZ> mmm donuts 23:09:34 <fjb> UKRS or DBset is also changing the base cost. So you can not mix them. Same goes for LV4 and any other road vehicles set. 23:09:39 <jez9999> Validation Required though 23:09:40 <jez9999> :-( 23:09:42 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-143-042.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:09:48 <jez9999> need a bullsh*t-free download 23:09:54 <mrfrenzy> hmm, I just built 12328 with the copypaste patch using BuildOTTD, why does it get version r12328M? 23:10:46 <Gonozal_VIII> modified 23:10:47 <fjb> M for modified. 23:11:22 <Gonozal_VIII> ah, you mean because it should be able to work with unmodified 12328? 23:11:36 <mrfrenzy> yes, I don't want to have to rebuilt my server 23:11:42 <mrfrenzy> as the patch is completely client side 23:11:42 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess you have to force the version there, but don't ask me, i never did that 23:11:54 *** keyweed_ [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has joined #openttd 23:12:07 <mrfrenzy> it also says on the patch thread it should work with unmodfied server 23:12:08 <jez9999> think i found the August 2007 SDK :-) 23:12:18 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-129-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:22 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:12:22 <jez9999> as for the MS platform SDK; doesn't it come with CS 2003? 23:12:24 <jez9999> VS 2003? 23:12:26 <mrfrenzy> is this a "feature" of BuildOTTD? 23:12:29 *** Slowpoke_ [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-194-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:36 <jez9999> VS2005 i mean? 23:13:02 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think that buildottd is able to do that 23:13:32 <mrfrenzy> I mean is it buildottd that added the M automatically? 23:13:40 <Gonozal_VIII> no 23:14:04 <mrfrenzy> if I get the .exe from here http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25037 it has no M 23:15:02 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 23:15:11 *** Morloth|Pack is now known as Morloth 23:15:46 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:15:57 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:01 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:18:45 *** keyweed [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:25 <jez9999> installing directX sdk 23:21:32 <jez9999> this is one heck of a heavy load of stuff 23:24:25 <fjb> You could use UNIX and a cross compiling kit. 23:24:45 <jez9999> UNIX? 23:25:39 <glx> you can also disable directmusic in project config 23:25:57 <jez9999> why? that's the whole reason i downloaded this version of the sdk 23:26:00 <jez9999> i like the music 23:26:15 <glx> you can have the music without direct music :) 23:26:23 <jez9999> then why does the wiki say use the Aug version 23:26:35 <fjb> UNIX, a modern, widely used operating system. 23:26:47 <glx> because MSVC builds can have directmusic 23:26:53 <jez9999> UNIX is an old, rarely-used operating system 23:27:02 <jez9999> actually it's a family of them 23:27:02 <glx> but mingw don't have it 23:27:51 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm follow_track.cpp is gone 23:28:31 <fjb> UNIX including the BSD branch is widely used today, so are some clones like Linux and AIX. 23:28:50 <glx> (and OSX ;) ) 23:28:50 <jez9999> you said UNIX, not clones 23:29:12 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Yes, I had the same problem some hous ago. 23:29:34 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: You have to reintroduce it. 23:30:01 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-088-066-154-173.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:30:22 <fjb> glx: Ofcourse OSX, half of it is BSD, the other half is the Mach kernel and the graphical user interface. 23:30:36 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:18 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti231110a080-1022.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 23:33:39 <fjb> Solaris (UNIX Sytem V) is one of the most modern operating sytems. 23:35:03 <Gonozal_VIII> what's that bitshift stuff in rail_cmd.cpp? 23:35:33 <Vikthor> 'night 23:35:44 <Gonozal_VIII> night 23:35:45 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:36:17 <jez9999> who uses Solaris? 23:36:34 <SpComb> hmm, missing classes because of OpenTTD 23:37:27 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: cut the << 16 stuff. 23:37:55 <Gonozal_VIII> really? 23:38:02 <Gonozal_VIII> but yapp introduces that... 23:38:03 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Trust me 23:38:25 <Gonozal_VIII> and trunk has different names for the trackdirs... 23:39:03 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:20 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E03F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 23:39:30 <fjb> jez9999: A lot of companies and even people on their PCs are using Solaris. And BSD is also widely used. 23:39:42 <jez9999> depends how you define 'a lot', i guess 23:40:04 <Gonozal_VIII> but doesn't matter... i wanted to wait for new yapp version anyways 23:40:10 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F2296.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 23:40:11 <fjb> jez9999: It is always used when you need releiable systems. 23:40:20 <Gonozal_VIII> all the other patches are at 12345 now 23:40:32 <jez9999> woot, MS platform sdk now installed too 23:40:35 <jez9999> HUGE SDKs 23:40:39 <jez9999> seriously massive 23:44:06 <jez9999> ok building 23:44:13 <jez9999> how long does this thing usually take to build from, scratch? 23:44:21 <jez9999> from memory, it's a couple of minutes 23:44:35 <Gonozal_VIII> 5-10 minutes.. 23:45:26 <jez9999> ouch 23:45:38 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: It is not that hard to get YAPP working with current trunk. 23:45:51 <Gonozal_VIII> yes but i want new yapp^^ 23:46:28 <fjb> Current YAPP has only few bugs. 23:46:49 <jez9999> what does YAPP stand for? 23:47:01 <Gonozal_VIII> and i talked to vikthor, he will update his stuff today 23:47:35 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B78993.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:58 <fjb> Yet Another Pbs Patch 23:49:41 *** Morloth [~bram@53542231.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:49:47 <fjb> I'm voting for separate base costs for every GRF in the pool. 23:50:06 <jez9999> hmm, i've now successfully compiled NoAI 23:50:16 <jez9999> now i need to figure out how to get a custom AI :-) 23:51:10 <fjb> You have to write it. 23:51:36 <jez9999> heh 23:51:48 <jez9999> aren't there any kind of good AIs already written? 23:52:34 <fjb> Don't think so. noAI didn't get released yet and is far from ready yet. 23:53:12 <jez9999> hum 23:53:13 <jez9999> shame 23:53:37 <jez9999> could be fun writing one 23:53:46 <jez9999> probably one of those things that sounds fun, but when you write it it gets boring 23:53:47 <jez9999> :-) 23:53:52 <fjb> You can be the first one who writes a new ai. 23:54:03 <jez9999> nah there are already 2 or 3 23:54:11 <jez9999> wrightAI and overambitiousAI 23:54:20 <Gonozal_VIII> try a train ai 23:54:22 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-60-219.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:54:46 <jez9999> heh 23:54:57 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: he will need to write the API first ;) 23:55:13 <Gonozal_VIII> nah, he will bug you to write it ;-) 23:59:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:59:51 <fjb> How many vehicles per class are possible with the pools?