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00:00:57 <Wolf01> 'night 00:01:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host179-236-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:07:57 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 00:08:13 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [] 00:09:36 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1E2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 00:10:01 <jez9999> Rubidium: im online 00:10:02 <jez9999> :-P 00:12:06 <jez9999> hmm 00:12:09 <jez9999> seems you're not 00:12:27 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-102-143.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:14:09 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 00:14:53 <Rubidium> I am, I only have better things to do that monitor IRC every minute 00:15:05 <jez9999> o 00:15:23 <jez9999> how easily can autoreplace be extended to replace wagon-only chains in depots? 00:15:46 <Rubidium> I have absolutely no idea 00:15:47 <jez9999> currently, a depot autoreplace will replace engines and wagons on the autoreplace list... but only for trains (ie. wagons connected to engines) 00:15:59 <Rubidium> it's *magic* 00:16:57 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know that code but it should be quite simmilar to the sell all button 00:17:41 <jez9999> actually, i have had a quick look thru it 00:18:02 <jez9999> it uses BuildDepotVehicleList to get the list 00:18:16 <jez9999> unfortunately it ignores the last 3 params, meaning the wagon-only chains dont get touched 00:18:26 <jez9999> not sure why they did that 00:20:40 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:21:10 <Rubidium> best is to ask Bjarni 00:21:16 <jez9999> i did, a bit earlier. 00:21:16 <jez9999> i think 00:21:17 <jez9999> :-) 00:21:39 <jez9999> anyway i think this patch is ready for release 0.1, after some code tidying 00:21:46 <jez9999> it's basically doing what i want, but some major niggles 00:21:54 <glx> we don't fully understand Bjarni's code anyway 00:22:14 <jez9999> seriously fast network upgrading now, if you use the default GRF set. just send vehicles to depot and upgrade the depot's track type :-) 00:22:19 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think that should touch the autoreplace code 00:22:51 <Gonozal_VIII> (the wagon stuff) 00:22:59 <jez9999> huh? 00:23:09 <jez9999> it already does, you can autoreplace wagons 00:23:28 <Gonozal_VIII> i know, that's why the fix wouldn't touch that 00:23:35 <Gonozal_VIII> it just has to be triggered 00:23:53 <jez9999> im triggering the depot autoreplace 00:24:05 <jez9999> the issue is that that doesn't replace 'orphaned' wagons in the depot 00:24:13 <jez9999> ie. not attached to a train 00:24:14 <Gonozal_VIII> i know :-) 00:24:36 <Gonozal_VIII> but the depot autoreplace button triggers autoreplace for every vehicle, right? 00:24:56 <jez9999> every one with an engine 00:25:22 <Gonozal_VIII> shouldn't do anything else except triggering... so it should be easy to expand that to trigger it for those too 00:25:41 <jez9999> mm, i guess 00:25:53 <Gonozal_VIII> and no change in the autoreplace code :-) 00:26:03 <jez9999> well there is 00:26:14 <jez9999> CmdDepotMassAutoReplace would need changing 00:26:32 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, if you consider that as autoreplace code too... 00:26:43 <glx> should be easy to fix indeed 00:26:45 <Gonozal_VIII> i meant the deeper functions that do the actual work 00:27:08 <Gonozal_VIII> if they exist, which they should^^ 00:28:16 <jez9999> damn 00:28:19 <jez9999> just noticed another bug 00:28:31 <jez9999> if you dont have the cash to autoreplace all vehicles, it replaces some of them 00:28:32 <jez9999> not none 00:29:09 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-69-88.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:32:50 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-133-26.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 00:33:42 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 00:39:11 *** jez9999 [xentek@87-194-212-214.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 00:43:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E87F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49:24 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:21 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 00:57:40 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 00:57:51 <dragonhorseboy> anyone seen a Fugas in here out of curiousity? 00:59:33 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf is a fugas? 00:59:37 <Gonozal_VIII> can you eat that? 00:59:41 <Gonozal_VIII> does it taste good? 01:01:45 <dragonhorseboy> gonozal its a nick you silly douf 01:01:47 <dragonhorseboy> :p 01:03:40 <Gonozal_VIII> seems to be some kind of strange weapon... 01:04:41 <dragonhorseboy> either way how're you? heh 01:05:01 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm like me 01:05:05 <Gonozal_VIII> and you? 01:05:33 <dragonhorseboy> doing fine ^-^ 01:07:29 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm i found that word on the polish wiki, according to that, it's french but there's no entry on the french wiki 01:07:38 <Gonozal_VIII> but it's definitely not food... 01:07:58 <dragonhorseboy> so what does gonozal mean then? :p 01:09:01 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.perrypedia.proc.org/index.php/Atlan 01:24:11 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-177-179.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26:49 <dragonhorseboy> well...dead in here :p 01:29:28 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 01:32:22 *** Jortuny [~octernion@c-71-230-58-84.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:34:52 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:35:37 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:39:31 <dragonhorseboy> hey eddi 01:41:13 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D23.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:44:56 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 01:58:46 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 01:58:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 01:58:59 *** glx is now known as Guest1791 01:58:59 *** glx|away is now known as glx 02:00:21 *** Jortuny [~octernion@c-71-230-58-84.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:00:33 *** Guest1791 [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:22:26 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3353P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:22:54 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N798P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 02:25:16 *** Jortuny [~octernion@d113.mertza.swarthmore.edu] has joined #openttd 02:50:31 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-133-26.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:57:03 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00:21 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 03:17:45 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@CPE-58-170-19-122.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> makes very much sense to greet a forced disconnect :p 03:19:32 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-121-216-224-99.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:19:56 <Gonozal_VIII> you mean manbearpig? 03:20:50 <Gonozal_VIII> left long ago, so not much point in answering :P 03:37:13 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-141-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:39:06 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-136-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:41:09 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.172.190] has joined #openttd 03:48:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.188.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:48:01 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48:21 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 03:49:18 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N798P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:00:29 *** Osai^zZz`off is now known as Osai 04:24:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> <ln> Draakon: who is miss Spelling? is she pretty? <- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tori_Spelling 04:26:23 *** Jortuny [~octernion@d113.mertza.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:29:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.172.21] has joined #openttd 04:29:41 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.172.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:29:51 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:39:47 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 05:00:37 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 05:15:20 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 05:21:05 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:04:54 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c122-108-33-134.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:09:25 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5777E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:14:22 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:17:47 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 06:18:00 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:30:00 <ln> http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1309902,00.html 06:59:09 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 07:15:06 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C998.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:25:47 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 07:26:36 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:26:56 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 07:32:16 *** Maedhros [~jc@host81-157-37-130.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 07:38:35 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:41:22 *** Poopsmith [~poop@124-197-37-77.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Poopsmith] 07:42:03 <peter1138> Boobiedoob 07:43:37 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:46:36 <Celestar> whoops 07:46:45 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C998.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 07:55:00 <peter1138> Hmm? 08:00:02 *** nzvip [~svip@AToulon-151-1-98-88.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09:35 <Celestar> nothing 08:09:42 <Celestar> just messed up some shit here :P 08:13:05 <Tefad> sounds fun 08:15:45 *** UserErr0r [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 08:18:19 <Celestar> :P 08:18:22 <Celestar> back in a few 08:20:46 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:22:53 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:25:22 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-133-26.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:37:53 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@129.187.61.232] has joined #openttd 08:45:28 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 08:48:16 <Celestar> Weee 08:48:45 <Celestar> the German Constitutionary Court has stopped another so called "anti-terror" law. 08:49:15 <Celestar> They're the last bastion of sense and reason in this political system of nutters and paranoids. 09:04:40 <ln> Oh no, the terrorists will win! 09:05:11 *** Fuju [~Fujurai@manz-590c3431.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 09:05:11 *** Fuju [~Fujurai@manz-590c3431.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:06:20 *** Fuju [~Fuju@manz-590c3431.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 09:06:24 <Fuju> good morning 09:06:33 <Fuju> one question: does anybody know if its possible to automatically buy town owned roads when building trams? right now, I have to remove all roads first, rebuild the roads and then place my tram rails afterwards which is a little PITA :) 09:07:02 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:07:43 <Noldo> it doesn't let you build tram on the town roads? 09:08:23 <ln> you need to use a PATCH SETTING. 09:10:21 <Maedhros> for building drive-through road stops on town-owned roads, yes. i didn't think you needed one for tram-tracks 09:10:45 <ln> hmm, you're probably right. 09:11:20 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:12:12 *** Gekz_ is now known as Gekz 09:13:07 <Fuju> Noldo, yes. It says "this is a town owned road" 09:13:29 <Fuju> which patch setting would that be? I have looked trough the options and difficulty settings, but didnt see anything like that 09:14:26 <Fuju> there's an option called "allow removal of city roads" or sth like that - but I have to rebuild the roads manually 09:14:40 <Maedhros> in the "Configure patches" window, go to the Stations tab, and enable "Allow drive-through road stops on town owned roads" 09:14:52 <Maedhros> but you shouldn't need it for building the tracks, only the stations 09:15:00 <Fuju> let me check it 09:16:28 <Fuju> great, that works! thanks alot. but shouldn't this option be on by default? 09:17:11 <Maedhros> i've often wondered why it isn't, to be honest 09:18:07 <ln> someone please rename the "CONFIGURE PATCHES" thing 09:18:08 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:18:11 *** lolman_ [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:18:26 *** UserErr0r [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:20:28 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:21:58 <Fuju> wow, the trams are really nice 09:24:48 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@129.187.61.232] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 09:32:09 <Celestar> ln: rename to what? 09:32:12 <Celestar> "Game options"? 09:32:34 <peter1138> "Big Gay Al's Big Gay List" 09:35:02 <Celestar> Advanced Options? 09:35:33 <ln> Celestar: for example Advanced options. 09:35:35 <Celestar> "option" "Advanced Option" "Very Advanced Options" "1337 Options" 09:36:06 <ln> Celestar: i mean, those things have never had anything to do with patches during the lifetime of OpenTTD. 09:36:15 <Celestar> I quite agree. 09:36:28 <Celestar> I've suggested to change this >1 times 09:38:21 <ln> Celestar: also a good candidate name would be "Additional settings". 09:38:55 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 09:42:21 <Celestar> I just love astronauts. "Prodecude complete with no _unexpected_ errors" .... No mention of the about 100 expected errors or what? :P 09:50:37 <Gekz> lol 09:50:42 <Gekz> how misleading 09:57:07 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm174.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:57:38 <peter1138> Of course, they're probably expecting anything to go wrong... 09:58:15 <Gekz> Expected error occured: 0 == 1. 09:58:20 <Celestar> :P 09:58:32 <Celestar> well, considering it's the most complex machine ever made ... 09:58:33 <Gekz> it doesnt effect anythign except all booleans 09:58:39 <Celestar> the Orbiter I mean .. 10:02:27 <Fuju> uhm...whenever I build a station in the central of a city, i immediately get >1000 passengers :( 10:02:46 <Tefad> i think they mean failures 10:03:01 <Tefad> sometimes you can plan for something to be out of spec, etc. 10:03:04 <Fuju> and whatever I try, i cannot get that number down - except when I place another station in the neighborhood, which then takes over that high number 10:03:14 <Tefad> but yeah, dumb. 10:04:23 <peter1138> @openttd bugs 10:04:25 <DorpsGek> peter1138: Open Bugs: 22; Not assigned: 15; Closed this week: 12; Opened this week: 9 10:04:26 <Gekz> Fuju: then turn it into a maglev 10:04:27 <peter1138> Hmmz 10:04:43 <Gekz> Fuju: spam the crap out of it with maglevs :) 10:04:59 <Fuju> 1994 :) 10:05:20 <Fuju> no maglevs yet 10:05:23 <Gekz> lol 10:05:27 <Gekz> f-f-f-fail 10:05:29 <Celestar> *yawns* 10:05:31 <Gekz> just wait then 10:05:41 <Gekz> slowly nuke land around it and purchase it 10:05:47 <Gekz> so you have enough space for a nice station 10:05:52 <Fuju> i was wondering if that happened also in the original. i can't remember having that high numbers, but its at least 10 years ago :) 10:06:04 <Gekz> oh it happened. 10:06:05 <Celestar> we've got bigger cities (= 10:06:09 <Tefad> (not G rated) FAILMOUSE http://img.4chan.org/r9k/src/1205911168498.jpg 10:06:22 <Gekz> kill him, its 4chan 10:06:24 <Tefad> hmm, did i break a rule if forgot about this channel.. but the image isn't horrid 10:06:45 <Tefad> you said f-f-f-fail... i couldn't help it : ( 10:06:45 <Gekz> oh lol 10:06:49 <Gekz> its fail 10:07:01 <Tefad> that's a no kill trap btw. 10:07:03 <Gekz> its so set up though 10:07:15 * Tefad sighs 10:07:16 <Celestar> hm ... ISS crew got a Japanese song as wake-up call today ^^ 10:07:18 <Tefad> still amusing : D 10:07:54 <Tefad> so now i have a bug up my ass to play ottd 10:08:42 <Celestar> I wish I could play ottd as well 10:08:58 <Fuju> s 10:09:00 <Tefad> it's been a while since i've updated svn : x 10:09:06 <Fuju> so...when do we get subways in openttd? :) 10:09:09 <Tefad> i usually read all the entries too . . . 10:09:17 <Celestar> Fuju: at some point ;) 10:09:19 <Tefad> are there subways in ttdpatch? 10:09:30 <Fuju> don't think so 10:09:42 <Fuju> you are using c for openttd, right? 10:09:49 <Tefad> c++ now 10:09:50 <Celestar> C/C++ 10:10:10 <Tefad> recently switched some parts to C++ (last 12mos?) 10:10:11 <Fuju> oh nice...i should think about coding c++ again 10:10:18 <Celestar> Tefad: yeah about 10:11:08 <Gekz> why the switch? 10:12:00 <Celestar> Gekz: on the long run, C++ offers more readable and maintainable code 10:12:05 <Celestar> (if done right) 10:12:19 <Gekz> hurray for logic! 10:12:29 <Gekz> omg, 8kbit/s internet is going to suck 10:12:35 <Gekz> 1KB/s this weekend, 10:13:01 <Tefad> whoa no more msvc? 10:13:29 <Celestar> Tefad: ? 10:13:34 <Tefad> reading svn updates 10:13:43 <Celestar> dunno 10:13:43 <Tefad> someone got pissed at msvc 2003 or something 10:14:03 <Celestar> rev? 10:14:26 <Tefad> 11968 10:14:34 <Celestar> @openttd rev 11968 10:14:41 <Celestar> :S 10:15:08 <Tefad> wrong one my bad 10:15:16 <Tefad> 11979 10:15:29 *** stevenh [~sh@dsl-203-113-232-15.ACT.netspace.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:15:40 <Celestar> well, only 2003 support is dropped apparently 10:19:50 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm174.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 10:20:53 <Tefad> -Update: 'exit' is consistent with UK English in OpenTTD, 'quit' with US English 10:20:56 <Tefad> hahaha years old. 10:21:06 <peter1138> Hmm? 10:21:58 <Gekz> lol 10:22:00 <Gekz> hardcore 10:26:47 *** Maedhros_ [~jc@host81-157-37-130.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:26:48 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 10:27:20 * Maedhros_ stabs freebsd in the face 10:27:23 *** Maedhros [~jc@host81-157-37-130.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:27:27 <Maedhros_> i just plugged in my ipod and got a kernel panic 10:27:49 *** Maedhros_ is now known as Maedhros 10:32:02 <peter1138> Err... 10:32:16 <Gekz> Maedhros: it could sense Steve Jobs 10:32:45 <Tefad> at least it's not the other steve 10:33:02 <Gekz> steve ballmer is a tard 10:33:04 <Gekz> a loltard 10:33:27 <Tefad> don't get all chan-board on me. 10:34:36 <Gekz> says you... 10:34:39 <Gekz> I've never been to 4chan 10:39:43 <peter1138> chan-board? 10:44:20 <Tefad> peter1138: just imagine the internet threw up on a bulletin board. 10:46:24 <Tefad> oh and this equation usually helps: anonymity + audience = incompetent jerkwad 10:47:21 <Tefad> most chans permit anonymous posting, some boards enforce anonymity 10:47:25 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:47:27 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D70.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:49:48 <ln> Eddi|zuHause3: sir, your nick is not in English. 10:49:54 <peter1138> What's a chan? 10:50:07 <Tefad> japanese word 10:50:16 <Tefad> maybe it's short for channel 10:50:25 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.boanxx22.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:50:26 <Tefad> i have no idea, nor do i care to google it right now : ) 10:50:45 <Tefad> the concept for this style of bb came from japan 10:51:14 *** peter1138 changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.3, 0.6.0-beta5 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 and full font set are mandatory | No Unauthorised Bots | English Only - Must not be enforced by ln 10:52:12 <Tefad> oh? je parle pas francais 10:52:34 <Tefad> faire du velo 10:52:54 <Tefad> i think that about exhausts my french vocabulary ; ) 10:53:09 <peter1138> That doesn't mean others can't enforce it :p 10:53:37 <Tefad> oesday isthay ountcay? 10:56:24 <Gekz> peter1138: ICH KANN HABE NEIN KATZE. 10:57:13 <Tefad> don't ever talk about my mother like that again or i shall have to do something about it. 10:57:54 <Gekz> Tefad: Deine Mutti ist nicht sehr gut. :) 10:58:19 <peter1138> Ok 10:58:24 *** peter1138 changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.3, 0.6.0-beta5 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 and full font set are mandatory | No Unauthorised Bots | English Only 10:58:29 <Gekz> lol 10:58:29 <peter1138> ln, go for it. 11:02:07 <Celestar> back 11:02:22 <Tefad> Jatsu tsappari dikkali dallan Tittali tillan titstan dullaa, Dipidapi dallaa ruppati rupiran Kurikan kukka ja kirikan kuu 11:02:40 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 11:02:54 <Noldo> That's a classic 11:03:20 <Tefad> willkommen? 11:03:57 <Tefad> RÀtsÀtsÀÀ ja ribidabi dilla Beritstan dillan dillan doo, A baribbattaa baribariiba Dibi dibidibi disten dillan doo 11:04:04 <Tefad> MAKE IT STOPPPPP 11:05:14 <Tefad> Ja barilla stillan deijadoo A daba daba daba daba daba dybjabuu, Baristal dillan stillan duubadÀg DÀgÀdÀgÀ duu duu deijadoo 11:05:19 * Tefad retires 11:05:22 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:06:52 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 11:12:05 *** stevenh [~sh@dsl-203-113-232-15.ACT.netspace.net.au] has quit [] 11:19:01 <Celestar> back 11:20:01 <Celestar> we have a blog? 11:21:27 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:21:49 <Tefad> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjvVBCNcL_A 11:23:11 <ln> peter1138: Tefad is clearly asking for a kick. 11:23:52 <Noldo> Celestar: yes 11:24:59 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N747P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:27:45 <peter1138> Celestar, yeah 11:29:24 <Celestar> not very active, thou, right? :P 11:29:31 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-200-094.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:34:54 <Fuju> that's horrible german you talk here :) 11:36:08 <TheMasterSwordsman> I'm irritated with "Can't replace track here..." and I *really* need to upgrade my track to monorail. How do I go about doing this? 11:36:31 <TheMasterSwordsman> or "can't convert railtype here" 11:38:10 <Gonozal_VIII> german? i can't see any german here 11:38:53 <Gonozal_VIII> train on the track? using pbs and track is reserved? 11:39:50 <Gekz> Gonozal_VIII: KUGELSCHREIBER 11:39:52 <Fuju> someone above was talking english, looked like a poor babelfish translation 11:40:41 <Gonozal_VIII> you know that you only need to write the first letter in uppercase, right?^^ 11:40:43 <peter1138> Yeah, upgrade empty track. Anything with trains on, including depots, cannot be upgraded. 11:42:51 <Gonozal_VIII> and you can't upgrade places without tracks^^ 11:43:23 <Maedhros> you also can't upgrade to the track type that's already there 11:43:53 <Gonozal_VIII> and the loituma girl is from bleach 11:44:12 <Noldo> bleach? 11:44:17 <Gonozal_VIII> anime 11:44:25 <Gekz> Gonozal_VIII: but pen is so aggressive 11:45:12 <Gonozal_VIII> and not the same... 11:47:46 <Gonozal_VIII> pens can be all kinds of types, a kugelschreiber is only a kugelschreiber if it has a ball (kugel) :-) 11:48:08 <Gekz> yes I know 11:48:16 <Gekz> but who uses any other kind of pen in this day and age 11:49:51 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 11:49:56 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-133-26.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:50:15 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.fountainpen.de/pics/sini/old/Saftey1/nib-500.jpg we had to use those in school 11:50:48 <Gonozal_VIII> ballpoints not allowed 11:51:21 <Gekz> Gonozal_VIII: I wasnt aware you went to school in Nazi Germany 11:53:16 <keyweed> One class, One teacher, One exam? 11:53:31 <Gonozal_VIII> not really 11:53:44 <Gonozal_VIII> but i think they're still using those in school 11:53:58 <keyweed> i did. 11:54:18 <keyweed> untill group 8 (about 12 years old) they were mandatory for me 11:54:22 <Gonozal_VIII> with royal blue ink (or whatever that's called in english) 11:54:29 <keyweed> indeed 11:54:36 <keyweed> i went to a nazi school too :( 11:55:00 <keyweed> well. that does explain my fascination for railroads ... and women in uniform. 11:55:42 <Fuju> what is a nazi school? 11:55:49 <keyweed> good question 11:56:08 <Fuju> unless you are >60 years old, i doubt that you went to a nazi school 11:56:24 <Fuju> german != nazi 11:56:40 <keyweed> very unlikely indeed. their educational filosophy has grown quite impopular. 11:56:46 <keyweed> *philosophy 11:57:40 <keyweed> Fuju: i know. i (usually) like germans and always loath nazi's 11:57:41 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess there are some schools that were founded by nazis... back then, everybody was a nazi 11:58:13 <Gekz> I'm _still_ a Nazi. 11:58:25 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 11:58:33 <keyweed> Gonozal_VIII: when i was at the university of vienna last summer i noticed the heads of school from '37 to '46 were erased from history 11:58:38 * Gekz is Hitler. 11:58:41 <Fuju> well, almost everytime I'm on IRC the nazi topic comes up here and there - and people mostly think that german equals nazi 11:58:47 * keyweed feeds Gekz a carpet 11:58:55 <Fuju> as german, I can't accept this, for obvious reasons :) 11:58:59 <Gekz> does it contain Cyanide? 11:59:12 <Gekz> Fuju: I dont think Germans are Nazis. 11:59:14 <Gekz> Nazi Germans are Nazis. 11:59:16 <keyweed> Fuju: i'm dutch. and quite a germanophile :) 11:59:17 <Gekz> Germans are French. 11:59:22 <Gekz> everyone knows that 11:59:40 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe, poor germans 11:59:47 <keyweed> Gekz: they're all romans! 12:00:04 <Gekz> keyweed: no u 12:00:05 <Fuju> its similar to...like...americans are scientologists 12:00:49 <keyweed> Fuju: all americans _are_ nazi's 12:00:55 * keyweed takes cover 12:01:10 * keyweed looks around for black helicopters 12:01:13 <Gekz> keyweed: thats true though 12:01:44 <keyweed> or at least religious fundamentalists 12:02:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D72B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:02:45 <Fuju> religion kills! believe in OpenTTD :) 12:02:45 <keyweed> ooh shit. can't say that. that anti-democratic. it's only allowed to say that about those Others. 12:03:41 <keyweed> my openttd worlds are socially, morally, fiancially and logisticly a lot better then this planet. 12:03:56 <Gekz> keyweed: if you vote Obama, you're sexist. If you vote Clinton, you're racist. If you vote Republican, it doesnt matter who you vote for, you're retarded! 12:04:33 <keyweed> Gekz: i don't even get to vote! and the idiot chosen still holds power over me! 12:04:42 <Gekz> keyweed: awesome. 12:04:48 <Gekz> keyweed: welcome to a police state. 12:05:01 <keyweed> fight uni! 12:05:44 <keyweed> ( http://www.amazon.com/This-Perfect-Day-Ira-Levin/dp/0394448588 ) 12:10:44 <Celestar> my openttd worlds are socially, morally, fiancially and logisticly a lot better then this planet. <= that's not difficult 12:10:55 * Celestar wishes to go to space 12:13:49 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 12:14:43 <Gonozal_VIII> space is boring 12:14:52 <Gonozal_VIII> there's a lot of space 12:14:57 <peter1138> Celestar, after I've grown weary of you... 12:15:14 <Celestar> peter1138: ? :P 12:15:36 *** peter1138 is now known as MingTheMerciless 12:15:58 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:16:13 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c122-108-33-134.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:20:02 *** MingTheMerciless is now known as peter1138 12:20:23 <Celestar> Ming sucks 12:20:26 <Celestar> sounds Chinese 12:20:28 <Celestar> China sucks 12:20:55 <peter1138> ... 12:21:04 <Gekz> lool 12:22:26 <keyweed> Celestar: mind if i join you? 12:22:34 <keyweed> i'd love to see an intelligent species one day 12:22:51 <Celestar> keyweed: I agree 12:23:14 <Celestar> but where are we going first? 12:23:18 <Celestar> I'd still suggest Mars 12:23:33 <keyweed> depends on our flight capabilities 12:23:53 <Celestar> Mars is the maximum we can reasonably reach... 12:24:04 <Celestar> or some Asteriods like Ceres or Vesta 12:24:04 <keyweed> if it's ftl, let's get out of this pathetic solarsystem asap. if we're going to fly for a couple of hundred years, let's start with mars 12:24:14 <Gekz> I'd say the max is just the Moon 12:24:19 <Gekz> humans have a habit of failing 12:24:21 <keyweed> nah. mars is possible 12:24:28 <keyweed> quite easily i think 12:24:43 <Celestar> We have sufficient technology and knowledge for a human Mission to Mars. 12:24:44 *** miso [slobodan.m@e179136044.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:24:45 <keyweed> we have all the components, we just need to stick them together and show some determination 12:25:16 <Celestar> all we need is 20th century technology, 19th century chemical engineering, a dose of common sense and a bit of moxie. 12:25:22 <keyweed> but we seem more interestend in reducing our fellow sentient beings to heaps of carbonised material for no particular reason. 12:25:32 * Celestar concurs 12:25:52 <keyweed> which, altough a lot of fun, seems rather useless. 12:26:36 <Celestar> A single human mission to Mars would cost about as much as the goverments of this planet spend on "Defense" ... PER DAY 12:26:39 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:12 <Gekz> knife a furry 12:27:16 <keyweed> and after all this spending money on 'defense' we're unlikely to succesfully defend the planet against any spacefaring nations. 12:27:20 <keyweed> *species 12:27:35 <keyweed> the entire 'defense' thing is actually a plot to blow up this planet 12:27:44 <Celestar> keyweed: we're unable to defend the planet against a 10km-Asteriod that would exterminated 60-95% of all life forms. 12:27:51 <Celestar> exterminate even 12:27:59 <keyweed> which, in all honesty, would totally negate the reasons for any sort of defense at all. 12:28:20 <Gekz> lol 12:28:22 <Gekz> I love it 12:28:25 <Gekz> its going to happen 12:28:28 <Gekz> and I will get hit first 12:28:32 <Gekz> I'm lucky like that 12:28:34 <keyweed> so. in short. we're achieving utterly nothing while spending loads of resources. 12:28:37 <Celestar> you don't need to be hit. 12:28:49 <Gekz> i know 12:28:55 <Celestar> you would instantly evaporate if you were anywhere in line-of-sight of the trajectory. 12:28:56 <Gekz> but it will whack me in the head first 12:28:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:29:04 <keyweed> we'll be demolished to make way for a galactic bypass 12:29:12 <Gekz> lol 12:29:23 <Gekz> (c) 12:29:29 <Celestar> Hell, a 10km asteroid could kill around 500 million people even without crashes, by just passing through the atmosphere 12:29:32 <keyweed> we haven't even bothered to check nearby space for any form of galactic adminstration 12:29:53 <keyweed> Celestar: and we're lucky if we even see it comming 12:30:09 <Celestar> keyweed: a 10km-asteroid we would see. 12:30:15 <keyweed> they can track objects the sizes of birds over the entire american continent, but a 10 km asteroid ... 12:30:32 <Celestar> keyweed: we have over 99% discovery rate for asteroids of this size. 12:30:40 <keyweed> ow. 12:30:43 <Gonozal_VIII> still 1% left 12:30:46 *** Fuju [~Fuju@manz-590c3431.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 12:30:48 <keyweed> apparently my data is outdated. 12:30:57 <Celestar> but any reasonable defense theory needs at least 10 years time. 12:31:01 <Gonozal_VIII> and discovering it wouldn't help much 12:31:36 <Celestar> "Earth is way to small a place for mankind to put its eggs in" 12:31:44 <keyweed> well, our species does have a nack to rise to the occasion 12:32:00 <Celestar> hee, well said 12:32:02 <Gonozal_VIII> yep, i don't think an asteroid could kill us 12:32:25 <miso> Hi 12:32:27 <keyweed> war and catastrophe does seem to result in near immediate scientific advances 12:32:33 <Gonozal_VIII> even if the whole planet would be covered in clouds for decades 12:33:03 <Celestar> Gonozal_VIII: we couldn't survive without the sun. 12:33:10 <Gonozal_VIII> some could 12:33:17 <Celestar> keyweed: you ought to read "Entering Space" by Robert Zubrin. it's great reading. 12:33:23 <Gonozal_VIII> artificial light underground... 12:33:26 <Celestar> Gonozal_VIII: some yes. 10% maximum. 12:33:26 *** miso [slobodan.m@e179136044.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [] 12:33:30 <keyweed> Celestar: added to the list 12:33:36 <Celestar> keyweed: :) 12:33:42 <keyweed> not that i'll ever finnish my toread list :P 12:33:54 <Gonozal_VIII> 10% is way more than enough 12:34:12 <Celestar> globally speaking yes. 12:34:42 *** ob0t [andyf@dangermouse.pod4.org] has joined #openttd 12:34:45 <keyweed> you only need a couple of men, and a substantially larger number of women 12:34:45 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:34:56 <keyweed> but the first couple of generation won't be fun 12:35:09 *** GoneWorko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 12:35:36 *** Wezz6400_ [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 12:35:39 <Gonozal_VIII> but we as a species would survive almost anything 12:35:51 <Celestar> keyweed: IF you forbid 1:1-relationships for a reasonable amount of time. 12:36:18 <keyweed> Celestar: yes. actually, you need to set op a carefully planned breeding program, which most people would find morally unacceptable 12:36:50 <Celestar> keyweed: I guess the same people that find it morally acceptable to reduce the race in the first place :P 12:36:51 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:36:52 <keyweed> including me, but .. well. can't let your species die out. ever. 12:37:24 <keyweed> 'go forth and control your population numbers' hasn't been very popular no... 12:38:10 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B65DBF.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 12:39:17 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-141-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:39:22 <Celestar> humans suck :S 12:39:25 *** hylej_ [hylje@c214.myrootshell.com] has joined #openttd 12:40:05 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> solenoid.oftc.net quits: Wezz6400, hylej, Greysc[a]le, 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Although i never tried the male part of it... 13:19:54 <Celestar> :P 13:24:35 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 13:26:59 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5D978.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:32:34 *** lolfood is now known as lolman 13:33:46 * Celestar feels sick 13:33:48 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5EA9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:34:18 <SmatZ> :-( 13:37:03 * Belugas feels the need for a coffee 13:40:35 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 13:43:29 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 13:53:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.172.21] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:53:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.172.21] has joined #openttd 13:59:28 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has joined #openttd 14:05:44 *** elmex [~elmex@p54821D52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:10:40 *** Sickro is now known as Sacro 14:15:38 *** elmex [~elmex@p54821D52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:15:40 *** elmex [~elmex@p54821D52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:34:34 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:34:49 <yorick> hello 14:36:23 <yorick> those who are watching openttd.notice: as you can see, I've FS#1866, and for those who aren't: now you know :) 14:36:45 <yorick> +posted+* 14:37:38 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 14:37:41 <peter1138> http://www.seanbaby.com/nes/naughty04.htm 14:37:42 <peter1138> :o 14:39:27 <yorick> :o 14:41:43 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:41:49 <yorick> @bugs 14:41:50 <DorpsGek> yorick: Error: The command "bugs" is available in the OpenTTD and WT2 plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "bugs". 14:41:54 <yorick> @openttd bugs 14:41:54 <DorpsGek> yorick: Open Bugs: 22; Not assigned: 15; Closed this week: 12; Opened this week: 9 14:42:59 <yorick> looks good ^^ you're at extra -3 bug count this week 14:45:01 <Celestar> @commit 14:45:01 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45:02 <DorpsGek> Celestar: Commit by peter1138 :: r12383 trunk/src/saveload.cpp (2008-03-18 23:01:33 UTC) 14:45:03 <DorpsGek> Celestar: -Fix [FS#1860]: Check return of AfterLoadGame for success or failure when loading TTD games. 14:45:24 <peter1138> Still no branch, heh 14:45:57 <yorick> I think it would be nice if all flags are in 0.6.0 :) 14:45:58 <Celestar> what branch? 14:46:04 <Celestar> 0.6? 14:46:14 <yorick> poor estonian and greek people, yes Celestar 14:46:26 <peter1138> Yar 14:46:32 <peter1138> yorick: not a chance 14:46:34 <Celestar> what bugs need fixing before branching 0.6? 14:46:48 <peter1138> 1861 14:46:52 <peter1138> Er 14:46:53 <peter1138> 1841 14:47:19 <Celestar> any idea what causes the crash? 14:47:32 <peter1138> yeah 14:47:33 <yorick> invalid tracktype or something 14:47:40 * Celestar goes having a look- 14:47:48 <peter1138> SmatZ has already got somewhere with it 14:47:48 <Celestar> can I assume that it doens't work without newgrfs? 14:48:00 <Celestar> he did? 14:48:04 <peter1138> afaik the bug does not appear without newgrfs either 14:48:28 <peter1138> FS#1838... no idea on that one 14:48:36 <Celestar> wtf ... 14:48:41 <Celestar> it tries to save an exe file :P 14:48:42 <yorick> I wonder what the lost trackbits at 1841 are doing 14:48:49 <peter1138> yeah, stupid flyspray :) 14:49:52 <Celestar> all the newgrfs are needeD? 14:50:25 <yorick> hmm...build while pause is enabled on that one aswell 14:50:36 <yorick> are you sure it has to do with train 6? 14:50:53 <yorick> because, if I let it stop and remove track in front of it, the crash still hapens 14:50:56 <SmatZ> yorick: FS#1841 is because of train with wagons of different length is reversed while leaving a depot 14:51:05 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:52:14 <yorick> ah yeah... 14:52:29 <yorick> its actually 3, because if I reverse that one it doesn't crash 14:53:12 <yorick> well..it just happens later 14:53:51 <yorick> have to go now, bye! 14:53:54 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:54:29 <Celestar> GAH 14:54:42 <Celestar> SmatZ: what version of the trainset is needed? 14:54:48 <Celestar> it complains about 0.87.3 14:56:27 <SmatZ> Celestar: you have too recent one, I have 0.87.2 14:57:36 <Celestar> SmatZ: could you send me the file? 14:58:27 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A66F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:12 <Celestar> hi skidd13 14:59:22 <skidd13> Hi Celestar 15:00:04 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 15:00:11 <skidd13> lobster: Any more information from your nightly problem? 15:00:27 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:00:44 <lobster> you mean the OSX nightly not working? 15:00:47 <skidd13> yes 15:01:06 <skidd13> any debug output or just not starting? 15:02:31 <Celestar> (gdb) p chosen_track 15:02:32 <Celestar> = TRACK_BIT_NONE 15:02:35 <Celestar> that's the one right? 15:03:22 *** anhedral is now known as dih 15:04:33 *** dih is now known as anhedral 15:05:31 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A66F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Ping timeout: Hmm ping sucks :D] 15:05:36 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A66F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:54 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:08:27 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 15:08:42 <Celestar> SmatZ: let's continue this here. 15:08:56 <Celestar> peter1138: you got a sec for FS#1841? 15:09:50 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.139] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:10:57 <Sacro> wow 15:11:06 <Sacro> Celestar and skidd13, it's like being in last year :) 15:11:27 <Celestar> (= 15:11:28 <Celestar> yeah 15:11:59 <Sacro> who next... DarkVater, HackyKid? 15:12:01 <skidd13> lol... so true... 15:12:10 <Gonozal_VIII> actually it's a skidd15 in disguise.. but don't tell anybody 15:12:21 <Celestar> SmatZ: in that savegame of yours, the train is already in the depot, right? 15:12:25 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.139] has joined #openttd 15:12:43 * skidd13 engages his 44 magnum to make this skidd15 an end 15:12:58 <Celestar> I *really* hope it's a .44 Magnum 15:13:09 <Celestar> because a 44 Magnum would be a tad large :P 15:13:27 <hylej_> awesome! 15:13:38 <skidd13> lol yes.... maybe watch too much Sledge Hammer 15:13:46 <Celestar> 112cm Caliber 15:13:47 <Celestar> :P 15:13:54 <Celestar> that'S more like an ICBM 15:14:18 <skidd13> Sledge would love it :D 15:17:06 <Celestar> :P 15:24:44 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:24:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:30:33 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1F07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:37:30 <Celestar> peter1138: 1841 is freaky 15:38:40 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: You just lost the game] 15:41:07 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@129.187.61.232] has joined #openttd 15:41:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 15:44:34 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-056-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:47:33 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 15:47:52 *** anhedral is now known as dih 15:47:57 <lobster> skidd13: sorry, i was away for a bit 15:48:06 <lobster> anyway, it just won't start 15:48:12 <lobster> even the freshest of fresh installs 15:48:21 <lobster> 0.6.0 runs fine though 15:48:44 *** dih is now known as anhedral 15:49:06 <skidd13> 0.6.0 ? 15:49:13 <Belugas> lobster, do you mean that OTTD as a whole does not start? 15:49:21 <Belugas> or specific parts of it? 15:49:38 <lobster> the nightlies for OSX, they simply don't start at all 15:49:48 <Belugas> any messages? 15:49:49 <glx> use the powerpc version 15:49:51 <lobster> only seconds after executing it quits again 15:49:54 <hylej_> lob lob 15:50:02 <lobster> no messages at all... and i have an Intel iMac, glx 15:50:12 <lobster> PPC won't run 15:50:21 <lobster> Rosetta doesn't pick it up either 15:50:23 <glx> intel version doesn't work on on OSX 10.5 15:50:28 <lobster> quite 15:50:32 <lobster> which is my OS 15:50:37 <glx> but powerpc should 15:50:39 <Celestar> @commit 2428 15:50:40 <DorpsGek> Celestar: Commit by hackykid :: r2428 /trunk (10 files in 2 dirs) (2005-06-06 22:44:11 UTC) 15:50:41 <DorpsGek> Celestar: - Feature: [newgrf] Implement shorter train vehicles (Therax), and the callback that goes with it. 15:50:42 <DorpsGek> Celestar: - Codechange: Remove some magic numbers (PALETTE_CRASH) 15:51:00 <lobster> glx: nothing PPC-based runs on an Intel 15:51:06 *** Jortuny [~octernion@d113.mertza.swarthmore.edu] has joined #openttd 15:51:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> lobster: there's an emulation mode 15:51:23 <glx> with rosetta it should 15:51:39 <glx> as others use this trick too 15:51:58 <lobster> i tried it with Rosetta 15:52:09 <lobster> gives pretty much the same result 15:52:20 <lobster> anyway, t'is odd it's not been fixed anyway 15:52:31 <lobster> although, ofcourse, i don't wish to complain 15:52:34 <glx> the problem is the compile farm itself 15:52:44 <lobster> aye, t'is? 15:52:44 <glx> but you can compile yourself 15:52:49 <lobster> hmm, i could 15:52:55 <lobster> but it's, well 15:53:24 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 15:54:08 <lobster> difficult? 15:54:12 * lobster never tried 15:54:31 <glx> easier than on windows 15:55:05 <lobster> i have installed the developement kit anyway 15:55:10 <lobster> i could give it a try 15:59:18 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )] 16:03:27 <peter1138> Can the compile farm be fixed? 16:04:28 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 16:04:43 <glx> probably, it needs some files 16:06:22 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:09:17 *** DorpsGek [truelight@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:38 <Celestar> @commit 12331 16:10:47 <Celestar> @answer me 16:10:48 <Celestar> oops 16:10:49 <Celestar> :P 16:10:55 <Yorick> it is like...gone 16:11:00 <Celestar> yeah 16:11:06 <Celestar> seen that too late 16:11:07 *** DorpsGek [truelight@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 16:11:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 16:11:24 <Yorick> @openttd commit 12331 16:11:26 <DorpsGek> Yorick: Commit by glx :: r12331 /trunk/src (4 files) (2008-03-03 20:56:30 UTC) 16:11:27 <DorpsGek> Yorick: -Feature: [NewGRF] vehicle variable FE bit 8 16:12:59 *** elmex [~elmex@p54821D52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13:11 *** elmex [~elmex@p54821D52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:14:44 <Celestar> SmatZ: I've messed around with VehicleEnter_* quite a lot. Where do you think the problem is? 16:14:44 <Yorick> FS 1804 could be closed; no savegame to proof anything, disconnecting train could happen because of missing newstations grf's 16:15:21 <Yorick> He could request reopening if he has recreated anything :) 16:15:33 <peter1138> Heh, was just looking at that one 16:16:22 <Yorick> Tomorrow is the big day, the end of winter 16:16:27 <peter1138> Bwhahaha 16:16:32 <Celestar> it's snowing 16:16:42 <SmatZ> Celestar: http://88.146.45.107/ttd/fs1841-reverse-twice.sav I have a debug info showing me wagon leaves depot too early here 16:16:53 <SmatZ> so I am near to fix it 16:16:54 <SmatZ> I hope 16:16:58 <SmatZ> at least this case :) 16:16:59 <peter1138> We've got snow predicted for Saturday... 16:17:18 <Belugas> argh.... 16:17:20 <Maedhros> :o 16:17:24 <Belugas> don't say that word :( 16:17:31 <peter1138> What, Saturday? 16:17:35 <Belugas> naaa 16:17:35 <SmatZ> :-D 16:17:38 <Celestar> heya Belugas :) 16:17:40 <Belugas> the other S word 16:17:50 <Celestar> it rhymes with "know" :P 16:17:57 <Sacro> sknow? 16:18:03 <SmatZ> we had a lot of know here yesterday 16:18:07 <Sacro> show? 16:18:12 <Sacro> :o slow? 16:18:14 <Belugas> blow 16:18:17 <Celestar> suck 16:18:18 <Celestar> :P 16:18:21 <Belugas> lol 16:18:58 <SmatZ> :) 16:19:32 <lobster> glx: who is in charge of the compile farm? 16:19:39 * lobster doesn't know 16:19:42 <Celestar> TB is, isn'T he? 16:19:42 <Yorick> TrueBrain? 16:19:55 <Sacro> Tuberculosis 16:19:59 <peter1138> yes 16:20:24 <lobster> hmmm 16:20:34 <Yorick> and he's online 16:20:39 <Celestar> hm ... custombridgeheads still exists (= 16:21:02 <peter1138> As you left it, probably ;) 16:21:17 <Noldo> it's snowing here right now 16:21:24 * Sacro hands Celestar a duster 16:21:37 <Celestar> [cbh] -Fix: Stabilize the reversing of trains on bridges/bridgeheads a little (it still crashes at times however). Also re-allow the construction of signals on bridgeheads 16:21:56 <Celestar> it appears that reversing is really giving us a hard time, doesn't it? 16:22:01 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 16:22:03 <Yorick> remove }) 16:22:08 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.139] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:22:34 <peter1138> Let's remove reversing... 16:22:38 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:22:46 <Celestar> peter1138: pass :) 16:22:52 <SmatZ> yay for FS#1674 16:23:00 <Celestar> @bug 1674 16:23:01 <DorpsGek> Celestar: [FS#1674] Bug Report (sev: Low, prio: Normal, status: Closed): 'Account is debited for no-op station build command', by Erik Sigra - http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1674 16:23:17 <SmatZ> let's wait until he requests reopening :) 16:23:20 <peter1138> :D 16:24:05 <peter1138> @openttd bugs 16:24:05 <DorpsGek> peter1138: Open Bugs: 20; Not assigned: 13; Closed this week: 14; Opened this week: 9 16:24:09 <peter1138> Hee 16:24:32 <Yorick> 2 bugs closed already :) 16:27:19 <Celestar> ok I gotta go 16:27:21 <Celestar> cu tomorrow 16:27:32 <Celestar> SmatZ: good luck with 1841 16:27:52 <Yorick> hmm..lemme build a patch for 1284 16:28:12 <peter1138> hot keys? 16:28:23 <peter1138> That's already taken care off 16:28:24 <peter1138> -f 16:28:57 <Yorick> I just like the pause-on-space idea 16:29:17 <SmatZ> Celestar: thanks :-) 16:29:36 <peter1138> With programmable hotkeys, you can make space pause, so... 16:29:47 <Yorick> worked on by who? 16:29:58 * Maedhros 16:30:09 <Yorick> ok 16:32:05 <ln> i've got an on-topic question! 16:32:16 <SmatZ> no! 16:32:18 <Yorick> orly? 16:32:22 <Yorick> tell us 16:33:00 <ln> what does {NBSP} mean in a translation file? how does that affect the way a string is shown on screen? 16:33:09 <Yorick> <space> 16:33:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> Non-Breaking-Space 16:33:14 <Yorick> " " 16:33:18 <SmatZ> ln: the same as &nbps; in HTML 16:33:19 <glx> same as 16:33:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> a line break may not appear at this place 16:33:26 <SmatZ> :) 16:34:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> e.g. when you have a currency, "12 â¬", you might want to forbid a line break between 12 and ⬠16:34:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> while still having a space 16:34:48 <ln> Yes, I know. But... 16:34:56 <Yorick> ... 16:35:20 <peter1138> But what? 16:35:47 <ln> A sec. 16:35:48 *** Fujitsu [~fujitsu@c211-28-49-204.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> like for example french typesetting rules demand a space between text and interpunctation symbols (!?«») 16:36:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> these must not allow line breaks inbetween 16:36:52 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: tv-show starting] 16:39:40 <ln> http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/nbsp.png 16:40:05 <Sacro> ewwwww kde 16:40:13 <ln> STR_INDUSTRY_PROD_GODOWN :{BLACK}{BIGFONT}{1:INDUSTRY} tuottaa {0:STRING} {2:COMMA}{NBSP}% entistÀ vÀhemmÀn! 16:40:13 <Sacro> or no 16:40:19 <Sacro> that could be clearlooks actually 16:40:47 <ln> Sacro: shut up, this is an on-topic discussion. 16:41:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's a bug reporter! hunt him down! 16:42:12 <ln> So, that makes me ask again: what does {NBSP} mean, if it doesn't mean that the line won't be broken at {NBSP}. 16:42:14 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A66F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Ping timeout: Hmm ping sucks :D] 16:42:43 <Belugas> maybe in this case it does not apply, since it would overflow out odf the window.. 16:42:45 <Belugas> dunno 16:42:47 <Belugas> wild guess 16:42:55 <ln> Belugas: will you kick me now? 16:43:00 <Belugas> no 16:43:01 <Belugas> why? 16:43:19 <ln> 21:38 <Belugas> warning : next time i see a non-english string of text from you on IRC, you'd get a kick. It's pretty frustrating to not been able to understand what's it all about. 16:43:56 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 16:43:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln: the string has a significant amount of english words in it ;) 16:44:01 <Belugas> you are a bit overreacting, aren't you? 16:44:15 <De_Ghosty> omg english words!!! 16:44:20 <De_Ghosty> DELETE DELET!! 16:44:22 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, kick him for overreacting! 16:44:25 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 16:44:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> EXTERMINATE!!! 16:44:44 <Gonozal_VIII> ANNIHILATE! 16:44:48 <keyweed> DESTROY! 16:44:53 * keyweed starts dancing 16:45:25 <keyweed> http://www.rotersand.net/pages/lyrics/welcome_to_goodbye/exterminate.htm 16:46:00 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOqn8FxuyFs 16:46:32 <Gonozal_VIII> that's from the old seasons... 16:46:36 <Gonozal_VIII> the new one is funnier 16:48:51 <ln> who wants to be assigned to fixing {NBSP}? 16:51:01 <Maedhros> hmm 16:51:32 <Maedhros> FormatStringLinebreaks uses IsWhitespace to determine where it can split strings 16:51:44 <Maedhros> and IsWhitespace returns true for {NBSP} 16:52:25 <glx> looks like a bug 16:54:47 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:56:02 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:56:38 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.boanxx22.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 16:56:42 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:24 *** nicfer [~chatzilla@168.226.104.103] has joined #openttd 17:06:59 <peter1138> One day, ln will learn how to report bugs properly. 17:07:03 <peter1138> Until that day... 17:07:49 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:08:49 *** [1]NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:11:24 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:11:48 *** De_Ghost [~s@cpe0050ba8caf2c-cm0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 17:12:08 <DaleStan> @seen TrueBrain 17:12:09 <DorpsGek> DaleStan: TrueBrain was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 21 hours, 55 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> k :) Then thank you blathijs for a good and solid solution, and good night to you all :) 17:12:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> /whois TrueBrain 17:12:34 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: not me 17:13:20 <Belugas> DaleStan, you can query him, he's always available 17:13:26 <De_Ghost> !seen De_Ghost 17:13:28 <De_Ghost> !seen De_Ghosty 17:13:34 <De_Ghost> @seen De_Ghosty 17:13:34 <DorpsGek> De_Ghost: De_Ghosty was last seen in #openttd 29 minutes and 13 seconds ago: <De_Ghosty> DELETE DELET!! 17:13:43 <De_Ghost> @seen De_Ghost 17:13:43 <DorpsGek> De_Ghost: De_Ghost was last seen in #openttd 9 seconds ago: <De_Ghost> @seen De_Ghosty 17:13:49 <peter1138> Or at least, will get a message. 17:13:54 <Belugas> and yes, TTDP trac is broken :) 17:14:06 <peter1138> trac does that 17:14:14 <Belugas> when you have one.. 17:14:16 <Belugas> still 17:14:20 <peter1138> :( 17:14:35 <Belugas> yup, sad, i know 17:14:42 <DaleStan> But ViewVC is not broken. 17:15:07 * Belugas googles 17:15:08 <peter1138> http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=135116 < nice price :o 17:15:39 <peter1138> Why do Matrox bother making graphics cards? heh 17:16:53 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:23:25 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:23:25 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:25:02 *** [1]NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 17:26:43 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:20 * Belugas is happy for lolman 17:27:26 <Belugas> and will spread the news 17:27:26 <lolman> xD 17:27:26 <Belugas> [13:26] * lolman has a job! 17:28:05 <peter1138> Great, there'll be less of him... 17:31:10 <lolman> Not that there's much of me anyway 17:31:13 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:33:45 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@129.187.61.232] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 17:35:06 <Sacro> he's only short 17:35:17 <Belugas> he's only a laugh, man 17:36:33 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489B9CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:42:10 <Belugas> # You got to be crazy 17:42:22 <Belugas> # got t have a real need 17:42:50 <Belugas> # got to sleep on your toes 17:43:25 <Belugas> # and when you're on the street 17:43:33 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489DDF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:49 <Belugas> # got to be able to pick up thje easy meat 17:43:59 <Belugas> # with your eyes close! 17:46:38 <Belugas> etc etc... 18:00:04 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0DF03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:19 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-170-19-122.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:33 <Dr_Jekyll> anyone could tell me how to merge 2 (or more) DEM files? ...when i open mircroDEM this option is greyed out... 18:05:00 <Belugas> I do not remember having any module in OTTD baring that name of microDEM, Dr_Jekyll 18:05:01 <Belugas> soory 18:05:34 <Belugas> maybe you should ask to those who wrote the said program? 18:08:01 <Dr_Jekyll> Belugas hm...i thought to ask first in here after hours of trying because i haven't found an irc support for this programm 18:08:26 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E45C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:08:31 <Patrick`> what does it do? 18:08:39 <Dr_Jekyll> and maybe someone knows what i'm doing wrong 18:08:48 <Patrick`> Dr_Jekyll: trying exclusively to find IRC support is a sign of impatience 18:09:32 <Dr_Jekyll> Patrick` it's doin nothing...and well i'm waiting for email response since 2 days... 18:09:48 <Patrick`> ah. 18:09:56 <Patrick`> give me more of an idea of what this program does 18:10:14 <Patrick`> it could be anything from teledildonics to a photoshop knockoff. 18:10:18 <Patrick`> I have nfi what a dem file is 18:10:24 <Sacro> teledildonics? 18:10:28 <Patrick`> don't ask. 18:10:34 <Sacro> i know what it is :) 18:10:43 <Dr_Jekyll> Patrick` it's described in the "How to generate superb Heightmaps"-Thread in the forum 18:10:50 <Patrick`> oh god it actually has a wikipedia page 18:10:52 <Patrick`> ah. 18:10:59 <Patrick`> ok, so it's some sort of height map program 18:11:07 <Patrick`> export to bitmap, merge in gimp, import? 18:12:12 <Belugas> haa... 18:12:13 <Belugas> ok 18:12:21 <Dr_Jekyll> hm...if there's no other option 18:12:23 * Belugas never touched that stuff 18:12:58 <Belugas> i would do it the same way Patrick` is suggesting 18:13:11 <Belugas> if you can do it the proper way, try to find other ways... 18:15:24 <Dr_Jekyll> ok...then let's make this puzzle... 18:15:29 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E45C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 18:19:18 *** antihcl [~antivert@86.99.72.209] has joined #openttd 18:33:55 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@134.102.236.219] has joined #openttd 18:34:03 <peter1138> ibble 18:34:25 <Prof_Frink> obble 18:34:58 <Sacro> ebble 18:35:23 <Gonozal_VIII> ubble 18:36:09 <Dominik> öbble 18:39:59 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44:49 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-056-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:34 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-103-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:56:02 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:56:16 *** Frostregen 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[~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:28:08 <yorick> hello 19:28:28 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E45C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:28:29 <Gonozal_VIII> oh noes, it found its way back 19:28:37 <yorick> oh noes! 19:29:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's! 19:29:27 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: Welcome to fail. 19:29:33 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe, same as ln 19:29:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, the other one!! 19:29:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> it HAS found [...] 19:29:59 <Prof_Frink> ah, right 19:30:13 <Gonozal_VIII> pff mine is correct too 19:30:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> you fail back ;) 19:30:22 * Prof_Frink tweaks his grammarnazi subroutine 19:34:33 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:22 *** anhedral is now known as dih 19:36:24 <yorick> hello 19:36:38 <dih> :-) 19:37:01 * yorick is watching over this channel 19:37:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> we're all doomed 19:38:00 * Gonozal_VIII drills some holes in yoricks floor 19:38:03 * Prof_Frink is domed 19:38:07 <SmatZ> :) 19:38:13 <yorick> aah 19:39:02 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: ===openttdcoop.org=== :tiuQ] 19:39:03 * yorick dooms 19:39:15 * Prof_Frink quakes 19:39:30 * Belugas works 19:39:59 * |Jeroen| is lazy 19:40:16 * Gonozal_VIII is lazier 19:40:50 * Belugas has no more coffee 19:40:55 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:42:21 <antihcl> hey! anyone else think there should be an option for "half load"? :) 19:42:40 * Belugas does not 19:42:51 <yorick> nope 19:42:58 <mrfrenzy> what would the point of that be? 19:42:58 <Gonozal_VIII> not really... but there's at least one patch for that 19:43:52 <Prof_Frink> The only thing that would be useful is "any load" 19:43:54 <SmatZ> @seen Tron 19:43:54 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Tron was last seen in #openttd 5 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 20 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <Tron> gcc 2.95 is plain obsolete (even has several bugs in its C++ part). further at the very least the justifications given are extremely oversimplified. 19:43:58 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:44:02 <ln> 19:06 <@peter1138> One day, ln will learn how to report bugs properly. 19:07 <@peter1138> Until that day... <-- until that day the {NBSP} won't be fixed? 19:44:08 <Prof_Frink> And even that's only useful for busses at the start of the game 19:44:31 <antihcl> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/382 19:44:31 <antihcl> there it is! :) 19:45:00 <Belugas> no doubt, that was really our Tron 19:45:08 <antihcl> it's an excellent idea 19:45:44 <SmatZ> :) 19:46:22 <Belugas> totally useless, in my point of view 19:46:32 <Belugas> like... waht would be the point? 19:47:18 <antihcl> mrfrenzy: stops micromanaging new passenger stops when you're only getting a small load but want to move if you have 10 passengers or so, not 30 19:47:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> antihcl: you can order the trains to wait for a specified amount of time 19:47:30 <Gonozal_VIII> i would like to see the leave station if x other trains are loading stuff again more.. 19:47:48 <antihcl> Prof_Frink: not really, because "any load" would mean 1 passenger :P 19:48:05 <dih> then use less waggons 19:48:09 <dih> and full load 19:48:09 <Prof_Frink> antihcl: yes. 19:48:16 <Prof_Frink> dih: FEWER 19:48:18 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:30 <dih> less wors too 19:48:35 <dih> *works 19:48:47 <Prof_Frink> No. Less is WRONG. 19:48:47 <peter1138> Yes, well, Tron would be back if it wasn't for those meddling kids. 19:49:25 <Gonozal_VIII> and the dog 19:49:33 <peter1138> Of course. 19:49:46 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 19:50:34 <ln> peter1138: Tron lacks group working skills. 19:50:34 <antihcl> Belugas: if you don't micromanage passenger trains in the beginning, when there are fewer than 30 passengers, it'll either do empty loads or wait forever 19:50:34 <antihcl> plus, you can just add 4 cars or so, which you want for the future, and just tell it to go on a 1/4 load 19:50:34 <antihcl> instead of having to add cars later 19:50:34 <antihcl> or micromanage 19:50:36 <antihcl> totally useful. 19:50:37 <dragonhorseboy> hrm no Fugas again...hmm *thinks* 19:50:38 <antihcl> eddi: o rly 19:50:38 <antihcl> well that's cool too 19:50:40 <antihcl> let me check on that 19:50:42 <antihcl> Eddi|zuHause3: I don't see the option 19:50:51 <peter1138> ln lacks bug reporting skills. 19:51:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> antihcl: in 0.6.0-beta, there is a "timetable" option at the top of the window 19:51:17 <ln> peter1138: I've noticed bug reporting is mostly waste of time. 19:51:45 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:52:00 <dragonhorseboy> eddi heh I never saw much purpose for it on shared lines *and* with breakdowns on :p 19:52:07 <dragonhorseboy> to our own I guess 19:52:16 <peter1138> TO EACH OUR OWN 19:52:22 <antihcl> eddi: ah nice 19:52:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, the timetables miss some essential features 19:52:44 <SmatZ> ln: of course bug reporting is waste of time, devs never read it 19:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> but the vehicle spacing patch helps a little 19:52:46 <Belugas> antihcl, i do not buy that 19:53:01 * peter1138 Fugazis 19:53:17 <antihcl> Eddi|zuHause3: still though, you'd have to go back and adjust that at a later time 19:54:01 <Belugas> an easier solution would be to have no load/unload order, just let the trains pick up whatever is available, and when therer is a steady flow of whaterver you're pickling up, change the order to full load/unload 19:54:09 <dragonhorseboy> hm *wonders if I should bother starting server or not* 19:54:10 <Belugas> anyway, one day, you'll have to cahnge the order 19:54:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:55:33 * Belugas wonders if there will be a suggestion to add a button that will draw the whole network for you and manage it automatically 19:55:47 <dragonhorseboy> rofl 19:55:55 <ln> I have reported the bug here, and at least three devs have noticed it and commented on it -- therefore I consider I've done my part. 19:56:04 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:56:09 <antihcl> you know how many people on the train it takes to make it profitable, not necessarily how much time that'll take 19:56:09 <antihcl> MAYBE I'LL CODE IT MYSELF THEN AND BREAK OPENTTD THERE 19:56:09 <antihcl> :P 19:56:42 <ln> Someone even tracked the location of the flaw. 19:57:03 <Gonozal_VIII> i think in terms of profit, full load is always best 19:57:10 <mrfrenzy> In real life you will not have trains that wait at a station "until it has profitable load" 19:57:17 <mrfrenzy> either it leaves on time or full load 19:58:04 <ln> mrfrenzy: during the past years certain people have tried to argue that OTTD does not completely reflect the real world in realism. 19:58:13 * Belugas hpes for ln those devs willnot forget about the bug before fixing it... 19:58:23 <mrfrenzy> ofc it doesn't. but you have to draw the line somewhere 20:00:22 * Belugas does not want to have real life been constantly reflected in the game 20:00:26 <Belugas> boring to the outmost 20:00:55 *** ammler_ [~ammler@adsl-84-227-133-26.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 20:01:15 <peter1138> So 20:01:20 <peter1138> Move PC -> Crash 20:01:20 <peter1138> :o 20:01:23 <peter1138> Also 20:01:45 <peter1138> I appear to be the owner of a 120KB USB flash memory thing. 20:03:01 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> how dare you! 20:03:36 <peter1138> It contains only 0xFF. 20:03:39 <Belugas> 120k? 20:03:41 <Belugas> strange 20:03:45 <Belugas> 128k? 20:03:48 <antihcl> belugas: that makes no sense for long trips 20:03:48 <antihcl> empty trains on long trips suck 20:03:48 <antihcl> belugas: also, if there's a steady flow, usually there's no need for full load/unload :\ 20:03:50 <antihcl> since they'll already be full 20:03:54 <Belugas> 128M? 20:03:54 <antihcl> "full load" is only useful when you've got enough waiting for nearly a full load but not enough to completely fill the train immediately. It's only useful for a very specific circumstance. Configurable loads would be far more useful 20:03:56 <antihcl> as it is, "full load" is a waste of button space :P 20:04:00 <antihcl> belugas: true 20:04:02 <antihcl> but 1/4 or 1/2 load orders would be useful for a far longer time than "full load" 20:04:04 <antihcl> whatevah, I just reduced the number of cars 20:04:04 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:04:06 <antihcl> which requires my train to go to a depot to add cars later :P 20:04:06 <antihcl> blah 20:04:08 <antihcl> belugas: full load = train waits forever. no load order = train goes empty. Something in between would just be nice :P 20:04:12 <antihcl> I'll try using no load more often 20:04:17 <hylej_> antihcl: timetables 20:04:24 <SpComb> peter1138: mount it as /dev/one 20:04:50 <peter1138> Belugas, 120KB. 20:04:59 <peter1138> SpComb, it would run out :( 20:05:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> antihcl: i use "full load" to keep my network from crowding, waiting trains cause less load on the network 20:05:09 <hylej_> /dev/twohundredandfiftyfive 20:05:22 * SpComb anagrams hylje 20:05:25 <peter1138> Full-load is useful... 20:05:26 <Gonozal_VIII> full load is good because then there's always a train loading in the station, nothing piles up, last visit is always right now and rating is as high as possible 20:05:52 <antihcl> Gonozal_VIII: wrong 20:05:52 <antihcl> if "full load" means you don't fill up for 6 months, you're still spending money on the train running 20:05:52 <antihcl> it's just a micromanagy thing I was hoping to get rid of, nvm :P 20:05:53 <peter1138> scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access USB MEMORY BAR 1000 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS 20:05:56 <mrfrenzy> when is the "random-industry-disappearance-with-high-rating" gounng to be fixed? 20:05:56 <peter1138> sd 3:0:0:0: [sda] 240 512-byte hardware sectors (0 MB) 20:06:22 <peter1138> when it's reported 20:06:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> antihcl: if a train needs 6 months to load, maybe you should make it shorter instead 20:06:33 <Gonozal_VIII> then your trains are way too long 20:06:52 <mrfrenzy> It's a misdesign, not a bug 20:06:57 <ln> well, i'm preparing to provide you with a patch that fixes {NBSP}. 20:07:13 <Belugas> mrfrenzy : NEVER!! 20:07:20 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 20:07:21 <mrfrenzy> :( 20:07:25 <mrfrenzy> I hates it 20:07:47 *** peter1138 changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.3, 0.6.0-beta5 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 and full font set are mandatory | No Unauthorised Bots | English Only | All bugs/patches/features rela 20:07:54 <peter1138> Damn :p 20:07:57 <hylej_> the topic is trunca 20:08:13 <SpComb> peter ins an unauthorized bot 20:08:13 *** peter1138 changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.3, 0.6.0-beta5 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 and full font set are mandatory | No Unauthorised Bots | English Only 20:08:25 <SpComb> topic bloat 20:08:46 <ln> peter1138: you can remove that Bjarnism "... and full font set ..." 20:09:07 <SpComb> Bjarni! 20:09:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have never seen a "full" font anyway 20:09:17 <ln> few exist. 20:09:24 <yorick> Bjarni! 20:09:31 <ln> Bjarni! 20:09:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> there's always some random ancient letter set missing 20:09:51 <Gonozal_VIII> that's my line and you're doing it wrong, the b has to be lowercase! 20:09:58 <peter1138> Hmm, wtf is that? 20:10:07 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:10:41 <ln> peter1138: Ok, the location of the NBSP bug is known, and it'll be a matter of changing one line. But which of the two? 20:10:53 *** peter1138 changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.3, 0.6.0-beta5 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English Only | http://bugs.openttd.org/ for all related bugs/patches 20:10:56 *** ammler_ [~ammler@adsl-84-227-133-26.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:11:00 <peter1138> ln, no idea, i've not looked. 20:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln: provide a patch and attach it to the flyspray report 20:11:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> err... 20:11:27 <peter1138> I'm too busy changing the topic... 20:11:50 <ln> peter1138: in gfx.cpp we have: /* whitespace is where we will insert the line-break */ if (IsWhitespace(c)) last_space = str; 20:11:53 <antihcl> eddit: and more trains taking up station slots! :) 20:11:53 <antihcl> to each his own 20:11:53 <antihcl> peter1138: yeah, but not nearly as useful as configurable loads. I've made my case, to each his own :P 20:12:00 <antihcl> oh err sorry one more thing, if you set a train to 1/4 load, in theory you'd never need to change that as more items are waiting because the train will get a full load from the stop anyway 20:12:04 <antihcl> eddi: right now I've got a train running with only 1 car, it's carrying 2 passengers between two short stops.. I can either have that, or six months for 30 20:12:04 <antihcl> I'm trying to improve relations with those cities :) 20:12:06 <antihcl> maybe not six months, but you get the idea 20:12:06 <antihcl> so, micromanaging I a-go 20:12:08 <ln> peter1138: IsWhitespace() returns true for the NBSP. 20:12:12 <ln> antihcl: STOP FLOODING 20:12:18 <peter1138> antihcl: Was anyone rejecting the idea of configurable loads? 20:12:29 <peter1138> Yes, that is annoying. 20:12:42 <ln> peter1138: Now, should that line handle the NBSP as a special case, or should IsWhitespace() return false? 20:12:58 <ln> peter1138: ATM, that's the only place where IsWhitespace() is used. 20:13:02 <peter1138> That's the only caller of it... 20:13:07 <mrfrenzy> antihcl: maybe you should have a bus instead for that short distance ;) 20:13:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> antihcl: probably a bus service would have made more sense 20:13:29 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:13:39 <SpComb> nbsp? 20:14:07 <peter1138> antihcl: full-load will not be going. configurable loads may well appear one day. 20:14:15 <ln> peter1138: The thing is that nbsp either is or is not a whitespace depending on the "perspective". 20:14:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> nbsp is not to be considered a "whitespace" for formatting line break purposes 20:15:19 <peter1138> - c == 0x00A0 /* NO-BREAK SPACE */ || 20:15:24 <peter1138> Defiantly fixes it, yes? 20:15:32 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: hence, "non-breaking" 20:15:46 <peter1138> I've never noticed it, myself... 20:16:33 <peter1138> Crap, a big recompile :( 20:16:46 * peter1138 waits for his 1250MHz POS to finish. 20:17:03 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:20 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-133-26.adslplus.ch] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 20:17:20 <ln> peter1138: Yeah, as far as I can see, that fixes it. (But then from some other perspective IsWhitespace() would be malfunctioning...) 20:17:54 <antihcl> to all doubters, I might also add that Chris Sawyer added this ability in rollercoaster tycoon because *it's useful* :P 20:18:07 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*antivert@86.99.72.*] by peter1138 20:18:07 *** antihcl was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [stfu] 20:18:15 *** lolman_ [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:18:16 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:36 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:18:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln: then find out if IsWhitespace is used at any other place, and mention this fact in the documentation of the function 20:18:55 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*antivert@86.99.72.*] by peter1138 20:19:14 <SpComb> rename it to IsWhitespaceButNotNonBreaking 20:19:33 <ln> Eddi|zuHause3: it's currently used only in one place, as mentioned. 20:19:37 <Gonozal_VIII> butnotnon?^^ 20:19:50 <peter1138> # And they're my dreams (They're mine too!) 20:20:10 <SpComb> yes, a good function name includes at least one double-negative 20:20:19 <Gonozal_VIII> that's triple^^ 20:22:16 <SpComb> IsWhitespaceAndBreaking doesn't make any sense 20:22:39 <Gonozal_VIII> that's because you can't change three negatives to none 20:22:59 <Gonozal_VIII> IsWhitespaceNonBreaking 20:23:10 <SmatZ> IsNonBreakingWhitespace? 20:23:11 <peter1138> IsNotNonBreakingWhitespace()... 20:23:21 <peter1138> And then return it the other way to that which is expected... 20:23:25 * SmatZ doesn't like function names longer than 15 chars... 20:23:35 <peter1138> Or s/Is/Check/ 20:23:58 <Gonozal_VIII> better than a strange name that doesn't say anything about the function 20:24:27 <SmatZ> who remembers function name made from 4 words... 20:24:58 <Gonozal_VIII> the name is what it does... easy to remember 20:25:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> make it a patch setting! ;) 20:25:15 <Gonozal_VIII> patch setting how the function is named?^^ 20:25:15 <peter1138> Gonozal_VIII, func1()? 20:26:02 *** antihcl [~antivert@86.99.72.209] has joined #openttd 20:26:03 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:06 *** lolman_ [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> x() 20:26:29 <peter1138> Oh ffs 20:26:36 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:26:43 <peter1138> The foil ripped on my carton of juice... 20:26:48 <peter1138> Now it's trapped from me :( 20:27:11 <SpComb> stab it 20:27:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> typical application for brute violence ;) 20:27:36 <ln> peter1138: I know this is IRC and not FS, but: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/nbsp-fix.diff 20:27:45 <ln> shit 20:28:09 <ln> now it's correct. 20:28:55 *** dih is now known as anhedral 20:29:13 <peter1138> Wankstains 20:29:20 <peter1138> Now I've got juice all over my desk :( 20:29:43 <ln> you can't blame me. 20:30:35 <SmatZ> :-D 20:31:00 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:31:19 <antihcl> sorry dudes, didn't realize I was so lagged. 20:31:22 <antihcl> mrfrenzy, Eddi|zuHause3, you are probably right about the buses 20:32:18 <mrfrenzy> you were not lagged, you got kicked because the ops got tired of your wining ;) 20:32:41 <peter1138> And the lag 20:33:09 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:11 *** lolman_ [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:34:33 <ln> hmm, Blu-ray encryption has been broken. 20:34:47 <antihcl> I wasn't whining, I was responding to questions, however the lag made it look like a great big whine. 20:35:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> what flavour of "broken" this time? 20:35:50 <peter1138> ln, but it's illegal, so nobody will do that. 20:36:08 <ln> Eddi|zuHause3: some piece of software that can remove copy protection from any disc currently in the market. 20:36:28 <mrfrenzy> nah, decrypting your own disks can never be illegal 20:36:38 *** lolman_ [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:44 <ln> mrfrenzy: sure it can, and it is. 20:36:52 <mrfrenzy> maybe in some countries 20:36:56 <mrfrenzy> not hera anyways 20:37:07 <ln> in finland, for example, it is illegal. 20:37:15 <ln> let's have a "fastest committer" competition, shall we? 20:37:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> technically, you can challenge the fact that it is a "copy protection", because you can copy the data just fine 20:37:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is a "read protection" 20:38:04 <mrfrenzy> here in sweden we pay a special tax on all blank media to compensate the content creators for private copying 20:38:11 <mrfrenzy> therefore all copy protection becomes moot 20:38:20 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:27 <mrfrenzy> wtf antihcl, 3.5 minutes lag, are you running ip over pigeons? 20:39:28 <ln> mrfrenzy: so do we, but copying your copy-protected discs is illegal despite that. 20:39:49 <mrfrenzy> no it is not afaik 20:39:59 *** anhedral is now known as dih 20:40:13 <Gonozal_VIII> we have 20 euro or something around that number extra to every device that can burn dvds 20:40:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> Gonozal_VIII: can't be, because i purchased a DVD burner for 17 euro 20:40:57 <Gonozal_VIII> since when are you in austria? 20:41:03 <dih> hey gozzy 20:41:04 <mrfrenzy> we pay like 40 cents for each blank dvd 20:41:40 <Gonozal_VIII> that's a lot... 20:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> Gonozal_VIII: typically, these kind of laws hardly differ between countries 20:41:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> EU-countries that is 20:42:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12384 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r2428): do not disconnect train when reversing, it may 'think' it is whole in a depot 20:42:51 <Gonozal_VIII> wow, thinking trains 20:43:04 <Gonozal_VIII> now that's a great new invention 20:44:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's fun that the bug was undiscovered for almost 10000 revisions ;) 20:44:35 <ln> SmatZ! 20:45:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> but isn't that missing a FS# reference? 20:45:33 <SmatZ> no 20:45:36 <SmatZ> ln! 20:46:33 *** antihcl [~antivert@86.99.72.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:47:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12385 /trunk/src/string_func.h: -Fix [FS#ln]: Non-breaking spaces should not be broken. 20:47:10 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: The Yorick Flies Away!] 20:47:27 <ln> SmatZ: nevermind, peter1138 was quicker. 20:47:44 <glx> lol @ commit message 20:47:54 <ln> is that base-36? 20:48:52 <peter1138> # come on without 20:48:55 <peter1138> # come on within 20:49:03 <peter1138> # you'll not see nothing like the mighty quinn 20:49:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> base 31 is much more fun ;) 20:50:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12386 /trunk/src/ (rail.h rail_cmd.cpp train_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#1841](r2428): train could break apart when reversed while partially in a depot 20:51:23 * SmatZ is looking for r80368 20:51:27 <SmatZ> @commit 8086 20:51:28 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by miham :: r8086 /trunk/src/lang (brazilian_portuguese.txt norwegian_nynorsk.txt) (2007-01-13 07:19:26 UTC) 20:51:29 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-01-13 08:18:52 20:51:30 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: brazilian_portuguese - 203 changed by fukumori (203) 20:51:31 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: norwegian_nynorsk - 9 changed by pollux (9) 20:52:06 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-155-4.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:52:20 <peter1138> I'm glad I understand all of that :o 20:55:46 *** Fujitsu [~fujitsu@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 20:56:36 <peter1138> # bom bom bom 20:56:41 <peter1138> # satellite of love 20:58:05 * SmatZ is happy FS#1841 is fixed, it could be another way to crash a server 20:58:09 *** Arie^ [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 21:00:39 *** Arie_ [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 21:02:19 <Belugas> wow... 21:02:26 <Belugas> Arthur C Clarke is dead 21:02:30 * Belugas mourns 21:02:34 <SmatZ> yeah :-x 21:04:45 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:13 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:23 *** Arie^ [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:38 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B65DBF.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:13:01 * peter1138 still isn't sure of 1832 21:17:59 *** Gekz [~brendan@121.218.49.21] has joined #openttd 21:18:03 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18:37 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 21:19:29 <Belugas> I shall go home now. 21:19:31 <Belugas> good night 21:19:32 <Belugas> all 21:19:37 <peter1138> 'night 21:20:15 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E45C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 21:33:15 <Patrick`> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRFlkI7GJ24 21:33:17 <Patrick`> this is not what they thought would happen when they invented the internet 21:33:29 <SpComb> lolcats? 21:34:03 <Gonozal_VIII> the internet wasn't invented, the internet was always there 21:36:29 <SmatZ> it was only discovered 21:36:36 <ln> Gonozal_VIII: after Al Gore created it. 21:36:38 <Slowpoke> so what is this internet thing now? 21:37:22 *** Worf_ [~worf@84.119.67.68] has joined #openttd 21:37:54 <Worf_> ups 21:38:17 <Gonozal_VIII> fedex 21:38:30 <Patrick`> asian man playing hymns on an ocarina made out of brocolli. 21:38:32 <Patrick`> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GabHGlGm14&feature=user 21:45:07 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 21:48:31 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:52:03 *** Arie_ [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:04 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D70.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:58:16 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D70.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:05:32 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5777E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:11:46 *** Arie_ [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 22:12:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D70.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:55 <Worf_> hmm - i wonder if here is a good place to discuss YAPP and get help trying things like that out ... 22:13:01 <Aerandir> yatta yatta 22:13:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:16 <Worf_> i found the thread in the forum about that PBS patch ... 22:13:51 <Worf_> downloaded nightly build sources and yapp_r12187_v4_3.patch ... compiled without errors ... 22:14:36 <Worf_> but the game tells me i should check the readme because my font would miss some chars and also the in the game several graphics seem to miss ... 22:14:48 <Gonozal_VIII> pbs is not hard to learn, just forget everything you used to know about signalling before you start 22:16:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Worf_: the build failed to determine the svn revision 22:17:19 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@134.102.236.219] has quit [Quit: bye!] 22:17:20 <Worf_> uh 22:17:36 <Worf_> hmm 22:17:43 <glx> what compiler? 22:18:11 <Worf_> gcc 4.2 i think (debian unstable) 22:18:20 <Eddi|zuHause> ./configure --revision=r12187M 22:18:48 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:59 <Worf_> fascinating 22:20:15 <Worf_> Eddi|zuHause: thanks...! 22:21:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Worf_: Use with care! 22:21:31 *** Gekz [~brendan@121.218.49.21] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Worf_: alternatively, retrieve the source with "svn checkout", then the revision detection works 22:23:26 <Worf_> Eddi|zuHause: i'm yet wondering what parts do need to know the revision .. but i have a view guesses 22:23:26 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-200-094.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:23:42 <glx> openttd[dw].grf needs it 22:23:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Worf_: the newgrf loading mechanism 22:24:17 <Eddi|zuHause> newgrfs can ask for the TTDP/OpenTTD version, and then decide wether they want to load or not 22:25:20 <Eddi|zuHause> for example when certain features got introduced in a revision, a grf using that feature may refuse to load in versions older than that revision 22:25:56 <Worf_> makes sense 22:50:18 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 23:01:34 <TheMasterSwordsman> How do you convert the track type into monorail, and then to maglev? I'm stuck with regular railways, and "convert rail type" isn't doing anything for me... I click on it, and try to use it on track, and it doesn't convert, I only get an error "Cannot convert track type here... 23:01:35 <TheMasterSwordsman> " 23:02:13 <Eddi|zuHause> TheMasterSwordsman: you must choose the new railtype from the rail dropdown menu firs 23:02:14 <Eddi|zuHause> t 23:02:36 <Eddi|zuHause> click and hold on the rail icon 23:06:35 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-10-222.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 23:08:48 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:09 <Worf_> ok, that PBS patch rocks ... minor glitches but basically ... wow ... 23:14:25 <Progman> minor glitches? 23:16:00 <Worf_> well, it seems that if a train has to wait too long, it reverses it's direction and remains stuck ... gotta test ... 23:19:25 <Eddi|zuHause> you can turn that off 23:21:03 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: <:] 23:22:23 <glx> "patch something=0" in the console 23:23:49 <Sacro> Worf_: yes, that annoys me 23:28:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:31:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe it was "=255" to disable 23:35:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-155-4.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:37:33 *** dih is now known as anhedral 23:42:05 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 23:46:58 <glx> can't remember precisely, but I saw it in YAPP thread 23:54:12 *** elmex [~elmex@p54821D52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]