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00:12:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:15:41 <nicfer> that opengfxpack only has got 10 files 00:21:59 *** plakkertjes [~asfasf@ip51cc357e.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:28:20 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065213.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:58 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75671.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:06 *** sickie88 [~sickie@BSN-250-12-84.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:40:24 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76774.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:51 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 00:42:03 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-84-9.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:44:21 <nicfer> any chances to split newterrain into normal opengfx and opengfx+? 00:49:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have absolutely no clue what any of your questions mean... 00:49:57 <Yexo> nicfer: As I said before, you're better of asking those question in the openttd graphic sections of tt-forums.net 01:04:29 <nicfer> why openttd forums doesn't load for me? 01:04:29 <glx> btw terrain will never be an opengfx+ as it doesn't need more than action A 01:06:03 <nicfer> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Advanced_Graphics_Replacement_Features says it has got the temperate snow and complete shore line features, and I don't think them use only action A 01:07:23 <glx> but they still can be used as static newgrf 01:07:47 <glx> opengfx+ cannot 01:08:20 <nicfer> that page is about opengfx+ 01:08:40 <nicfer> newterrain is in it, so it's opengfx+ 01:12:38 *** Rich [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 01:12:51 *** Rich [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [] 01:22:23 <nicfer> newbuildings.grf was detected as unsafe for newgrf-static 01:24:04 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:29:37 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051108166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 01:32:35 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:33:27 <glx> that's ok as it's not a simple replacement 01:35:19 <Lakie> shore lines would be an action5, nicfer? 01:49:33 <nicfer> shore lines not, but that's on newterrain AFAIK 01:49:38 <nicfer> not newbuildings 01:50:30 <Lakie> Action 5 type 0D " Coast Tile graphics" 01:50:53 <Lakie> I should know, I designed diagonal flooding 01:51:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> there are different methods for shore graphics replacement 01:51:15 <Lakie> Aye, but for the ones in OpenGFX 01:51:34 <Lakie> Its the action5 as they use lakku's curvy style last I checked 01:51:56 <Lakie> lepkka* 01:53:07 <nicfer> but the one that doesn't load as static is newbuildings 01:53:21 <Lakie> It wouldn't 01:53:31 <Lakie> As glx said they aren't simple replacements. 01:53:43 <Lakie> You could replace the graphics with an actionA surely though? 01:54:13 <Lakie> (Assuming you are changing only the graphics)? 02:06:18 <nicfer> but it's mentionated on the opengfx page, not opengfx+'s 02:06:54 <Lakie> I don't know, to be honest. 02:18:34 *** fmauNeko is now known as fmauNekAway 02:32:09 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AD2B0.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 03:00:45 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5571A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 03:02:05 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:07:53 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5768D.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:17:51 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:23:11 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 03:23:11 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:37:01 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:37:03 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 03:41:10 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-152-106.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 03:48:41 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48:43 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 04:18:55 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:42:50 *** gregor_ [~gregor@xdsl-213-168-120-88.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 04:45:39 *** gregor_ [~gregor@xdsl-213-168-120-88.netcologne.de] has left #openttd [] 05:10:07 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.106.244] has left #openttd [] 05:31:58 *** bilbous [~bill@76-10-140-50.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 05:33:40 <bilbous> hi all, quick question: why do all the transfered product I take to the end destination wind up losing money? 05:35:27 <Ammler> bilbous: with transfer? 05:35:43 <bilbous> ya secondary carrier always is in the red 05:35:48 <Ammler> you got too much for the other transport 05:35:57 <Ammler> so you have to payback a bit :-) 05:36:16 <bilbous> because the first hop is longer? 05:36:27 <Ammler> yep 05:37:02 <bilbous> THat doesn't seem to make sense ;) 05:37:25 <bilbous> Mak more money just sending the cargo to a dead end 05:39:12 <bilbous> Well thanks for the answer Ammler 05:41:22 *** bilbous [~bill@76-10-140-50.dsl.teksavvy.com] has left #openttd [Done Konversing] 05:44:29 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 05:51:37 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-51-112.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:56:17 *** Zorni [zorn@e177228170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 05:58:09 *** Zorn [zorn@e177231178.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:59:25 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 05:59:43 *** [Nemesis] [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 06:00:17 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3485b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 06:05:19 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:22:00 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 06:22:35 <TiberiusTeng> r13810 will trigger access violation in a VC build. 06:23:56 <TiberiusTeng> TarListEntry needs a copy constructor that strdup(filename) ... 06:24:35 <TiberiusTeng> or it will free itself up after being inserted into the map<string,TarListEntry> 06:25:47 <TiberiusTeng> and triggers AV when it tries to access the (now freed) string by a bitwise-copied dangling pointer 06:26:36 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-51-112.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 06:28:44 *** einKarl_ [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 06:30:29 *** einKarl_ [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:30:36 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:38:44 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:39:27 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 06:42:04 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-42.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:03:27 *** bpZero [~opera@watertownDHCP-94.216-254-228.iw.net] has joined #openttd 07:07:47 *** ArmEagle is now known as ArmEagle|CZ 07:08:47 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-018-164.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:13:24 *** wolfy is now known as Wolfensteijn 07:19:55 *** bpZero [~opera@watertownDHCP-94.216-254-228.iw.net] has left #openttd [] 07:24:20 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 07:24:22 *** GoneWacko [~foo@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 07:27:24 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 07:27:29 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:27:48 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 07:28:32 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 07:55:32 <planetmaker> morning 07:55:40 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 07:58:57 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:59:42 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 08:04:25 *** Nev [bleepy@5ad3485b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 08:06:11 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:07:21 <Rubidium> TiberiusTeng: it shouldn't be copied around anymore; I see no reason why it would need to do it 08:07:59 <Rubidium> and a copy operator doesn't solve the problem anyways; it'll only move it slightly 08:08:36 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3485b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:08:47 <TiberiusTeng> typedef std::map<std::string, TarFileListEntry> TarFileList; 08:09:00 <TiberiusTeng> when you insert a TarFileListEntry into TarFileList, it'll be copied ... 08:10:06 <TiberiusTeng> I believe that's why it was TarListEntry *, not TarListEntry 08:11:31 <Rubidium> but... we don't insert a TarListEntry 08:12:02 <Rubidium> or at least, only after the insert the tarlist entry is actually set 08:14:58 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3485b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 08:15:14 <TiberiusTeng> anyway it's triggering Access Violation here on VC2005 08:16:03 <Rubidium> and when the constructor sets the pointer to NULL by default? 08:16:25 <TiberiusTeng> and ... is the original AI broke in recent revisions ? I see them only terraforming around, but not building anything meaningful ... 08:16:59 <Rubidium> it's just enormously stupid that it needs to keep copying it around for absolutely no reason 08:17:41 <Rubidium> TiberiusTeng: the original AI still builds vehicles here 08:19:27 <TiberiusTeng> C++ standard's sometimes strange on these aspects, but it do specify how object instances should be copied on assignment operator, parameter passing etc ... 08:19:47 *** Nev [bleepy@5ad3485b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20:10 <Gekz> it does* 08:21:01 <Ammler> TiberiusTeng: newgrf? 08:21:44 <Rubidium> TiberiusTeng, the whole problem is: there is NO assignment, there is NO parameter passing, ... 08:22:33 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:23:49 <Rubidium> and the copy operator can't do much good either cause there's no way to tell whether it should free the pointer it contains or not 08:23:54 <TiberiusTeng> the TarList should std::map<std::string, std::string> IMO 08:25:22 <Phantasm> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/29-Just-Say-It.aspx 08:25:53 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:25:56 <Rubidium> TiberiusTeng: but then the string pointer value changes 08:26:12 <Rubidium> which makes it break on all platforms 08:27:14 <TiberiusTeng> looks like it's just a 'seen list' 08:27:29 <TiberiusTeng> and we should leave all memory managing stuff to std::string ? 08:27:57 <Rubidium> TiberiusTeng: yeah, with other structs having pointers to the strdup-allocated filename 08:28:37 <Rubidium> and if MSVC's map keeps copying stuff around, that strdup-allocated pointer will be long gone before it even is inserted 08:28:54 <TiberiusTeng> it's on the progress of moving to C++ if I get it right 08:30:00 <Rubidium> huh? 08:33:49 <TiberiusTeng> or you want to stick with good old char * ? Frankly I don't have anything to say about this ... 08:34:33 <Rubidium> well, the piece of code is messy, tried to stop it leaking and apparantly it worked, only MSVC (as usual) can't handle it 08:39:07 <TiberiusTeng> ok I ran it through debugger again 08:39:43 <TiberiusTeng> it AV'd on the way while inserting a new empty TarListEntry into the list 08:40:04 <TiberiusTeng> and apparently the copy operation occured there didn't get optimized out in a debugging build ... 08:40:43 <Rubidium> so it's copying a garbage pointer and then it frees the garbage pointer? 08:40:56 <TiberiusTeng> _Where = this->insert(_Where, value_type(_Keyval, mapped_type())); 08:41:00 <TiberiusTeng> looks so 08:41:17 <Rubidium> and only after that the pointer is set correctly (which you can't see as it's already crashed) 08:41:31 <TiberiusTeng> the line's in VC STL map, here mapped_type() is TarListEntry 08:41:35 <Rubidium> but that'd mean that adding a default constructor that NULLs the pointer should fix it 08:41:44 <TiberiusTeng> it'll get constructed, passed to insert (a copy operation here) ... 08:41:55 <TiberiusTeng> looks so, I'm trying it now 08:42:44 <TiberiusTeng> yeah, it worked. 08:46:53 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13814 /trunk/src/tar_type.h: 08:46:53 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix (r13810): MSVC (as usual) does stupid things. This time it is copying 08:46:53 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: around a struct it created itself, causing bad things to happen if you don't 08:46:53 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: explicitly set all variables to something remotely sane in the constructor. 08:48:13 <TiberiusTeng> thanks :) 08:48:56 <TiberiusTeng> but actually I rally think gcc -O0 will crash too 08:49:01 <TiberiusTeng> s/rally/really 08:53:54 <Rubidium> gcc -O0 without even inlining doesn't crash 09:15:24 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8121D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:16:54 *** tom0004 [~0004tom@92.5.146.78] has joined #openttd 09:17:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81329.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:17:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:17:59 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:22:28 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:30:45 <ln> @seen Bjarni 09:30:46 <DorpsGek> ln: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 0 days, 13 hours, 22 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <Bjarni> I didn't have any 09:31:59 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:32:07 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:18 <ln> ok, i want ferries that can carry trains. 09:33:41 <ln> any questions? good, start coding. 09:36:54 *** tom0004 [~0004tom@92.5.146.78] has quit [] 09:39:34 <TiberiusTeng> ahh, NewGRF GUI has added the preset function. another update ~_~ 09:40:33 <Ammler> TiberiusTeng: maybe you should make the reset economy optionally then :-) 09:41:33 <TiberiusTeng> I'll try to remember that :P 09:41:56 <ln> where are my train-carrying ferries? 09:42:06 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause3: would like it that way ;-) 09:42:18 <TiberiusTeng> DIY :p 09:49:25 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:50:40 *** fmauNekAway is now known as fmauNeko 09:51:00 <fmauNeko> Hello, World ! 10:00:01 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:01:17 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:05:59 *** nkx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:05:59 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:50 *** Yorick [~Y0R1CK@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:23:57 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:23:57 *** nkx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:25:27 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:26:13 *** fmauNeko [~fmauNeko@thor.fmauneko.eu] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 10:28:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D533.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:28:47 *** fmauNeko [~fmauNeko@thor.fmauneko.eu] has joined #openttd 10:32:24 *** nkx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:32:24 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:44 <guru3> anyone recon it'd be possible to make a version of openttd that ran entirely in the browser? 10:37:45 *** nkx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:46 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:38:03 <Yorick> guru3: possible 10:38:15 <Yorick> but most likely slow as hell 10:38:17 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:38:24 <guru3> ive seen 3d games in the browser 10:38:43 <Rubidium> 3d games are relatively simple 10:38:47 <guru3> true :/ 10:38:49 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:01 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:39:03 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:39:07 <guru3> still, i twould be cool 10:39:11 <guru3> i could play openttd at work then 10:39:14 <Rubidium> they for sure don't push data around at the rate OpenTTD does, except for the drawing 10:39:30 <Rubidium> why wouldn't you be able to play at work then? 10:39:42 <guru3> tcp connections have a way of mysteriously closing 10:39:55 <guru3> i'm having to ssh via a webapp called anyterm as it is 10:39:57 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40:11 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:40:13 <guru3> and so i toccured to me that if you can put a 25x80 terminal in a browser, why not openttd 10:40:18 <guru3> so *it 10:40:42 <blathijs> guru3: Running an app in a browser doesn't magically make it use a different protocol 10:41:02 <Yorick> because the terminals are slightly more UFT-8 based and openttd somewhat sprite-based? 10:41:06 <blathijs> guru3: I would say that that browser ssh terminal still uses ssh to communicate 10:41:13 <guru3> no, but i just thought running it win a browser would be cool, portable, and wasy to use 10:41:30 <Yorick> there are some remote-desktop java clients... 10:41:32 <Rubidium> blathijs: it looks like it actually doesn't 10:41:52 <guru3> http://anyterm.org/ <-- uses a apache module in conjunction with javascript to do some funky magic 10:41:53 <blathijs> guru3: No, to make openttd run in a browser, we would need to make it portable, it wouldn't magically become portable 10:42:06 <blathijs> guru3: Yipes, that's scary 10:42:15 <guru3> i didn't mean portable as in portable to a different platform porting 10:42:16 <blathijs> OTOH, perhaps not as scary as TCP-over-DNS :-) 10:42:19 <guru3> i meant portable as in easy to take a long 10:42:35 <guru3> you wouldn't need to install it 10:42:42 <guru3> you'd just need to open the page to your install of it 10:42:50 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:43:24 <blathijs> guru3: If you put openttd on an USB stick, you can probably get the same result 10:43:48 <Rubidium> TCP-over-DNS is just an awfully brilliant idea ;) 10:43:51 <guru3> i'd need to carry a usb stick 10:44:18 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static217-26.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:20 <guru3> arghm can't you just let me enjoy my cool idea 10:44:24 <guru3> *argh, 10:44:25 <Rubidium> http://httppc.sourceforge.net/ 10:46:13 <Yorick> argh...who got the idea of the onunload event 10:46:22 <Yorick> in conjunction with opening the same page again 10:51:43 <blathijs> guru3: Sorry, didn't mean to block your brainstorm :-p 10:53:02 <guru3> np, i can forsee massive technical difficulties, but if we always let those get in our way... i'm sure you can imagine the technilogical level we'd all be at 10:54:36 <guru3> that line needs a ;) after it... 10:54:38 <guru3> ;) 10:56:35 <Yorick> http://www.abrahamjoffe.com.au/ben/canvascape/ 10:57:55 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:58:10 <guru3> seems a bit jumpy 10:58:25 <guru3> http://www.jangaron.net/jangaron0.5/jangaron.html 11:03:41 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228068098.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:03:45 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-51-112.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 11:04:48 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3485b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:06:05 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:07:15 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3485b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:07:46 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7CB6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:15:34 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:19:29 <Yorick> how about sending the framecounter with the game_info packet? 11:20:28 <Rubidium> and the usefullness of that? 11:21:16 <blathijs> game_info packet is de UDP response? 11:21:19 <blathijs> s/de/the/ 11:21:27 <Rubidium> yes 11:21:30 <Yorick> it is 11:21:52 <Yorick> it would be helpful on a correct estimation of the game date 11:22:16 <Rubidium> and how would that algorithm work? 11:22:55 <Yorick> game_date + (framecounter - game_info_framecounter) / 74 11:23:41 <Rubidium> huh? 11:23:59 <Yorick> the openttd gamedate counts in days, right? 11:24:04 <Rubidium> yes 11:24:20 <Yorick> one game day is 74 frames 11:24:24 <Rubidium> yes 11:24:43 <Yorick> I could use that to calculate the game days at all times... 11:24:48 <Yorick> date* 11:24:50 <Rubidium> no 11:25:04 <Rubidium> not correctly at least 11:25:08 <Yorick> assuming I have a start-position and take pauses into account 11:25:37 <Yorick> ? 11:26:01 <Rubidium> framecounter can start at any moment in a day 11:26:20 <Rubidium> so if you get the game info in the half of a day, it's already 37 too much (or too few) 11:29:20 <Rubidium> and how do you count the framecounter for the "correct" game date? 11:33:14 <Yorick> Rubidium: hmm...I think I'll request the date as soon as I'm in the game 11:33:17 <Yorick> then track pauses 11:33:36 <ln> i wants ferries 11:33:37 <Yorick> and use the PACKET_SERVER_FRAME for the frame-counting 11:33:46 <Yorick> ln: you wants grf 11:34:08 <Yorick> also...I'll use something to floor it 11:34:39 <ln> Yorick: do grfs have ferries that can carry trains and road vehicles? 11:35:01 <Yorick> no 11:35:12 <Yorick> only fake ones 11:35:25 <Rubidium> it does if you do s/mail/road vehicle/g;s/passenger/train/g 11:35:38 <Yorick> and just use bridges 11:45:43 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-51-112.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 11:54:09 <Yorick> heh, searching your own name on wikipedia, not the best thing to do...http://yorick.sourceforge.net/index.php :O 11:56:30 <Progman> you are an interpreted programming language? ;) 11:56:59 <Yorick> apperently 11:57:16 <fmauNeko> Yorick is a bot :p 11:57:43 <Yorick> I know... 11:58:19 <dih> i thought bots were more intelligent than that :-P 12:11:18 *** [Nemesis] [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:11:37 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:13:36 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 12:13:55 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:15:11 *** Nev [bleepy@5ad3485b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:17:08 <SmatZ> any native English spearker here for a little question? :) 12:17:14 <SmatZ> -r 12:17:56 <ln> u cant trust them 12:18:11 <SmatZ> hehe 12:18:22 <SmatZ> my question is not about "wagon" x "waggon" 12:18:42 <ln> try and ask your question 12:18:57 <SmatZ> is it allowed to say "Your behaviour is likely to cause problems" ? 12:19:12 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 12:19:39 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3485b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:53 <SmatZ> !seen Bloody 12:19:57 <SmatZ> @seen Bloody 12:19:57 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Bloody was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 21 hours, 38 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <Bloody> :( 12:20:18 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 12:20:25 <ln> syntactically: yes, semantically: yes, pragmatically: unknown 12:22:00 <planetmaker> [14:18] <SmatZ> is it allowed to say "Your behaviour is likely to cause problems" ? <-- though not native speaker, it looks to me like a correct sentence by all means. 12:22:16 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:22:24 <SmatZ> ln: planetmaker: ok thanks :) 12:22:40 <planetmaker> np :) 12:23:37 <Yorick> depends on who you are speaking to, if the content is also correct 12:24:24 <SmatZ> :) 12:24:29 <planetmaker> which depends heavily upon the definition of "problem". 12:27:30 <Yorick> "/* Converted from an ingame table by WizKid */" <-- now is it converted by WizKid, or is the ingame table made by WIzKid? 12:28:05 <SmatZ> I think b) is corrent 12:28:08 <SmatZ> -n+c 12:29:14 <Yorick> it's the OTTD_month_date_from_year_day table, btw 12:30:01 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm214.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:31:29 <rortom> oh 12:31:33 <rortom> days working 12:31:34 <rortom> but 12:31:39 <rortom> money not :\ 12:31:46 <rortom> also 120 seconds are too long 12:31:50 <rortom> thats 49 days 12:32:14 <rortom> oh, btw 12:32:26 <Yorick> ? 12:32:29 <rortom> the bot desyncs if the net_freq_value is changed 12:32:43 <rortom> stats update interval now 90 sec 12:32:53 <Yorick> 1.you're talking in #openttd, 2. the bot can't desync, I think 12:33:02 <rortom> wops :p 12:33:05 <rortom> wrong chan ;) 12:42:56 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7CB6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 12:46:48 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B8936.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:48:02 *** Yorick [~Y0R1CK@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:56 *** Yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:49:46 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 12:50:15 *** Yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 12:54:08 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 12:57:47 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@189-68-38-242.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 12:59:06 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static217-26.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 13:13:07 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:16 * SpComb yawns 13:29:49 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:38:44 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13815 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_controller.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: minor corrections in AIController (Yexo) 13:46:22 <glx> nice lag 13:55:08 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static217-26.adsl.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:55 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 14:11:33 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B8936.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 14:17:38 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:25:10 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:48:30 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:49:29 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 14:51:59 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-51-112.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:52:02 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-51-112.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 14:52:51 <Yorick> hmm, is â a real *, or is it a part of my password? 14:53:18 *** GoneWacko [~foo@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:53:20 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:53:42 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:54:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes. 14:54:48 <SmatZ> ââââââââ 14:56:10 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-42.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 14:56:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> SmatZ: does your client also mask your passwords with â when you type it? 14:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> like when i type ââââââ it comes out as ââââââ? 14:57:17 <SmatZ> âââââââ 14:57:18 <SmatZ> yeah 14:57:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> cool ;) 14:57:33 <Yorick> SmatZ> hunter2 14:57:55 <Yorick> it didn't work here 14:58:14 <SmatZ> [16:57:33] <Yorick> SmatZ>âââââââ 14:58:17 <SmatZ> here it does 14:58:26 <Yorick> ah, because it's your password :) 14:58:31 <SmatZ> yeah :) 14:58:35 <SmatZ> wait :-P 14:59:10 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:59:51 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@189-68-38-242.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:49 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:05:54 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 15:06:32 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc90f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:11:44 <planetmaker> lol. People reading too mach bash.org :P 15:11:59 <Progman> indeed ;) 15:12:08 <Yorick> you too, it seems 15:12:17 <Progman> . o O (damn) 15:12:29 <planetmaker> :) I was only told ;) 15:12:49 <planetmaker> ...or? :P 15:14:39 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 15:16:12 *** planetmaker is now known as pm|away 15:17:06 *** pm|away is now known as planetmaker 15:18:03 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm214.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:19:39 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13816 /trunk/ (12 files in 3 dirs): -Fix [FS#2150]: check for vehicle length changes outside a depot (callback 0x11) and give a warning about that 15:21:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D533.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D533.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:18 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.106.151] has joined #openttd 15:46:57 *** Zorni [zorn@e177228170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:33 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:03:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:04:22 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:11:02 *** plakkertjes [~asfasf@ip51cc357e.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:13:45 *** dyzdyz [~dyzdyz@phobos.petrus.pl] has joined #openttd 16:13:50 <dyzdyz> hi all 16:14:33 <Yorick> hi 16:14:37 <Yorick> what's your question 16:15:03 <dyzdyz> i don't know how to compile openttd with copy-paste patch under Debian 16:15:08 <dyzdyz> Debian Etch 16:15:27 <dyzdyz> i can compile it without patch with no problems 16:15:31 <dyzdyz> v 0.6.1 16:15:57 <dyzdyz> where should *.patch file be located? 16:15:58 <Yorick> what don't you know then? 16:16:10 <Yorick> just in the directory you're compiling it in 16:16:17 <glx> put .patch where you want 16:16:34 <glx> you just need to apply it before compiling 16:16:40 <Yorick> patch -p0 -i "/dir/to/your/patch/file.patch" 16:16:59 <dyzdyz> oh, i didn't know that 16:17:03 <dyzdyz> i'll try now 16:18:15 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers.] 16:21:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause3: would like it that way ;-) <- ??? 16:21:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> what do i have to do with ferries? 16:22:04 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 16:23:14 <dyzdyz> ok, i've got it compiled 16:23:37 <dyzdyz> how to check it? is there anything i neet to change in openttd.cfg? 16:23:42 <Yorick> nope 16:23:55 <Yorick> just run 16:24:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13817 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Cleanup (r13816): no need to check for ENABLE_NETWORK, _networking is defined anyway 16:24:08 <dyzdyz> can i use my saved game? 16:24:13 <Yorick> you can 16:24:19 <Yorick> just RUN 16:25:16 * SmatZ runs! 16:25:48 <Yorick> run openttd 16:25:53 <Yorick> cd bin 16:25:55 <Yorick> ./openttd 16:27:40 <dyzdyz> no such file... but when i just run "openttd" game starts, but i think it's version from "deb" package 16:27:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> run, dos, run! 16:28:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> "make run" is the command ;) 16:28:13 <Yorick> how exactly are you compiling? 16:28:23 <nicfer> hmmm could I make an update to the opengfx all in one pak+ 16:28:26 <nicfer> ? 16:28:42 <dyzdyz> 1. patch -p0 -i "copypaste.patch" 16:28:47 <dyzdyz> 2. ./configure 16:28:50 <dyzdyz> 3. make 16:28:55 <dyzdyz> 4. make install 16:29:21 <Yorick> leave the make install 16:29:29 <Yorick> I don't think you need it 16:30:02 <Yorick> ./configure && make && cd bin && ./openttd 16:30:15 <Rubidium> ./configure && make run 16:30:49 <Yorick> ^^ 16:30:54 <dyzdyz> ok, just need to copy "sample.cat" & others 16:31:21 <Yorick> and 16:31:27 <Yorick> copypaste.grf ;) 16:31:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> dyzdyz: put them in ~/.openttd/data 16:31:59 <nicfer> could I zip my updated opengfx files and post it in the forums so people can download it faster? 16:32:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> dyzdyz: then they can be used by every openttd installation 16:33:27 <dyzdyz> brb 16:33:50 <dyzdyz> phone :-) 16:34:25 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: ReconnectingâŠ] 16:34:35 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:37:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> limitation disturbs me very sprites. goes it throw out limitation? 16:42:10 <nicfer> no response? 16:43:06 <dyzdyz> wow 16:43:20 <dyzdyz> i copied files into the "data" dirctory 16:43:46 <dyzdyz> tried to run game 16:43:58 <dyzdyz> and it look like gameserver starts... 16:44:28 <Yorick> you have SDL installed? 16:44:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> sdl-devel 16:45:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> configure will cry if you don't 16:45:30 <dyzdyz> libsdl1.2-debian 16:45:35 <dyzdyz> ? 16:46:16 <Yorick> could you paste the configure and make output to paste.openttd.org? 16:46:36 <dyzdyz> ok, one moment 16:46:56 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7CB6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> dyzdyz: no, you need the development version of sdl 16:47:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> not just the runtime version 16:48:47 <dyzdyz> libsdl1.2-dev ? 16:49:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes 16:49:29 <dyzdyz> ok, done 16:49:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:49:39 <dyzdyz> another try goes on :-) 16:49:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> now ./configure again 16:50:11 <dyzdyz> checking SDL... found :-) 16:50:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> you should also install the dev versions of the other libraries used... png, freetype, fontconfig... 16:52:17 <dyzdyz> ok, libtmidity is for music? 16:52:41 <Yorick> it is 16:52:57 <Yorick> zlib 16:53:00 <dyzdyz> ok, i don't need music 16:53:25 <Yorick> zlib is for savegame compression 16:53:30 <Yorick> you need it to join network games 16:53:54 <dyzdyz> i've got zlib, libpng12-dev... 16:54:01 <dyzdyz> freetype and fontconfig now 16:54:08 <Yorick> try ./configure 16:56:10 <dyzdyz> checking zlib... found... checking libpng... found... checking libfreetype... not found... checking libfontconfig... not found 16:57:21 <dyzdyz> ok, got everything - now compilig 16:58:06 <dyzdyz> i love playing at work :-) 16:58:24 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 17:01:06 <dyzdyz> ok, now it works 17:01:21 <dyzdyz> now i need to copy my savegames and .cfg 17:01:40 <dyzdyz> are *.grf configuration saved in openttd.cfg? 17:01:46 <Yorick> yes 17:01:47 <dyzdyz> *is :-) 17:02:28 <nicfer> could I zip my updated opengfx files and post it in the forums so people can download it faster? 17:02:57 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 17:04:24 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Supper-thingie-Poef!] 17:05:04 <dyzdyz> how to tell my new version of openttd that my saves and cfg are in ~/.openttd ? 17:06:30 <Noldo> there is propably command line option for the config 17:06:33 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:07:25 <dyzdyz> i can overwrite it, but where is the new cfg located? 17:08:20 <dyzdyz> ok 17:08:23 <dyzdyz> i've got it 17:08:30 <dyzdyz> i just tried to run it as root 17:08:57 <dyzdyz> thanks for help everyone 17:09:54 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:10:38 <nicfer> no response? 17:19:06 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:17 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7CB6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:22:44 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7CB6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:24:20 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7CB6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:26:00 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7CB6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:51 <nicfer> anyone here? 17:29:38 <glx> nicfer: I think you should ask on the forum as nobody here works won opengfx 17:33:13 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7CB6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:33:44 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7CB6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:00 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7CB6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:40:56 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7CB6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:20 <peter1138> hello 17:43:10 <rortom> hi 17:44:24 <blathijs> glx: Silly graphic artists that don't use IRC :-p 17:44:27 <blathijs> hey rortom 17:45:10 <rortom> http://france.rigsofrods.com:8080/ 17:45:16 <rortom> also, sneak preview :) 17:46:12 <rortom> its not perfect or anything... 17:47:58 <blathijs> rortom: It generates its own API docs? :-) 17:48:07 <blathijs> rortom: Or just serves them? 17:48:22 <rortom> it serves them ;) 17:51:43 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-51-112.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 17:54:04 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-51-112.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 17:59:25 <peter1138> Hm 18:06:01 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 18:17:42 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 18:17:57 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 18:19:03 *** Yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:28:09 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:28 <jordi> blathijs: I uploaded 0.6.2rc1 to experiemntal 18:29:06 <jordi> blathijs: if 0.6.2 is released during the week, I'm confident it'll be able to slip in, and later on we'll have to fight for 0.6.3 18:29:14 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13818 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2157]: Deselect currently selected NewGRF when changing GRF preset. 18:29:27 <jordi> which again, will have better chances the sooner it's released the better. 18:30:22 <peter1138> Well 18:30:27 <peter1138> That was the wrong TASK 18:30:28 <peter1138> never mind 18:34:18 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-147-155-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 18:37:19 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 18:37:26 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 18:48:09 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:44 *** svippery [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:56 *** svippery [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:51:29 <peter1138> Hmm, autoreplace didn't refit my aRVs :o 18:51:54 <Lakie> I suppose that could be a minor issue, Peter. 18:52:08 <Lakie> Such as them just loading (nothing) for a long time... 18:52:16 <peter1138> No shit sherlock 18:53:20 <hylje> dig deeper, Watson.. 18:57:15 <peter1138> @seen bjarni 18:57:15 <DorpsGek> peter1138: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 0 days, 22 hours, 49 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Bjarni> I didn't have any 18:58:08 <hylje> he still doesn't have any 19:12:23 <blathijs> jordi: k, cool :-) 19:13:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host107-16-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:14:27 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 19:14:32 <Wolf01> hello 19:16:41 <ln> buongiorno 19:19:47 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 19:19:48 <jordi> blathijs: release people are saying the freeze starts this weekend 19:19:55 <jordi> I don't know when exactly 19:20:04 <jordi> so, let's count on our good luck 19:20:24 <peter1138> What's freezing? 19:20:43 <rortom> feature freeze? 19:23:30 <valhallasw> yeah, stable branch, probably 19:23:33 <Rubidium> jordi: but openttd 0.6.x is already in feature freeze for a long time 19:24:23 <jordi> Rubidium: I know, but try to tell the Debian release team. 19:24:44 <jordi> a Debian freeze is really a serious freeze, you need to fight every update 19:25:06 <jordi> although I hope they'll be flexible due to the "network protocol compatibility" argument 19:25:22 <Rubidium> 0.6.2 should be fairly easy to get in 19:25:24 <Prof_Frink> jordi: That's what's powering the LHC cooldown 19:25:35 <Rubidium> due to the nature of the bugs that are fixed 19:25:35 <jordi> LHC? 19:25:41 <valhallasw> large hadron collider? 19:25:42 <Prof_Frink> Large Hadron Collider 19:25:52 <jordi> Prof_Frink: Debian? 19:25:57 <jordi> /cool/! 19:26:00 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B8936.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:26:03 <Prof_Frink> It's within about 3K of absolute zero 19:26:11 <jordi> yeah, I read about it 19:26:13 <jordi> pretty amazing 19:26:17 <Prof_Frink> And still losing heat the the Debian Freeze 19:26:27 <jordi> doh 19:26:30 <jordi> now I get it :) 19:27:44 <blathijs> jordi: We'll try to do the release tomorrow 19:28:13 <jordi> blathijs: sounds very convenient 19:28:37 <jordi> I'll see if any autobuilder picks openttd and unveils any build problem 19:28:43 <jordi> in experiemntal, that is 19:29:29 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:31:52 <jordi> still no experiemntal builds 19:34:20 <Rubidium> it's just that everyone wants his/her packets in right now ;) 19:34:20 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:31 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 19:35:33 <fmauNeko> !playercount 19:35:34 *** fmauNeko was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 19:35:44 *** fmauNeko [~fmauNeko@thor.fmauneko.eu] has joined #openttd 19:35:52 <Prof_Frink> fmauNeko: Fail. 19:35:52 <fmauNeko> sry :p 19:40:03 <jordi> Rubidium: the release team is being drowned in exception requests already 19:40:47 <jordi> part of Debian was already frozen (toolchain, base system, etc) but tomorrow every other package will enter the freeze and everyone is scrambling to get their latest bits in 19:41:16 <Rubidium> just mail secunia and you'll get a higher place on the list 19:41:28 <jordi> I'm seeing many new versions being uploaded, I suspect it's the same case as this one, Debian maintainers asking their upstream authors to "flush" their SVN changes to a tarball 19:41:39 <jordi> heh 19:42:51 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:58 <Rubidium> the ability to crash servers remotely should be enough to get past the freeze I reckon 19:44:06 <jordi> that's some info I had no news about yet 19:44:10 <jordi> is there a CVE for that? 19:44:15 <Rubidium> nope 19:44:21 <jordi> will there be? 19:44:29 <Rubidium> not that I'm aware of 19:44:41 <jordi> I guess mitre should be informed 19:44:47 <jordi> it's pretty easy to do 19:45:07 <jordi> also, if that's a vulnerability present in past versions of openttd, a CVE is good so distros patch it 19:45:18 <jordi> it happens with freeciv frequently 19:45:23 <jordi> well, not frequently 19:45:25 <jordi> it has happened before 19:45:30 <Rubidium> for OpenTTD too 19:45:36 <jordi> ah, good 19:46:14 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5571A.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:46:51 <Rubidium> http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=openttd 19:48:35 <jordi> ah, all previous to Debian inclusion 19:51:20 <rortom> mh RoR has also a debian package laying around somewhere :/ 19:53:16 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54:50 <jordi> rortom: a debian package for what? 19:56:20 <rortom> http://rigsofrods.com/ 19:56:21 <rortom> ;) 19:57:37 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 20:00:01 <peter1138> Bah, stupid monitor. 20:00:47 <peter1138> Oh, maybe not. 20:00:48 <jordi> rortom: wow, cool 20:00:55 <peter1138> It seemed to be non-linear in the X-dimension. 20:01:05 <peter1138> However it has an adjustment for that :o 20:01:27 <peter1138> Unfortunately RoR is not open source :( 20:01:39 <rortom> yep 20:01:39 <peter1138> And there's no 64 bit Linux version either. 20:01:44 <rortom> yep 20:01:46 <rortom> http://apt.rigsofrods.com/ 20:02:01 <rortom> we are working on both topics :) 20:02:07 *** dyzdyz [~dyzdyz@phobos.petrus.pl] has left #openttd [] 20:02:13 <peter1138> 64 bit support is easy: let me build it ;) 20:02:19 <rortom> hehe :P 20:02:46 <rortom> my 64 bit buildchain failed under gentoo :( 20:03:47 <peter1138> Oh bollocks, my libasound2-plugins package got updated :( 20:05:20 <jordi> peter1138? 20:05:46 <jordi> oh I had assumed it was fre 20:05:47 <jordi> +e 20:06:04 <jordi> peter1138: tell me more about that -plugins package of yours? 20:06:20 <jordi> I'm currently talking about a 1.0.17 update in Debian with another DD on jabber :) 20:06:27 <peter1138> Ubuntu, I'm afraid. 20:06:37 <peter1138> I just compiled it with jackd support... 20:06:49 <peter1138> I don't know if Debian has the same issue. 20:08:07 <jordi> peter1138: arey ou a MOTU? 20:08:14 <peter1138> Nope. 20:08:25 <jordi> peter1138: we are *very* open to patches of this nature in Debian. Ubuntu will get them for free. :) 20:09:02 <peter1138> The support is there by default, it's just built without the jack dependency. 20:09:38 <peter1138> Annoying as the plugins are built as individual shared libraries, so in theory it could be a separate package. 20:09:40 <jordi> Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.16), libavcodec51 (>= 0.svn20080206), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libjack0 (>= 0.109.2), libpulse0 (>= 0.9.8), libsamplerate0 20:09:50 <jordi> Debian does TRT ;) 20:09:54 <peter1138> TRT? 20:09:59 <jordi> the right thing 20:10:13 <jordi> Build-Depends: autotools-dev, debhelper (>= 6), libasound2-dev (>= 1.0.12), libavcodec-dev, libjack-dev, libpulse-dev, libsamplerate0-dev | libsamplerate-dev, quilt (>= 0.40) 20:10:22 <jordi> yeah, I explicitly build-dep on libjack-dev 20:10:39 <peter1138> Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.14), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.1), libpulse0 (>= 0.9.8), libsamplerate0 20:10:50 <peter1138> Ubuntu doesn't want any jack dependencies by default, I believe. 20:11:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> wasn't TRT some polish TV channel? 20:11:16 <rortom> gentoo FTW! :) 20:11:23 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause3: turkish IIRC 20:11:23 <blathijs> Probably because jack isn't in main and libasound is 20:11:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> could be turkish, yes 20:11:54 <peter1138> blathijs: libasound2-plugins *could* technically be split up. 20:12:02 <peter1138> libasound2-plugins-jackd, for instance. 20:12:30 <peter1138> Apparently the build system does not support bits of a package in different sections. 20:12:43 <blathijs> That might be the problem, indeed 20:13:02 <jordi> no 20:13:07 <jordi> splitting it is trivial 20:13:19 <blathijs> I never really managed to understand all those *verses in Ubuntu, I like Debian's way better 20:13:27 <peter1138> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-plugins/+bug/84900 20:13:31 <blathijs> Then again, never really tried 20:13:32 <peter1138> Yeah, I'm tempted to switch back ;) 20:13:33 <jordi> just put + * Merge from debian unstable, remaining changes: 20:13:33 <jordi> + - debian/control: 20:13:34 <jordi> + - Do not build-depend on libjack-dev and libavcodec-dev. 20:15:51 <peter1138> And I need jack to run all the synths for my keyboard ;) 20:16:28 <jordi> ah 20:16:37 <jordi> no build-deps from universe is a real problem 20:16:43 <jordi> ah well, Ubuntu 20:16:55 <jordi> Debian separates only due to licensing, not to support or not support :) 20:17:36 <peter1138> Indeed. 20:17:57 * peter1138 considers the difficulty in switch to Unstable... 20:18:19 <jordi> peter1138: testing is often a good choice too 20:18:31 <Rubidium> testing usually lacks security updates 20:18:32 <peter1138> But I like bleeding edge :) 20:18:40 <jordi> peter1138: up to date, no bad surprises after an upgrade 20:18:56 <jordi> Rubidium: afaik, there is testing security coverage except for the kernel 20:19:53 <blathijs> testing-security is indeed in place since a month or so 20:20:50 <Rubidium> http://www.debian.org/devel/testing <- says quite explicitly something about the absense of security 20:21:43 <rortom> http://xkcd.com/221/ 20:21:45 <rortom> ;) 20:21:52 <Rubidium> ofcourse being near a release is a good reason to get the security team on it, but when lenny's out the security team won't touch testing till just before the near release 20:23:13 <Rubidium> never had any major issues with SID since I installed my laptop 20:23:20 <Rubidium> nearly 3 years ago 20:24:12 <jordi> Rubidium: I've been a sid user for more than 10 years now 20:24:16 <jordi> and I've seen scary shit 20:24:31 <blathijs> Seems that that page is a bit outdated, testing has almost full security support 20:25:14 <jordi> yeah 20:25:21 <jordi> pam (0.76-6) unstable; urgency=low 20:25:25 <jordi> * The "No, I don't think I actually want any of what upstream is 20:25:25 <jordi> smoking" release 20:25:32 <jordi> * If this were already in testing, this would be an severity emergency 20:25:32 <jordi> upload 20:25:45 <jordi> * pam_unix currently treats * in shadow file as no password not 20:25:46 <jordi> disabled; major security issue; fixed in upstream CVS, (patch 035) Closes: #164659 20:26:03 <blathijs> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/06/msg00006.html 20:26:17 <jordi> so, for 4 days, disabled accounts were accessible without a password 20:26:23 <jordi> this one was fun ;) 20:26:25 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:26:30 <blathijs> jordi: yipes 20:26:50 * Rubidium likes the excessive valgrinding too 20:27:18 <jordi> actually, make that nearly one month 20:27:27 <jordi> Rubidium: that was LEGENDARY ;) 20:27:56 <jordi> that made me waste *a lot* of free time to fix 20:28:03 <jordi> and days of paid work at office 20:28:31 <blathijs> excessive valgrinding? 20:29:09 <jordi> like removing two lines of code, one of which makes openssl's entropy pool a joke ;) 20:29:53 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13819 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix (r13801): --man-dir=xxx was 'ignored' 20:30:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't understand it... 20:30:47 <Rubidium> blathijs: finding a 'reading uninitialized' variable in valgrind and then trying to fix it at all costs 20:31:04 <Rubidium> when it's used for entropy of ssl key generation 20:32:59 <Rubidium> if only X, SDL and alsa would do that ;) 20:37:31 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 20:42:26 <blathijs> Rubidium: AH, that valgrind :-) 20:43:15 *** Yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: quit] 20:49:01 <peter1138> SmatZ, why did you add that comment to callback 11? 20:50:10 <peter1138> In the GRF wiki, that is. 20:50:29 <SpComb> ugh, photoshop -> HTML web design is a bad idea in my mind 20:51:00 <peter1138> Hmm 20:51:51 <SpComb> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=38544 <-- hmm... I was thinking of that idea earlier 20:51:58 <SpComb> but wasn't really interested in implementing it 20:53:32 <peter1138> Holy crap 13816 is a massive load of pointless ness! 20:54:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> SpComb: iirc someone did that already like 2 years ago... 20:54:45 <SpComb> figures 21:03:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 21:03:56 <peter1138> Hmm, last.fm's all changed :o 21:05:42 <Sacro> peter1138: yeah 21:05:43 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc90f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... one of these tiny black insects crawled under the surface of my display... 21:11:27 <Prof_Frink> thrips 21:11:42 <Prof_Frink> It'll crawl about a bit, then die and not move. 21:11:47 <glx> a bug? 21:11:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah... die where i cannot ever remove it... 21:12:38 <Prof_Frink> Yep 21:14:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'd make a screenshot... but ... :p 21:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> "FransenflÃŒgler beschÀdigt Monitore [Bearbeiten] 21:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> Dieses Insekt ist zu einer Plage fÃŒr Besitzer von TFT-Monitoren geworden. Vom Licht des Monitors angezogen, fliegt es durch die LÃŒftungsschlitze in den Flachbildschirm hinein und befindet sich dann hinter Panelglas und Diffusorfolie. Das Insekt stirbt und ist daraufhin im Monitorbild sichtbar. GarantieansprÃŒche werden von den Herstellern unterschiedlich gehandhabt. Samsung bestÀtigt beispielsweise, dass "zwischen Diffusorfolie und 21:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> TFT-Panel weder Staub, noch Tiere oder Fremdkörper gelangen dÃŒrften".[1]" [wikipedia] 21:22:53 <rortom> D: 21:23:41 *** Nev is now known as bleepy 21:25:59 <ln> Eddi|zuHause3: you have no problem having a dead body on your screen every day? 21:40:38 *** Sacro1 [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:48:00 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:44 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:58:53 <Wolf01> 'night 21:58:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host107-16-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:59:13 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7CB6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 22:03:31 *** ropiku [~ropiku@89.39.35.66] has joined #openttd 22:06:16 *** ropiku [~ropiku@89.39.35.66] has quit [Quit: ropiku] 22:13:38 *** thgergo [~thgergo@members.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 22:16:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-42-222.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 22:18:06 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:18:48 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 22:20:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... i had my monitor off for an hour, and i don't see it anymore... 22:21:35 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:25:16 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B8936.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 22:38:41 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:42 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: bai Noetloj, now to bed] 22:38:43 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 22:38:48 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 22:45:33 *** Prof_Frink is now known as BRIAN_BLESSED 22:46:18 *** BRIAN_BLESSED is now known as Prof_Frink 22:47:08 *** plakkertjes [~asfasf@ip51cc357e.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:13 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:11 *** Sacro1 [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:44 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: miham * r13820 /trunk/src/lang/ (13 files): (log message trimmed) 22:59:44 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-07-25 00:59:06 22:59:44 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 3 fixed by tucalipe (3) 22:59:44 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: catalan - 10 fixed by arnaullv (10) 22:59:44 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: czech - 12 fixed, 3 changed by Hadez (15) 22:59:46 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: danish - 21 fixed by ThomasA (21) 22:59:46 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: dutch - 16 fixed by habell (16) 23:02:55 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:06:32 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:21 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3485b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:28 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:09:47 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-147-155-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [] 23:20:37 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 23:32:18 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 23:34:02 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:34:44 <ln> now that we know aliens exist, what next? 23:36:08 *** Blam [~blaminato@host86-139-173-142.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:38:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have one of two question: a) do we? b) is this new?, please choose ;) 23:42:35 *** Marduuhin [~mardo4@84.86.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:08 <ln> if an apollo astronaut says they do exist, who are we to say no? 23:43:09 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 23:43:19 <Blam> people with common sense 23:44:45 *** Marduuhin [~mardo4@84.86.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 23:44:47 <Blam> right pals, if anyone is about 23:44:48 <Blam> i have a question 23:45:04 <Blam> i can't seem to grasp the concept of how i should place the signals in a simple roro system 23:47:53 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:55:13 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 23:59:02 <Yexo> Blam: check http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Presignal_Basics part 3 23:59:17 <Blam> alright, i had a look around but didn't have much luck, thanks