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00:06:52 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:23:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 00:34:51 *** reldred [~reldred@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 00:37:22 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:46:15 *** jerker [jerker@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE] has joined #openttd 00:46:18 <jerker> hi folks 00:46:30 *** jerker is now known as TaggartTrans 00:47:18 <TaggartTrans> Just letting you know that I added some dual line variants for my puppy braided junction at http://wiki.openttd.org/Braided_Junction 00:47:31 *** reldred1 [~reldred@115.131.203.111] has joined #openttd 00:47:34 *** reldred [~reldred@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:53:41 <TaggartTrans> time to sleep, goodnight, but you are welcome to comment here on irc, i will read tomorrow. 00:57:40 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~Chicago_R@c-68-49-94-90.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:59:16 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:03:57 *** theholyduck [freenode@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16:29 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 01:21:19 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:21:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21:22 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 01:32:35 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226212235.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 01:33:23 <LadyHawk> anyone ever tried to make the towns fill the map? 01:34:18 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the 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06:33:09 <petern> hurr 06:33:12 <petern> that's a lot 06:35:29 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:36:44 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 06:41:16 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:41:16 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:41:20 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 06:43:10 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 06:54:01 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 07:02:13 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:04:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04:22 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:11:41 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEf80c.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 07:16:32 *** maristo 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gleeb, TheMask96, CIA-1, Xyzzy, Singaporekid 08:35:45 <blathijs> dihedral: But using the .deb version is way more convenient when upgrading 08:36:02 <dihedral> ...? 08:36:10 <dihedral> think so? 08:36:29 *** Netsplit over, joins: Singaporekid, Xyzzy, TheMask96, CIA-1, gleeb 08:36:34 <dihedral> rm -rf openttd; wget ....; tar -xzf openttd...tar.gz 08:37:14 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm217.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:37:54 <Rubidium> and given that it's ubuntu, I'd say the version from: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openttd/0.7.1-1 08:45:55 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has joined #openttd 08:53:54 <petern> wuagh 08:54:01 <petern> how do i call an lua function :s 08:54:15 <petern> i seem to only find examples for executing a complete lua file 08:55:21 <dihedral> hello TrueBrain 08:55:36 <Noldo> petern: why are you doing lua? 08:57:36 <SpComb> petern: ensure it's on the top of the stack, and then lua_call or lua_pcall depending on what context you're calling it from 08:57:57 <SpComb> petern: for executing a complete file, you just first use lua_load to push it as a chunk onto the stack, and then lua_pcall 08:58:29 <SpComb> so it just depends on how you want to find the function 08:59:01 <petern> luaL_loadfile(m_state, name); 08:59:08 <petern> lua_getglobal(m_state, "init"); 08:59:13 <petern> if (lua_pcall(m_state, 0, 0, 0) != 0) { 09:00:01 <petern> Error running function "init": attempt to call a nil value 09:07:42 <petern> hmm 09:14:51 <petern> okay, works with luaL_dofile() 09:16:57 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 09:29:45 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:32:03 *** TaggartTrans [jerker@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:48:27 <LadyHawk> does station rating for passengers/mail affect city growth rate? 09:51:48 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:51:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:51:51 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:56:26 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051018011.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:01:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16695 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): 10:01:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-06-30 10:00:57 10:01:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: japanese - 6 fixed by nex259 (6) 10:01:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 8 fixed by jankmi (8) 10:01:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: portuguese - 9 fixed by SnowFlake (9) 10:01:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: serbian - 111 fixed by etran (111) 10:01:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: spanish - 1 fixed by erregerre (1) 10:03:07 <TrueBrain> @op 10:03:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 10:03:18 *** TrueBrain changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.7.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only :D 10:03:28 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by TrueBrain 10:09:04 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:13:34 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:13:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13:59 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:15:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16696 /trunk/src/lang/ (41 files in 2 dirs): 10:15:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Change: make order of pragmas identical for all languages (and to what strgen defines it to be) 10:15:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Change: make order of cases identical to what the case-pragma indicates 10:18:24 <dihedral> wow - i did not know 'translators' could do that kind of editing ^^ 10:19:25 <TrueBrain> you don't know a lot of things :p :p 10:19:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16697 /trunk/src/lang/ (brazilian_portuguese.txt catalan.txt norwegian_bokmal.txt): -Fix (r16696): don't silently introduce old ##case for some languages 10:23:00 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5446443a.lns3-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:26:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16698 /trunk/ (docs/HOWTO_compile_lang_files.txt readme.txt): -Document: update documentation pointing to the old translator tool. 10:38:37 <TrueBrain> and now, now it is time for some cake 10:38:48 *** thingwath [~thingwath@147.251.200.254] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 10:40:42 <Eddi|zuHause> the cake is a lie. 10:40:42 <petern> so is it officially retired now? 10:42:00 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: and if you now would be so kind to step into the fire, then we can celebrate with cake later on 10:42:07 <TrueBrain> petern: I guess :) 10:43:30 <Rubidium> shouldn't something first come out of beta to actually be able to retire? 10:44:32 <Eddi|zuHause> duke nukem forever? 10:44:35 * TrueBrain giggles 10:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> that didn't even get into beta :p 10:45:37 <Rubidium> gmail? 10:47:27 <dihedral> <Eddi|zuHause> the cake is a lie. <- there are no spoons? 10:52:36 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-10-1-240.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 10:59:23 *** Benny [~chatzilla@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 11:00:14 *** Benny is now known as benny 11:01:20 *** benny is now known as Benny 11:05:47 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 11:06:57 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:07:21 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:07:37 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 11:10:42 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.15.16] has joined #openttd 11:14:10 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@client-82-14-90-115.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has 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[Quit: andythenorth_] 12:34:51 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16699 /trunk/src/video/sdl_v.cpp: -Fix [FS#3001]: if SDL fails to allocate a surface due to it being too large (and SDL doesn't crash!) fall back to another video driver. 12:37:21 <Eddi|zuHause> there are other video drivers? 12:37:41 <glx> allegro 12:37:56 <Noldo> null 12:38:27 <Rubidium> win32 12:38:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16700 /trunk/src/ (music/allegro_m.cpp sound/allegro_s.cpp video/allegro_v.cpp): -Fix: if allegro fails to start or fails open a window or sound card fall back to another driver 12:38:35 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:38:35 <Rubidium> the crappy osx stuff 12:38:57 <Eddi|zuHause> it'd be silly if it falls back to null or dedicated driver... 12:39:40 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: my opinion is that it is better than segfaulting 12:40:24 <Eddi|zuHause> it's better than segfaulting, but silently starting dedicated is worse than shouting "no video driver found" 12:41:18 <Eddi|zuHause> in case you don't remember the increased support demand for configure non-silently announcing that it's going to build a dedicated binary, but people still ignoring the announcement 12:42:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16701 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3001]: limit the screen's resolution to 65535x65535 so the dirty pixels stay within bounds of a 32 bits integer 12:43:28 <Chruker> oh noes, my really really wide screenshots 12:43:34 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:44:01 * Chruker calculates... 12:44:06 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but how to shout to an user that doesn't look at stdout/stderr? 12:44:16 <Chruker> Just need 33 more monitors 12:44:27 <Rubidium> when SDL/Allegro don't work? 12:45:00 <Chruker> Does it put a notice in some system logfile? 12:45:00 <Rubidium> it's the exact same issue for missing files on unixy platforms 12:45:26 <Belugas> hello 12:45:28 <Rubidium> Chruker: is that in any way cross platform? 12:46:44 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:47:06 <Chruker> I have no idea, but arent there any other windows-only or unix-only blocks in the source? 12:47:33 *** FloSoft [bouncer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:48 <Rubidium> 'unix only' is more 'not Windows' 12:47:58 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 12:48:10 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 12:49:01 <Sacro> this is why c# is better 12:49:08 <planetmaker> tsk 12:49:21 <Sacro> Console.WriteLine("Blargh"); 12:49:57 <Chruker> Are there yet C# compilers for other OS'es than windows? 12:50:05 <Sacro> Yes 12:50:14 <Sacro> Mono works on Linux, OSX, Solaris 12:50:17 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:50:20 <Sacro> DotGNU works on many more 12:50:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.210.199] has joined #openttd 12:50:39 <Chruker> Fully or mostly compatible also? 12:50:44 <Rubidium> uhm, C# (Microsoft) or C# (That standard that isn't like Microsoft's version)? 12:51:17 <Sacro> Rubidium: they are the same 12:51:21 <Sacro> ECMA standard 12:53:03 <TinoDidriksen> Chruker, if you want to do fancy GUI then C# is not that portable. But for cmdline tools and headless apps, C# is very portable. 12:53:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: there's a warning to not rely on mono/c# because of increased possibility of patent threats 12:53:18 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: ignore stallman 12:53:24 <Sacro> there's as much a threat to GNUStep 12:53:28 <Sacro> and the kernel 12:53:36 <Sacro> and using Cocoa 12:53:40 <Rubidium> Sacro: Microsoft and standards, even if they make them theirselves, is a very murky area 12:54:00 <Rubidium> and I am FAR from certain that MS obeys it's own ECMA standard 12:54:12 <Eddi|zuHause> "Standard" and "Implementation" always differ... microsoft or not... 12:54:14 <TrueBrain> MS and standards? That would be a first, yes ;) 12:54:32 <Sacro> Mono has no issues with stuff that I do 12:54:57 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-14-90-115.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]] 12:55:09 <Eddi|zuHause> if the bugs are deliberate or not... if in doubt, people will adapt their programs to the implementation, not to the standard 12:55:22 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-14-90-115.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 12:55:45 <Eddi|zuHause> primary example: web pages vs. IE 12:56:07 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Booth 12:56:17 *** el[cube] [~eleusis@203-59-115-129.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:56:26 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but that is "some else's standard" vs "their 'standard'" 12:56:40 <Rubidium> I rather use OOXML as example 12:57:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Microsoft C++... 12:57:46 <Sacro> C# is done right so far 12:57:56 <TinoDidriksen> They have no incompatible extensions to regular C++. Managed C++ and C++/CLR sure, but nobody uses those. 12:58:12 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 12:59:38 <Eddi|zuHause> TinoDidriksen: i have a documentation for a c++ compiler frontend for different dialects, and there's an insanely long list of dialect changes depending if in "microsoft" mode, or in "microsoft-bugs" mode 13:00:01 <TinoDidriksen> That was the olden days before VC7.1...VC6 was horrible. 13:00:09 <glx> that reminds me MS Java vs Sun Java 13:00:16 <el[cube]> hi 13:00:29 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: i thought they were actually convicted for that :p 13:00:40 <TinoDidriksen> I use MSVC++ to write cross-platform C++, and have no issues at all compiling the exact same code on MSVC++, GCC, etc. 13:01:22 <glx> TinoDidriksen: if you want a "memory safe" code, check it on linux :) 13:01:28 <Eddi|zuHause> TinoDidriksen: yes, if you try to ship around the incompatibilities, there is a common subset that works in most of the compilers 13:02:32 <TinoDidriksen> There are no incompatabilities to speak of. Even MS's stdext::hash_map was drop-in compatible with GCC's __gnu_cxx::hash_map 13:03:07 <glx> iterators have some differences 13:03:20 <TinoDidriksen> glx, I do check on Linux with valgrind. But MSVC++ is just great to develop in. 13:03:34 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEf80c.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 13:04:02 <glx> we had nice bugs in noai api because of small differences with iterators 13:04:33 <glx> worked well on linux/gcc, segfault with msvc 13:04:35 <TinoDidriksen> #define _SECURE_SCL 0 ? 13:04:52 <Rubidium> heh, there's a MSVC++ that actually is able to find all occurences of a string in a subdirectory? 13:05:32 <Rubidium> it's probably better than Windows' built-in search in files tool though 13:05:35 <TinoDidriksen> The IDE? You can do regexp search across the whole project. 13:06:14 <glx> intellisense doesn't like openttd :) 13:06:23 <glx> especially noai api 13:06:26 <Rubidium> TinoDidriksen: you haven't noticed that the IDE doesn't always return *all* occurences of a searched item? 13:06:56 <TinoDidriksen> Intellisense does needs a kick in the arse every now and then; you often have to delete the *.ncb files to reset it. 13:07:01 <Sacro> I use Visual Assist X for C++ 13:07:07 <Sacro> and ReSharper for C# 13:07:27 <TinoDidriksen> Rubidium, no, haven't had that problem. 13:07:52 <Rubidium> TinoDidriksen: lucky you ;) 13:08:06 *** niblet [potatoe@217-150-46.oke1-bras10.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #openttd 13:09:03 <Sacro> openttd-0.1.zip 13:09:07 <Sacro> seems to have source code in it 13:09:15 <niblet> Hi. I am trying to develop a modded version compatible with 7.1. I am trying to limit a citys growth based on certain parametres, how can I achieve this without causing desync? 13:09:30 <Sacro> niblet: 7.1 isn't out yet 13:09:34 <TrueBrain> somehow the answer: not, comes to mind ;) 13:09:39 <niblet> 1.7, lol 13:09:46 <Sacro> no... 13:09:49 <Belugas> 1.7 neither ;) 13:09:49 <Sacro> 0.7.1? 13:09:52 <TrueBrain> 0.7.1 he means, and you know that Sacro :) 13:09:52 <TinoDidriksen> I'll admit there are some things in MSVC++ you have to work around (such as 2 very important defines, #define _SECURE_SCL 0 and #define _CRT_SECURE_NO_DEPRECATE 1), but once done, it's the best IDE out there and doesn't force you to write Microsoft specific code in any way. 13:09:59 <Sacro> TrueBrain: i have old source :o 13:10:02 <Belugas> ho... a TrueBrain! 13:10:06 <Belugas> hello you 13:10:07 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas 13:10:12 <TrueBrain> sorry for leaving you all alone in that channel :) 13:10:18 <Belugas> lol 13:10:22 <Belugas> no problem :) 13:10:29 <Belugas> i got out finally ;) 13:10:31 <planetmaker> group hug! :) 13:10:34 <Sacro> this source is oso old is it has an 'idascripts' folder 13:10:36 <planetmaker> hello Belugas 13:10:45 <Belugas> hey mister maker 13:10:49 <TrueBrain> Sacro: IDA .. hmm .. useful tool :) 13:10:50 <Sacro> I think this is the one that ludde released first 13:11:07 <Sacro> TrueBrain: this is the kind of thing that should be archived properley :P 13:11:16 <TrueBrain> Sacro: so give it :) 13:11:22 <TrueBrain> we only have binaries from 0.1.1 13:11:27 <Rubidium> Sacro: where did you get that zip? 13:11:33 <Sacro> Rubidium: ludde perhaps :\ 13:11:37 <Sacro> it has the GPLv2 in it 13:11:41 <TrueBrain> 0.1.4 was the first source release we have indexed 13:11:56 <Sacro> looks to be Windows only 13:12:05 <TrueBrain> 0.1.4 was the first MacOSX compatible version 13:12:08 <TrueBrain> the rest is Windows only 13:12:17 <Sacro> errm 13:12:34 <Sacro> 2002-06-30 13:12:43 <Sacro> to 2003-08-14 13:12:55 <TrueBrain> 0.1.1 is from 2004-03-14 13:13:06 <Sacro> this is well before 13:13:19 <Sacro> LICENCE.TXT is 1999-02-03 13:13:20 * welshdragon shoves Sacro in the shower 13:13:34 <TrueBrain> did he work on it that long?! 13:13:39 <Sacro> Looks like it 13:13:46 <Sacro> he posted the url in here ages ago and I snagged a copy 13:13:55 <Sacro> I think it was from him and not from Bjarni 13:13:56 <Rubidium> he just copied the license from something else I guess 13:14:34 <Sacro> looks like it 13:14:51 <Sacro> looks like development started december 02 13:15:05 <Sacro> i wonder if it builds 13:15:07 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: give it already! :P 13:15:25 <Sacro> ooh, VC6 13:15:36 * Sacro goes off to play it 13:15:36 <niblet> *bump* 13:15:47 <welshdragon> niblet, please don't 13:15:52 <welshdragon> it's rude 13:15:53 <Sacro> niblet: make sure you pass it to clients> 13:16:10 <niblet> pass what 13:17:03 <welshdragon> wind :p 13:17:13 <niblet> -.- 13:18:06 <Sacro> niblet: anything that needs changing 13:20:14 <niblet> and where/how would I mod the code in an order that lets me pass city info on to the clients? 13:20:30 <Sacro> TrueBrain: http://www.benwoodward.me.uk/openttd-0.1.zip 13:21:16 <Sacro> ah, it's the same as http://www.tt-forums.net/openttd/openttd-0.1.zip 13:21:21 <Sacro> so nothing special :( 13:21:34 <Ammler> are you able to compile it? 13:21:43 <Sacro> not as yet :( 13:21:51 <Sacro> it was written for the VC6 compiler 13:26:42 <niblet> so assuming I cant acctually limit a towns growth without causing desyncs.. is there a way I can delete new buildings afterwards from the server side and relaying this to the clients somehow? 13:27:48 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:30:36 *** theholyduck [freenode@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:31:28 <petern> 13:53 < Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: there's a warning to not rely on mono/c# because of increased possibility of patent threats <-- from a known free software zealot 13:31:29 <Rubidium> hmm, 0.1 doens't do unix-ish yet :( 13:32:30 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.214.222] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33:05 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: dah ;) 13:34:58 <petern> niblet, no 13:38:46 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:38:46 <niblet> :\ 13:39:52 <TrueBrain> niblet: OpenTTD is not that kind of game :) Clients do all the logic too .. the server only sends out commands made by users ... so you are a bit out of luck there :) (well .. modify the client too, is one solution ;)) 13:40:42 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 13:40:55 <niblet> not a very good solution though 13:42:32 <niblet> I thought there were some random fragments in the town expansion code. I therefor assumed only the server ran this code and then passed on the changes to the clients 13:43:05 <TrueBrain> that is not how OpenTTD works :) 13:43:18 <TrueBrain> random-seed on clients and server are in sync 13:43:24 <TrueBrain> (and a desync happens when they no longer are :p) 13:43:26 <niblet> O_o 13:43:34 <niblet> doesnt sound very random 13:43:43 <TrueBrain> what do you tihnk a random is? 13:43:50 <TrueBrain> you believe a computer generated 'random' number is truly random? 13:44:03 <niblet> I know 13:44:09 <niblet> its just functions 13:44:12 <Rubidium> can you prove something is random? 13:44:27 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: nope :) I can only give you the entropy of a randomize function :) 13:44:44 <Rubidium> and have you heard of "it's too random to be random"? 13:45:00 <TrueBrain> haha :) 13:45:12 <TrueBrain> even humans don't create random numbers :) 13:45:18 <TrueBrain> well .. not truly random anyway :p 13:45:44 <planetmaker> There's a "nice" article on the last Iranian elections. 13:45:47 <TrueBrain> (for a number under the 10, 3 and 7 are most used) 13:45:53 <planetmaker> The vote counts in some districts are "too random" :) 13:46:03 <planetmaker> especially too many 7 :) 13:51:15 <planetmaker> http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wmebane/note22jun2009.pdf 13:54:58 *** Benny [~chatzilla@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:43 <el[cube]> is anyone here familiar with the OHG mod? 13:59:17 *** Zr40_ [~zr40@120-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:02:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.182.121] has joined #openttd 14:03:36 <Noldo> 31 pages of statistical analysis, a bit too much for me 14:03:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.210.199] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:02 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:12:04 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Noldo: it's actually pretty easy... benford's law says "most numbers start with a 1", and then it analyses the spread of the votes, and comes to the conclusion that there are too few 1's and too many 7's 14:27:43 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: well that's about the same as a book where it takes dozen of pages for a guy to pick which pipe to smoke 14:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Noldo: it also tries to associate these inconsistencies to methods of changing 1's to 2's to increase one person's votes and the abundance of 7's to reducing the other person's votes 14:30:57 <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> (for a number under the 10, 3 and 7 are most used) <- i'm not sure if that is only when typing, there it can be related to finger positions on the keyboard 14:32:00 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: I think that's tested by repeating "please give me a number between 3 and 7" to enough people 14:32:53 <Noldo> :D 14:33:00 <Noldo> 0-10 of cource 14:34:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never heard anyone asking for 0 to 10 14:35:02 <Eddi|zuHause> 1 to 10 is common... 14:35:16 <Eddi|zuHause> the majority of the world is not computer scientist ;) 14:35:42 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 14:41:00 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:44:10 <Noldo> :) 14:45:04 <Noldo> now I have to wonder what would the results be if it was 0-9 instead of 1-10 14:52:58 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: no, not while typing: when someone asks you to pick a number between 1 and 10, try 3 first, then 7 14:53:11 <TrueBrain> you have a very high chance of guessing it right 14:53:13 <TrueBrain> Noldo: 0 is not a number :) 14:53:40 <Eddi|zuHause> 0 is the most natural number, but people generally do not believe me... 14:54:01 <TrueBrain> for the longest time in history, 0 didn't exist :) 14:54:09 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 14:54:20 * Rubidium wonders why people dislike me chosing pi 14:54:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, because it is too obvious ;) 14:54:32 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: for the longest time in history humans didn't exist 14:54:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: that is not true, that is pre-history 14:55:06 <Eddi|zuHause> history starts with the appearance of mankind 14:55:12 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: only proving my point here :) 14:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause> history can only lead as far back as there were people who could tell a story 14:56:26 <TrueBrain> so dinos don't exist? :p 14:56:33 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: they do 14:56:38 <SirSquidness> Eddi|zuHause: are we not telling stories through uncovering stuff from millions of years ago? 14:56:41 <Belugas> give me a note between C and B 14:56:53 <SirSquidness> Bsharp 14:57:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: H 14:57:10 <TrueBrain> Belugas: F 14:57:16 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1136683/ <- proves it, as per Eddi's statement that a story about that time exists 14:57:16 <TrueBrain> (high B with low C ;) 14:57:29 <Belugas> Cm7Add4 14:57:48 <Eddi|zuHause> (that is actually true, in the german musical notation, H is the note directly between B and C) 14:58:50 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 14:59:39 <Eddi|zuHause> PS: this is the newest song we are introducing right now (not a recording from us) http://www.mv-reute-gaisbeuren.de/downloads/groenemeyer.wma 15:00:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i did not say there are not stories about it, but at that time there were no story tellers 15:01:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: the times ARE called "prehistoric" 15:01:58 <Eddi|zuHause> as in "before history" 15:02:07 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.2] has joined #openttd 15:02:50 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:16:51 *** FloSoft [bouncer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:46 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff024.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:21:46 *** Benny [~chatzilla@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:25 <niblet> does anyone have a solution for a workaround to my problem? 15:26:33 <TrueBrain> niblet: update the client too 15:26:54 <niblet> it has to be possible to connect to the server with standard clients 15:27:00 <niblet> 0.7.1 15:27:05 <TrueBrain> then you are out of luck .. but we told you that already :) 15:27:14 <niblet> but I digged some and I've seen it done 15:27:18 <TrueBrain> well .. maybe if you ask again in, say, 2 hours, we changed our minds .. I wouldn't bet on it though .. 15:27:47 <niblet> check out "ex's goal - city mania" server 15:27:55 <niblet> if no goods is delivered to a town it stops growing 15:28:04 <Markk> Much better then a owner of a lonely heart 15:28:11 <niblet> and it works with 0.7.1 client 15:29:11 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:30:22 <niblet> it can be done.. somehow 15:30:35 <TrueBrain> well, good luck with it :) 15:30:39 <niblet> ^^ 15:30:40 <niblet> ty 15:31:20 <SmatZ> [17:30:30] <TrueBrain> [15:15:07] SmatZ: give it already! :P <== what happened? 15:31:27 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: wrong name :) 15:31:28 <TrueBrain> happens ;) 15:31:33 <TrueBrain> Sacro .. SmatZ .. so close, with <tab> ;) 15:31:46 <SmatZ> eww :-( 15:32:10 <TrueBrain> so sorry .. 15:32:16 <TrueBrain> didn't want to wake you from your beauty sleep 15:32:19 <SmatZ> :-) 15:32:22 <TrueBrain> (although you are already pretty enough :)) 15:32:28 *** Benny [~chatzilla@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:38 <SmatZ> U wasn't sleeping :) 15:32:50 <Sacro> Firefox 3.5 :D 15:33:10 <Rubidium> niblet: we'd be very interested in how ex does 'it', if he actually does 'it' 15:33:20 <niblet> he does.. Im on the server. it works :) 15:33:35 <TrueBrain> it is a magic bit he flipped 15:33:47 <niblet> he somehow deletes a house after its built if no goods is delivered last month 15:33:59 <niblet> and only new houses.. not old ones that gets rebuilt into something else 15:35:11 <TrueBrain> its a kind of .. magic! 15:35:16 <Rubidium> the only logical explanation for that would be a separate company that does those things 15:35:22 <TrueBrain> a nice AI can do that ;) 15:35:28 <niblet> there is no extra company 15:35:48 <Rubidium> niblet: then ask him, not us who don't know and are just guessing 15:36:05 <niblet> he's not around or I would 15:36:39 <niblet> I dont think an "ai" company would work long term either.. the rating would just drop until it couldnt delete anymore 15:36:54 <TrueBrain> then the server just restarts the AI company :) 15:36:59 <TrueBrain> that the server can do! :) 15:37:06 <niblet> aye.. that could work 15:37:41 <Rubidium> or it's the fact that it's a tropical map which requires water+food for towns 15:38:05 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: ssttt .. that would be silly! 15:38:16 <niblet> yes, but he modded it. 15:38:32 <niblet> once u reach higher population he added requirements to how much food, water and goods u need to deliver for growth not to stop 15:38:37 <niblet> which is genious 15:38:51 <niblet> I just havent figured out how he does the growth stopping part 15:41:00 <petern> look in the source 15:43:23 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEf80c.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:20 <niblet> have tried 15:46:35 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:50:54 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiy127.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 15:52:59 * Belugas send an "Y" and a "O" to niblet 15:53:31 <Rubidium> y? 15:53:51 <Ammler> you 15:54:00 <niblet> :o 15:54:57 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 15:58:01 <Eddi|zuHause> never heard of this mystical "U" person? 15:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause> it's some kind of god(dess)... 15:58:32 <Eddi|zuHause> "i believe in U", you hear people often say 15:59:19 *** Sacro1 [~Ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:59:29 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B803F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:36 <KenjiE20> http://wiki.openttd.org/Town <-- are those dark for everyone in FF3.5 or is just my icc? 16:00:47 <niblet> Eddi: I've never heard that O_o 16:00:56 <niblet> must be a local demi God 16:01:27 <Belugas> "Y O U" 16:01:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83D0A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:01:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:01:45 <Belugas> "Y O U H O U" 16:01:46 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 16:02:05 <Rubidium> youpidou! 16:02:14 <Belugas> Tourlou!! 16:02:36 <Belugas> Blou Bahyhou!!! 16:02:45 <Belugas> Bhoooooouuuu 16:02:53 * niblet sends a used diaper to Belugas 16:05:04 <niblet> is there any way to do actions with a nonexisting company? 16:05:11 <Eddi|zuHause> niblet: i came to such a conclusion a while ago: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=42156&p=772350#p772350 16:05:34 *** Sacro [~Ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:09 <niblet> I see you have given this some serious thought Eddi 16:06:37 * Belugas sends an integer to niblet, you half-Byte! 16:06:48 <niblet> :< 16:07:05 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:07:17 <Belugas> buwhahahaha!!!! 16:07:35 * niblet sends an out of sync packet to Belugas disconnecting him from the server 16:07:38 <niblet> *evil laughter* 16:07:51 <TrueBrain> stupid pizza guy dropped my pizza on the way .. 16:07:57 <petern> i want to go home :/ 16:08:03 <petern> free pizza? 16:08:09 <petern> or sneaked away 16:08:10 * Rubidium laughs at niblet 16:08:31 <TrueBrain> the latter 16:08:33 <TrueBrain> bastard 16:09:30 <Rubidium> "oh, you didn't order a Pizza Trottoire?" 16:09:37 <TrueBrain> :) 16:09:57 <Eddi|zuHause> "Trottoire" doesn't sound very italian ;) 16:10:11 *** Sacro1 [~Ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:10:27 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: neither does Hawai 16:10:36 *** Sacro [~Ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:10:42 <TrueBrain> it does sound French :) 16:11:31 <Rubidium> new owner... it's now called a 'Pizza Marciapiede' 16:13:04 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:04 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 16:20:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16702 /trunk/src/ (driver.cpp video/null_v.h): -Change: don't implicitly fall back to the null/dedicated (video) drivers, but show an error message that no driver could be found. You can still explicitly start the null drivers thought. 16:27:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32:32 *** Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-14-90-115.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:59 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:43:03 *** Sacro [~Ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:43:19 *** Sacro [~Ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:46:52 <LadyHawk> i don't like these aircraft 16:47:13 <LadyHawk> reliability 90%, each one costs 10 mil 16:47:35 <LadyHawk> they make 2.5 mil a pop per year 16:47:49 <LadyHawk> but i have to replace 1-2 every year cuz they keep crashing 16:48:09 <niblet> go with trains instead then :) 16:48:18 <Aali> 90% reliability does not mean they have a 10% chance of crashing at every landing 16:48:34 <LadyHawk> i dont have room to put any tracks 16:48:35 <planetmaker> 0.7% actually. Unless you have too small airports. 16:48:39 <LadyHawk> the map is like 1/2 town 16:48:40 <LadyHawk> XD 16:50:02 <niblet> make tunnels 16:50:03 <niblet> ;) 16:51:40 <LadyHawk> i like how this 2x2 grid town road placement is done 16:51:50 <LadyHawk> each and every town seems to line up perfectly 16:54:03 <niblet> 3x3 ftw 16:54:04 <LadyHawk> woo 2 more down 16:54:12 <LadyHawk> doesnt 3x3 cause a 1 tile gap in the middle? 16:54:32 <niblet> no, and even if it did its better with 1 tile gap than to have all those extra tiles spent on roads 16:54:56 <LadyHawk> good point 16:55:14 <niblet> when you use 2x2 then 5 tiles are spent on road for every 4 tiles of city 16:55:41 <niblet> when you use 3x3 then 6 tiles are spent on road for every 8 or 9 tiles of city 16:55:48 <niblet> ehr, 7 tiles on road 16:55:53 <niblet> but still.. less 16:55:57 <niblet> per city tile 17:01:38 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 17:04:53 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 17:06:46 <Eddi|zuHause> neither properly allows a 2 track rail line through the city 17:07:18 <niblet> what server is this? O_o 17:07:37 <Eddi|zuHause> a 4x4 grid could be useful for housesets that feature lot of 2x2 houses 17:09:50 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:09:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:10:37 <niblet> mmk 17:10:40 <niblet> mr ex has responded 17:10:50 <niblet> who wants to help me reproduce what he did? 17:11:11 <niblet> *sobs* 17:11:18 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 17:11:21 <Eddi|zuHause> context? 17:11:53 <niblet> to stop a city grom growing mr ex is deleting new houses immediately after they are built 17:11:57 <niblet> "I delete them as server ...OWNER_NONE to be more precise, never had problems with desyncs this way." 17:12:06 <niblet> now how and where in the code would I do this? 17:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause> a) you send a docommand like everybody else 17:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause> b) this sounds like an improper check in the clients (possible way to cheat) 17:14:12 <dihedral> it would desync as soon as someone tries to do something with that house again! 17:14:34 <dihedral> or transports passengers from those houses 17:14:44 <TrueBrain> doesn't have to; houses are normally not owned by anyone anyway 17:14:57 <dihedral> but the passenger number exists 17:15:00 <TrueBrain> but yes, it sounds more like a missing validation ;) 17:15:11 <dihedral> and if a new player builds rail where another player has a building.... 17:15:47 <TrueBrain> dihedral: clearly you missed something here ;) We can assume the house is deleted via a DoCommandP, which is sent to all the clients 17:15:53 <TrueBrain> so all players don't have a building 17:15:55 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: if the destruction is sent as a docommand, there is no desync 17:16:05 <niblet> hmm 17:16:41 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, if the hacked server can do this, a hacked client can also do this, and this is cheating 17:17:18 <Eddi|zuHause> (imagine someone destroying a town without having to worry about local authority rating) 17:17:24 <niblet> :o 17:17:51 <niblet> but but.. dont stop this from working! I need it for my imba citybuilder server 17:17:55 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: it is possible only clients accept such packet, but that servers don't :) 17:18:20 <TrueBrain> niblet: I try to convince Microsoft too, that I needed their RPC leak to hack a few more clients for my botnet 17:18:21 <TrueBrain> somehow ... 17:21:28 <Rubidium> clients can't send a command with a company that isn't theirs 17:23:50 <niblet> wee 17:24:01 <niblet> evul botnet here I come 17:24:21 <SmatZ> they can send it, but it will be ignored :) 17:24:27 <petern> TrueBrain, you don't need to convince them :) 17:24:47 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: there are plenty more where those came from :p 17:30:09 <niblet> omagad youre all evil russian haxxors 17:30:29 <niblet> hey a friend of mine were looking to hire a dude with a botnet. any takers? :p 17:31:30 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEf80c.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 17:32:36 <niblet> oh.. Im sorry, didnt see CIA was listening in on the channel :< 17:33:52 <Rubidium> botnets are boring... letting someone famous die makes a much bigger impact and goes without the hassle to find exploits 17:34:29 <niblet> O_o 17:34:46 <Spoons> s/letting/making/ 17:34:59 *** Spoons is now known as FauxFaux 17:35:24 <niblet> wohoo 17:35:27 <niblet> it works! 17:36:56 *** eleusis [~eleusis@124-169-111-4.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:38:44 *** el[cube] [~eleusis@203-59-115-129.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16703 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:46:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 changes by arnaullv 17:46:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 7 changes by elleryq 17:46:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 3 changes by silentStatic 17:46:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 4 changes by Excel20 17:46:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: estonian - 34 changes by kristjans 17:53:33 *** Sacro [~Ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:57:15 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 18:12:39 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:12:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:14 *** niblet is now known as niblet-afk 18:32:34 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-14-90-115.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:11 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 18:51:09 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm217.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:51:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:56:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:59:06 <LadyHawk> is there a way to turn 'omg would you like to have this POS a year early to try it?' off? 19:01:45 <Rubidium> no, but pressing yes and not building the vehicle it makes it less likely you get it for the next vehicles 19:02:29 <LadyHawk> that's too bad 19:02:35 * Belugas does not like POS 19:02:39 <LadyHawk> i can turn all that other popup junk off except for that bit 19:02:56 <SmatZ> why is it a problem? 19:03:15 <SmatZ> it's an advantage to have newer model earlier than others :) 19:03:17 <LadyHawk> because i have a scenario with a town starting at 0 pop unable to build roads 19:03:21 <LadyHawk> so i play on fast forward 19:03:29 <LadyHawk> every second or two i get one of those popups 19:03:32 <LadyHawk> =P 19:04:18 <SmatZ> [21:03:23] <LadyHawk> so i play <== umm, do you really "play"? :) 19:04:38 <SmatZ> are you making some video of that? 19:04:52 <LadyHawk> yeah, the town grows and gives me an opportunity to integrate my transport stuffs into it nicely 19:07:02 <SmatZ> why don't you just grow the city in SE? 19:07:05 <petern> SmatZ is worse than sacro 19:07:16 <LadyHawk> because that isn't cool SmatZ 19:07:27 <SmatZ> petern: can't be! 19:07:48 <SmatZ> TrueBrain mistaken me with Sacro today 19:07:52 <LadyHawk> this way you go in debt until the city is big enough to sustain some form of transport to get your money back 19:07:52 <SmatZ> and now I am even worse... 19:07:55 <planetmaker> :O 19:07:59 <SmatZ> that's a straight downfall 19:08:14 * planetmaker hugs SmatZ (yet again :) ) 19:08:18 <SmatZ> :o) 19:08:45 *** Muxy [~benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:21 <SmatZ> LadyHawk: if you pay your debt in the first month, you won't pay any interest 19:09:22 <SmatZ> but okay 19:09:26 <SmatZ> why am I even asking :) 19:09:31 <LadyHawk> but you still pay something 19:09:35 * SmatZ shuts up to please petern 19:09:38 <LadyHawk> and it takes 2-3 years for the town to grow 19:10:03 <LadyHawk> you stay in debt, you go bankrupth, so the longer you have to wait, the further and faster you'll lose money 19:10:39 <LadyHawk> i think i've just realised something interesting though 19:10:59 <LadyHawk> if the tile the town is placed on doesn't contain a road, its growth is severely slowed 19:11:28 <SmatZ> hmm does it grow at all? 19:11:45 <LadyHawk> only a tiny bit 19:11:48 <LadyHawk> say 1 house every 4 years 19:11:54 <SmatZ> I thought no roads will be built if town's tile is blocked 19:12:18 <LadyHawk> this town is not allowed to build roads, i turned it off lol 19:12:39 <SmatZ> ok :) 19:12:47 <SmatZ> you are strange 19:12:53 <LadyHawk> so i am =) 19:22:40 <Sacro> mmm, strange ladies 19:25:06 <SmatZ> I thought LadyHawk is a girl for a while :-/ 19:26:01 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 19:26:01 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:13 <SmatZ> hello second Fuco 19:26:35 <SmatZ> does your nick has anything in common with Fico? 19:26:46 <`Fuco``> no not really 19:26:49 *** `Fuco`` is now known as Fuco 19:27:27 <Fuco> http://www.narmyslenka.cz/image/200801292058_fico.jpg you mean this one? 19:27:33 <Fuco> quite a fag i must say 19:27:49 <SmatZ> do you know any other Fico? :) 19:28:07 <Fuco> there's one at our school 19:28:10 <Fuco> poor guy 19:28:22 <SmatZ> awww :( 19:30:22 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a fico? 19:30:48 <SmatZ> leader of slovak SMER - Socialna Demokracia (or so :) 19:31:00 <SmatZ> socialist party (probably) 19:31:07 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:08 <SmatZ> the word "socialist" has too bad meaning after all those years under the soviet union 19:32:53 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a big difference between "social democratic" and "socialistic" 19:39:08 <SmatZ> I guess so :) 19:39:18 <SmatZ> hmm 19:39:26 <SmatZ> maybe not 19:44:10 <planetmaker> SmatZ: in German language there is. In English not as clear, I *think* 19:47:54 <Fuco> they are like Party of European Socialists 19:48:58 <Fuco> i think they are even members or something 19:51:07 <SmatZ> http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Socialistick%C3%A1_internacion%C3%A1la they are listed here, but not here ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Socialist_International 19:51:50 <SmatZ> hahah 19:51:53 <SmatZ> they are 19:51:57 <SmatZ> as "Direction - " 19:51:59 <SmatZ> :-D 19:52:13 <SmatZ> translating things like that is silly :-) 19:55:35 <dihedral> does anybody in here use zattoo? 19:55:50 <dihedral> and could possibly tell me the name of the 3.3.4beta deb package? 19:57:47 <dihedral> Ammler? 20:03:47 <Ammler> yes and no :-) 20:04:12 <Ammler> I just downloaded the package from www.zattoo.com 20:09:15 <dihedral> yes, but what was the filename 20:09:23 <dihedral> you cannot download the file via the website anymore for linux 20:09:27 <dihedral> but the file is still there :-P 20:09:32 <dihedral> Ammler, ^ :-) 20:10:02 <Ammler> that was long ago and a rpm 20:10:13 <Ammler> checking, if I have it locally 20:10:31 <dihedral> or the version 20:10:39 <dihedral> under linux they included the revision number :-P 20:11:49 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@client-86-31-37-254.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:50 <Ammler> zattoo-3.3.1.18350-1.i386.rpm 20:12:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16704 /branches/0.7/ (13 files in 9 dirs): 20:12:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 20:12:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: When SDL/Allegro fail to initialise, fall back on another video driver but not to the null driver (r16702, r16700, r16699) 20:12:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Limit the screen's resolution to 65535x65535 so the dirty pixels stay within bounds of a 32 bits integer [FS#3001] (r16701) 20:12:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Missing debug string for ESRB_SAFE_TILE in YAPF debugging helper [FS#3002] (r16690) 20:12:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: When there is no AI version that can load data from the savegame, load the latest version of the same AI instead of a random AI (r16651, r16650, r16649) 20:12:12 <dihedral> there was a 3.3.4beta already 20:12:16 <dihedral> does 3.3.1 work? 20:12:24 <dihedral> because my 3.3.3 install does not 20:12:35 <dihedral> (telling me to download the new version) 20:12:42 <dihedral> and then exits 20:14:22 <Ammler> hmm, I used it in the army time, around half a year ago 20:14:37 <Eddi|zuHause> swiss army? 20:14:54 <Eddi|zuHause> is that like in "Achtung, Fertig, Charlie"? 20:15:34 <Ammler> hehe, almost :-) 20:15:48 <Ammler> well, I am one of the kitchen. 20:16:00 <Rubidium> :O free food 20:16:04 <dihedral> Ammler, can you check for me if that version does a version check or not? 20:16:14 <Ammler> so I don't really know, what "they" do outside ;-) 20:16:25 <Ammler> (or don't care) 20:16:47 <Ammler> dihedral: it did, and redirected me to use a web thing. 20:17:04 <dihedral> yes, ok 20:17:06 <dihedral> crap 20:17:14 <Ammler> indeed. 20:17:20 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-14-90-115.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:26 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 20:17:36 <Ammler> www.wilmaa.com is alternative. 20:17:37 <Eddi|zuHause> what is zattoo anyway? 20:17:47 <petern> tv streaming 20:18:03 <petern> but crap quality 20:18:10 <dihedral> Ammler, only available in ch 20:18:18 <Ammler> oh 20:20:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't seem to carry privately owned channels... only the public ones 20:23:21 <Ammler> it very depense on the country. 20:24:02 <Ammler> in ch, there are many German private channels, but not in Germany, afaik. 20:24:07 <Eddi|zuHause> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Archiv/Zattoo?redirect=no says they changed the streaming format, so the linux client is unable to play it 20:26:16 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 20:27:41 <Ammler> well, I use wilmaa anyway, so the lost of zattoo doesn't hurt. 20:29:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16705 /branches/0.7/src/lang/ (28 files in 2 dirs): [0.7] -Backport: language updates 20:30:05 <Ammler> dihedral: http://watch.zattoo.com is ch only, either? 20:30:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't even know this thing existed, so no loss for me either... 20:30:45 <dihedral> Ammler, the web thing is cpu hungry 20:30:55 <dihedral> way more than the actual app 20:32:19 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, that page you posted, links to version 3.3.3, the change was made in 3.3.4beta - which temporarily was available for linux too 20:32:31 <dihedral> however no longer seems to be 20:35:05 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEf80c.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37:29 *** Muxy [~benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:50 <Eddi|zuHause> after a quick search, i can't help you... 20:46:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:58 <Belugas> cool... my son has a football practice and I cannot be there because someone is not coding fast enough 20:52:00 <Belugas> you hou 20:52:02 <Belugas> shithead 20:53:28 <andythenorth_> tell em to code faster 20:54:04 * planetmaker hugs Belugas 20:54:07 <glx> some people must compile after each code change ;) 20:54:11 <planetmaker> that's a pain. Make them pay 20:54:55 <Belugas> hehe 20:54:59 <Belugas> good one glx :D 20:57:00 <andythenorth_> when I'm managing coders, telling em to code faster *always* works never 20:58:07 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiy127.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 20:58:14 <Eddi|zuHause> # und es ist, es ist ok, 20:58:15 <Eddi|zuHause> # alles auf dem Weg, 20:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause> # und es ist Sonnenzeit, 20:58:18 <Eddi|zuHause> # unbeschwert und frei. 20:58:40 <Rubidium> the eternal... managers break coders with their whining and haste 20:59:20 * Rubidium wonders where the world would be if stuff was released once the engineers/developers are satisfied with the results 20:59:47 <andythenorth_> Rubidium: I'll tell you when it's done. Stop asking questions like that. 20:59:50 <Rubidium> instead of some manegment deadline 21:00:26 <glx> it must be done for yesterday 21:00:27 <Eddi|zuHause> if you spoke german, i could cheer you up, go to google, and search for "Verr?ter Partei" 21:00:31 <Rubidium> especially because such a question disturbs the coder and thus wastes about 30 minutes of effective coding 21:03:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-222-201.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:05:50 <petern> grrrrrrr 21:05:55 * petern hugs Belugas 21:06:06 <petern> i am totally fucked off with "when will it be ready?" :s 21:06:24 * LadyHawk resists the temptation to ask 21:06:35 * LadyHawk doesn't even know what it's about anyway 21:07:25 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 21:07:33 <Belugas> they really don't understand that it's not possible, up until the very last time. And the more they ask, the more stress it gives us and the more error prone creatures we're turning 21:07:37 <dihedral> <glx> some people must compile after each code change ;) <- and some people could do with compiling after every code change 21:10:19 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:12:53 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 21:19:50 <Belugas> i'd rather play, right now, than code or rush 21:20:16 <Belugas> and guess what? tomorrow, it's the national holiday. And guess who is going to work AGAIN? 21:20:31 <Belugas> fuck you very mucgh 21:20:43 <Belugas> better, Rubidium? 21:20:43 <Belugas> hehe 21:21:10 <petern> national holiday? :/ 21:21:16 <petern> please, er, go home early 21:21:20 <petern> not that i'm selfish or anything 21:22:07 <Eddi|zuHause> in what kind of country they can force you to come to work on a holiday? 21:25:11 <frosch123> noone forces you to work on a certain date as long as it is finished when it needs to :) 21:27:20 <dihedral> oh my - i love my job :-) 21:27:31 <andythenorth_> solution! start your own business :) hire some other coders :) turns out you have to work holidays anyway :( 21:27:32 * TrueBrain puts on his recording device 21:27:35 <TrueBrain> dihedral: say what? 21:27:43 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:46 <dihedral> sure it happens that i have to do a weekend or something like that, but then i get the time off :-P 21:27:53 <frosch123> only "big companies" have labour unions and policies to enforce noone is working on weekends or more than 10 hours a day. in "medium companies" noone cares about such stuff, but ohoh you can also more easily deal with holidays and overtime 21:28:10 <dihedral> frosch123, not true 21:28:26 <dihedral> we are like 40 employees 21:28:37 <dihedral> and they take amazing good care of us :-) 21:29:01 <Belugas> [17:21] <@petern> not that i'm selfish or anything <--- lol 21:29:06 <Belugas> i do understand :D 21:29:16 <frosch123> and you have a time-punch machine, that ensures you are not working more than 10 hours? 21:29:30 <dihedral> we can come and go as we like 21:29:37 <dihedral> most of us can anyway 21:29:47 <dihedral> they trust we do our 8 hours 21:29:48 <TrueBrain> besides the dog 21:30:12 <dihedral> if i do more, they believe me, and i dont have to apply for time off 21:30:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:21 <dihedral> unless it's like a few days in a row 21:30:29 <frosch123> same for me 21:30:29 <andythenorth_> dihedral: do you work for me? are you an employee in disguise :D 21:31:21 <dihedral> hell no 21:31:34 <andythenorth_> am I a boss in disguise? 21:31:44 <dihedral> i was just going to ask :-P 21:32:33 <Belugas> Can I kick andythenorth_? he's a boss!!!! ARGGGGHHHH!!!!! 21:32:46 <TrueBrain> Belugas: if that would make you feel better? 21:32:46 <dihedral> but i dont work in the uk so dont be afraid :-P 21:32:54 <Belugas> naaaa... not really 21:33:02 <dihedral> it's the wrong boss :-P 21:33:12 <frosch123> but e.g. here you can choose between 35 and 20 holidays per year with a rate of about 4% more money per 2% more work. so easy guessing which option one chooses, if he has to pay a credit for his house :) 21:33:31 <TrueBrain> @reload openttd 21:33:32 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: The operation succeeded. 21:33:37 <TrueBrain> hmm ... wrong channel .. oh well 21:33:49 <petern> @kick someone 21:33:49 <DorpsGek> petern: Error: someone is not in #openttd. 21:33:51 <andythenorth_> ha, at least I code for fun. I can't code for money any more. It's not enough fun :( 21:33:59 <dihedral> minimum on holiday in de is 24 days 21:34:05 <dihedral> (for a full time job) 21:34:08 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:34:47 <dihedral> but i might go for a 3/4 job ^^ 21:34:53 <dihedral> work 3 months, get one month off :-D 21:35:26 <Eddi|zuHause> an unpaid month off is not necessarily the best thing... 21:35:39 <dihedral> read ;-) 21:35:42 <dihedral> 3/4 job 21:35:47 <TrueBrain> only works if you can save up money :) 21:35:49 <dihedral> then the month off aint unpaid 21:36:15 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i don't understand you... 21:36:20 <dihedral> else it would be a full time job, with unpaid holiday, and that aint what i said :-P 21:36:24 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: you work 40 hours, you get paid 32 hours :p 21:36:35 <TrueBrain> a bit like a teacher ;) 21:36:56 <Belugas> i THINK i'll sneak my boss to GIVE me his berhinger unit, since i'm helping him a lot more than i should 21:37:12 <frosch123> teachers? aren't they like work 60 hours in first 5 years, work 20 hours for the rest? 21:37:19 <Belugas> maybe someting more, if there is anything worth grabbing... 21:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: 1 teaching hour != 1 working hour 21:38:14 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, lessons need preparation! 21:38:18 <TrueBrain> The Watchmen, that movie, has a beautiful intro (music-wise) 21:38:30 <dihedral> exams need correcting 21:39:01 <TrueBrain> the school I worked at, it was 24 hours in class, you worked 40 hours a week on paper, got 32 hours paid, and had 12 weeks holiday in a year 21:39:02 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: yes, and correction of tests, and if you are class leader you have additional time dealing with parents... 21:39:26 <dihedral> uh - yuck - yes 21:39:33 <dihedral> nasty job :-P 21:39:38 <dihedral> nothing i would want to do 21:39:38 <andythenorth_> TrueBrain: we did some work on The Watchmen :) Can't say what, secret :| 21:39:50 <TrueBrain> so don't say it; I don't believe you anyway :) 21:39:53 <frosch123> heh, dealing with parents, I guess that is about as troublesome as dealing with customers :p 21:40:02 <dihedral> worse 21:40:06 <TrueBrain> frosch123: worse; their child is perfect 21:40:08 <andythenorth_> TrueBrain: meh 21:40:25 <frosch123> ok, s/customers/consultants of custom/ 21:40:27 <frosch123> +er 21:40:41 <dihedral> for one thing the child is perfect, for another thing, parents dont see the need to bring up their kids properly but complain when teachers are to harsh 21:40:43 <dihedral> pffft 21:40:55 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: you can't believe some of the stories my mother tells me... 21:41:23 <andythenorth_> customers pay and are reasonable. We fire the ones who don't / aren't. I'd prefer that over parents every day. No way I'd teach 21:41:31 <andythenorth_> my mother was a teacher. and my dad. 21:41:48 <dihedral> a friend of mine is a teacher, she took a knife away from a kid who was playing around with it, and when the mother came to collect it again, she was outraged 21:41:53 <dihedral> "it's only a knife!!" 21:42:31 <TrueBrain> "You hold my child!" - "He was hitting other children" - "You don't have the right to hold my child" - "be glad I didn't smash him to the ground" -- end of discusion 21:42:36 <petern> bring back corporal punishment i say 21:42:48 <andythenorth_> hanging too? 21:42:52 <Belugas> yes yes yes yes! 21:43:05 <Belugas> First ones to be punished are the bosses 21:43:12 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: knives... firecrackers... cheating in tests... the parents always go to the next higher instance complaining... 21:43:34 <Belugas> hehehe DeathMole is blasting in the office ! 21:43:36 <dihedral> of course they do 21:43:38 <Eddi|zuHause> saying it isn't such a big deal... 21:43:40 <Belugas> You'l PAY FOR THAT!!! 21:43:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the teacher is always overreacting 21:44:02 <petern> Deathm?le! :D 21:44:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the next day the kid has firecrackers again... 21:44:18 <petern> MY CHILD WOULD NEVER DO SUCH A THING 21:45:11 <dihedral> LOOK AT HIM/HER/IT 21:45:17 <Belugas> not mine, nope, not mine... Give me that whip, you little brat 21:45:30 <TrueBrain> I once traced a few students which posted deadtreats on a public forum ... the parents kept on saying their children didn't do it, while they already admitted it (after we confronted them) 21:45:35 <TrueBrain> parents ... there is no worse kind ... 21:46:02 <dihedral> you hear that Belugas 21:46:04 <dihedral> :-D 21:47:33 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: the worst kind of children are those, who talk about nin songs at school :p 21:47:54 <andythenorth_> i was that child 21:48:08 <TrueBrain> sure you still aren't? 21:48:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i was at the wrong school for that... 21:48:38 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 21:48:47 <petern> TERRIBLE LIE? 21:48:53 <TrueBrain> capslock? 21:48:59 <frosch123> "kind of children" is a weird term for a german :o 21:49:41 <TrueBrain> I am all out of candy :'( 21:50:06 <Eddi|zuHause> when i was at school, the top bands were "Die Prinzen" and "Ace of Base" 21:50:18 <TrueBrain> I saw the sign! 21:50:25 <andythenorth_> I bought it on iTunes 21:50:49 <andythenorth_> (that was a lie) 21:52:11 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and the upcoming "No Doubt" 21:56:13 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 21:56:38 <Belugas> [17:45] <TrueBrain> parents ... there is no worse kind ... <--- my wife maybe, not me! 21:56:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and your child is the most perfect of all 21:57:04 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57:10 <TrueBrain> and he would never do that 22:03:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff024.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:21 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:03:47 <TrueBrain> really .. I am very suprised with the music in The Watchmen 22:03:55 <TrueBrain> it really does set the mood over and over .. 22:05:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know many films where this is not the case... 22:06:35 <TrueBrain> I know many movies where the music doesn't do much 22:06:42 <TrueBrain> music = songs 22:06:44 <TrueBrain> maybe more clear ;) 22:08:01 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 22:12:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:22 *** marz2 [~marz@pool-70-105-89-144.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:12:34 <marz2> hello 22:13:32 <dihedral> how can we help 22:14:11 <marz2> well i was wondering why the Check Online content button doesn't work on 0.7.1 ( MacOS X 10.5 ) 22:14:29 <dihedral> define "does not work" 22:14:38 <dihedral> do you get an error message? 22:14:41 <Rubidium> doesn't work in what sense? 22:14:59 <marz2> um it doesn't display a list of downloadable content ( i tried to follow the example on the wiki ) 22:15:24 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:24 <dihedral> lets ask another way :-P 22:15:33 <dihedral> did you download a sable build, or is it a patched game 22:15:41 <dihedral> *stable 22:15:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:15:47 <marz2> stable build 0.7.1 from the website 22:15:54 <Rubidium> if it doesn't show a list it hasn't received something yet; if you wait for a while it will probably show that it couldn't connect 22:16:09 <marz2> ah 22:16:11 <marz2> it does 22:16:12 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:16:17 <dihedral> ... 22:16:23 <marz2> is the content server on a specific port? 22:16:33 <Rubidium> 3978 tcp IIRC 22:16:41 <marz2> ah :-) 22:16:48 <marz2> thats what i needed to know :-) 22:18:03 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:08 <marz2> while i'm thinking about it, what is the port for online games? 22:19:28 <Rubidium> 3979 tcp/udp 22:19:45 <Rubidium> and for the master server (the place where you get a list of servers) 3978 udp 22:20:45 <marz2> ok so all ports are 3978 and 3978 :D ty vm 22:21:12 <dihedral> tcp AND udp ;-) 22:21:17 <dihedral> not to forget ;-) 22:28:06 <petern> and rdp! 22:28:14 <marz2> rdp? 22:28:28 <petern> and rsvp! 22:28:35 <marz2> petern: lol 22:28:45 <marz2> well it seems to get a list 22:28:46 <petern> okay 22:28:48 <petern> yeah 22:29:00 <petern> i can't be bothered to list any more random irrelevant protocols 22:29:17 <petern> although i like protocol 139 22:29:25 <petern> it's hip 22:29:25 <marz2> :P 22:29:49 * marz2 lists larp ( loners are right protocal ) 22:30:03 <petern> you made that up 22:30:10 <marz2> yup :) 22:33:47 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-37-254.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]] 22:34:45 <marz2> ty 22:34:48 *** marz2 [~marz@pool-70-105-89-144.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: marz2 has no reason] 22:37:00 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:37:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:04 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause: my child is an angel, of course. what can make you think otherwise??? It's just like me! 22:44:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 22:49:48 <Xaroth> Belugas: maybe because you're far from divine? :P 22:52:18 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EBF91.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:24 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5446443a.lns3-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:17:28 <Belugas> pfff.... 23:17:53 <petern> sup? 23:21:44 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.15.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:34 <rortom> hi 23:22:37 <rortom> sup'? ;) 23:22:40 <petern> having a moment? 23:23:53 <Belugas> not had supper yet, not at home yet 23:24:05 <Belugas> having a little... exasperation blown out 23:24:56 * petern nods 23:25:10 <petern> but you didn't just throw a complete spazz on an irc channel :p 23:26:36 <rortom> petern: you mean me? 23:26:38 <Belugas> :) 23:26:41 <Belugas> not yet! 23:26:44 <petern> well yeha 23:27:42 <Belugas> imagine the drill... I have this new device which interface was finished coded and tested on lab about 2 hours ago. In Toronto. Not in Montreal. The code has been sent out in NewYork, where another device is waiting for testing. 23:27:43 <Belugas> now... 23:27:47 <rortom> petern: for you always :) 23:27:52 <Belugas> it does not work at NY 23:27:59 <Belugas> but does at T 23:28:05 <rortom> D: 23:28:18 <rortom> Belugas: may one ask about what its doing? 23:28:19 <Belugas> and I only have logs to find out the reasons 23:28:27 <petern> shit 23:28:35 <Belugas> i'm calling the M guy and the NY guy like every 3-4 minutes 23:29:28 <petern> and damn, sleepy time :s 23:29:37 <petern> yet again i've done fuck all :s 23:30:40 <rortom> Belugas: good luck with that, such situations are not nice :/ 23:31:12 <petern> rortom, damn you, my irssi windows are all out of whack now 23:31:29 <rortom> because i kicked you? ;) 23:31:39 <petern> window 25 is now 24 23:31:41 <petern> etc 23:31:47 <rortom> we close down #RigsofRods for the moment 23:32:00 <rortom> serious BS happening there 23:32:03 <petern> close down == complete spazz 23:32:08 <rortom> great xD 23:32:15 <petern> seriously 23:32:16 <petern> it's a irc 23:32:18 <petern> get a grip 23:32:22 <rortom> you want to rejoin? ;) 23:32:24 <Belugas> rortom, trying to finalize the deployment of 70 stores, all that is required is the new pinpad to be working 23:32:27 <Belugas> fun fun fun 23:32:29 <Belugas> HELLLLLLLL 23:32:56 <petern> no, i'm going to bed 23:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:08 <Belugas> enjoy bed , petern 23:33:09 <rortom> petern: invited you 23:33:11 <petern> and i'm going to dream of making sweet passionate... music with Belugas, lol 23:33:18 <rortom> x| 23:33:18 <Belugas> lol 23:33:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:37 <rortom> Belugas: ouch 23:34:01 <rortom> good luck with that :/ 23:35:51 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.197.168] has joined #openttd 23:36:31 <petern> oh dear 23:42:29 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.15.16] has joined #openttd 23:54:16 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 23:55:48 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-156-5-103.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:56:18 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.15.16] has quit [Quit: Quit]