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Log for #openttd on 5th May 2009:
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00:00:08  <Bjarni> the steam engine broke all the time and the railroad discarded it after a short while
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00:00:15  <Booth> IMO they should build more train the the BR class 222 HST
00:00:23  <Booth> or the TGV atlantque
00:00:40  <Bjarni> they should build more trains [...]
00:00:44  <Bjarni> and more tracks
00:00:50  <SHADOW-XIII> glx : is it ok file .tar.gz ?
00:01:02  <glx> no only tar
00:01:18  <glx> uncompressed
00:01:28  <SmatZ> use gunzip, not mv ;)
00:01:54  <Booth> and i dont think maglev will take off
00:02:13  <Booth> as they wont be able to get it into old city cetres
00:02:18  <Booth> cost effectivly
00:02:21  <frosch123> they are not supposed to take off, that is for planes
00:02:29  <Booth> ha ha ha
00:02:34  <SHADOW-XIII> glx what about grf parameters?
00:02:55  <Booth> set to defualt
00:03:24  <Booth> has anyone got ttd to work on an I-Phone yet?
00:03:29  <Bjarni> Japan is building a maglev line from Tokyo to Nagoya. I think they will make kind of like a bridge over roads in order to make them reach central stations inside those cities
00:03:38  <Ammler> you will still use the grf inside the tar, like you have unpacked it.
00:04:11  <Bjarni> basically they are expanding their test line so the speed of the test line is the speed of that new line
00:04:20  <Bjarni> they reached 588 km/h so far
00:04:30  <Bjarni> or was it 587?
00:04:44  <glx> grfs in tar works exactly like grfs outside tar
00:05:02  <SHADOW-XIII> glx so they will appear as separate files ?
00:05:05  <glx> yes
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00:05:51  <Booth> could you use a .rsr?
00:05:55  <Booth> *rar
00:06:01  <glx> no
00:06:05  <Ammler> :-)
00:06:10  <glx> openttd supports only uncompressed tar
00:06:16  <SmatZ> the idea is to have only 1 file handle for multiple files
00:06:22  <SmatZ> not to compress data
00:06:33  <glx> we could use gzip ;)
00:06:38  <Ammler> which is kinda cool already.
00:06:48  <glx> indeed we use gzip for content download
00:06:53  <SHADOW-XIII> but grf's aren't much compressable
00:07:07  <frosch123> of course they are
00:07:09  <glx> everything is compressible
00:07:24  * KenjiE20|LT compresses glx
00:07:27  <glx> you just need to find the most efficient algorithm
00:08:05  <SmatZ> by compressing GRFs you can ~half their size
00:08:19  <SHADOW-XIII> indeed
00:08:23  <SmatZ> but they are already compressed (sprites use some kind of RLE)
00:08:26  <Booth> you use a .ar file then
00:08:31  <SHADOW-XIII> my data dir is like 70mb
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00:08:44  <SHADOW-XIII> yay, win 7 rc today officialy
00:09:02  <SmatZ> again RC of another windows? :)
00:09:10  <Booth> why why do want a broken OS rc?
00:09:20  <SHADOW-XIII> from february am sitting on beta 1 of win 7
00:09:24  <Booth> wait until SP1 is released
00:09:31  <Booth> i have beta one
00:09:34  <Booth> founf it rubish
00:09:44  <Booth> was like vitsa
00:09:50  <Booth> but crash more often
00:09:52  <SHADOW-XIII> had problem with some drivers at the beginning but now it's ok
00:10:00  <SmatZ> hehe, yeah, I always wait for at least SP1 ;)
00:10:19  <Booth> wow SmatZ agrees with me for once
00:10:26  <Ammler> found a small glitch for non non-stop orders
00:10:35  <Booth> what?
00:11:05  <Ammler> I have default stop at far end, but trains stop on the middle
00:11:28  <SmatZ> hmhm it's not in their orders, right?
00:11:49  <Ammler> well, best would be you could define that anyway
00:11:59  <SHADOW-XIII> oh btw, what [far end] means ?
00:12:01  <Ammler> SmatZ: no, it is a station between
00:12:10  <SHADOW-XIII> and how to change it ?
00:12:16  <glx> click on it
00:12:20  <Booth> far end mean
00:12:24  <Booth> far end of station
00:12:27  <frosch123> in the middle? why that? i would have expected far end, as that one is 0
00:12:28  <Booth> 3 option exist
00:12:29  <SHADOW-XIII> lol
00:12:42  <glx> far end is like TTD
00:12:43  <Booth> middle far end, near end
00:12:59  <Ammler> well, far end should it be, if you can't configure it, imo.
00:12:59  <frosch123> hmm, no, near end is 0
00:13:09  <TinoDidriksen> Mmm, far pointers and near pointers...
00:13:16  <SHADOW-XIII> you know, there could 1 small thing be added. When I make "Transfer" order it could automatically add "and leave empty" instead "and take cargo" ....
00:13:25  <SmatZ> TinoDidriksen: and middle pointers :-p
00:14:24  <Ammler> but really cool would be, if you could define in the orders what to do on the stations between, like transfer and such
00:14:48  <SHADOW-XIII> and another idea: description panels are getting bigger to fit all description (like in GRF window) .... why not make it smaller and scrollable ?
00:15:03  <Ammler> or "no unloading"
00:15:08  <SHADOW-XIII> on smaller screens it would save a lot of precious space
00:15:08  <Booth> scroll bar = nasty
00:15:15  <SmatZ> sf.net has new look :)
00:15:19  <Booth> get a bigger screen
00:15:25  <Ammler> again?
00:15:28  <SmatZ> changed from green to black...
00:16:20  <SHADOW-XIII> Booth : yeah, I should carry laptop in my pocket all the time
00:17:22  <Booth> sf is grey for me
00:17:50  <frosch123> "Default to the middle of the station for stations stops that are not in the order list like intermediate stations when non-stop is disabled" <- Ammler: it is intentional behaviour :)
00:18:20  <Ammler> :-o
00:18:49  * Bjarni gives up enhancing the picture
00:19:05  <Ammler> hmm, I heard sometime here, you don't change TTD behaviour without switch.
00:19:11  <Bjarni> it's too dark to begin with so I have nothing to work with when I increase brightness and stuff
00:19:25  <Bjarni> crappy old camera :(
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00:22:12  <Ammler> frosch123: default means, it is changeable?
00:22:29  <Ammler> how?
00:22:58  <frosch123> if you make the train longer than the platform, it will stop at the far end. despite of that you cannot influence that
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00:23:25  <frosch123> train_cmd.cpp::GetTrainStopLocation() line 375
00:24:06  <Ammler> stop_location is 2
00:24:41  <frosch123> however, as there is no way to specify what to do at intermediate stations, imo middle is the best choice
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00:27:20  <Ammler> or using that setting?
00:27:47  <frosch123> that is a clientside setting :)
00:28:53  <Ammler> best solution is defining what to do in the intermediate stations.
00:30:16  <Ammler> or having it like it was to keep compatibility.
00:30:17  <frosch123> if you are volunteering for a patch you can also try to allow setting a timetabled waiting time for intermediate stations :p
00:31:13  <frosch123> hmm, night
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00:31:41  <Ammler> !s/n/r/ ;-)
00:32:21  <Booth> ammler no idleing
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00:35:56  <Booth> any how i am off to bed now nn
01:03:54  <SHADOW-XIII> unfortunately putting GRFs in TAR does not fix the problem
01:04:10  <SHADOW-XIII> it still gives same error
01:05:34  <SHADOW-XIII> what about OBG files ? can they be TARred ?
01:05:38  <SHADOW-XIII> and sample.cat ?
01:05:47  <SHADOW-XIII> opntitle.dat ?
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06:35:03  <petern> morning
06:40:05  <Xaroth> lo
06:42:24  <planetmaker> good morning
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07:29:10  <dihedral> morning
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07:37:49  <Alberth> good morning
07:37:56  * dihedral waves
07:38:04  * petern particles
07:38:12  <petern> oh shit
07:38:18  <petern> need to get dressed :s
07:42:45  <Sol2> guten morgen
07:43:14  <dihedral> petern: dont wanna know if you run around naked all day long
07:43:56  <petern> dressing gown, duh
07:45:25  <dihedral> you run around in a dressing gown?? oh my word
07:47:06  <petern> ...
07:47:09  <petern> when i get up, yeah
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07:50:26  <dihedral> i dont have the time in the morning to slouch around in a dressing gown
07:50:33  <dihedral> and i dont feel female enough for that either
08:07:45  <dihedral> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1363 <- long time closed ^^
08:08:37  <dihedral> i.e. since r15242
08:08:51  <petern> what is "dont" ?
08:09:24  <dihedral> don't
08:18:54  <petern> well, dressing gowns are not a female exclusive item, so... you can feel not female enough if you like.
08:21:01  <dihedral> :-P
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08:35:39  <Eddi|zuHause> what's a "dressing gown"?
08:35:59  <planetmaker> Morgenmantel
08:36:18  <Eddi|zuHause> mhm...
08:36:27  <Eddi|zuHause> what does that have to do with "female"?
08:36:34  <planetmaker> :D
08:36:55  <planetmaker> If you don't know you should explore your female part of yourself more closely :P
08:37:09  <dihedral> .... *cough*
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08:37:50  <dihedral> i don't know any guys who wear such a 'thing'
08:37:58  <dihedral> i know a bunch of women who do :-P
08:37:58  <Eddi|zuHause> no really, i don't understand it
08:38:03  <dihedral> old women :-P
08:38:17  <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause: would you wear one?
08:38:18  <planetmaker> in japan though, wearing a Kimono is quite common.
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08:38:24  <planetmaker> no. Jukata.
08:38:32  <dihedral> we are not in japan :-P
08:38:34  <planetmaker> :)
08:38:49  <petern> http://www.quilt.co.uk/i/art/Dressing-gownFront.jpg
08:38:51  * dihedral removes the japan grf from planetmaker :-P
08:38:55  <petern> ^ he doesn't look girly
08:39:22  <petern> http://manolomen.com/images/Tennessee%20Williams%20in%20robe.jpg
08:39:34  <petern> ^ he does a bit though, with that cigarette holder :p
08:39:55  <planetmaker> hehe @ dihedral :)
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08:41:30  <dihedral> he looks like "i'll wear this with pride, because my daughters made this for me"
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08:42:47  <Eddi|zuHause> my observation is that not "i have to explore my female part" but rather "dihedral is in fear of his female part"
08:43:18  <Eddi|zuHause> as in "getroffene Hunde bellen"
08:43:23  <dihedral> nonono - you aint gonna turn this round against me, just because petern feels feminine :-P
08:43:43  <dihedral> lol
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08:44:20  <dihedral> i was more trying to pick on petern
08:44:21  * petern doesn't feel feminine by wearing a dressing gown in the morning
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08:44:37  <petern> now, when i put on the panties and bra...
08:45:01  <petern> (which i don't, as that was a joke, heh)
08:45:03  <dihedral> ...
08:45:07  <Noldo> what's wrong with feeling feminine anyway?
08:45:11  <Eddi|zuHause> like people who shout out the loudest against gay people are afraid of telling people they are gay themselves
08:45:20  <petern> Eddi|zuHause, what do you expect from a bible follower?
08:45:34  <dihedral> :-D
08:45:35  <dihedral> hehe
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08:46:14  <bibledih> :-D
08:46:14  <planetmaker> <Noldo> what's wrong with feeling feminine anyway? <-- certainly nothing. Half the human race would have a problem otherwise :)
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08:46:46  <dihedral> my cousin felt a bit too feminine
08:46:53  <Eddi|zuHause> well, half of the human race has a problem with feeling feminine
08:46:58  <Eddi|zuHause> and the other half are...
08:47:01  <petern> # flying killer cobs from the planet bob
08:49:10  <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=786959#p786959 <- LOL
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08:49:14  <fonsinchen> I will feel feminine as long and as much as I want :)
08:50:41  <dihedral> hehe - i always assumed you were some kind of 'bunny' :-D
08:57:23  <petern> ?
08:58:27  <TrueBrain> good morning
08:58:47  <planetmaker> morning TrueBrain
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09:25:05  <dihedral> patch from yorick ^^, that makes the thread even better :-D
09:25:42  <Alberth> :)
09:26:24  <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: no, nobody understood the joke...
09:26:41  <Alberth> TrueBrain: wouldn't it be useful to mention 'updating/extending the wiki' at http://www.openttd.org/en/development
09:27:08  <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause: looks like Alberth knows what i am talking about
09:27:25  <Alberth> at least I think I know ;)
09:27:49  <TrueBrain> Alberth: well, it is not really development I guess
09:28:00  <TrueBrain> but if you have a piece of text for there, I can put it on
09:30:16  <Alberth> There are many users that cannot code, we may want to point them to things they can do. Translation is one, but wiki is another.
09:30:29  <Alberth> I agree however that 'development' may not be the right place.
09:31:21  <dihedral> TrueBrain: how's wt3 coming along?
09:32:00  <dihedral> Alberth: rename 'development' to 'contribute' ?
09:32:03  <TrueBrain> Alberth: maybe we can just rename the section .. but if you can write me a piece of text which should go under the subheader 'wiki', that would be useful; maybe talk it over with the other devs ;)
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09:34:46  <planetmaker> I think the heading "development" is a good choice. But a indication what all those people who say "I'd like to help, but cannot code" could do is probably a good choice :)
09:35:11  <TrueBrain> "How to Contribute" you see a lot
09:35:16  <TrueBrain> but is a bit too long :p
09:35:19  <Noldo> testing maybe?
09:35:23  <Alberth> I was thinking about 'helping out'
09:35:28  <TrueBrain> sounds perfect
09:35:42  <Alberth> I like contribute too
09:36:22  <planetmaker> hm... helping out is bad wording, I think. It's like "if you want to do a tedious chore, we got some..."
09:36:38  <planetmaker> Contributing is then the far superior choice. It can be something more valuable :)
09:36:46  <planetmaker> IF it has to be changed, that is.
09:36:50  <TrueBrain> Contribute is more like: look at us, being all official
09:37:00  <TrueBrain> Helping out is more like: we are normal people and we can do with a bit of help
09:37:14  <planetmaker> well, also, but not only.
09:37:26  <TrueBrain> but okay, 'Contribute' alone is a bit silly in a header
09:37:27  <planetmaker> helping out is filling in for something which should be there but is missing
09:37:29  <TrueBrain> the rest is too long ;)
09:38:00  <planetmaker> like giving a hand in case of emergency.
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09:48:09  <dihedral> get involved :-P
09:48:24  <TrueBrain> it also tells you how to report bugs
09:49:07  <dihedral> i personally don't find 'contribute' to be such a 'formal' word
09:49:44  <dihedral> and the menu is full of one word items
09:53:13  <dihedral> get involved
09:53:18  <dihedral> also comes to mine
09:54:19  <petern> oh right, my forum name's changed
09:54:20  <petern> hee
09:54:57  <dihedral> to what?
09:55:19  <dihedral> it's petern ^^
10:03:20  <Eddi|zuHause> well, you did request that :p
10:03:32  <petern> i did
10:03:37  <petern> i expected to have to login again
10:03:48  <petern> but i didn't need to, heh
10:07:00  <dihedral> hehe
10:08:28  <Alberth> TrueBrain (and others) http://paste.openttd.org/182542  a few lines inviting people to extend docs
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10:34:58  <dihedral> Alberth: "Use of the forum search button to find the answer to your question." <- or the wiki's search function ^^
10:35:43  <Alberth> isn't that the trick to get high ratings then?
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10:38:00  <dihedral> yes, but there is also info in the wiki - that's what i meant ^^
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10:44:20  <Alberth> fixed
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10:50:04  <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=786981#p786981 <- Eddi|zuHause nice one :-D
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10:55:07  <thingwath> it would be great if people were a little more... reasonable when choosing their usernames
10:55:29  <SmatZ> hehe
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11:27:09  <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: failed to press the right button?
11:27:57  <Eddi|zuHause> "reply" vs. "new topic"?
11:30:37  <dihedral> yep - just noticed and corrected :-P
11:30:39  <dihedral> thanks
11:32:08  <petern> fa
11:32:11  <petern> il
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11:32:20  <dihedral> lol
11:32:38  <petern> wh
11:32:38  <petern> at
11:33:10  <dihedral> yo
11:33:11  <dihedral> ur
11:33:12  <dihedral> re
11:33:13  <dihedral> pl
11:33:17  <dihedral> y!
11:33:48  <petern> ok
11:33:49  <petern> ay
11:34:37  * dihedral hu
11:34:39  * dihedral gs
11:34:41  * dihedral pe
11:34:44  * dihedral te
11:34:46  * dihedral rn
11:35:45  <Eddi|zuHause> i wanted to reply, but that would probably have prevented you from changing anything :p
11:36:38  <Ammler> FS down?
11:36:54  <TrueBrain> no
11:37:02  <planetmaker> nope
11:37:16  <Ammler> hmm
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11:38:55  <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, :-P thanks
11:38:57  <Ammler> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2883 <-- now I forgot to alter the version
11:39:04  <Ammler> it is only trunk issue
11:39:33  <dihedral> add it in a comment :-P
11:39:58  <dihedral> + the name of the section
11:40:11  <dihedral> just 'new section' is not as specific ;-)
11:42:17  <Ammler> he, thanks Rubidium
11:42:56  <Ammler> dihedral: read the thread first :P
11:43:12  <Ammler> at least the title
11:43:29  <Ammler> well, I was kinda lazy the 2nd time :-)
11:45:03  <Eddi|zuHause> @commit 7319
11:45:03  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Commit by peter1138 :: r7319 trunk/newgrf_text.c (2006-12-01 12:57:31 UTC)
11:45:04  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: -Fix (r7182): (NewGRF) Add space for terminator when translating TTDPatch strings (thanks eddi)
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11:46:14  <dihedral> terminator has space in strings?
11:46:20  <dihedral> he'll destroy them!!
11:46:47  <Eddi|zuHause> string theory... they must have had some way to create time travelling devices...
11:47:06  <dihedral> hehe
11:47:18  <dihedral> futur2
11:47:30  <dihedral> make that 3 :-P
11:47:56  <Eddi|zuHause> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/428 <- was related to that...
11:48:07  <dihedral> i had going :-P
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12:16:11  <TrueBrain> k .. let's download Windows 7 RC1 :p
12:16:19  <TrueBrain> 5 MiB/s .. acceptable :)
12:16:53  <Eddi|zuHause> i heard that it will repeatedly shut down until you buy the real version
12:17:14  <planetmaker> only in August. (Or was it July?)
12:19:10  <Eddi|zuHause> "Ab M?rz 2010 wird sich der RC automatisch alle zwei Stunden selbst herunterfahren, um den Nutzer so zum Umstieg auf die Verkaufsversion von Windows 7 zu bewegen."
12:19:58  <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause: huh?
12:20:01  <planetmaker> oh well.
12:20:04  <Gekz> quick translaet
12:20:18  <Gekz> it will turn off every 2 hours?
12:20:20  <planetmaker> buy windows or say bye to a running comp
12:20:34  <Gekz> after march 2010
12:20:37  <glx> TrueBrain: 291 KB/s here :)
12:20:39  <Eddi|zuHause> Gekz: yes
12:20:44  <Eddi|zuHause> starting march 2010
12:20:46  <Gekz> ok
12:20:51  <Gekz> my german isnt as bad as I though
12:20:52  <Gekz> t
12:20:53  <Gekz> :D
12:21:22  <planetmaker> :)
12:21:23  <glx> and it will start to warn 2 weeks before
12:22:04  <Eddi|zuHause> i wonder if there will be a crack for that ;)
12:22:18  <glx> well it's a RC
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12:23:01  <TrueBrain> you get it for free .. so some limit is acceptable I guess
12:23:38  <TrueBrain> @calc 512 - 335
12:23:38  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 177
12:23:45  <qkr> how do I transport new cargo types found on ECS, they don't all appear on train cars/refit
12:23:51  <glx> and it's usable for almost 1 year, that's not that bad
12:24:20  <glx> qkr: use a vehicle set
12:24:35  <qkr> like a newgrf trainset?
12:24:38  <Eddi|zuHause> qkr: search for "old wagons new cargos"
12:24:59  <Eddi|zuHause> should be in the online content download
12:25:04  <Ammler> how do I check if the server is virtual?
12:25:18  <frosch123> try to touch it
12:25:24  <Ammler> :P
12:25:35  <Eddi|zuHause> try to make it beep ;)
12:25:54  <qkr> I found it, thanks
12:26:05  <glx> check /proc/cpuinfo (weird values in it for my VM)
12:26:28  <TrueBrain> wonder why the fuck you don't know that already
12:26:53  <Ammler> TrueBrain: it isn't my server, we just are user, I would say, it isn't but not 100% sure.
12:27:03  <Eddi|zuHause> mail root@localhost ;)
12:27:09  <TrueBrain> then why do you care at all? :p
12:27:26  <Ammler> Rubi asked :-)
12:28:34  <TrueBrain> weird
12:29:30  <Ammler> we had a strange glitch with advertising on our server.
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12:30:03  <TrueBrain> had, past tense ... should we care? :p
12:30:30  <Eddi|zuHause> well, a "workaround" is not a "bug fix"
12:30:45  <TrueBrain> he doesn't mention a workaround :p
12:31:00  <Eddi|zuHause> it's all he talks about for a week already
12:31:11  <TrueBrain> oh, I never pay much attention to him :p
12:34:17  <TrueBrain> 300 mbit/sec ... I love my internal network :)
12:34:36  <glx> that's not a lot :)
12:35:15  <glx> (0.3 bit/s) ;)
12:35:40  <planetmaker> hahaha :)
12:36:01  <Eddi|zuHause> well, looks like the typical bandwidth for a BCI ;)
12:36:13  <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: I can't code, so I have to work around :P
12:36:45  <glx> what's the exact problem?
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12:39:53  <Ammler> glx: well, I assumed, Eddi|zuHause commented my bugreports.
12:40:19  <TrueBrain> okay .... this is stupid: 'scp' in linux: 300 mbit/sec. winscp in windows: 20 mbit/sec
12:40:24  <TrueBrain> same computers, same network
12:40:56  <glx> disk access
12:40:59  <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: there's also pscp for windows (part of putty)
12:41:02  <TrueBrain> glx: same computers
12:41:19  <glx> still, windows is slower for disk access
12:41:25  <TrueBrain> 15 times?!
12:41:40  <glx> just compare openttd compile time :)
12:42:29  <glx> or file copy/move
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12:56:59  <glx> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/3026 <-- started in a VM with "./openttd -D -x -c test.cfg"
12:57:04  <glx> advertise works
12:57:22  <glx> (IPv4 failed because the router)
13:01:43  <Ammler> well, I just reported my experience with, the first time I made the issue, I set severity to very low.
13:01:50  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... anyone tried to compile nforenum? i get "mapescapes.h:25:27: warning: boost/bimap.hpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden"
13:02:29  <petern> i don't
13:02:40  <Eddi|zuHause> (translates to: "file not found")
13:03:09  <DaleStan> What version of boost do you have installed? bimap was added in 0.35.0.
13:03:22  <Eddi|zuHause> that would explain things
13:03:40  <Eddi|zuHause> Version: 1.34.1-42.4
13:03:41  <glx> hmm I don't have perl reinstalled
13:04:18  <Eddi|zuHause> should be documented somewhere: "needs boost 1.35"
13:05:27  <Eddi|zuHause> # zypper install boost1_35-devel <- stuff is so easy in linux...
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13:06:59  <Eddi|zuHause> [40% 29.5 K/s] <- if only my network was faster
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13:37:30  <Belugas> here we go again... it's the Circus of the Shadows...
13:37:46  <glx> DaleStan: make clean should remove *.d too I think
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13:42:47  <petern> # glockenspiel
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13:43:44  <Eddi|zuHause> we don't need to know if you "play" with your "bells" :p
13:44:17  <petern> # MANDOLIN!
13:46:02  <Belugas> #And Finally
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13:46:27  <Belugas> #Tubular Bells
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13:54:00  <Belugas> Boooh!
13:54:01  <Belugas> http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/heard/2773/apple-makes-nin-hurt/
13:54:08  <Belugas> bastards!
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13:55:30  <petern> hah
13:55:36  <petern> iphones suck anyway
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13:57:03  <Belugas> itoys, as one of my friends nicknamed them
13:59:23  <planetmaker> tubular bells! yay :)
14:03:45  <petern> why
14:03:46  <petern> why why why
14:06:47  <Eddi|zuHause> i remember we had no tubular bells, so instead i had to play a subcontra-G on my Tuba
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14:09:48  <TrueBrain> hmm .. Windows 7 is nice :s
14:10:36  <Belugas> ...
14:10:41  <Belugas> i can't believe my eyes...
14:10:50  <Belugas> is it really you, TrueBrain?
14:10:56  <TrueBrain> yeah ... I am suprised myself :p
14:10:59  <dihedral> TrueBrain, ???
14:11:03  <dihedral> call the doc someone!
14:11:08  <dihedral> he's going nuts
14:12:25  <TrueBrain> it all works ... smooth ... beautiful .... in a 'followble' fashion
14:12:31  <TrueBrain> of course the setup was a piece of crap, but that will never change
14:13:11  <TrueBrain> all my drivers installed (which is rare :p)
14:13:39  <glx> still downloading :)
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14:14:15  <Gekz> BUT
14:14:19  <Gekz> it's still Windows at the core
14:14:23  <Gekz> and still fucking slow over time
14:14:24  <Gekz> :/
14:14:30  <TrueBrain> overgeneralized
14:14:40  <Gekz> it's the first positive overhaul of Windows so far though
14:14:48  <Gekz> TrueBrain: it's still a piece of shit userland
14:14:52  <Gekz> 15GB of what?
14:14:53  <Gekz> notepad?
14:15:04  <TrueBrain> default install is much smaller than Vista
14:15:08  <TrueBrain> that is a hurray on its own :)
14:15:13  <Gekz> I dont count Vista
14:15:14  <Gekz> ever
14:15:20  <Gekz> I compare XP to 7
14:15:31  <TrueBrain> and ... I could update a lot of my drivers without rebooting :) In fact ... it could restart my video driver without rebooting :)
14:15:36  <TrueBrain> that even X fails to do :p
14:15:38  <glx> not really comparable (different kernel, ...)
14:15:51  <Gekz> glx: upgraded kernel.
14:16:01  <Gekz> it's just a stripped down NT kernel
14:16:13  <TrueBrain> again: overgeneralized statement
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14:16:21  <Gekz> piss off
14:16:23  <Gekz> lol
14:16:29  <TrueBrain> @kban Gekz 600 wrong person to tell to piss off
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14:16:59  <TrueBrain> okay ... now it is a perm ban
14:17:06  <TrueBrain> @mode -b *!~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au
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14:17:22  <Aali> some older nvidia drivers could be "hotswapped" on XP
14:17:34  <Ammler> dos, nice, w95, crap, w98, nice, milenium, crap, xp, nice, vista crap so yes, w7 should be ok :-)
14:17:38  <Aali> but it never really worked I guess, since they pulled it from later versiond
14:17:41  <Aali> *versions
14:17:51  <TrueBrain> Ammler: hehe, you are about right with that, yes ;)
14:18:09  <glx> Aali: and it's recommended to uninstall before upgrade :)
14:18:13  <Ammler> well, w2k is missing
14:18:20  <Ammler> was nice too.
14:18:31  <glx> w2k was not for 'normal' users
14:18:32  <TrueBrain> win2003 too
14:18:34  <TrueBrain> win2008 too
14:18:58  <TrueBrain> but Windows 7 just works ....
14:19:01  <Ammler> ok, it matches
14:19:05  <TrueBrain> which for sure is a first in any Windows version :p
14:19:08  <Aali> I'm not sure why you would call win98 nice..
14:19:18  <Aali> sure, it was better than 95, but still horrible
14:19:21  <Ammler> w7 is also a home edition, I assume?
14:19:29  <glx> more stable than ME
14:19:34  <TrueBrain> the RC is the Ultimate version
14:20:02  <Ammler> 98 was nice, if you had toubles, just reinstall and it worked again
14:20:22  <TrueBrain> the 64bit version of Win7 is only silly again .. Program Files and Program Files (x86)
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14:20:42  <glx> I'm downloading the 64bit version :)
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14:21:56  <Belugas> :)
14:22:00  <TrueBrain> hmm .. Win7 can't playback mkv files :p
14:22:12  <glx> install vlc :)
14:22:29  * TrueBrain dislikes vlc very much
14:22:38  <TrueBrain> it has so many GUI flaws
14:22:41  <Ammler> does w7 have something like a sotware managemnet compared to apt-get?
14:22:52  <glx> Ammler: it's windows
14:22:56  <TrueBrain> Ammler: doubtful ... it is microsoft after all :p
14:22:57  <glx> don't ask too much
14:23:04  <TrueBrain> although you can install those widgets from the web
14:26:17  <Ammler> well, that is one of the only downside left, if they have now proper acl and no rebooting anymore.
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14:26:40  <TrueBrain> @mode +b *!~gekko@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au
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14:26:42  <TrueBrain> stupid DorpsGek
14:26:51  <TrueBrain> now never ever remove that ban okay, DorpsGek? Thank you ...
14:27:11  <Ammler> chanserv does remove them, afaik
14:27:34  <TrueBrain> seen own current banlist, I don't think so :)
14:28:20  <Ammler> maybe "they" rised the timeout
14:31:49  <Eddi|zuHause> wow... where did that banlist come from...
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14:34:36  <TrueBrain> cool, mkv is kind of supported .. you only need the splitter thingy :p
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14:38:22  <Eddi|zuHause> well, mkv is only a container, you can put any format within it (typically H.264 video)
14:38:33  <Eddi|zuHause> so what you are telling is that H.264 is supported
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14:41:41  <TrueBrain> ghehe, sometimes NoMachine doesn't update ... that is not nice :p
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14:45:37  <petern> moo
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14:51:58  <Belugas> shit... i missed one :(
14:52:39  <TrueBrain> lol ... don't know if it is normal, but you need to hit ` twice in OpenTTD to get the console
14:53:16  <glx> is it a dead key ?
14:53:34  <TrueBrain> it doens't move on its own :p (sorry, what is a dead key?)
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14:53:50  <TrueBrain> if you mean: `e becomes an other e, then yes
14:54:00  <TrueBrain> (US International keyboard)
14:54:01  <glx> it's a dead key :)
14:54:12  <TrueBrain> but didn't OpenTTD handle that nicely? :)
14:54:29  <glx> it handles it as windows
14:54:37  <TrueBrain> sucks :p
14:55:18  <glx> but it used to be worse :)
14:55:43  <glx> for some previous openttd version opening the console was not possible
14:55:57  <TrueBrain> nasty
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15:05:27  <petern> except from the menu
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15:19:11  <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=787044#p787044 <--- you angered someone, Belugas :)
15:19:39  <planetmaker> but, in this case, I think he has a point :) At least for RVs.
15:19:59  <Belugas> ever?
15:20:03  <Belugas> baaa...
15:20:03  <petern> great
15:20:03  <planetmaker> yup
15:20:58  <planetmaker> I don't think he's stupid. I think he even searches before he asks :)
15:20:59  <Belugas> ho... yeah... see: a train takes a long time to accelerate.  a truck no matter how heavily loaded takes an awfully lot shorter time.  So.. with game's perspective, i really wonder how it can be displayed...
15:21:16  <planetmaker> on slopes :)
15:21:24  <Belugas> duh...
15:21:34  <planetmaker> on corners
15:21:59  <petern> he seems to think 'realistic acceleration' for aircraft means better turning...
15:22:29  <petern> and, heh, i have 'realistic acceleration' code for RVs, but i haven't put it in because i didn't want to call it realistic :p
15:22:55  <Noldo> :D
15:23:26  <planetmaker> :D
15:23:47  * planetmaker hands petern an "un" for further usage
15:24:19  <Forked> petern: 'alternative acceleration' ?
15:24:25  <planetmaker> it can be swapped for "traditional" for no fee :)
15:24:27  <Forked> (people behind the RV pushing)
15:24:34  <planetmaker> haha :)
15:24:42  <Eddi|zuHause> "acceleration model: {simple, complex}"
15:24:58  <Forked> old school - new kids on the block
15:27:21  <planetmaker> or {simple, advanced}
15:27:33  <Eddi|zuHause> ships have insanely slow acceleration, which is one of the reasons why they are not travelling fast, it would be impossible to react on obstacles at high speeds
15:28:10  <glx> only if obstacle is visible 10km before :)
15:28:25  <petern> i cou
15:29:13  <planetmaker> well. It's easy to maneuver out of a small obstacle, e.g. to change course by a bit.
15:29:43  <glx> if there is enough time to do it yes
15:29:55  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but you also need to have a way to navigate two ships around each other
15:37:49  <SHADOW-XIII> would it be possible to see details of scenario in scenario picker window in ottd ? like size of he map and climate ?
15:38:00  <TrueBrain> that would be possible, yes
15:38:31  <SHADOW-XIII> would save lot of crashing in PSP version :) so I will know how big map is before trying to load it (and crash) due to lack of ram
15:39:01  <TrueBrain> the creator of the PSP version could also tell you before opening
15:39:13  <TrueBrain> and make that it goes to main menu in a graceful matter
15:41:24  <Eddi|zuHause> PS: the word "realistic" currently appears in two places, the acceleration setting for trains, and the setting for catchment areas
15:41:39  <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably inappropriate in both
15:43:07  <petern> yes
15:44:02  <Eddi|zuHause> i am very sure we had a discussion about catchment areas, but i do not remember the context... might have been the german translation
15:44:24  <petern> variable
15:44:41  <planetmaker> I think we had that in the German translation thread, yes
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15:45:05  <planetmaker> I think it might be translated as "variabel" - variable :)
15:46:02  <frosch123> I think that was discussed  in multiple places for multiple times :p
15:46:15  <TrueBrain> is that ... possible?! :p
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15:50:58  <SHADOW-XIII> TrueBrain : probably yes, right now it crashes because ottd cannot allocate enough memoery
15:51:28  <TrueBrain> SHADOW-XIII: I really think giving you the info to see yourself if it would crash or not is not the right approach for this problem :) Although having that info is just a nice thing in general :)
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15:52:10  <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=39481&p=731543#p731543 <- it was here
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16:23:32  <SHADOW-XIII> glx: what else can I tar ?
16:23:47  <SHADOW-XIII> i tarred all grf files but still need to tar more files
16:23:56  <SHADOW-XIII> obg files ? opntitle.dat ? sample.cat ?
16:24:12  <glx> did you remove the grfs after putting them in tar?
16:24:16  <SHADOW-XIII> yes
16:24:30  <glx> sample.cat can go in the original files tar
16:25:09  <glx> anyway on PSP the limit is way lower
16:25:12  <Ammler> maybe it isn't a file limit, either something "hardcoded" in the openttd source.
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16:25:55  <SHADOW-XIII> it's 10 files max I think
16:26:24  <SHADOW-XIII> glx: can I pack sample.cat + *.obg files + opntitle.dat in a tar file ?
16:26:45  <glx> dunno for obg and dat
16:27:12  <Ammler> can't you make a tar for the obg with the grfs belongs to?
16:27:22  <SHADOW-XIII> i have to check
16:27:28  <glx> obg can go in the tar
16:27:47  * glx just check opengfx tar :)
16:29:05  <SHADOW-XIII> i tar everything :P
16:29:42  <TrueBrain> with the default files (no newgrfs) you should be fine with PSP ... I believe it used up all slots in that case :p
16:29:44  <TrueBrain> (or had one left ...)
16:29:53  <TrueBrain> left time I wrote anything for PSP, we made it 'recycle' filepointers :p
16:29:54  <SHADOW-XIII> what's strange graphics files are working once, after reopning newgrf window and selecting other (but same) set of grf files it crashes ...
16:29:56  <TrueBrain> (very nasty ;))
16:30:12  <SHADOW-XIII> looks like file handlers still opened ... odd
16:30:30  <TrueBrain> but ... is it playable on PSP?
16:30:35  <TrueBrain> I mean, the navigation has to be a bitch!
16:30:41  <SHADOW-XIII> what navigation
16:30:47  <SHADOW-XIII> joy works fine as mouse
16:30:54  <SHADOW-XIII> not as comfortable
16:31:00  <SHADOW-XIII> but playable enough
16:31:06  <TrueBrain> I think that is the understatement of the centry ...
16:31:39  <TrueBrain> QuadWord, I like that name :p
16:32:43  <Eddi|zuHause> what's that? a 64-bit-integer on 16-bit architectures?
16:33:17  <TrueBrain> yup
16:33:23  <TrueBrain> exactly right :)
16:33:33  <TrueBrain> well .. arch ... no, on a 16bit memory model
16:34:49  <petern> libgmp
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16:35:40  <glx> installation started
16:36:29  <glx> oups virtual HD too small
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16:45:16  <TrueBrain> glx: good luck
16:45:22  <TrueBrain> SHADOW-XIII: I was done in 7 minutes :p
16:45:36  <glx> download took me more than 3 hours
16:46:10  <SHADOW-XIII> I downloaded via browser that but my connection is crap so I moved that to torrent, now will be slow
16:46:38  <glx> MS provide torrent ?
16:48:07  <dihedral> pff - silly question!
16:48:12  <SHADOW-XIII> no, but it's same image
16:48:53  <SHADOW-XIII> I've got 2 keys and 30% of image from MS .. rest can come from torrent :P
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16:49:42  <glx> I also have 2 keys :) (FF crashed)
16:50:16  <SHADOW-XIII> now got time till march :)
16:50:19  <SHADOW-XIII> now got time till march :)
16:50:52  <Eddi|zuHause> once for every key? :p
16:51:21  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... siedler 1 does not run in dosbox...
16:51:56  <SHADOW-XIII> Eddi|zuHause: it runs
16:52:00  <SHADOW-XIII> same with Settlers 2
16:52:08  <SHADOW-XIII> i know - I've been playing those on PSP
16:52:28  <Eddi|zuHause> i can set up a game, but once i start it, it crashes
16:52:49  <Eddi|zuHause> it just returns to the command prompt
16:52:51  <SHADOW-XIII> maybe game is corrupted ?
16:52:55  <Eddi|zuHause> Siedler 2 worked...
16:53:54  <Eddi|zuHause> of course the CD is not in the box...
16:54:11  <SHADOW-XIII> I even run Fallout on PSP, too bad it's unpleyable and too bad it's not F2
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17:02:35  <SHADOW-XIII> on DosBox on PSP I can play: A-Train, A-Train 4 (AIV), Ascendancy, Capitalism, Constructor, Heroes of Might & Magic 2, Theme Hospital, Master of Magic, Pizza Tycoon, Prehistoryk 2, Prince of Persia, Settlers 2, SimCity 2000, Sim Farm, Supaplex
17:02:35  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... a WarCraft CD... i don't remember i ever really played that game...
17:03:06  <SHADOW-XIII> altough some are working too slow to be called "fully playable"
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17:08:54  <glx> 65%
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17:15:47  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... is there a way to control the sound volume in dosbox?
17:16:11  <planetmaker> hm... your power cable?
17:16:15  <glx> there's probably a Fx shortcut
17:16:52  <glx> but usually volume is controlled by the game
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17:45:50  <glx> lol it's not fully translated :)
17:47:08  <planetmaker> hm?
17:47:37  <glx> I got a "scanning for hardware changes" using french version
17:47:50  <planetmaker> hehe :)
17:48:20  <TrueBrain> glx: it is, after all, a RC ;)
17:48:26  <glx> true
17:48:34  <glx> now I need to fix sound :)
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17:50:47  <glx> changing workgroup sill requires a reboot
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18:06:43  <glx> sound works \o/
18:07:03  <frosch123> Administrator :s
18:07:44  <dihedral> "ever" around for 10 days on the forums and gets a belugas - pfft
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18:07:51  <dihedral> a kid i quickly start to dislike :-P
18:08:19  <Forked> are there anyone you like on the forum? :p
18:08:20  <dihedral> frosch123, might be a 'channel administrator' :-D
18:08:32  <dihedral> Forked, yep, there are a bunch of people
18:08:40  <Forked> I was just wondering:)
18:09:25  <dihedral> belugas being one of them :-P
18:10:04  <dihedral> Alberth, Eddi, pm..........
18:10:11  <dihedral> hmmm
18:10:14  <Ammler> at least you know, who he doesn't like, and he makes sure, you won't forget ;-)
18:10:22  <dihedral> :-D
18:10:23  <dihedral> haha
18:10:25  <dihedral> nice one :-P
18:11:19  <Ammler> hate-love
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18:11:53  <Xaroth> dih works on an hates-all-except list :P
18:12:16  <dihedral> well - people dont start off on the 'dislike' list
18:12:41  <Ammler> sadly the foes function doesn't work as expected.
18:12:56  <TrueBrain> I wonder how that would work ...... :p
18:13:30  <dihedral> :-P
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18:13:52  <TrueBrain> well .. I know: lets send invites to people: do you want to be my friend on tt-forums.net
18:13:56  <TrueBrain> and lets rename it to facebook!
18:14:55  <Alberth> that name is already taken TB
18:15:04  <TrueBrain> ttdbook? :p
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18:16:08  <dihedral> ttdface
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18:21:59  <TrueBrain> Belugas: that was the wrong client :p
18:22:09  <TrueBrain> (just kidding :p)
18:22:16  <Belugas> ever is not a bad guy.  He's just reacting the same as many when someone has the bad luck to be against his concept
18:22:45  <TrueBrain> what is this lately about new ideas and stuff? Never seen it that active :p
18:23:57  <planetmaker> I still have hope that he might actually become active in the sense that he'll set out to actually realize few of his many ideas.
18:24:23  <Belugas> TrueBrain, i like new ideas, when they do bring in new concepts
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18:25:40  <Belugas> youhoy!  I love tha!
18:25:53  <planetmaker> :D
18:26:06  <planetmaker> is it like shadow boxing? :P
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18:29:35  <Ammler> he, yet another vcs :-)
18:29:45  <TrueBrain> who? what? where?
18:29:53  <Ammler> bazaar
18:30:05  <planetmaker> yeah... seems like I need to get that, too :S
18:30:10  <Belugas> The Grand Bazaar!
18:30:18  <TrueBrain> who is using that/ :p
18:30:24  <Ammler> FIRS (foobar)
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18:30:40  <TrueBrain> why? :p
18:30:51  <planetmaker> stupid, if you ask me... yet another vcs... :S
18:31:00  <planetmaker> just because, TrueBrain
18:31:34  <Ammler> because "Bazaar is highly recommended by the developer sitting to my left right now..."
18:31:55  <TrueBrain> so OpenTTD already has svn, git and hg ... and now people start to use bazaar too? :p
18:32:11  <Ammler> hg convert might handle it
18:32:52  <planetmaker> TrueBrain, very convenient, eh? Yes...
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18:33:34  <petern> people are awkward
18:33:56  <Belugas> no kidding :)
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18:35:10  <Ammler> hg convert rocks
18:35:40  <TrueBrain> if it works
18:35:52  <Belugas> nice : mercurial to rocks... that's the philosophical stone!
18:36:08  <Ammler> Belugas: rocks too
18:36:19  <Belugas> and ROll!@!!
18:36:37  <planetmaker> mercurial on the rocks. Cheers!
18:36:51  <planetmaker> shall I call the doctor now or just wait? ;)
18:37:18  * planetmaker has seriously low blood sugar and thus heads now home :)
18:37:21  <planetmaker> cu later guys
18:37:56  <Ammler> might be too fast, seems not that easy.
18:38:29  <planetmaker> I didn't say carcass handler ;)
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18:49:18  <Laurens> ey
18:49:33  <Wolf01> oy
18:49:55  <SmatZ> ay
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18:51:22  <glx> SHADOW-XIV: do something for your connection
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18:56:22  <TrueBrain> glx: but it keeps Belugas busy :p
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18:57:45  <welshdragon> true that
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18:58:38  <glx> too bad firefox is 32bit
18:59:39  <TrueBrain> glx: many applications are ...
18:59:48  <SmatZ> is it?
18:59:51  <glx> ok now I have a real browser
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18:59:58  <TrueBrain> even a few that comes with Windows7 :p
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19:01:26  <glx> IE8 is 64bit :) (openttd.org detects the right version)
19:01:43  <TrueBrain> well, the useragent includes the 64bit tag, yes
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19:06:44  <glx> my VMs are consistent for incorrect CPU speed :)
19:07:09  <glx> ubuntu64 and seven64 both says 3.7GHz
19:07:19  <glx> (for a 3800+)
19:08:08  <glx> since when sf.net requires flash?
19:08:22  <TrueBrain> does it? Even more reason to never ever visit that site again
19:08:27  <Ammler> adds
19:08:36  <TrueBrain> ads or adds?
19:08:49  <Ammler> hmm -d?
19:08:58  <Ammler> advertising
19:09:04  <TrueBrain> ads :)
19:09:09  <TrueBrain> 'ad'vertising' ;)
19:09:13  <TrueBrain> not 'add'vertising :p
19:09:39  <glx> hmm VM freezed
19:09:44  <Ammler> maybe it is like waggons
19:09:46  <TrueBrain> sounds bad glx
19:09:57  <TrueBrain> waggons? What is waggons?
19:10:09  <glx> well it's a windows after all :)
19:10:39  <TrueBrain> waggons is middle english ...
19:11:50  <Ammler> anyway, I meant ads ;-)
19:12:00  <TrueBrain> :)
19:12:20  <TrueBrain> GetJumpChild ... not the best name for a funciton I guess :p
19:12:49  <Ammler> stupid, I had to clone the bzr locally until I were able to convert to hg.
19:12:50  <Belugas> AttraperEnfantSautillant
19:13:07  <TrueBrain> Ammler: that is how 'hg convert' works
19:13:19  <Belugas> IT ROCKS!!
19:13:22  <Ammler> hehe
19:13:44  <Ammler> TrueBrain: with svn, it worked from url
19:13:57  <TrueBrain> Ammler: because SVN is centralized
19:14:06  <TrueBrain> converts from git requires a local version too
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19:15:11  <dihedral> ^^
19:15:44  <dihedral> Ammler, cute! ^^
19:15:49  <frosch123> does hg support binary files? i thought it doesn't
19:15:57  <Aali> of course it does
19:16:20  <TrueBrain> it does; only no binary diffs
19:16:26  <TrueBrain> who needs that anyway
19:16:42  <frosch123> hmm, then I confused that :/
19:17:01  <TrueBrain> I believe old versions didn't support it; or that is how people/their website said it
19:17:11  <TrueBrain> what was meant was the diffing, what I gathered :p
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19:40:09  <Alberth> frosch123: yes it does, or openttd{dw}.grf are not binary files
19:40:40  <frosch123> :)
19:42:57  <glx> TrueBrain: already 2 updates ;)
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19:46:58  <TrueBrain> glx: I had 4 ;) (3 drivers)
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19:48:23  <glx> I installed vmware tools to solve my drivers issue ;)
19:49:35  <glx> 1 of them is for IE8 :)
19:50:28  <glx> hmm both are for IE8 indeed
19:51:52  <TrueBrain> but, what do you think of it?
19:52:13  <glx> not bad for now
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19:56:09  <planetmaker> DaleStan: I've a problem compiling nforenum. It fails errors concerning boost: /usr/local/include/boost/boost/date_time/year_month_day.hpp:17: error: template with C linkage
19:56:15  <planetmaker> any ideas?
19:56:41  <glx> clean source?
19:56:43  <SmatZ> nforenum is using boost?
19:56:49  <planetmaker> uhm... yes.
19:56:52  <planetmaker> and yes
19:56:57  <TrueBrain> the world is doomed
19:57:03  <glx> compiles fine for me
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19:57:37  <SmatZ> [21:56:57] <TrueBrain> the world is doomed <== perfect reaction!
19:58:03  <TrueBrain> anyway, planetmaker, Boost is a C++ Template library
19:58:11  <TrueBrain> seen the error ... I think a C compiler wants to touch it?
19:58:33  <planetmaker> uhm... ?
19:58:50  <SmatZ> strings.cpp:370: warning: ignoring return value of 'char* fgets(char*, int, FILE*)', declared with attribute warn_unused_result
19:58:54  <SmatZ> the only warnings I get
19:58:56  <planetmaker> hm.... inproperly installed boost?
19:59:05  <TrueBrain> wrong version?
19:59:13  <planetmaker> also might be true...
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19:59:22  <SmatZ> it shouldnt' be using boost at all :-x
19:59:29  <TrueBrain> system CFLAGS which are 'wrong'?
19:59:48  <planetmaker> TrueBrain: well... they're at default. It's no "no" answer, though :)
19:59:50  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: shouldn't, or doesn't? :)
20:00:06  <SmatZ> TrueBrain: apparently, somehow it uses :)
20:00:06  <planetmaker> TrueBrain: it does, if the readme along with it is right.
20:00:17  <TrueBrain> for what?! :(
20:00:28  <SmatZ> :(
20:00:48  <SmatZ> TrueBrain: probably for year_month_day.hpp ;)
20:00:55  <planetmaker> yep
20:01:03  <planetmaker> hm... I have 1.38.
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20:01:09  <TrueBrain> and for that you need to install the complete boost library
20:01:17  <TrueBrain> reminder to myself: do not try to use nforenum ..
20:01:43  <petern> openttdcoop people, what's better, UUDD or UDUD?
20:02:11  <TrueBrain> UBBD
20:02:12  <TrueBrain> :p
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20:02:34  <petern> :s
20:02:36  <TrueBrain> TTTT
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20:03:28  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16230 /trunk/src/network/network_chat_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Moving chat widgets enum outside window struct.
20:03:49  <SmatZ> petern: UUDD is used in most games :) there were experimets with UDUDUDUDUD and such while testing YAPP, but it wasn't very successful
20:04:09  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16231 /trunk/src/network/network_chat_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to chat window.
20:04:24  <Belugas> UDUDUDUDUD  <--??  ouch... sounds tortuous
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20:04:37  <SmatZ> also, UUDD allows shifting and further "abusing" of presignals ;)
20:04:44  <SmatZ> Belugas: yeah, it wasn't very efficient :)
20:04:55  <SmatZ> so it had to be wide
20:06:08  <SmatZ> planetmaker: what file fails to compile?
20:06:08  * Belugas believes you blindfully
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20:06:21  <SmatZ> there are savegames somewhere :)
20:06:57  <planetmaker> SmatZ: last file is [CPP] pseudo.o then the error messages start
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20:07:45  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16232 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Moving network content widgets enums outside window structs.
20:07:57  <frosch123> planetmaker: SmatZ: renum needs a quite recent version of boost
20:08:08  <frosch123> esp. since 5 days
20:08:19  <planetmaker> I have 1.38. It should be... not older than a few months
20:08:31  <SmatZ> dev-libs/boost-1.35.0-r2 :-x
20:08:36  <SmatZ> works fine
20:08:36  <planetmaker> frosch123: do you know which?
20:08:48  <planetmaker> hm... maybe I should try 1.35 :)
20:09:02  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16233 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to network content windows.
20:09:14  <frosch123> [Tue May 5 2009] [15:03:44] <DaleStan>  What version of boost do you have installed? bimap was added in 0.35.0.
20:09:45  <planetmaker> he...
20:09:55  <frosch123> someone asked that already yesterday, iirc eddi or so
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20:10:48  <planetmaker> ah, ok
20:11:02  <SmatZ> frosch123: was the error message the same?
20:11:36  <planetmaker> it's actually a loooong string of errors which follows
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20:12:19  <frosch123> [Tue May 5 2009] [15:02:24] <Eddi|zuHause>      hm... anyone tried to compile nforenum? i get "mapescapes.h:25:27: warning: boost/bimap.hpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden"
20:12:20  <planetmaker> funnily that function declarations of boost contradict itself... later on.
20:12:27  <planetmaker> hm.
20:12:40  <frosch123> so, no :)
20:12:45  <planetmaker> looks like something completely different
20:14:14  <planetmaker> boost is a pain :S
20:14:26  <glx> try make clean && rm *.d && make
20:14:51  <Belugas> how nice... "ttd fourms are for geeks and is s***"  very amusing :)
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20:15:44  <Eddi|zuHause>  <planetmaker> hm... I have 1.38. <- maybe the boost version is "too new"
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20:16:07  <glx> I used 1.38 too
20:16:35  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, my problem was completely different
20:16:41  <frosch123> [ebuild   R   ] dev-libs/boost-1.35.0-r2  USE="doc expat -debug -icu -mpi -tools" 0 kB <- also works for me
20:16:54  <Eddi|zuHause> and was solved by updating to 1.35
20:17:27  <planetmaker> hm... maybe it's then my boost. It's a pain to install it IMO...
20:17:34  <SmatZ> :(
20:17:47  <planetmaker> I'll have to go check that again, I guess :(
20:17:51  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16234 /trunk/src/network/ (network_chat_gui.cpp network_content_gui.cpp): -Codechange (r16231, r16233): Do not add test functions to trunk.
20:18:08  <TrueBrain> bad Alberth :p
20:18:09  <TrueBrain> ghehehe
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20:18:38  <SmatZ> nice Alberth ;)
20:18:57  <SmatZ> SHADOW-XIII: SHADOW-XIV: please stop it :-x
20:19:27  <frosch123> or you have to pay the hours belugas keeps kicking you
20:19:29  <planetmaker> he :)
20:20:02  <SmatZ> :-D
20:20:14  <planetmaker> 70EUR / hour, 1 minute a kick --> each kick = 1,16EUR? Nice.
20:20:34  <planetmaker> and that's a bargain offer :)
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20:21:18  <Belugas> i'm blood... i keep one alive all the time
20:21:36  <Belugas> pay me in liquid
20:21:42  <planetmaker> hehe :)
20:21:43  <Belugas> one kick one beer
20:22:18  <planetmaker> you'd be drunken in no time...
20:22:29  <Belugas> #One Scotch, One Whisky, One BEeeer
20:22:42  <Belugas> planetmaker, i'll keep some for the boring days :)
20:22:53  <planetmaker> hehe :)
20:24:54  <Belugas> is it me or is it the first fix-my-previous commit by Alberth?
20:25:14  <Belugas> if so, you'll have a long way to beat me!
20:25:30  <Alberth> actually, it is the 2nd one :(
20:25:33  <Belugas> speaking of which, i shall start to slowly commit stuff myself :S
20:25:36  <Belugas> oh :)
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20:31:05  * Belugas wonders who is that peer... might have to shout big tie at him
20:31:26  <TrueBrain> @kban SHADOW-XIII 600 please come back when your connection is more stable .. this annoys too many people ;)
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20:31:31  <TrueBrain> solved!
20:31:56  <TrueBrain> although Belugas is now out of a job ..
20:32:17  <frosch123> there are also XV, XIV, ...
20:32:35  * Belugas cries!
20:33:17  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16235 /trunk/src/network/network_chat_gui.cpp: -Codechange (r16234): But keep the window description.
20:33:18  <Alberth> Hmm, I knew it was a bad idea to stay up and commit stuff :(
20:33:30  <TrueBrain> poor Alberth .. doing such a nice job ...
20:34:08  <SmatZ> :o(\
20:34:36  <Belugas> don't worry, TrueBrain, i'll be back soon :)
20:36:08  <fonsinchen> Belugas: you wanted to tell me something about diagonal levelling yesterday?
20:36:29  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16236 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Make widget enums complete of various network windows, and add them as comment.
20:36:56  <Belugas> hehe now, #tycoon are the only ones who tolerate/endure/whatever Shadow's connectivity nightmare.  Good test site :)
20:37:08  <planetmaker> lool
20:37:18  <Belugas> no, fonsinchen, just that (at least by me) you have not been forgotten
20:37:39  <Belugas> usually, users are very worried by elapsed time...
20:38:00  <planetmaker> what? where? time? again gone by? Oh, no!
20:38:10  <fonsinchen> :)
20:38:45  * planetmaker is very... silly today
20:39:11  <Belugas> you cannot be as silly as em!
20:39:13  <Belugas> me
20:39:18  <TrueBrain> you
20:39:19  <TrueBrain> silly?
20:39:22  <TrueBrain> since when?
20:39:24  <TrueBrain> what did I miss?
20:39:35  <TrueBrain> The Day The Earth Stood Still
20:39:43  <TrueBrain> I install Windows, Belugas considers himself silly
20:40:00  <Belugas> lol!
20:40:20  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16237 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Add nested widgets to remaining network windows.
20:40:55  <Belugas> #The Day The World Went Away
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20:42:12  <planetmaker> Belugas: not as silly. But differently silly :) To the same degree or more
20:42:22  <planetmaker> you know: "?berholen ohne einzuholen" ;)
20:42:49  <Belugas> too soon, TrueBrain, too soon
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20:43:05  <Belugas> planetmaker, not at all
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20:43:16  <planetmaker> ha!
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20:43:25  <SHADOW-XIII> who's DorpsGek ? bot ?
20:43:40  <Belugas> bot indeed
20:43:43  <planetmaker> A pet
20:43:57  <DorpsGek> bark bark
20:44:05  <Belugas> you'd prefer a human doing the same thing?
20:44:07  <TrueBrain> it is like a dog
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20:44:47  <planetmaker> woof
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20:45:23  <Belugas> grrrrrr
20:45:34  <Belugas> i'll become a dog too shortly
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20:46:07  <planetmaker> miaoo
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20:46:46  <planetmaker> :) animalistic channel. First people start to leave ;)
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20:47:44  <TrueBrain> @kban SHADOW-XIV 7200 shall we do another attempt?
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21:02:54  <Wolf01> 'night
21:02:57  <TrueBrain> I wish you all a very good night
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21:04:40  <planetmaker> good idea.
21:04:47  <planetmaker> I wish you all also a good night :)
21:04:58  <Mido> hey, anybody know what the admin command to restart a multiplayer game from year 1  is?
21:07:29  <glx> restart ?
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21:10:32  <Belugas> what i did: "help", "list_cmds", "help list_cmds"
21:10:34  <Belugas> nice tool...
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21:15:13  <fjb> Hello
21:16:09  <frosch123> moin
21:16:45  * Belugas goes home, happy as cna be within the day's conditions
21:16:46  <Belugas> night all
21:16:54  <frosch123> night belugas
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21:43:39  <frosch123> pff, two times "fountain of youth" in a row
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