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00:06:34 *** orudge` [~orudge@189.87.115.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:52 *** TheStarLion [~isaac@user-54459eb5.lns1-c13.telh.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Now off to cause trouble] 00:10:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226133051.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:11:13 <Akoz> is this: http://pe-trade.net/1.png layout causing a lot of lagg? would it be significantly better to reduce the amount of intersections ? 00:11:38 <Akoz> comparedy to http://pe-trade.net/2.png (if it was equally many tracks) 00:13:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-123-9.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 00:14:22 *** goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-143.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:17:46 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-52-206.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:18:03 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.2.94.189] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0-rc2] 00:27:52 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAEd44a.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:06 <Rubidium> yes 00:30:41 <Rubidium> ofcourse what is "lot", 1 is more expensive CPU wise than 2 00:31:04 <Akoz> right 00:31:31 <Akoz> but it could be like 10-20% at least if I went from 1 to 2 and I have most my trains running the same track?' 00:31:44 <Akoz> guess I have some work in front of me 00:31:48 <Akoz> :-) 00:32:41 <Akoz> the server has 1400 trains now 00:34:18 *** orudge` [~orudge@189.87.115.33] has joined #openttd 00:34:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 00:38:11 <Rubidium> the YAPF pathfinder usually caches stuff from junction to junction. Adding more junctions means smaller caches and more needs to be calculated when finding a path 00:38:11 <Rubidium> e.g. in the first image the train has to choose at least 10 times and it has to consider several times more different paths; even if the destination is straight ahead the signals cause the train to look at the neighbouring routes 00:38:11 <Rubidium> so it will calulcate and then ignore about 30 paths 00:38:11 <Rubidium> with 2 is would need to calculate 3 paths 00:38:11 <Rubidium> and with 1 it has to redo the calculations each time it reaches another junction 00:38:38 <Rubidium> even so, 1400 trains is quite a lot 00:39:05 <Akoz> ^^ 00:39:12 <Akoz> yes and we're not even close to the goal 00:40:12 <Akoz> so it only calculates when it reaches a path signal? 00:40:34 <Rubidium> no, when it reaches a junction 00:40:44 <Akoz> oh, ok 00:40:53 <Rubidium> or even more precise, when it needs to take a decision on a junction 00:41:07 <Aali> well 00:41:26 <Aali> YAPF caches some things per-path (junction) 00:41:30 <Rubidium> which means that those big washboard junctions are quite uhm... unoptimal 00:41:51 <Akoz> washboard junctions ey.. :)ลก 00:42:04 <Akoz> unoptimal for cpu... more optimal for trains 00:42:11 <Akoz> its all about the balance 00:42:21 <Aali> but obviously signals need to be considered every time 00:42:26 *** orudge` [~orudge@189.87.115.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:52 <Akoz> so if theres signals every 1 step of the way (with no junctions) that takes quite some cpu as well? 00:43:17 <Rubidium> yes, but that's due to updating signal blocks 00:43:52 <Akoz> btw paths are then calculated over and over again for each decision.. theres no storage at all? 00:44:13 <Rubidium> Aali: YAPF doesn't cache paths through junctions 00:44:22 <Aali> Rubidium: of course 00:44:59 <Aali> but, straight lines (no junctions) cannot be cached entirely either, because of the signals 00:45:04 <Aali> that was my point 00:45:29 <Rubidium> Aali: they can because after a few signals the signals are ignored 00:46:05 <Rubidium> ignored for path cost calculations 00:53:34 *** KingJ is now known as kingj 00:56:38 *** delazari [bd649c9d@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:57:12 *** delazari [bd649c9d@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 00:57:14 *** elmex_ [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 01:00:22 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:00:39 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 01:01:24 <Akoz> how come one keeps getting more and more "unable to load save game" and "network sync errors" the longer the game you try to join has run? 01:01:27 <Akoz> and is there any workarounds? 01:02:02 <glx> modified server/client ? 01:02:44 <Akoz> aye 01:02:53 <Akoz> doesnt happen during gameplay though 01:02:56 <Akoz> only on-join 01:03:03 <Akoz> and only on late games 01:03:09 <Akoz> big games.. big load files 01:03:09 <glx> so something is not saved when it should 01:03:24 <Akoz> hmm 01:04:25 <Akoz> the clients arent modified in any way.. nor is anything to do with the savegame stuff 01:04:40 <Akoz> is this unheard of in unmodified server/clients? 01:06:05 <glx> the rule is simple, clients and server should do exactly the same and have the same state (map, cached values, ...) 01:07:27 <Akoz> afaik it has though.. all I've modified is added some extra stored values for the server only, and then I interrupt some command packages, and send some 01:07:47 <Akoz> nothing that should interfer with basic game play 01:08:00 <Akoz> or in the savefiles I mean 01:08:52 <glx> anyway sync errors are the hardest to debug 01:09:12 <Akoz> how about "unable to load savegame" ? 01:11:21 <glx> can be for many reasons, more details are available with sl debug_level (I don't know the minimum level required though) 01:12:10 <Akoz> worth a shot. thx 01:12:45 <Akoz> do u know the cmd to turn off the "queried from" debug msgs? 01:13:01 <glx> debug_level net0 01:13:11 <Akoz> ty 01:14:18 <Akoz> is there a way to turn off chat ? 01:14:40 <glx> probably not 01:15:48 *** reldred [~Richard_E@115.131.206.20] has joined #openttd 01:20:19 <glx> indeed not 01:21:02 <Akoz> np 01:58:13 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-52-206.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:07:09 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 02:24:41 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@120.18.93.116] has joined #openttd 02:26:18 *** reldred [~Richard_E@115.131.206.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:45:30 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 02:46:36 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d12f:d2ab:3a3:7276] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:57:27 *** sdafsdf [~here@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 02:57:27 *** LadyHawk [~here@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57:37 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 03:08:12 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:42 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:35:18 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 03:38:57 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:57 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:48:47 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:13:36 *** Nebri [~ryan@dhcp-0-c-6e-26-56-3.cpe.quickclic.net] has joined #openttd 04:14:00 <Nebri> hey guys 04:14:18 <Nebri> anybody know of some good stragety guides for new players? 04:46:26 *** Nebri [~ryan@dhcp-0-c-6e-26-56-3.cpe.quickclic.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:47:40 *** NeO_Anderson [~Founder@194.50.80.117] has quit [Quit: Dispatch, I got a 10-67. 10-23, over.] 05:39:59 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 05:42:07 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:04:54 *** Huriance [~Huriance@80-235-54-62-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 06:06:12 <Huriance> hey 06:08:02 <Noldo> hi 06:08:29 <Huriance> whats up? 06:09:12 <Forked> urgh. cellphone with wlan and a browser.. using wikipedia while on the toilet makes your legs fall asleep since you sit too long 06:09:49 <Huriance> :P 06:18:28 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177237047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 06:19:58 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-81-45.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #openttd 06:32:25 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:36:07 *** Huriance [~Huriance@80-235-54-62-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 07:35:30 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 08:31:02 *** [_-|t|d|e|v|-_] [~udev@p508EBCCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:31:40 *** [_-|t|d|e|v|-_] [~udev@p508EBCCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 08:32:02 *** tdev [~udev@p508EBCCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:07:54 <SmatZ> wow, just received kernel panic 09:10:06 <TrueBrain> concratz :) 09:10:14 <TrueBrain> you sent something back? :) 09:10:42 <SmatZ> I am working in GUI, all I saw was blinking KB LEDs 09:10:49 <SmatZ> too bad I couldn't switch to console :( 09:10:55 <SmatZ> I would send back the report ;) 09:25:22 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80EC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:27:29 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:27:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80D35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:27:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:28:52 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd44a.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:39:24 *** eleusis [~eleusis@203-59-160-10.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:41:14 *** el[cube] [~eleusis@203-206-79-191.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:44:04 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.194.209] has joined #openttd 09:46:15 *** TT1a1a1 [~mIRC@5ad4d711.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: He who asks a question may be a fool for five minutes, but he who never asks a question remains a fool forever] 09:53:32 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-81-45.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58:10 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06:56 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:11:22 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 10:15:29 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5af1d35b.tcl126.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:23:27 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 10:38:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r16856 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Fix: Allow the rail toobar window to align vertically for larger sprites. 10:56:41 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 11:03:25 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.1.253.137] has joined #openttd 11:06:07 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db08f4e.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:21:57 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm9.epsilon180.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:22:04 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5af1d35b.tcl126.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:22:19 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@90.241.211.91] has joined #openttd 11:23:13 <SmatZ> hmm, Firefox 3.5 officially needs at least 233MHz CPU... I tried that :-/ 11:25:01 <Rubidium> and, they lied didn't they? 11:26:22 <Rubidium> cause I can find no reason how to limit for processors of at least 233 MHz 11:26:39 <Rubidium> (or why, except for slowliness) 11:28:30 <SmatZ> :) 11:28:39 <SmatZ> actually, I was running it at 200MHz CPU 11:28:47 <Rubidium> if they would've said 125 MHz or 500 MHz I could've believed them 11:28:50 <SmatZ> maybe it would be magically 10 times faster at 233MHz... 11:29:02 <SmatZ> well, it works 11:29:04 <SmatZ> it starts 11:29:16 <SmatZ> but it takes ~15 seconds to start 11:29:22 <Rubidium> SmatZ: MMX? 11:29:28 <SmatZ> yes 11:30:19 <Rubidium> hmm, there's a non-MMX 233 MHz Pentium proc too, so that can't be it either 11:30:54 <SmatZ> :) 11:31:21 <SmatZ> maybe even regular 80486 (maybe even 386 if FF doesn't need recent glibc) would suffice to "run" 11:33:38 <Rubidium> SmatZ: just get eglibc ;) 11:33:51 <SmatZ> :o) 11:34:55 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226193136.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:37:32 <Rubidium> SmatZ: ~15 seconds doesn't sound that much; with Windows it seems to be much worse with 3.5 11:40:41 <SmatZ> :-p 11:51:53 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c512:7a42:b086:e2d9] has joined #openttd 11:51:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:03:51 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@120.18.93.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:58 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 12:18:50 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@184.100-67-202.dart.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:38:33 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:40:05 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:42 <Belugas> hellooo 12:47:29 <Akoz> hellooo 12:47:51 <Akoz> oh Im sorry.. I thought u were talking to me 12:48:49 <Alberth> he is, he is probably also doing other things, and not constantly watching the irc 12:49:15 <Akoz> other things than irc? how dare he! 12:49:29 <Alberth> it's called 'work' 12:50:12 <Akoz> never head of 12:54:05 <Akoz> *heard 12:58:36 <Belugas> YOU 12:58:44 <Belugas> not "u" 12:58:46 <Belugas> please 12:59:20 <Belugas> well.. indeed, i have a family to take care of, and work@work is my (sadly) prioroty after family 12:59:21 <Belugas> so... 13:01:12 <Ammler> Gr??zi 13:02:02 <Ammler> translator counter for gws: 2 :-) 13:03:48 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:10:29 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 13:18:16 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: reboot] 13:22:11 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:22:42 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 13:24:20 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 13:28:32 <glx> @op 13:28:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o glx] by DorpsGek 13:28:46 *** glx changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.7.1, 0.7.2-RC1 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only :D 13:28:50 <glx> @deop 13:28:53 *** mode/#openttd [-o glx] by DorpsGek 13:30:54 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 13:45:18 *** ShadniX [shadow1st@b045.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Quit: Rebooting...] 13:47:18 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: brb] 13:51:00 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 13:52:55 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:54:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16857 /trunk/src/ (saveload/afterload.cpp train.h train_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#3036](r16652): crash when train partially in depot crashed 14:04:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.190.20] has joined #openttd 14:08:17 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.194.209] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11:38 *** tdev [~udev@p508EBCCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 14:11:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.182.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:17:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:30:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F3EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:36 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 15:20:11 <Akoz> @op 15:20:13 <Akoz> *cry* 15:23:19 <Alberth> be glad, with power comes responsibility which makes life much more complicated. 15:23:38 <Akoz> ^^ 15:24:00 <SmatZ> :) 15:24:22 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by DorpsGek 15:24:26 <Akoz> hihi 15:24:50 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEBAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:25:09 * Alberth wouldn't know what to do with that power :) 15:25:22 *** orudge` [~orudge@189.87.115.33] has joined #openttd 15:25:25 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 15:26:34 <Akoz> depends if ou want to be liked or not. 15:26:42 <Akoz> you can try /kick *.* if you want to amuse yourself 15:27:48 <SmatZ> wildcards work in /kick ? 15:28:22 <SmatZ> @kick Akoz* wildcards 15:28:22 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Error: Akoz* is not in #openttd. 15:28:30 <SmatZ> hmm not this way 15:29:02 <Akoz> hmm.. dno 15:29:24 <Akoz> I havent used irc activly for 12 years or so 15:29:48 <Akoz> try kick *akoz*.* 15:30:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by DorpsGek 15:30:23 <SmatZ> nope 15:30:34 <SmatZ> it works for bans though :) 15:30:47 <Akoz> *akoz*@*.* ? 15:31:00 <Akoz> hmh.. well I wouldnt want you to try that.. :p 15:31:03 <SmatZ> :) 15:31:31 <Akoz> I'll take your word for it ;) 15:36:35 * Belugas grabs the word, puts it in his coat and runs away 15:36:47 <SmatZ> :o) 15:41:02 <Akoz> oh noes. he stole the word! 15:41:16 <Akoz> back to notepad :< 15:43:16 <Alberth> Let him have word, use LaTeX instead 15:46:21 <Akoz> I suppose 16:08:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80D35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. 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They are - naturally - drawn as diagonal rectangular boxes. When the smallmap is partly redrawn (for example when another window overlaps it) an orthogonal rectangular box is passed via _cur_dpi. If a vehicle is partly in that box and just moving out I get ugly artifacts. Does anyone have a spontaneous idea on how to prevent that? 18:44:17 <Rubidium> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/6578 http://www.openttd.org/en/server/7290 <- use Japanese stuff 18:44:29 <Rubidium> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/5 <- uses ECS 18:44:37 <frosch123> but indeed, most 0.7.1 serves use generic trams 18:44:39 <SmatZ> hehe @ Rubidium 18:44:39 <SmatZ> Fix TTD grf Bugs 18:44:39 <SmatZ> 54560202 82E873A57BC19B24F0AE8D1EC6A6E30B 18:44:40 <SmatZ> why are they using it 18:44:42 <Ammler> Rubidium: it uses a buggy 2cc :-) 18:44:45 <Rubidium> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/27 <- another bunch of NewGRFs 18:45:04 <Rubidium> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/148 <- Ofcourse Czech stuff isn't counted either by Ammler 18:45:12 <SmatZ> fonsinchen: umm don't implement zooming-in? :-x 18:45:22 <Ammler> Rubidium: it is good :P 18:45:22 <fonsinchen> I need zoom in for cargodist 18:45:29 <Rubidium> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/10168 <- or North American 18:45:39 <fonsinchen> That's the whole point of the exercise 18:45:39 <SmatZ> yeah, but you are making me hard times splitting that FS patch :) 18:45:45 <Rubidium> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/159 <- or DB Set Ancient 18:46:11 <fonsinchen> Just set the limit in OnClick to ZOOM_LVL_NORMAL instead of -ZOOM_LVL_MAX 18:46:11 <Rubidium> and that's ONLY the 0.7.1 servers 18:46:16 <fonsinchen> one line 18:46:34 <fonsinchen> oh, actually in ZoomIn I gues 18:46:48 <fonsinchen> but wait a minute, I have an improved version. 18:46:54 <Rubidium> SmatZ: they are using it because they are ignorant and because Addi added it to bananas for no reason 18:46:57 <Ammler> Rubidium: so 10% use newgrfs? 18:47:04 <fonsinchen> Just need to sort out that one problem ... 18:47:56 <Rubidium> Ammler: no idea, I haven't counted and can't be bothered to do that 18:50:57 <fonsinchen> Smatz, I have pushed a new version into my git repository at http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/openttd.git. It documents some more things in DrawSmallmap and DrawSmallmapStuff and it makes absolutely sure that DrawSmallmapStuff doesn't draw outside its dpi. This used to create some artifacts. 18:51:05 <fonsinchen> Also the code looks better now. 18:51:35 <Belugas> IN TRUNK! 18:51:49 <fonsinchen> ? 18:52:18 <Belugas> nevermind... 18:52:24 <Belugas> sanity has dropped on the floor 18:52:32 <frosch123> fonsinchen: it's friday 18:52:36 <fonsinchen> I can't solve the issue with half-drawn vehicles on zoom-in now, as I have to leave in 10 Minutes 18:53:13 <fonsinchen> And I'd like to remind you of tile iteration and diagonal levelling which is also in my git repository and always up to date with trunk. 18:53:21 <SmatZ> fonsinchen: nice set of patches 18:53:44 <fonsinchen> thanks 18:59:58 <fonsinchen> bye 19:01:22 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd44a.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04:03 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: I have better plans. 19:04:56 * KenjiE20 points to the other channel 19:05:06 <KenjiE20> :P 19:05:23 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: stop this confusing 19:05:56 <Prof_Frink> KenjiE20: Sacro's not in the other channel. 19:06:24 <KenjiE20> no wait... you're not in the other channel 19:06:34 <Sacro> no, i'm banned from the other channel 19:06:40 * KenjiE20 is confused now 19:06:43 <Sacro> or i was 19:07:37 <Sacro> KenjiE20: there is 'another channel', i am aware of its existence but have not been invited to join it 19:07:50 <KenjiE20> ah 19:07:56 <Sacro> suffice to say there are possibly some people in there that don't wish for me to be there 19:08:04 <KenjiE20> I was thinking #openttd and #tycoon alter-verses 19:08:16 <Prof_Frink> #tywhatnow? 19:09:59 <Sacro> hmm 19:12:42 *** Boombox [~Boombox@pool-71-166-54-212.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:31 <Boombox> Hello 19:13:50 *** Boombox [~Boombox@pool-71-166-54-212.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 19:14:03 *** Boombox [~Boombox@pool-71-166-54-212.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:16:46 <Alberth> hello Boombox 19:29:28 <Belugas> heheh Boombox is not a loud box 19:29:31 <Belugas> buwhahahah!!! 19:30:00 <Akoz> what do I do wrong when I get error C2471: cannot update program database '...\objs\win32\debug\openttd.pdb' ...\src\rev.cpp when compiling? 19:31:52 <glx> do a full rebuild 19:33:35 *** Boombox [~Boombox@pool-71-166-54-212.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has left #openttd [] 19:34:57 <Alberth> You scared him away 19:38:33 *** orudge` [~orudge@189.87.115.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:52 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:41:59 *** orudge` [~orudge@189.87.115.33] has joined #openttd 19:42:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 19:44:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16859 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: split the Station struct into two so parts of it can be reused for Waypoints. 19:49:38 <Belugas> heheh... would not be he first time, i guess :) 19:53:49 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:00:56 <SpComb> structure-oriented programming 20:07:33 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:12:21 *** Zr40_ [~zr40@120-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #openttd 20:13:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-103-184.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:16:23 *** Zr40 [~zr40@120-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16860 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: introduce a helper to assign a station spec to Waypoints 20:22:35 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:27:08 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:31 <Belugas> bye 20:29:35 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@lincdhcp23635.linc.ox.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:30:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16861 /trunk/src/ (station.cpp station_base.h): -Codechange: move a few more bits from station to basestation (to be shared with waypoints) 20:38:01 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 20:40:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16862 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: make waypoints use the same system of station station spec lists. 20:44:46 <Ammler> waypoints over multiple lines now? 20:45:42 <Rubidium> no? 20:47:39 <planetmaker> not yet :-) ... but newgrf waypoints maybe? hm... 20:51:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16863 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: GetWaypointByTile -> Waypoint::GetByTile, like used for e.g. stations 20:52:06 <Ammler> now? 20:52:08 <Ammler> :-D 20:52:20 <Rubidium> you earned it ;) 20:52:43 <planetmaker> :O 20:52:43 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:53:13 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:53:26 <Rubidium> hi Nite_Owl 20:53:35 <SmatZ> hello Nite_Owl 20:53:53 <Nite_Owl> Hello Rubidium & SmatZ 20:54:05 <planetmaker> hi Nite_Owl 20:54:24 <Nite_Owl> Hello planetmaker 20:54:26 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@lincdhcp23635.linc.ox.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:33 * planetmaker goes compiling... I wanna see what waypoints do now :) 20:54:49 <Rubidium> nothing different 20:55:01 <Rubidium> except possibly crash 20:55:09 <planetmaker> well :-) I don't expect them to be different with orders, but :-) 20:55:44 <planetmaker> Should I find a crash... well, not what I hope for, but alas, also useful 20:58:56 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@90.241.211.91] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:11 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:04:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-123-9.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:06:08 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:06:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16864 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: make Waypoints a subclass of BaseStation. 21:06:53 <glx> planetmaker: you won't have enough time to find crashes between commits ;) 21:07:02 <planetmaker> :-) 21:07:14 <planetmaker> glx, there are way worse things in life. 21:07:42 <planetmaker> And I certainly don't want to stop one of you, if you're in a commit frenzy or spree :P 21:07:56 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:09 *** rajeev [~rajeev@174-17-74-62.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 21:19:19 *** rajeev [~rajeev@174-17-74-62.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21:12 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:40 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@95-25-103-184.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:24:40 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-103-184.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:41 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 21:36:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r16865 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_airport.hpp ai_order.hpp ai_road.hpp ai_vehicle.hpp): -Doc [NoAI] [FS#3037]: replace old exception names with current ones and fix a type in the noai documentation (patch by Chruker) 21:37:02 <Chruker> wheeeee 21:39:31 <SmatZ> VEHCILE :) 21:41:33 *** orudge` [~orudge@189.87.115.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:27 *** orudge` [~orudge@189.87.115.33] has joined #openttd 21:42:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 21:42:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F3EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:46:09 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r16866 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_vehicle.hpp.sq: -Fix (r16865): forgot to run squirrel_export.sh 21:57:30 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 22:00:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r16867 /trunk/src/ (9 files): -Feature(ette): Turn variable 0E/8E (vertical offset for trains in depot) and variable 1E/9E bit 3 (wagon width in depot) into grf-local variables. 22:00:56 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:11 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:57 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:01 *** KUDr [~doctor@203.253.broadband9.iol.cz] has quit [] 22:29:43 *** Abenhor [~Abenhor@85.137.237.180.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 22:37:53 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 22:38:26 <Coco-Banana-Man> Is there somewhere a sound or video file with those funny horn sound of (at least the early) UKRS diesels? :D 22:43:09 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 22:47:13 <Nite_Owl> I will not swear to this but would they not have to be part of the NewGrf 22:47:52 <Nite_Owl> so if you decoded the NewGrf would they not be there 22:47:52 <DaleStan> Nite_Owl is correct. The sound file is embedded in the GRF. 22:49:22 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:35 *** DJ-Burtybob [burtybob@92.22.75.113] has joined #openttd 22:49:46 <DJ-Burtybob> hi all 22:50:07 <Nite_Owl> Hello DJ-Burtybob 22:50:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-103-184.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:50:13 <Yexo> hello DJ-Burtybob 22:50:50 <DJ-Burtybob> just a quick question. would an error of "error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _u_shapeArabic_4_0" at linking be todo with the openttd useful zip?? 22:51:24 <Rubidium> did you update useful.zip? 22:51:32 <Rubidium> if so, try a full rebuild 22:51:56 <Rubidium> or at least force a rebuild of fontcache.cpp (I think) 22:52:02 <DJ-Burtybob> Yes it is a fresh set up with the latest openttd useful download from the ottd dot org site... 22:52:21 <DJ-Burtybob> hmm the file that is chucking the error is gfx.obj 22:52:44 <Rubidium> oh, gfx.cpp then 22:53:00 <DJ-Burtybob> ok thanks I will try that now :D 22:56:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc0ce.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:54 *** KUDr [~doctor@203.253.broadband9.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 23:03:21 <Nite_Owl> Need to feed - later all 23:03:29 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:18:59 <DJ-Burtybob> Ok now its erroring on "src\network\core\address.cpp(101) : error C2065: 'AI_ADDRCONFIG' : undeclared identifier" and this was a clean checkout 23:21:41 <Rubidium> you need a newer platform SDK 23:24:21 <DJ-Burtybob> ok thanks 23:30:49 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 23:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7710A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:38:05 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 23:47:31 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 23:48:42 *** DJ-Burtybob [burtybob@92.22.75.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:49:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-123-9.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss]