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00:00:25 <Eddi|zuHause> grep DAY_TICKS src/*.h 00:01:00 <Ammler> 74 00:01:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C407.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:31 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:15:47 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 00:17:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:26:49 *** apo [apo@pD9E7C43F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:26:53 <apo> Hi 00:27:58 <Belugas> [18:42] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't understand some people... "i want a button that automatically places tram lines on every road" <--- amazing, isn't it? Let's spell it out loud, shall we? 00:27:58 <apo> I'm trying to set up a dedicated server and simply copied my ~/.openttd over to the server, but when I run it with -D -c <conf>, it doesn't choose the settings I want (for example, the map has a size of 256x256 instead of 2048x2048) 00:28:06 <apo> How do I change that? :| 00:28:10 <Belugas> L A Z I N E S S !!!!\ 00:29:16 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051175200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 00:29:19 <planetmaker> apo: I guess it looks for the file in <binarypath>/<conf> 00:29:41 <apo> planetmaker: I specified what configfile to use, though 00:29:42 <KenjiE20> ^ 00:30:01 <KenjiE20> it's a relative path from the launch dir 00:30:05 <planetmaker> with fully qualified path? 00:30:14 <apo> apo@0au:games$ ./openttd -D -c ~/.openttd/openttd.cfg 00:30:18 <apo> I'd say so 00:30:33 <planetmaker> hm.... despite. give it a try and copy the cfg in the binary dir 00:30:59 <apo> still 256^2 00:32:31 <planetmaker> hm... works for us to have the cfg in the binary dir 00:32:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:55 <planetmaker> try w/o specifying the cfg. And did you check that there's a different size specified in that cfg? 00:33:17 <apo> It says map_[xy]=8 00:33:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:58 <KenjiE20> doesn't 8 = 256x256? 00:34:04 <KenjiE20> iirc mines set to 9 for 512 00:34:05 <Belugas> cannot help you, apo. never did any dedicated stuff 00:34:12 <apo> Oo 00:34:23 <KenjiE20> I could be wrong mind 00:34:36 <KenjiE20> wiki time 00:35:38 <Belugas> map_[xy]=8 equals to 256*256. tht i can confirm 00:35:44 <KenjiE20> yep 00:35:54 <apo> Weird. 00:35:58 <apo> Working now, thanks. 00:35:59 <Belugas> why? 00:36:05 <KenjiE20> Map_x = 10 = 1024 : map_x = 9 = 512 <-- on the wiki 00:36:10 <KenjiE20> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Map_x 00:37:15 <apo> In my local client, everything's on 2048. Wonder where it stored its stuff... 00:37:48 <KenjiE20> openttd.exe dir > mydocs 00:42:03 <Rubidium> apo: do-not-readme.txt 00:43:35 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:44:00 <apo> Rubidium: Silence. I copied the config over, but the settings (especially map size) weren't copied. That's probably not in the readme =P 00:46:04 <Rubidium> apo: can you show the config? 00:47:27 <apo> Rubidium: http://0au.de/~apo/openttd.cfg 00:47:53 <apo> When I started openttd, it had the right settings, so I'd assume that they're all in there. 00:48:47 <Rubidium> that config says map size 8, so if OpenTTD uses that it's doing the right thing 01:01:27 *** Eoin [Eoin@92-233-181-117.cable.ubr08.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 01:08:46 *** nn64 [~nn@74.94.43.196] has joined #openttd 01:08:54 <nn64> hi 01:09:11 <nn64> I'm in need of some help 01:09:12 <Belugas> hello 01:09:32 <nn64> Ok so I want to set up a Massive new GRF server 01:10:18 <nn64> problem is %80 of the grfs are not yet in bananas.openttd.org/en/ 01:10:40 <nn64> but it would seem that the package that contains all the ones im using is 01:10:45 <Belugas> just advertise on a web site or else the grfs yu are going to use 01:10:58 <nn64> #openttdcoop NewGRF package 7.3 1364 times Feb. 12, 2009 Ammler GPL v3 01:11:18 <Brokkoli> thats not realy a grf 01:11:21 <Aali> nn64: thats a dummy grf 01:11:29 <nn64> so im wondering is there a way to get the client to auto install that package above and thus play my games 01:11:34 <Belugas> nope 01:11:39 <Belugas> forget that 01:11:44 <nn64> :( 01:11:45 <KenjiE20> it can be a grf, if you jam all the grf out of the zip and into the .tar 01:11:45 <Aali> the actual package can't be put on bananas 01:12:01 <Aali> only the author of a grf may put it there 01:12:15 <Rubidium> nn64: that package is a fluke... it doesn't contain any useful NewGRF except a 'link' to where the archive with NewGRFs can be found 01:13:14 <Belugas> nn64 so... it seems that you were not aware of the content. I would suggest that, as an admin, you do some research as to what you would use as grfs 01:13:22 <nn64> KenjiE20, so it is possable 01:13:41 <Belugas> make sure they are available for everyone who cares/knows how to search 01:13:42 <KenjiE20> yea, it's how I have my ottdcoop install set up 01:13:53 <Belugas> that it has some USEFULL content 01:14:03 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:14:04 <Belugas> and that you UNDERSTAND what that grf do 01:14:05 <KenjiE20> d/l zip from ottdcoop site -> use 7zip to copy everything into the .tar 01:14:28 <nn64> KenjiE20, k ? 01:14:33 <nn64> then what 01:14:36 <KenjiE20> but that's just so it's easier to maintain my end 01:14:49 <KenjiE20> nothing, ottd will find them all in there 01:15:08 <nn64> and allow the servers clients to down load them ? 01:15:13 <Brokkoli> no 01:15:13 <glx> no 01:15:24 <KenjiE20> no 01:15:36 <KenjiE20> it's a client only fix 01:15:42 <KenjiE20> for neatness sake 01:15:42 <nn64> Well there goes that idea 01:15:57 <KenjiE20> 1 file > bazillions 01:16:04 <glx> ottdcoop is the only one allowed to distribute this pack 01:17:04 <nn64> KenjiE20, howmany people do you think have actually aquired that pack of ttds? and manually put it in 01:17:17 * Rubidium wonders whether people look at the usage statistics for their servers 01:17:39 <KenjiE20> I have absolutely no effing clue 01:17:49 * KenjiE20 is not psychic 01:17:49 <KenjiE20> :P 01:17:54 <Rubidium> like there's an average of roughly 0.7 clients per server 01:17:55 <nn64> lol 01:18:15 <nn64> I had like 6 last night 01:18:20 <nn64> on my servers 01:18:20 <Belugas> Rubidium: i would assume a very limited bunch. maybe even only dihedral and/or brianetta 01:19:06 <KenjiE20> Rubidium, I probably would if I knew how :P 01:19:08 <nn64> well ... it would seem I will have to make a server that supports onily what bananas offers 01:19:23 <nn64> and one that supports the hole bunch 01:19:31 <Brokkoli> yes... i have reduced it to bananas-newgrfs too 01:19:50 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 01:19:56 <Brokkoli> sadly some very good grfs are missing there.. 01:20:10 <Belugas> nn64: why? openttd offered MP games with grf long before bananas has been added to trunk 01:20:19 <KenjiE20> nn64, depends who you want on 01:20:20 <Brokkoli> and noone played there ;) 01:20:29 <Belugas> i do not see why it shold rely ONLY on bananas 01:20:42 <KenjiE20> most of the older players probably already have GRF folders with most stuff in them 01:20:44 <Rubidium> Belugas: ease of use 01:20:54 <Belugas> people are so lazy today.... 01:20:57 <Brokkoli> i had a newgrf server and rarely there was more than 1 player.. 01:21:06 <KenjiE20> bananas is good for new players starting out 01:21:06 <Belugas> REMOVE BANANAS!!!!!! 01:21:22 <Brokkoli> now with the bananas newgrfs i have up to 10 players.. 01:21:50 <Brokkoli> maybe allow a klickable link per server 01:21:53 <Brokkoli> serverdefined 01:21:54 <Aali> luckily, none of this will be a problem once 0.7 comes out 01:22:03 <Brokkoli> so users can easyer find the needed grfs 01:22:10 <Belugas> Brokkoli : no 01:22:17 <Rubidium> KenjiE20: don't bet on that; just ignoring the default tram GRF lots of servers don't have any NewGRFs 01:22:18 <Brokkoli> why? security? 01:22:21 <Aali> once support for human players gets removed :) 01:22:21 <Belugas> we need to support multiple OSs 01:22:24 <Brokkoli> ok 01:22:27 <Brokkoli> thats a reason 01:22:39 <Belugas> not all of them require the same functionnality for clickability 01:22:46 <Rubidium> Belugas: we support clicking on everything in game 01:23:01 <Belugas> :D 01:23:05 <Brokkoli> yes for os'es which do not support that it could be disabled? 01:23:09 <Rubidium> just the 'feedback' to the clicking might lack functionality 01:23:18 <Brokkoli> yes 01:23:25 <Rubidium> hmm... lets see 01:23:31 <Belugas> and lucky for us, no object on the game is a URL 01:23:36 <Brokkoli> if the os supports -> open browser, else show a message 01:23:39 <Rubidium> do ALL windows installs have an internet browser? 01:23:53 <Brokkoli> i think so 01:23:54 <Belugas> oh... I knoe... just need to add a CTRL+Ctrlclick 01:23:56 <Brokkoli> at least ie ;) 01:24:01 <KenjiE20> Rubidium, true, but I run a bananas reduced one for a group of new players, because it's kinder on them to not have to wade through for stuff not on grfcrawler 01:24:08 <Rubidium> Brokkoli: there you're wrong 01:24:16 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177238004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 01:24:32 <Brokkoli> ok old windowses don't 01:24:51 <Rubidium> or when you appropriately mutilate it ;) 01:25:25 <Brokkoli> yes 01:25:49 <Brokkoli> maybe it's possible 01:26:52 <Belugas> have fun, i close the shop for today 01:26:57 <Belugas> and good night 01:27:07 <Brokkoli> gn8 01:27:38 <Rubidium> even so, I don't care about MSIE 01:28:26 <Rubidium> MSIE users aren't quite our prime audience (or the world's browser stats are way off) 01:29:07 <Brokkoli> i know 01:29:18 <Brokkoli> i wont use msie, too 01:29:57 <Brokkoli> but i use windows.. and when some program has a link, the choosen browser opens that.. 01:30:55 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:30:59 <Brokkoli> don't know about linux.. i dont use desktops there ;) 01:31:30 <Rubidium> that's not quite defacto standardised yet 01:31:43 *** Zorn [~zorn@f054001145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:47 <Brokkoli> ok 01:32:42 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 01:32:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 01:33:03 * Rubidium wonders what browsers work on Windows 3.x 01:33:53 <Brokkoli> i don't know 01:33:58 <Brokkoli> never tried any ;) 01:34:03 <glx> ottd doesn't work there anyway ;) 01:34:09 <Rubidium> msie < 4 seems to roughly cover that 01:42:50 <Rubidium> glx: maybe they got allegro working for DOS 01:44:02 <nn64> wow The auto download is limiting 01:44:58 <Brokkoli> limiting? 01:47:29 <nn64> well ... any how ... I fell like starting a game ... Anyone who wants a Fun challenging game come play me at """"""--NN's MAX Server"""""" Requires The Openttdcop new grf pack ... and client 0.7.0 01:50:00 <Brokkoli> i don't think its limiting? 01:50:44 <nn64> ok / 01:51:19 <nn64> i just couldent add any OpenGRF files or the ecs one it said is supported in bananas were not supported 01:52:18 <nn64> Brokkoli, So you willing to play me in the Game with the MAX viecules choice list EVER? 01:55:05 *** Aygar [~aygardupi@68.53.84.237] has joined #openttd 01:56:54 <nn64> anyone anyone else here ? 01:57:34 <nn64> KenjiE20, ... you here .. you said you had the full graphics set ? ... come play me Plz ... 01:57:46 <Brokkoli> i have it, but no time for playing now 01:57:52 <KenjiE20> ^ 01:58:02 <Brokkoli> and dont want to play with to much newgrfs 01:58:27 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-164-137-215.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:58:27 *** Kenji__ [~Kenji@host86-164-137-215.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:58:42 *** Kenji__ [~Kenji@host86-164-137-215.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 02:03:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.1.59.42] has quit [Quit: tuiQ] 02:06:35 *** edgar [~chatzilla@200.88.162.40] has joined #openttd 02:06:41 <edgar> hello everyone 02:06:46 *** apo_ [apo@pD9E7C394.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:07:38 <edgar> I'm using ubuntu and I have the original Transport Tycoon, where I should place the TT folder that OpenTTD require to run? 02:08:32 <KenjiE20|LT> pretty sure that's in the wiki, but you'll want the tr*.grfs from data to go into /usr/games/openttd/data 02:08:43 <KenjiE20|LT> (or wherever the binary install is) 02:08:46 *** apo [apo@pD9E7C43F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:09:40 <glx> edgar: what version of openttd? 02:09:59 <edgar> 0.6.3 version 02:10:15 <glx> ok just put them in ~/.openttd/data 02:10:46 <glx> unless it's a multiuser system 02:11:36 <glx> and only tr*.grf and sample.cat are required 02:11:45 <edgar> ok thanks 02:14:33 <Brokkoli> gn8 02:14:40 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@f054021155.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: In aller Welt werden die Parallelen zur Krise 1929 diskutiert, aber damals wurde wenigstens noch die Verantwortung ÃŒbernommen. Da sind die Banker noch rei] 02:19:02 *** edgar [~chatzilla@200.88.162.40] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009020911]] 02:20:18 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 02:25:01 *** Belgabor [~Belgabor@p5B2EFAFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:29:23 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:31:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-217-252.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:43:21 *** nn64 [~nn@74.94.43.196] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:51:34 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 03:08:26 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:08 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:16:32 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:16:32 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:16:36 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 03:18:16 <Aygar> Has the plan to rewrite the map array been abandonded? 03:19:14 <Aygar> i.e. the stuff described at http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/MapRewriteDesign and http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/MapReWriteFinal 03:26:28 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 03:38:26 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:41:13 *** nn64 [~nn@74.94.43.196] has joined #openttd 03:42:30 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:43:11 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-163.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:51 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-163.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 03:43:57 <welshdragon> crap ero exchange rate is crap 03:44:30 <welshdragon> £500 = â¬166.37 03:44:37 <welshdragon> :'( 03:51:48 <glx> Aygar: map rewrite is totally dead 03:54:42 <Aygar> glx bad idea death or lack of intrest 04:02:27 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:03:37 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:03:37 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 04:04:09 * welshdragon sooo wants to book this holiday 04:04:30 <welshdragon> but i'm afraid I might not have enough euros to enjoy myself :( 04:09:56 <thingwath> such a materialst view :) 04:19:53 <welshdragon> me? 04:25:29 <thingwath> I have no euros and I'm quite happy, now :o) 04:27:41 *** fce2 [~rob@lena.its.monash.edu.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:51:57 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:52:52 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 04:57:19 <MrFrans> welshdragon, that conversion seems wrong. 04:57:22 * MrFrans checks 04:57:53 <MrFrans> this what google says. 500 British pounds = 561.979576 Euros 04:58:11 <MrFrans> or are you converting some other pound? 04:58:17 <thingwath> it could be right some years ago 04:58:26 <thingwath> maybe. 04:58:36 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred@resnet586.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:58:47 <welshdragon> the rate i have is the latest rate 04:59:07 <MrFrans> honestly that is wrong, the pound has not fallen below the euro. 04:59:38 <welshdragon> (from yahoo finance) 04:59:44 * welshdragon checks travelex 04:59:47 <thingwath> oh, sure, this conversion rate was never right, sorry :) 05:01:12 *** RvGaTe [~rvgate-de@dhcp-077-250-020-084.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:01:36 <welshdragon> hmm, £500 = â¬520.35 05:01:41 <welshdragon> better :) 05:02:08 <thingwath> depends. not if you have euros and want pounds :o) 05:02:25 <welshdragon> euros i'll keep 05:02:30 <MrFrans> travelex. 513,35 05:02:35 <MrFrans> ah 05:03:26 <welshdragon> MrFrans: heh, seems i'm wrong ;) 05:03:50 <MrFrans> :D 05:04:22 <MrFrans> it's ok. you can still feel pride in your currency. you are still schooling the dollar and the euro. :P 05:05:12 <welshdragon> but that now means i've spent £180 on acommodation, £150 on travel costs (train + ferry), so it is still quite a cheap holiday 05:05:34 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 05:05:35 <thingwath> if you have the money :) 05:06:25 *** Aygar2 [~aygardupi@c-68-53-84-237.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:07:13 <welshdragon> i will 05:07:16 <thingwath> my last holiday cost something like 70 euros, and I think it was quite expensive :o) 05:08:06 <welshdragon> i get benefits in 2 weeks (and again in 4), and i'll have cleared my credit card by then 05:12:05 *** Aygar [~aygardupi@68.53.84.237] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:19:52 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-164-137-215.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:24:09 <Forked> coffee good. also. 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Maybe 250MB (like the new Zips). One can only hope." 08:19:33 <De_ghosty> lol 08:19:35 <De_ghosty> or 08:19:40 <petern> no, we'll see tiny flash sticks holding 8, 16 or 32GB... 08:19:41 <De_ghosty> we can use flash drive 08:19:42 <De_ghosty> :d 08:20:11 <De_ghosty> lol 1999 article 08:20:13 <petern> 1999, though 08:20:13 <De_ghosty> damn 08:20:14 <petern> yeah 08:20:24 <petern> back then 128MB was a lot of memory... 08:20:26 <De_ghosty> i wish i bought alot of flash maker stock 08:20:30 <De_ghosty> it was 08:20:35 <De_ghosty> and ram was still price fixed 08:20:39 * db48x has a 500gb portable usb HD 08:20:47 <db48x> named Sneakernet 08:21:06 <Forked> my first computer didn't even have a hard drive.. and the second one came with a 40MB one.. DOS could only handle 32MB partitions 08:21:14 <db48x> Forked: yea, I remember that 08:21:26 <db48x> Forked: I had an extra 8mb partition that never really had anything in it 08:21:34 <Forked> I had my mouse drivers on it :) 08:21:37 <db48x> heh 08:22:55 <De_ghosty> OLD PPL!!!!!!!!!!!! 08:23:08 <Forked> I'm not even 27 yet.. 08:23:18 <De_ghosty> ur old relative to me 08:23:25 <db48x> 28 myself 08:23:47 <De_ghosty> hit the turbo button!!!!!!!! 08:23:54 <Forked> ah yes.. the 486 08:23:56 <Forked> dx2 08:23:59 <Forked> 33 -> 66mHz 08:24:03 <Forked> s/m/M 08:24:11 <db48x> actually, the turbo button usually toggled it the other way 08:24:21 <petern> down to 8 MHz, not half speed 08:24:24 <db48x> yea 08:24:46 <Forked> if it's called turbo I'm going to assume it speeded things up when needed 08:25:01 <petern> first DOS i used was 4, which handled 40MB drives okay 08:26:05 <De_ghosty> i never used dos :o 08:26:12 <De_ghosty> i grew up with 95 08:26:33 <Forked> you poor sod. 08:27:31 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:27:31 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:27:35 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 08:31:59 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:32:49 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-work 08:35:17 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.73.249.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35:41 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:13 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.73.249.23] has joined #openttd 08:41:20 <planetmaker> [02:15] <nn64> and allow the servers clients to down load them ? <--- you are NOT allowed to distribute the #openttdcoop newgrf pack. 08:41:46 <planetmaker> it's in violations of the terms of usage and it's in violation of the licenses of several enclosed newgrfs. 08:43:30 <planetmaker> you are, however, free to direct any person to our website to obtain the grf package. 08:43:54 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 08:44:29 <De_ghosty> hahhahahhaha 08:44:29 <De_ghosty> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/tor/881177993.html 08:44:56 <Forked> thats so sold baby jesus saw it before he was born!1 08:47:00 <De_ghosty> http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/123325512598.jpg 09:05:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C584.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:09:31 <Eddi|zuHause> <Forked> if it's called turbo I'm going to assume it speeded things up when needed <- no, it was to speed the processor DOWN, because some programs relied on a fixed processor speed for timing 09:09:48 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. some games were unplayable on faster computers 09:09:53 <Forked> then the name "turbo" is misgiving .. if the button is used for clocking down the cpu :) 09:10:06 <Forked> and I remember those games.. went at 2-3x the speed. was quite challenging =p 09:10:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the turbo button turns turbo off! 09:10:26 <Forked> so by pressing the turbo button again.. you turn it on? 09:10:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but the default was on 09:21:13 <petern> yes, a two state switch, much like a light switch 09:21:25 <petern> you press the light switch to turn the lights on or off 09:21:34 <petern> you press the turbo button to turn turbo on or off... 09:21:41 <petern> on by default :D 09:21:50 <petern> unless you wanted to play bouncing babies 09:21:56 <Forked> still the name indicates it's a speedup rather than a step down ! 09:22:10 *** pleeby [bleepy@5ad103f9.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:22:10 *** bleepy is now known as Guest819 09:22:11 *** pleeby is now known as bleepy 09:22:55 <petern> http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/game/100 09:22:55 <petern> :D 09:23:16 <Forked> I remember that game 09:23:17 <SmatZ> there were games which tested speed of the CPU at start - if you started it with turbo ON and then turned it OFF, it was much easier to play them 09:23:27 <SmatZ> (for example Shooting Gallery) 09:23:36 *** Guest819 [bleepy@5ad103f9.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:43:37 *** pleeby [bleepy@5ad923c3.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:43:37 *** bleepy is now known as Guest822 09:43:37 *** pleeby is now known as bleepy 09:50:11 *** Guest822 [bleepy@5ad103f9.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:51:13 *** pleeby [bleepy@5ad923c3.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:51:13 *** bleepy is now known as Guest824 09:51:14 *** pleeby is now known as bleepy 09:51:29 *** Guest824 [bleepy@5ad923c3.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:01 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@wnn72109.wireless.dtu.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:19 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@wnn72109.wireless.dtu.dk] has joined #openttd 09:57:01 *** ScoTTie [skotty@60-241-12-228.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:02:40 <planetmaker> lol @ petern 's forum post: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=768147#p768147 10:02:44 <petern> :D 10:03:32 <planetmaker> I'm just waiting for the reply "did you maybe forget to add your attachment?" :D 10:04:00 <Forked> poor wacki :\ 10:04:11 <Forked> I'm actually tempted to rdp home just to make him a win32 build 10:04:36 * db48x chuckles 10:04:41 <db48x> also, good nick, 1138 10:05:59 <planetmaker> Forked: then go ahead and be the good guy :) 10:06:11 <DASPRiD> "gooy guy" as in "chucky"? 10:06:15 <DASPRiD> *good 10:06:36 <Forked> I'm hungry and not really in a good mood(or mode?) though.. 10:07:03 <DASPRiD> np, you can eat planetbaker 10:10:15 <dihedral> morning :-) 10:10:19 * dihedral just got to work 10:10:21 <planetmaker> planetbaker was taken when I wanted to register it. 10:10:29 <planetmaker> morning dihedral 10:11:11 <DASPRiD> dihedral, morning ;> 10:11:17 <DASPRiD> planetmaker, poor dude :( 10:12:25 <planetmaker> alas. planetmaker is just as fine :) 10:12:38 <Forked> what about planettaker? 10:12:52 <planetmaker> nah... that doesn't fit :) 10:13:16 <planetmaker> rather create than just take :) 10:15:30 <dihedral> planetenscheisser :-D 10:15:46 <dihedral> ala goldesel :-P 10:17:04 <DASPRiD> lol 10:17:34 <planetmaker> http://www.taz.de/index.php?id=archivseite&dig=2004/12/03/a0314 <-- @ dih 10:33:34 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:35:53 <DASPRiD> "The Drop Tower is a symbol of the local aerospace industry." Das war Englisch. <-- fÃŒr wie dumm halten die die leute? :P 10:36:45 *** Aygar2 [~aygardupi@c-68-53-84-237.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:38:22 *** ScoTTie [skotty@60-241-12-228.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:38:57 *** ScoTTie [skotty@60-241-12-228.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:48:35 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 10:50:25 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:51:53 <dihedral> "Toyland is not a feature, it's a bug" <- lol 10:55:27 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=768143#p768143 <- now that is just darn hilarious petern ;-) 10:55:51 <dihedral> that really cracks me up 10:56:00 *** ScoTTie [skotty@60-241-12-228.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 11:04:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C584.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 11:11:15 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923c3.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: bbiab] 11:13:17 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.187.194] has joined #openttd 11:20:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.187.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:28 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet586.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 11:25:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B815CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:25:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:27:27 <Ammler> that is indeed rofl 11:28:50 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:34:57 <Forked> I'm building the win32 now :\ 11:37:18 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=768156#p768156 <-- dihedral , you got the attribution of the quotation wrong. 11:37:50 <Forked> it wasn't audigex that wrote it.. if it is the post I think it is :) 11:38:39 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=768159#p768159 <-- hehe @ petern - there's obviously an incorrectly adjusted irony detector :D 11:39:24 <planetmaker> Forked: yes. 11:39:31 *** [sleep]buster is now known as [com]buster 11:42:57 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 11:43:38 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 11:46:36 <dihedral> planetmaker, why? 11:47:06 <planetmaker> dihedral: look at whom you quoted and at whom you claim you quoted 11:47:32 <dihedral> heh 11:47:38 <dihedral> i just clicked the 'quote' button 11:47:46 <dihedral> bug in phpbb i take it :-P 11:47:48 <planetmaker> wrong one? :) 11:48:24 <dihedral> no 11:48:37 <planetmaker> dunno then. Just telling :) 11:48:45 <dihedral> in the 'reply' view, i highlighted the part i wanted to quote and clicked 'quote' 11:48:51 <dihedral> but it's fixed 11:49:14 <planetmaker> ? you always have to click "quote" in the correct posting 11:49:28 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@wnn72109.wireless.dtu.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:51:32 <planetmaker> btw, is here someone who owns a mac version of grfcodec and nforenum (working on OSX 10.4)? 11:51:40 *** Gekz [~brendan@adsl-syd-3-174.ozonline.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:51:59 <planetmaker> making of them is a bit tedious... I first need to make a new(er) make :O 11:52:10 <Ammler> and boost ;-) 11:52:17 <planetmaker> well... yeah. 11:52:22 <planetmaker> that worked somehow. 11:52:40 <planetmaker> seems like I got those paths correct :) 11:52:53 <planetmaker> but I only have make 3.80 and nforenum needs 3.81. 11:53:01 <planetmaker> and making of that kinda fails 11:53:21 <planetmaker> or at least make check returns two errors, so I'm not daring enough to make install :) 11:53:42 <planetmaker> I asked the gnu guys about that, but no reply so far :) 11:55:01 <DaleStan> I thought boost didn't use make. And if either nforenum or grfcodec have a make check or a make install, I didn't write them. 11:55:08 <planetmaker> DaleStan: not boost 11:55:17 <planetmaker> but I need to make nforenum and grfcodec 11:55:24 <planetmaker> and nforenum requires make 3.81 11:56:01 <planetmaker> at least it tells me that. And I'm not make guru enough to mess with the make file 11:58:22 <Forked> D:/compile/msys/home/kjetil/32bit/src/video/dedicated_v.cpp: In function `void DedicatedHandleKeyInput()': 11:58:25 <Forked> D:/compile/msys/home/kjetil/32bit/src/video/dedicated_v.cpp:224: warning: unused variable '__ct_assert__' 11:58:28 <Forked> does this matter? :\ 11:59:29 <planetmaker> doesn't matter. But it's not a good sign :) 12:00:29 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 12:00:40 <Forked> was just the Windows binaries thing peter responded to :p 12:01:14 <Rubidium> that doesn't matter; it's a compile time assert to make sure some buffer is always big enough 12:02:46 <Forked> :-) 12:11:40 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:11:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11:43 *** Combuster is now known as [com]buster 12:27:37 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:28:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.218.240] has joined #openttd 12:29:21 <De_ghosty> omg 12:29:31 <De_ghosty> 32bit xp is impossible to work on 1gig images 12:32:05 <petern> what? 12:32:44 <De_ghosty> exactly what i said 12:33:19 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiw183.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:33:27 <planetmaker> hm... no, it's not nforenum, it's upx which requires it - which is a pre-requisite for nforenum. Mixed that up. Well... 12:33:41 <petern> pardon? 12:33:48 <petern> it doesn't need upx 12:34:03 <planetmaker> arg. grfcodec 12:34:13 * planetmaker is in a state of confusion :S 12:34:23 <petern> grfcodec doesn't need upx 12:34:31 <planetmaker> making it? 12:34:37 <petern> or did you mean grfcodec is a prerequisite for nforenum? 12:35:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.187.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:20 *** Gekz [~brendan@adsl-syd-3-174.ozonline.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:33 <planetmaker> ~/ottd/grfcodec ingo$ make 12:36:34 <planetmaker> [STRIP/UPX] grfmrgc.bin 12:36:36 <planetmaker> make: upx: Command not found 12:36:37 <planetmaker> make: *** [grfmrgc.bin] Error 127 12:36:47 <petern> whoopydoo 12:36:52 <petern> it's built grfcodec by then 12:37:09 <planetmaker> unfortunately a segfaulting one. 12:37:18 <petern> upx won't help that 12:37:24 <planetmaker> oh, ok. 12:37:41 <Ammler> planetmaker: try only grfcodec 12:37:43 <planetmaker> I thought I first should try to get all make errors straightened :) 12:37:52 <planetmaker> Ammler: yeah... that doesn't complain 12:37:53 <Ammler> make grfcodec, afaik 12:38:01 <planetmaker> right 12:38:20 <Rubidium> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=106636 ;) 12:38:46 <Ammler> you need the other tools? 12:39:03 <planetmaker> Ammler: not necessarily 12:39:06 <planetmaker> dunno 12:39:14 <planetmaker> just wanted to have them to play with it 12:39:20 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:39:24 <petern> Rubidium ahhaha 12:39:49 <planetmaker> hehe @ Rubidium :) 12:40:16 <Ammler> aren't those tools almost obsolete now? 12:40:31 <Ammler> like converting exe2grf and such? 12:40:32 <planetmaker> are they? what shall I use instead? 12:40:46 <Ammler> just nforrenum and grfcodec 12:41:07 <planetmaker> that requires grfcodec to work in the first place 12:41:13 <Ammler> yep 12:42:15 <Ammler> so you should not "make" all tools in grfcodec, just "make grfcodec" 12:42:30 <Ammler> (did you read 0compile.txt?) 12:44:29 <planetmaker> well. Sort of yes 12:44:37 <petern> heh, stupid content questions now :/ 12:45:22 <planetmaker> Ammler: but what can I learn from that file, if I get a segfault for my grfcodec binary when using it... 12:45:26 <planetmaker> hm... 12:45:41 <planetmaker> or rather no nfo output for your advanced lumbermill, but only a pcx - or is that right? 12:48:03 <planetmaker> nvm. 12:48:06 <planetmaker> works :) 12:48:26 <planetmaker> Just looking in the wrong place. And initially (stupid, stupid!) I ran it on the tar instead of the grf 12:48:55 <planetmaker> sorry for bothering you all with a non-existing problem ;) 12:49:05 <Ammler> well, at first, I would use the source instead decode a grf ;-) 12:49:13 <planetmaker> like psychologists: good that we talked about it ;) 12:49:32 <planetmaker> Ammler: yes. I decoded it. 12:49:43 <planetmaker> not encode :) 12:49:52 <Ammler> decoded grf != source 12:49:59 <planetmaker> yes, I know 12:50:03 <Ammler> :-) 12:50:12 <planetmaker> But I needed something simple to test the binary on :) 12:52:33 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.222.190] has joined #openttd 12:56:21 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet586.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:56:47 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e179197107.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:09:04 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:10:14 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:11:53 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:11:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:12:43 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:43 *** Combuster is now known as [com]buster 13:25:20 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:33 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:26:20 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:05 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm110.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:35:11 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 13:41:55 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.85.21.178] has joined #openttd 13:44:24 <batti5> can anybody help me whit grf encodeing problem 13:44:42 <batti5> ? 13:45:06 <batti5> Fatal Error (47): Offset 5: Invalid property 01 13:45:40 <Ammler> hehe, and all here knows your code 13:46:27 <batti5> then what can i do? 13:49:42 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:54:01 <batti5> can anybody fix this? http://paste.openttd.org/179941 please 14:08:53 <batti5> PCX file is not a 256 colour file! how can i make it? 14:14:39 <planetmaker> batti5: save it as one. Your graphics app should do that for youi 14:15:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:08 *** worldemar [~world@85.114.172.19] has joined #openttd 14:17:11 <worldemar> hi! 14:21:06 * worldemar is happying his birthday 14:21:55 <SmatZ> congratulations worldemar 14:22:03 <worldemar> thanks 14:22:24 <petern> happying? heh 14:22:34 <MrFrans> Happy Birthday worldemar 14:22:45 <planetmaker> congratz, worldemar 14:22:51 <worldemar> petern: yep, happyeiouying 14:23:13 *** nn64 [~nn@74.94.43.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:48 <planetmaker> hm... I just wonder: is it possible to have a dedicated server download missing grfs automatically, provided they're available on bananas? 14:29:00 <planetmaker> or to obtain them on a server? 14:29:57 <planetmaker> openttd --help doesn't give me any hint... 14:30:21 <glx> use the console 14:31:08 <glx> I don't know exactly the commands but they exist 14:31:27 * planetmaker goes looking. 14:31:45 <Rubidium> no; a server can't load a savegame with missing newgrfs, so there's real way to get the missing newgrfs into the commands to get the newgrfs 14:32:20 <planetmaker> say again, Rubidium ? 14:32:31 <planetmaker> missing a "no"? 14:32:39 <Ammler> planetmaker: as you can't start a save, you don't have a console 14:33:01 <Rubidium> yes, I missed a "no" 14:33:06 <planetmaker> hm... a pity actually... 14:33:28 <Ammler> Rubidium: something like a parameter ""--autodownload" ? 14:33:31 *** Mortal is now known as Guest863 14:33:32 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 14:33:35 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:33:55 <Rubidium> Ammler: that's too complex 14:34:09 <planetmaker> in conjunction with -g <savegame> ? 14:34:25 <Ammler> hmm, so starting a plain new map 14:34:45 <Ammler> then console update all 14:34:52 <Ammler> then load the save 14:35:05 <glx> but you can download them using the console before trying to load the savegame 14:35:56 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:36:14 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 14:38:12 <planetmaker> glx: I can only update to the newest version. A deprecated version might not be availble then, I guess 14:38:20 *** Guest863 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:23 <Ammler> can't you select by md5? 14:41:25 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:42:06 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:42:10 <Ammler> and if you select all, you download also crap ;-) 14:43:29 * planetmaker thinks the wiki needs an update on that part :) 14:44:12 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:44:38 * planetmaker goes adding a few lines 14:50:10 *** worldemar [~world@85.114.172.19] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:37 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 14:56:03 * DASPRiD goes removing a few of planetmaker's few lines 14:56:18 <planetmaker> wiki updated. 14:56:41 <DASPRiD> wiki reverted. 14:56:42 <DASPRiD> =P 14:56:43 * planetmaker kicks DASPRiD for starting a pointless edit war 14:56:47 <DASPRiD> :( 14:58:04 <Brokkoli> openttd seems to leak some memory? 14:58:26 <Sacro> more than likely 14:58:55 <Brokkoli> when i startet it was about 80 mb.. now its 300 14:59:10 <Brokkoli> without building new things 14:59:20 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:34 <Rubidium> reckon that isn't a linux build then ;) 14:59:35 <DASPRiD> 300mb is much.. but not so much :) 14:59:36 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.47.102] has joined #openttd 15:00:49 <Sacro> it's impossible 15:01:01 <Sacro> it's less than 1b 15:01:08 <Sacro> unless you mean Mb or even MB 15:01:30 <planetmaker> :D 15:02:44 <Sacro> mb should be a kickable unit 15:02:49 <Sacro> it's never useable 15:02:59 <Rubidium> yeah ;) 15:03:00 *** nn64 [~nn@74.94.43.196] has joined #openttd 15:03:20 <Rubidium> and everything related to mb should be kickable too, right? 15:03:30 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 15:03:54 <petern> chuck norris? 15:04:00 <Brokkoli> lol 15:07:32 <Brokkoli> you know "what" mb 15:07:41 <petern> michael blunck? 15:08:02 *** petern was kicked from #openttd by Rubidium [as per Sacro's request] 15:08:32 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has joined #openttd 15:08:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 15:08:45 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@*.KCOM.COM] by petern 15:08:54 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*Rubidium@rbijker.net] by petern 15:08:54 *** Rubidium was kicked from #openttd by petern [as per my request] 15:09:14 <worldemar> kickable Rubidium >_< 15:09:28 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*Rubidium@rbijker.net] by petern 15:10:15 <Brokkoli> 300 michael blunck? 15:10:22 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:10:25 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:26 <Brokkoli> would be many newgrfs :) 15:10:41 *** mode/#openttd [+e *!*Rubidium@rbijker.net] by ChanServ 15:10:48 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:10:54 <worldemar> hordes of michael blunk... just like lemmings 15:11:03 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 15:12:01 <petern> oh what fun 15:15:16 *** nn64 [~nn@74.94.43.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by DorpsGek 15:17:43 <Brokkoli> maybe a bug: the ordering by capacity for articulated vehicles is wrong.. 15:18:32 <Brokkoli> seems like only the first part is considered? 15:19:03 <Rubidium> is that in trunk? 15:19:24 <Brokkoli> no 0.7 beta 15:20:45 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 15:20:52 <Brokkoli> i will try the nightly 15:21:06 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:22:45 <Brokkoli> same thing there 15:23:16 <Rubidium> then make a bugreport @ bugs.openttd.org 15:25:44 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 15:26:10 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has joined #openttd 15:28:01 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:42 <Brokkoli> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2689 here it is 15:29:26 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 15:30:37 <Ammler> you download the missing grfs from bananas after loading the save, isn't that too late? 15:32:16 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:34:38 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.219.211] has joined #openttd 15:34:38 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:26 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=768221#p768221 <--- hehe :) well said 15:42:49 <batti5> any help with my grf? 15:43:41 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.219.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:47:59 *** NukeBuster222 [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 15:51:09 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:26 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:52:13 <batti5> i created a grf, but its useless, what im doing wrong? 15:53:17 <batti5> when a loaded it to openttd, it applyed, but i cant find it in-game 15:53:45 <planetmaker> batti5: I propose you have a look at other, very simple but similar grfs. Like e.g. the hover bus which was recently made available. 15:53:52 <planetmaker> or DJN's MX-3000 grf. 15:54:03 <planetmaker> yours should work pretty similar then. 15:55:54 <planetmaker> decode them, look at the source and compare with yours. Or just copy it and put in your stats and pics 15:59:33 <batti5> but my stripe dont have numbers above 16:00:50 <planetmaker> ... and? 16:02:43 <planetmaker> or rather: so what? 16:08:01 <batti5> somethigs wrong http://paste.openttd.org/179943 16:10:06 <planetmaker> obviously you use a) less sprites than declared and b) a wrong palette. Get one of the two palettes OpenTTD / TTDP support. 16:10:27 <batti5> i have one 16:10:53 <batti5> but what i should do with it? 16:11:02 <planetmaker> that said I really urge you: get the mx3000. Decode it. Replace a single image. Re-encode it, see whether it works. Change single stats. re-eoncode it, see whether it works. Get it working step by step 16:11:18 <planetmaker> Other than that: I've no idea. I never did any newgrf things. 16:11:28 <batti5> ok 16:11:47 <Ammler> batti5: t<->p ;-) 16:12:41 <Ammler> nforenum has no errors/warnings? 16:13:45 <petern> oh 16:13:51 <petern> stripe -> sprite... 16:13:52 <petern> hah 16:15:01 <batti5> the le5100.pcx is not accepted by encoder 16:15:10 <batti5> wrong pallete 16:15:26 <batti5> how to fix it? 16:16:05 <petern> apply the correct palette 16:16:22 <planetmaker> well. Open in your graphics programme and save it properly? I guess the advice doesn't change, Regardless how many times you ask that question. 16:17:42 <batti5> and how to do it with gimp? 16:17:47 <Rubidium> planetmaker: at a given threshold the advice becomes an eery silence 16:17:58 <Ammler> if you use GIMP, you could download a palette template from forums, afaik. 16:18:10 <Ammler> he 16:18:12 <planetmaker> Rubidium: yes. :) I know. 16:18:26 <planetmaker> That statement was about the "border indicator" ;) 16:18:34 <batti5> and? how to importit to gimp? 16:18:48 <Ammler> did you find it? 16:18:59 <batti5> yes 16:19:17 <Ammler> there is no howto there? 16:19:25 <batti5> no 16:19:52 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:20:30 <batti5> i open mystripe in png in gime, and now? 16:20:41 <batti5> gimp 16:21:42 <Ammler> batti5: t<->p ;-) 16:21:52 <batti5> ? 16:23:21 <planetmaker> [17:13] <petern> stripe -> sprite... <--- thank you actually. :) 16:23:57 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 16:24:58 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:25:07 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [] 16:25:27 <batti5> Loading sprites/le5100.pcx 16:25:28 <batti5> Error: Unrecognized palette, aborting. 16:26:51 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 16:27:52 <batti5> this way, it isent going to be any romanian train set. 16:29:33 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiw183.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 16:30:21 <batti5> but a pallete is in png? 16:31:28 <Ammler> where did you find the palette? 16:32:10 <batti5> http://users.tt-forums.net/purno/PDT/restored/subpages/passenger_coach_tutorial.html 16:32:41 <batti5> whare can i find the real one? 16:37:57 <batti5> whare can i find a tt palette? 16:39:45 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:39:51 <Aali> wow, thats a new one, someone trying to apply a patch using the in-game patch command :D 16:41:27 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 16:42:18 <Brokkoli> lol? 16:42:39 <batti5> whare can i find a tt palette? 16:43:36 <el_en> english only 16:45:17 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [] 16:46:10 <Brokkoli> i dont know 16:46:43 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-184.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:48:09 <Brokkoli> maybe extract it from a pcx 16:49:10 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 16:50:38 <planetmaker> yeah. from a working grf :) 16:52:25 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [] 16:52:32 <Ammler> batti5: you get more help on tt-forums as there aren't many grf authors around here... (working with GIMP) 16:53:25 <Ammler> or maybe #tycoon 16:54:37 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*@*.KCOM.COM] by petern 16:54:59 <batti5> don`t get it i convert the palette but its still 32bit 16:55:34 <planetmaker> sure you need to convert the thing to 256 colours. 16:55:38 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:56:52 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 16:57:22 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:58:28 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [] 17:00:38 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 17:02:14 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has left #openttd [Leaving] 17:03:53 *** dfox [~dfox@rb5cm232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:28 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:10:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:12:27 <dihedral> trallalla 17:19:26 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:27:10 <petern> chuck norris? 17:27:25 <petern> what would 17:27:29 <petern> brian boitano do? 17:27:43 *** Mastor [~yur1j@230-34-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:08 <Sacro> if he where here right now 17:30:01 <Mastor> ppl, can some one help me, where i can download all grf files for oTTD in 1 archive file? 17:30:23 <petern> you can't 17:32:40 <Belugas> Mastor, there are no packs that gather all the grf files produced by the whole community 17:32:45 <Belugas> it's not a centralized process 17:33:44 <Ammler> Mastor: but you can select all grfs and download them in one go... 17:34:06 <Mastor> Ammler, where? 17:34:14 <Ammler> ingame 17:34:25 <dihedral> Ammler, that are not ALL grf's!!! 17:34:27 <Ammler> with 0.7 beta 17:34:34 <dihedral> those are merely all uploaded to bananas 17:34:56 <dihedral> if he wants _all_ newGRFs, he will have a LOT of searching and downloading to do :-P 17:35:07 <Mastor> bb all, thnx 17:35:14 <Belugas> whhooooo... that's a lot of work.... 17:35:17 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd3d8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:35:27 *** Mastor [~yur1j@230-34-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has left #openttd [] 17:35:31 <Ammler> how many are ALL ;-) 17:35:44 <Belugas> much more than 1, for sure 17:35:56 <dihedral> :-P 17:36:08 <Belugas> and i believe much more than the amount of bananas's content too... 17:36:18 <dihedral> and much more than OpenTTD can load 17:36:57 <Belugas> if OpenTTD gives you an error, JUST DARE FILLING UP A BUG REPORT! 17:38:27 <Sacro> heh, all grf files? 17:38:35 <Sacro> you need to mirror bananas, grfcrawler 17:38:38 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:38:50 <Sacro> watch out for eis_os as his tunnels GRF is illegal to use with !ttdpatch 17:38:54 <Ammler> that ia around 50% 17:42:43 <Belugas> empiric data? hard fact number? cristal ball gazing? approximation after smoking in the boys room? 17:42:45 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 17:42:56 <De_ghosty> tunnel grf? 17:43:01 <De_ghosty> is there signal in them? 17:43:15 <Ammler> hehe 17:43:40 <Ammler> Belugas: "around" :P 17:43:49 * glx slaps De_ghosty 17:43:50 <Belugas> of course, there are signals in them. what you think 17:44:06 <De_ghosty> it could be bendable tunnels :o 17:44:38 <De_ghosty> or tunnels that can change level undergound :o 17:44:39 <Belugas> well... ther are bent and illuminated with signals. I though everybody knew 17:44:48 <De_ghosty> WANT!! 17:45:14 <dihedral> why de people try to place signals in tunnels themselves? 17:45:35 <dihedral> would it not be an approach to have a fixed distance for 'signals' in tunnels? 17:45:50 <De_ghosty> fixed? 17:45:52 <dihedral> that just work like the fake signals in depots 17:45:53 <De_ghosty> like 1 tile? 17:46:04 <dihedral> like set in your advanced settings 17:46:25 <De_ghosty> :o 17:46:35 <De_ghosty> but what if i need to change it to make it denser? 17:46:36 <glx> "dynamic" signal distance depending on train length ? 17:46:55 <dihedral> or a tunnel options window :-P 17:46:59 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 17:47:26 <Belugas> ctrl-clicking the tunnel entrance! 17:47:32 <dihedral> aye 17:47:37 <dihedral> signal distance :-P 17:47:42 <PierreW> what 17:47:45 <PierreW> there are signals in tunnels? 17:47:50 <Ammler> lol 17:47:57 <dihedral> sure there are, just not in the tunnels in OpenTTD 17:48:04 <PierreW> m000hawhawhaw 17:48:08 <Ammler> Chunnel or so 17:48:09 <PierreW> u r zo teh fun :D 17:48:11 <PierreW> *laughs* 17:48:21 * dihedral extends his ignore list 17:48:34 <De_ghosty> arg hard drives are so slow 17:48:42 <De_ghosty> it's already raid 0 17:48:48 <De_ghosty> i need raptors 17:48:52 <Ammler> maybe the hard disk signal is red 17:48:53 <dihedral> yeah - raid 0 is soooo good! :-P 17:49:03 <De_ghosty> until one of em failz 17:49:05 <De_ghosty> lol 17:49:06 * PierreW is happy about that 17:49:41 <De_ghosty> :o 17:49:54 <De_ghosty> you know how we can hack signal in tunnel? 17:50:04 <De_ghosty> wait nvm 17:50:33 <PierreW> just do 2 tile tunnels, 1 tile track, 2 tile tunnel, 1 tile track [ ... ] then you have each 3rd tile a signal and alot of tunnels 17:50:54 <De_ghosty> monstrous effort 17:50:59 <De_ghosty> and u can't build over that 17:51:08 <Belugas> petern: Swallow asks for re-opening the FS#2685. I think it should only be done when a real grf is built. But he might be right, if i understand his logic correctly. It is your call to deny of accept the reopening 17:53:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B815CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:55:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80251.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:55:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:01:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F91D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80251.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B802EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:09:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:10:18 <Eddi|zuHause> <dihedral> would it not be an approach to have a fixed distance for 'signals' in tunnels? <- the initial problem is to get trains to stop at any point that is in the tunnel. that is where custom bridgeheads failed 18:11:15 <dihedral> ah 18:11:20 <dihedral> that is good to know 18:11:28 <Eddi|zuHause> through the whole wormhole journey, the train stays on the same tile (the wormhole exit), and the signal check only works when changing tiles 18:11:55 <dihedral> how then is determined when the train exists? 18:12:17 <Eddi|zuHause> the train is on the exit tile, with a huge offset 18:12:17 <dihedral> exists the wormhole that is 18:12:27 <Eddi|zuHause> when the offset hits 0, the exit is reached 18:12:37 <dihedral> extending the signal check to offsets? :-P 18:12:41 * dihedral hides 18:13:08 <Eddi|zuHause> my suggestion would be to make the "vehicleEnterTile" functions z-aware 18:13:17 <Belugas> undo the wormhole code 18:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause> and introduce "wormhole" tiles 18:15:15 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 18:15:40 <Ammler> if you introduce signals in tunnels, we will also lose another "game" part. 18:16:14 * Belugas cries the lost game part 18:16:38 <Ammler> same with distant-join and station walk. 18:16:41 <Belugas> there are already signals on the tunnel 18:16:46 <Belugas> just that nobody seems them 18:16:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15591 /trunk/src/lang/ (17 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:16:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-27 18:16:01 18:16:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 6 changed by Ludslad (6) 18:16:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 fixed by arnaullv (1) 18:16:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 4 fixed by ThomasA (4) 18:16:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 4 fixed by habell (4) 18:16:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 fixed by jpx_ (1) 18:17:58 <dihedral> Ammler, what would you lose? 18:18:16 <Ammler> building hubs would be quite easy with those tunnels 18:18:27 <Ammler> and boring. 18:18:30 <dihedral> and what would you lose? 18:18:46 <Belugas> game part 18:18:51 <Belugas> can't yu read dihedral? 18:18:56 <Ammler> :-) 18:18:56 <Belugas> seems so logic to me! 18:19:10 <dihedral> does it really? or are you just being ironic? 18:19:17 <Belugas> don't smile. i'm highly ironic 18:19:20 <Belugas> hehe 18:19:27 <dihedral> thought so :-P 18:19:30 <Ammler> (me isn't) 18:19:45 <dihedral> Ammler, we know you are not, just i fail to see which part you lose 18:19:47 * Belugas thinks dihedral starts to know the whale a bit 18:19:51 <dihedral> i dont get the loss part 18:20:34 <dihedral> uh... uh... now i need to find a new spy :-D 18:20:44 <Eddi|zuHause> he is doing what all people do, trying to protect his work he spent on designing complex junctions, where tunnels create the problem of long signal distances 18:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause> which would become (partly) obsolete 18:21:29 <Eddi|zuHause> but you could give the same argument for PBS 18:21:32 <dihedral> funny - i recall Ammler being very much after pbs 18:21:38 <Ammler> still 18:21:48 <Ammler> pbs rocks. 18:21:56 <dihedral> then signals in tunnels will also 18:22:03 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: you can't replace hubs with pbs. 18:22:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F91D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:16 <Belugas> still... naaaa all of them... Crosby, Still, nash AND Young 18:23:04 <Eddi|zuHause> "Gleich drei Dinge auf einmal? Das geht nun wirklich nicht!" 18:23:15 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:24:11 <dihedral> Ammler: what exactly would be your fear if there were signals in tunnels? 18:24:25 <Ammler> [19:18] <Belugas> can't yu read dihedral? 18:24:58 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: brb] 18:25:00 <dihedral> Ammler, the magic word here is _exactly_ - give me an example! something that i might understand, other than your 'lose a game part' 18:25:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F91D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:25:03 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:08 <Ammler> but well, there might be other things you can looking for then. 18:25:14 <planetmaker> Ammler: definitely: having signals in tunnels doesn't hurt. But mentioning the reasons why it would be cool, is a quietable offence here :D 18:25:19 <Belugas> [13:20] <@Belugas> don't smile. i'm highly ironic 18:25:47 <dihedral> i did not want to turn it into a - quote Belugas fight :-P 18:25:57 <Ammler> planetmaker: that is the point, it doesn't hurg 18:25:59 <Ammler> hurt 18:26:07 <planetmaker> ? 18:26:10 <dihedral> but? 18:26:20 <Ammler> it will make building networks much easier 18:26:26 <dihedral> so? 18:26:26 <planetmaker> so what? 18:26:30 <Ammler> well 18:26:37 * dihedral is curious 18:26:46 <Ammler> that is fine, indeed. 18:26:59 <dihedral> not in the dog-way curious... 18:27:10 * dihedral will not go around sniffing peoples rear ends :-P 18:27:41 * planetmaker is glad that this anal issue is now solved 18:28:25 <Eddi|zuHause> "do not abbreviate 'analytic' after the 'l'", my maths teacher said :p 18:28:36 <dihedral> hehe 18:28:38 <planetmaker> hehe 18:30:56 <planetmaker> irrespective of features this game will never be too easy nor too difficult 18:31:03 <planetmaker> it will just be different 18:31:27 <dihedral> "different" is the word my mother uses for something she does not like :-D 18:31:35 <planetmaker> :) 18:32:17 <planetmaker> I usually use it in its original sense :) 18:32:58 <Ammler> dihedral: I am different ;-) 18:33:29 <Belugas> [13:28] <Ammler> that is fine, indeed. <-- now... i am puzzled... It is fine to loose game part??? 18:34:03 <Ammler> I tried to be ironic, too :P 18:34:11 <Belugas> different is oftenly used to point to gays in here... 18:34:28 <Belugas> Ammler, my friend... you need practice! 18:34:38 <Ammler> Belugas: THAT doesn't matter in this channel 18:34:42 <dihedral> Ammler, if you want us to understand what you dont like, being ironic might not be all too helpful right now 18:35:00 <dihedral> :-) 18:35:17 <Ammler> dihedral: never said, I do not like it, did I? 18:35:25 * Ammler read back... 18:35:39 <Ammler> I just told we lose a game part 18:36:26 <Belugas> well... that, in my book, is directly connected to a bad/sad/unwanted event... 18:36:48 <planetmaker> well... I read it as such. "building hubs would be quite easy with those tunnels 18:36:50 <planetmaker> [19:18] <Ammler> and boring." - but I might interpret that wrongly :) 18:36:52 <Ammler> Belugas: sometimes you need to pay for new (mostly) better things 18:36:53 <dihedral> i still dont get it! i mean - where is the loss if junctions for a change dont need doubled tunnels no more? 18:37:17 <Ammler> as it was with station walk 18:37:18 <planetmaker> dih: noobs can build a hub withouth knowing about signal distance :P 18:37:18 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-160.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 18:37:37 <Belugas> Ammler: agreed. this is why the distance factor has been introduced to noise airport 18:37:44 <dihedral> seriously - you think noobs can build junctions as exist in openttdcoop just because there are signals in tunnels? 18:37:48 <Belugas> give on one hand, take on the other 18:37:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:38:08 <dihedral> Belugas, just dont cut off the entire arm :-D 18:38:37 <energetic> http://tweakers.net/ext/f/KYlPdJgpgcxUahYP52t7Zbn3/full.png versus v2: http://tweakers.net/ext/f/SVhskchDWkweJha3kA18687Z/full.png 18:38:39 <planetmaker> dihedral: not quite. But same with stations and path signals: now noobs - who know path signals - can build somewhat decent functions; something they couldn't before 18:39:01 <dihedral> so? 18:39:14 <energetic> (cities are rendered in black text, and these two icons enable you to filter on towns/cities only 18:39:17 <dihedral> makes Ammler appear as less of a junction-builder? 18:39:24 <dihedral> he feels he loses his 'status'? 18:40:29 <Ammler> wow, I have a "status" :-o 18:40:35 <dihedral> it's in quotes :-P 18:40:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B802EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:51 <Ammler> hmm :-( 18:40:54 <dihedral> :-P 18:41:16 <dihedral> anyway - the 'noob' argument is pretty poor imo (and i doubt it was meant seriously, but i could be wrong there) :-P 18:41:53 <Ammler> you can take a junction from wiki.openttd.org and use in coop games then. 18:42:10 <Eddi|zuHause> <Belugas> Ammler: agreed. this is why the distance factor has been introduced to noise airport <- i was thinking about this, what about making the reduction non-linear. e.g. 10 tiles for the first reduction, 5 tiles for the second reduction, 3 tiles for the third reduction, 2 tiles for the fourth, etc. 18:42:13 <Belugas> well... noobs ask for funny stuff... "where Can I download all grfs" :P 18:42:17 <dihedral> oh - so you would fear openttdcoop would be less special, Ammler ? 18:42:53 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, anything is possible. If you come up with a decent design, and SmatZ agrees to it, why not ;) 18:43:06 <Ammler> well, the hubs is 1. thing what coop makes 18:43:25 <dihedral> if that is your impression about openttdcoop, then that is pretty sad :-P 18:43:58 <dihedral> is openttdcoop not more about a community - working together, completing bigger maps, having a structure in building? 18:44:10 <Eddi|zuHause> the other problem i had with airports was in maps with few big cities and lots of small villages. the city authority needs a way to overrule the neighbouring villages' noise concerns 18:44:15 <dihedral> is that not more important than having the biggest hub? 18:44:20 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't know how to properly solve that 18:44:20 <dihedral> size does not matter you know! 18:44:29 <De_ghosty> yes it does 18:44:31 <Sacro> dihedral: only people with small penii say that 18:44:42 <De_ghosty> just make a bigger city have more radius influence 18:44:44 <dihedral> Sacro, in this case: with small hubs ;-) 18:44:52 <petern> What's a "penii" ? 18:45:02 <Ammler> dihedral: I was speaking about the coop games 18:45:10 <Ammler> not about openttdcoop as community 18:45:10 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B800C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:45:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:45:49 <dihedral> so you just like bragging with the huge junctions in the games ;) 18:45:51 <Eddi|zuHause> <Sacro> dihedral: only people with small penii say that <- if you have "penii", you have worse problems than size :p 18:45:54 <Ammler> just go to the archive and check which parts are mostly as scren 18:46:01 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, LOL 18:46:15 <De_ghosty> I wants signal in tunnels :o 18:46:24 <dihedral> De_ghosty, code it 18:46:39 <De_ghosty> i was suggesting you guys do it :D 18:46:47 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: my underwear fits like a glove 18:46:56 <dihedral> or, follow some train tracks into some tunnel and wait for the next train 18:46:59 <De_ghosty> it is a glove!! 18:47:11 <dihedral> LOL 18:47:13 <Eddi|zuHause> where is this "someone" guy when you need him? 18:47:22 <dihedral> yeah 18:47:27 <dihedral> anybody aint here either 18:47:36 <De_ghosty> i nominate dihedral 18:47:48 <dihedral> do what you want 18:47:52 <dihedral> :-P 18:47:58 <De_ghosty> lol 18:48:01 <De_ghosty> I WILL 18:48:16 <dihedral> just spare us the details 18:48:25 <De_ghosty> i can't 18:48:33 <De_ghosty> i have to let you know every little part 18:48:37 <Eddi|zuHause> De_ghosty: above i wrote exactly what needs to be done 18:48:48 <Eddi|zuHause> just start... 18:48:52 <De_ghosty> yea i saw wormhole :) 18:49:21 <Eddi|zuHause> "wormhole" is just short for "bridge or tunnel" 18:49:31 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:47 <Eddi|zuHause> (both are exactly the same for vehicle movement purposes) 18:50:44 <Belugas> [13:47] <De_ghosty> I wants signal in tunnels :o <--- it's already there, you just do not see them 18:50:45 <De_ghosty> in theory 18:50:47 <Belugas> it's a tunnel!!! 18:50:56 <De_ghosty> that's not true 18:51:01 <De_ghosty> the train don't see em either 18:51:15 <Belugas> that is another matter. you jsut asked for signals :P 18:51:40 <Eddi|zuHause> "if there is a tree in the wood, and nobody sees it, is the cat dead?" 18:51:52 <De_ghosty> yes 18:52:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host148-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:52:33 <Wolf01> hell-o 18:53:27 <Belugas> my cat never roam in any wood 18:53:34 <Belugas> jello! 18:53:44 <dihedral> yello? 18:54:00 <dihedral> Belugas, your cat is too huge to fit past the trees :-P 18:54:03 <Eddi|zuHause> hell01? 18:54:08 <Belugas> lol 18:56:41 <De_ghosty> apollo 18:56:43 <frosch123> dihedral: no, the wood is always covered by masses of snow 18:57:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the answer is: you can't see the wood because of all the trees! 18:58:01 <Eddi|zuHause> or: 42, depending on your personal faith 18:58:55 <Belugas> snow :( ... 18:59:08 <Eddi|zuHause> no snow :( 18:59:22 <Eddi|zuHause> => rain :( 19:00:53 <planetmaker> => rain 19:02:51 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-160.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 19:09:16 <Belugas> still 19:09:18 <Belugas> snow 19:09:19 <Belugas> all 19:09:20 <Belugas> around 19:09:20 <Belugas> the 19:09:21 <Belugas> place 19:09:23 <Belugas> and 19:09:24 <Belugas> not 19:09:26 <Belugas> melting 19:09:27 <Belugas> at 19:09:28 <Belugas> all 19:09:46 * planetmaker hands Belugas a few warm, sunny days. 19:09:47 <planetmaker> :P 19:09:50 <frosch123> next time "ssaatpanmaa" is enough :) 19:10:01 <Belugas> lol 19:10:16 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.85.21.178] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10:46 <planetmaker> oh he went :P 19:11:32 <Eddi|zuHause> he said something? 19:12:03 <Eddi|zuHause> right... i set him on ignore right after his first line in this channel... 19:12:47 <Wolf01> ahah 19:13:28 <frosch123> hello alf 19:14:04 <Wolf01> I think I'll build one of that paper yamaha bikes -> http://www.yamaha-motor.co.jp/global/entertainment/papercraft/realistic/index.html 19:14:17 <Wolf01> s/that/those 19:37:09 <energetic> *checks channel.... hey, this is ottd 19:40:09 <petern> nice 19:48:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F91D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:02 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:56:50 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58:12 *** michi_cc [2bc0499b60@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:42 <dihedral> re 20:09:23 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:12:44 * dihedral has the impression some certain devs will be contacted by Sir koZ again!! 20:12:51 <dihedral> people like Belugas maybe! 20:13:02 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=768171#p768171 20:13:02 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 20:13:30 <Belugas> \he did 20:13:49 <dihedral> HAHA 20:13:52 <dihedral> poor you 20:17:23 *** michi_cc [f841cef4a7@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 20:17:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 20:23:04 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm110.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: >:3] 20:24:17 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=768180#p768180 20:24:30 <dihedral> this must be the best post ever wrt patching the source 20:24:52 <dihedral> wow 20:25:00 *** NukeBuster222 [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 20:25:10 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 20:26:30 <Ammler> hehe, someone already posted just the screen. 20:27:17 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:27:23 <dihedral> i think it's just awsome 20:27:40 <dihedral> i'd nearly go as far as saying that made my day 20:28:30 <KingJ> heh 20:30:38 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 20:40:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-62-17.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:40:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15592 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Fix: Refit-info in purchase list did only check the first articulated part. 20:59:58 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:59 <petern> good job that stuff is cached ;) 21:04:34 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 21:06:59 <frosch123> what is cached? 21:08:21 <planetmaker> irc? 21:08:42 <planetmaker> I think it was our red gem who mentioned it first :) 21:09:31 <petern> hmm, dunno, i thought it was something to do with sorting :o 21:10:22 <frosch123> no, that task is too much work for me :) 21:10:45 <petern> hehe 21:15:56 <apo_> or starting another company to transfer money to your own company <--- it's possible to transfer money? 21:16:20 <Yexo> apo_: yes, but only if it's enabled 21:16:27 <planetmaker> hm... the "Station name" of deleted waypoints doesn't get gray like deleted station names do. Is that intended? 21:16:35 <Yexo> on most servers it's disabled because of cheating 21:16:57 *** andy` [andy@cassarossa.samfundet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:41 <apo_> economy.give_money <--- this? 21:17:53 <Yexo> apo_: I think so 21:17:58 <apo_> Hm... 21:18:00 <apo_> That's enabled 21:18:04 <apo_> So how do I give money? 21:18:12 <Yexo> open the clientlist 21:18:16 <Eddi|zuHause> on the client list 21:18:24 <Yexo> then hold your mouse on one of the clients 21:18:25 *** Nuke2 [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 21:18:32 <apo_> Cool, thanks. 21:18:43 <Yexo> planetmaker: are you sure? The waypoint name gets gray here when I delete the waypoint 21:18:46 <dihedral> is that not documented in the wiki? 21:18:51 * apo_ will try it when he gets another player <_< 21:18:57 <planetmaker> not here. 21:18:57 <apo_> dihedral: I didn't find it anywhere. 21:19:03 * apo_ searched for transfer money =P 21:19:16 <dihedral> apo: if i find in 30 seconds, what do i get 21:19:22 <planetmaker> r15591 21:19:31 <planetmaker> playing on the PS. Just tested :) 21:19:42 * Yexo just tested on 15590 in sp 21:19:44 <apo_> dihedral: 1000k if you find my server in 30s as well :P 21:20:06 <dihedral> having an issue setting up a server eh? 21:20:11 <planetmaker> Yexo: the background gets gray. But NOT the text 21:20:21 * apo_ ? Nah. The server's running. 21:20:24 <planetmaker> For stations the text gets gray 21:20:26 <Yexo> planetmaker: ah, I can confirm that :) 21:20:26 <planetmaker> from white 21:20:36 <planetmaker> :) 21:20:45 <dihedral> apo_, then you dont need help with it :-P 21:20:47 <planetmaker> I never play with backgrounds for signs :) 21:21:01 <planetmaker> those are always transparent :) 21:22:45 <Yexo> planetmaker: on the other hand, waypoint names are always white,and not in the company color as station names 21:23:02 <planetmaker> hm... yeah. I wonder why :) 21:23:16 <OsteHovel> How is Openttd's compile system made? 21:23:25 <dihedral> ? 21:23:26 <planetmaker> OTOH: deleted station names have no company colour either. Just gray. 21:23:35 <Eddi|zuHause> it was written with an editor, OsteHovel. 21:23:45 <OsteHovel> are it made using standar autoconf, automake ? or by hand? 21:23:46 <planetmaker> There the text gets the colour of the background when transparency changes 21:23:59 <planetmaker> The same could be done for waypoints, I guess... 21:24:07 *** andy` [andy@cassarossa.samfundet.no] has joined #openttd 21:24:08 <Eddi|zuHause> OsteHovel: by hand 21:24:16 <Yexo> hmm, it's also possible to click on already deleted waypoints and change their name 21:24:29 <Yexo> same for stations btw 21:24:36 <planetmaker> oh :) 21:24:47 <planetmaker> but that doesn't matter, I guess 21:27:27 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet586.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:30:25 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FE09.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:31:24 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... are the opengfx maglev tracks wider than the original? 21:32:47 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=767951#p767951 <- like in the screenshot here? 21:34:11 <dihedral> oh my 21:35:53 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:26:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15593 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Change: the background of the the waypoint sign is now in the company color. 22:28:11 <Wolf01> 'night 22:28:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host148-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:28:19 <planetmaker> ty, Yexo :) 22:28:32 <Yexo> the text is still always white though 22:29:20 <planetmaker> hm... then I won't see the change :) 22:29:41 * frosch123 likes the different colour 22:30:09 <frosch123> planetmaker: use white company colour :p 22:30:42 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:49 <planetmaker> frosch123: uh... what I noted is that the waypoint colour with transparent background doesnt' change between existing and deleted ones 22:30:57 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 22:30:59 <planetmaker> the colour of the text itself 22:31:15 <planetmaker> e.g. I don't see whether it's deleted or not. 22:31:49 <planetmaker> of course because I play with transparent signs :) 22:32:08 <Yexo> planetmaker: that's because the color of the text (with invisible signs) is the color of the background (without invisible signs) 22:32:19 <Yexo> waypoints overrule that, by always using white text 22:32:30 <planetmaker> seems like :) 22:33:01 <Yexo> planetmaker: you already play with client-side patches, right? 22:33:33 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/waypoint_sign.diff <- second part is in trunk now, if you apply the first part the text will be black/gray for non-deleted/deleted 22:33:55 <planetmaker> he... well, yes, I do have some I like :) 22:34:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.218.240] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:35:08 <planetmaker> :) thank you, Yexo 22:36:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:46:55 *** goodger_ [~ben@host86-158-205-163.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:51:50 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:53:46 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-163.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:20 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:22 *** Tim [~Administr@p5B37DC4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:59:39 <Tim> Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees! 22:59:42 <Tim> :) 22:59:50 <el_en> wait 23:00:06 <Tim> uh, midnight 23:00:31 <el_en> ok, go on. 23:00:38 <Tim> I just suceeded in drawing my first train sprite and coding it into an actually working grf :) 23:01:03 <frosch123> you are lucky that batti is not around 23:01:27 <Tim> Wait... the guy with the aeroplanes? 23:01:32 <dihedral> :-) 23:01:38 <Tim> ;) 23:01:38 <dihedral> batti has been long on my ignore list 23:01:58 <Tim> That's like everywhere in life, you only remember the names of the bad kids :D 23:02:38 <Tim> Damn... the other views will get a lot more complicated... 23:02:44 <Tim> Front view is kinda easy :D 23:16:09 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:11 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:27:06 *** arex\ [arex_@158.36.150.63] has joined #openttd 23:27:35 <arex\> My trains are too old. Can I autoreplace them with the same type? 23:28:08 <Yexo> yes, enable autoreplace in the advanced settings window 23:28:19 <frosch123> "autorenew" :p 23:29:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd3d8.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:15 <arex\> thanks 23:30:18 *** arex\ [arex_@158.36.150.63] has quit [] 23:37:31 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:30 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B800C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 23:55:26 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B800C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:55:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ