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00:21:20 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-186-91.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:32:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7737A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B773ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:38:57 <ccfreak2k> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART I wonder if any of the concepts here can be applied to OpenTTD. 00:42:37 <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly do you mean? 00:46:39 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:46:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:42 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:59:48 *** lolman [~John@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:26 *** lolman [~john@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:02:23 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 01:04:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:11:19 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet604.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:11:36 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-177-181.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:14:21 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485BEA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:18:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BE4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:21:17 *** lolman [~john@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:43 *** lolman [~john@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:25:37 *** lolman [~john@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:28:01 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-184-245.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 01:29:03 *** lolman [~john@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:31:59 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-25-139.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:32:23 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-25-139.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:34:26 *** lolman [~john@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:18:37 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:21:53 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:35:04 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:42:52 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:55:11 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493FC2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 03:02:38 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180066141.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:07:41 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064240.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:41 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 03:35:36 *** Jezral [~projectjj@213.237.107.120.adsl.od.worldonline.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:40:11 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@213.237.107.120.adsl.od.worldonline.dk] has joined #openttd 04:25:43 *** Jezral [~projectjj@213.237.107.120.adsl.od.worldonline.dk] has joined #openttd 04:29:26 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33:13 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@213.237.107.120.adsl.od.worldonline.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:27:34 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:27:50 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 05:27:57 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:14:28 <dih> mornin 06:14:46 <SmatZ> hello 06:17:49 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 06:19:36 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:23:03 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 06:33:56 <SmatZ> I was so tired yesterday so I fell asleep... 06:34:15 <SmatZ> and I woke up at 7am, that's strange :-x 06:36:06 <petern> you fell asleep? 06:36:07 <petern> wow 06:36:26 * petern is, forcibly, woken at 7 every day :o 06:37:29 <dih> 6am here 06:37:42 <dih> i am trying to be at work everyday before 8 06:37:51 <dih> then i can go home earlier :-D 06:38:12 <petern> with the disadvantage of starting earlier 06:39:20 <SmatZ> :-) 06:43:22 *** Zuu [~Zuu__@c-143c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 06:43:42 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:47:43 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:47:43 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 06:56:07 * dih yawns 06:56:16 <dih> ... hehe .... good yawning :-P 06:57:30 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DCF3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:10:09 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 07:13:38 <dih> anybody here able to solve a trac error? 07:13:52 <dih> http://paste.openttd.org/133525 07:17:50 <SmatZ> :-) 07:17:58 * SmatZ is not able 07:21:46 *** Doorslammer [~monarodoo@144.138.223.251] has joined #openttd 07:27:12 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggs-work 07:39:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 07:40:04 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [] 07:45:49 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:45:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:45:52 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 07:51:01 <planetmaker> g'day 08:01:54 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 08:03:28 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 08:03:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 08:08:51 <Celestar> hail 08:10:49 <Doorslammer> Ave 08:11:51 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 08:14:06 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:16:19 <MURRAY> MORNIN' 08:16:31 <MURRAY> AND HAPPY INTERNATIONAL CAPSLOCK DAY 08:16:42 <planetmaker> OpenTTD ludituri vos salutant! 08:17:53 <Doorslammer> Oh god 08:18:22 <Doorslammer> These Romans are crazy 08:18:54 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:23:01 <planetmaker> indeed. 08:23:26 <planetmaker> OpenTTD competition in circus maximus :P 08:23:43 <planetmaker> only the winner won't be fed to the lions :P 08:34:08 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 08:34:48 <Celestar> The indians have launched their first lunar spacecraft this morning. 08:35:06 <Celestar> and the Europeans still sit on their fat butts doin' nuttin' in that regard. 08:36:30 <Doorslammer> Um, they have ESA, Ariane etc. 08:36:54 <Doorslammer> Mind you, its all launched in French Guiana or something aint it? 08:40:59 <roboboy> what of source forges services did OpenTTD use? 08:41:35 <roboboy> / what sf services has OpenTTD used? 08:43:35 <petern> bug tracker and file hosting 08:43:41 <Celestar> Doorslammer: yes. and they still haven't managed to send as much as a a grain of salt to a lunar orbit. 08:44:00 <Celestar> let alone lunar surface 08:44:18 <roboboy> so SVN? 08:44:28 <petern> no, not svn 08:44:34 <petern> i'd've said svn if it had 08:44:52 <roboboy> so just hosting the compiled version? 08:45:08 <petern> hosting the releases, including source 08:45:29 <roboboy> was the reason OpenTTD moved that the site was unreliable and slow? 08:45:36 <petern> sf is fucking shit, yesz 08:45:52 <roboboy> ok 08:48:00 * Doorslammer looks for Ariane 5 explosion 08:48:27 <Zuu> While the sf service is free it is not the best for productive work. 08:50:55 <Celestar> Doorslammer: ? 08:51:39 <Celestar> the Ariane 5 has an ... acceptable success rate. 08:51:53 <Celestar> no comparison against the Delta, Titan or Progress unfortunately. 08:52:05 <Celestar> or even Ariane 4 08:53:10 <Doorslammer> Maybe, I cant remember it now, it was big news at the time 08:53:14 <Celestar> yeah 08:53:17 <Celestar> flight 501 08:53:48 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-18.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 08:54:36 <Doorslammer> Thats the one, just found it 08:54:58 <Celestar> 157 went badly wrong as well 08:55:13 <Celestar> and two more partial failures 08:55:20 <Doorslammer> Oh? What one was that? 08:55:47 <Celestar> the first flight went off course and was detonated back in 1996 08:56:19 <Celestar> and the first flight of the EC-A variant in 2002 had a failed upper stage 08:56:49 <Doorslammer> Bit crap, aren't they? 08:57:16 <Celestar> not too crappy 08:57:40 <Celestar> but if SpaceX can get their Falcon 9 Heavy right, Ariane will be out of business. 08:58:44 <Celestar> more payload, much lower cost 09:00:00 <Celestar> and at least theoretically a much higher reliability 09:00:05 <Doorslammer> Nice 09:00:33 <Celestar> but first they need to launch the Falcon 9 (non-heavy) onto her maiden flight 09:01:48 <Celestar> the Falcon 9 will be man-rated. 09:02:05 <Celestar> the Ariane 5 is actually man-ratable. 09:03:29 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230128200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:07:56 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:07:56 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:07:59 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:11:08 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 09:17:58 <dih> 10:23 < planetmaker> only the winner won't be fed to the lions :P <- can we do coop? 09:18:12 <planetmaker> :D 09:22:30 <Celestar> (= 09:23:56 <dih> yes - ok Celestar, we'll let you coop with us :-P 09:27:30 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:30:25 <TrueBrain> can I arrange the lions? 09:30:38 <Eddi|zuHause> according to some past future predictions, we should have extensive moon habitats by now :p 09:31:24 <planetmaker> the warp drive is not far ahead on the invention schedule :P 09:31:28 <planetmaker> Nor the rising of magic. 09:31:34 <planetmaker> Depends upon whom you trust. 09:32:47 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@213.237.107.120.adsl.od.worldonline.dk] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 09:36:19 <TrueBrain> hmm 09:36:19 <TrueBrain> magic 09:38:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:39:34 * TrueBrain waves #openttd a good day ... work is upon me 09:39:35 <TrueBrain> bye :) 09:43:54 <Celestar> hey 09:44:30 <Celestar> TrueBrain: you arrange the lions, I arrange the code so that I will win :P 09:44:59 * Celestar loves Alt+SysRq+b :D 09:45:50 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: we could easily have several moon bases by now if mankind wasn't that busy trying to kill each other and breaking each other's stuff 09:46:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not so sure about that... mankind would never have left the atmosphere if it wasn't trying to kill each other 09:47:35 <Eddi|zuHause> space flight is merely a small side product of military rocketry 09:48:26 <Celestar> yes 09:48:38 <Celestar> and that's the fundamental fiscal problem we have in spaceflight 09:48:52 <Celestar> it's never been made to be efficient 09:49:33 <Eddi|zuHause> both the russian and the american rocket programs are based heavily on german research during the war 09:52:32 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AD667.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:54:17 <dih> 11:45 * Celestar loves Alt+SysRq+b <- without s and u? 10:04:40 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 10:05:06 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-18.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:11:07 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:13:20 *** scarabeus [~quassel@88.103.16.210] has joined #openttd 10:16:21 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:16:40 * Brianetta prefers Alt-SysRq-o 10:17:47 <Brianetta> When I press Alt-SysRq, Compiz asks me where to save the screenshot )-: 10:18:54 <scarabeus> @seen TrueBrain 10:18:54 <DorpsGek> scarabeus: TrueBrain was last seen in #openttd 39 minutes and 18 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> bye :) 10:19:25 <scarabeus> again in wrong time :] 10:19:46 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:19:53 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 10:20:21 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:20:32 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 10:22:03 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:22:04 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:22:07 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:20 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:22:31 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 10:22:38 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:25:13 <dih> Brianetta: try ctrl+alt+sysRq 10:25:15 <dih> :-P 10:29:04 <Mortal> isn't it called print screen? 10:30:16 <Brianetta> Mortal: Alt-SysRq is supposed to be intercepted by the Linux kernel, regardles of other functions. 10:30:52 <dih> only if it's enabled 10:30:55 <Mortal> oh, that way 10:31:16 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-191.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 10:31:18 <dih> but you can enable a sysrq-trigger file in /proc 10:31:32 <dih> and then simply echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger 10:32:01 <Eddi|zuHause> is there any information on what these sysrqs do? 10:32:36 <dih> s = sync (hdd's) 10:32:43 <dih> u = unmount 10:32:47 <dih> b = reboot 10:33:02 <dih> there is also e, but i cannot remember what that one is for 10:34:13 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493CBBB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:55 <SpComb> raising elephants is so utterly boring 10:37:04 <dih> no - elephants are fun... esp the little ones 10:37:11 <dih> so full of energy 10:37:15 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: sysrq (h)elp, presumeably, there's also some kind of list on wikipedia, under "Magic SysRq key" 10:37:18 <yorick> no, skinny ones are much better 10:37:18 <dih> and always to be had for some fun 10:37:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.203.221] has joined #openttd 10:37:25 <dih> jsut the mother gets in the way :-D 10:38:04 * SpComb had to REISUB his workstation a couple times last week 10:38:18 <SpComb> X got completely stuck when you logged out or closed/killed the session 10:38:27 <yorick> RSEIUB! 10:38:32 <SpComb> and then it started detecting three nonexistant USB devices every second 10:39:09 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.208.77] has joined #openttd 10:45:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.203.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:51 <Brianetta> Magic SysRq *is* enabled. It just doesn't work in X. 10:48:08 <Brianetta> This makes it: A fat load of use. 10:50:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.254] has joined #openttd 10:50:35 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:58 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:56:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.208.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:52 <dih> Brianetta: even with ctrl+alt+sysrq? 10:59:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.220.105] has joined #openttd 11:00:17 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493CBBB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 11:06:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.205.77] has joined #openttd 11:10:31 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B508C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:16:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.220.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:18:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.212.120] has joined #openttd 11:19:30 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:25:08 *** questionmark [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:25:42 *** yorick is now known as Guest953 11:25:43 *** questionmark is now known as yorick 11:25:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.205.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:27:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.192.127] has joined #openttd 11:28:31 *** Guest953 [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:24 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83AD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:28 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:30:39 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 11:32:50 <Celestar> while [ 1 ]; do beep; done 11:34:34 <dih> LOL 11:35:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.212.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:07 <dih> Celestar: that would be something to do on a dedicated server :-D 11:35:10 <Celestar> the problem is, this gets ssh-forwarded :( 11:35:24 <Celestar> I need to do it on a remote box :S 11:35:37 <dih> you can configure xterm how to handle bell 11:35:46 <dih> or put the connection in screen and configure screen 11:35:50 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:31 <Celestar> in screen I could only find stuff about the visual bell 11:36:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.192.127] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:37:00 <yorick> :) 11:37:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.167.137] has joined #openttd 11:38:17 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-191.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 11:38:35 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-139.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:39:27 <Celestar> man there must be a way to trigger the system beeper of a remote box :S 11:40:29 <Eddi|zuHause> echo the bell character to a terminal not in your ssh session? 11:40:38 <yorick> echo -e "" 11:41:06 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: yes 11:43:51 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-25-139.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:00 <Celestar> or any other way to make a computer generate noise (apart the coolers & disks) 11:45:28 <yorick> reboot? 11:45:57 <welshdragon> use pulseaudio 11:46:18 <Celestar> can't. a process is running which I shouldn't interrput 11:46:30 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 11:46:39 <welshdragon> aah 11:46:47 <Celestar> isn't pulseaudio a little over the top? :P 11:46:49 <dih> Celestar: how about somthing in proc? 11:46:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.219.142] has joined #openttd 11:46:57 <Celestar> dih: explain? 11:47:01 <dih> or find how to create a character device for it :-P 11:47:19 <dih> perhaps there is something in /proc that will trigger the system bell to beep 11:47:36 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:37 <dih> or perhaps there is a device you can create with mknod 11:47:40 <dih> that will do the same 11:47:45 <Celestar> hm 11:47:48 * Celestar goes looking 11:48:35 <Celestar> there's /dev/dsp but that's not the speaker 11:48:46 <dih> but what if there is no speaker? 11:49:29 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.188.172.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 11:49:33 <yorick> there's always a speaker... 11:49:36 <dih> else a small c app should be able to do it 11:50:03 <dih> yorick: not true, but that is not what i wanted to say 11:50:09 <Celestar> there is a speaker 11:50:12 <dih> i wanted to say, what if there is no audio configured 11:50:16 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:50:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:50:22 <dih> perhaps dsp then outputs to the speaker 11:50:23 <Celestar> dih: system beep, not audio (= 11:50:40 <yorick> system beep is likely to be there 11:50:44 <dih> if dsp has nothing to output to, the system might beep, all i am wanting to say 11:50:54 <Celestar> dsp is configured apparently, because I've already tried cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/dsp 11:51:03 <dih> lol 11:51:12 <dih> i once managed to play songs via the pc speaker :-D 11:51:18 <petern> snd_pcsp 11:51:50 <dih> not present on all systems, however, it will prob be easy to create it with mknod 11:51:56 <glx> pc usually don't have real speaker now 11:51:58 <dih> just need the correct params 11:52:11 <Celestar> petern: ? 11:52:18 <dih> they have a we little beeper 11:52:29 <dih> and if it's too loud you put a drop of hot glue on it 11:52:40 <dih> and it can do more than just 'beep' 11:53:03 <yorick> can it beep with multiple tones? 11:53:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.167.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:20 <Celestar> I just need beeps 11:53:25 <Celestar> I need to locate this damn box 11:53:40 <yorick> you forgot where it is? 11:53:54 <dih> and beep does not work (the command)? 11:54:21 <glx> echo ^G should work too 11:54:22 <Celestar> beep outputs to the ssh session 11:54:30 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 11:54:42 <dih> Celestar: trigger it via a cron job :-P 11:54:43 <yorick> or could it be possible that you are sshing to your own machine? 11:54:52 <Celestar> yorick: nope :P 11:54:58 <Celestar> since I know the location of that one :P 11:55:16 <petern> yeah, "beep" works 11:55:23 <petern> though it's hard to hear ;D 11:55:29 <dih> lol 11:55:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.177.122] has joined #openttd 11:55:57 <petern> ah, i can hear 2200Hz well 11:55:58 <yorick> I wonder if openttd will output the BELL char to the terminal... 11:56:23 <petern> now to scare colleagues ;D 11:56:33 <Celestar> petern: how are you doing this :D 11:56:42 <petern> using "beep" 11:57:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.177.122] has quit [] 11:57:31 <petern> coo, you can make it play music ;) 11:57:39 <dih> :-) 11:57:43 <dih> told ya 11:57:54 <Celestar> I don't manage :P 11:57:57 <dih> hehe 11:58:54 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:57 <petern> for i in {20..30}; do beep -l 100 -f ${i}00; done 11:59:28 <Celestar> er 11:59:35 <Celestar> that puts out a string to my console :P 12:00:20 <petern> is it suid root? 12:00:25 <dih> Celestar: have 'beep' processed by busybox? :-P 12:00:41 <Sacro> never trust any command that needs to be setuid root 12:01:04 <dih> :P 12:01:07 <Celestar> :P 12:01:17 <Celestar> which beep 12:01:17 <Celestar> which: no beep in (/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/root/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/opt/kde3/bin:/usr/lib64/jvm/jre/bin:/usr/lib/mit/bin:/usr/lib/mit/sbin:/usr/lib/qt3/bin) 12:01:22 <Celestar> :P 12:01:22 <dih> make ./openttd suid root 12:01:52 <dih> Celestar: locate beep :P 12:02:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.219.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:29 <Celestar> :P 12:02:34 * Celestar goes doing some WORK 12:02:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.177.122] has joined #openttd 12:03:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.177.122] has quit [] 12:03:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.177.122] has joined #openttd 12:04:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.186.30] has joined #openttd 12:04:44 <petern> well you'll have to install it then 12:04:54 <petern> oddly enough, these things have to be installed to work ;) 12:04:59 <Celestar> ;) 12:05:08 <Celestar> this clearly isn't my day 12:05:13 <Celestar> I can't read files from the cluster 12:05:16 <Celestar> i can write them 12:05:21 <Celestar> i can create them 12:05:24 <petern> now i need something to convert musical notes to frequencies... 12:05:25 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 12:05:26 <Celestar> I can list them. 12:05:30 <Celestar> petern: er simple. 12:05:34 <Celestar> A4 is 440 Hz. 12:05:41 <petern> yes, i know 12:05:47 <petern> i was meaning "not manually" 12:06:03 <Celestar> every note above/below is *2^(1/12) more/less 12:06:04 <glx> I'm quite sure a tool exists 12:06:13 <Celestar> yeah, it's called "piano" 12:06:42 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:09:17 <Brianetta> My piano has USB MIDI support 12:09:38 <dih> yay 12:09:59 <dih> you could connect it to my lovely mac and start recording various instruments using garage band 12:10:31 <Brianetta> or I could connect it to my lovely Linux PCs and have OpenTTD's music come out rendered by the glorious Roland GM2 processor. 12:11:09 <dih> oh nice 12:11:15 <dih> a Roland :-) 12:11:27 <Brianetta> Yes. They let me borrow for it. 12:11:42 <dih> good make though 12:11:47 <Brianetta> Couldn't afford £1800 otherwise. 12:11:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.177.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12:12 <dih> a christian company :-P 12:12:18 <Brianetta> oh yuck 12:12:25 <Brianetta> I thought they were Japanese 12:13:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.186.220] has joined #openttd 12:13:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.186.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:13:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:15:01 <Brianetta> I can't find any evidence supporting the assertion that they're a Christian company. 12:16:42 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:46 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:20:27 *** Zorn [zorn@g224107045.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:20:53 <dih> could be that it's just the branch in germany 12:21:16 *** Zorni [zorn@g224107045.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:45 <yorick> "...is a Japanese manufacturer" 12:23:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.162.224] has joined #openttd 12:23:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.162.224] has quit [] 12:24:00 <dih> yorick: that does not say that it's not christian :-P 12:24:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.162.224] has joined #openttd 12:24:18 <yorick> you've seen christian japanese? 12:24:44 <dih> ? 12:24:51 <dih> what's wrong with that? 12:25:11 <dih> i know chinese christians - in fact there are many many of them 12:25:15 <dih> even in china 12:25:21 <dih> underground church groups 12:25:34 <yorick> http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-434333/Roland-supports-Christian-music-market.html 12:25:45 <yorick> much is wrong with that 12:26:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.162.224] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.162.224] has joined #openttd 12:26:30 <dih> Roland was at the Promicon 2007 12:26:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.162.224] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:40 <dih> and nothing is wrong with that at all 12:27:26 <yorick> lets go into the christian - atheist bash topic 12:28:31 <keyweed_> oooh. bashing! 12:28:32 <dih> yorick: if you have an issue with roland supporting christians then visit them, send them a letter, phone them 12:28:40 <keyweed_> which side are we on? 12:28:50 <dih> yorick = atheist 12:28:59 <dih> at least that is what the young kid believes he is :-D 12:29:05 <dih> uh oh - i used the wrong word 12:29:09 <dih> sorry yorick 12:29:26 <yorick> ~( 12:30:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.186.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:07 <yorick> "young" 12:30:22 <dih> (:-D)= 12:30:28 <dih> anything wrong with that word? 12:30:31 <yorick> what would you consider an "old kid" then 12:30:32 <keyweed_> i'm an agnost and usually considder myself neutral, but i can argue from any side :) 12:30:48 <yorick> keyweed_: at least I know... 12:30:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.224] has joined #openttd 12:30:58 <dih> yorick: no - you dont know anything 12:31:02 <dih> Belugas knows 12:31:07 <yorick> about whales 12:31:09 <keyweed_> at least i'm smart enough to know my human limitations. 12:31:16 <dih> aye 12:31:23 <dih> they are always quite obvious :-P 12:32:42 <yorick> and white 12:33:53 <yorick> (talking about the whales, not about the humans and/or limitations) 12:34:38 <dih> i was just about to ask if that was a racist comment 12:35:13 <Brianetta> <yorick> you've seen christian japanese? 12:35:26 <Brianetta> Yes, yorick: My aunt 12:35:56 <yorick> your aunt is japanese? 12:36:08 <dih> and she's christian :-P 12:36:11 * yorick touches Brianetta 12:36:21 <Brianetta> My aunt is Japanese, yes, and she's a Christian. 12:36:48 <Brianetta> Her husband, my uncle, is Australian. They teach English in Hiroshima. 12:37:05 <yorick> wasn't that bombed? 12:37:09 <Brianetta> Yes, it was. 12:37:14 <dih> 14:36 * yorick touches Brianetta <-- WTF 12:37:18 <Brianetta> It didn't *stay* bombed. 12:37:27 <yorick> nuclear? 12:37:30 <dih> yorick: you should pay more attention at school 12:37:50 <dih> you seemingly only have picked up bits and pieces 12:38:09 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat3.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 12:38:19 <yorick> they only teach me about china 12:39:06 <dih> well - there are christians too :-P 12:39:19 <Brianetta> http://eavesdown.org/miscellany/japan/hiroshima/index.html 12:39:50 <yorick> wasn't it something with nuclear bombs that people can't live there? 12:40:12 <Brianetta> er, no 12:40:18 <Brianetta> FOr a time, perhaps 12:40:26 <Brianetta> but it was, what, over 60 years ago 12:40:29 <glx> and it was a "small" bomb 12:40:33 <Brianetta> Indeed 12:40:34 <dih> hehe 12:40:37 <Brianetta> Only a few kiloT 12:40:49 <Brianetta> Air-burst, too 12:40:52 <Brianetta> low fall-out 12:40:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.224] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.224] has joined #openttd 12:42:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.224] has quit [] 12:42:21 *** lolman [~john@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:42:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.224] has joined #openttd 12:42:22 <keyweed_> they sill have more birth defects and cancer there though. 12:43:11 <dih> had the bom exploded a few meters above the ground it would have had a worse effect... 12:43:18 <dih> *bombs 12:43:59 <Brianetta> Yeah 12:44:04 <Brianetta> It was 0.5km up 12:44:13 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 12:44:15 <Brianetta> killed more people instantly, but fewer long-term 12:44:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.224] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.224] has joined #openttd 12:44:48 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef] 12:45:13 <dih> educational hour to be continued when the kid returnes 12:45:33 <Brianetta> The state of education today is shocking. 12:45:38 <keyweed_> indeed 12:45:41 <Brianetta> I blame the fall of the Berlin Wall. 12:45:52 <dih> lol 12:45:56 <keyweed_> I blame the french 12:45:59 <Brianetta> "Why's that there?" is a question that led to *everything 12:46:01 <dih> that has like nothing to do with it 12:46:32 <Brianetta> My wife only knows what I've taught her about the Cold War 12:46:40 <Brianetta> She was born in 1982 12:46:47 <dih> blame the stasi for a few in the DDR, but fall of the wall being blamed for bad education in europe/the world? 12:47:06 <dih> Brianetta: i was born in 82 12:47:07 <keyweed_> i think 'the simpsons' are also to blame. 12:47:27 *** Metalcore is now known as MetalCalc2 12:47:52 <Brianetta> dih: I think the Berlin Wall was an abhorrent creation, sure, but it was a concrete representative of so much history, in a figurative and literal sense. 12:48:18 <Brianetta> I never saw the Berlin Wall, but I did stand at the main east/west border in Bavaria 12:48:25 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 12:48:25 <Brianetta> The world just ended there 12:48:28 <Brianetta> a weird feeling 12:48:47 <keyweed_> when the ddr stoped spying on its own citizens, someone had fill the gap 12:48:55 <Brianetta> Helen and I went to Berlin last Christmas 12:49:00 <keyweed_> now all western goverments have stasi-like monitoring systems. 12:49:04 <Brianetta> That city is as cool as f*** 12:59:56 *** ln is now known as LN 13:02:46 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AD667.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 13:07:06 <Belugas> dih: what do I should know? 13:07:11 <Eddi|zuHause> <Brianetta> I never saw the Berlin Wall, but I did stand at the main east/west border in Bavaria <- it was not as funny from the other side... 13:07:13 <Belugas> hello all, by the way 13:08:23 <Eddi|zuHause> although, as i was only 8 years old, most of the bad stuff i kinda did not experience 13:09:12 <Vikthor> (15:07:11) Eddi|zuHause: <Brianetta> I never saw the Berlin Wall, but I did stand at the main east/west border in Bavaria <- it was not as funny from the other side... -- and it's not like it wasn't possible to cross it(even legally) 13:09:50 <Brianetta> Vikthor: I was at EuÃenhausen. Being a checkpoint, security was tighter for a good few miles each way. 13:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it was possible, but basically only if you were above 65 years old 13:09:59 <Brianetta> I was only there on a school exchange trip. 13:10:32 <LN> probably easier the other direction? 13:10:42 <Vikthor> Eddi|zuHause: Not true, at least for Czechoslovakia 13:11:04 <Eddi|zuHause> my mother was once allowed to cross the border, because a relative died. but that was only possible because she could not take family members with her, so she had reasons to come back 13:11:24 *** Zuu [~Zuu__@c-143c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:11:36 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-143c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 13:12:04 <Brianetta> The DDR was probably the most authoritarian government in the Warsaw Pact. Even more so than the USSR. 13:12:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i know "Uncle Walther" from Wolfsburg only from photos 13:12:11 <LN> my mother went to buy a train ticket to the west in DDR, and the person behind the desk had been quite surprised. 13:12:40 <Vikthor> My aunt married a Frenchman in '68 and later according to international treaties on human rights goverment had to allow at least one trip a year for whole family 13:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause> there was regular cross border traffic anyway, because of the transit zones from west germany to west berlin 13:13:47 *** GoneWack0 [~foo@145.74.181.72] has joined #openttd 13:13:53 *** GoneWack0 [~foo@145.74.181.72] has left #openttd [] 13:14:10 <Belugas> go Yexo go! 13:14:40 <Belugas> mmh... guess it's the time for my medecine 13:14:43 <Belugas> coffee!!! 13:15:54 <Zuu> Going off-topic from the DDR/religious discussions, is there a tool out there that can simplify my work of keeping code seperated into diferent subsequent patches? Would be cool if I could tell Tortoise SVN that for this directory tree use patch, X, Y and Z + trunk as base for this directory. Anyone knowing something I can look into? 13:16:08 <Zuu> (for Windows) 13:16:14 <blathijs> Zuu: I think you should look into quilt 13:16:23 <blathijs> Not sure if it is available on Windows, though 13:17:45 *** GoneWacko is now known as Guest963 13:17:57 <Belugas> Zuu, mostly, i have my repos named upon what they are meant to do 13:20:15 <Zuu> repos being checked out source trees or do you have a local SVN to which you commit code for the diferent patches? 13:21:47 <Belugas> depends 13:21:50 <Zuu> blathijs: http://quilt.sourceforge.net/ ? 13:22:16 * Sacro uses mercurial 13:22:42 <Sacro> actually, that might be able to do it 13:22:47 <Sacro> if you clone the repo 13:22:49 <Sacro> manually patch 13:22:57 <Sacro> and then pull changes from trunk and merge yourself 13:23:15 <Belugas> at work, i have 4 "standard" repos, which i put work i did at home on. So if ever i need to commit something from work, i have to choose and commit from those 4 . Unless it's not a commit related to any work in progress, in that case, i have a general repo 13:23:54 <Belugas> at home, it's the free-for-all. i have about a dozen repos, spread on 2 disks. whatever is required is used as a commit one 13:23:56 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:24:20 <Belugas> and with visualvsn, i just commit right from the MSVC environnement 13:24:37 <Belugas> that is, when i do commit... which is a bit rare lately ;) 13:24:40 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [] 13:24:59 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:25:02 <Sacro> I use visualhg from VS2005 13:25:04 <Sacro> s/5/8 13:25:06 <Sacro> / 13:25:12 <Sacro> and I have TortoiseHG installed for explorer 13:25:26 <Sacro> mainly cos SVN confuses me 13:25:30 <Sacro> hg just works (tm) 13:25:49 <Belugas> i promised myself to try hg once. promised still pending to be fulfilled 13:25:59 <Celestar> man 13:26:09 <Celestar> analysing two terabytes of data is boring 13:26:14 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.84.14.211] has joined #openttd 13:26:23 <Zuu> SVN works so far, just that having to maintain many subsequently depending patches becomes quite some work. 13:26:24 <batti5> im sorry about this guys, i tried my best to respect the rules, if it would be possible to avoid a permanent ban, this suff will not repeat ever. 13:26:31 <SpComb> Celestar: first step is to load it all into memory 13:28:24 <batti5> i just tried to be a good ttdforum member, i did not intened to due any harm. 13:28:57 <SmatZ> yeah, what's bad about tomboys thread? 13:30:23 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:30:40 <SmatZ> as there is "Pretty girls" thread... 13:30:45 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [] 13:31:11 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:31:42 <Belugas> zuu: at home, it's mostly Tortoise and VisualVSN. At work, it's purely VSN . it works quite well :) 13:32:05 <Zuu> Okay. 13:33:24 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:34:16 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:34:24 <Zuu> I would love to get my hands on VS non-express so I can use ViEmu and other plugins, but don't feel like signing the MS academic license which I think is to restrictive nor cracing it. 13:35:28 <SmatZ> why ViEmu ? 13:35:36 <SmatZ> you can code in vim :-) 13:35:55 <Aali> Zuu: seems i was a little late to this discussion but you want mercurial queues 13:36:48 <Zuu> SmatZ: But using an external editor to an IDE gives you problems, but yes I fire up gVIM sometimes. 13:36:57 <Zuu> Aali: Not to late, thank you for your suggestion. 13:38:17 <Aali> it will let you keep a number of patches in a list, with simple commands to reverse/apply patches 13:38:28 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:08 <Aali> so you can move to any patch in the list and the repo will contain original files + any patches up to and including the one your working on 13:42:19 <Aali> make some small change, refresh the patch (saving those changes) and move back down to the end of the list and you've got all your patches applied again 13:42:54 <Aali> its really great once you get the hang of it 13:43:23 <Aali> definitely blows SVN out of the water 13:43:26 <blathijs> Zuu: No, http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/quilt 13:43:51 <blathijs> Zuu: But it seems quite un-google-able, I picked this url out of the Debian package :-) 13:44:16 <Zuu> blathijs: Thanks, indeed the other one I found seamed a bit out of the place. 13:44:18 <Aali> oh and mercurial queues is based on quilt 13:44:25 <Aali> so they should be quite similar 13:44:44 <blathijs> Zuu: I haven't actually worked with quilt before, only tried a bit once 13:44:49 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:54 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:50:17 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:58:19 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B508C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 14:03:23 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:39 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:12:49 *** Zorni [zorn@g224107045.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:13:30 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:32 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:14:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CF74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:17:16 *** Guest963 is now known as GoneWacko 14:19:51 *** Zorn [zorn@g224107045.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:21:10 *** MetalCalc2 is now known as Metalcore 14:24:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffb67.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 14:26:11 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:26:51 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:35 <Swallow> I'm (still) having a strange problem with my new memory pool... 14:27:49 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:27:50 <Swallow> new (0) Restriction() works fine 14:28:24 <Swallow> but new Restriction() causes a freeze for several seconds, and then the game closes, without error message whatsoever 14:28:40 <Swallow> Can anyone point me in the right direction? 14:29:40 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-143c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:30:11 <glx> Swallow: is there a diff somewhere? 14:30:34 <Celestar> new (0) looks bad to me 14:31:13 <glx> Celestar: no it forces the pool index 14:31:13 <glx> but it's used on game load only IIRC 14:31:17 <Celestar> ah 14:31:25 <Celestar> so an overloaded new operator? 14:32:11 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:32:20 <glx> yes 14:32:30 <Swallow> new Restriction() also uses an overloaded new operator IIRC, albeit a different one 14:32:52 <Rubidium> Swallow: I guess your "default" constructor doesn't initialize a new pool item as invalid, causing OpenTTD to not find an "empty" index, making more items which also aren't empty .... 14:33:03 <Rubidium> until the pool is completely full and it blows 14:33:24 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:33:29 <Rubidium> and overriding the new constructor might cause big problems too 14:34:21 <Hirundo> Rubidium, that's a good one, give me a minute to check some stuff. 14:35:32 <Hirundo> I think the default constructor was the problem... 14:35:35 * Hirundo feels ashamed 14:35:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see anything to be ashamed of 14:36:34 <Eddi|zuHause> don't ever be ashamed of errors 14:38:07 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:38:07 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:10 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 14:38:17 <Hirundo> Well, anyway, many thanks :) 14:38:34 * Hirundo continues patch-writing happily 14:40:34 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:56 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet641.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:00:34 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:40 <scarabeus> TrueBrain: well again just testing if you are around, poke me if you get here :] 15:04:03 *** [demi]Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:03 *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:10 <fjb> Are true and false defined in C today? 15:05:35 <glx> I don't think so 15:05:43 <frosch123> sometimes yes, sometimes no 15:06:01 <fjb> Ok, thank you. 15:06:41 <SmatZ> it isn't 15:08:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the compiler will usually tell you if it isn't :p 15:09:25 <frosch123> iso c++ 98 defines "false" and "true" as reserved keywords 15:09:43 <Eddi|zuHause> that is C++, not C 15:10:06 <frosch123> yes, I interpreted "C today" as C++ 15:11:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a problem of the naming, because C++ is technically not really a "successor" to C, more a parallel language development 15:11:11 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:54 *** Doorslammer [~monarodoo@144.138.223.251] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 15:12:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "french" is not "latin++" either... 15:12:14 <frosch123> sure, there are also people using csh 15:15:36 <fjb> I simply don't use true ore false if I can not be sure if it is defined in standard C. 15:16:07 <frosch123> in standard c you can hardly use anything 15:16:30 <fjb> Maybe ANSI C then. 15:17:28 <frosch123> e.g. you can configure some c compilers, so that they do not allow variable declarations inside "for", e.g. "for (int i = 0; ...)" 15:18:44 <fjb> I'm aware of that. 15:20:01 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:08 * frosch123 always says: when object oriented programming would have been introduced in a c style way, "public" would have been represented by "**" and "private" by "***". "protected" would have been "****" as it was added later 15:21:29 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:52 <frosch123> though "*" is far to common, maybe "°" 15:22:23 <DaleStan> But that's not 7-bit clean. 15:23:05 <frosch123> hmm true, I thought it was 15:24:26 <DaleStan> One of `, @, or $, more likely -- they are 7-bit clean, and with no defined meaning AFAIK. 15:26:12 <Belugas> hein??? 15:26:28 <Eddi|zuHause> $ reminds me of basic... 15:26:50 <petern> Belugas, they're being crazy 15:27:05 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-143c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:27:09 <Belugas> ha 15:27:10 <frosch123> Belugas: I remember you saying that once before, but I also did not understood it there... 15:27:27 <Belugas> "hein" is like... "huuu" 15:27:38 <Belugas> or "what the fuck are you saying" 15:27:56 *** Zorn [zorn@e177226255.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:30:06 <frosch123> Belugas: I was just elaborating that c++ would be a nice language, if it wasn't based on c 15:30:33 <Belugas> ha 15:30:35 <Belugas> ok 15:30:36 *** Zorni [zorn@g224107045.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:01 <Belugas> well... i'm pretty happy with what Delphi offers, so i compensate :) 15:31:06 <Eddi|zuHause> C++ would be a much nicer language if it was based on python :p 15:31:39 <Eddi|zuHause> (actually, i am really amazed of the python syntax) 15:31:46 <frosch123> is python the language with the imporant indenting, or was that php? 15:31:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, python is with the indenting 15:32:10 <Eddi|zuHause> which you should do anyway, because of coding style 15:32:44 <Eddi|zuHause> the advantage is, that you can leave out those pesky {}, which are difficult to type on localized keyboards 15:33:14 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet641.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:43 <LN> one needs to indent what one intends. 15:34:08 <frosch123> the disadvantage is that you cannot copy&paste temporary code, and that you cannot use with crappy editors that do not show white space and add spaces and tabs to their liking 15:34:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure if you add static types and some declarative sugar you can easily design a compiled language worthy of replacing C++ 15:34:34 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, the space/tab issue is a problem 15:35:27 <Zuu> And if typing {} is a problem changing keyboard layout can be an option. 15:35:51 <frosch123> or you can use "begin" and "end 15:36:08 <frosch123> or if you are more the 60/70ths gui, use "if" and "fi" :p 15:36:24 <Zuu> :) 15:37:02 <Eddi|zuHause> latex is a little worse with the bracket structure... 15:37:34 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B508C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:37:36 <frosch123> I guess I once searched "esac" in a dictionary, when I was not used to such stuff :) 15:37:47 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 15:38:20 * Zuu hugs his altgr-based keyboard layout with special keys on the "normal" alphabetical keys + alt gr. 15:38:46 <frosch123> isn't that standard for non-windows ? 15:38:57 <Eddi|zuHause> ðÄÄħŧ¶ 15:39:14 <Eddi|zuHause> those characters are not particularly useful in programming languages :p 15:39:32 <Zuu> ;/()| = first five keys on my homerow (with alt gr) 15:39:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and especially not in non-utf8 environments 15:39:34 <Sacro> âis stupid 15:39:48 <LN> does python support non-ascii in identifiers? 15:39:53 <Eddi|zuHause> ââââ 15:40:02 <Eddi|zuHause> LN: no 15:40:13 <frosch123> reminds me, german keyboard contains a "§" key, which was in the range 0-31 under dos 15:40:26 <frosch123> some programs were killed by pressing it... 15:40:39 <Eddi|zuHause> but in strings, if you add an encoding line at the top of the file 15:40:40 <LN> Eddi|zuHause: how sad. java *sort of* does doesn't it. 15:40:47 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: oh yeah, i remember that ;) 15:41:16 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: but most programs just ignored the key 15:41:51 <Eddi|zuHause> but § IS an important character in bureaucracy-regulated germany ;) 15:42:03 <Zuu> I'd say that variable names should stay in English, so need for non-ascii characters is low. 15:43:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: german has very specific rules on how to replace ÀöÌà in environments that do not support these characters 15:44:08 <Belugas> mmh... you and your python... 15:44:16 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: none for ë and ï though 15:45:13 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: those are not part of the german language (most of the time) 15:45:44 <frosch123> yeah, "most of the time"... I hear that sentence often... mainly from customers :s 15:46:47 <Eddi|zuHause> but really, words like the french "naïve" are written with "i" in german even in environments that support ï 15:47:36 * Belugas 's stomach is making disturbing sounds 15:47:50 <frosch123> or names like "daniël" 15:47:53 <Belugas> for once, colleagues do not complain about my music 15:48:19 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: honestly, i have never ever seen that before :p 15:48:46 <LN> Zuu: but what if one wants to write code and doesn't know english? 15:50:04 <Zuu> LN: well, yes I do have made programs with variables in swedish and even worked with programs that has mixed var names, but it become ugly unless you find a programming language that is also in your native language. 15:50:23 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: usually they only appear in surnames like http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henning_Bo%ABtius 15:51:08 <frosch123> something killed that link... 15:51:51 <frosch123> he is named "boëtius" 15:53:03 <glx> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henning_Bo%C3%ABtius 15:53:13 <glx> you lost a %C3 15:55:24 <Eddi|zuHause> some clients interpret als "colour" command code 15:55:33 <Eddi|zuHause> some clients interpret %C als "colour" command code 15:55:40 <svippery> Some clients sucks. :) 15:55:41 <Eddi|zuHause> like mine, for example :p 15:55:55 <Eddi|zuHause> it's solved here by doubling the % 15:56:10 <Eddi|zuHause> which it does automatically on copy-paste 15:56:13 <Brianetta> In English, the Umlaut is correctly named a "diacritic mark" and signifies that a vowel pair is a diaeresis and not a diphthong. 15:56:36 <svippery> Not only the umlaut, Brianetta, all diacritics are diacritics. 15:56:41 <Brianetta> So naïve is a natively spelled English word. 15:56:43 <svippery> Oh dear, did I just state the obvious? 15:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: that's because umlaut and diacritic are substantially different things 15:56:47 <planetmaker> If found above e or i, it's the same meaning. 15:56:49 <Brianetta> svippery: 'fraid so 15:56:53 <svippery> Just like mêlée, Brianetta? 15:56:56 <planetmaker> ... in German 15:57:21 <Brianetta> svippery: circumflex and acute. We have specific names for them ones. (: 15:57:30 <svippery> But a combined name? 15:57:35 <petern> pâté :D 15:57:39 * Brianetta shrugs and says, "meh." 15:57:49 <svippery> I did not realise "meh" meant that! O_O 15:58:10 <Eddi|zuHause> german spelling rules usually say "you can just leave out this french mess" :p 15:58:33 <svippery> Lucky the Danish spelling rules says "write it how it looks best, regardless of origin". 15:58:37 <Eddi|zuHause> means the words are "naiv" and "Armee" 15:58:51 <Brianetta> Eddi: English rules say that it's an English mess too. We could (although it's unconventional) spell vacuum as vacuÃŒm. 15:59:10 <svippery> Why? Isn't the double u one vowel? 15:59:16 <Brianetta> svippery: Nope. 15:59:24 <svippery> A better explain would be cooperation. 15:59:29 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: that'd look significantly wrong in german :p 15:59:34 <svippery> Which the New Yorker continues to spell "coöperation". 15:59:40 <Brianetta> Eddi: Good job it isn't German (: 15:59:59 <Brianetta> That's correct, too. A diacritic oo. 15:59:59 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:00:16 <Brianetta> skiïng 16:00:21 <Sacro> svippery: no, double u is a consonent 16:00:29 <planetmaker> :D 16:00:31 <petern> :o 16:00:32 <Eddi|zuHause> everybody just knows that "Vakuum" is spoken with separate vowels, instead of one long vowel (which is usually meant by doubling a vowel) 16:00:35 * Brianetta buries Sacro in mud 16:00:40 <Sacro> double u = w 16:00:58 * Brianetta tarmacs over that mud 16:01:06 <planetmaker> you spoilt the joke, Sacro :S 16:01:11 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:01:12 <svippery> It's odd though, "coordinate" is used in Danish as "koordinat", but the 'oo' is only one vowel in Danish, which is not common in Danish (to have more than one vowel character create a single vowel). 16:01:17 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: Vakuhm :p 16:01:20 <svippery> In other words, we don't favour vowel clusters. 16:01:36 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: Kuh dich selber :p 16:01:55 *** Roujin [~ubuntu@mnch-5d85e5cf.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:01:58 <svippery> :) Luckily "vacuum" is spelt "tomluft" in Danish. 16:02:06 <svippery> Which translate literally as "empty air". 16:02:10 <planetmaker> Aotearoa <-- you'll like Maori language, I guess :P 16:02:18 <Roujin> cheers 16:03:09 * Zuu waves for nordic languages, let it be Danish in this case :) 16:03:10 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... "Help, i get outperformed by the AI" topics are kinda fun ;) 16:03:15 <Belugas> double u = w ??? 16:03:19 <Belugas> mmmhh.. true 16:03:28 <svippery> Just shows the logic of English, Belugas. 16:03:32 <svippery> Or rather, lack there of. 16:03:35 <Belugas> in french, it's double v 16:03:39 <svippery> So it is in Danish. 16:03:49 <Belugas> good :) 16:04:01 <svippery> At least we retain some logic. 16:04:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: in old roman texts you often find U written like V 16:04:18 <svippery> Why? 16:04:22 <svippery> Because they did not have an U. 16:04:34 <Eddi|zuHause> no, they had no V 16:04:38 <planetmaker> Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu <-- you also wouldn't want to live near that mountain :) 16:04:39 <Belugas> no, pronunciation changes over time 16:04:42 <Belugas> as well as writing 16:05:26 <planetmaker> wow... 6 vowels in a row o_O 16:05:28 <Roujin> i german, they skip calling w "double something" and give it its own name in the first place :P 16:05:59 <Roujin> *in 16:06:09 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:09 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 16:06:48 <LN> don't try this at home: http://www.ts.fi/kotimaa/?ts=1,3:1002:0:0,4:2:0:1:2008-10-22,104:2:571814,1:0:0:0:0:0: 16:07:35 <ben_goodger_> what an appalling URL scheme 16:07:49 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merseburger_ZaubersprÃŒche#MZ2_.E2.80.93_Pferdeheilung <- an occurance of "double u" 16:07:51 <glx> friction is powerful 16:07:53 <ben_goodger_> the person who came up with that ought to be taken to the presence of tim berners-lee and shot as an example 16:08:18 <LN> ben_goodger_: i know, and one can even leave some stuff out of it and it still works. 16:08:24 <Eddi|zuHause> "Phol ende uuodan uuorun zi holza. 16:08:26 <Eddi|zuHause> du uuart demo balderes uolon sin uuoz birenkit." 16:08:28 <ben_goodger_> good grief 16:08:37 <ben_goodger_> LN: what's with the caps? 16:09:00 <dih> Brianetta, i looked at the red dwarf stuff - i like it :-) 16:09:15 <Eddi|zuHause> where a modern transcription would replace those either by "W" or by "F" 16:09:15 <LN> ben_goodger_: the international CAPS LOCK DAY is a good opportunity to educate people about the fact that my nick is not "In". 16:09:29 <ben_goodger_> aha 16:09:46 <Eddi|zuHause> [That is the oldest written occurance of old german, btw.] 16:09:48 <ben_goodger_> silly people ought to use a monospace font... 16:10:07 <ben_goodger_> hmm 16:10:10 <ben_goodger_> my name has put out a tendril 16:10:13 * ben_goodger_ snips tendril 16:10:16 *** ben_goodger_ is now known as ben_goodger 16:10:21 <ben_goodger> there we are 16:10:34 <Eddi|zuHause> [Actually, that is the only written occurance of old german] 16:15:16 <Eddi|zuHause> LN: TRWTF is the bridge has no emergency stop mechanism for such an occurance 16:15:42 <ben_goodger> quite difficult to pin down a single language to call "old german", I suppose, considering the region was hugely varied in culture and politics for quite a while 16:16:13 <frosch123> LN: à ĵÌÅÅ£ ŵÀñţ ţö pöïñţ öÌţ ţħÀţ ÄÀpŠïŠÄömpöÅë föŠmë 16:16:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the correct naming is "old high german" anyway 16:16:23 <ben_goodger> hehehehehe 16:16:34 <frosch123> damn, that took long 16:16:44 <frosch123> and I dislike "p" and "m" 16:16:51 <ben_goodger> frosch123: you forgot the Ps and Ms 16:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause> ben_goodger: the people at that time called their language "frankian" anyway, the word "deutsch" evolved much later 16:17:37 <ben_goodger> well, I suppose the franks did 16:17:46 <ben_goodger> what of the goths? 16:18:02 <ben_goodger> and all the other civilisations I've heard about through Age Of Empires II.... :P 16:18:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the goths were not part of the "frankian empire" 16:18:36 <ben_goodger> no, but they must have spoken a proto-germanic tongue 16:18:36 <Vikthor> frosch123: try this á¹ áž¿ :p 16:19:16 <dih> NukeBuster made a server crash by crashing trains :-) 16:19:23 <dih> bug report follows 16:19:55 <frosch123> Vikthor: thanks, but my default font, does not even know them :) 16:20:27 <ben_goodger> indeed, á¹ is missing from my display font (but not my interface font) 16:20:38 <Brianetta> dih: Have all eight series on DVD 16:20:51 <Vikthor> it's acute, try fonts with support for Slavic languages 16:21:24 <Eddi|zuHause> displays fine here 16:21:26 <dih> Brianetta, you want to mail the first one to me? i'll mail it back after watching it :-P 16:21:55 <Brianetta> dih: Sign up to lovefilm.com 16:22:14 <Brianetta> Use the code RAF96 and the email address helen@ppcis.org for a referral discount 16:22:30 <Vikthor> though it's strange because none of these two actually makes any sense in Czech and most probably not even in other Slavic languages 16:22:32 <Brianetta> When I say use that address, I mean use it as a referrer 16:23:23 <Brianetta> stick RAF96 into the gift code bit 16:24:12 <dih> openttd: /home/fairplay/openttd/src/rail_map.h:501: bool HasSignalOnTrackdir(Til 16:24:12 <dih> eIndex, Trackdir): Assertion `IsValidTrackdir(trackdir)' failed. 16:24:34 <Eddi|zuHause> ben_goodger: most likely is that the gothic tribes more or less slowly adapted the local (latin) dialects spoken in the lands they invaded (iberia, italy) 16:24:48 <Eddi|zuHause> like the west francs did 16:25:02 <Eddi|zuHause> hence they developed the language "french" 16:25:04 <ben_goodger> hmm, ok 16:25:53 <ben_goodger> my point being, the peoples living in the area now defined as germany cannot have had a single language to call "old german" at any point before the 19th century, which is hardly "old" 16:26:00 <Eddi|zuHause> which is the reason why the east franc population needed a new name for their own language 16:26:49 <Eddi|zuHause> ben_goodger: language historically, "old german" refers to a period around the 8th to the 10th century 16:27:04 <ben_goodger> quite 16:27:10 <Eddi|zuHause> "middle german" from the 10th to the 14th century 16:27:15 <ben_goodger> indeed 16:27:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and "modern german" from the 14th century onwards 16:27:23 *** apo_ [~apo@pD9E7D866.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:40 <Eddi|zuHause> german is heavily split in dialects, though 16:27:44 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 16:28:15 <Eddi|zuHause> which is mainly a north/south split, which explains the "high" and "low" german variants 16:28:21 <ben_goodger> and at the time of "old german", I am under the impression that no language was spoken exclusively in (or throughout) the land that is now germany 16:28:32 <Eddi|zuHause> "high" and "low" referring to the height of the landscape 16:28:39 <ben_goodger> yes 16:29:29 <Eddi|zuHause> low german, dutch and english being heavily derived from old saxon 16:30:07 <petern> this is why you should all speak english 16:30:29 <petern> it's the 'all inclusive' language 16:31:56 <Eddi|zuHause> ben_goodger: the language difficulties between the dialects only affect people who actually travel, which mainly reduces to the nobility and high clerical layers of the society, in those, often educated, societies, latin evolved as a quasi-standard language 16:32:32 <Eddi|zuHause> later, especially since the 17th century, french took over that part 16:32:32 <dih> now that company passwords are hashed, can they not be stored in the save game on the server? 16:33:02 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: no, as you would not want the hash to be sent to clients 16:33:23 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: net kill] 16:34:19 <dih> true 16:34:20 *** apo [~apo@pD9E7FA73.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:17 <Ammler> additional passwd file :-) 16:38:16 <dih> Ammler, yeah - htpasswd :-D 16:38:30 <dih> but it's a different hash :-P 16:38:33 <planetmaker> :P 16:38:46 <Ammler> ottdpasswd 16:38:55 <dih> upload your own public key to join this company at a later stage 16:38:56 <dih> :-D 16:39:18 <Ammler> well, key-pair support would be just awesome 16:39:25 <dih> way over the top 16:39:36 <Ammler> :-D 16:42:54 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:54:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CF74.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:06 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 17:00:23 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 17:02:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CF74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:04 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:07:10 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-139.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:14:14 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-25-139.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:34 *** Roujin [~ubuntu@mnch-5d85e5cf.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:17:22 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:19:36 <dih> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2378 <- michi_cc 17:19:40 <dih> have a present for you :-P 17:19:48 <dih> does not work with steamers :-P 17:20:49 <SmatZ> :-) 17:21:14 <dih> slowly it's paying out to having an autoupgrading nighly :-P 17:28:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta stopped his nightly server because too many features were developed in branches, and too few differences were between nightlies, so it did not repay the cost of restarting the game and losing the passwords each day 17:32:01 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:32:38 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:33:10 <dih> i have a new game each day 17:33:31 <dih> and i am after the bug reports, not hosting providing fun :-P 17:33:40 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 17:33:45 <dih> but nobody has to know that so sshht 17:36:10 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:36:28 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:38:19 *** d-mike [~mibindsei@p4FC265CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:37 *** batti5_ [~batti5@92.82.64.215] has joined #openttd 17:39:37 * SmatZ cares 17:44:32 <scarabeus> btw what timezone is TrueBrain? 17:45:06 <SmatZ> CEST 17:45:12 <SmatZ> if he hasn't moved :) 17:45:18 <frosch123> his timezone, or the timezone of his country? 17:45:26 <Zuu> Belugas [13:21] <SmatZ> comment would be nice 17:45:26 <Zuu> Belugas [13:21] <SmatZ> + } else if (wi->type == WWT_EDITBOX) { 17:45:26 <Zuu> Belugas [13:22] <SmatZ> why that TAB ? 17:45:35 <glx> frosch123: good question ;) 17:45:41 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.84.14.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:41 <scarabeus> his would be more usable for me 17:52:51 <scarabeus> since i need to talk to him not to his country 17:52:52 <scarabeus> :D 17:53:29 <dih> heh 17:53:41 <dih> his bouncer is offline again? 17:53:43 <planetmaker> show time is between 20h and 24h CE(s)T :P 17:53:56 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:56:34 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:57:41 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B508C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:00:11 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:48 <Belugas> WWT_EDITBOX)<TAB>{ <- replqce tab by space 18:01:41 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227023224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:02:29 <SmatZ> Belugas: PMed already :) 18:04:12 <Zuu> A version 3 is on the way... 18:05:01 <Belugas> hehe 18:05:02 <Belugas> youhou 18:09:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230128200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:08 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:14:47 <frosch123> damn german forum, I cannot stop laughing :s 18:17:42 <Belugas> hapens on a lot of "external" forums :) 18:19:18 <Zuu> Belugas: You don't need to spend your day reading my longish comment on FS#2375 as the stuff after the dots is what I've said to you earlier. 18:21:07 <scarabeus> is this integrated in your svn/git/whatsoever https://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=162532 18:21:08 <scarabeus> ? 18:21:40 <frosch123> Zuu: wouldn't it be better to not pass those extra arguments to the constructor but instead overload OpenOSKWindow() 18:21:52 <frosch123> btw. I guess OnOpenOSKWindow would fit better 18:22:13 <Zuu> frosch123: That is a good idea I didn't think of. 18:24:10 <Zuu> Thank yau 18:24:12 <Zuu> you* 18:25:21 *** lolman [~john@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26:48 <Zuu> OnOpenOSKWindow would call ShowOnScreenKeyboard or would it return the ok/cancel parameters? 18:27:19 <Zuu> Having OpenOSKWindow calling ShowOnScreenKeyboard makes sense, but OnOpenOSKWindow seams less logic to me. 18:27:22 <frosch123> directly calling looks easier and more flexible 18:27:24 *** Schwalbe [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:27:26 *** Schwalbe is now known as Swallow 18:28:18 <frosch123> i.e. thinking of cpp-gui, one would move that event to the edit box class 18:29:07 * Zuu nods 18:30:30 <Zuu> cpp-gui, are there plans to make clases of the widgets? Or just being a wish for future? 18:31:19 <frosch123> it is the standard answer for solving fs#1072 :) 18:32:09 *** lolman [~John@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:34:38 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:39 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:35:42 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:44 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 18:40:05 <LN> what's a nice place to visit in france? 18:40:54 *** Booth [~Booth@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:41:16 <Sacro> LN: england 18:41:25 <Booth> ln england 18:41:58 <frosch123> eurodisney of course :) 18:42:01 <SmatZ> england, definitely 18:42:05 <LN> Sacro: i thought admiral nelson did his job better? 18:42:22 <Sacro> heh 18:42:32 <Booth> churchill FTW 18:46:13 *** Booth [~Booth@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 18:55:59 * Zuu deliveries another version of the unified_open_osk patch and goes and buy pizza :-p 18:56:03 *** Burty [burty@88-108-114-25.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:56:32 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:58:20 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:02:05 <Prof_Frink> LN: Anywhere the French aren't. 19:03:22 <frosch123> # [...] und vor Paris steht Mickey Mouse [...] 19:03:25 <LN> Prof_Frink: certain areas of Paris? 19:03:46 <LN> suburbs 19:04:44 *** Burty [burty@88-108-114-25.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [] 19:09:09 <Rubidium> scarabeus: no, that is not applied. Any reasons why it should be applied? 19:09:49 <scarabeus> well mostly we use it in gentoo because it is not working without it if we want to disable/enable iconv based on user needs 19:11:25 <Belugas> "are we going to be sued if we are not PCI Compliant ?" 19:11:28 <Belugas> yeah.. right... 19:11:46 <Belugas> that is what I call a campaign of fear! 19:12:08 <frosch123> what does pci mean in this case? 19:12:19 <petern> payment card industry 19:13:01 <Prof_Frink> frosch123: What a copper sees with. 19:13:32 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 19:13:33 <Rubidium> scarabeus: that's just plain silly (IMO) because OpenTTD's configure script sets $with_iconv to "0" by default *unless* configure is ran a) on OSX (AFAIK Gentoo is not OSX) or b) with the parameter --with-iconv. If it user needs iconv, run `configure --with-iconv` and if the user doesn't need it run `configure` 19:14:33 <scarabeus> well we have flags $(use_with iconv) and it add -disable -enable based on user settings, so you say if i have iso8869-2 setting instead of utf i wont need iconv? 19:14:36 <petern> Belugas: who's suggesting someone would be sued? 19:14:49 <scarabeus> Rubidium: ^ 19:15:48 <petern> the best bit about pci-dss is none of the banks are compliant 19:16:06 <Belugas> a customer. we are not yet compliant so far, and the poor customer fears been sued by VISA-MASTERCARD 19:16:17 <Belugas> indeed :) 19:16:53 <petern> being ;) 19:16:57 <Rubidium> scarabeus: I didn't say that 19:17:08 <Belugas> and my boss cannot put in his head that the compliancy just comes when you are STORING a track 2... 19:17:19 <Belugas> being... right... one day i'll make the difference 19:17:50 <Belugas> he thinks that we can avoid compliancy if we do not TOUCH the track2 19:17:56 <Belugas> so let the 3th party do the job 19:18:01 <Belugas> let me laugh 19:18:03 <petern> hehe 19:18:04 <scarabeus> Rubidium: so we shoud add only --with-iconv and dont add --without-iconv if i get it correct? 19:18:50 <petern> we're currently going through yet another pci-dss audit 19:18:56 <petern> it's total pain in the bum 19:19:04 <petern> every time the requirements have changed slightly 19:19:16 <petern> every time they go through the same stuff that hasn't changed 19:19:29 <Rubidium> scarabeus: --without-iconv doesn't add anything iconv related to the LDFLAGS nor CFLAGS 19:19:33 <petern> and every time they take our word for it 19:20:00 <Belugas> lol 19:20:09 <Belugas> and grab the money at the same time :) 19:20:10 <Belugas> i 19:20:14 <petern> yup 19:20:28 <Belugas> ve heard it cost around 30000$ each time 19:20:29 <petern> it's not cheap :o 19:20:38 <scarabeus> oh right i am little tired and reading bady, for us is not working --with-iconv, so if i wont need it in this game if i use iso8859-X i am ok with removing that flag but are you sure it wont cause issues? 19:20:47 <petern> hmm, don't remember exactly, not something i have to deal with 19:21:13 <Belugas> nor do I, but my boss raised it as one of the reasons not to go through it 19:21:19 <Rubidium> scarabeus: I've never used iconv 19:21:27 <Rubidium> scarabeus: but iconv isn't a library? 19:21:27 <petern> i don't think it was that expensive 19:22:09 <scarabeus> Rubidium: actualy i overtaked that patch and there is not in changelog why it was added i am just pretty sure that it does not compile withouot 19:22:30 <Rubidium> scarabeus: have you tried? 19:22:38 <scarabeus> yup 19:22:54 <petern> Belugas, the first time we had them in, they demanded we *turn off firewalls* so that they could scan the PCs 19:22:58 <Rubidium> because we have never received any complaints about iconv not compiling from anyone, except gentoo 19:23:02 <petern> i really don't think they understand what they're doing 19:23:14 <petern> actually it wasn't that 19:23:38 <petern> on windows servers, we have windows network disabled... and their system uses that and all the rpc stuff to see what's going on 19:23:59 <petern> so when it can't find that out, instead of flagging it up as secure, it flags it up as unreachable and untested 19:24:23 <Belugas> ho...they were actually trying to sniff your network 19:24:27 <petern> needless to say when we enabled it they complained about remote rpc and the like being enabled 19:24:34 <petern> i.e. 19:24:39 <scarabeus> Rubidium: well is it even anyone using nowdays? 19:24:42 <petern> what their software needs to work 19:24:46 <scarabeus> most of distros is utf 19:24:55 <petern> i.e. 19:24:58 <petern> they're fucking idiots 19:25:21 <scarabeus> Rubidium: btw 0.5 didnt need this patch 19:25:30 <petern> Belugas, yeah, first of all we had to drop the restrictions on the switches, because they're configured only to allow certain hosts... 19:25:47 <petern> pci-dss auditors don't understand security, they understand their scripts. 19:26:36 <petern> </rant> 19:28:32 * Rubidium wonders what library provides iconv; can't find a library with iconv in it's name on my system 19:29:48 <scarabeus> dev-libs/libiconv 19:30:01 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:10 <scarabeus> http://www.gnu.org/software/libiconv/ 19:33:05 <Rubidium> so there's a library called iconv 19:33:29 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:33:37 <Rubidium> and if there's a library called iconv, why can't it link against that? 19:35:32 <Belugas> as usual, petern, as usual... Same when you're doing a certif. "Pass me a debit transaction with a credit". "But i cannot, I check the service code after swiping" "Dont' care, i have that test to verify" 19:35:35 <Belugas> prrrrrrrt 19:37:13 <frosch123> hmm, I have an "iconv.h" but no libiconv, and dev-libs/libiconv is masked and not emerged 19:39:03 <frosch123> iconv.h seems to come from glibc 19:40:41 <scarabeus> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.2/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -liconv 19:41:00 <scarabeus> it really is not working without that patchie 19:41:08 <frosch123> yup, and configure only checks for iconv.h, which exists 19:41:32 <Rubidium> ah... so that lovely OS called OSX is doing even more non-standard things... 19:41:59 <frosch123> and the "copyright note" of iconv.h refers to glibc, which also contains the symbols defined in the .h 19:42:41 <scarabeus> yeah this is apple issue 19:42:49 <scarabeus> it should not work on any linux this way 19:42:58 <scarabeus> they have that dynlib 19:43:02 <scarabeus> or how they call it 19:43:09 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:01 *** lolman [~John@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:09 <Rubidium> now the question is: what OSes really need -liconv and which ones don't? 19:45:24 <scarabeus> we dont need it 19:45:27 <scarabeus> for us it works 19:45:31 <scarabeus> without that liconv 19:45:34 <scarabeus> that was tested 19:45:37 <Sacro> I don't think Arch needs it 19:45:52 <Sacro> ldd doesn't show it 19:46:57 <scarabeus> so no need for gentoo and arch 19:47:04 <scarabeus> i would say no need in POSIX systems 19:48:17 <Rubidium> it's just that OSX needs it and is posix compliant 19:48:23 <glx> it's needed for windows :) 19:48:35 <glx> but iconv is optionnal there 19:49:06 <Rubidium> so there needs to be a test that checks whether -liconv is needed or not 19:49:52 <scarabeus> Rubidium: well i think about osX as something that says that it is posix compilant 19:49:53 <scarabeus> :D 19:50:24 <glx> it's BSD based 19:51:12 <Rubidium> only the posix specs are posix compliant ;) 19:52:10 <frosch123> "The libc plug/override mode. This works on GNU/Linux, Solaris and OSF/1 systems only. It is a way to get good iconv support without having glibc-2.1. It installs a library preloadable_libiconv.so. This library can be used with LD_PRELOAD, to override the iconv* functions present in the C library." <- http://www.gnu.org/software/libiconv/ 19:52:10 <scarabeus> okok 19:52:21 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 19:52:45 <scarabeus> well you are right 19:52:45 <frosch123> that that mean, only those have iconv included in glibc? 19:53:00 <frosch123> *does that 19:53:11 <scarabeus> it is for those whom does not have >=glibc-2.1 19:53:22 <scarabeus> i am looking on virtual 19:53:37 <scarabeus> and here we pull it only if user does not have this or use fbsd and other 19:54:22 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 19:57:10 <scarabeus> i hope you will integtrate some patching in next release so i wont be forced to patch it :] 19:57:30 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:57:54 <Rubidium> can someone with OSX test whether OTTD still compiles with http://rbijker.net/openttd/iconv_issue.diff ? 19:58:03 <Rubidium> scarabeus: the above should solve your issue 20:01:16 <scarabeus> workie 20:01:23 <scarabeus> great 20:01:34 <scarabeus> no patches in gentoo for next release 20:01:44 <scarabeus> (i might convince mr_bones to add it into main tree now) 20:01:45 <scarabeus> :D 20:01:53 <scarabeus> read with next release ;] 20:01:56 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f862.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:27 <scarabeus> s/read/read as/ 20:03:51 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 20:04:07 <planetmaker> Rubidium: works here with r14409. 20:04:15 <planetmaker> *r14509 20:08:21 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923c6.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:11:11 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:11:14 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:12:30 <LN> you are late 20:12:44 <SmatZ> hello Bjarni 20:12:44 <Bjarni> me? 20:13:20 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 20:13:28 <Bjarni> hello SmatZ 20:13:31 <LN> 01:11 < fjb> Is Bjarni back tomorrow? 20:13:31 <LN> 01:12 < ln> fjb: based on the fact that he wasn't here today or yesterday, i'd say yes, he'll 20:13:34 <LN> be here tomorrow at 11:03 CET. 20:13:55 <Bjarni> ... 20:14:27 <fjb> Hi Bjarni, we were thinking about you yesterday because somebody had the idea of an kick day. 20:14:47 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-139.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:15:01 *** d-mike [~mibindsei@p4FC265CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:15:09 <Bjarni> ok, what did Sacro do this time? 20:16:28 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 20:19:26 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923c6.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:42 <Bjarni> looks like he did the unmentionable :( 20:24:30 <Eddi|zuHause> it's LN's fault 20:24:49 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:25:16 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:25:44 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:50 <Bjarni> it's always LN's fault 20:26:00 <SmatZ> 4 patches in 4 minutes, and DorpsGek is quiet :) 20:26:05 <Bjarni> that's why we prefer ln 20:26:13 <frosch123> SmatZ: CIA 20:26:18 <Rubidium> scarabeus: DorpsGek isn't quiet 20:26:27 <Rubidium> uhmm SmatZ :) 20:26:29 <glx> tab failure detected 20:26:51 <scarabeus> what? 20:26:59 <Eddi|zuHause> your tab failure detector needs to kick in earlier ;) 20:27:09 <scarabeus> oh 20:27:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it should be a pre-msg-hook :p 20:27:18 <SmatZ> :) 20:27:21 <scarabeus> well cia is not working whole day for us in gentoo 20:27:21 <scarabeus> :D 20:27:23 <Rubidium> why doesn't tab completion use brainwaves to determine what user to talk to 20:27:37 * glx kicks CIA-5 20:27:37 <CIA-5> ow 20:27:37 <SmatZ> hehe 20:27:40 <SmatZ> lol 20:27:42 <glx> it's not dead 20:27:50 <scarabeus> well it works for me in tabcomp in weechat 20:27:55 <Rubidium> their mail server probably is 20:27:59 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066141.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:59 <scarabeus> but in this quassel i am scared even to write whois 20:28:06 <SmatZ> :-) 20:28:34 <Bjarni> I like how that tab failure made scarabeus active in this channel :D 20:29:13 <Eddi|zuHause> # I'm not dead just floating 20:29:25 <Eddi|zuHause> # I'm not scared just changing 20:29:26 <frosch123> Bjarni: he was active until you joined :p 20:29:35 <Bjarni> heh 20:30:07 <Eddi|zuHause> [22.10.2008 22:03] <scarabeus> s/read/read as/ 20:30:12 <Eddi|zuHause> [22.10.2008 22:11] --> Bjarni hat den Kanal betreten (~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk). 20:30:34 <scarabeus> ow i like this kind of highlight 20:30:37 <scarabeus> :D 20:30:46 <scarabeus> for that i will kick your cia 20:30:52 * scarabeus kicks CIA-5 20:30:53 <CIA-5> ow 20:30:59 <scarabeus> ;] 20:31:07 <Bjarni> now I should take action 20:31:22 <Bjarni> however CIA is perfectly well at defend itself 20:31:51 <Eddi|zuHause> this is actually one of my favourite songs 20:33:10 <Bjarni> what song? 20:33:26 <scarabeus> unknown artist\unknown album\track 03.ogg 20:33:28 <scarabeus> ? 20:33:28 <scarabeus> :D 20:33:46 <Bjarni> yeah 20:33:54 * Bjarni turns up the volume 20:33:59 <Bjarni> this song is awesome 20:34:01 <SmatZ> I like that one, too 20:34:13 <SmatZ> unknown artist is the best 20:34:28 <svippery> :s 20:34:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffb67.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:40 <svippery> Man, why isn't Coldplay unknown? 20:34:57 <Bjarni> ? 20:35:55 <svippery> Well, cause I am listening to their '42' right now. 20:36:08 <svippery> Oh and, enjoying some crisps. 20:37:19 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:09 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:40:21 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DCF3.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:43:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: http://www.lastfm.de/music/Pink/_/I'm+Not+Dead 20:47:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.224] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:47:10 <Belugas> "Artificial Intelligence is nothing compared to natural stupidity" 20:47:13 <Belugas> nice ;) 20:48:12 <svippery> What about Artificial Stupidity? 20:48:39 <svippery> Eddi|zuHause: What is wrong with last.fm? 20:49:01 <Eddi|zuHause> svippery: it automatically redirects me ;) 20:49:19 <svippery> It is trying to force its German agenda down upon you! 20:49:28 <svippery> First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin. 20:49:44 <Bjarni> that's not a good song :( 20:49:47 <Belugas> "Problem in this world is that idiots are sure of themselves, while brainy ones have doubts" 20:49:56 <Nite_Owl> Been reading the posts on the forum again Belugas 20:49:57 <Bjarni> besides... that group name... "Pink".... gay :P 20:50:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a woman... 20:50:14 <svippery> :/ 20:50:21 <Eddi|zuHause> please tell me you have heard of Pink before... 20:50:21 <svippery> Did he not realise? 20:50:30 <svippery> I have, and I don't like her. 20:50:34 <Bjarni> I have heard of Pink 20:50:42 <Bjarni> and I still think it's a silly name 20:50:57 <Belugas> Nite_Owl? 20:51:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't like most of her songs, but i really love this one 20:51:08 <Bjarni> no, Pink 20:51:49 <Nite_Owl> There have been a rather large amount of "substandard" forum posts of late 20:52:15 <Nite_Owl> I rather not name names 20:54:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i noticed that, too... 20:54:20 <Belugas> ho... well... getting used to it. And i don't answer as often as i used too 20:54:42 <Belugas> there is that guy, NekoMaster 20:54:43 <Eddi|zuHause> might be due to the september phenomenon ;) 20:54:46 <Belugas> wahtever is a Neko, 20:54:55 <Belugas> htat's the only thing he mastered so far 20:55:06 <Belugas> apart from stupidty, of course 20:55:09 <Belugas> and attitude... 20:55:22 <Belugas> and to think he's canadian :S 20:55:23 <Belugas> booooo 20:56:35 <Nite_Owl> Ahh yes "The Future Set" thread 20:56:51 <Belugas> among others 20:57:04 <Nite_Owl> I had a good laugh at that one today 20:58:53 * Belugas gets home 20:58:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 20:58:55 <Belugas> bye bye 20:59:03 <Nite_Owl> Mostly due to DaleStan's "soil yourself" response 20:59:16 <Nite_Owl> Later Belugas 20:59:33 <Eddi|zuHause> "Future" as in >2010 isn't likely to affect my OTTD games anyway 21:01:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83014.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:01:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:02:36 <SmatZ> hahahaha @ http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=738562#p738562 21:04:02 <yorick> ... 21:05:43 <Zuu> :rolleys: 21:05:53 <dih> that is awesome :-D 21:06:11 <Nite_Owl> Too funny 21:06:35 <SmatZ> :-) 21:06:58 <scarabeus> you have great users 21:07:10 <scarabeus> i am sad that most of them cant handle gentoo so we dont have such nice comments 21:07:21 <SmatZ> :-) 21:07:53 *** LN is now known as ln 21:08:30 <scarabeus> btw how is that we need orginal GRP files- What train set are you using? 21:08:30 <scarabeus> - Which version of TTDPatch are you using? 21:08:30 <scarabeus> - Can you post a screen shot of your train purchase window? 21:08:43 <scarabeus> hm sorry 21:08:45 <Zuu> Couldn't he/she turn on the lights before (s)he took the webcam photo.. 21:08:48 <scarabeus> dont bother 21:08:50 <scarabeus> this is pasto 21:08:59 <scarabeus> stupid client :( 21:09:02 <SmatZ> :-) 21:09:55 <Zuu> Always the tools fault, no matter what statistics says... :p 21:10:09 <scarabeus> well you should see quassel 21:10:28 <Zuu> (road traffic statistics says about 90% of accidents are driver error) 21:11:06 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:12:20 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:23 <scarabeus> http://marenka.sh.cvut.cz/~scarab/configuraky/png/quasell.png 21:12:25 <Zuu> dih: ottd wiki for a problem with TTDPatch? 21:12:51 <scarabeus> Zuu: road statistic says that 20% accidents are made by drunk drivers, so whom let the sober ones into streets 21:13:03 <Eddi|zuHause> he fell in the same trap that i did... 21:13:47 <Eddi|zuHause> scarabeus: so why is that client any different from any other irc client? 21:13:48 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet626.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:14:00 *** batti5_ [~batti5@92.82.64.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:37 <scarabeus> because i use this one: http://marenka.sh.cvut.cz/~scarab/configuraky/png/weechat.png 21:14:42 <Eddi|zuHause> and "quasseln" is a quite fitting german translation of "chatting" ;) 21:15:54 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:16:04 <Zuu> scarabeus: What does Quasell have to do with WeeChat? 21:16:15 <scarabeus> that i cant use gui client 21:16:16 <scarabeus> at all 21:16:27 <scarabeus> weechat asks when i press middle mouse button 21:16:31 <scarabeus> this paste 21:16:48 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 21:17:00 <scarabeus> hey the person i am waiting for :] 21:17:01 <TrueBrain> scarabeus: sorry, working long hours lately 21:17:11 <scarabeus> no prob. 21:17:19 <TrueBrain> :) 21:17:20 <TrueBrain> finally ;) 21:17:47 <TrueBrain> I see iconv patch is committed :) 21:17:59 <scarabeus> yes i convinced the others :] 21:18:44 <TrueBrain> nice job ;) 21:19:08 <TrueBrain> the problem I have with iconv in ebuild ... is that we produce iconv-less binaries for .. well .. as long as this project is here, and as far as I can track, never had a problem 21:19:35 <TrueBrain> as it slows down the game a bit, and most Gentoo users have 'iconv' in their USE, I wonder if it would do more harm than good .. 21:19:50 <ln> what does the patch do? 21:20:17 <scarabeus> nopes we have really fast systems and systems from 2004 does not have iconv by default 21:20:32 <scarabeus> so we are pretty ok in this 21:20:47 <scarabeus> i am more concerned about that elog talkie in the end of the ebuild 21:20:50 <scarabeus> did you read that 21:20:55 <TrueBrain> hehe, 'really fast systems' is not a real argument ;) 21:21:30 <TrueBrain> I have a 2007.1 and 2008.0 base install, and 'iconv' is active by default .. 21:21:43 <scarabeus> hm 21:21:47 <scarabeus> 2008.0 not enabled 21:22:44 <TrueBrain> but what about the elog? 21:22:50 <scarabeus> desktop $ cat make.defaults |grep iconv 21:23:00 <scarabeus> if i am not saying some wrong stuff in there 21:23:05 <scarabeus> so it is correct :] 21:23:12 <scarabeus> but i guess i didnt miss anything 21:24:34 <TrueBrain> why oh why do you need to modify my ebuild completely every time ;) Lol :p 21:24:45 <TrueBrain> I make it more readable for myself, you put everything back in one statemet :p 21:25:03 <scarabeus> i need to convince mr_bones to open games overlay for users 21:25:06 <TrueBrain> and the annoying DESTDIR got back in :p Get that out for good will you? :) 21:25:09 <scarabeus> so this wont happen :] 21:25:20 <scarabeus> and i am just lazy to post diffs 21:25:58 <TrueBrain> + use dedicated && myopts="${myopts} --enable-dedicated --without-sdl" 21:25:58 <TrueBrain> - else 21:25:58 <TrueBrain> - myopts="${myopts} --enable-dedicated" 21:26:01 <TrueBrain> diff between mine and yours 21:26:06 <TrueBrain> I like mine better (the '-' one) 21:26:23 <TrueBrain> --without-sdl is not needed (--enable-dedicated disables all video outputs) 21:26:28 <scarabeus> ook 21:26:41 <TrueBrain> (there is a reason I change things :p) 21:27:26 <TrueBrain> and the elog stuff at the end looks good to me 21:27:36 <TrueBrain> I am sure someone can write a better story, but it is clear, and understandable 21:27:42 <TrueBrain> (and not false) 21:28:22 <TrueBrain> btw, 'layman -o http://packages.openttd.org/gentoo/layman.txt -a openttd' 21:28:30 <TrueBrain> contains 'openttd-trunk' and 'openttd-noai' 21:28:35 <TrueBrain> (nightly-builds, ebuild is updated every night) 21:28:52 <TrueBrain> I will merge your changes back into them soon :) 21:29:07 <TrueBrain> I still wonder about 'iconv', but I don't really care .. so we just keep it :) 21:29:10 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.188.172.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:31 <scarabeus> TrueBrain: did you hear about proxy-maintaining? 21:29:53 <TrueBrain> proxy-what? :) 21:29:58 <TrueBrain> (so that is a no :)) 21:30:01 <scarabeus> :D 21:30:26 <scarabeus> it means that someone write the ebuild and gets the credit, dev is used only to commit the ebuild into cvs and for reviewing 21:30:48 <scarabeus> well i am not sure if mr_bones will allow this to me because i am not member of games herd... 21:31:17 <TrueBrain> sorry, I don't understand what you try to say .. 21:31:48 <scarabeus> well that means you would be the manintainer since you have the live ebuild and so on... 21:31:57 <scarabeus> and i or other dev could do the commiting 21:32:15 <scarabeus> so not again waiting 2-3 months for next release 21:32:22 <scarabeus> but as i say i have to ask mr_bones first 21:32:38 <TrueBrain> hehe, it is a bit insane for OpenTTD currently .. :p 21:32:44 <TrueBrain> having a 0.5 in the portage ... 21:33:11 <scarabeus> actualy i am waiting if they will accept me in games herd, so if they i have some plans about games status in gentoo :] 21:34:24 <TrueBrain> Anyway, I was happy to see someone else taking an interest in the OpenTTD ebuild :) 21:35:35 <SmatZ> yeah :-) 21:36:01 <TrueBrain> and I really hope they remove the hard mask from 0.6.3 soon .. as you can't override that mask from within an overlay (or at least, all my attempts failed) 21:36:50 <scarabeus> you can do it :P just create profile/package.unmask iirc this should still work 21:36:59 <TrueBrain> scarabeus: STILL 'DESTDIR' .. 21:37:03 <scarabeus> or Documentation/package.unmask which user simlink 21:37:06 <TrueBrain> do I need to slap you with a fish or something? :p Hehe 21:37:07 <scarabeus> Damn 21:37:16 <TrueBrain> scarabeus: check my overlay .. it contains that file, and it doesn't work :( 21:37:31 <TrueBrain> (not from within the overlay, that is) 21:37:46 <scarabeus> :( 21:37:55 <TrueBrain> and a VERY minor thing: 21:37:57 <TrueBrain> myopts="${myopts} --enable-dedicated " <- extra space :p 21:37:59 <TrueBrain> hahaha :) 21:38:03 <TrueBrain> (sorry, I couldn't resist :)) 21:38:13 <scarabeus> that is why i use git first 21:38:19 <scarabeus> or cvs 21:38:29 <scarabeus> because pple can tell me what they dont like 21:38:31 <scarabeus> and i fix it 21:38:49 <TrueBrain> the reason OpenTTD uses SVN, Git or Mercurial too, yes :) 21:39:02 <scarabeus> ok i will not update it again 21:39:06 <TrueBrain> but we are getting there ;) 21:39:07 <scarabeus> or i will burn our old bugzilla 21:39:15 <scarabeus> and you update your live ebuild 21:39:26 <scarabeus> and we use live ebuild as base for 0.6.4 21:39:30 <SmatZ> :-) 21:39:41 <SmatZ> if there will be 0.6.4 21:39:42 <scarabeus> since i am sure that i wont get clearance before that release 21:39:44 <TrueBrain> there won't be any, most likely, but 0.7 ;) 21:39:53 <scarabeus> ok so make it 0.7 21:40:02 <TrueBrain> btw, if you check openttd-trunk on that url (you can walk it via http) 21:40:07 <TrueBrain> it contains 'icu' as dep 21:40:13 <TrueBrain> (required with recent versions) 21:41:09 <SmatZ> optional :-P 21:41:28 <TrueBrain> of course :) 21:41:41 <SmatZ> :- 21:41:42 <SmatZ> ) 21:41:45 <scarabeus> oh this 21:41:47 <scarabeus> no rpoblem 21:41:48 <SmatZ> bah I broken my smiley 21:41:53 <SmatZ> -n 21:42:23 <scarabeus> nononono no icu 21:42:35 <scarabeus> because in that case we would have to move this flag from local to global :D 21:42:56 <TrueBrain> how do you mean? 21:43:24 <SmatZ> hmhm call it ... rtl_support then :) 21:43:30 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: local / global USE flag :) 21:43:32 <scarabeus> just kidding :D 21:43:57 <SmatZ> :-) 21:45:47 *** Metalcore is now known as MetalDiningHall 21:46:37 <scarabeus> btw is there any way of replacing grf files with something open? i know that noone cares that it is abandonware... 21:47:00 <Eddi|zuHause> there is an OpenGFX project ongoing 21:47:30 <SmatZ> it is possible, but there are no sets with all GRFs replaced 21:47:59 <SmatZ> except sample.cat 21:48:02 <Eddi|zuHause> some work has already been done to make the game capable of switching between the base sets, but the open sets are not finished yet 21:48:39 <scarabeus> is there some progress bar? :] 21:48:55 <Zuu> An empty sample.cat could do the job, can't it (or even making sample.cat optional), as playing without sound is not a big problem. 21:49:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know... the forum has a graphics section, and probably the wiki has information about it, but i have not looked at anything specific 21:50:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: afaik having not the correct amount of sounds in sample.cat causes trouble with newgrfs containing sounds 21:50:20 <TrueBrain> testing my latest ebuilds ... 21:50:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: but i think there is a full set of replacement sounds in the forum, only it depends on a patch to have more than 8bit sounds in sample.cat 21:51:30 <Zuu> Okay, I've seen the project but didn't knew they got that far. 21:52:34 <scarabeus> well in that case we can make that installable on gentoo and maybe some users will help with improvements 21:52:39 <TrueBrain> scarabeus: http://packages.openttd.org/gentoo/overlay/games-simulation/openttd-trunk/openttd-trunk-14513.ebuild <- if you would mind reading it over .. it is 0.6.3, without scenarios (we don't do that for nightlies), with 'icu' (which I wonder about the most), and some customized warning at the end ;) 21:53:56 <TrueBrain> (it btw fails on iconv currently, but tomorrow night that iwll be fixed .. I don't feel like adding a patch for 24 hours of not working :p) 21:54:12 <TrueBrain> glx: would you mind syncing NoAI with trunk? 21:54:16 <scarabeus> TrueBrain: why you just dont press enter :D line 45 like line 44 would be nice 21:54:35 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:55:19 <scarabeus> would not be easier to create one -9999 ebuild? 21:55:24 <scarabeus> and dont bother with snapshots 21:55:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-139-5.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:55:30 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:55:33 <scarabeus> in result user would not download so much stuff 21:55:37 <scarabeus> if he updates 21:55:44 <TrueBrain> scarabeus: better like this? 21:56:02 <TrueBrain> not download so much stuff? How would that differ? 21:56:19 *** MetalDiningHall is now known as Metalcore 21:56:37 <TrueBrain> and I considered -9999, but not only does the revision matter for multiplayer, also we have 'trunk' and 'noai' (where noai is an extension of trunk), which I would both like to publish :) 21:56:53 <scarabeus> okokok 21:57:06 <scarabeus> svn eclass can handle branches ;] 21:57:15 <scarabeus> you can even make it use dependable :D 21:57:20 <scarabeus> but i am just picky 21:57:28 <scarabeus> i dont like that ewarn in the bottom 21:57:29 <TrueBrain> http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=169482 <- this patch is a _very_ small subset of the real patch .. and in fact not really correct in this form ;) 21:57:35 <scarabeus> i will give you better solution 21:57:53 <TrueBrain> I don't mind you being picky, it is why I ask you :) I know nothing about a 'svn eclass', so I hav eno idea if it is more useful 21:59:01 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: that patch is no better then the other gentoo iconv patch 21:59:12 <scarabeus> well i am currently doing some stuff with live kde ebuilds so i had to understand them :] 21:59:27 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I agree :) 22:00:06 <TrueBrain> bah, Rubidium, your patch doesn't work on 0.6.3 out-of-the-box .. 22:00:08 <TrueBrain> let me backport :p 22:01:03 <TrueBrain> okay, it does work, just 'trac' fucks up :( 22:01:18 *** MURRAY is now known as murray 22:01:25 <scarabeus> http://www.pastebin.cz/10624 22:01:35 <scarabeus> this add into pkg_setup 22:01:37 <Zuu> Night all 22:01:39 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-143c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:01:40 <scarabeus> or into something like that 22:03:06 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e98.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:03:27 <TrueBrain> scarabeus: http://packages.openttd.org/gentoo/overlay/games-simulation/openttd/files/libiconv.patch 22:03:32 <TrueBrain> use that as libiconv.patch, is what I would suggest 22:03:37 <TrueBrain> a proper backport of the real fix :) 22:03:50 <scarabeus> ok add it yourself aw 22:04:01 <scarabeus> you dont have access to block my additions 22:04:04 <scarabeus> ok i will do 22:05:25 <TrueBrain> ;) Tnx! 22:05:31 <TrueBrain> updated -trunk and -noai with your suggestion 22:05:51 <TrueBrain> oh, you said pkg_setup .. does that matter? 22:06:57 <scarabeus> not actualy it is just common sense to write this *before* the actual merge 22:07:05 <scarabeus> so user can break it and think again 22:07:22 <TrueBrain> k 22:07:24 <TrueBrain> pkg_setup it will be 22:08:07 <scarabeus> also i can see i missed two ewarns so promote them into elog 22:08:39 <TrueBrain> sorry? 22:08:48 <scarabeus> well there are two ewarn commands 22:08:56 <scarabeus> s/ewarn/elog/ 22:09:02 <scarabeus> nothing more nothing less 22:10:11 <TrueBrain> you mean those about the dedicated? You mean they should be 'elog', not 'ewarn'? 22:11:20 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:41 <scarabeus> well elog is written again after all other merges ended up 22:12:44 <scarabeus> ewarn is not 22:12:58 <scarabeus> so i guess people should see it even when compiling lots of packages at once 22:13:06 <TrueBrain> ewarn shows up at the end too here ... 22:13:35 <TrueBrain> but elog is fine by me :) 22:14:21 <TrueBrain> all changed 22:14:24 <TrueBrain> including the openttd-0.6.3.ebuild 22:15:18 <TrueBrain> I hope I didn't forget/missed anything :) 22:17:50 <TrueBrain> anyway, I really should find my bed now .. tnx a lot scarabeus for all the feedback and help :) I hope this ebuild gets in portage very soon .. but I am afraid it will not :) 22:17:58 <TrueBrain> Good luck with getting into games herd :) 22:18:01 <TrueBrain> and good night to you all! 22:18:08 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:18:09 <SmatZ> n TrueBrain 22:23:34 * Bjarni wonders why people go search for their beds at night 22:23:58 <Bjarni> mine is obeying me and stays where I leave it 22:24:47 <scarabeus> well i am going to bed too 22:24:53 <scarabeus> so see you tomorow all :] 22:24:56 <Bjarni> it would be kind of scary if I came home one day and the pillow and stuff were on the floor since the bed ran away 22:25:06 <ln> with a constant number of Sacros waiting on the bed? 22:25:15 <Bjarni> o_O 22:25:19 <Bjarni> >_< 22:25:36 <Bjarni> that would be really bad 22:25:48 <Bjarni> I would have to figure out how to get rid of the bodies 22:26:01 <ln> my bed has a constant number of Sacros, and that's zero. 22:26:09 <Bjarni> good point 22:26:34 *** scarabeus [~quassel@88.103.16.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CF74.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:20 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-25-139.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:51:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v Bjarni] by ChanServ 22:52:01 *** Metalcore is now known as MetalChemLab 22:52:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 22:52:46 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 23:00:10 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:00:24 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 23:02:28 <ben_goodger> good evening, openttdists 23:03:08 <SmatZ> hello, ben 23:03:56 <ben_goodger> is anything happening? 23:04:34 <SmatZ> not really... 23:04:36 <Rubidium> besides the usual debugging not much I think 23:06:06 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat3.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:09:28 <ben_goodger> how annoying 23:09:47 <SmatZ> what would make you happy, ben_goodger? 23:10:20 <ben_goodger> probably only a huge dose of tricyclics, melatonin and years of intensive psychotherapy 23:10:41 * SmatZ can't provide 23:10:43 <ben_goodger> but for this evening, I was hoping for some sort of stimulating discussion about openttd or some such thing, as is usual for this channel 23:11:10 <SmatZ> too late I am afraid :( 23:11:21 <Rubidium> ben_goodger: go to OpenTTD's wikipedia deletion page! 23:11:22 <ben_goodger> otherwise, I may be forced to read this book on financial resources planning 23:11:42 <ben_goodger> ack, wikipedia is administered by a lot of prats... 23:13:30 <glx> they are silly 23:14:14 <ben_goodger> as recently discussed on slashdot, evidence is considered less important than citation 23:14:16 <SmatZ> ben_goodger: go read that book, don't let (O)TTD(P) stop you from reading it / studying! 23:14:28 <ben_goodger> I'm not studying finance, that's the trouble 23:14:55 <ben_goodger> I just got it out of the library because it is 472 pages long and will therefore occupy a lot of otherwise wasted time in reading it 23:15:11 <Rubidium> or... write a scientifical paper about OpenTTD so OpenTTD becomes notable 23:15:19 <ben_goodger> hmm 23:15:33 <SmatZ> ben_goodger, you are strange :-) 23:15:38 <ben_goodger> yes, yes I am 23:15:42 <ben_goodger> thank you for your support 23:15:47 <ben_goodger> I believe I will do an overall rewrite and pile in the citations on this article 23:15:59 <ben_goodger> stop those officious bastards from deleting it... 23:16:07 <SmatZ> :-) 23:17:00 * Rubidium wonders what a scientific paper about the notability criteria applied on the OpenTTD page on wikipedia would do for the notability of OpenTTD 23:17:53 <SmatZ> :-) 23:18:16 <Nite_Owl> I need to feed - later all 23:18:23 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:18:41 <ben_goodger> hmm 23:18:57 <ben_goodger> openttd is written only partly in C++, yes? 23:19:38 <Rubidium> depends on the definition of C++ 23:19:54 <Rubidium> technically all of OpenTTD is compilable as C++ 23:20:06 <Rubidium> though large parts are also compilable as C 23:20:50 <ln> deleting articles is wikipedists' way of feeling important. 23:20:53 <SmatZ> OTTD uses non-standard-compliant C++ :) but luckily it compiles by most compilers :-) 23:21:28 <ben_goodger> right... 23:22:10 <Rubidium> the most used compilers don't even complain about it 23:24:07 <glx> <@SmatZ> OTTD uses non-standard-compliant C++ :) but luckily it compiles by most compilers :-) <-- with some hacks for gcc 2.95 ;) 23:24:16 <SmatZ> hehe :-) 23:24:27 <glx> but it compiles and works 23:25:24 <Rubidium> gcc 2.95 isn't a C++ compiler, more a C+0 compiler ;) 23:25:29 <SmatZ> :-) 23:26:57 <ben_goodger> there's a GCC 2? 23:27:05 <ben_goodger> good lord, I'm too young for this 23:28:11 <Rubidium> ben_goodger: you don't want to know 23:28:28 <ben_goodger> you are correcg 23:30:55 <ben_goodger> gah, this article is exceedingly difficult to write 23:32:42 <ben_goodger> and I usually pride myself on my communications skills 23:38:24 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:39:52 <SpComb> there's plenty of mentions of OpenTTD spread out on Wikipedia 23:39:56 <SpComb> silly deletionists 23:40:18 <ben_goodger> is anyone willing to be a citation-diver for me? 23:40:29 <SpComb> not at this time of day 23:40:33 <ben_goodger> I have never been any good at phpbb's search function 23:41:54 <Rubidium> but the forum isn't notable ;) 23:42:03 <Rubidium> ben_goodger: just google with site:tt-forums.net 23:42:10 <ben_goodger> hmm 23:42:44 <Rubidium> though you should just add the citations to the forum on the wiki 23:42:48 <Rubidium> screw them ;) 23:43:55 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227023224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 23:45:07 <Rubidium> ah well, enough wikipedia bitching for now ;) 23:45:13 * Rubidium goes to try to sleep 23:46:24 <SmatZ> nn Rubidium 23:46:28 <SmatZ> so go I 23:46:30 <SmatZ> nn all :) 23:47:39 <ben_goodger> night 23:47:54 <ben_goodger> how's the following?: 23:47:55 <ben_goodger> OpenTTD is an open source simulation game based around transport networks. It originated as a decompiled clone of Transport Tycoon Deluxe, but now incorporates many new features, most notably a multiplayer mode, support for internationalisation, a number of AI and user interface enhancements, and gameplay innovations similar to those found in TTDPatch. 23:47:55 <ben_goodger> The player is given a job as the managing director of one of several competing transport companies that operate within a particular region. Beginning with only a modest bank loan, the player must plan routes, build infrastructure, build and maintain vehicles and maintain their company's image in order to maximise profitability and achieve the highest company value by the end of the game. 23:47:56 <ben_goodger> The game requires many of the original data files from a retail copy of TTD to play. Free-content graphics are presently being produced in order to eliminate this dependency.[1] 23:49:52 <Rubidium> it's currently possible to run OpenTTD without any of the original data files 23:49:55 <SmatZ> I think "-decompiled" ... and we got rid of that "clone" word recently, too :) 23:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause> IMHO OpenTTD should be a subsection of a Transport Tycoon article, it does not really warrant a separate article 23:51:35 <ben_goodger> it says "clone" in big letters on the homepage 23:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it was never decompliled 23:53:04 <Eddi|zuHause> at best it was disassembled and reverse engineered 23:54:31 <ben_goodger> ok then... 23:56:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd probably say "... is a reimplementation in C++" 23:58:21 <ben_goodger> very well 23:58:50 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]