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06:29:49 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 06:35:32 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:46:09 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust1013.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:47:18 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-169.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:51:23 *** thingwath [~thingie@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:51:45 *** thingwath [~thingie@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 06:54:59 *** Terkhen [~terkhen@200.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 06:55:05 <Terkhen> good morning 07:01:38 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:17:45 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:33:06 *** th1ngwath [~thingie@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 07:33:07 <Rubidium> YoG_: not really, it uses lots of memory on other systems too. But it kept swapping like crazy? Then at least it was doing something :) 07:33:30 <Rubidium> you might want to try another version of your compiler though 07:33:45 <Rubidium> or another version of boost 07:34:11 <YoG_> Rubidium: :-) patiance is a virtue, I tried it again today and eventually it resumed... 07:34:14 <YoG_> thanks 07:40:38 *** thingwath [~thingie@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:02:11 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 08:07:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.169.134] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:10:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.169.134] has joined #openttd 08:14:01 *** th1ngwath is now known as thingwath 08:27:11 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 08:29:03 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:31:55 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 08:32:07 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 08:32:15 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:32:38 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:32:41 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:39:56 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:43:23 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 08:43:30 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 08:46:35 *** Muxy [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 08:52:55 *** crakinshot [938f4919@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:56:14 *** thingwath [~thingie@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:12 *** thingwath [~thingie@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 09:19:15 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-18.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 09:22:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:01 *** Terkhen [~terkhen@200.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 09:30:31 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 09:32:32 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17633 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3233]: [NewGRF] Crash when trying to build an industry that has no industry layout defined. 10:06:27 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 10:08:11 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:54 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 10:08:58 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:27:58 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F087.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:42:26 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-18.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48:20 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.163.182] has joined #openttd 10:51:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B378A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:53:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0E6D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:53:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:57:04 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227082211.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:05:40 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:06:56 *** YoG_ [~chatzilla@bzq-79-177-102-14.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 11:09:13 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:37 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 11:19:28 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db87026.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:43:57 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE7BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:51:27 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a990:b8f8:4eb1:aaa9] has joined #openttd 11:51:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:01:41 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: luckz 12:04:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:23:16 *** Netsplit over, joins: luckz 12:30:23 *** Netsplit joule.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: luckz 12:31:44 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9EFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:36:08 *** Netsplit over, joins: luckz 12:44:50 *** Muxy [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: Back to the Goulp] 12:45:38 *** Netsplit joule.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: luckz 13:14:14 <Belugas> hey 13:14:34 <crakinshot> lo 13:22:46 *** Terkhen [~terkhen@200.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 13:27:41 <welshdragon> crakinshot: how's things? 13:29:56 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> joule.oftc.net quits: Cybertinus 13:30:27 <crakinshot> not bad... someone asked for train composition in depo's so I'm having a look into it 13:31:18 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:31:47 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:32:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm afraid you're picking on too many projects at once 13:32:46 *** Netsplit over, joins: Cybertinus 13:33:35 <crakinshot> hehe, yeah I also need a GRF template to add on a new sound so I can have the "chidy-chik" sound when trains move over a tile 13:34:56 <crakinshot> well that extended signals is pretty much done. But without anything to use them, no point in cleaning it up yet. 13:35:28 <crakinshot> and all my other ideas are ultimately coming down to having to use LR PBS. :/ 13:35:43 <crakinshot> so those will have to wait 13:35:59 <crakinshot> I've got platform definitions, but was looking at the ordering system 13:36:27 <crakinshot> while I'm here might as well add on depo wagon order as well I guess 13:37:02 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja99.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 13:39:01 <welshdragon> crakinshot: can you eventually make a build with all your patches in> 13:39:19 <Ammler> what't LR PBS? (long reserve?) 13:41:42 <crakinshot> yeah, basically the multi-aspect signals and realistic deceleration will need long reserve PBS 13:43:11 <Ammler> but there are some patches with that, aren't there? 13:43:58 <crakinshot> yeah, but its whether it'll be used in the trunk. I'm not entirely sure I like LR PBS yet, it adds on 2 signal types 13:44:52 <Ammler> well, those 2 patches I know, fail if there are 2 trains in row of the lr line 13:47:43 <Ammler> why don't you not continue there, instead of wait until someone will finish those patches? 13:48:28 <crakinshot> maybe, to be honest I'm letting all the ideas sort themselves in my head 13:48:40 <crakinshot> it'll get back to me in a few days 13:49:33 <crakinshot> I'm probably leaning toward doing it myself and adding on reserve extentions 13:49:43 <crakinshot> just for my signal type 13:50:40 <crakinshot> I don't know, need to set a clear objective and choose a start which will allow doing other things 13:50:44 <crakinshot> so its not just a hack 13:51:39 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 14:01:28 <crakinshot> See what I'm thinking if you have a MAS signal, which basically tries to reserve 3 segments ahead. if it can't it sets a lower warning on the signal and the train moves more slowly. 14:02:20 <crakinshot> then on some signals you don't want them to allow longer reservations, so you'd make it SignalEx and set a flag to stop that 14:02:36 <crakinshot> rather than have a completely different signal type 14:03:54 <crakinshot> the ratational for using the extended signal pool item is that the usual place you want to limit long reservations is a junction home signal 14:04:34 <crakinshot> and those are the signals you'd most likely want to use other extensions on (programmable signals) 14:04:57 <crakinshot> so its coming together slowly 14:20:08 <crakinshot> Then with yapf pathfinder, when it creates the general path to take, it checks to see the segment is allowed to be extended further and stores that in the cache 14:20:36 <crakinshot> I really need to take a long look at yapf 14:21:52 <crakinshot> an idea that comes to mind is how the cache is maintained. My understanding is it finds a path then caches it, if that path is no longer valid is ditches the path and tries to make a completely new one 14:22:48 <crakinshot> rather than ditch it completely you try to find a new path, but once you come back to the originally cached path you stop. 14:23:16 <crakinshot> but I don't know if this is the way its done already. hehe 14:26:54 *** elmex_ [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 14:28:57 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 14:31:22 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:24 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 14:31:33 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177231004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:39 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177231004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:33:40 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [] 14:33:45 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 14:40:21 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177231004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:10 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has joined #openttd 14:50:09 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 14:54:16 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:11 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:01:28 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:04:27 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 15:18:01 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 15:21:38 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:22:59 *** crakinshot [938f4919@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:27:31 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE7BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Joyful it seems - but then suddenly - by one false move it's blown away] 15:43:40 *** YoG_ [~chatzilla@bzq-79-177-102-14.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #openttd 15:45:40 <YoG_> Hi, I'd like to compile the most recent CargoDest, how do I get it? ( I used "hg clone http://hg.openttd.org/developers/celestar/cargodest.hg/ cargodest-celestar" is that the most recent one?) 15:48:58 <glx> that's the most recent 15:49:03 <glx> and quite outdated 15:49:16 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust1013.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:49:17 <KingJ> CargoDist is what you want now 15:49:27 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:50:45 <YoG_> KingJ: thanx 15:51:06 <YoG_> I'll check CargoDist 15:51:07 <Belugas> isn't it CargoDust now? 15:51:12 *** arfonzo [~art@wrudm.poorcoding.com] has left #openttd [] 15:51:28 <Belugas> or are we just at CargoDost ? 15:52:32 <Alberth> CargoD[a-z]st to be at the safe side 15:54:14 <welshdragon> CargoD?st 15:54:27 <YoG_> why was cargodust been abandoned? 15:54:29 <YoG_> lol 15:54:53 <welshdragon> YoG_: as it was unstable 15:59:59 <glx> and not very clean :) 16:02:04 <YoG_> what version of openttd I'll get by doing "git clone http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/openttd.git"? (from the cargodist wiki) 16:02:18 <TrueBrain> a yellow one! 16:02:58 <YoG_> is the yellow one the latest? 16:03:11 <TrueBrain> no, for that you need the purple 16:03:15 * TrueBrain goes sit under a rock now :) 16:06:03 * Alberth brings cookies and a drink to TrueBrain 16:06:05 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust1013.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:21 <TrueBrain> thank you 16:06:23 <TrueBrain> ! :) 16:06:41 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja99.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 16:12:05 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust1013.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:24:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:28:45 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@51.139.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:04 *** thisismyname [~chatzilla@77.51.91.136] has joined #openttd 16:36:22 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9EFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:25 *** CraKinShOt [~NO@host86-169-2-246.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:49:46 *** thisismyname [~chatzilla@77.51.91.136] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 16:52:51 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-169.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:54 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 16:55:17 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-223.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:05:37 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:37 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:27:07 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:27:32 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 17:31:05 *** Lakie` is now known as Lakie 17:40:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:41:53 *** CraKinShOt [~NO@host86-169-2-246.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 17:45:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r17634 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:45:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 6 changes by Gavin 17:45:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: finnish - 8 changes by jpx_ 17:45:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by Roujin 17:45:36 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: romanian - 49 changes by kkmic 17:45:36 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 51 changes by Madvin 17:48:58 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52:04 *** davis [~davis-@p5B28E3B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:01 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051152222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:03:36 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227082211.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:36 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:06:05 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 18:11:20 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 18:15:54 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17635 /trunk/src/network/network_chat_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the chat gui nested 18:24:09 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38:49 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 18:39:53 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0FBB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:43:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:52:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:18 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0E6D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:59:33 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B3AD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:59:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:10:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B3AD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. 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None of the devs has. 20:45:41 <planetmaker> it's a huge advantage if it comes to make adjustments in order to make it work 20:45:49 <planetmaker> *making 20:46:27 <Nite_Owl> Ozzie before he bit the bat 20:46:56 <Belugas> yeah :D 20:47:01 <Belugas> loved to play it 20:47:28 <Belugas> not an easy one, but a fun one 20:47:28 <andythenorth> planetmaker: Macs I can supply. Got loads. 20:47:43 <planetmaker> andythenorth: then please do! 20:47:43 <Belugas> beer you can supply? 20:47:47 <Belugas> Up the IRONS! 20:47:56 <planetmaker> andythenorth: also got an xserve? 20:47:56 <Prof_Frink> 00:1b:77:6f:ff:9c 20:48:14 <planetmaker> e.g. a mac server 24/7? 20:48:27 <Nite_Owl> Actually I think it was plural - War Pigs 20:48:37 <planetmaker> where there'd be a free account? 20:48:46 <andythenorth> Belugas: Beer I am drinking. I have 3 spare. But I'm on the wrong side of the Atlantic no? 20:48:49 <Prof_Frink> Nite_Owl: That's what the id3 says here. 20:48:57 <andythenorth> Unless you have tanks and a wetsuit and are prepared to swim 20:48:58 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I'd say no. 20:49:03 <Nite_Owl> Either way a great song on a great album 20:49:07 <planetmaker> oh. nvm 20:49:18 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 20:49:32 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i'd say you're on the right side, but you people have trouble with right and not right anyway... :p 20:49:40 <Belugas> yup, Nite_Owl 20:49:45 <planetmaker> haha @ Eddi 20:49:55 <Nite_Owl> Iron Man was on that album too 20:50:08 <andythenorth> planetmaker: why is Xserve needed? I missed that part in the thread 20:50:09 <Belugas> almost all the big hits 20:50:21 <planetmaker> andythenorth: so... could you supply a dev with a (personal) mac? 20:50:34 <andythenorth> planetmaker: yup np 20:50:40 <planetmaker> concerning xserve: for the compile farm in order to build the nightlies 20:51:08 <planetmaker> andythenorth: then please do supply that. Dunno whom of them would want it, though :-) 20:51:20 <andythenorth> probably a G4 mac mini, G5 imac, G4 emac. intel is harder (we use those) 20:51:30 <andythenorth> but there might be an intel machine spare somewhere 20:51:56 <planetmaker> well... tests the PPC part and endian things :-) 20:54:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but PPC and endian are not the main problems 20:54:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the main problems are 10.5 and 10.6 support 20:54:23 <planetmaker> yes, they aren't 20:54:35 <planetmaker> but 10.5 runs also on PPC. 20:54:44 <planetmaker> 10.6 doesn't. 20:55:28 <planetmaker> but for the sake of simplicity 10.6 might be the choice, if given 20:56:36 <planetmaker> if something has to be sacrificed it might rather be ppc and 10.3 support than 10.5+ 20:58:32 <andythenorth> ooh...OpenTTD Win has an installer :P 20:58:38 <andythenorth> unexpected! 20:59:00 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 20:59:53 <planetmaker> he :-) 21:00:14 <Rubidium> andythenorth: you don't need to use the installer ;) 21:00:29 <andythenorth> Rubidium: why not? 21:01:15 <Rubidium> the same reason you don't need an installer for OSX 21:02:01 <welshdragon> Regarding OpenTTD and 10.6, until a developer can be found, recommend using VMWare Fusion, and running a WInXP VM 21:02:01 <andythenorth> Rubidium: I think you're overlooking that I have *no* idea where to put an app for Windows (including the crazy Crossover filesystem) 21:02:16 <andythenorth> welshdragon: means I have to pay the windows tax 21:02:35 <andythenorth> why not get a linux vm in that case? 21:02:41 <welshdragon> true 21:02:44 <planetmaker> andythenorth: OpenTTD does not need installation. On any system 21:03:14 <welshdragon> but isn't getting Linux to run on Macs generally more difficult, andythenorth? 21:03:25 <andythenorth> with a VM? 21:03:39 <welshdragon> I've not tried it 21:03:49 <andythenorth> pretty trivial in my experience. Download a packaged vm from vmware, run 21:03:55 <andythenorth> Then get utterly confused by Linux 21:04:08 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@51.139.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:04:24 <welshdragon> as there is no description of VMWare on the ubuntu wiki 21:05:45 <planetmaker> reason might be that it's a proprietary programme... 21:05:52 <Prof_Frink> virtualbox? 21:06:08 <planetmaker> is not vmware ;-) 21:06:23 <andythenorth> welshdragon: http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/cat/508 21:07:07 <Prof_Frink> *buntu works fine in it though. 21:07:32 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust1013.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:41 <andythenorth> Crossover can't find sample.cat - cluestick (I'm off to the wiki, but you guys might know the answer faster) 21:08:11 <Rubidium> where did you put sample.cat? in the data directory? 21:08:14 <Prof_Frink> TTD datafile. 21:08:33 <andythenorth> Rubidium: yes, in data, that's why I'm confused 21:08:38 <andythenorth> it's there 21:08:41 <planetmaker> andythenorth: if it's simulating windows, it might look in c:\own files\... 21:08:43 <planetmaker> or alike 21:08:57 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17638 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3235]: Crash when trying to build an industry that has no industry layout defined; yes, it's very similar to r17633 because one case was forgotten. 21:09:26 <andythenorth> it didn't like my alias to my mac 'data' dir 21:09:34 <andythenorth> I'm now looking at the start screen 21:09:38 <andythenorth> (of OpenTTD) 21:10:00 <andythenorth> newgrfs are there 21:10:09 <andythenorth> default TTD graphics are missing - OpenGFX only 21:10:17 <planetmaker> :-) 21:10:34 <andythenorth> drag-resize window didn't cause any fail to happen 21:10:49 <andythenorth> can't load a mac save game file 21:11:03 <Rubidium> probably a permissions issue 21:11:09 <andythenorth> oops nvm save game issue, made with a recent nightly 21:11:15 <andythenorth> I'm trying 0.7.2 21:11:20 <planetmaker> :-D 21:12:08 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 21:12:59 <YoG_> Hi, I've compiled OpenTTD with cargodist, but it seems that it doesn't work, all I get is "x passengers via any station" "x passengers to any station", do I have to switch something on? 21:13:04 <andythenorth> hmm panning the viewport isn't working as expected 21:13:16 <andythenorth> how do you normally pan the viewport in windows? 21:13:19 <welshdragon> YoG_: check under advanced settings 21:13:33 <welshdragon> andythenorth: with arrow keys :P 21:14:24 <YoG_> welshdragon: thanks, under "Link graph" passengers are set to "symmetric", is there anything else I should do? 21:14:38 <welshdragon> YoG_: no idea 21:14:41 <welshdragon> experiment 21:15:56 <Belugas> runnning fucking rght now to fucking home 21:16:01 <Belugas> fuck you vry much 21:16:04 <Belugas> bye bye 21:16:11 <Alberth> bye Belugas 21:16:36 <Rubidium> night Belugas 21:16:43 <andythenorth> bye Belugas 21:16:58 <Muxy> Goulp Kiss Belugas 21:17:08 <Belugas> Rock on guys! 21:17:12 * Belugas is gone 21:17:13 <welshdragon> moody Belugas 21:17:15 <welshdragon> bye! 21:17:35 <Eddi|zuHause> fuck bye? 21:17:44 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas 21:19:27 <andythenorth> loading a save game works on Crossover 21:19:40 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:19:45 <Yexo> good evening 21:20:17 *** Guest3735 [~Administr@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:08 <andythenorth> hmm. So Crossover looks promising. But I want original graphics back! Much as I love OpenGFX... 21:21:28 <andythenorth> the TTD original files are in /data 21:21:29 <planetmaker> bye Belugas, hello Yexo 21:22:04 <Yexo> andythenorth: and the correct obg file? 21:22:37 <Yexo> YoG_: you might have more success on the forum in the cargodist topic 21:23:10 <andythenorth> Yexo: which obg file do I need? 21:23:36 <Yexo> original_win / original_dos I think 21:23:40 <planetmaker> Yexo: for the original data? 21:23:52 <planetmaker> interesting. Never seen them :-) 21:24:06 <YoG_> Yexo: Thanks, I'll try there, just thought I'll get a quicker answer here 21:24:21 <Nite_Owl> opening screen selection 21:24:27 <Yexo> mostly you get a faster answer here, but when you're using a patch it can be tricky 21:25:06 <andythenorth> Yexo: I've never had an obg file for Mac OpenTTD...unless I've forgotten it 21:25:29 <Yexo> andythenorth: you most certainly have, or you woudn't have the graphics 21:25:39 <andythenorth> yup, I've forgotten it 21:25:40 <Yexo> but it coudl be in the data directory in your installation directory? 21:25:59 <Rubidium> (which is quite well hidden for OSX) 21:26:57 <andythenorth> I have lots of obg files, but they are all in my svn checkout of openttd, not in my path for the actual mac app 21:28:20 <andythenorth> now I need openttdw.grf :| 21:28:28 <andythenorth> also in my svn checkout :) 21:28:38 <Yexo> and also installed somewhere 21:28:38 <Rubidium> that is *also* in the windows install zip 21:28:55 <andythenorth> oh, bye bye Crossover :( it quite 21:28:58 <andythenorth> quit 21:28:58 <Rubidium> and *also* in the OSX bundle you download from the website 21:29:24 <planetmaker> try paralles :-P with a real win install 21:29:27 <andythenorth> ok they'll be in the package then :) 21:29:35 <andythenorth> makes sense 21:29:44 <planetmaker> and talk Rubidium into wanting your mac ;-) 21:30:28 <Rubidium> sorry, but I was forbidden from using Macs ~10 years ago 21:30:34 <andythenorth> "this is the data dir you are looking for" 21:30:34 <andythenorth> yay, original graphics, improved start screen 21:30:55 <planetmaker> haha @ Rubidium ;-) 21:31:06 <andythenorth> And I've found how to mouse-scroll, ahem, it's an advanced option (embarassed) 21:31:26 <Rubidium> could be that (randomly-ish) OpenGFX is prefered to the original graphics in a clean install (because it finds it earlier or so) 21:31:37 <andythenorth> Right, smells like OpenTTD, looks like OpenTTD... 21:31:49 <andythenorth> only differences to regular mac openttd are: 21:31:54 <andythenorth> 1. x11 icon in the menu bar 21:32:02 <andythenorth> 2. crazy file system in save / load 21:32:32 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I'm serious :) I crashed a macbook so thoroughly that the only way to reset it was removing the battery and power connector. No other tricks to restart, like the on/off button etc worked 21:32:47 <andythenorth> Oh, and I have no idea how I'd patch then compile for win on a mac, but that's a problem for later 21:34:56 * Rubidium neither :) 21:36:06 <andythenorth> not noticeably slow via Crossover 21:36:40 <andythenorth> arrrgghhh but the mouse-scroll is inverted :( 21:36:43 <planetmaker> Rubidium: sounds interesting ;-) 21:37:08 <andythenorth> fixed mouse scroll :D 21:37:52 <planetmaker> but you might do with "yours" then whatever you see fit :-P 21:39:55 <andythenorth> Crossover looks like a solution for mac users 21:40:01 <andythenorth> which cheers me up 21:40:14 <Rubidium> no, it's no solution 21:40:19 <Rubidium> it's a work around 21:40:45 <andythenorth> Well I'd temporarily lost interest in my newgrf projects. seemed no point continuing. Crossover makes it worthwhile again... 21:40:54 <Rubidium> andythenorth: if you select French, does the font change? 21:41:40 <andythenorth> Rubidium: no, I get an error: FreeType reported error 0x1 21:41:45 *** Sionide- [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 21:42:07 <andythenorth> Actually several errors. Clicking ok on the dialogs made them go away... 21:42:29 <andythenorth> Font did change though 21:42:40 <andythenorth> Let me try the full error 21:42:43 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:45 *** Sionide- is now known as Sionide 21:43:06 <Rubidium> nah, probably some API that crossover still misses 21:43:25 <andythenorth> Unable to use Arial for small font. FreeType reported error 0x1, using sprite font instead 21:43:43 <andythenorth> same for medium + large 21:43:47 <Rubidium> not very odd because it's something font related which Apple doesn't seem to have implemented in a manner that is easily useful for crossover/wine 21:43:55 <andythenorth> ok 21:44:00 <planetmaker> :-D 21:44:21 <Rubidium> so crossover is useless for all languages that have non-standard-gfx characters 21:45:01 <planetmaker> that probably depends upon which language OSX is installed in. 21:45:46 <planetmaker> like, I can only type chinese, if I actually activate the chinese input methods 21:45:50 <planetmaker> like on any OS 21:46:12 <planetmaker> ??????? 21:46:35 <planetmaker> but it works :-P - no idea what I typed, though ;-) 21:47:22 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-255-186.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:47:24 <Rubidium> planetmaker: you're doing that in crossover? 21:47:29 <planetmaker> nope. 21:47:55 <Rubidium> and normal OSX did autodetect a proper font? 21:48:02 <planetmaker> Nor did I claim to do so. My point was: crossover might find it easier, if this was, though, activated in OSX. 21:48:25 <planetmaker> And no, my OSX doesn't come up with a good font for chinese 21:48:32 <Rubidium> (that I already knew cause it isn't implemented) 21:48:54 <planetmaker> but it's not principle problem to type chinese on native mac 21:49:02 <planetmaker> I just switch the input method and type away 21:49:11 <Rubidium> Windows does come with a font, but in crossover/wine it apparantly doesn't really work 21:49:29 <planetmaker> that should work natively since mac 10.3 latest 21:49:47 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 21:51:21 <planetmaker> maybe I should dig again into the fonts now I learnt a bit more about the APIs... 21:51:32 <Rubidium> by the way, was I even talking about input? 21:51:48 <Rubidium> (just trying to understand why you came up with that topic) 21:52:16 <planetmaker> nope. But obviously for chinese characters it needs a different font than for these latin ones. 21:52:26 <planetmaker> so there's automatically some choice made 21:54:20 <planetmaker> so basically I agree: it's crossover failing there probably 21:58:26 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9EFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:02:34 <planetmaker> btw... couldn't some easy things where patches exist not be actually commited? Like http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3205 ? 22:04:20 <Rubidium> they could be, but not by me 22:04:37 <planetmaker> so you actively want to have it decay? 22:05:16 <Rubidium> no, I've had it with stab-in-the-black fixes that some people report success for that then break for much more people 22:06:23 <Rubidium> as such I won't commit stuff I can't test/haven't tested anymore 22:07:23 <Rubidium> 'cause I can't verify whether it makes it actually better or just accidentally fixes it for a single person 22:07:46 <Rubidium> if someone else wants to burn his fingers on it, that's fine by me 22:09:20 <planetmaker> e.g. 3205 is not mac specific. It's endian specific 22:09:25 * Rubidium just committed too much OSX related stuff over time that broke more than it actually fixes because he couldn't test it 22:10:03 <planetmaker> blame me if it brakes 22:10:06 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 22:10:18 <planetmaker> *breaks 22:15:02 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B3AD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2F1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:17:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:21:36 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:52 <Terkhen> good night 22:24:03 *** Terkhen [~terkhen@200.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:25:18 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 22:29:30 *** YoG_ [~chatzilla@bzq-79-177-102-14.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 22:31:11 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:17 <Nite_Owl> feeding time - later all 22:36:28 <Rubidium> good luck making owl balls :) 22:36:53 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:48:19 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051152222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 22:49:08 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:25 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 22:54:49 <andythenorth> right I've defeated the css. Today was code soup: python, jQuery, css, html, tal. Time for bed 22:54:59 <andythenorth> good night 22:55:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.81.181.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 22:57:46 <welshdragon> http://xkcd.com/391/ < yay 23:12:23 <davis> xkcd<3 23:12:28 <davis> even my gf likes xkcd. 23:12:28 <davis> :D 23:29:10 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 23:32:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75B1F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:36:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-255-186.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:47:02 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2F1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:47 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2F85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:48:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:50:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd