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00:00:08 <Bjarni> the steam engine broke all the time and the railroad discarded it after a short while 00:00:11 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-129-82-215.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:00:15 <Booth> IMO they should build more train the the BR class 222 HST 00:00:23 <Booth> or the TGV atlantque 00:00:40 <Bjarni> they should build more trains [...] 00:00:44 <Bjarni> and more tracks 00:00:50 <SHADOW-XIII> glx : is it ok file .tar.gz ? 00:01:02 <glx> no only tar 00:01:18 <glx> uncompressed 00:01:28 <SmatZ> use gunzip, not mv ;) 00:01:54 <Booth> and i dont think maglev will take off 00:02:13 <Booth> as they wont be able to get it into old city cetres 00:02:18 <Booth> cost effectivly 00:02:21 <frosch123> they are not supposed to take off, that is for planes 00:02:29 <Booth> ha ha ha 00:02:34 <SHADOW-XIII> glx what about grf parameters? 00:02:55 <Booth> set to defualt 00:03:24 <Booth> has anyone got ttd to work on an I-Phone yet? 00:03:29 <Bjarni> Japan is building a maglev line from Tokyo to Nagoya. I think they will make kind of like a bridge over roads in order to make them reach central stations inside those cities 00:03:38 <Ammler> you will still use the grf inside the tar, like you have unpacked it. 00:04:11 <Bjarni> basically they are expanding their test line so the speed of the test line is the speed of that new line 00:04:20 <Bjarni> they reached 588 km/h so far 00:04:30 <Bjarni> or was it 587? 00:04:44 <glx> grfs in tar works exactly like grfs outside tar 00:05:02 <SHADOW-XIII> glx so they will appear as separate files ? 00:05:05 <glx> yes 00:05:41 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.223.196] has quit [Quit: tiuQ] 00:05:51 <Booth> could you use a .rsr? 00:05:55 <Booth> *rar 00:06:01 <glx> no 00:06:05 <Ammler> :-) 00:06:10 <glx> openttd supports only uncompressed tar 00:06:16 <SmatZ> the idea is to have only 1 file handle for multiple files 00:06:22 <SmatZ> not to compress data 00:06:33 <glx> we could use gzip ;) 00:06:38 <Ammler> which is kinda cool already. 00:06:48 <glx> indeed we use gzip for content download 00:06:53 <SHADOW-XIII> but grf's aren't much compressable 00:07:07 <frosch123> of course they are 00:07:09 <glx> everything is compressible 00:07:24 * KenjiE20|LT compresses glx 00:07:27 <glx> you just need to find the most efficient algorithm 00:08:05 <SmatZ> by compressing GRFs you can ~half their size 00:08:19 <SHADOW-XIII> indeed 00:08:23 <SmatZ> but they are already compressed (sprites use some kind of RLE) 00:08:26 <Booth> you use a .ar file then 00:08:31 <SHADOW-XIII> my data dir is like 70mb 00:08:31 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 00:08:44 <SHADOW-XIII> yay, win 7 rc today officialy 00:09:02 <SmatZ> again RC of another windows? :) 00:09:10 <Booth> why why do want a broken OS rc? 00:09:20 <SHADOW-XIII> from february am sitting on beta 1 of win 7 00:09:24 <Booth> wait until SP1 is released 00:09:31 <Booth> i have beta one 00:09:34 <Booth> founf it rubish 00:09:44 <Booth> was like vitsa 00:09:50 <Booth> but crash more often 00:09:52 <SHADOW-XIII> had problem with some drivers at the beginning but now it's ok 00:10:00 <SmatZ> hehe, yeah, I always wait for at least SP1 ;) 00:10:19 <Booth> wow SmatZ agrees with me for once 00:10:26 <Ammler> found a small glitch for non non-stop orders 00:10:35 <Booth> what? 00:11:05 <Ammler> I have default stop at far end, but trains stop on the middle 00:11:28 <SmatZ> hmhm it's not in their orders, right? 00:11:49 <Ammler> well, best would be you could define that anyway 00:11:59 <SHADOW-XIII> oh btw, what [far end] means ? 00:12:01 <Ammler> SmatZ: no, it is a station between 00:12:10 <SHADOW-XIII> and how to change it ? 00:12:16 <glx> click on it 00:12:20 <Booth> far end mean 00:12:24 <Booth> far end of station 00:12:27 <frosch123> in the middle? why that? i would have expected far end, as that one is 0 00:12:28 <Booth> 3 option exist 00:12:29 <SHADOW-XIII> lol 00:12:42 <glx> far end is like TTD 00:12:43 <Booth> middle far end, near end 00:12:59 <Ammler> well, far end should it be, if you can't configure it, imo. 00:12:59 <frosch123> hmm, no, near end is 0 00:13:09 <TinoDidriksen> Mmm, far pointers and near pointers... 00:13:16 <SHADOW-XIII> you know, there could 1 small thing be added. When I make "Transfer" order it could automatically add "and leave empty" instead "and take cargo" .... 00:13:25 <SmatZ> TinoDidriksen: and middle pointers :-p 00:14:24 <Ammler> but really cool would be, if you could define in the orders what to do on the stations between, like transfer and such 00:14:48 <SHADOW-XIII> and another idea: description panels are getting bigger to fit all description (like in GRF window) .... why not make it smaller and scrollable ? 00:15:03 <Ammler> or "no unloading" 00:15:08 <SHADOW-XIII> on smaller screens it would save a lot of precious space 00:15:08 <Booth> scroll bar = nasty 00:15:15 <SmatZ> sf.net has new look :) 00:15:19 <Booth> get a bigger screen 00:15:25 <Ammler> again? 00:15:28 <SmatZ> changed from green to black... 00:16:20 <SHADOW-XIII> Booth : yeah, I should carry laptop in my pocket all the time 00:17:22 <Booth> sf is grey for me 00:17:50 <frosch123> "Default to the middle of the station for stations stops that are not in the order list like intermediate stations when non-stop is disabled" <- Ammler: it is intentional behaviour :) 00:18:20 <Ammler> :-o 00:18:49 * Bjarni gives up enhancing the picture 00:19:05 <Ammler> hmm, I heard sometime here, you don't change TTD behaviour without switch. 00:19:11 <Bjarni> it's too dark to begin with so I have nothing to work with when I increase brightness and stuff 00:19:25 <Bjarni> crappy old camera :( 00:20:01 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D5D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:22:12 <Ammler> frosch123: default means, it is changeable? 00:22:29 <Ammler> how? 00:22:58 <frosch123> if you make the train longer than the platform, it will stop at the far end. despite of that you cannot influence that 00:23:18 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 90 seconds.] 00:23:25 <frosch123> train_cmd.cpp::GetTrainStopLocation() line 375 00:24:06 <Ammler> stop_location is 2 00:24:41 <frosch123> however, as there is no way to specify what to do at intermediate stations, imo middle is the best choice 00:25:03 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 00:27:20 <Ammler> or using that setting? 00:27:47 <frosch123> that is a clientside setting :) 00:28:53 <Ammler> best solution is defining what to do in the intermediate stations. 00:30:16 <Ammler> or having it like it was to keep compatibility. 00:30:17 <frosch123> if you are volunteering for a patch you can also try to allow setting a timetabled waiting time for intermediate stations :p 00:31:13 <frosch123> hmm, night 00:31:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fefd5.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31:28 *** mizipzor [mizipzor@titan.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 00:31:41 <Ammler> !s/n/r/ ;-) 00:32:21 <Booth> ammler no idleing 00:34:55 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35:56 <Booth> any how i am off to bed now nn 01:03:54 <SHADOW-XIII> unfortunately putting GRFs in TAR does not fix the problem 01:04:10 <SHADOW-XIII> it still gives same error 01:05:34 <SHADOW-XIII> what about OBG files ? can they be TARred ? 01:05:38 <SHADOW-XIII> and sample.cat ? 01:05:47 <SHADOW-XIII> opntitle.dat ? 01:10:37 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:42:24 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 02:09:18 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-187-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 02:36:06 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b8ad:32d9:87c2:7f6c] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:45:26 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-129-82-215.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:54:37 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.147.8.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:42 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:28 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:29:36 *** racetrack [~racetrack@pyro.its.monash.edu.au] has joined #openttd 03:38:41 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:36 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:12:42 *** [1]Booth [~Booth@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 04:17:41 *** Booth [~Booth@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:17:41 *** [1]Booth is now known as Booth 04:32:43 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:44:58 *** `Fuco``OFF [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 04:45:49 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:49:38 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:54:00 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 04:57:15 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:19:08 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:20:57 *** racetrack [~racetrack@pyro.its.monash.edu.au] has quit [Quit: no. just, no.] 05:33:02 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:37:08 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 05:44:07 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 06:09:03 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:10:36 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:26:48 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Quit: ein Shutdown] 06:35:03 <petern> morning 06:40:05 <Xaroth> lo 06:42:24 <planetmaker> good morning 06:46:00 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:04:34 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 07:04:50 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [] 07:10:52 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 07:15:05 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 07:15:08 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 07:29:10 <dihedral> morning 07:34:01 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:37:49 <Alberth> good morning 07:37:56 * dihedral waves 07:38:04 * petern particles 07:38:12 <petern> oh shit 07:38:18 <petern> need to get dressed :s 07:42:45 <Sol2> guten morgen 07:43:14 <dihedral> petern: dont wanna know if you run around naked all day long 07:43:56 <petern> dressing gown, duh 07:45:25 <dihedral> you run around in a dressing gown?? oh my word 07:47:06 <petern> ... 07:47:09 <petern> when i get up, yeah 07:49:42 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-18.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 07:50:26 <dihedral> i dont have the time in the morning to slouch around in a dressing gown 07:50:33 <dihedral> and i dont feel female enough for that either 08:07:45 <dihedral> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1363 <- long time closed ^^ 08:08:37 <dihedral> i.e. since r15242 08:08:51 <petern> what is "dont" ? 08:09:24 <dihedral> don't 08:18:54 <petern> well, dressing gowns are not a female exclusive item, so... you can feel not female enough if you like. 08:21:01 <dihedral> :-P 08:21:17 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 08:35:39 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a "dressing gown"? 08:35:59 <planetmaker> Morgenmantel 08:36:18 <Eddi|zuHause> mhm... 08:36:27 <Eddi|zuHause> what does that have to do with "female"? 08:36:34 <planetmaker> :D 08:36:55 <planetmaker> If you don't know you should explore your female part of yourself more closely :P 08:37:09 <dihedral> .... *cough* 08:37:11 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiy113.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 08:37:50 <dihedral> i don't know any guys who wear such a 'thing' 08:37:58 <dihedral> i know a bunch of women who do :-P 08:37:58 <Eddi|zuHause> no really, i don't understand it 08:38:03 <dihedral> old women :-P 08:38:17 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause: would you wear one? 08:38:18 <planetmaker> in japan though, wearing a Kimono is quite common. 08:38:22 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:38:24 <planetmaker> no. Jukata. 08:38:32 <dihedral> we are not in japan :-P 08:38:34 <planetmaker> :) 08:38:49 <petern> http://www.quilt.co.uk/i/art/Dressing-gownFront.jpg 08:38:51 * dihedral removes the japan grf from planetmaker :-P 08:38:55 <petern> ^ he doesn't look girly 08:39:22 <petern> http://manolomen.com/images/Tennessee%20Williams%20in%20robe.jpg 08:39:34 <petern> ^ he does a bit though, with that cigarette holder :p 08:39:55 <planetmaker> hehe @ dihedral :) 08:41:05 *** Gekz [~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:41:30 <dihedral> he looks like "i'll wear this with pride, because my daughters made this for me" 08:41:41 *** Gekz [~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause> my observation is that not "i have to explore my female part" but rather "dihedral is in fear of his female part" 08:43:18 <Eddi|zuHause> as in "getroffene Hunde bellen" 08:43:23 <dihedral> nonono - you aint gonna turn this round against me, just because petern feels feminine :-P 08:43:43 <dihedral> lol 08:44:00 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa637.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:44:20 <dihedral> i was more trying to pick on petern 08:44:21 * petern doesn't feel feminine by wearing a dressing gown in the morning 08:44:30 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 08:44:37 <petern> now, when i put on the panties and bra... 08:45:01 <petern> (which i don't, as that was a joke, heh) 08:45:03 <dihedral> ... 08:45:07 <Noldo> what's wrong with feeling feminine anyway? 08:45:11 <Eddi|zuHause> like people who shout out the loudest against gay people are afraid of telling people they are gay themselves 08:45:20 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, what do you expect from a bible follower? 08:45:34 <dihedral> :-D 08:45:35 <dihedral> hehe 08:46:10 *** dihedral is now known as bibledih 08:46:14 <bibledih> :-D 08:46:14 <planetmaker> <Noldo> what's wrong with feeling feminine anyway? <-- certainly nothing. Half the human race would have a problem otherwise :) 08:46:20 *** bibledih is now known as dihedral 08:46:34 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227018022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:46:46 <dihedral> my cousin felt a bit too feminine 08:46:53 <Eddi|zuHause> well, half of the human race has a problem with feeling feminine 08:46:58 <Eddi|zuHause> and the other half are... 08:47:01 <petern> # flying killer cobs from the planet bob 08:49:10 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=786959#p786959 <- LOL 08:49:14 *** Sapakara [~chatzilla@84-245-33-124.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 08:49:14 <fonsinchen> I will feel feminine as long and as much as I want :) 08:50:41 <dihedral> hehe - i always assumed you were some kind of 'bunny' :-D 08:57:23 <petern> ? 08:58:27 <TrueBrain> good morning 08:58:47 <planetmaker> morning TrueBrain 09:21:08 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm144.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:25:05 <dihedral> patch from yorick ^^, that makes the thread even better :-D 09:25:42 <Alberth> :) 09:26:24 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: no, nobody understood the joke... 09:26:41 <Alberth> TrueBrain: wouldn't it be useful to mention 'updating/extending the wiki' at http://www.openttd.org/en/development 09:27:08 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause: looks like Alberth knows what i am talking about 09:27:25 <Alberth> at least I think I know ;) 09:27:49 <TrueBrain> Alberth: well, it is not really development I guess 09:28:00 <TrueBrain> but if you have a piece of text for there, I can put it on 09:30:16 <Alberth> There are many users that cannot code, we may want to point them to things they can do. Translation is one, but wiki is another. 09:30:29 <Alberth> I agree however that 'development' may not be the right place. 09:31:21 <dihedral> TrueBrain: how's wt3 coming along? 09:32:00 <dihedral> Alberth: rename 'development' to 'contribute' ? 09:32:03 <TrueBrain> Alberth: maybe we can just rename the section .. but if you can write me a piece of text which should go under the subheader 'wiki', that would be useful; maybe talk it over with the other devs ;) 09:33:03 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227018022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:34:46 <planetmaker> I think the heading "development" is a good choice. But a indication what all those people who say "I'd like to help, but cannot code" could do is probably a good choice :) 09:35:11 <TrueBrain> "How to Contribute" you see a lot 09:35:16 <TrueBrain> but is a bit too long :p 09:35:19 <Noldo> testing maybe? 09:35:23 <Alberth> I was thinking about 'helping out' 09:35:28 <TrueBrain> sounds perfect 09:35:42 <Alberth> I like contribute too 09:36:22 <planetmaker> hm... helping out is bad wording, I think. It's like "if you want to do a tedious chore, we got some..." 09:36:38 <planetmaker> Contributing is then the far superior choice. It can be something more valuable :) 09:36:46 <planetmaker> IF it has to be changed, that is. 09:36:50 <TrueBrain> Contribute is more like: look at us, being all official 09:37:00 <TrueBrain> Helping out is more like: we are normal people and we can do with a bit of help 09:37:14 <planetmaker> well, also, but not only. 09:37:26 <TrueBrain> but okay, 'Contribute' alone is a bit silly in a header 09:37:27 <planetmaker> helping out is filling in for something which should be there but is missing 09:37:29 <TrueBrain> the rest is too long ;) 09:38:00 <planetmaker> like giving a hand in case of emergency. 09:39:57 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227018022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:39:57 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 09:40:47 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-16-69.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:43:28 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-18.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c33c0.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 09:48:09 <dihedral> get involved :-P 09:48:24 <TrueBrain> it also tells you how to report bugs 09:49:07 <dihedral> i personally don't find 'contribute' to be such a 'formal' word 09:49:44 <dihedral> and the menu is full of one word items 09:53:13 <dihedral> get involved 09:53:18 <dihedral> also comes to mine 09:54:19 <petern> oh right, my forum name's changed 09:54:20 <petern> hee 09:54:57 <dihedral> to what? 09:55:19 <dihedral> it's petern ^^ 10:03:20 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you did request that :p 10:03:32 <petern> i did 10:03:37 <petern> i expected to have to login again 10:03:48 <petern> but i didn't need to, heh 10:07:00 <dihedral> hehe 10:08:28 <Alberth> TrueBrain (and others) http://paste.openttd.org/182542 a few lines inviting people to extend docs 10:17:42 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@wnn72112.wireless.dtu.dk] has joined #openttd 10:29:14 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:34:58 <dihedral> Alberth: "Use of the forum search button to find the answer to your question." <- or the wiki's search function ^^ 10:35:43 <Alberth> isn't that the trick to get high ratings then? 10:37:26 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has joined #openttd 10:38:00 <dihedral> yes, but there is also info in the wiki - that's what i meant ^^ 10:40:57 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:43:38 *** Booth [~Booth@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 10:44:20 <Alberth> fixed 10:49:58 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 10:50:04 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=786981#p786981 <- Eddi|zuHause nice one :-D 10:51:22 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@wnn72112.wireless.dtu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:55:07 <thingwath> it would be great if people were a little more... reasonable when choosing their usernames 10:55:29 <SmatZ> hehe 10:56:45 *** `Fuco``OFF [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 10:59:24 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.138.194] has joined #openttd 11:00:31 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.7.83.9] has joined #openttd 11:02:10 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 11:17:27 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:10 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:21:00 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@wnn72112.wireless.dtu.dk] has joined #openttd 11:22:51 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Gaga.] 11:24:48 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has joined #openttd 11:26:19 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@wnn72112.wireless.dtu.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26:42 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@wnn72112.wireless.dtu.dk] has joined #openttd 11:27:09 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: failed to press the right button? 11:27:57 <Eddi|zuHause> "reply" vs. "new topic"? 11:30:37 <dihedral> yep - just noticed and corrected :-P 11:30:39 <dihedral> thanks 11:32:08 <petern> fa 11:32:11 <petern> il 11:32:14 *** Hirundo_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:32:20 <dihedral> lol 11:32:38 <petern> wh 11:32:38 <petern> at 11:33:10 <dihedral> yo 11:33:11 <dihedral> ur 11:33:12 <dihedral> re 11:33:13 <dihedral> pl 11:33:17 <dihedral> y! 11:33:48 <petern> ok 11:33:49 <petern> ay 11:34:37 * dihedral hu 11:34:39 * dihedral gs 11:34:41 * dihedral pe 11:34:44 * dihedral te 11:34:46 * dihedral rn 11:35:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i wanted to reply, but that would probably have prevented you from changing anything :p 11:36:38 <Ammler> FS down? 11:36:54 <TrueBrain> no 11:37:02 <planetmaker> nope 11:37:16 <Ammler> hmm 11:37:25 * TrueBrain gniffels in silent 11:38:19 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-217.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:38:21 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:6945:53c8:2a8b:dc8c] has joined #openttd 11:38:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:38:46 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:38:55 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, :-P thanks 11:38:57 <Ammler> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2883 <-- now I forgot to alter the version 11:39:04 <Ammler> it is only trunk issue 11:39:33 <dihedral> add it in a comment :-P 11:39:58 <dihedral> + the name of the section 11:40:11 <dihedral> just 'new section' is not as specific ;-) 11:42:17 <Ammler> he, thanks Rubidium 11:42:56 <Ammler> dihedral: read the thread first :P 11:43:12 <Ammler> at least the title 11:43:29 <Ammler> well, I was kinda lazy the 2nd time :-) 11:45:03 <Eddi|zuHause> @commit 7319 11:45:03 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Commit by peter1138 :: r7319 trunk/newgrf_text.c (2006-12-01 12:57:31 UTC) 11:45:04 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: -Fix (r7182): (NewGRF) Add space for terminator when translating TTDPatch strings (thanks eddi) 11:46:10 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiy113.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 11:46:14 <dihedral> terminator has space in strings? 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NEXT EPISODE!] 12:05:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F368.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:10:34 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 12:11:43 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 12:13:33 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:16:11 <TrueBrain> k .. let's download Windows 7 RC1 :p 12:16:19 <TrueBrain> 5 MiB/s .. acceptable :) 12:16:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i heard that it will repeatedly shut down until you buy the real version 12:17:14 <planetmaker> only in August. (Or was it July?) 12:19:10 <Eddi|zuHause> "Ab M?rz 2010 wird sich der RC automatisch alle zwei Stunden selbst herunterfahren, um den Nutzer so zum Umstieg auf die Verkaufsversion von Windows 7 zu bewegen." 12:19:58 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause: huh? 12:20:01 <planetmaker> oh well. 12:20:04 <Gekz> quick translaet 12:20:18 <Gekz> it will turn off every 2 hours? 12:20:20 <planetmaker> buy windows or say bye to a running comp 12:20:34 <Gekz> after march 2010 12:20:37 <glx> TrueBrain: 291 KB/s here :) 12:20:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Gekz: yes 12:20:44 <Eddi|zuHause> starting march 2010 12:20:46 <Gekz> ok 12:20:51 <Gekz> my german isnt as bad as I though 12:20:52 <Gekz> t 12:20:53 <Gekz> :D 12:21:22 <planetmaker> :) 12:21:23 <glx> and it will start to warn 2 weeks before 12:22:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i wonder if there will be a crack for that ;) 12:22:18 <glx> well it's a RC 12:23:01 *** qkr [plaiho@miranda.dc.turkuamk.fi] has joined #openttd 12:23:01 <TrueBrain> you get it for free .. so some limit is acceptable I guess 12:23:38 <TrueBrain> @calc 512 - 335 12:23:38 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 177 12:23:45 <qkr> how do I transport new cargo types found on ECS, they don't all appear on train cars/refit 12:23:51 <glx> and it's usable for almost 1 year, that's not that bad 12:24:20 <glx> qkr: use a vehicle set 12:24:35 <qkr> like a newgrf trainset? 12:24:38 <Eddi|zuHause> qkr: search for "old wagons new cargos" 12:24:59 <Eddi|zuHause> should be in the online content download 12:25:04 <Ammler> how do I check if the server is virtual? 12:25:18 <frosch123> try to touch it 12:25:24 <Ammler> :P 12:25:35 <Eddi|zuHause> try to make it beep ;) 12:25:54 <qkr> I found it, thanks 12:26:05 <glx> check /proc/cpuinfo (weird values in it for my VM) 12:26:28 <TrueBrain> wonder why the fuck you don't know that already 12:26:53 <Ammler> TrueBrain: it isn't my server, we just are user, I would say, it isn't but not 100% sure. 12:27:03 <Eddi|zuHause> mail root@localhost ;) 12:27:09 <TrueBrain> then why do you care at all? :p 12:27:26 <Ammler> Rubi asked :-) 12:28:34 <TrueBrain> weird 12:29:30 <Ammler> we had a strange glitch with advertising on our server. 12:29:46 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wired-191.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:30:03 <TrueBrain> had, past tense ... should we care? :p 12:30:30 <Eddi|zuHause> well, a "workaround" is not a "bug fix" 12:30:45 <TrueBrain> he doesn't mention a workaround :p 12:31:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it's all he talks about for a week already 12:31:11 <TrueBrain> oh, I never pay much attention to him :p 12:34:17 <TrueBrain> 300 mbit/sec ... I love my internal network :) 12:34:36 <glx> that's not a lot :) 12:35:15 <glx> (0.3 bit/s) ;) 12:35:40 <planetmaker> hahaha :) 12:36:01 <Eddi|zuHause> well, looks like the typical bandwidth for a BCI ;) 12:36:13 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: I can't code, so I have to work around :P 12:36:45 <glx> what's the exact problem? 12:38:16 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 12:39:53 <Ammler> glx: well, I assumed, Eddi|zuHause commented my bugreports. 12:40:19 <TrueBrain> okay .... this is stupid: 'scp' in linux: 300 mbit/sec. winscp in windows: 20 mbit/sec 12:40:24 <TrueBrain> same computers, same network 12:40:56 <glx> disk access 12:40:59 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: there's also pscp for windows (part of putty) 12:41:02 <TrueBrain> glx: same computers 12:41:19 <glx> still, windows is slower for disk access 12:41:25 <TrueBrain> 15 times?! 12:41:40 <glx> just compare openttd compile time :) 12:42:29 <glx> or file copy/move 12:53:45 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 12:56:59 <glx> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/3026 <-- started in a VM with "./openttd -D -x -c test.cfg" 12:57:04 <glx> advertise works 12:57:22 <glx> (IPv4 failed because the router) 13:01:43 <Ammler> well, I just reported my experience with, the first time I made the issue, I set severity to very low. 13:01:50 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... anyone tried to compile nforenum? i get "mapescapes.h:25:27: warning: boost/bimap.hpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden" 13:02:29 <petern> i don't 13:02:40 <Eddi|zuHause> (translates to: "file not found") 13:03:09 <DaleStan> What version of boost do you have installed? bimap was added in 0.35.0. 13:03:22 <Eddi|zuHause> that would explain things 13:03:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Version: 1.34.1-42.4 13:03:41 <glx> hmm I don't have perl reinstalled 13:04:18 <Eddi|zuHause> should be documented somewhere: "needs boost 1.35" 13:05:27 <Eddi|zuHause> # zypper install boost1_35-devel <- stuff is so easy in linux... 13:06:53 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-59-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:06:59 <Eddi|zuHause> [40% 29.5 K/s] <- if only my network was faster 13:08:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:18 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wired-191.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 13:27:04 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:30:35 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 13:32:56 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33:18 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 13:35:32 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:30 <Belugas> here we go again... it's the Circus of the Shadows... 13:37:46 <glx> DaleStan: make clean should remove *.d too I think 13:38:19 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 13:40:12 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@wnn72112.wireless.dtu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:02 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 13:42:47 <petern> # glockenspiel 13:43:04 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:43:22 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:44 <Eddi|zuHause> we don't need to know if you "play" with your "bells" :p 13:44:17 <petern> # MANDOLIN! 13:46:02 <Belugas> #And Finally 13:46:18 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 13:46:27 <Belugas> #Tubular Bells 13:52:27 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:27 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.7.83.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:54:00 <Belugas> Boooh! 13:54:01 <Belugas> http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/heard/2773/apple-makes-nin-hurt/ 13:54:08 <Belugas> bastards! 13:54:10 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:42 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 13:55:30 <petern> hah 13:55:36 <petern> iphones suck anyway 13:56:01 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:32 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 13:57:03 <Belugas> itoys, as one of my friends nicknamed them 13:59:23 <planetmaker> tubular bells! yay :) 14:03:45 <petern> why 14:03:46 <petern> why why why 14:06:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember we had no tubular bells, so instead i had to play a subcontra-G on my Tuba 14:08:15 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 14:08:56 *** SHADOW-XIII was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [it will go away soon, so better kill it now] 14:09:48 <TrueBrain> hmm .. Windows 7 is nice :s 14:10:36 <Belugas> ... 14:10:41 <Belugas> i can't believe my eyes... 14:10:50 <Belugas> is it really you, TrueBrain? 14:10:56 <TrueBrain> yeah ... I am suprised myself :p 14:10:59 <dihedral> TrueBrain, ??? 14:11:03 <dihedral> call the doc someone! 14:11:08 <dihedral> he's going nuts 14:12:25 <TrueBrain> it all works ... smooth ... beautiful .... in a 'followble' fashion 14:12:31 <TrueBrain> of course the setup was a piece of crap, but that will never change 14:13:11 <TrueBrain> all my drivers installed (which is rare :p) 14:13:39 <glx> still downloading :) 14:14:11 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 14:14:15 <Gekz> BUT 14:14:19 <Gekz> it's still Windows at the core 14:14:23 <Gekz> and still fucking slow over time 14:14:24 <Gekz> :/ 14:14:30 <TrueBrain> overgeneralized 14:14:40 <Gekz> it's the first positive overhaul of Windows so far though 14:14:48 <Gekz> TrueBrain: it's still a piece of shit userland 14:14:52 <Gekz> 15GB of what? 14:14:53 <Gekz> notepad? 14:15:04 <TrueBrain> default install is much smaller than Vista 14:15:08 <TrueBrain> that is a hurray on its own :) 14:15:13 <Gekz> I dont count Vista 14:15:14 <Gekz> ever 14:15:20 <Gekz> I compare XP to 7 14:15:31 <TrueBrain> and ... I could update a lot of my drivers without rebooting :) In fact ... it could restart my video driver without rebooting :) 14:15:36 <TrueBrain> that even X fails to do :p 14:15:38 <glx> not really comparable (different kernel, ...) 14:15:51 <Gekz> glx: upgraded kernel. 14:16:01 <Gekz> it's just a stripped down NT kernel 14:16:13 <TrueBrain> again: overgeneralized statement 14:16:17 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:21 <Gekz> piss off 14:16:23 <Gekz> lol 14:16:29 <TrueBrain> @kban Gekz 600 wrong person to tell to piss off 14:16:30 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] by DorpsGek 14:16:30 *** Gekz was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [wrong person to tell to piss off] 14:16:59 <TrueBrain> okay ... now it is a perm ban 14:17:06 <TrueBrain> @mode -b *!~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au 14:17:08 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] by DorpsGek 14:17:08 <TrueBrain> @mode +b *!~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au 14:17:11 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] by DorpsGek 14:17:22 <Aali> some older nvidia drivers could be "hotswapped" on XP 14:17:34 <Ammler> dos, nice, w95, crap, w98, nice, milenium, crap, xp, nice, vista crap so yes, w7 should be ok :-) 14:17:38 <Aali> but it never really worked I guess, since they pulled it from later versiond 14:17:41 <Aali> *versions 14:17:51 <TrueBrain> Ammler: hehe, you are about right with that, yes ;) 14:18:09 <glx> Aali: and it's recommended to uninstall before upgrade :) 14:18:13 <Ammler> well, w2k is missing 14:18:20 <Ammler> was nice too. 14:18:31 <glx> w2k was not for 'normal' users 14:18:32 <TrueBrain> win2003 too 14:18:34 <TrueBrain> win2008 too 14:18:58 <TrueBrain> but Windows 7 just works .... 14:19:01 <Ammler> ok, it matches 14:19:05 <TrueBrain> which for sure is a first in any Windows version :p 14:19:08 <Aali> I'm not sure why you would call win98 nice.. 14:19:18 <Aali> sure, it was better than 95, but still horrible 14:19:21 <Ammler> w7 is also a home edition, I assume? 14:19:29 <glx> more stable than ME 14:19:34 <TrueBrain> the RC is the Ultimate version 14:20:02 <Ammler> 98 was nice, if you had toubles, just reinstall and it worked again 14:20:22 <TrueBrain> the 64bit version of Win7 is only silly again .. Program Files and Program Files (x86) 14:20:25 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 14:20:42 <glx> I'm downloading the 64bit version :) 14:21:15 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 14:21:33 *** SHADOW-XIII was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [if you're against me kicking, just let me know...] 14:21:46 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas 14:21:56 <Belugas> :) 14:22:00 <TrueBrain> hmm .. Win7 can't playback mkv files :p 14:22:12 <glx> install vlc :) 14:22:29 * TrueBrain dislikes vlc very much 14:22:38 <TrueBrain> it has so many GUI flaws 14:22:41 <Ammler> does w7 have something like a sotware managemnet compared to apt-get? 14:22:52 <glx> Ammler: it's windows 14:22:56 <TrueBrain> Ammler: doubtful ... it is microsoft after all :p 14:22:57 <glx> don't ask too much 14:23:04 <TrueBrain> although you can install those widgets from the web 14:26:17 <Ammler> well, that is one of the only downside left, if they have now proper acl and no rebooting anymore. 14:26:32 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] by DorpsGek 14:26:40 <TrueBrain> @mode +b *!~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au 14:26:42 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] by DorpsGek 14:26:42 <TrueBrain> stupid DorpsGek 14:26:51 <TrueBrain> now never ever remove that ban okay, DorpsGek? Thank you ... 14:27:11 <Ammler> chanserv does remove them, afaik 14:27:34 <TrueBrain> seen own current banlist, I don't think so :) 14:28:20 <Ammler> maybe "they" rised the timeout 14:31:49 <Eddi|zuHause> wow... where did that banlist come from... 14:33:21 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 14:34:36 <TrueBrain> cool, mkv is kind of supported .. you only need the splitter thingy :p 14:37:05 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:38:22 <Eddi|zuHause> well, mkv is only a container, you can put any format within it (typically H.264 video) 14:38:33 <Eddi|zuHause> so what you are telling is that H.264 is supported 14:39:32 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:41:05 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41:41 <TrueBrain> ghehe, sometimes NoMachine doesn't update ... that is not nice :p 14:43:29 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:55 *** Tefad__ [~tefad@c-75-75-1-9.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:44:34 *** Tefad_ [~tefad@c-75-75-1-9.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45:37 <petern> moo 14:45:52 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B807CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:45:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:46:12 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:51:58 <Belugas> shit... i missed one :( 14:52:39 <TrueBrain> lol ... don't know if it is normal, but you need to hit ` twice in OpenTTD to get the console 14:53:16 <glx> is it a dead key ? 14:53:34 <TrueBrain> it doens't move on its own :p (sorry, what is a dead key?) 14:53:48 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 14:53:50 <TrueBrain> if you mean: `e becomes an other e, then yes 14:54:00 <TrueBrain> (US International keyboard) 14:54:01 <glx> it's a dead key :) 14:54:12 <TrueBrain> but didn't OpenTTD handle that nicely? :) 14:54:29 <glx> it handles it as windows 14:54:37 <TrueBrain> sucks :p 14:55:18 <glx> but it used to be worse :) 14:55:43 <glx> for some previous openttd version opening the console was not possible 14:55:57 <TrueBrain> nasty 14:56:34 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejg177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 15:01:16 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:49 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 15:03:59 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0863f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:05:27 <petern> except from the menu 15:09:10 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:42 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 15:19:11 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=787044#p787044 <--- you angered someone, Belugas :) 15:19:39 <planetmaker> but, in this case, I think he has a point :) At least for RVs. 15:19:59 <Belugas> ever? 15:20:03 <Belugas> baaa... 15:20:03 <petern> great 15:20:03 <planetmaker> yup 15:20:58 <planetmaker> I don't think he's stupid. I think he even searches before he asks :) 15:20:59 <Belugas> ho... yeah... see: a train takes a long time to accelerate. a truck no matter how heavily loaded takes an awfully lot shorter time. So.. with game's perspective, i really wonder how it can be displayed... 15:21:16 <planetmaker> on slopes :) 15:21:24 <Belugas> duh... 15:21:34 <planetmaker> on corners 15:21:59 <petern> he seems to think 'realistic acceleration' for aircraft means better turning... 15:22:29 <petern> and, heh, i have 'realistic acceleration' code for RVs, but i haven't put it in because i didn't want to call it realistic :p 15:22:55 <Noldo> :D 15:23:26 <planetmaker> :D 15:23:47 * planetmaker hands petern an "un" for further usage 15:24:19 <Forked> petern: 'alternative acceleration' ? 15:24:25 <planetmaker> it can be swapped for "traditional" for no fee :) 15:24:27 <Forked> (people behind the RV pushing) 15:24:34 <planetmaker> haha :) 15:24:42 <Eddi|zuHause> "acceleration model: {simple, complex}" 15:24:58 <Forked> old school - new kids on the block 15:27:21 <planetmaker> or {simple, advanced} 15:27:33 <Eddi|zuHause> ships have insanely slow acceleration, which is one of the reasons why they are not travelling fast, it would be impossible to react on obstacles at high speeds 15:28:10 <glx> only if obstacle is visible 10km before :) 15:28:25 <petern> i cou 15:29:13 <planetmaker> well. It's easy to maneuver out of a small obstacle, e.g. to change course by a bit. 15:29:43 <glx> if there is enough time to do it yes 15:29:55 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but you also need to have a way to navigate two ships around each other 15:37:49 <SHADOW-XIII> would it be possible to see details of scenario in scenario picker window in ottd ? like size of he map and climate ? 15:38:00 <TrueBrain> that would be possible, yes 15:38:31 <SHADOW-XIII> would save lot of crashing in PSP version :) so I will know how big map is before trying to load it (and crash) due to lack of ram 15:39:01 <TrueBrain> the creator of the PSP version could also tell you before opening 15:39:13 <TrueBrain> and make that it goes to main menu in a graceful matter 15:41:24 <Eddi|zuHause> PS: the word "realistic" currently appears in two places, the acceleration setting for trains, and the setting for catchment areas 15:41:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably inappropriate in both 15:43:07 <petern> yes 15:44:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i am very sure we had a discussion about catchment areas, but i do not remember the context... might have been the german translation 15:44:24 <petern> variable 15:44:41 <planetmaker> I think we had that in the German translation thread, yes 15:44:53 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:45:05 <planetmaker> I think it might be translated as "variabel" - variable :) 15:46:02 <frosch123> I think that was discussed in multiple places for multiple times :p 15:46:15 <TrueBrain> is that ... possible?! :p 15:48:08 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 15:48:28 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:58 <SHADOW-XIII> TrueBrain : probably yes, right now it crashes because ottd cannot allocate enough memoery 15:51:28 <TrueBrain> SHADOW-XIII: I really think giving you the info to see yourself if it would crash or not is not the right approach for this problem :) Although having that info is just a nice thing in general :) 15:51:59 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:52:10 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=39481&p=731543#p731543 <- it was here 15:52:19 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:19 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm144.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:56:56 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 15:59:32 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 16:02:36 *** SHADOW-XV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 16:05:02 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:36 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0863f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: brb] 16:06:35 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 16:07:41 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:09:12 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227018022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:11:49 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-24-244.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:26 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-24-244.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227018022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:27 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:20:47 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has left #openttd [] 16:23:28 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 16:23:32 <SHADOW-XIII> glx: what else can I tar ? 16:23:47 <SHADOW-XIII> i tarred all grf files but still need to tar more files 16:23:56 <SHADOW-XIII> obg files ? opntitle.dat ? sample.cat ? 16:24:12 <glx> did you remove the grfs after putting them in tar? 16:24:16 <SHADOW-XIII> yes 16:24:30 <glx> sample.cat can go in the original files tar 16:25:09 <glx> anyway on PSP the limit is way lower 16:25:12 <Ammler> maybe it isn't a file limit, either something "hardcoded" in the openttd source. 16:25:33 *** SHADOW-XV was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [youhou!!] 16:25:55 <SHADOW-XIII> it's 10 files max I think 16:26:24 <SHADOW-XIII> glx: can I pack sample.cat + *.obg files + opntitle.dat in a tar file ? 16:26:45 <glx> dunno for obg and dat 16:27:12 <Ammler> can't you make a tar for the obg with the grfs belongs to? 16:27:22 <SHADOW-XIII> i have to check 16:27:28 <glx> obg can go in the tar 16:27:47 * glx just check opengfx tar :) 16:29:05 <SHADOW-XIII> i tar everything :P 16:29:42 <TrueBrain> with the default files (no newgrfs) you should be fine with PSP ... I believe it used up all slots in that case :p 16:29:44 <TrueBrain> (or had one left ...) 16:29:53 <TrueBrain> left time I wrote anything for PSP, we made it 'recycle' filepointers :p 16:29:54 <SHADOW-XIII> what's strange graphics files are working once, after reopning newgrf window and selecting other (but same) set of grf files it crashes ... 16:29:56 <TrueBrain> (very nasty ;)) 16:30:12 <SHADOW-XIII> looks like file handlers still opened ... odd 16:30:30 <TrueBrain> but ... is it playable on PSP? 16:30:35 <TrueBrain> I mean, the navigation has to be a bitch! 16:30:41 <SHADOW-XIII> what navigation 16:30:47 <SHADOW-XIII> joy works fine as mouse 16:30:54 <SHADOW-XIII> not as comfortable 16:31:00 <SHADOW-XIII> but playable enough 16:31:06 <TrueBrain> I think that is the understatement of the centry ... 16:31:39 <TrueBrain> QuadWord, I like that name :p 16:32:43 <Eddi|zuHause> what's that? a 64-bit-integer on 16-bit architectures? 16:33:17 <TrueBrain> yup 16:33:23 <TrueBrain> exactly right :) 16:33:33 <TrueBrain> well .. arch ... no, on a 16bit memory model 16:34:49 <petern> libgmp 16:34:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:35:40 <glx> installation started 16:36:29 <glx> oups virtual HD too small 16:37:39 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:00 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:44:13 * SHADOW-XIII is downloading Win7 RC: [===30%--------------] 16:45:16 <TrueBrain> glx: good luck 16:45:22 <TrueBrain> SHADOW-XIII: I was done in 7 minutes :p 16:45:36 <glx> download took me more than 3 hours 16:46:10 <SHADOW-XIII> I downloaded via browser that but my connection is crap so I moved that to torrent, now will be slow 16:46:38 <glx> MS provide torrent ? 16:48:07 <dihedral> pff - silly question! 16:48:12 <SHADOW-XIII> no, but it's same image 16:48:53 <SHADOW-XIII> I've got 2 keys and 30% of image from MS .. rest can come from torrent :P 16:49:03 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:49:42 <glx> I also have 2 keys :) (FF crashed) 16:50:16 <SHADOW-XIII> now got time till march :) 16:50:19 <SHADOW-XIII> now got time till march :) 16:50:52 <Eddi|zuHause> once for every key? :p 16:51:21 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... siedler 1 does not run in dosbox... 16:51:56 <SHADOW-XIII> Eddi|zuHause: it runs 16:52:00 <SHADOW-XIII> same with Settlers 2 16:52:08 <SHADOW-XIII> i know - I've been playing those on PSP 16:52:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i can set up a game, but once i start it, it crashes 16:52:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it just returns to the command prompt 16:52:51 <SHADOW-XIII> maybe game is corrupted ? 16:52:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Siedler 2 worked... 16:53:54 <Eddi|zuHause> of course the CD is not in the box... 16:54:11 <SHADOW-XIII> I even run Fallout on PSP, too bad it's unpleyable and too bad it's not F2 16:58:03 *** ecke [~ecke@pc126-130.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 17:01:12 *** ecke [~ecke@pc126-130.upce.cz] has quit [] 17:01:34 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 17:02:35 <SHADOW-XIII> on DosBox on PSP I can play: A-Train, A-Train 4 (AIV), Ascendancy, Capitalism, Constructor, Heroes of Might & Magic 2, Theme Hospital, Master of Magic, Pizza Tycoon, Prehistoryk 2, Prince of Persia, Settlers 2, SimCity 2000, Sim Farm, Supaplex 17:02:35 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... a WarCraft CD... i don't remember i ever really played that game... 17:03:06 <SHADOW-XIII> altough some are working too slow to be called "fully playable" 17:07:31 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:08:02 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.11] has joined #openttd 17:08:54 <glx> 65% 17:10:30 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 17:14:06 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 17:15:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... is there a way to control the sound volume in dosbox? 17:16:11 <planetmaker> hm... your power cable? 17:16:15 <glx> there's probably a Fx shortcut 17:16:52 <glx> but usually volume is controlled by the game 17:20:04 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:20:04 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20:06 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 17:45:32 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:45:50 <glx> lol it's not fully translated :) 17:47:08 <planetmaker> hm? 17:47:37 <glx> I got a "scanning for hardware changes" using french version 17:47:50 <planetmaker> hehe :) 17:48:20 <TrueBrain> glx: it is, after all, a RC ;) 17:48:26 <glx> true 17:48:34 <glx> now I need to fix sound :) 17:49:43 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.84.21.66] has joined #openttd 17:50:47 <glx> changing workgroup sill requires a reboot 17:55:46 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 17:55:57 *** Administrator [~chatzilla@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff81c000-247.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:56:32 *** Administrator is now known as MrGS 18:06:43 <glx> sound works \o/ 18:07:03 <frosch123> Administrator :s 18:07:44 <dihedral> "ever" around for 10 days on the forums and gets a belugas - pfft 18:07:48 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 18:07:51 <dihedral> a kid i quickly start to dislike :-P 18:08:19 <Forked> are there anyone you like on the forum? :p 18:08:20 <dihedral> frosch123, might be a 'channel administrator' :-D 18:08:32 <dihedral> Forked, yep, there are a bunch of people 18:08:40 <Forked> I was just wondering:) 18:09:25 <dihedral> belugas being one of them :-P 18:10:04 <dihedral> Alberth, Eddi, pm.......... 18:10:11 <dihedral> hmmm 18:10:14 <Ammler> at least you know, who he doesn't like, and he makes sure, you won't forget ;-) 18:10:22 <dihedral> :-D 18:10:23 <dihedral> haha 18:10:25 <dihedral> nice one :-P 18:11:19 <Ammler> hate-love 18:11:37 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:11:53 <Xaroth> dih works on an hates-all-except list :P 18:12:16 <dihedral> well - people dont start off on the 'dislike' list 18:12:41 <Ammler> sadly the foes function doesn't work as expected. 18:12:56 <TrueBrain> I wonder how that would work ...... :p 18:13:30 <dihedral> :-P 18:13:41 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 18:13:52 <TrueBrain> well .. I know: lets send invites to people: do you want to be my friend on tt-forums.net 18:13:56 <TrueBrain> and lets rename it to facebook! 18:14:55 <Alberth> that name is already taken TB 18:15:04 <TrueBrain> ttdbook? :p 18:15:33 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:49 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 18:16:08 <dihedral> ttdface 18:18:56 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 18:19:37 *** SHADOW-XIV was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [SHADOW-XIV] 18:21:41 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 18:21:59 <TrueBrain> Belugas: that was the wrong client :p 18:22:09 <TrueBrain> (just kidding :p) 18:22:16 <Belugas> ever is not a bad guy. He's just reacting the same as many when someone has the bad luck to be against his concept 18:22:45 <TrueBrain> what is this lately about new ideas and stuff? Never seen it that active :p 18:23:57 <planetmaker> I still have hope that he might actually become active in the sense that he'll set out to actually realize few of his many ideas. 18:24:23 <Belugas> TrueBrain, i like new ideas, when they do bring in new concepts 18:25:29 *** SHADOW-XIII was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [kicking the oldes one] 18:25:40 <Belugas> youhoy! I love tha! 18:25:53 <planetmaker> :D 18:26:06 <planetmaker> is it like shadow boxing? :P 18:27:46 *** Laurens [~Laurens@ip255-198-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 18:27:47 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa637.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.183.48] has joined #openttd 18:29:35 <Ammler> he, yet another vcs :-) 18:29:45 <TrueBrain> who? what? where? 18:29:53 <Ammler> bazaar 18:30:05 <planetmaker> yeah... seems like I need to get that, too :S 18:30:10 <Belugas> The Grand Bazaar! 18:30:18 <TrueBrain> who is using that/ :p 18:30:24 <Ammler> FIRS (foobar) 18:30:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:30:40 <TrueBrain> why? :p 18:30:51 <planetmaker> stupid, if you ask me... yet another vcs... :S 18:31:00 <planetmaker> just because, TrueBrain 18:31:34 <Ammler> because "Bazaar is highly recommended by the developer sitting to my left right now..." 18:31:55 <TrueBrain> so OpenTTD already has svn, git and hg ... and now people start to use bazaar too? :p 18:32:11 <Ammler> hg convert might handle it 18:32:52 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, very convenient, eh? Yes... 18:33:02 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:29 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 18:33:34 <petern> people are awkward 18:33:56 <Belugas> no kidding :) 18:34:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.182.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:10 <Ammler> hg convert rocks 18:35:40 <TrueBrain> if it works 18:35:52 <Belugas> nice : mercurial to rocks... that's the philosophical stone! 18:36:08 <Ammler> Belugas: rocks too 18:36:19 <Belugas> and ROll!@!! 18:36:37 <planetmaker> mercurial on the rocks. Cheers! 18:36:51 <planetmaker> shall I call the doctor now or just wait? ;) 18:37:18 * planetmaker has seriously low blood sugar and thus heads now home :) 18:37:21 <planetmaker> cu later guys 18:37:56 <Ammler> might be too fast, seems not that easy. 18:38:29 <planetmaker> I didn't say carcass handler ;) 18:39:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host241-236-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:39:52 <Wolf01> hello 18:41:42 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-131-53-35.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:48:16 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-140-67-233.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:23 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 18:49:06 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-131-53-35.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [Leaving] 18:49:15 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 18:49:18 <Laurens> ey 18:49:33 <Wolf01> oy 18:49:55 <SmatZ> ay 18:49:57 *** Laurens [~Laurens@ip255-198-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 18:51:01 *** SHADOW-XIII was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [SHADOW-XIII] 18:51:22 <glx> SHADOW-XIV: do something for your connection 18:51:47 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:19 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-131-53-35.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:56:00 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f050214193.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:56:22 <TrueBrain> glx: but it keeps Belugas busy :p 18:57:06 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 18:57:25 *** SHADOW-XIV was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [yeah!] 18:57:31 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 18:57:45 <welshdragon> true that 18:58:15 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:58:38 <glx> too bad firefox is 32bit 18:59:39 <TrueBrain> glx: many applications are ... 18:59:48 <SmatZ> is it? 18:59:51 <glx> ok now I have a real browser 18:59:54 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:58 <TrueBrain> even a few that comes with Windows7 :p 19:01:10 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227018022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:10 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 19:01:21 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:01:26 <glx> IE8 is 64bit :) (openttd.org detects the right version) 19:01:43 <TrueBrain> well, the useragent includes the 64bit tag, yes 19:05:25 *** MrGS [~chatzilla@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff81c000-247.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 19:06:44 <glx> my VMs are consistent for incorrect CPU speed :) 19:07:09 <glx> ubuntu64 and seven64 both says 3.7GHz 19:07:19 <glx> (for a 3800+) 19:08:08 <glx> since when sf.net requires flash? 19:08:22 <TrueBrain> does it? Even more reason to never ever visit that site again 19:08:27 <Ammler> adds 19:08:36 <TrueBrain> ads or adds? 19:08:49 <Ammler> hmm -d? 19:08:58 <Ammler> advertising 19:09:04 <TrueBrain> ads :) 19:09:09 <TrueBrain> 'ad'vertising' ;) 19:09:13 <TrueBrain> not 'add'vertising :p 19:09:39 <glx> hmm VM freezed 19:09:44 <Ammler> maybe it is like waggons 19:09:46 <TrueBrain> sounds bad glx 19:09:57 <TrueBrain> waggons? What is waggons? 19:10:09 <glx> well it's a windows after all :) 19:10:39 <TrueBrain> waggons is middle english ... 19:11:50 <Ammler> anyway, I meant ads ;-) 19:12:00 <TrueBrain> :) 19:12:20 <TrueBrain> GetJumpChild ... not the best name for a funciton I guess :p 19:12:49 <Ammler> stupid, I had to clone the bzr locally until I were able to convert to hg. 19:12:50 <Belugas> AttraperEnfantSautillant 19:13:07 <TrueBrain> Ammler: that is how 'hg convert' works 19:13:19 <Belugas> IT ROCKS!! 19:13:22 <Ammler> hehe 19:13:44 <Ammler> TrueBrain: with svn, it worked from url 19:13:57 <TrueBrain> Ammler: because SVN is centralized 19:14:06 <TrueBrain> converts from git requires a local version too 19:14:23 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 19:15:11 <dihedral> ^^ 19:15:44 <dihedral> Ammler, cute! ^^ 19:15:49 <frosch123> does hg support binary files? i thought it doesn't 19:15:57 <Aali> of course it does 19:16:20 <TrueBrain> it does; only no binary diffs 19:16:26 <TrueBrain> who needs that anyway 19:16:42 <frosch123> hmm, then I confused that :/ 19:17:01 <TrueBrain> I believe old versions didn't support it; or that is how people/their website said it 19:17:11 <TrueBrain> what was meant was the diffing, what I gathered :p 19:18:26 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 19:30:41 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa637.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 19:38:25 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:09 <Alberth> frosch123: yes it does, or openttd{dw}.grf are not binary files 19:40:40 <frosch123> :) 19:42:57 <glx> TrueBrain: already 2 updates ;) 19:44:48 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:46 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 19:46:58 <TrueBrain> glx: I had 4 ;) (3 drivers) 19:47:49 *** SHADOW-XIII was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [SHADOW-XIII] 19:48:23 <glx> I installed vmware tools to solve my drivers issue ;) 19:49:35 <glx> 1 of them is for IE8 :) 19:50:28 <glx> hmm both are for IE8 indeed 19:51:52 <TrueBrain> but, what do you think of it? 19:52:13 <glx> not bad for now 19:54:56 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 19:55:47 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 19:56:01 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejg177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 19:56:09 <planetmaker> DaleStan: I've a problem compiling nforenum. It fails errors concerning boost: /usr/local/include/boost/boost/date_time/year_month_day.hpp:17: error: template with C linkage 19:56:15 <planetmaker> any ideas? 19:56:41 <glx> clean source? 19:56:43 <SmatZ> nforenum is using boost? 19:56:49 <planetmaker> uhm... yes. 19:56:52 <planetmaker> and yes 19:56:57 <TrueBrain> the world is doomed 19:57:03 <glx> compiles fine for me 19:57:11 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 19:57:37 <SmatZ> [21:56:57] <TrueBrain> the world is doomed <== perfect reaction! 19:58:03 <TrueBrain> anyway, planetmaker, Boost is a C++ Template library 19:58:11 <TrueBrain> seen the error ... I think a C compiler wants to touch it? 19:58:33 <planetmaker> uhm... ? 19:58:50 <SmatZ> strings.cpp:370: warning: ignoring return value of 'char* fgets(char*, int, FILE*)', declared with attribute warn_unused_result 19:58:54 <SmatZ> the only warnings I get 19:58:56 <planetmaker> hm.... inproperly installed boost? 19:59:05 <TrueBrain> wrong version? 19:59:13 <planetmaker> also might be true... 19:59:22 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:22 <SmatZ> it shouldnt' be using boost at all :-x 19:59:29 <TrueBrain> system CFLAGS which are 'wrong'? 19:59:48 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: well... they're at default. It's no "no" answer, though :) 19:59:50 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: shouldn't, or doesn't? :) 20:00:06 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: apparently, somehow it uses :) 20:00:06 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: it does, if the readme along with it is right. 20:00:17 <TrueBrain> for what?! :( 20:00:28 <SmatZ> :( 20:00:48 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: probably for year_month_day.hpp ;) 20:00:55 <planetmaker> yep 20:01:03 <planetmaker> hm... I have 1.38. 20:01:07 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.84.21.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:09 <TrueBrain> and for that you need to install the complete boost library 20:01:17 <TrueBrain> reminder to myself: do not try to use nforenum .. 20:01:43 <petern> openttdcoop people, what's better, UUDD or UDUD? 20:02:11 <TrueBrain> UBBD 20:02:12 <TrueBrain> :p 20:02:19 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 20:02:34 <petern> :s 20:02:36 <TrueBrain> TTTT 20:02:51 *** SHADOW-XIII was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [SHADOW-XIII] 20:03:28 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16230 /trunk/src/network/network_chat_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Moving chat widgets enum outside window struct. 20:03:49 <SmatZ> petern: UUDD is used in most games :) there were experimets with UDUDUDUDUD and such while testing YAPP, but it wasn't very successful 20:04:09 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16231 /trunk/src/network/network_chat_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to chat window. 20:04:24 <Belugas> UDUDUDUDUD <--?? ouch... sounds tortuous 20:04:36 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:04:37 <SmatZ> also, UUDD allows shifting and further "abusing" of presignals ;) 20:04:44 <SmatZ> Belugas: yeah, it wasn't very efficient :) 20:04:55 <SmatZ> so it had to be wide 20:06:08 <SmatZ> planetmaker: what file fails to compile? 20:06:08 * Belugas believes you blindfully 20:06:21 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:21 <SmatZ> there are savegames somewhere :) 20:06:57 <planetmaker> SmatZ: last file is [CPP] pseudo.o then the error messages start 20:07:05 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0863f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 20:07:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16232 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Moving network content widgets enums outside window structs. 20:07:57 <frosch123> planetmaker: SmatZ: renum needs a quite recent version of boost 20:08:08 <frosch123> esp. since 5 days 20:08:19 <planetmaker> I have 1.38. It should be... not older than a few months 20:08:31 <SmatZ> dev-libs/boost-1.35.0-r2 :-x 20:08:36 <SmatZ> works fine 20:08:36 <planetmaker> frosch123: do you know which? 20:08:48 <planetmaker> hm... maybe I should try 1.35 :) 20:09:02 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16233 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to network content windows. 20:09:14 <frosch123> [Tue May 5 2009] [15:03:44] <DaleStan> What version of boost do you have installed? bimap was added in 0.35.0. 20:09:45 <planetmaker> he... 20:09:55 <frosch123> someone asked that already yesterday, iirc eddi or so 20:10:01 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:10:48 <planetmaker> ah, ok 20:11:02 <SmatZ> frosch123: was the error message the same? 20:11:36 <planetmaker> it's actually a loooong string of errors which follows 20:12:09 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 20:12:19 <frosch123> [Tue May 5 2009] [15:02:24] <Eddi|zuHause> hm... anyone tried to compile nforenum? i get "mapescapes.h:25:27: warning: boost/bimap.hpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden" 20:12:20 <planetmaker> funnily that function declarations of boost contradict itself... later on. 20:12:27 <planetmaker> hm. 20:12:40 <frosch123> so, no :) 20:12:45 <planetmaker> looks like something completely different 20:14:14 <planetmaker> boost is a pain :S 20:14:26 <glx> try make clean && rm *.d && make 20:14:51 <Belugas> how nice... "ttd fourms are for geeks and is s***" very amusing :) 20:15:12 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0863f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: gn8] 20:15:25 *** SHADOW-XIII was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [and the band leeps on playing] 20:15:26 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 20:15:44 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> hm... I have 1.38. <- maybe the boost version is "too new" 20:15:50 *** SHADOW-XIV was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [okok, i'll that the other one] 20:16:07 <glx> I used 1.38 too 20:16:35 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, my problem was completely different 20:16:41 <frosch123> [ebuild R ] dev-libs/boost-1.35.0-r2 USE="doc expat -debug -icu -mpi -tools" 0 kB <- also works for me 20:16:54 <Eddi|zuHause> and was solved by updating to 1.35 20:17:27 <planetmaker> hm... maybe it's then my boost. It's a pain to install it IMO... 20:17:34 <SmatZ> :( 20:17:47 <planetmaker> I'll have to go check that again, I guess :( 20:17:51 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16234 /trunk/src/network/ (network_chat_gui.cpp network_content_gui.cpp): -Codechange (r16231, r16233): Do not add test functions to trunk. 20:18:08 <TrueBrain> bad Alberth :p 20:18:09 <TrueBrain> ghehehe 20:18:37 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 20:18:38 <SmatZ> nice Alberth ;) 20:18:57 <SmatZ> SHADOW-XIII: SHADOW-XIV: please stop it :-x 20:19:27 <frosch123> or you have to pay the hours belugas keeps kicking you 20:19:29 <planetmaker> he :) 20:20:02 <SmatZ> :-D 20:20:14 <planetmaker> 70EUR / hour, 1 minute a kick --> each kick = 1,16EUR? Nice. 20:20:34 <planetmaker> and that's a bargain offer :) 20:21:00 *** SHADOW-XIII was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [SHADOW-XIII] 20:21:18 <Belugas> i'm blood... i keep one alive all the time 20:21:36 <Belugas> pay me in liquid 20:21:42 <planetmaker> hehe :) 20:21:43 <Belugas> one kick one beer 20:22:18 <planetmaker> you'd be drunken in no time... 20:22:29 <Belugas> #One Scotch, One Whisky, One BEeeer 20:22:42 <Belugas> planetmaker, i'll keep some for the boring days :) 20:22:53 <planetmaker> hehe :) 20:24:54 <Belugas> is it me or is it the first fix-my-previous commit by Alberth? 20:25:14 <Belugas> if so, you'll have a long way to beat me! 20:25:30 <Alberth> actually, it is the 2nd one :( 20:25:33 <Belugas> speaking of which, i shall start to slowly commit stuff myself :S 20:25:36 <Belugas> oh :) 20:28:33 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:59 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 20:31:05 * Belugas wonders who is that peer... might have to shout big tie at him 20:31:26 <TrueBrain> @kban SHADOW-XIII 600 please come back when your connection is more stable .. this annoys too many people ;) 20:31:27 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~Miranda@78.149.135.217] by DorpsGek 20:31:27 *** SHADOW-XIII was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [please come back when your connection is more stable .. this annoys too many people ;)] 20:31:31 <TrueBrain> solved! 20:31:56 <TrueBrain> although Belugas is now out of a job .. 20:32:17 <frosch123> there are also XV, XIV, ... 20:32:35 * Belugas cries! 20:33:17 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16235 /trunk/src/network/network_chat_gui.cpp: -Codechange (r16234): But keep the window description. 20:33:18 <Alberth> Hmm, I knew it was a bad idea to stay up and commit stuff :( 20:33:30 <TrueBrain> poor Alberth .. doing such a nice job ... 20:34:08 <SmatZ> :o(\ 20:34:36 <Belugas> don't worry, TrueBrain, i'll be back soon :) 20:36:08 <fonsinchen> Belugas: you wanted to tell me something about diagonal levelling yesterday? 20:36:29 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16236 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Make widget enums complete of various network windows, and add them as comment. 20:36:56 <Belugas> hehe now, #tycoon are the only ones who tolerate/endure/whatever Shadow's connectivity nightmare. Good test site :) 20:37:08 <planetmaker> lool 20:37:18 <Belugas> no, fonsinchen, just that (at least by me) you have not been forgotten 20:37:39 <Belugas> usually, users are very worried by elapsed time... 20:38:00 <planetmaker> what? where? time? again gone by? Oh, no! 20:38:10 <fonsinchen> :) 20:38:45 * planetmaker is very... silly today 20:39:11 <Belugas> you cannot be as silly as em! 20:39:13 <Belugas> me 20:39:18 <TrueBrain> you 20:39:19 <TrueBrain> silly? 20:39:22 <TrueBrain> since when? 20:39:24 <TrueBrain> what did I miss? 20:39:35 <TrueBrain> The Day The Earth Stood Still 20:39:43 <TrueBrain> I install Windows, Belugas considers himself silly 20:40:00 <Belugas> lol! 20:40:20 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16237 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Add nested widgets to remaining network windows. 20:40:55 <Belugas> #The Day The World Went Away 20:41:29 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~Miranda@78.149.135.217] by DorpsGek 20:41:35 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 20:41:36 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:41:52 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:42:12 <planetmaker> Belugas: not as silly. But differently silly :) To the same degree or more 20:42:22 <planetmaker> you know: "?berholen ohne einzuholen" ;) 20:42:49 <Belugas> too soon, TrueBrain, too soon 20:42:55 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 20:43:02 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 20:43:05 <Belugas> planetmaker, not at all 20:43:06 *** KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiTest 20:43:16 <planetmaker> ha! 20:43:19 *** KenjiTest is now known as KenjiE20 20:43:25 <SHADOW-XIII> who's DorpsGek ? bot ? 20:43:40 <Belugas> bot indeed 20:43:43 <planetmaker> A pet 20:43:57 <DorpsGek> bark bark 20:44:05 <Belugas> you'd prefer a human doing the same thing? 20:44:07 <TrueBrain> it is like a dog 20:44:39 *** KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiTest 20:44:47 <planetmaker> woof 20:45:16 *** KenjiTest is now known as KenjiE20 20:45:23 <Belugas> grrrrrr 20:45:34 <Belugas> i'll become a dog too shortly 20:46:04 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:46:07 <planetmaker> miaoo 20:46:23 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:46:46 <planetmaker> :) animalistic channel. First people start to leave ;) 20:46:50 *** SHADOW-XIV [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 20:47:44 <TrueBrain> @kban SHADOW-XIV 7200 shall we do another attempt? 20:47:46 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~Miranda@78.149.135.217] by DorpsGek 20:47:46 *** SHADOW-XIV was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [shall we do another attempt?] 20:49:01 *** SHADOW-XIII was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [you too!] 20:49:51 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 21:02:54 <Wolf01> 'night 21:02:57 <TrueBrain> I wish you all a very good night 21:02:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host241-236-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:03:56 *** Mido [~chatzilla@H174.C207.cci.switchworks.net] has joined #openttd 21:04:40 <planetmaker> good idea. 21:04:47 <planetmaker> I wish you all also a good night :) 21:04:58 <Mido> hey, anybody know what the admin command to restart a multiplayer game from year 1 is? 21:07:29 <glx> restart ? 21:07:57 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:32 <Belugas> what i did: "help", "list_cmds", "help list_cmds" 21:10:34 <Belugas> nice tool... 21:10:50 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:11:01 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:17 *** Cybert1nus is now known as Cybertinus 21:13:32 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DA7D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:15:13 <fjb> Hello 21:16:09 <frosch123> moin 21:16:45 * Belugas goes home, happy as cna be within the day's conditions 21:16:46 <Belugas> night all 21:16:54 <frosch123> night belugas 21:17:17 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:35 *** Mido [~chatzilla@H174.C207.cci.switchworks.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 21:43:39 <frosch123> pff, two times "fountain of youth" in a row 21:45:12 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 21:47:22 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 21:48:35 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 21:49:24 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:54:50 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has quit [Quit: mikl] 21:59:38 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:01:25 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:02 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has left #openttd [] 22:09:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F368.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:56 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-187-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:19:34 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa637.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:08 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 22:30:05 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:16 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:40:28 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-16-69.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: no. just, no.] 22:42:58 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 22:47:47 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~Miranda@78.149.135.217] by DorpsGek 22:54:07 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 23:01:45 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has joined #openttd 23:02:00 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:05:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:10:57 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:57 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 23:18:22 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.149.135.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c33c0.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:16 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:29:25 *** Spoons is now known as FauxFaux 23:32:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:35:50 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 23:45:19 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest849 23:45:19 *** [1]KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.182.91] has joined #openttd 23:45:19 *** [1]KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiE20 23:45:23 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 23:48:26 *** Guest849 [~KenjiE20@92.19.138.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:50:43 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050214193.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*]