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00:07:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate windows users... 00:07:44 <Eddi|zuHause> they make their svn repo [i'm glad they even have one] directories "Trunk" and "Tags" 00:07:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:13 *** Brianett1 is now known as Brianetta 00:08:47 <edeca> Rather than? 00:09:01 <Eddi|zuHause> "trunk" and "tags"? 00:09:45 <edeca> Fair enough :) 00:10:09 <edeca> I had a "perl" and "Perl" directories in my ~ by mistake. Mapping those to Windows over a samba share was.. interesting 00:12:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and obviously they can't use svn... copying directories without history... 00:12:55 <Belugas> [18:22] <Eddi|zuHause> why did nobody ever replace "CalcBridgePiece" by a newgrf callback? <-- got some work on that, but i am too lazy to finish it 00:15:21 <peter1138> sir! 00:15:38 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 00:17:32 <Belugas> coucou! 00:17:43 <Belugas> be there shortly, Admiral ;) 00:19:46 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 00:20:21 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:18 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7bc6.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 00:29:24 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485F21A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76BD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76930.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:26 <Belugas> ok, give me 2-3 minutes, the tiem i install my gear, peter1138 00:36:28 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F950.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:47:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 00:54:07 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 00:54:57 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7bc6.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:56:20 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-171-53-144.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:56:36 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.119.136] has quit [Quit: ????] 01:07:59 *** Danio [~Danio@83.101.65.8] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:04 *** lskdfj [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 01:08:17 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:19 *** lskdfj is now known as LadyHawk 01:10:22 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-227-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:36:36 *** Zahl 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wat are you STILL doing up, Rubidium? 02:00:13 <Rubidium> I was hoping you could answer that :) 02:00:47 <Belugas> too much coding makes you that effecdt, sometimes ;) 02:01:05 <Rubidium> nah, haven't coded a bit today 02:01:33 <Belugas> ok... since i know you don't drink, and it;s not fool moon... 02:01:41 <Belugas> and you're not a vampire... 02:01:43 <Belugas> and... 02:01:46 <Belugas> mmmh... 02:01:49 <Belugas> dunno 02:01:57 <Belugas> neightbours? 02:02:16 <Belugas> mmmh.. 02:02:30 <Belugas> your brother is snoring? 02:02:31 <Rubidium> more like waking up when it's getting light, as an effect getting sleepy quite late 02:03:11 <Belugas> hehee... you're switching to glx's life style ;)\ 02:03:13 <Rubidium> in the summer it's more the opposite... being awake till it gets dark, as an effect waking quite late 02:06:19 <Belugas> you should get a child... thoselittle brats have a tendancy to imnpose their life style quite fast :( 02:06:37 <Belugas> and now, i'm a zombie (alomost) 02:06:51 <Belugas> see you, closing the shop for the night 02:07:04 <Rubidium> I'll just unleash the child in myself :) 02:09:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.185.190] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:20:18 *** Netsplit kinetic.oftc.net <-> joule.oftc.net quits: Sionide, xi23, @DorpsGek, Fuco, Sacro, guru3, @Rubidium, Andel, SirSquidness, Lachie, (+78 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 03:22:38 *** Netsplit over, joins: KenjiE20|LT, PeterT, Lakie, oskari89, planetmaker, Westie, Lachie, jonty-comp, Andel, fjb (+42 more) 03:22:55 *** Netsplit over, joins: LadyHawk, Eddi|zuHause, DaleStan, murr4y, Prof_Frink, worldemar, Yexo, Sionide, Sacro, ChoHag (+5 more) 03:23:17 *** Netsplit over, joins: +michi_cc 03:23:29 *** Netsplit over, joins: SpComb, @orudge, Born_Acorn, Fuco, FooBar, Ammler, Hirundo, XeryusTC, SmatZ, tneo (+10 more) 03:45:57 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 03:52:00 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] 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I am serious, desu.] 09:38:50 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:43:12 *** Luukland [~Hassan@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:43:20 <Luukland> Mr. Muxy? 09:43:31 <Muxy> i'm here 09:43:41 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 09:44:02 <Luukland> have you yet completed a part of the campaign? 09:44:48 <Luukland> I am proud to say "The Luukland Server" is opened :) 09:44:52 <Alberth> for a small enough part, the answer is always yes :) 09:54:18 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DAF6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:04:07 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 10:22:10 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:29:01 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:31:39 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 10:37:18 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 10:37:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:44:47 *** worldemar [~woldemar@213.178.40.148] has joined #openttd 10:50:43 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:56:43 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:11:16 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB958.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:13:23 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest1392 11:13:26 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:14:18 *** Guest1392 [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:32 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 11:15:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 11:44:46 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 11:48:21 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:51:14 *** octo [octo@if-loop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:51:19 *** octo [octo@if-loop.org] has joined #openttd 11:51:21 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@217.216.92.111.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 11:51:45 <Terkhen> hello 11:52:34 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji212.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:52:53 *** peter1138 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:52:54 *** peter1138 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 11:52:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 11:57:14 *** Danio [~Danio@83.101.65.8] has joined #openttd 11:57:30 *** Danio [~Danio@83.101.65.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:16 *** Danio [~Danio@83.101.65.8] has joined #openttd 12:00:23 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce4:1858:1:eca7:8816:2685:68eb] has joined #openttd 12:00:47 <andythenorth> hi Terkhen 12:00:50 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:04:52 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 12:07:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 12:10:20 <planetmaker> moin moin 12:10:23 *** xi23 [~xi@ip-85-160-12-109.eurotel.cz] has joined #openttd 12:11:06 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: concerning bananas: does there exist a kind of API which one could use to upload updates to existing projects via a script or alike? 12:11:30 <planetmaker> We're thinking of adding a commit hook to the devzone so that tagged commits could be uploaded to bananas then automatically 12:12:07 <planetmaker> (if the project is flaged to support this feature) 12:12:33 <TrueBrain> in theory it would be possible, but no real code exists for it 12:12:42 <TrueBrain> but as BaNaNaS is in SVN, I suggest yo make a nice patch for it :) 12:12:55 <planetmaker> he :-) 12:13:21 <planetmaker> but let's see 12:13:24 <planetmaker> thanks 12:14:51 <Eddi|zuHause> use XML!! 12:15:01 <TrueBrain> yeah, great advise! 12:15:07 <TrueBrain> I KNOW ANOTHER ONE! LETS USE TCP! 12:16:19 <planetmaker> we should definitely use whitespace 12:16:58 <Rubidium> use COBOL... it's for businesses and this is definitely a b2b kind of protocol 12:17:04 <Eddi|zuHause> BUT XML IS THE SAVIOUR OF MANKIND 12:17:32 <Eddi|zuHause> IF ONLY THE CLIMATE PEOPLE USED XML 12:17:46 <Alberth> planetmaker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_%28programming_language%29 12:18:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: i'm fairly sure he meant exactly that :p 12:18:23 <planetmaker> :-) ^ 12:18:50 <Alberth> Hmm, I'd expect Whitespace then :) 12:19:08 <planetmaker> you mean s/w/W/? 12:19:22 <Alberth> yes 12:19:57 <planetmaker> well... :-) I shouldh have done it then :-) 12:20:04 <planetmaker> -h 12:20:29 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... so my windows compiler compiles, but somehow the program segfaults on start... 12:21:11 <Alberth> you didn't use enough xml 12:21:28 <planetmaker> haha :-) 12:21:45 <Eddi|zuHause> that must be it... 12:21:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i am such an idiot 12:31:08 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.119.136] has joined #openttd 12:36:27 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B45860.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:19 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c14a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:30 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@80.247.163.107] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:44:33 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@80.247.163.107] has joined #openttd 12:47:56 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@203.162.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:51 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@203.162.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [] 13:08:21 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaa05a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:10:28 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji212.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 13:18:23 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:23:32 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:32:19 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33:16 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaa05a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40:34 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3407:d8fb:1d20:4b37] has joined #openttd 13:40:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:45:39 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:45:39 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 13:47:21 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaa05a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:50:17 *** jpm [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:51:00 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcb97.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:02:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.185.190] has joined #openttd 14:02:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:04:07 *** Markk [~markk@91.90.24.184] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:04:15 *** Markk [~markk@91.90.24.184] has joined #openttd 14:08:52 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@217.216.92.111.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: ...] 14:13:59 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:17:43 *** welterde [welterde@not.welterde.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:18:33 *** welterde [welterde@not.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 14:22:24 *** Strid__ [~Strid@c-fe85e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:22:27 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B45860.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:22:40 *** Strid__ [~Strid@c-fe85e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 14:24:39 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:4e33:5916:1:eca7:8816:2685:68eb] has joined #openttd 14:26:45 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:26:46 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 14:27:05 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:28:19 *** Fuco [~a@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:29:56 *** Zahl__ [~Zahl@f051089022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:29:57 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:4e33:5916:1:eca7:8816:2685:68eb] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:45 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce4:1858:1:eca7:8816:2685:68eb] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:45 *** Zahl__ is now known as Zahl 14:38:00 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 14:41:58 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B45860.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:48:08 <planetmaker> any thoughts on that: Good idea to disable a grf, if the engine pool is off? 14:53:35 <Eddi|zuHause> well, other way round: skip disable the grf if multiple vehicle sets are on 14:53:50 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:54:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i find it funny that my "troll" post actually leads to a discussion ;) 14:57:08 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: well, technically it's the same, if I skip disabling, if on, or disable, if not on :-) But I don't know which "troll" posting you refer to... 15:05:23 <fjb> Don't feed Eddi|zuHause! 15:10:36 <Ammler> planetmaker: it isn't the same, eddi's suggestion would also work, if openttd doesn't know about the properity, like old openttd versions. 15:11:04 <planetmaker> right. Fine enough, though. I'll do it that way 15:11:51 <Ammler> hmm, on the other side, dunno, what an old openttd would return... 15:17:11 <planetmaker> well. I certainly will have to check for that version before 15:19:03 <frosch123> flags are zero if not present 15:19:05 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 15:21:14 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B45860.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:21:33 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@93.186.164.51] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:21:57 <peter1138> what's being tested for what? 15:22:01 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@93.186.164.51] has joined #openttd 15:29:02 <frosch123> pm wants to persuade all grf authors to disable their vehicle sets if dynamic engines is disabled 15:29:15 <frosch123> or so 15:30:43 <planetmaker> well. I want to persuade them to not mind anymore after the base settings are local 15:30:50 *** ashb [~ash@callisto.firemirror.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:31:04 *** ashb [~ash@callisto.firemirror.com] has joined #openttd 15:31:09 <planetmaker> And _I_ will disable the grfs which I develop, if it's off. Less complaints 15:31:20 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:31:27 <planetmaker> or at least I'll try to persuade my co-developers 15:32:07 <planetmaker> and much easier for me, if I don't have to care about conflicts and stuff 15:32:28 <planetmaker> as you said: GRM is... mostly not used anyway 15:32:34 <planetmaker> and much work to implement 15:32:39 <planetmaker> for little gain 15:33:29 <planetmaker> s/base settings/base costs/ 15:33:59 <Ammler> but why do you need to enable it for 2cc? 15:34:19 <Ammler> the higher vehicle IDs should also work wihtout the engine pool, iirc. 15:35:15 <planetmaker> also OpenTTD players don't always enable the pool and then wonder. 15:36:09 <Ammler> maybe you can output a warning, but disabling isn't needed. 15:36:15 <peter1138> 15:36:26 <planetmaker> well, I could, yes. But why? 15:36:46 <peter1138> hehe 15:36:54 <Ammler> maybe someone wants to overrule a 2cc vehicle :-) 15:36:57 <peter1138> well i don't particularly care either way... 15:37:18 <peter1138> but i'm just a fan of pikka's work ;) 15:37:42 <planetmaker> :-) What of his many awesome things do you refer to in particular, peter1138 ? 15:37:52 <planetmaker> Ammler: got a point there, yes 15:37:59 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Quit: hello] 15:38:22 <Ammler> well, on the other side, you could make a grf for overruling :-) 15:38:26 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 15:38:51 <Ammler> override or overwrite, whatever* :-) 15:39:07 <planetmaker> you mean the "only allow co-existance, if parameter set"? 15:39:24 <peter1138> planetmaker, currently... both aviators and aviation... ukrs, tai, pbi... 15:40:04 <peter1138> (also have FISH, HEQS, eGRVTS and newstations & ISR) 15:43:22 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 15:49:20 <peter1138> (oh, and using opengfx of course) 15:51:36 <planetmaker> :-) 15:54:05 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 15:54:31 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:55:41 <fjb> The only thing I dislaike about OpenGFX are the missing bales of straw on the fields. 15:56:38 <peter1138> damn you 15:56:41 <peter1138> i hadn't even noticed 15:56:44 <peter1138> now it will bug me 15:57:09 <fjb> :-) 15:57:30 <planetmaker> he... 15:57:45 <planetmaker> indeed damn you :-P 15:58:02 <planetmaker> same here 15:58:33 <fjb> So convince the artist to add some. Can not be that hard. 15:59:35 <Rubidium> bug report! 15:59:44 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:59:45 <fjb> Yeah! 15:59:47 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:00:20 <LordAzamath> noeh 16:02:52 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 16:03:34 <fjb> Moin LordAzamath 16:04:49 *** Luukland [~Hassan@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:49 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 16:08:33 <planetmaker> added to our bug tracker 16:09:06 <fjb> :-) 16:09:30 <fjb> It bugged me the first time I used OpenGFX. 16:09:55 <peter1138> the dreary dim greyness bugged me the first time 16:10:09 <peter1138> i got used to it now, and bright garishness of the original graphics bugs me now ;) 16:11:41 <fjb> It takes some time to get used to it. 16:11:58 <planetmaker> it does. 16:12:28 <fjb> I like the houses. 16:12:43 <fjb> Way more than the original houses. 16:12:45 <planetmaker> Zephyris did most 16:13:17 <planetmaker> when I looked up *how* much he did I was so much more impressed. Having his fingers in 2/3 of all things or so 16:14:25 <fjb> He does it great. But some thing look very "british". 16:14:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.218.165] has joined #openttd 16:14:53 <planetmaker> No principle fault in that 16:15:16 <planetmaker> The similarity between the UK house set and OpenGFX houses certainly is not accidential :-P 16:15:24 <andythenorth> most of the game looks very 'British" :) 16:15:33 <andythenorth> apart from the 'other' three climates :) 16:15:55 <andythenorth> most of temperate looks like where I live 16:16:14 <planetmaker> he... that'd be something for the 'extra' part: some more actionA for houses - thus have climates really distinct. 16:16:31 <fjb> Temperate looks also central european or part of the USA. You just have to change the houses and vehicles. 16:17:35 <andythenorth> temperate looking live where I live is no coincidence, as Chris Sawyer lived here (dunno about Simon Foster) 16:18:29 <fjb> It also looks like where I live. 16:19:44 <andythenorth> :) 16:20:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.185.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:28:43 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 16:31:46 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:37:21 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:50 <planetmaker> hehe. mb wants to split hairs. I can do that, too 16:40:09 <frosch123> lol, did you read those books, or did you just searched for some about the topic? 16:40:19 <planetmaker> I own them, yes. 16:40:29 <planetmaker> I found them actually quite interesting 16:41:40 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:00 <fjb> German forum? 16:42:09 <planetmaker> dunno. They might even be standard reading, if you study sociology / psychology or similar. @fbb: yes 16:42:21 <planetmaker> fjb: ^ 16:49:33 *** xi23 [~xi@ip-85-160-12-109.eurotel.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:50:50 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaa05a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:58:23 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1431 16:58:23 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@24.12.4.37] has joined #openttd 16:58:24 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 16:58:44 <fjb> I stopped reading the german forum. 16:59:10 <frosch123> i stopped reading intentionally offensive posts :p 17:01:46 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:04:05 *** Guest1431 [~Dale@24.12.4.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:05:03 <planetmaker> good choice, I guess 17:08:35 *** Luukland [~Hassan@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:13:51 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 17:15:55 <peter1138> i can't read the german forum 17:18:09 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm197.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 17:18:50 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B22A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:32 <planetmaker> nothing missed actually. He's bitching around as usual without good reason 17:21:06 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B26B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:21:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:21:22 <planetmaker> kinda jumping onto things by deliberately misunderstanding it :-) 17:22:01 <peter1138> TELL ME 17:22:30 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:23:28 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:48 <planetmaker> well... I argued that with the local base costs there's no need to start a "disable-orgy" within the German RV set, checking for the presence of each other known RV grf. 17:24:07 <planetmaker> He wants to understand it the way that I argued to disable all other newgrf 17:24:59 <planetmaker> now we argue which part of his words are quotes and which interpretation ;-) 17:27:43 <peter1138> there was a crowd that trested the conflicting-vehicle-sets as a new problem with the 'engine pool' 17:27:47 <peter1138> *treated 17:28:35 <planetmaker> I recall that :-) And that triggered my first posting - directed to the creator of the German RV set - which is not mb 17:29:24 <planetmaker> which could from a certain perspective indeed legitamately be seen as a problem till recently 17:29:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F03F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:44 <planetmaker> And I pointed out that something changed now wrt base costs 17:30:20 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:25 <planetmaker> and the answer was that base costs were not the main problem, but others he didn't care to elaborate 17:30:38 <planetmaker> ^ he = mb 17:31:24 <planetmaker> which kinda disqualified that discussion at that very point 17:31:37 <Rubidium> planetmaker: we *all* know mb always whines and seldomly gives proper reasons as to why something is wrong 17:32:05 <planetmaker> I know :-) If I bore you, I'll stop here re-iterating it. 17:37:37 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:39:36 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:49:47 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:58:30 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DAF6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Die Nützlichkeit der Götter war schon immer eine zweifelhafte Sache. Man wusste nie so genau, wie man sie wirksam einsetzen konnte, ohne dass sie gleich b] 18:03:06 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:22 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:08:29 <Eddi|zuHause> since when does tt-forums rescale attached images? 18:08:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate that function... 18:08:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i hate rescaled images 18:08:55 * Luukland agrees 18:09:12 <Eddi|zuHause> thumbnails i could get used to 18:11:45 <Eddi|zuHause> and is this my imagination or does this also upscale smaller images? 18:16:45 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rubidium> planetmaker: we *all* know mb always whines and seldomly gives proper reasons as to why something is wrong <-- well, he always refers you to a previous discussion. which always also refers to another previous discussion, so you can recursively follow down that road and maybe it actually leads to a valid argument ;) 18:17:46 <planetmaker> ^ that's a bit tedious ;-) given the big chance one would take to step into an infinite cycle 18:21:02 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 18:21:19 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: you mean "I've made a post about those bugs somewhen somewhere but I can't be bothered to give you a specific link nor tell you where to look"? 18:27:13 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:27:39 <peter1138> mostly it's "i don't want other people to be able to play with other vehicles at the same time" 18:28:21 <Luukland> peter1138. are u the peter from the board who asked something in the thread I opened? 18:28:35 <Muxy> no he is not this one 18:28:46 <Muxy> peter1138 is known as PeterN 18:28:52 <Muxy> and our Peter is PeterT 18:28:56 <Luukland> Hmmmm 18:29:10 <Luukland> Why does the world has to be soooo hard.... 18:29:16 <PeterT> Hello Luukland 18:29:26 <Muxy> But PeterT is here 18:29:33 <Luukland> I see :) 18:29:49 <PeterT> You could also upload a patch file, with all the changes in it 18:30:26 <Luukland> yet the question is, do we have one ^^ 18:30:48 <Muxy> publishing source code is not the actual point we are focussed on 18:31:07 <Luukland> that would require massive documenting 18:31:32 <Muxy> And the source code will not be enough, there is some extra OpenTTD work 18:31:53 <Luukland> yeap some extra outside documenting 18:32:31 <Luukland> Only a true Rubik's Cube solver can understand 18:32:34 <Luukland> Righ muxy? 18:32:48 <Muxy> Yes 18:34:01 <PeterT> Ahh 18:34:18 <PeterT> You used SVN to download the original OpenTTD source, correct? 18:34:41 <Muxy> No 18:35:01 <PeterT> How did you download it? 18:35:13 <Muxy> we didnt download it 18:35:33 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:4e33:5916:1:eca7:8816:2685:68eb] has joined #openttd 18:35:36 <PeterT> Than how the hell are you running a heavily patched server without downloading the source? 18:36:05 <Luukland> SVN, is that eatable? 18:36:10 <Muxy> Reverse Engeniring or womething like that 18:36:13 <Luukland> Like coconuts? 18:36:29 <Luukland> *Engineering 18:36:56 <Muxy> Yes, that's it Engineering 18:37:48 <PeterT> I'm off 18:37:51 <PeterT> Bye 18:37:53 <Muxy> Anyway, PeterT, i dont want to bother people here with that story 18:38:00 <PeterT> Bye 18:38:01 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:38:38 <peter1138> reverse engineering openttd? whatever for... 18:39:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39:23 <Luukland> Openttd Campaigns ^^ 18:39:29 <Luukland> And other quests and missions :) 18:42:09 <peter1138> no, i meant why 18:42:37 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051089022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:37 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:52:40 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:52:50 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:54 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:10 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:59:26 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:05:21 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@24.12.4.37] has joined #openttd 19:05:21 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1446 19:05:21 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:06:27 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 19:11:59 *** Guest1446 [~Dale@24.12.4.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:04 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:27 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:23:22 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm197.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: go go poo poo to you too] 19:28:17 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@24.12.4.37] has joined #openttd 19:28:17 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1450 19:28:17 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:34:42 *** Guest1450 [~Dale@24.12.4.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:59 *** DaleStan [~Dale@24.12.4.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 19:57:41 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 19:58:08 <DJNekkid> can a train use RV-based (or plane or ship for that matter) runningcosts? 19:59:31 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:59:43 <DJNekkid> (A0 property 0E) 20:00:18 <welshdragon> hmm 20:00:31 <welshdragon> I was going to install openttd on my macbook 20:00:44 <welshdragon> but i don't have any virtual machines 20:02:22 <frosch123> DJNekkid: you can, but it will conflict with rv sets. esp. cost modifiers will not be considered local 20:02:49 <planetmaker> welshdragon: why would you need a VM for that? 20:03:07 <frosch123> a very old version of us train set uses ship costs, and it conflicts :) 20:03:09 <planetmaker> frosch123: even with your changes? 20:03:13 <frosch123> yes 20:03:23 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-7bf8e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:03:41 <planetmaker> but if I use one type only, then it wouldn't conflict with another of the same type, right? 20:03:49 <frosch123> well, except you add some roadvehicle :p 20:03:53 <welshdragon> planetmaker: does 0.7.3 work on OSX? 20:04:05 <planetmaker> frosch123: yes, a dummy one then, of course 20:04:09 <planetmaker> welshdragon: sure 20:04:25 <frosch123> but i would consider that "not intentional" 20:04:39 <planetmaker> frosch123: hehe ;-) 20:04:46 <planetmaker> how bad would such abuse be? 20:05:01 <frosch123> your fault, if it breaks due to other priorities 20:05:16 <frosch123> anyway, why would you want to use another multiplier? 20:05:34 <frosch123> the old us set did it only, because there were no base cost mulitpliers at that time 20:05:44 <frosch123> but why would you want to do it today? 20:05:56 <planetmaker> I guess different cost schemes for metro, EMU, DMU, ICEs, cargo haulers 20:06:06 <planetmaker> DJNekkid's idea :-P 20:06:26 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:29 * planetmaker points with a finger and 'wasn't me! wasn't me!' ;-) 20:06:44 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:07:24 <frosch123> ok, you could use the rv cost multiplier for metro as long as you do not set a mutiplier yourself. other rv sets would use their local mutipliers, and difficulty-modifying newgrfs changed rv costs would then change metro cost 20:07:49 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_PkJ_4oEjc << nsfw] 20:07:55 <frosch123> if you consider metro just as some kind of rv, it should be ok. but don't mess with real rv sets :) 20:07:59 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:15 <planetmaker> :-) ok 20:08:17 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:08:53 <frosch123> but, of course you could also solve the stuff using action6 and grf parameters 20:10:20 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:12 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:12:11 <planetmaker> The 2ccTrainSet already has running costs as function of grfparameters. The idea was to have access to one or two more. But... yes, could be guarded by another incompatibility parameter or so 20:12:47 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:13:18 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-219-248.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:14:29 <DJNekkid> frosch123: the point was (i were slightly afk) that the running cost is (according to planetmaker) now local for the newgrfs... 20:14:52 <DJNekkid> you can have more trainsets then one, and the changes done in trainset1 dont affect trainset2 ... 20:14:56 <frosch123> yes, but they are only local if there is some action0/3 for the feature 20:15:25 <frosch123> defining a train makes the train-related costs loca, defining a rv makes the rv-related costs local 20:15:52 <frosch123> http://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src/table/pricebase.h <- third column 20:16:11 <DJNekkid> so ... if i make a RV in a trainset, that have for example property6 (iirc) (climate availability) to 00, that should be concidered both trainset and RV-set ? 20:16:27 <frosch123> yes, but it would be cheating 20:16:46 <DJNekkid> but it would still be concidered local, right? 20:17:11 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:14 <frosch123> in the current implementation yes. i have no intention to change that, but cheats are more likely to break 20:17:48 <frosch123> and of course, when another grf increases rv cost globally, it will affect your grf 20:18:15 <DJNekkid> but another trainset wont? 20:19:17 <frosch123> a trainset can globally change rv costs if it wants to change them for difficulty reasons 20:19:31 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:19:31 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1452 20:19:31 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 20:19:33 <frosch123> just like all those monolithical sets out there change track building costs 20:19:50 <planetmaker> like the 2ccTrainset does :-P 20:20:02 <DJNekkid> but then, how do i define that a "trainset" is just a trainset, and not a, lets say, shipset ? 20:20:19 <frosch123> by defining a train :p 20:20:20 <DJNekkid> and, what if i want to make a, lets say, french vehicle set, with both train, air and RV's ? 20:20:38 <frosch123> should also work 20:20:41 <DJNekkid> oki ... 20:20:56 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:22:01 *** xi23 [~xi@ip-85-160-12-109.eurotel.cz] has joined #openttd 20:22:13 <DJNekkid> then, if i make a trainset, and want a 4th running cost, i can use, lets say RV runningcost, and make a action 0-1-2-3 chain, but it cant be baught, because the climate availability is set to 0 ? 20:22:40 <DJNekkid> then it _should_ be local in my grf, right? 20:23:37 <frosch123> if you set a rv multiplier in your grf, it will be local. other sets can still change the multipliers, but they will be added to the local multipliers (not overwritten) 20:24:14 <DJNekkid> i.e. a RV-set wont be affected by my trainset? 20:25:26 <frosch123> the "intention" is: a rv set defines rvs, and defines a multiplier of x8 for the running costs to balance the set. then there is a second set which does not define any rv, but generally wants to increase rv costs x4 to make the game more difficult. that will cause the rv of the rv set to get x32 costs. 20:25:52 <DJNekkid> i see 20:26:03 *** Guest1452 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:04 <DJNekkid> but then again, what im saying will actually work? 20:26:22 <frosch123> as i said, currently yes. 20:26:26 <DJNekkid> oki :) 20:26:30 <DJNekkid> all i wanted to know :) 20:26:32 <DJNekkid> and, thanx! 20:26:35 <frosch123> :) 20:26:39 <planetmaker> On the cost that a difficulty grf, trying to affect the running cost of RV will affect you there then, too 20:27:05 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: Maybe we should even re-consider tuning the track building costs. 20:27:17 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:27:19 <DJNekkid> this is an VERY VERY VERY appreciated thing by the community frosch123... GREAT work! 20:27:24 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: parameter to disable it :) 20:27:39 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: other way around? 20:27:46 <DJNekkid> parameter to enable? 20:27:48 <planetmaker> yes 20:27:51 <DJNekkid> hmm ... 20:27:53 <DJNekkid> no :) 20:28:04 <DJNekkid> the reason is valid imho ... 20:28:11 <planetmaker> But... but... I want to be as standard as possible 20:28:18 <DJNekkid> DMU's are more expensive to operate, cost less ... 20:28:31 <frosch123> planetmaker: there is only one global multiplier, so if you load a difficulty grf last it will win over the rest 20:28:34 <DJNekkid> but EMU's require alot more hard cash to operate 20:28:57 <DJNekkid> as the infrastruckture is more expensive 20:29:14 <planetmaker> yes. But e-rail is usually already more expensive, right? 20:29:23 <DJNekkid> 5% or something 20:29:32 <DJNekkid> not any noticable difference anyway 20:30:15 <DJNekkid> abit more then 5%, but still 20:30:19 <DJNekkid> 90 vs 127£ 20:30:28 <planetmaker> well. At least an option to disable any messing with non-global base costs 20:30:29 <DJNekkid> on whatever difficulty i were at 20:30:37 <planetmaker> which is about 40% 20:30:40 <DJNekkid> yup, it always have been there... 20:30:59 <DJNekkid> still not particulary noticable 20:31:36 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... lovely snow... 20:31:37 <Luukland> e-real is a bad choice :P 20:31:47 <Luukland> just like cargodestination 20:31:51 <DJNekkid> with the current 10x price of elrails it actually matters, alot 20:32:05 <DJNekkid> there is a reason to use the DMU's 20:32:09 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: also 2cc is no big challenge, if played my way 20:32:53 <planetmaker> There's no way to make money _the_ challenge of OpenTTD. At least in a fail-save way 20:33:21 <Luukland> I got a silver coil challenge yet implented :P 20:34:01 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 20:34:05 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: i also think that actually is a balance... 20:34:14 <planetmaker> Luukland: two mates and myself joined the last goal server which was around. We won easily ;-) 20:34:35 <DJNekkid> hard enough, and ultimate challange 20:34:38 <Luukland> I am not talking about the goal server :P 20:34:42 <planetmaker> (doesn't mean it's a bad thing to have it) 20:34:53 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:34:58 <DJNekkid> in 1.0.x there were a parameter to increase the cost a twofold 20:35:51 <Luukland> I am talking about the introduction of a new dimension to OTTD 20:35:56 <planetmaker> In 2.0 there currently still is, DJNekkid 20:35:59 <Luukland> which is the OTTD Campaign :) 20:36:06 <planetmaker> They're still all there, that parameter #1 to modify costs 20:36:13 <DJNekkid> yea :) 20:36:17 <DJNekkid> i guess so 20:36:22 <DJNekkid> not done much with that yet 20:36:28 <planetmaker> I know :-P I just edited that file today ;-) 20:36:48 <DJNekkid> GJ :) 20:36:50 <planetmaker> (but not those lines) 20:37:43 <DJNekkid> hehe 20:37:55 <DJNekkid> <3 Heineken 20:38:12 *** Gremnon [~Gremnon@87.112.14.85.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:39:51 <planetmaker> uh... not today. Had too much of other (better!) stuff yesterday :-P 20:40:33 *** Gremnon [~Gremnon@87.112.14.85.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [] 20:41:03 <DJNekkid> hehe 20:41:10 <DJNekkid> i had a good few myself yesterday 20:41:12 <DJNekkid> had a gig :) 20:41:49 <planetmaker> :-) 20:42:01 <DJNekkid> even got one today... my 3rd this week 20:42:35 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-68-52-15-148.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:42:44 <planetmaker> uh... 20:43:00 <planetmaker> btw, maybe let's add the param discussion to one of our 2cc tickets. 20:43:22 <DJNekkid> yea, good idea 20:43:31 <planetmaker> then it a) doesn't get forgotten and b) it's easier to keep track of what was thought and argued 20:43:53 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 20:45:06 <DJNekkid> hence the "Wanna make a draft of the parameters?" earlier :P 20:45:29 *** Luukland [~Hassan@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:46:31 <planetmaker> hehe :-P 20:51:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-244-71.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:59:06 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:55 *** batti5 [~batti5@93.122.135.4] has joined #openttd 21:01:32 <batti5> Hi everyone, batti5s back. 21:03:19 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008103100]] 21:03:39 *** batti5 [~batti5@93.122.135.4] has left #openttd [] 21:04:20 <planetmaker> wth was that? 21:04:22 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18468 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Codechange: make sure one never makes self-loops using Vehicle::SetNext 21:09:47 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't know batti5? 21:10:21 <planetmaker> I hoped I'd have forgotten 21:10:37 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 21:10:47 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has left #openttd [] 21:11:35 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 21:11:54 <Eddi|zuHause> needed to clear the history of his name? :p 21:12:11 <planetmaker> :-P 21:12:34 <planetmaker> rather would have needed to make sure to press cmd+W in the correct window. Alas 21:13:44 * Rubidium slaps Eddi|zuHause for mentioning that name... 21:14:00 <Eddi|zuHause> batti5, the only person i ever saw to gloriously fail a turing test :p 21:16:04 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 21:19:48 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aor186.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:20:56 *** lewymati is now known as lewymati|eatz 21:30:51 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 21:32:05 *** lewymati|eatz is now known as lewymati 21:34:07 <DJNekkid> abit much work to open a new command-window, just to press W ... and what does that do? 21:34:15 <DJNekkid> CTRL-W would be much better :P 21:34:17 <DJNekkid> :D:D 21:36:15 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: my CMD is your CTRL in this context ;-) 21:36:35 <DJNekkid> i know, im just a bitch :) 21:38:34 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-68-52-15-148.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:38:37 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-68-52-15-148.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:39:07 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-244-71.broadband.corbina.ru] has left #openttd [] 21:39:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-244-71.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:42:02 <planetmaker> http://syncdir.sourceforge.net/ <-- what about? 21:51:43 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-68-52-15-148.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:25 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18469 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Fix (r17139): possible invalid reads when listing content on the console 21:59:18 *** egladil_ibook [~egladil@c83-254-70-169.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 22:03:13 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 22:05:53 *** Fast2_ [~Fast2@p57AFB958.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:06:12 *** egladil [~egladil@c83-254-70-169.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:27 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB958.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:28 *** Fast2_ is now known as Fast2 22:10:45 *** Benny [~Benny@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 22:11:55 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18470 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Codechange/Fix [part of FS#3146]: moving vehicles around in the depot could create states that are not allowed by the NewGRF attach callback. 22:15:27 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18471 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_order.cpp ai_vehicle.cpp): -Codechange/Fix: [NoAI] Deduplicate code betweeen AIVehicle::SkipToVehicleOrder and AIOrder::SkipToOrder. They are the same. Also ORDER_CURRENT was not allowed for the latter, but well... 22:17:21 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aor186.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 22:18:48 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 22:18:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 22:19:01 <Darkvater> hi guys 22:19:13 <Rubidium> evening 22:19:26 <Darkvater> how's everyone doing? 22:20:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm way too lazy for my own good 22:21:06 <Rubidium> working on some complex NewGRF 'caused' bugs 22:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause> and my tuba got stolen while it was in my friends car 22:21:58 <Darkvater> congrats all to open[sg]fx release :D 22:22:04 <Darkvater> it's been a looooooong time 22:22:09 <Darkvater> Rubidium: we just love those :) 22:22:39 <Darkvater> hmm, I should start playing ottd again 22:22:42 <Darkvater> I do miss it 22:23:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a rabbit hole that you won't ever get out of again 22:23:32 <Darkvater> I don't think I'm even out yet 22:24:14 <Darkvater> I see Rubidium is doing an awesome lot of work. Where do you get all the time from? 22:24:26 <Darkvater> I bet he has some time-machine that he's hogging all for himself 22:25:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i wondered that exact same thing myself 22:26:46 <Darkvater> lemme get a recent nightly 22:27:18 <Darkvater> I have till Monday to sober up :p 22:27:25 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-68-52-15-148.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:27:38 *** mode/#openttd [-o Darkvater] by Darkvater 22:27:42 <Darkvater> ls 22:27:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd like cargodist, but i think it's unlikely to get trunk-ready before the next release 22:27:53 * Darkvater doesn't deserve an op status atm 22:28:40 <Eddi|zuHause> but last time i made a preditcion of trunk-readiness of a feature it got slapped in my face like two hours later :p 22:28:53 <Darkvater> hehe 22:29:03 <Darkvater> mmh, I'd like 22:29:08 <Darkvater> what actually? 22:29:28 <Darkvater> more eyecandy, natural reserves, cliffs 22:29:34 <Darkvater> all kinda crap :P 22:30:14 <Darkvater> anybody thought about updating the title screen for the next release? This one was made by Dominik..back in 2005-ish 22:30:33 <Rubidium> yes, never really happened though 22:30:35 <Darkvater> lol, I can move around the title screen 22:30:39 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 22:30:41 <Eddi|zuHause> there were a few title screen contests 22:30:41 <Rubidium> it's perfect for trunk though 22:31:08 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, test for loading old savegames :p 22:31:33 <Darkvater> I'll promise you guys, if I have time I'll make a new one that is so awesome it'll blow minds, tropical 22:32:36 <Darkvater> that music is just so in my blood 22:33:24 <Eddi|zuHause> one of the problems for a new title game is that it should look good on 640x480 as well as on 4000x3000-ish 22:34:58 <Eddi|zuHause> other problem is that it cannot show off any of the cool newgrf features like trams etc. 22:35:09 <Darkvater> are you telling me Eddi|zuHause ? 22:35:15 <Darkvater> that's sweet :-) 22:35:40 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i'm just brabbling along aimlessly ;) 22:35:56 <Darkvater> :) 22:36:09 <Darkvater> bbs, needa reboot 22:36:10 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:36:48 <Eddi|zuHause> blasphemy!! 22:38:21 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:41:05 <planetmaker> [23:30] <Darkvater> anybody thought about updating the title screen for the next release? This one was made by Dominik..back in 2005-ish <-- I can offer http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/502/titlegame6.sav 22:41:45 <planetmaker> ah... not here :-P 22:42:12 <Zuu> Indeed, was just typing a message to inform you about that, but you was quicker than my typing. :-) 22:44:29 <planetmaker> :-) 22:45:28 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:45:35 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 22:45:53 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:46:00 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-7bf8e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #openttd [Leaving] 22:46:07 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-7bf8e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 22:47:04 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 22:47:49 <Zuu> planetmaker: That title game is nice, execept maybe for the station-walk or whatever you call it nowdays. 22:48:14 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:48:44 <planetmaker> hm... did I use station walk there? 22:48:59 <Zuu> Yep, in the lower right. 22:49:05 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 22:49:37 <Zuu> For Kornheim Airport. It has a one-tile station part next to the factory. 22:49:43 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:47 <planetmaker> ah 22:50:15 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:28 <planetmaker> I guess one of the problems is to get a) every possible feature shown and b) every company profitable ;-) and c) make it look nice 22:51:12 <Zuu> Yea, and avoiding to have bad tricks shown to the users. 22:51:45 <planetmaker> but you're right. That piece of station looks out-of-place 22:52:24 <Zuu> Would it be possible to remove the depot and move the factory to the other side? 22:53:25 <planetmaker> it's possible to replace the station piece by a drive-through road stop 22:54:29 <planetmaker> moving the factory... might or might not work :-) 22:55:02 <Zuu> Why not? 22:55:44 <Zuu> (I'm trying it out right now by the way, but with the last nightly, so I would have to re-do it with something older if you want to have the change) 22:56:51 <Zuu> Though, a bit of fiddling will be needed to get it look nice. 22:56:51 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 22:57:05 <planetmaker> I try myself with a somewhat recent nightly. 22:57:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "vegetarian trolls turn people into plants and then eat them" 22:57:15 <planetmaker> that game is anyway r16xxx + 22:57:25 <Eddi|zuHause> what did these people smoke when filming that? :p 22:57:50 <Zuu> You probably don't even need to remove the train depot. 22:59:05 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 22:59:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 22:59:28 <planetmaker> well... w/o deleting the tracks I don't manage 23:00:00 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18472 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3146]: selling vehicles in the depot could create states that are not allowed by the NewGRF attach callback. 23:00:17 <frosch123> [23:41] <planetmaker> [23:30]<Darkvater>anybody thought about updating the title screen for the next release? This one was made by Dominik..back in 2005-ish <-- I can offer http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/502/titlegame6.sav 23:00:25 * frosch123 just wanted to be faster 23:00:28 <planetmaker> ty, frosch123 23:00:32 <Darkvater> :) 23:01:40 <planetmaker> planets are slow in making while frogs jump fast :-P 23:02:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i did want to tell about that earlier, but i was too lazy to search for the link... 23:02:53 <planetmaker> Zuu: I guss adding a road stop is indeed the much easier solution. And IMO it's not like it looks bad 23:03:44 <Zuu> That is probably a good solution. 23:04:00 <Zuu> Here is my first attempt: http://www.student.itn.liu.se/~leili108/OpenTTD/screenshot.png 23:04:01 <frosch123> i always wondered about the isolated canal parts in that game 23:04:09 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:04:50 <planetmaker> isolate canal? Where? 23:04:57 <frosch123> and we need some way to make rivers static :s 23:05:03 <planetmaker> (long time since I created this map) 23:05:14 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:05:29 <frosch123> planetmaker: just around Kornheim 23:05:29 <Zuu> Maybe next to the locks? 23:05:33 <planetmaker> looks good, Zuu 23:05:55 <frosch123> (Kornheim the train station) 23:05:59 <planetmaker> ah... those in Kornheim 23:06:01 <Zuu> planetmaker: Ok, but I think it was nice as you made it with the both industries next to eachother. 23:06:22 <planetmaker> I tried to make a venice-like city. Of sorts 23:06:44 <planetmaker> or they're the local re-creational area with a lake where people do duck-feeding and alike 23:07:07 <frosch123> well, but the station in the middle of water looks weird 23:07:25 <frosch123> maybe only the two tile southwest of the station look weird 23:07:30 <frosch123> and the stuff northeast is ok 23:09:03 *** Leif_ [~Zuu@c-7bf8e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 23:09:40 *** Zuu is now known as Guest1471 23:09:40 *** Leif_ is now known as Zuu 23:09:56 <planetmaker> hm, yes. Thanks. Changed :-) 23:10:10 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-68-52-15-148.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:22 <planetmaker> and it's a nicely cheated game :-P 23:12:30 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:38 <Zuu> hehe, yea :-) 23:14:42 <Zuu> Under the aqueduct, at the top/left end, there is a four-way street junction which is only attached at one edge of the junction. Is that intended? 23:14:42 <frosch123> the gamelog blames you started it in scenedit :p (though the rivers also do) 23:14:45 *** Guest1471 [~Zuu@c-7bf8e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:13 <planetmaker> Zuu: no, the town built it, I think 23:15:45 <planetmaker> frosch123: yes, sure. I needed it for the rivers and some landscaping in order to have the map fit my ideas 23:15:55 <Zuu> Ok, I think some of the roads that go off here and there are okay, they give a bit of life to the road network, but that one looks abit weird. 23:16:41 <Zuu> And you got a nice pling-plong-pling thing in there too :-D 23:16:49 <planetmaker> I'd call starting in the SE though, just individualized map generation 23:17:02 <planetmaker> what's a pling-plong-pling?!? 23:17:20 <Zuu> A road-rail intersection. 23:17:25 <planetmaker> oh 23:17:38 <Zuu> Not sure how to spell the sound in English. 23:18:05 <planetmaker> level crossing 23:18:21 <planetmaker> but yes: it's a feature and needs to be present :-) 23:18:32 <planetmaker> It just needs not ringing every second 10 times 23:18:37 <Zuu> well, that is the word for the thing, but not how you would spell out the sound right? :-) 23:18:52 <planetmaker> I wouldn't even know that in my mother tongue 23:19:28 <Zuu> Maybe you don't spell out weird sounds that much :-) 23:20:02 <planetmaker> I usually don't write them :-P 23:22:41 *** Benny [~Benny@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:23:04 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:05 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.162.203] has joined #openttd 23:24:17 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 23:24:23 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18473 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r18470): crash when moving a multiheaded part to be just after itself 23:26:22 *** xi23 [~xi@ip-85-160-12-109.eurotel.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:24 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 23:28:21 <Eddi|zuHause> something's weird with the ICE-TD... you can't move a second ICE-TD behind an existing one, but when you first move a long distance carriage to the second ICE-TD you then can attach that one to the first. anybody ever noticed that? 23:28:48 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if that happens with the ICE 1 also 23:29:28 <Eddi|zuHause> my version is a few months old, though, didn't test with a current nightly 23:30:30 <planetmaker> we only use ICE as intended by the newgrf author :-P 23:30:40 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: the wagon movement has just been rewritten... 23:31:56 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i'm fairly sure that "multiheading" ICE-TD is "realistic" ;) 23:31:58 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:31:58 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1475 23:31:59 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 23:32:14 <frosch123> but only in a certain year with a certain unitnumber 23:32:43 <frosch123> and it is only activated when you use the correct company colours 23:33:11 <Eddi|zuHause> dbset doesn't actually use company colours ;) 23:35:31 <Eddi|zuHause> did anyone hear that they want to electrify the line [Dresden-Zwickau-]Reichenbach-Plauen-Hof-N?rnberg? [the route that was used by the ICE-TD] 23:37:05 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e33:5916:1:eca7:8816:2685:68eb] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:02 *** Guest1475 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:39 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 23:42:04 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:37 <thingwath> do they? 23:46:41 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@35.104.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 23:49:42 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18474 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r18470): in some odd corner cases the group (vehicle) counts could be off 23:52:57 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.162.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:31 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56:28 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1479 23:56:28 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:56:29 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently they want to start the first section in Reichenbach in 2010, reach Plauen by 2012 and Hof by 2013 23:56:53 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18475 /branches/0.7/src/genworld.cpp: [0.7] -Fix (r18300)[FS#3344]: Initialisation of cargo payment works different in 0.7 than trunk r18207. 23:58:28 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.spitzenstadt.de/plauen/index.php?menuid=18&reporeid=2229 23:59:25 <Eddi|zuHause> but no word on when they want to finish Hof-Bayreuth-N?rnberg