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00:12:43 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@p54972A4B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:13:19 <Roujin> hello to any soul who might happen to be here at such a time 00:13:26 <OwenS> me :P 00:13:33 <OwenS> And hello 00:15:34 <Roujin> straight to the stupid question I was going to ask: is it a bad idea to quote (or fully use) the ending song of valve software's Portal in a NoAI that's going to be GPL'ed? 00:15:58 <glx> probably 00:16:11 <glx> anyway the cake is a lie 00:16:32 <Roujin> for both options "quote (partially)" and "fully use" ? 00:16:34 <OwenS> The cake is not a lie. But it is very squicky 00:16:52 <Roujin> and how probable is "probably", anyway? ;) 00:17:07 <glx> better not quote it at all 00:18:35 <OwenS> What would an AI need to quote it for anyway? O_o 00:18:35 <Roujin> aww, that's sad. Then I can't have my AI write "I'm still alive" in its main loop, because that would be a quote of that song? 00:18:35 <OwenS> Or is this AI called GLaDOS? 00:18:35 <Roujin> ;) 00:18:35 <OwenS> I'm still alive would be fine - probably noncopyrightable and at the least fair use :p 00:18:35 <Roujin> OwenS: haha, no, but that's an awesome idea ^^ 00:18:49 <OwenS> Your intention was to have it slowly quote the song wasn't it? :p 00:19:56 <Roujin> yup. Instead of just posting "I'm still alive" over and over ;) But with the concern glx wrote, seems I'll take that out before any public release.. 00:20:55 <OwenS> Is it legal? No. Would you be sued? Probably not. 00:28:34 <OwenS> The trouble with transitioning something to a proper open source project is you end up with ~23 line (X11 license) license boilerplate in each file... 00:28:34 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 00:28:53 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.99.120] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3] 00:29:28 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA51D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:38:00 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:38:25 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 00:39:13 * Chruker swings a mouse in front of the owl 00:39:33 <Nite_Owl> Hello Chruker 00:53:41 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [Quit: I don't love RPharazon] 00:58:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C19.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C19.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:59:27 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:01:39 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:07 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 01:07:35 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-154-217-48.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:33 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DD95D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:49 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DF0B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:45:34 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 01:47:08 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 01:47:33 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DF0B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Raubgut ist vom Umtausch ausgeschlossen!] 01:53:22 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 01:55:25 *** Utvik [~autvik@bjo2-1x-dhcp133.studby.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Utvik] 02:04:09 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:06:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.202.226] has joined #openttd 02:09:20 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 02:12:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.169.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:37 <PeterT> @seen yorick 02:15:37 <DorpsGek> PeterT: yorick was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <yorick> also, don't listen to me 02:16:00 <PeterT> has anyone had luck with compiling on vc++ 02:27:00 *** Elton01330 [~Delphi@189.82.129.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:29:35 *** Utvik [~autvik@bjo2-1x-dhcp133.studby.uio.no] has joined #openttd 02:44:03 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:44:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.202.226] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:52:57 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c000:8ecc:de5:bde6] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:01:38 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@115.131.211.216] has joined #openttd 03:09:29 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:11:57 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:58 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:23:53 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39:13 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:18 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:36:30 *** anthy [~DoctorX29@196.202.72.2] has joined #openttd 04:36:31 *** anthy [~DoctorX29@196.202.72.2] has left #openttd [] 04:39:45 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@115.131.211.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:51 *** anthy [~DoctorX29@196.202.72.2] has joined #openttd 04:56:52 *** anthy [~DoctorX29@196.202.72.2] has left #openttd [http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/9BJLF7DJ/psyBNC_1.rar_links] 05:05:12 *** anthy [~DoctorX29@196.202.72.2] has joined #openttd 05:05:13 <anthy> Install this on a couple computers for me! http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/9BJLF7DJ/psyBNC_1.rar_links 05:05:13 *** anthy [~DoctorX29@196.202.72.2] has left #openttd [http://qooy.com/files/VSJMOD7R/psyBNC.rar] 05:13:30 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13:49 <Zuu> "Install this on a couple computers for me" sounds like a bad virus email joke :-) 05:28:33 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 05:34:14 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0DC8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 05:42:59 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:58:30 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.59] has joined #openttd 05:59:12 *** Utvik [~autvik@bjo2-1x-dhcp133.studby.uio.no] has left #openttd [] 06:00:09 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@ti0034a380-1631.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 06:00:17 <Terkhen> hello 06:01:29 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:01:45 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 06:03:34 <Zuu> Hello 06:19:25 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 06:19:30 <pavel1269> good morning 06:20:27 <Xaroth> o/ 06:34:04 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 06:43:03 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:45:45 *** ^spike^ [~spike@dhcp-077-251-090-192.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:52:18 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.59] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:05:06 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 07:16:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 07:18:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 07:18:45 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@p54972A4B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Quit messages are annoying and useless.] 07:26:20 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:39:02 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 07:51:07 *** reldred1 [~reldred@115.131.198.53] has joined #openttd 08:02:51 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-154-217-48.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:09:19 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 08:11:05 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 08:52:13 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8e24.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:08:41 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@49.26-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 09:17:10 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:23:29 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:23:29 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:30 *** TinoDid [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:23:32 *** TinoDid is now known as TinoDidriksen 09:39:55 <fonsinchen> Is there a way to find out about the length of a string before actually drawing it? So that I can decide if I have to break a line. 09:42:03 <fonsinchen> Ah, I see ... GetStringBoundingBox. Sorry for the stupid question. 09:42:10 <TrueBrain> ;) 09:42:13 <TrueBrain> we forigve you :p 09:50:09 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db030c0.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:13:36 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:28:30 *** ^spike^ is now known as ^Spike^ 10:33:34 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA3A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:39:07 * OwenS wonders if the engineers coming with his new broadband equipment will be on time (They have 21 minutes) 10:39:12 <TrueBrain> blathijs: is it possible via LDAP to have ssh keys? Or do they need to be in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys? 10:39:19 <TrueBrain> tick tack 10:39:44 <OwenS> TrueBrain: I'd assume that SSH doesn't touch LDAP and for this sort of thing assumes NFS usage :p 10:40:14 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: since when are people like this ever on time? 10:40:35 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Very good question :p 10:40:39 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Dunno, haven't tried that 10:41:03 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Debian stores ssh keys in LDAP, but I think they write out authorized_keys files on changes 10:41:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.16.218] has joined #openttd 10:42:16 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: They're on time if you're the first job of the day. If you're not, they're probably late :p 10:42:42 <Eddi|zuHause> but would the first job not be around 8 to 9-ish? 10:43:24 <OwenS> It would :p 10:43:33 <OwenS> (Though they said "any time between 8 and 12") 10:50:10 <OwenS> Actually, they are on time... when you're not :p 10:51:00 <TrueBrain> blathijs: well, in the ideal situation 1 developer can login to several VPSes with 1 key .. and sharing them outside the VPSes is tricky ;) 10:52:52 <blathijs> TrueBrain: What do you mean with "outside the VPSes" ? 10:53:09 <blathijs> I have shared homedirs for all my vservers, but that's probably not ideal from a security pov 10:53:10 <TrueBrain> blathijs: well, 2 VPSes, shared accounts via LDAP (and their authentication) 10:53:15 <TrueBrain> exactly 10:53:48 <blathijs> But I don't think that openssh has any direct LDAP code, it only talks to LDAP through PAM 10:53:59 <TrueBrain> k .. tnx :) 10:54:16 <blathijs> and I don't think PAM can handle key auth (though perhaps GSSAPI does something similar perhaps, with pam_kerberos or something?) 10:55:02 <TrueBrain> well, I think I will make a simple way which generates those files 10:55:18 <OwenS> Kerberos would require your local machine be configured for Kerberos... eww 10:59:08 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: On time :P 11:02:10 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:13:13 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: I doubt you can use SSH keys with LDAP.. 11:13:31 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: blathijs already told me, yes :p 11:14:08 <Xaroth> why SSH keys? 11:14:11 <Xaroth> if you're already using LDAP 11:14:27 <TrueBrain> why an apple, if you have an house! 11:14:38 <TrueBrain> :p 11:14:56 <TrueBrain> those 2 entries are not really related to eachother, other than they supply authentication :) 11:15:00 <TrueBrain> one only password less 11:15:35 <petern> i want to have ssh keys AND system passwords :s 11:15:50 <petern> probably some way of setting that up, but i've not found it 11:16:23 <Xaroth> petern: AND authentication instead of OR ? 11:16:35 <petern> .. 11:16:36 <petern> yes 11:16:43 <petern> both 11:16:45 <petern> together 11:16:46 <TrueBrain> client-side certificates 11:16:54 <TrueBrain> keyphrased protected keys 11:16:58 <Noldo> one time paswords too 11:20:13 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F8D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:49:49 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d4bf:d9a5:fb68:8f23] has joined #openttd 11:49:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:05:49 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176250230.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:22:12 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 12:22:46 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@49.26-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23:40 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@54.19-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 12:46:49 *** Dotted [~Dotted@84.238.80.185] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 12:59:29 *** green-devil [Lisby@d40a9d6d.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 12:59:40 *** green-devil [Lisby@d40a9d6d.rev.stofanet.dk] has left #openttd [] 12:59:59 *** green-devil [Lisby@d40a9d6d.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 13:11:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i can't properly set up two screens 13:12:30 <Sacro> oh dear 13:13:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i can choose "clone display 1" which works, but when i choose "extend desktop", it sets the resolution to 1024x480 13:14:05 <glx> ATI ? 13:14:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah 13:15:33 <glx> I know how to configure an ATI card 13:16:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it's only temporary anyway... just wanted to see if it was working... 13:16:56 <Eddi|zuHause> the two monitors are of the same model, but they have extremely different colour... 13:17:26 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Is one on 6500k and the other 9300k? 13:17:59 <Eddi|zuHause> no 13:18:03 <TrueBrain> GRRR, stupid ldap doesn't let me set a password of a user account .. keeps complaining about sasl :s 13:18:04 <OwenS> (The 6500k one will look yellowy while the 9300k one will look blue-white by comparison) 13:18:06 <Eddi|zuHause> both with same setting 13:18:17 <OwenS> TrueBrain: SASL means login failure :p 13:18:29 <TrueBrain> yeah, it ALWAYS means that, yeah, thank you very much 13:18:31 <TrueBrain> sigh ... 13:18:54 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Then I don't know. My experience all lies with nVIDIA cards anyway 13:19:22 <OwenS> (Except for some work with an Intel GMA....) 13:21:00 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: the colour is not about the card... 13:21:22 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: With the exception of "Digital Vibrance" settings, I know 13:22:48 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: try forcing the resolution? 13:23:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth: it only allows me to select this resolution 13:23:46 <OwenS> What is the graphics card model? Is it incapable of dualing at higher resolutions? 13:24:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and something like enabling xinerama and restarting x, but i don't really feel like doing that 13:24:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a Radeon 9700 Pro 13:25:34 <reldred1> Oh lovely, dualscreen on radeon always was fun back in the day 13:25:56 * reldred1 had a 9600 Pro 13:26:10 <reldred1> Several years ago however, back when X was evil and men were men 13:26:34 <reldred1> X is still evil, but men are largely latte drinking pansies. 13:26:34 <reldred1> None of which has anything to do with the matter at hand. I'll go now. 13:26:49 <Eddi|zuHause> well, AMD just discontinued support for this card this year 13:27:07 <Eddi|zuHause> the new monitor is much brighter than the old one 13:27:27 <OwenS> That's always the case. Monitors dim with age 13:27:42 <Eddi|zuHause> in two years? 13:27:50 <OwenS> Yes 13:27:52 <OwenS> The 9700 pro is a 7 year old card with only 128MB RAM... 13:28:11 <OwenS> Well, it's possible they're using a brighter backlight now or any of 1000 variables 13:28:45 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's possible some of the backlight tubes break 13:28:46 <OwenS> Though nothing will beat the difference side-by-side LCD vs CRT will give you :p 13:28:59 <reldred1> The 9700 Pro is 7 years old now? faaaark, I remember cranking Morrowind on my freshly installed 9600 Pro 13:29:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i threw away all my CRTs 13:29:35 <Eddi|zuHause> 7 years? i don't have my computer that long... 13:29:42 <OwenS> Came out 2002 13:29:47 <OwenS> I have a CRT for the olde Windows box, but thats it 13:30:16 <petern> i have a 21" CRT monitor 13:30:27 <petern> can't be arsed moving it 13:30:35 <Eddi|zuHause> although i bought it as a used one, but it was more high end than anything i would have got at Aldi 13:30:48 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: i know that problem 13:31:04 <OwenS> I never went higher than 17" CRT :p 13:31:05 <glx> 17" CRT are already heavy 13:31:06 <petern> if i ever moved my 'studio' into a spare bedroom i might set it up as a telly or something, heh 13:31:20 *** reldred1 [~reldred@115.131.198.53] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:36 <Eddi|zuHause> but mine had a colouring failure, and later it broke 13:31:41 <OwenS> I have a 19" LCD which weighs about as much though... 13:31:46 <Eddi|zuHause> so it was just standing there useless... 13:32:00 <OwenS> (Freaking heavy steel base!) 13:32:00 <petern> i think it's ~ 30Kg 13:32:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember how i took the monitor on a LAN party 13:32:18 <Eddi|zuHause> the people complained, because they had a really small flat :p 13:32:21 <petern> my keyboard is 25Kg 13:32:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the next lan party i brought a 15" monitor 13:32:40 <Eddi|zuHause> and they complained because it was really tiny :p 13:32:46 <OwenS> lol 13:33:02 <OwenS> I'd probably take the 19" LCD. It's JUST portable enough :p 13:33:07 <Eddi|zuHause> that was a great monitor, though, i could run it at higher resolutions than the 21" 13:33:12 <petern> my 22" LCD is quite heavy 13:33:46 <petern> hmm 5.53Kg 13:33:49 <petern> not that much then 13:33:56 <OwenS> (I am being serious about the 19" Philips LCD weight = 17" CRT weight BTW :P ) 13:34:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i just picked up the box with the new monitor, and it felt really light... 13:34:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i was wondering if there actually was anything in there... 13:35:12 <petern> sometimes things seem heavier out of the box 13:35:16 <petern> density 'n all that 13:36:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i know that differently... 13:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause> we had a porcellan weight, and it looked like a cup upside down 13:37:28 <Eddi|zuHause> and everyone wanted to pick up the cup and turn it 13:37:39 <Eddi|zuHause> then suddenly relize it was heavier than they anticipated :p 13:38:21 <petern> heh 13:39:15 <OwenS> I should get a Uranium block. would be good for tricking people that way. And scaring the crap out of them :p 13:40:24 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: you heard the story about two kids playing "nuclear power plant" with a couple of old computer cases and a printout of a "radioactive" sign? 13:40:34 <OwenS> lol 13:40:38 <OwenS> nope 13:40:50 <Eddi|zuHause> they went away for a few minutes, and left it on the road 13:41:07 <Eddi|zuHause> and when they came back, a huge police operation was there, thinking it was a "dirty bomb" 13:41:11 <OwenS> lool 13:41:23 <OwenS> As if a real dirty bomb would have a handy trefoil on it... 13:41:31 *** tdev [~udev@p57B7FB71.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:41:41 <OwenS> I can go one better though 13:42:01 <Eddi|zuHause> ok... with this stereo view i'm going mad... 13:42:03 <OwenS> I read about a guy who actually built a "reactor" in his potting shed. 13:44:09 <OwenS> Well... the Environmental Protection Agency weren't pleased... 13:48:15 <Eddi|zuHause> how is that "better"? 13:48:31 <petern> pretty much everyone has read about something similar to that... 13:53:18 *** OwenSX48BD [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:53:56 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-154-217-48.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:24 <OwenSX48BD> TrueBrain: 11 ae0-24.bb1.ams3.nl.gbxs.net (193.27.64.205) 32.902 ms 32.904 ms 32.853 ms <-- Much better! 14:04:33 <TrueBrain> OwenSX48BD: concratz 14:04:52 *** OwenSX48BD is now known as OwenS 14:05:11 <OwenS> Though I can't fully switch over yet as the router hasn't arrived 14:05:18 <TrueBrain> 6 ae0-24.bb1.ams3.nl.gbxs.net (193.27.64.205) 6.188 ms 6.681 ms 6.659 ms <- hihi 14:05:31 <TrueBrain> (6th hop :p) 14:05:45 <OwenS> Theres a "you're in the same country and on the same landmass" issue there :p 14:06:31 <TrueBrain> and the "I have an ISP which has fiber from here directly to the AIX with only one hop in between" :p 14:06:44 <OwenS> 9 fa6-0.gxn-linx.transit1.linx.net (195.66.248.33) 20.858 ms 31.654 ms 31.307 ms (Though cable is higher latency than Ethernet/Fiber/etc anyway :P ) 14:08:55 <OwenS> Now I should probably switch back until the router makes itself present before anyone starts probing my open ports :p 14:11:56 <Xaroth> 7th here, but that's due to 1 firewall and 1 gateway :P 14:12:00 *** OwenSX48BD [~oshepherd@host86-154-217-48.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:12:06 *** OwenS is now known as Guest283 14:12:06 *** OwenSX48BD is now known as OwenS 14:12:49 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:13:01 <Xaroth> 5 ae0-24.bb1.ams3.nl.gbxs.net (193.27.64.205) 2.242 ms 2.315 ms 2.291 ms 14:13:01 <Yexo> hello 14:13:10 <OwenS> lol 14:13:15 <Xaroth> from datacenter 14:13:16 <Eddi|zuHause> ae0-24.bb1.ams3.nl.gbxs.net: Name or service not known 14:14:15 <OwenS> Just for comparison, via old connection... I don't get there... 14:14:32 <Eddi|zuHause> send failed: No buffer space available 14:14:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess traceroute doesn't like me... 14:15:10 <OwenS> Aha! 15 ae0-24.bb1.ams3.nl.gbxs.net (193.27.64.205) 74.534 ms 74.505 ms 80.703 ms 14:15:42 <OwenS> So my new result is less than half the old one :p 14:16:08 <Eddi|zuHause> 5 * vlan99.csw4.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.68.23.254) 267.092 ms vlan89.csw3.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.68.23.190) 299.168 ms 14:16:20 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the closest i get 14:16:56 <OwenS> Try tracerouting it by IP 14:17:02 <OwenS> And 4.? Isn't 4. unallocated? 14:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i did that 14:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently not... 14:17:41 <Eddi|zuHause> 17 ae0-24.bb1.ams3.nl.gbxs.net (193.27.64.205) 1232.738 ms 1228.787 ms 1242.805 ms 14:17:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm really at the end of the world... 14:17:58 *** Guest283 [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:21 <OwenS> Can I point out the irony that you share a land border with the netherlands? :p 14:19:46 <Eddi|zuHause> so? 14:20:18 <OwenS> I have to go ther across some ocean...and a much longer distance than you have worst case 14:21:01 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe my connection goes to the moon and back? 14:21:08 <Xaroth> OwenS: traceroute 193.42.212.7 ? 14:21:19 <Xaroth> and wtf @ Eddi o_O 14:21:38 <OwenS> .42? why? 14:21:51 <OwenS> And I can't from my fast connection ATM :P 14:22:00 <Xaroth> because that's my datacenter? 14:22:07 <OwenS> lol 14:22:26 <OwenS> OK no AMS-IX here 14:22:40 <Xaroth> well ams-ix pings can fluctuate a LOT 14:22:49 <Xaroth> so I usually test to my datacenter and judge from that :P 14:23:03 * OwenS sends very long privmsg :p 14:23:04 <Eddi|zuHause> from inside the university i only get * 14:23:17 <Eddi|zuHause> or rather * * * 14:23:56 <OwenS> 20 fiberring-117441-adm-b1.c.telia.net (213.248.73.110) 74.863 ms 78.421 ms 80.670 ms is my last hop 14:26:23 <TrueBrain> why oh why does /etc/security/access.conf not work .. if I deny access from all, I can still make a SSH session :( 14:27:00 *** LaSeandre [~LaSeandre@host86-140-253-237.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:33:48 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe that's an admin-protection ;) 14:34:27 <TrueBrain> :p 14:34:33 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 14:37:28 <Eddi|zuHause> well, we've all heard of many of these "damn, i just shut myself out from this server" problems ;) 14:38:16 <TrueBrain> not a real issue here, as I work in VPSes :) 14:39:04 <OwenS> For me I just ssh into the Xen dom0 and login which connects me to the system console :p 14:39:07 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:46:00 <Eddi|zuHause> anybody know how i insert a custom script for a global hotkey? 14:46:48 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:47:18 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i might have found something relevant 14:51:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.202.226] has joined #openttd 14:54:39 <TrueBrain> who knows how to make exim only deliver mail for a given group? 14:55:16 <OwenS> Heh... my mail servers all deliver to virtual accounts 14:56:52 <TrueBrain> local delivery for openttd.org .. but with LDAP, there are many 'local' accounts :p 15:05:17 *** goodger [~ben@host86-156-58-147.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 15:10:25 *** goodger [~ben@host86-156-58-147.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:14:47 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@205.28-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 15:14:55 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:16:08 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@54.19-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c390b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:32:18 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@205.28-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [] 15:33:41 *** marz [~marz@pool-68-238-1-48.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:28 *** marz2 [~marz2@pool-68-238-1-48.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:29 *** marz [~marz@pool-68-238-1-48.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 15:37:45 *** marz2 [~marz2@pool-68-238-1-48.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 15:38:30 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-20-30-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 15:39:13 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA3A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:39:40 <LordAzamath> hmm.. how many hq levels were there? 4 or 5? 15:40:14 <LordAzamath> 5 15:40:36 <TrueBrain> no worries LordAzamath, we all talk in ourself too :) 15:41:51 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8e24.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:58 *** marz [~marz@pool-68-238-1-48.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:46:05 *** marz [~marz@pool-68-238-1-48.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:10 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-20-30-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:59 *** Elton06310 [~Delphi@201008131188.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 15:53:16 *** Elton06310 [~Delphi@201008131188.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:51 *** Elton05443 [~Delphi@201008131188.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 16:00:35 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:02:37 <TrueBrain> I think it is stupid exim4 can only deliver to all local accounts .. why can't you limit that (in a simple way) to a single group ... 16:02:38 <TrueBrain> :( 16:03:28 <Noldo> *sob* 16:07:19 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-20-30-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:47 *** OwenSX48BD [~oshepherd@host86-142-97-128.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:09:43 *** Elton05443 [~Delphi@201008131188.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:26 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-154-217-48.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:11:39 *** Elton05871 [~Delphi@201008131188.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 16:14:36 *** Elton05871 [~Delphi@201008131188.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:58 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@client-86-27-92-81.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 16:15:12 *** OwenSX28AC [~oshepherd@host86-129-2-180.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:18:27 *** OwenSX28AC is now known as OwenS 16:19:06 *** OwenSX48BD [~oshepherd@host86-142-97-128.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:03 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-20-30-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:04 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 16:20:45 *** OwenSX48BD [~oshepherd@host81-153-203-70.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:21:25 *** OwenS is now known as Guest290 16:21:25 *** OwenSX48BD is now known as OwenS 16:21:31 *** Elton08393 [~Delphi@201008131188.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 16:26:35 *** Guest290 [~oshepherd@host86-129-2-180.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31:40 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8e24.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 16:32:51 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host81-153-203-70.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:57 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host81-158-87-97.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:33:59 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0C140.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:35:15 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:07 <blathijs> TrueBrain: I think you can do that, but probably not with Debian's standard configuration wizard 16:42:29 <TrueBrain> blathijs: yes, which annoys me .. 16:42:34 <TrueBrain> but okay, I am now trying to add a filter to nss 16:42:39 <TrueBrain> which is most likely the better way to go anyway :p 16:42:43 <TrueBrain> but MemberOf doesn't want to work :( 16:46:04 <blathijs> TrueBrain: I'll have a look later 16:50:17 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 16:50:47 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Do you want to check the primary group? 16:50:52 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Or any group membership? 16:51:36 <TrueBrain> latter 16:51:40 <TrueBrain> primary group is rarely relevant 16:52:47 <blathijs> Groups from LDAP? 16:52:50 <TrueBrain> yes 16:52:51 <TrueBrain> what else? 16:53:31 *** tdev [~udev@p57B7FB71.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 16:54:16 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host81-158-87-97.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:26 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest291 16:56:27 <blathijs> How is something like: condition = ${lookup ldap {LDAPURL??sub?(&(uid=$local_part)(memberOf=some-group)}{$value}fail} 16:56:30 <blathijs> On the relevant router? 16:56:41 <TrueBrain> blathijs: as I said: I want to do NSS filtering :) 16:57:03 <TrueBrain> it is not that nice that all ldap users show up as local users :p 16:57:09 <TrueBrain> might give .. future problems, I say ;) 16:57:10 <blathijs> No, you said you were going to try that ;-p 16:57:17 <TrueBrain> ah :p 16:57:24 <TrueBrain> but I noted that it would be a better way ;) 16:57:45 <blathijs> If you don't want those users to show up as local users, then yes 16:58:06 <TrueBrain> well .. it means all local software sees every openttd.org user as local 16:58:12 <blathijs> But I guess they still need an account on other vservers, so removing their uidNumber is not an option? 16:58:13 <TrueBrain> can lead to .. exploits? :p 16:58:22 <TrueBrain> exactly :p 16:58:59 <blathijs> Hmm, not sure how NSS filtering works :-) 16:59:05 <TrueBrain> filter <map> <filter> 16:59:10 <TrueBrain> but I can't get ldapsearch to do memberof shit 16:59:11 <TrueBrain> so ... 17:00:14 <TrueBrain> things keep on talking about 'member' entry which is in core.scheme 17:00:23 <TrueBrain> but either phpldapadmin doesn't show it, or it isn't there 17:01:06 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:01:12 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Perhaps you should try ldapvi, which gives a rather raw view on your LDAP entries 17:01:33 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Though phpldapadmin should be able to do that as well 17:02:20 <blathijs> I'm not exactly sure how this member stuff is supposed to work, I'm using uniqueMember, which references full dn's instead of usernames 17:02:44 <blathijs> But I had to compose some custom objectclasses to get that to work nicely 17:03:24 <TrueBrain> one might expect that group-lookups are very comon ... 17:03:38 <TrueBrain> it is easier to make an objectclass and use that as group :p 17:03:39 <TrueBrain> haha 17:04:29 <blathijs> Well, I had it working with standard posixAccounts and posixGroups before that IIRC, but I wanted to be able to define groups of people without an account as well 17:04:40 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.33] has joined #openttd 17:04:41 <TrueBrain> that I need too ;) 17:04:50 <blathijs> e.g., people that only have a forwarding mail address 17:05:24 <TrueBrain> I loaded some memberOf overlay 17:05:26 <TrueBrain> but still nothing :p 17:06:06 <TrueBrain> grr 17:06:38 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 17:06:46 <blathijs> TrueBrain: I can have a look tomorrow, if you're still struggling by then :-) 17:06:52 <blathijs> I'm off to a meeting in a few minutes 17:07:01 <TrueBrain> tnx anyway :) 17:07:03 <TrueBrain> enjoy! 17:07:05 <_ln> hi blathijs and bye blathijs 17:07:05 <TrueBrain> I am going to get some food ... 17:07:12 <blathijs> (Btw, did you write down what you actually want to do with LDAP already? Or did you just start configging? :-p) 17:07:38 <TrueBrain> I don't have to write down wha tI want, as I know what I want :) 17:08:05 <blathijs> Even then, writing it down helps :-p 17:08:13 <TrueBrain> getting it to work, helps more 17:08:30 <blathijs> And I might be able to give you some advice on schema design, if I know what you want as well :-p 17:08:44 <TrueBrain> authentication and groups, that is all :) 17:08:54 <TrueBrain> go to your meeting, we talk later :) 17:09:53 <blathijs> I'm still waiting for $gf to arrive (I'm at the trefpunt in Utrecht Centraal currently, the Debian Developer that was going to sign my gpg key is delayed, so that meeting is cancelled :-p) 17:10:05 <TrueBrain> haha :) 17:11:04 <Xaroth> o_O 17:12:39 <TrueBrain> LDAP really doesn't update anything automatic :p If you remove a user, it is not removed from the group :p 17:13:27 <_ln> 2009-07-01 22:39 <Xaroth> people would argue that Utrecht is worth visiting 17:13:27 <_ln> 2009-07-01 22:39 <Xaroth> I.. still don't know what dope they are smoking 17:13:47 <Xaroth> yep 17:15:12 <blathijs> TrueBrain: That is something your frontend should handle for you, but there are hardly any decent frontends... 17:15:26 <TrueBrain> blathijs: for the rest, see PM :p 17:15:50 <blathijs> TrueBrain: I'll look at that tomorrow :-) 17:16:31 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I just manual inserted something phpldapadmin told me wasn't there ... 17:16:32 <TrueBrain> go figure 17:17:01 <blathijs> gottago! 17:20:35 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:24:19 <TrueBrain> lol .. problem is dat PosixGroup and GroupOfNames are both structural objects, and can't be assigned to one container ... 17:25:40 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:31 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:08 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 17:38:32 <TrueBrain> yippie, fixed it :) 17:41:07 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Yup, that is exactly why I created my own schema 17:41:19 <TrueBrain> there is an rfc which makes posixGroup auxilary :) 17:41:24 <TrueBrain> seems to work :p 17:41:45 <blathijs> TrueBrain: http://git.stderr.nl/gitweb?p=servers.git;a=blob;f=etc/ldap/schema/custom.schema;h=90d4106ed16cffb8dc7982775a88e06dccaf07e3;hb=ldap <-- If you're interested 17:43:14 <TrueBrain> hmm .. this schema I now use doesn't give the posix groups how they should be given 17:43:19 <TrueBrain> (as in: they don't show the members :p) 17:43:24 <TrueBrain> dinner now first 17:44:57 <blathijs> My schema doesn't really work with phpldapadmin in a useful yet :-) 17:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17207 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 17:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 changes by arnaullv 17:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 2 changes by IPG 17:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 1 changes by prof 17:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: serbian - 12 changes by etran 17:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: spanish - 1 changes by Terkhen 17:53:46 *** green-devil [Lisby@d40a9d6d.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 17:56:36 *** Prisk1 [Prsk@cable-105-162.kymp.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:10 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81AFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. 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One open, which gets you to the proxy servers :p 19:05:56 <SpComb> with transparent image rotation 19:06:21 <Xaroth> as in, a proxy that turns every image upside-down? 19:06:23 <Xaroth> cuz that would be awesome :P 19:06:26 <OwenS> lol 19:06:37 <OwenS> How about with colour inversion? :p 19:07:38 <OwenS> Hmm... Hopefully it will be a Rev C model; the older revisions are Ubicom processor based and not hackable 19:10:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:12:47 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@168.226.104.33] has joined #openttd 19:12:50 <fonsinchen> In LoadUnloadVehicle there is the following piece of code: http://paste.openttd.org/199133 19:13:38 <frosch123> you try it every day, don't you? 19:13:40 <fonsinchen> I strongly guess that this is bogus as it leaves v->load_unload_time remaining at 0 19:13:53 <frosch123> rb is not in this channel :) 19:14:38 <fonsinchen> If I remove that condition and thus make every vehicle stop loading immediately after starting, it should still work, shouldn't it? 19:15:10 <fonsinchen> Now I have a rather large cargodist savegame which works fine with the condition like it is and immediately crashes with the condition removed. 19:15:26 <fonsinchen> like this: openttd: /home/alve/projekte/openttd/src/economy.cpp:1144: void LoadUnloadVehicle(Vehicle*, CargoReservation&): Assertion `v->load_unload_time_rem != 0' failed. 19:15:53 <fonsinchen> If I was really fast I could have created the same situation by manually reversing that train. 19:16:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81AFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:16:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:16:13 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 19:16:48 <frosch123> so it crashes when you remove the test? well, why do you remove it then? 19:17:02 <fonsinchen> because it is really hard to trigger that condition 19:17:15 <frosch123> load_unload_time is shared between pbs and loading btw 19:17:23 <fonsinchen> and I need to trigger that case to test if that's the cause of someone else's crash 19:17:45 <frosch123> and if a train is reversed and reserves a path it will likely deal with it 19:18:00 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:18:48 <frosch123> well, I still did not understand you. do you want to add a 'load_unload_time = 0;' inside the if block? 19:18:52 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:19:19 <fonsinchen> no it is 0 there already 19:19:27 <fonsinchen> because it has been checked before 19:19:52 <fonsinchen> the problem is exactly that. If it enters LoadUnloadVehicle again after that block, it crashes 19:19:58 <fonsinchen> so it needs to be set to 1 19:20:06 <fonsinchen> (or whatever else, but not 0) 19:20:21 <planetmaker> fonsinchen: I can confirm this error in r17170 19:20:30 <Noldo> or it needs to not enter LoadUnloadVehicle again 19:20:38 <planetmaker> in trunk 19:20:44 <fonsinchen> like a few lines further: v->load_unload_time_rem = max(1, unloading_time); 19:21:09 <fonsinchen> I don't know the exact code path, but obviously it can happen that it enters again 19:22:08 <frosch123> well, open a fs task, rb knows that code better 19:22:53 <fonsinchen> planetmaker, can you give me that save game? 19:25:51 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@168.226.104.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:46:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 19:49:22 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:58:15 <fonsinchen> nvm, I have found a suitable savegame myself. 20:03:20 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c390b.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:56 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 20:09:45 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:39 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 20:10:40 *** Priski [~Prsk@cable-105-162.kymp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:11:50 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 20:13:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.202.226] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:53 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF829C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.202.226] has joined #openttd 20:24:24 <Fast2> !bananas 20:24:32 <Fast2> Hmmm 20:24:37 <R0b0t1> :-\ 20:24:39 *** Fast2 was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [wrong channel?] 20:24:52 <R0b0t1> B-A-N-A-N-A-S? 20:24:59 <TrueBrain> INFINITE MONKEYS 20:25:08 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF829C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:25:33 <LaSeandre> and infinite time to write the complete works of shakespeare 20:25:54 <R0b0t1> And infinite monkeys will be arrested for copyright violations in the process. 20:26:06 <Fast2> No, but I wodered what this is 20:26:08 <R0b0t1> As they'd randomly make other plays and stuff too. 20:26:27 <TrueBrain> LaSeandre: you only need either infinite time or infinite monkeys, not both 20:28:49 <fonsinchen> But it doesn't hurt to have both. 20:30:01 * R0b0t1 wonders if monkeys are turing-complete 20:30:08 <R0b0t1> You could solve a lot of problems with lots of monkeys. 20:30:13 <TrueBrain> LaSeandre: you only need either infinite time or infinite monkeys, not both 20:30:15 <TrueBrain> lol 20:30:19 <TrueBrain> wrong screen, sorry LaSeandre 20:32:38 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 20:35:33 *** LaSeandre [~LaSeandre@host86-140-253-237.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 20:37:00 *** green-devil [Lisby@d40a9d6d.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:43:48 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:45:09 *** LaSeandre [~LaSeandre@host86-140-253-237.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:50:42 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@client-82-13-31-36.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:58 <Eddi|zuHause> R0b0t1: the main assumption there is that they can read what they previously wrote 20:56:28 <Eddi|zuHause> then the proof should be easy 20:56:38 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-27-92-81.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:48 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 20:57:01 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: monkeys can't read 20:57:08 <TrueBrain> that is the whole idea .. they just .. type something 20:57:26 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: i meant about the turing-completeness 20:57:37 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: yes, that was about the monkeys 20:57:41 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: and the shakespear thing is flawed 20:57:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it assumes that the monkeys do not get into an endless loop 20:58:02 <TrueBrain> in infinite time, even that doesn't matter 20:58:11 <TrueBrain> no matter what your entropy is, in infinite time, everything happens 20:58:13 <OwenS> if it's an infinte loop it does :p 20:58:47 <LaSeandre> :S 20:59:08 <LaSeandre> i seem to have sparked a debate about Turing and infinite monkeys... 20:59:11 <LaSeandre> oh well 20:59:17 *** LaSeandre [~LaSeandre@host86-140-253-237.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 20:59:23 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 20:59:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81AFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:39 <OwenS> I was going to point out that's normal round here... 20:59:44 <TrueBrain> no, infinite monkeys were already here 20:59:54 <TrueBrain> they are crawling all over the place 21:00:06 <Eddi|zuHause> they take no end! 21:00:38 <OwenS> Send them all to 1 Infinte Loop, CA, USA :p 21:01:36 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B822EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:01:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:01:49 * TrueBrain tries to make the final blocks for his 16bit convertor 21:01:53 <TrueBrain> but has a hard time on the very last pieces :( 21:03:52 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:04:21 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:04:53 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you know the 90-90 rule ;) 21:05:09 <Eddi|zuHause> 90% of the time is spent on 90% of the development 21:05:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and the other 90% of the time is spent on the rest 21:05:47 <TrueBrain> .... doesn't make sense ... 21:05:58 <TrueBrain> 90% of the time .. the other 90% .. 21:06:01 <TrueBrain> you can't do math :( 21:06:09 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the point ;) 21:06:12 <TrueBrain> that is what you get when you send infinite monkeys in an endless loop :( 21:06:14 <Sacro> i know that 21:06:16 <OwenS> The point is that you get 90% done... then discovery ou have another 90% to do 21:06:16 <TrueBrain> IT IS A WRONG POINT! 21:06:19 <R0b0t1> He just can't do it 90% of the time 21:06:25 <Sacro> we got told that at uni 21:06:44 <TrueBrain> at my uni they at least make sense .. 90% of the time you spent on 10% of your app 21:06:49 <TrueBrain> +last 21:06:50 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: the point is, everything takes longer than anticipated 21:07:05 <TrueBrain> I don't care! It doesn't add up! I refuse to believe! THERE IS NO SPOON! 21:07:17 <R0b0t1> Yeah, it's a spork. 21:07:22 <Eddi|zuHause> psst... your OCD is coming through ;) 21:07:45 <Eddi|zuHause> R0b0t1: that's a dangerous field you are entering 21:07:51 <TrueBrain> do you know what day it is tomorrow? 21:07:57 <Eddi|zuHause> tuesday. 21:07:58 <R0b0t1> Uh, the 18th? 21:08:05 <TrueBrain> do you know what that means? 21:08:07 <R0b0t1> Another painful amount of time? 21:08:07 <Eddi|zuHause> summer semester 21:08:17 <TrueBrain> do you know what happened 364 days ago? (and tomorrow 365) 21:08:23 <Eddi|zuHause> no. 21:08:25 <R0b0t1> The same day? 21:08:59 <TrueBrain> it was a very good day for OpenTTD 21:09:04 <OwenS> r10000? 21:09:25 <TrueBrain> nope, that was longer ago 21:09:33 <TrueBrain> it was a day that made me so happy 21:09:34 <Eddi|zuHause> you quit? :p 21:09:48 <TrueBrain> no, I do that all the time 21:09:58 <R0b0t1> lol.... 21:10:13 <TrueBrain> I just received word that in fact it isn't until the 19th 21:10:15 <TrueBrain> 14:06 CEST 21:10:28 <TrueBrain> until then, you can only guess, and I won't tell :) 21:10:56 *** thingwath [quasselcor@88.83.164.57] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 21:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause> > svn log -r '{2008-08-18}:{2008-08-19}' 21:11:09 <Eddi|zuHause> svn: Failed to find time on revision 8604 21:11:21 <TrueBrain> haha, subversion error :) 21:11:29 <TrueBrain> I guess we should install 1.6 soon 21:11:34 *** thingwath [quasselcor@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 21:11:36 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, and it's your fault :p 21:11:49 <TrueBrain> yup 21:11:59 <TrueBrain> well .. not completely .. Rubidium did the filtering :p 21:12:03 <Eddi|zuHause> you tinkered with the internal data ;) 21:15:20 <TrueBrain> I hope subversion will accept the vhost patch soon :( 21:19:36 *** tdev [~udev@p508ED2E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:20:11 *** Nite_Owl_ [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:20:27 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:30 *** Nite_Owl_ is now known as Nite_Owl 21:25:20 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DC8AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:45:32 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@ti0034a380-1631.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 21:46:27 <pavel1269> time for bed, gn folks :-) 21:46:47 <TrueBrain> night pavel1269 21:46:59 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:12 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8e24.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:44 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 22:12:55 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@client-86-31-52-159.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:15:59 * OwenS wonders where the hell one finds a TTL S/PDIF (AKA Motherboard Header) to TOSLINK (AKA Optical S/PDIF) bracket... 22:16:18 <TrueBrain> I would guess in a store 22:16:22 <TrueBrain> but that is too obvious I guess 22:16:31 <SpComb> packaged along with your motherboard 22:17:20 <Nite_Owl> self fabrication 22:18:03 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-13-31-36.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:04 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 22:24:06 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 22:25:49 *** ^Spike^ is now known as ^spike^ 22:34:17 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:36:20 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db030c0.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: gn8] 22:38:17 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:41:25 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 22:42:47 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:36 *** green-devil [Lisby@d40a9d6d.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 22:55:39 *** ^spike^ [~spike@dhcp-077-251-090-192.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Not here] 22:58:13 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176250230.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:03:18 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:05:55 <R0b0t1> Is "unload and leave empty" pretty much a transfer order? 23:07:56 <Eddi|zuHause> no 23:08:19 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a difference in behaviour when the station accepts the cargo 23:17:40 <TrueBrain> whoho, my static recompiler seems to work very nice :) 23:17:42 <TrueBrain> yes yes 23:21:29 * TrueBrain is happy 23:21:32 <TrueBrain> and I wish you all a very good night 23:22:50 *** DaleStan [~Dale@98.223.98.3] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:23:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F8D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C19.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:38 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:37:30 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 23:42:56 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:08 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 23:46:56 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:48:21 <OwenS> Is it just me... Or should a supposed government body NOT own patents? ... 23:51:15 *** tdev [~udev@p508ED2E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 23:52:48 *** LaSeandre [~LaSeandre@host86-140-253-237.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:54:23 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: i don't really know anything, but afair, american government employees cannot claim copyright over things they produce while they are working. i don't know in how far that extends to patents 23:54:46 <OwenS> Even worse: this is an Austalian government body with US patents.... 23:55:39 <OwenS> Which has basically decided to suplement it's funding with patent trolling 23:55:40 <reldred1> Are we whinging about CSIRO patent trolling? 23:55:46 <OwenS> Yes :p 23:56:04 <Eddi|zuHause> why should the australian government not be able to hold US patents? 23:56:09 <reldred1> Yeah, but CSIRO make all sorts of cool shit, so they're allowed to patent troll as far as I'm concerned :P 23:56:32 <reldred1> If it was some legal entitity that did nothing, and just patent trolled for quick cash, then I'd be annoyed 23:57:08 <reldred1> God knows our government won't give them anywhere near enough money, they gotta get their cash somehow 23:57:25 <OwenS> OK. Please stop killing my Wi-Fi kit vendors :p 23:57:54 <OwenS> But isn't government work generally supposed to be made freely available? 23:58:10 <Eddi|zuHause> no, why would it? 23:58:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it's every government's own decision to do that