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has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:33:28 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:37:22 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 09:00:44 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229071159.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12:01 <dihedral> everyone's dead :-( 09:12:07 <dihedral> we're gonna die! 09:12:13 <dihedral> we're all gonna die! 09:12:36 <Forked> I'll deal with that later 09:12:48 <Forked> busy enjoying my coffee now 09:13:19 <Eddi|zuHause> tomorrow, i promise. 09:14:52 <jerker> hi! after slightly more than a week of happy openttd'ing here's some new junctions. :-) http://www.update.uu.se/~jerker/openttd/ :-) Since I made them, they must be brilliant (err), but hmm wouldn't it be great to rate different junctions? 09:15:15 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:15:45 <petern> not really? 09:16:14 <planetmaker> g'day 09:16:15 <petern> i for one just build what is necessary 09:17:00 <jerker> i'm more into the Build Beutiful Things With Rails and then damn I got to fill them with some traffic, let's see what we got. 09:17:03 <petern> bah, why does every little web based interface require its own login system and database 09:17:23 <jerker> (beautiful) 09:18:14 <planetmaker> jerker: pretty slow junction, I'd say. And long signal length for straight... 09:18:28 <planetmaker> at least for train lengths > 2 tiles. 09:19:02 <jerker> Mmmm. But compact and lockfree. 09:19:04 <petern> i think a nice simple pbs junction is more elegant ;) 09:19:30 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:19:30 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:20:20 <planetmaker> jerker: compact, yes, lock free yes :) But max speed 60 odd km/h for trains turning. 09:21:52 <jerker> planetmaker: only for those turing left? 09:22:11 <planetmaker> wrong... 111 km/h according to http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Speed#Vehicle_speeds 09:22:27 <jerker> interesting 09:22:44 <Forked> mmm pbs mmmm 09:23:11 * Forked fetches some more music from home 09:23:17 <Forked> too much Eels make you weird(er) 09:23:18 <planetmaker> jerker: for trains turning both directions. 111km/h for turns in both directions coming from East/west with TL > 2 tiles 09:23:50 <planetmaker> hm... and also North-South. The diagonal parts are in all cases max 2 tiles long. 09:24:55 *** FloSoft [~oftc@g229071159.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:24:57 <planetmaker> jerker: mind that a s-shaped bend does not count as two bends. 09:26:29 <jerker> for a right turn, diagonal (four squares) 09:26:57 <jerker> how many wagons fit in? two per square? 09:27:32 <planetmaker> approx. two per tile. Depends upon train set 09:28:23 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-144-134-197-18.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 09:28:28 <planetmaker> right, the 2nd image is better wrt right turns :) 09:30:48 <planetmaker> jerker: you might gain a lot (considering 2nd image, if you bridge the East-West straight lines over the left turns which then could be one level lower. 09:30:59 <planetmaker> and straight diagonals. 09:32:25 *** FloSoft [~oftc@g229071159.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:33:10 * jerker is trying to comprehend 09:33:32 <petern> "avoid bends" :) 09:35:37 *** oftc [~oftc@g229071159.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:35:56 <planetmaker> jerker: build left turns like the right turns - and accomodate the straight tracks using bridges over them. 09:36:17 *** oftc is now known as Guest1305 09:36:21 <jerker> aha :) 09:37:46 <planetmaker> :) 09:37:49 <dihedral> lol - someone loging in as oftc? :-D 09:37:58 <dihedral> guest1305 ^ 09:38:23 *** Guest1305 is now known as FloSoft 09:38:27 <planetmaker> :D 09:39:18 <planetmaker> hanseatic understatment - or undercover ;) 09:39:21 <dihedral> jerker, you do know the openttdcoop junctionary, right? 09:39:42 * planetmaker wonders, too... 09:39:59 <dihedral> pm: what say you to freeform map edges for wwottdgd? 09:40:09 <jerker> dihedral: yep, but i didn't find this particular junction there 09:40:26 <dihedral> no you would not - the junctions there are usually for very high load 09:40:29 <dihedral> :-P 09:40:42 <jerker> :) 09:40:52 <dihedral> huge ass networks :-P 09:41:11 * planetmaker goes reading on freeform edges. 09:41:18 <dihedral> with probably more trains in the junctions than you have in your entire network :-P 09:41:23 <planetmaker> ... the screeny in the first post looks great :) 09:41:24 <dihedral> (slight overstatement :-P) 09:41:35 <dihedral> yes - it does 09:41:58 <dihedral> it looks like it would make a nice difference to playing too :-P 09:42:24 <dihedral> and if you really wanted water all the way round - there are rivers and canals :-P 09:43:14 *** FloSoft [~oftc@g229071159.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43:15 <dihedral> now it would be lovely to get the map generator to detect if there is a river grf (if it still does not come with openttd) and generate rivers :-) 09:43:32 <dihedral> pm: how is IS doing btw? 09:44:05 <planetmaker> ... it should work afaik. 09:44:13 <planetmaker> But currently I have like no time at all. 09:44:58 <planetmaker> dihedral: it doesn't need river grfs in order to create rivers. normal water tiles do, too ;) 09:45:13 <planetmaker> the biggest problem is a reasonable generation of rivers... 09:45:21 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:46:12 <dihedral> well - for wwottdgd it's enough for us to make a map :-) 09:47:01 <dihedral> and i think freeform map edges (ffme :-P) would be really cool for that event :-) 09:48:33 <petern> you can have rivers without the river grf, i believe 09:48:44 <petern> may not look as pretty mind you 09:48:46 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-a4fbe253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 09:49:03 <dihedral> ah - ok 09:49:10 <dihedral> i thought you needed the grf for rivers ;-) 09:49:25 <petern> you should get plain sea without it 09:49:31 <dihedral> yes 09:49:31 <planetmaker> you don't need them. But it looks a bit boring without. 09:49:32 <petern> i think 09:49:46 <planetmaker> petern: yes, that's what happens. I know from my attempt to create rivers... 09:49:52 <planetmaker> ... which is still sleeping ;) 09:50:04 <dihedral> hmmm.... perhaps you guys would like to include a river grf with openttd? 09:50:21 <planetmaker> you'd need MB's permission. His rapids are nice :) 09:51:16 <dihedral> or start a thread in the forums and ask some authors, with a statement in the first post that all attached grf's are free to distribution with openttd if the devs wish to do so :-P 09:51:35 <planetmaker> Hehe ;) 09:51:36 <dihedral> or that they are GPL'ed 09:51:53 <planetmaker> Though MB might agree to inclusion. OpenTTD has already quite some grfs by him... 09:52:11 <planetmaker> if it works the easier approach. 09:52:54 <dihedral> well - the dev's still need to say they would want it :-P 09:53:01 <planetmaker> :P 09:53:22 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:55:34 <petern> it's still nice to ask permission 09:56:32 <petern> grr, my socks have shrunk 09:57:32 <dihedral> mksock 09:57:39 <Eddi|zuHause> mb is typically a nice person if you ask him 09:57:55 <dihedral> petern, which though would be a nicer approach? asking the devs if they want it, and then asking MB, or the other way round ;-) 09:58:00 <petern> *cough* george *cough* ship *cough* ecs *cough* 09:58:22 * dihedral pats petern on the back 09:58:25 <petern> best approach: write a river generator for the terrain generator :) 09:58:31 <dihedral> hehe 09:58:45 <petern> then there'll be more need for it, heh 09:58:46 <dihedral> i have not the slightest about the generator :-P 09:59:29 <dihedral> and it would need some configurable settings for the generator i assume :-) 09:59:44 <dihedral> i think i would be the wrong person for that kind of job 09:59:56 <dihedral> i prefer network and console stuff :-P 10:00:30 <dihedral> talking of network - perhaps i should update my move patch 10:01:00 *** FloSoft [~oftc@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 10:07:45 <planetmaker> dihedral: definitely :) 10:08:03 <petern> move patch? 10:08:16 <dihedral> petern, moving players in the game from one company to another? 10:08:27 <dihedral> including to/from spectators 10:08:42 <dihedral> current status uses an extra network packet 10:08:49 <petern> nice 10:09:02 <dihedral> it's in fs, as a hidden ticket 10:09:08 <petern> what about join game as spectator, decide to start as new company? 10:09:15 <dihedral> if you feel like it, you could re-open it for me 10:09:25 <dihedral> petern, should be possible :-) 10:09:51 <dihedral> for wwottdgd i had forced every client to join as spectator, and let the server memorize where a user was last moved to, and next time they joined they were automoved :-) 10:10:09 <petern> know the fs#? 10:10:47 <petern> oh, 1363 10:10:52 <dihedral> let me check - out of the top of my head i would say 1306 but i am not 100% sure 10:11:08 <petern> and it's hidden? 10:11:32 <petern> 's not 10:11:55 <petern> status new 10:14:06 <dihedral> bjarni did something with it, so it was not public anymore 10:14:47 <dihedral> ah - it's not 1306 10:14:51 <dihedral> :P 10:15:13 <petern> it is 10:15:14 *** FloSoft [~oftc@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 10:15:15 <petern> i can see it 10:15:20 <dihedral> 1363 10:15:20 *** FloSoft [sbnc@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 10:15:26 <petern> i said that 10:15:52 <dihedral> oh 10:15:57 <dihedral> did not see that, sorry 10:16:50 *** FloSoft [sbnc@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [] 10:16:56 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 10:16:56 <dihedral> so you would like a method that people can join a server as spectator and then decide to start a company (or join one and be promted for a password)? 10:17:03 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [] 10:17:28 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 10:17:44 * Forked slaps FloSoft 10:17:48 <FloSoft> sorry 10:17:50 <Forked> you've been Forked! 10:18:06 <FloSoft> argh, i want to be knived! not forked! XD 10:18:15 <Forked> I prefer spooning :\ 10:19:03 <FloSoft> i had to correct that damn ident-daemon, sorry for reconnects 10:19:33 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:19:54 <petern> dihedral, or switch from any company to another, password allowing 10:20:06 <petern> as a server option though 10:20:55 <dihedral> sure - will do something nice :-) 10:20:58 <roboboy> anyone know the correct way of aborting a form close in vb? 10:21:14 <dihedral> hmmmm.... petern: with gui? 10:21:28 <dihedral> or is a console command good enough for starters? 10:22:44 <petern> might be a suitable menu it can be bolted on to 10:22:48 <petern> although thinking about it 10:22:53 <petern> the "give money to client" option is stupid 10:22:59 <petern> it should be "give money to company" 10:23:58 <dihedral> then one should move it to the company window 10:24:17 <dihedral> and have the option of giving money to a company with no currently logged in users 10:24:46 <petern> exactly 10:25:01 <dihedral> and a 'join' company button in the same window 10:27:02 <Zuu> roboboy: I though there was a event for user want to close a window in VB6. But it's not in VBA, but could be one of the differences between VB6 and VBA though. (I've been coding quite some VBA lately and have had the issue that I can't detect when users close window on the x-button) 10:27:34 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:35:18 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:39:01 <roboboy> ive found it 10:48:26 <roboboy> gnight 10:51:30 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:51:35 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-5440c442.wfd78a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:56:44 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82274.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [icebears... take care of them!] 10:57:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82274.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:57:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:57:30 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:06:22 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:08:11 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:19 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:18:47 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28CC33.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:24:22 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone fit with databases? does an "UPDATE" sql-command raise an exception when the row does not exist, or does it add it? 11:25:03 <Rubidium> it does nothing 11:25:50 <Eddi|zuHause> so i need to "SELECT" first and check if anything is in it, and then use "INSERT"? 11:25:54 <TrueBrain> but there is a command which does both 11:26:14 <TrueBrain> UPDATE INSERT .. INSERT UPDATE .. can't remember what it was exactly :p 11:26:23 <TrueBrain> (well, it also kind of depends on your DB :p) 11:26:56 <Rubidium> it's insert into X on duplicate key update Y for MySQL 11:27:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm using sqlite 11:29:25 <TrueBrain> as far as I know, sqlite doesn't support that (well, 2 didn't, don't know about 3) 11:31:08 <Eddi|zuHause> is there a short version for checking "if <tuple> exists in <table>" without naming each row? 11:31:21 <Eddi|zuHause> err... column 11:31:35 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause> or can i declare a table that each complete row should be unique? 11:32:21 <Eddi|zuHause> wah i hate databases... 11:32:50 <Rubidium> make all columns part of the primary key, or make a unique key containing all columns 11:33:49 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:37:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm trying to store (parent, child) tuples for a hierarchy in a database, where parent and child are technically foreign keys into a different table 11:37:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and i don't need duplicate edges 11:40:52 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:41:19 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:59 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-a4fbe253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:54:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:55:46 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56:00 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:58:42 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:59:38 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:01:08 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:03:04 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227027029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:03:27 <Eddi|zuHause> 'CREATE TABLE hierarchy (parent_cid INTEGER, child_cid INTEGER, UNIQUE (parent_cid, child_cid))' <- i think that's what i want... now only needs catching the non-unique-exception 12:05:42 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06:32 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:10:53 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:18:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:06 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:23:01 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:23:44 *** Mortal is now known as Guest1317 12:23:44 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 12:28:13 *** Guest1317 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:23 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:37:17 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:37:21 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 12:37:43 *** mortal is now known as Guest1319 12:37:43 *** mortal`` is now known as mortal 12:42:24 *** Guest1319 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:43:35 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:16 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:16 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:58:37 *** Giles [Giles@spc1-lanc1-0-0-cust384.asfd.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:59:13 *** Giles [Giles@spc1-lanc1-0-0-cust384.asfd.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [] 12:59:21 <dihedral> short visit :-P 13:05:48 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has joined #openttd 13:07:31 <TrueBrain> rather short than none at all ;) 13:07:59 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@91-66-241-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 13:12:05 * dihedral lunches 13:15:52 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:19:00 *** Terkhen [ircap@150.214.220.250] has joined #openttd 13:19:10 <Terkhen> hello 13:21:30 <TrueBrain> hi Terkhen 13:22:58 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 13:36:52 <edeca> Hrm, can newgrfs affect competitors? I changed some newgrfs and started a new game and there is no AI :( 13:36:57 <edeca> I had AI in a previous game with the same nightly 13:38:49 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 13:41:57 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:41:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:00 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 13:44:15 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:55 <dihedral> edeca: did you check the config settings? 13:46:40 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:50:52 <TrueBrain> I AM BORED! 13:51:26 <blathijs> Does that hurt? 13:51:31 <TrueBrain> yes! 13:52:30 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:12 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [] 13:56:59 <TrueBrain> lol, some user said to me: wow, we live really close to eachother; our IP addresses are almost the same 13:57:00 <TrueBrain> omg .... 13:57:13 <dihedral> lol :-D 13:57:16 <dihedral> well.... 13:57:27 <dihedral> 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2? :-D 13:57:29 <dihedral> hihihihi 13:57:31 <TrueBrain> haha 13:57:53 <TrueBrain> I will remember that comment next time I am sitting in the train next to a cute girl with GRPS connection :p Mwhahahahahahaa 13:57:55 <TrueBrain> (sigh ) 13:58:10 <dihedral> lol 13:58:17 <dihedral> i had a candle light dinner the other day 13:58:29 <dihedral> 2 candles, 2 nice wine glasses 13:58:36 <dihedral> and i drank out of the bottle 13:58:48 <TrueBrain> so you were with 3 people? 13:58:53 <Forked> I think you did it wrong 13:58:56 <dihedral> no - on my own :-P 13:59:08 <TrueBrain> that is just sad .. 14:02:04 <TrueBrain> so then .... still nothing to do .. lalala... 14:02:43 <Gekz> TrueBrain: learn to english? 14:02:44 <Gekz> :P 14:04:26 <TrueBrain> I english, you english, we english 14:04:36 <TrueBrain> I guess you can use a few classes too 14:04:42 <Gekz> lol 14:05:04 <Gekz> lets not argue about who's proficient in which english 14:05:12 <Gekz> because it will end with yorick getting banned again 14:05:42 <TrueBrain> just stating the facts here :) 14:06:10 <Gekz> Your face states facts 14:06:16 <Gekz> ! 14:06:21 <Gekz> I must sleep. 14:06:27 <Gekz> Return to your bored state. 14:06:37 <TrueBrain> I refuse 14:10:15 *** bigg [~bigg@80-41-15-185.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:10:50 <bigg> im sturgling putting new gfr on any help 14:12:23 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 14:13:39 *** bigg [~bigg@80-41-15-185.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #openttd [] 14:13:41 <TrueBrain> [translator started] ..... [failure] .... sorry bigg, I have no idea what you tried to say. 14:13:45 <TrueBrain> oh .. well .. that was easy :p 14:13:46 <TrueBrain> hahaha 14:14:34 <Forked> you have less than 3 minutes to respond 14:14:38 <Forked> you know t hat 14:14:57 <TrueBrain> yeah .. we should hire someone with a SLA of 3 minute response time :) 14:15:09 <TrueBrain> you think we can afford that? 14:15:24 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 14:15:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:15:42 <TrueBrain> wb Belugas 14:20:47 <TrueBrain> hmm .. google fails to load here on one machine .. 14:20:47 <TrueBrain> weird 14:21:04 <edeca> dihedral: Config settings for opponents? Yes I made sure there was a max of 6 14:21:16 <dihedral> talking of yorick - that reminds me i still have to take out the garbage at home.... 14:21:39 <welshdragon> poor yorick :0 14:21:50 <dihedral> edeca: load the game and check the settings :) 14:22:11 <edeca> dihedral: Is it only that 1 settings? 14:22:16 <edeca> dihedral: Er, setting 14:22:26 <edeca> dihedral: I can't play at work, but I can confirm later :) 14:23:30 *** rubyruy [~ruy@S0106000c6e57c851.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 14:24:09 <dihedral> number of ai's, and months after they start 14:24:11 <dihedral> afaik 14:26:15 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:27:42 <edeca> dihedral: Yep, I'm fairly certain they were set right. Even if it's dumb, it's no fun without the AI 14:27:44 <TrueBrain> hmm .. google worked for a sec ... now it is gone again :( 14:27:54 <TrueBrain> edeca: try NoAI :) 14:28:05 <dihedral> :-) 14:28:28 <dihedral> TrueBrain, if he considers playing with the current (in trunk) ai to be fun - he will not like NoAI 14:28:29 <dihedral> :-P 14:28:40 <TrueBrain> good point :) 14:29:00 <edeca> Heh, I was being sarcastic 14:29:06 <dihedral> esp not Yexo's General 14:29:11 *** mortal is now known as Guest1332 14:29:11 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 14:29:13 <edeca> The AI serves to develop towns for me to abuse later 14:29:30 <TrueBrain> I think I will start a nice game of cargodest .. 14:29:31 <dihedral> then i dont want to help you :-P 14:29:34 <TrueBrain> maybe that avoids my boreness .. 14:29:52 *** rubyruy [~ruy@S0106000c6e57c851.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Zzzz...] 14:30:08 * edeca searches for NoAI 14:31:09 *** rubyruy [~ruy@S0106000c6e57c851.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:15 <TrueBrain> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-noai 14:31:34 <TrueBrain> you also need an AI I guess 14:31:38 <TrueBrain> I Think Yexo has one for you 14:31:44 <TrueBrain> else look at the forum :) (General -> NoAI) 14:32:29 *** Guest1332 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32:35 <dihedral> is there no wraightai no more_ 14:32:38 <dihedral> ? 14:32:54 <TrueBrain> wrightAI 14:32:59 <TrueBrain> and yes, it is there 14:33:01 <dihedral> yes that one 14:33:08 <TrueBrain> still, not as good as one of the other ones :) 14:33:51 <edeca> TrueBrain: Which other one? :| 14:34:00 <TrueBrain> look at the forum 14:34:03 <edeca> OK. 14:34:06 <TrueBrain> (as I told you 3 minutes ago ;)) 14:34:10 <dihedral> :-P 14:34:11 <edeca> More cryptic than a room full of dead people :) 14:35:36 <TrueBrain> or of course the wiki pages 14:35:43 <edeca> The development roadmap is interesting 14:36:13 *** Terkhen [ircap@150.214.220.250] has quit [] 14:36:38 <TrueBrain> which one? :p 14:36:53 <edeca> Well, the "requested features" 14:37:07 <edeca> I used to play miniin, so it's cool to see the better features getting into trunk 14:37:27 <TrueBrain> even for "requrested features" there are like N (with N > 10) pages 14:38:31 <edeca> Ah, well I found the one linked from "development", that's all. 14:38:38 <TrueBrain> ah, thatone ;) 14:38:54 *** rubyruy [~ruy@S0106000c6e57c851.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:39:11 <TrueBrain> damn, my CPU is overloaded .. scrolling in OpenTTD is a bitch iin that case :) 14:39:44 <petern> don't scroll! 14:40:26 <TrueBrain> sounds like a plan :) 14:40:26 <edeca> What size map? 14:40:42 <TrueBrain> too big :) And updating my base-system in the meanwhile is a bad idea too ;) (Gentoo) 14:40:56 <TrueBrain> somehow my sound managed to patch itself over the netwerk to my esound server .. 14:41:01 <TrueBrain> I wonder how it managed to do that .. 14:41:01 <edeca> Heh. As long as you're using paludis ;) 14:42:03 <TrueBrain> the latest emerge is really good :) 14:53:11 <TrueBrain> I really need a function: clone N times :p 14:53:27 <dihedral> nono! 14:53:32 <dihedral> one TrueBrain is more than enough :-P 14:53:39 <TrueBrain> truth 14:55:44 <TrueBrain> cargodest makes innercity transport really hard 14:56:24 <dihedral> hehe - yes 14:56:27 <dihedral> goes insance 14:56:30 <dihedral> eh 14:56:31 <dihedral> insane 14:56:51 <TrueBrain> I already have 40 RV for 2 towns ... that to connect via 1 airport :p 14:56:58 <dihedral> i had a nice setup ones - with a few trams feeding stations and then joined the 5 cities with trains 14:57:16 <dihedral> and they all wanted to go to the badly setup tram-stops :-S 14:57:21 <dihedral> that was a pain 14:57:25 <TrueBrain> haha, cargodest doesn't blanace cargo over 2 nearby stations :) 14:57:36 <dihedral> like 2000 people at a main station waiting for trams 14:57:56 <TrueBrain> you either need to use: no unloading, to avoid trams moving pax within the inner city 14:58:00 <TrueBrain> or add an insane amount of trams :) 14:58:10 *** Belugas is now known as Lost_My_Brain 14:58:16 <TrueBrain> top shelve! 14:59:10 <TrueBrain> that you can't balance airports sucks ... :p 15:01:13 <TrueBrain> but okay, in general 'transfering' stuff is bad for income :) 15:01:29 <dihedral> laters - i am off home :-) 15:01:32 <TrueBrain> enjoy 15:09:23 *** Lost_My_Brain is now known as Bad_Horsie_Rocks 15:14:07 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:14:11 *** mortal is now known as Guest1337 15:14:12 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 15:15:42 <TrueBrain> hmm .. it would be useful in cargodest if you can indicate to a train it should only pick up goods for stations he directly connection (and not: next hop) 15:21:05 *** Guest1337 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:33 <TrueBrain> it takes a while, but enoug heffort, you can balance your cargodest network pretty nice :) Hehe 15:25:38 *** Bad_Horsie_Rocks [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:33 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:10 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:32:39 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 15:32:58 *** Terkhen [ircap@150.214.220.250] has joined #openttd 15:36:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 15:55:24 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:27 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... why can't they ship external HDs with decently long USB cables? 16:02:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean 1m hardly suffices for placing the HD on the desk 16:09:13 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... preformatted with VFAT... to what should i change that? (it should be readable in case i need to access it from a windows disk...) 16:09:29 <petern> 1m? 16:09:44 <petern> last set i got had ~ 15cm cables 16:10:06 <Eddi|zuHause> the 1m was an estimate... could be 80cm or something 16:10:27 <Eddi|zuHause> 2m or 3m could actually be useful... 16:10:58 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway... reformatting? ext3? ntfs? 16:10:59 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: 16 MB FAT for the Windows drivers for the file system used for the rest of the HD 16:11:45 <FauxFaux> Exfat! 16:11:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no good experience with accessing linux fs from windows 16:12:14 <Rubidium> 2 GB FAT for a virtual PC image? 16:12:23 <FauxFaux> Heh. 16:13:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm feeling experimental today, i might actually try ntfs 16:13:50 <petern> ntfs does not work well if you need to use it with linux, heh 16:15:23 <Eddi|zuHause> so stay with fat? does not strike me as a good idea either... 16:16:00 <benjamingoodger> NTFS is the best 1992 has to offer 16:16:19 <benjamingoodger> besides the UNIX one that was developed in the same year 16:17:03 <petern> what you need is a filesystem that doesn't need unmounting 16:17:06 <benjamingoodger> unless you have files over 2GB, I'd use FAT32 just because it's more reliable; otherwise; you're stuck with NTFS 16:17:20 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: suggestions? 16:17:22 <petern> NTFS is more reliable than FAT32 16:17:39 <TrueBrain> xfs to the win! :p 16:17:47 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, no :) 16:18:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i've had NTFS drives attached to this linux box before... besides of access rights and occasional hiccups with big files, i have not had significant problems 16:18:26 <benjamingoodger> petern: it's more reliable until it breaks, at which point you curse yourself wishing you'd used FAT32 16:18:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and i can't guarantee files to be less than 2GB 16:19:23 <petern> mainly because FAT errors usually go unnoticed 16:20:23 <benjamingoodger> once, after I reinstalled windows, it wouldn't allow me to access any of my personal data because I wasn't the right user 16:20:31 <Eddi|zuHause> really, with the improvements to NTFS handling in the past years, i fancy this one as the most platform transferable one 16:20:53 <benjamingoodger> I was using the right username, so I suppose it was just the user ID, which I couldn't access or view 16:21:09 <petern> you should be able to fix that as administrator 16:21:20 <benjamingoodger> yes, I should have 16:21:22 <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬ 16:21:31 <petern> although saying that, i have a filesystem with files that administrator can't delete... 16:24:27 <planetmaker> There's always a possibility to delete them... as last resort use a huge magnet ;) 16:24:57 <benjamingoodger> that doesn't usually work, you know 16:25:28 <petern> yeah, i kind of need the rest of it :p 16:25:30 <planetmaker> benjamingoodger: show me a usual HD which is not suceptible to magnetism. 16:26:04 <benjamingoodger> oh, I'm not saying they're not susceptible to magnetic fields 16:26:35 <benjamingoodger> but I've seen HDDs attacked with degaussing coils and emerging completely unscathed 16:26:40 <planetmaker> ah... always those nasty boundary conditions which make void the easy solution... 16:26:59 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 16:26:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't suppose linux has a tool similar to the windows "safely shut down usb device"? 16:27:21 <benjamingoodger> it's known as "umount" 16:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause> at least eject /dev/sdc doesn't work 16:27:26 <planetmaker> or eject. 16:27:44 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: in what way "doesn't work"? 16:27:58 <Eddi|zuHause> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument 16:28:43 <Eddi|zuHause> eject /dev/sr0 works as intended (dvd drive) 16:29:44 <Eddi|zuHause> and i remember it worked with usb sticks 16:32:40 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... when i open "system:/media" in konqueror, it shows the drive and an "eject safely" option, which unmounts the device, and then shows an error "could unmount, but not eject" 16:34:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm really tempted to use ntfs now... 16:34:15 *** rubyruy [~ruy@216-19-189-82.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #openttd 16:35:19 <Eddi|zuHause> err... is it advisable to enable compression? 16:36:32 <Eddi|zuHause> "Initializing device with zeroes" ... i should probably skip this part 16:37:37 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: are you then sure it's mounted where you think? 16:38:09 <planetmaker> Suse 11 mounts it under the device name like /media/myfancyUSBstickName 16:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i am sure i can read the output of "mount" and compare it with the output i memorised 16:38:38 <planetmaker> :) 16:38:51 <Eddi|zuHause> /dev/sdc1 on /media/Elements type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,flush,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=lower) 16:38:57 <Eddi|zuHause> this is the new line 16:39:43 <petern> heh 16:39:57 <petern> Elements! 16:40:00 <petern> so it's a WD drive... 16:40:08 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: and eject /media/Elements ? 16:40:35 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently eject does actually unmount it prior to emitting this error message 16:40:53 <planetmaker> :D 16:42:15 *** Terkhen [ircap@150.214.220.250] has quit [] 16:43:34 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AC5B8.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:44:17 <Eddi|zuHause> but now it doesn't mount anymore... aside of calling mkntfs and changing the partition table, what else should i do? 16:45:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i can mount it manually, but the automounter gets confused 16:46:15 <Eddi|zuHause> NTFS-fs error (device sdc1): parse_options(): Unrecognized mount option locale. 16:46:16 <Eddi|zuHause> NTFS-fs warning (device sdc1): parse_options(): Option utf8 is no longer supported, using option nls=utf8. Please use option nls=utf8 in the future and make sure utf8 is compiled either as a module or into the kernel. 16:46:20 <Eddi|zuHause> err... what?!? 16:47:59 <petern> automouter... heh 16:48:14 <petern> udev + hal seems to handle everything automagically 16:48:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know what it actually uses... 16:49:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:53:39 <Eddi|zuHause> http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/SuSE/2008-07/msg00772.html <- that appears to help... 16:57:13 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:05:24 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82274.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82D52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:07:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:10:45 *** rubyruy [~ruy@216-19-189-82.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: Zzzz...] 17:14:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe8dd.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:15:39 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:25:13 *** rubyruy [~ruy@96.49.133.64] has joined #openttd 17:27:49 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:29:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.211.208] has joined #openttd 17:29:24 * SpComb wonders if SDL is a better library than ClanLib 17:31:06 <Rubidium> what defines better? 17:31:44 <Rubidium> e.g. Allegro's better w.r.t. MIDI handling than SDL, but the rest is IMO worse than SDL 17:34:49 <SpComb> in terms of a 2D network multiplayer game that has physics 17:35:33 <Rubidium> looking at the API I'd go for clanlib 17:35:40 <SpComb> ClanLib is a surprisingly large library that gives you a lot of funtionality 17:35:48 <SpComb> ...but the quality is a bit meh 17:36:09 * Rubidium likes Allegro's API ;) 17:36:26 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 17:36:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 17:36:48 <Rubidium> http://alleg.sourceforge.net/stabledocs/en/alleg036.html#i_love_bill <- especially that part of the API 17:37:10 <SpComb> so I was kind of wondering what OpenTTD thinks about SDL 17:37:16 <SpComb> I guess you don't use SDL's networking stuff 17:37:33 <Rubidium> does SDL do networking? 17:37:43 <SpComb> it seems so 17:37:58 <Rubidium> oh, the extra sdl net library 17:39:41 <Rubidium> seems like clanlib depends on sdl 17:39:54 <SpComb> it has 23k lines of OpenGL code 17:40:18 <SpComb> and the SDL code is missing a lot of functionality... so I assume our game right now actually uses ClanLib's OpenGL code, not the SDL code 17:42:32 <Rubidium> clanlib seems to have quite a few dependencies 17:43:10 <SpComb> the compiled library files are, like, over 100MB in size :P 17:43:25 <SpComb> does not sit well with the 200MB quota that they have on student accounts here... 17:45:00 * yorick explodes 17:45:02 <SpComb> what annoys me a lot with ClanLib is that there isn't really any sensible mainloop support, and things like network/input/timer events are horrible 17:45:16 <SpComb> strace'ing an application written using ClanLib is... ugh 17:45:28 <SpComb> there's like 120 system calls for receiving and sending an UDP packet 17:45:53 <Rubidium> that's more than strictly necessary I reckon 17:47:26 <SpComb> orly 17:47:53 <SpComb> and then there's like two dozen calls to getpid() per graphics frame 17:51:46 <yorick> yapp is really too complicated with all the dummy-proof 17:54:27 <SpComb> hrmph, SDL's network API is stupid 17:55:45 <SpComb> http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/SDL_net 17:57:06 <Eddi|zuHause> <SpComb> does not sit well with the 200MB quota that they have on student accounts here... <- they used to do that here, too, but you could just fill out a form to request more 17:57:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not seen any enforcing of quotas lately, though 17:57:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and i believe my emails alone make up like 600MB 17:58:03 <SpComb> yeah, I need to work on that some day... there's no fuse (well, it's installed, but not configured to give student users permission to use it), and then there's a scratch disk with no quotas, but they clean that out way too often 17:58:31 <Eddi|zuHause> where half of that goes on 3 emails of 100MB size each (some automatic svn diff sending going haywire) 18:00:03 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 18:04:50 *** digger [~digger@192.116.200.72] has joined #openttd 18:05:14 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has quit [Quit: Caught signal 15, Terminated] 18:05:22 <digger> Need help how to arrange semaphores 18:05:56 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has joined #openttd 18:06:22 <Eddi|zuHause> one signal between any two trains. 18:06:27 <Eddi|zuHause> simplest rule ever... 18:08:19 *** Dyzelisz [~M@78-60-221-4.static.zebra.lt] has joined #openttd 18:08:25 *** Dyzelisz [~M@78-60-221-4.static.zebra.lt] has left #openttd [] 18:08:53 <digger> I have long a long line. The line is one-track on most of length because of cost.At some places 18:09:34 <digger> There are two tracks. So real railway works. The trains can move in either directions. 18:10:19 <Aali> bi-dir double track doesn't work very well in ottd 18:10:23 <digger> They should never move backwards from destination. If a line is buzy, it waits on two-track 18:10:31 <digger> :( 18:10:48 <frosch123> do you play with 0.6.x or with nightlies? 18:11:07 <digger> If I build two-track line, I make it one-way , it is trivial.0.6.3. 18:11:14 <Aali> so at those passing lanes, you should probably let trains going one way always use the passing lane 18:11:29 <Aali> and trains going the other way can use the mainline 18:11:31 <digger> I will try 18:11:54 <digger> ---<====>------------<=====>-----------<=====>----- 18:11:58 <digger> It looks so 18:12:02 <Eddi|zuHause> digger: if you use twoway signals, having 2 trains may cause a deadlock, if you use 1-way signals at the sidings, you can have 3 trains, if you also use presignals, you can use a few more 18:12:13 <Aali> but with the signals in 0.6.3, you can get deadlocks 18:12:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but the presignals only work in one direction, so the other cannot be presignalled 18:12:37 <digger> Yes, I got. 2 trains come from 2 directions to same semaphore 18:12:42 <Eddi|zuHause> if you use nightlies, you can use path signals, those work significantly better 18:13:13 <digger> what is nightlies? Anyway at network one play 0.6.x 18:13:16 <Eddi|zuHause> digger: for the 2 track sections, put one way signals for each direction 18:13:20 <Aali> with path based signals or PBS, you can make passing lanes that never deadlock 18:13:30 <digger> thanks! 18:13:32 *** digger [~digger@192.116.200.72] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 18:13:54 <Eddi|zuHause> and do not put signals on the single track sections 18:14:17 <Aali> ..too late 18:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "blitzquitter" 18:15:54 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it appears that ntfs does not compress files copied to the drive, even if the drive is marked to compress 18:16:16 <SpComb> http://pastebin.com/m10a63de7 <-- that's what strace looks like for a mainloop iteration where a packet is received 18:16:48 <SpComb> lines 38 and 57 are the actual recvfrom/sendto calls on the actual UDP socket 18:16:55 <SpComb> the rest is just garbage 18:17:24 <SpComb> plus the millions of one-socket select()s that are used to implement the single-threaded event-based stuff in ClanLib 18:18:01 <SpComb> haet, the ClanLib devs should run strace on their code and then go stick forks in their eyes :< 18:19:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what that is supposed to tell us 18:23:09 <SpComb> there's probably some C++ class (CL_IPAddress?) with a constructor that calls getaddrinfo somehow, and some kind of temporary object is being created somewhere 18:23:22 <SpComb> created, and discarded, created, and discarded... completely useless 18:24:48 <Aali> its a bad case of java disease 18:25:10 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:25:32 <Aali> everything is an object 18:25:33 <Wolf01> olleh 18:25:39 <Aali> everything does everything 18:25:49 <Aali> everything is "fool proof" 18:25:58 <Wolf01> are you sure, Aali? 18:26:25 <Aali> I am, the question is, are you sure Wolf01? 18:26:37 <Wolf01> at least if everything = Chuck Norris 18:27:42 <Aali> Chuck Norris "jokes" were never cool :/ 18:28:12 <SpComb> basically, if you ever hear someone claim that ClanLib's network code is "efficient", you can just laugh at them 18:28:43 <SpComb> that's disregarding the CL_Socket copy constructor that leaves the address family initialized to random garbage and the threading deadlock bugs in CL_NetSession 18:30:31 <SpComb> http://gameprogrammer.com/fastevents/fastevents1.html <-- and based on that kind of stuff, SDL isn't really perfect either 18:53:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-87-105.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:32 *** smf68 [~smf68@80-218-102-226.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 19:05:59 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:09 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-122-122.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 19:18:45 *** smf68 [~smf68@80-218-102-226.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 19:22:32 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:23:38 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227030224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:23:46 <Belugas> so... an idea is an object... 19:23:50 <Belugas> interesting 19:24:04 <Belugas> a dream is an object 19:24:06 <Belugas> even more... 19:25:57 <Wolf01> you have to pay for ideas and dreams, and if you try to copy them you are a thief, so yes, they are objects 19:27:41 <Belugas> buwhahahaha 19:27:50 <Belugas> stop the glue! 19:27:55 <Belugas> it's bad for da brain 19:28:34 <Wolf01> sorry, I'm playing with access and databases, so I think I have something wrong on my brain 19:29:12 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:30:59 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227027029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:59 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 19:32:08 <Belugas> hehehe 19:32:21 <Belugas> can barely call Access a database ^_^ 19:32:47 <Wolf01> no, I'm using MSSQLExpress for the database 19:38:07 <Belugas> aaaah.... now you (start) to talk :) 19:39:11 <Wolf01> I might sound stupid, but I'm not crazy ;) 19:40:53 <Wolf01> I have to define 10 colors for the priority, what's better? [Grayscale|GreenToRed] 19:41:05 <SmatZ> Grayscale 19:41:42 <SmatZ> bear in mind ~10% of male population is more or less colourblind 19:41:52 <Belugas> numbers then! 19:42:27 <Wolf01> I have numbers too, but I like the background color :P 19:42:53 <planetmaker> Wolf: blue to yellow is a good transition 19:43:06 <Wolf01> uhm nice 19:43:15 <Wolf01> and the middle color? 19:43:25 <planetmaker> green maybe? :) 19:43:35 <Wolf01> good 19:43:38 <Belugas> or.... red yellow green 19:43:39 <Wolf01> I'll try that 19:44:08 <Wolf01> that was the second choice ;) 19:45:26 <planetmaker> http://www.dfanning.com/documents/programs.html#Programs%20for%20Working%20with%20Colors <-- another proposal :) 19:45:30 <Belugas> white blue red 19:46:09 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 19:47:53 <Wolf01> uhm... DOH! 9 colors, not 10... 0 to 240 / 10 = intervals of 24 units not 30! 19:48:11 <planetmaker> :) 19:52:57 <planetmaker> http://www.personal.psu.edu/cab38/ColorBrewer/ColorBrewer_intro.html <-- site to check color palettes. Choices are such that impaired vision is taken care of. 19:53:54 <jerker> how do I check out a specific release from SVN, not the trunk? (using command line svn in Linux) 19:54:26 <frosch123> start with 'svn ls svn://svn.openttd.org' 19:54:57 <frosch123> but do not checkout the whole repository :p 19:56:33 <planetmaker> jerker: get mercurial and get it all ;) 19:57:10 <frosch123> when you search for stable releases, they are under 'tags' 19:59:55 <jerker> problem is i cant faind r17500 (or whatever) that some servers are running, get version missmach. 0.6.3 etc are easy :) 20:00:21 <jerker> s/faind/find/ s/missmach/missmatch/ 20:00:30 <frosch123> oh, so you do not want a release :) try 'svn co -r17500 svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk' 20:00:58 <frosch123> but, err r17500 is in the future :p 20:01:59 <planetmaker> :D 20:02:42 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@82.95.127.26] has joined #openttd 20:02:58 <jerker> frosch123: thanks! but now #openttdcoop is gone so there is no hurry.. 20:03:12 <jerker> *#openttdcoop PS* 20:03:37 <planetmaker> jerker: you're searching for the version of our public server? 20:03:48 <planetmaker> that's a nightly, which is even available as binary. 20:04:16 <planetmaker> and if the server machine wasn't unreachable right now, it could even tell you the download location :) 20:04:25 <jerker> planetmaker: well, yes. :) 20:05:17 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-150-1-27.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:41 <jerker> planetmaker: However, i tried the binaries, but my Ubuntu 7.10 didn't like the debian ones... (however the links from www.openttdcoop.org to the www.openttd.org seem to go wrong) 20:05:51 <planetmaker> http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r14660/ 20:07:07 <planetmaker> jerker: then svn co -r14660 && ./configure && make 20:07:26 <planetmaker> eh... the svn is missing an argument ;) 20:07:39 <frosch123> but do not checkout the whole repository :p 20:07:48 <planetmaker> :P 20:08:13 <planetmaker> yeah... many antique branches in it ;) 20:08:28 <jerker> planetmaker: Thanks. 20:11:21 <planetmaker> you're welcome 20:14:12 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:15:07 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-150-1-27.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:18:08 *** Terkhen [~ircap@25.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 20:18:20 <Terkhen> good night people 20:21:08 <SmatZ> " Timing buffered disk reads: 4 MB in 3.54 seconds = 1.13 MB/sec" I guess something is wrong with my UDMA 20:21:31 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:21:40 <frosch123> I guess you tested your network file system :p 20:21:48 <SmatZ> :) 20:22:06 <SmatZ> that's slow even for 100mbit ethernet :) 20:22:50 <yorick> that's my average internet speed :p 20:22:54 <valhallasw> fairly fast for 10mbit though ;) 20:23:24 <valhallasw> my internet speed actually is faster ^__^ 20:23:47 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:25:15 <Eddi|zuHause> 1,ÀppelstÃŒcke MB/s are the typical rate when DMA is disabled 20:25:30 <Eddi|zuHause> other signs are full processor usage during disk accesses 20:25:49 <yorick> I still don't like the fact that they use "MB" to make it sound faster :p 20:28:44 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:20 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h156.225.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:29:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:59 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:31:29 <valhallasw> apples in my hard drive? :O 20:35:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-138-177.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:36:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.207.82] has joined #openttd 20:36:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.207.82] has quit [] 20:39:31 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:42:53 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust846.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:43:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.211.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:11 <yorick> why does my infrastructure sharing patch crash on desert maps saved by 0.6.3 with an oldpool assertion? 20:45:11 <SmatZ> " Timing buffered disk reads: 230 MB in 3.00 seconds = 76.61 MB/sec" much better :) 20:45:20 <SmatZ> now I understand why fsck took ~5 hours :-x 20:47:08 <Belugas> And I know that 20:47:17 <Belugas> the Messiah, he will come again 20:47:33 <Belugas> pom Pwiiiin pin pa poum... 20:47:55 <SmatZ> huh 20:48:06 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: because the rich people in the deserts have too many pools 20:48:07 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 20:50:21 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... filling a 1TB disk via USB takes quite a while 20:50:28 *** vraa [~vraa@h156.225.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 20:50:28 <yorick> Eddi: aha, but I personally thought it was because icecream has no bones 20:51:02 <Eddi|zuHause> also, you meant desertion... 20:51:35 <Eddi|zuHause> why do all good series get canceled? 20:53:25 <yorick> because canoes float? 20:54:15 <Eddi|zuHause> warum, warum ist die banane krum? 20:54:49 <frosch123> [21:54] <Eddi|zuHause> why do all good series get canceled? <- I can neither prove nor disprove that. There are no good series. 20:55:18 <yorick> because they grow to the light 20:56:00 <Eddi|zuHause> well, let's substitute "good" by "enjoyable" 20:56:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: you failed. 20:56:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: every child knows the answer to that one... 20:57:01 <yorick> ? 20:57:19 <Eddi|zuHause> even google knows it... 20:57:32 * Belugas sends "Roy Buchanan - The Messiah Will Come again.mp3" to SmatZ 20:57:48 <Eddi|zuHause> "weil niemand in den Urwald zog und die Banane gerade bog" 20:58:19 <frosch123> no, google answers http://www.godal.com/ 20:58:36 <yorick> aha, bananas are negatively geo-tropic 20:58:52 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:45 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [] 21:00:10 <Belugas> but full of potassium, which make them perfect if ever you are prone to cramps 21:00:38 <Belugas> and for the vicioous ones too, since you can PEAL them 21:00:42 <Belugas> PEEL? 21:00:49 <Belugas> PIIIIIL 21:01:15 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:01:33 <Eddi|zuHause> why can't you people call it Kalium, which is the element's REAL name? 21:02:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean you kept the element's symbol "K"... 21:03:05 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: That would make chemistry too easy. 21:03:13 <yorick> because it isn't capitalized? 21:04:23 <yorick> the name kalium is from the Arabic al-qali (potas) 21:04:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, all things created by god have to be capitalised 21:04:41 <Belugas> BECAUSE KALIUM IS AN OLD ARCHAIC FORM! 21:04:45 <Belugas> Grand-pa' 21:05:27 <yorick> Eddi: All Your Words Were Supposedly Created By God 21:05:27 <Prof_Frink> eddi|zuhause: so, nothing then. 21:05:41 <yorick> Prof_Frink: I assume he means supposedly :) 21:06:14 <Prof_Frink> of course, my name should be capitalised because I *am* god. 21:06:20 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that was the rule mister Martin Luther went by. 21:06:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the lord himself would be fully capitalised 21:06:45 <yorick> ... 21:07:40 <Belugas> YHWH 21:07:44 <Belugas> there you o 21:08:00 <Prof_Frink> no, it's WYWH. 21:08:36 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the "problem" is, that mister Marin Luther's publications coincided with the invention of mass book printing 21:08:54 <Eddi|zuHause> so his way of spelling spread through entire germany 21:09:26 <Eddi|zuHause> (for the uninitiated: he translated the bible into german) 21:09:59 <Eddi|zuHause> (so for the first time in the history, the bible was directly accessible by ordinary people) 21:11:04 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28CC33.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:05 <Belugas> Prof_Frink, it's now Why Where... 21:11:16 <Belugas> nor is it Yahoo 21:11:42 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: Floyd. 21:11:53 *** Terkhen [~ircap@25.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 21:12:25 <yorick> and now it's my fault 21:12:42 <Prof_Frink> Of course. 21:13:13 <Belugas> SHIIIIINE OOOOOONNN YOUR CRAAAAAAAAAAAAZY DIAMOND 21:13:37 <Prof_Frink> Quite. 21:14:22 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: we then should start calling it oxygenium and hydrogenium too ;) 21:14:57 <planetmaker> but then I still remember my teachers quite confused face as I was talking about natrium with such vehemence... 21:15:25 <planetmaker> ... but no person knew what element to the heck I was referring to ;) 21:15:46 <planetmaker> I'll have a soda on that ;) 21:15:51 <Eddi|zuHause> what else would you call it? 21:16:07 <Prof_Frink> Dave. 21:16:09 <planetmaker> sodium is the English name... and was used in alchemy, too 21:16:27 <Prof_Frink> Another good album. 21:16:43 <Eddi|zuHause> but the symbol is Na as well... 21:17:05 <planetmaker> sure it is :) That's why it didn't occur to me that I was talking nonsense until I was told :P 21:17:23 <Eddi|zuHause> hehe ;) 21:18:32 <frosch123> hmm, why does my element table contain the english names instead of the latin :s 21:18:48 <Eddi|zuHause> damn i can absolutely not concentrate... 21:19:18 <frosch123> yup, belugas is singing too loud :p 21:19:45 <planetmaker> tralalalalaaa 21:20:01 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:20:05 <planetmaker> Am Weihhhnaaachtsaaaauuumeee... 21:20:36 <Eddi|zuHause> missing a b 21:21:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and damn you for putting that melody in my mind 21:21:09 <planetmaker> :P 21:21:15 <planetmaker> lool 21:21:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and i know all the melodies, but never the text to them... 21:21:47 <Belugas> frosch123 is jealousssseeeuh 21:22:01 <planetmaker> same here, Eddi|zuHause ... :S 21:22:14 <Eddi|zuHause> typical illness of an orchestra musician :p 21:22:45 <Eddi|zuHause> you played the melody 100 times each year, but never with anybody singing 21:22:48 <frosch123> Belugas: no, your quote was directly copied into the youtube bar of my browser :p 21:23:35 <frosch123> well, no, I preceded it with "pink floyd" to avoid possible crap 21:23:38 <Prof_Frink> Some openttd devs should go troll /. - There's an ask/. about free games 21:25:48 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:00 <Belugas> wanty a free game? 21:26:03 <Belugas> here's one 21:26:12 <Belugas> Guess who is the next one to be kicked!!! 21:26:37 <Prof_Frink> Me! 21:26:37 <Prof_Frink> !password 21:26:38 * Rubidium assigns Prof_Frink to be the CSDTO 21:26:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick! 21:26:45 <Prof_Frink> Wait, what? 21:26:52 <Prof_Frink> I'm still here 21:26:53 *** Prof_Frink was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [YOU WIN!!] 21:27:01 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad1ee24.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:27:03 <Belugas> youhou!!! 21:27:07 <Prof_Frink> :D 21:27:33 <Prof_Frink> Since when does !password not work? 21:27:49 <Eddi|zuHause> since glx is not here 21:29:07 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: you better concentrate on that piece of text you have to write instead of summoning random people ;) 21:31:42 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:33:24 <frosch123> night 21:33:28 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe8dd.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:53 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-60-185.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:40:12 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:42:06 *** Terkhen [~ircap@25.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 21:43:17 <Wolf01> 'night 21:43:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:46:51 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5ED95.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:49:00 <planetmaker> night all 21:51:53 <SmatZ> good night planetmaker :) 21:55:40 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@91-66-241-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:56:18 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 21:56:18 *** sox1234 [~TeeBee@85.252.118.77] has joined #openttd 21:57:17 *** sox1234 [~TeeBee@85.252.118.77] has left #openttd [] 21:57:33 *** Twofish [~TeeBee@85.252.118.77] has joined #openttd 22:01:11 <Belugas> tick 22:01:13 <Belugas> tock 22:01:16 <Belugas> tick 22:01:17 <Belugas> tock 22:01:23 <Belugas> Drrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiing!! 22:01:27 <Belugas> time to go :D 22:01:39 <Rubidium> bye bye ;) 22:01:43 * Belugas waves good bye and rushes through the DoooR :) 22:01:47 <Belugas> bye Rubidium :D 22:02:04 <SmatZ> bye bye Belugas :) 22:10:30 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 22:12:36 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 22:12:52 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 22:13:16 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 22:13:48 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:15:30 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:11 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-a4fbe253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 22:22:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14678 /trunk/src/newgrf_engine.cpp: -Fix [FS#2435]: gradual filling graphics were not chosen according to the NewGRF spec (Maedhros) 22:24:16 <SmatZ> Maedhros! 22:27:35 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82D52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 22:29:38 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:54 <Nite_Owl> Does that effect already existing NewGrfs in any adverse way? 22:36:37 <Rubidium> depends on what you call adverse 22:37:12 <Nite_Owl> like no gradual loading sprites being shown at all 22:37:13 <Rubidium> now it'll show the vehicle is full from (1 - (1 / number of graphics)) * 100 percent loaded 22:37:28 <Rubidium> instead of only when fully loaded 22:40:24 <Nite_Owl> so if the vehicle set shows gradual loading now it will continue to show gradual loading with this change 22:42:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-87-105.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-49-89.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:53:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-49-89.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [] 23:01:15 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:09:28 <Eddi|zuHause> it shows exactly the same graphics as before... only the thresholds are balanced differently 23:10:03 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Checking whether build environment is sane ... build environment is grinning and holding a spatula. 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