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00:01:20 <SpComb> well, the ECS shutdowns happen for me in 1926-01-01 even if I play with normal daylength 00:03:18 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-76-175.bmly.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 00:05:27 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: george has some weird scheme of calculating production 00:05:46 <Eddi|zuHause> which apparently depends on the exact number of ticks during one month 00:06:25 <SpComb> but that doesn't cause the industry shutdowns, rather, some separate issue? 00:06:43 <Eddi|zuHause> no, the industry shutdowns are a "feature" ;) 00:06:55 *** LHt3 [LadyHawk@office01.ldhosting.com] has joined #openttd 00:09:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18672 /trunk/src/crashlog.cpp: -Codechange: mention the game date in the crash log 00:10:47 <SpComb> sounds to me suspiciously like he wants to keep the production/month constant 00:10:55 <SpComb> but "As I wrote, such better calculation is a wish, not a must. It would not change the behaviour dramatically" 00:11:25 <SpComb> so I'm not sure what the whole hooplah about a newgrf var is, really 00:12:38 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:12:41 *** LHt3 is now known as LadyHawk 00:13:20 *** LadyHawk is now known as Guest1178 00:19:51 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 00:20:03 *** Noldo_ [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 00:20:24 *** SpComb^_ [terom@zerg.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 00:20:26 *** kjetil [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 00:20:29 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 00:20:30 *** mirQus_ [mirq@rere.qmqm.pl] has joined #openttd 00:20:38 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: SpComb^, Forked, SpBot_, darkmonkey, APTX, Grelouk, Fast2, mirQus, Progman, Born_Acorn, (+10 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 00:20:38 *** kjetil is now known as Forked 00:20:38 *** Ammller is 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[~cg4ipv6@2001:470:c06d:1000:f0f3:a8a:b107:d2ff] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:48:25 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:48:51 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 01:53:58 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9FFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:03:10 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i can't figure out anymore where transfer credit is added to the vehicle, to replace that with real money instead 02:08:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know if it is because it's so oo-ified now, or because it's so late 02:08:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i figure it's in "CargoPayment::PayTransfer" but i can't point my finger on it... 02:21:44 *** Choco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9E65.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:23:57 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9E6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:23:58 *** Choco-Banana-Man is now known as Coco-Banana-Man 02:24:18 *** 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Man wusste nie so genau, wie man sie wirksam einsetzen konnte, ohne dass sie gleich b] 03:05:33 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:06:09 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-170-57-13.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:09:03 <gathers> When adding new values to table/settings.h, how do I know what value to use before SL_MAX_VERSION? 03:13:47 <Eddi|zuHause> you need to increase SAVEGAME_VERSION and use that value 03:15:41 <gathers> it's an extern, where is it defined? 03:16:22 <Eddi|zuHause> saveload.cpp or something 03:17:46 <gathers> thanks, chasing it down now :) 03:20:15 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-26-76-175.bmly.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 03:27:36 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:33:54 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@191.80-202-24.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:35:12 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:40:16 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 03:41:06 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:42:17 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:42:23 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:44:16 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:44:24 <sparr> can anyone recommend a [semi]public server where there is less risk of players joining just to ruin the game? 03:44:32 <PeterT> #jonty 03:44:38 <PeterT> like I (we) said before 03:44:53 <PeterT> or this, if he can get it running: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=46545 03:45:18 <sparr> tried there, not a good fit. will check the forum, thanks 03:45:41 <PeterT> you joined the server, how? 03:48:22 <sparr> i mean #jonty 03:48:52 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [] 03:49:06 <PeterT> why not, sparr/ 03:50:32 <sparr> people keep telling me i am playing wrong. "don't put an airport there", "don't build tracks there", "don't terraform there" 04:07:57 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b527:971e:30c5:9d6a] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:12:04 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B094.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:17:45 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CFD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:19:44 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CFD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:31:25 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c950.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 04:35:59 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 04:38:34 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d40c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:54:00 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: night all] 05:00:54 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:01:06 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 05:12:06 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c950.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:31:30 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm25.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:36:37 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 05:42:48 *** jh [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:42:59 *** jh [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 05:43:05 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:02:27 <roboboy> If ive downloaded source using mercurial can I still apply a patch downloaded off the forums using TortoiseMerge? 06:30:38 *** DaZ [~eh@dsr173.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 06:36:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.198.185] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:52:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.198.185] has joined #openttd 07:11:32 <Rubidium> if it's the one for hg then it probably can 07:15:09 * Eoin smells a OpenTTD Dev 07:20:48 <roboboy> ok 07:27:21 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:36:58 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@232.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 07:37:04 <Terkhen> good morning 07:39:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18673 /trunk/src/screenshot.cpp: -Fix (r17943): Deja vu: 3 byte structs are padded to a word on ARM. 08:01:16 *** Noldo_ is now known as Noldo 08:09:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.11.1.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 08:15:34 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 08:16:49 <George> Hi 08:17:07 <George> I would like to ask about CB 29 and CB 35 08:17:29 <George> What do var 18 stores during CB 29/35? 08:18:17 <George> and what do var 10 do? 08:19:53 <George> Wiki says Variable 18 contains 32 random bits to help randomizing the decision 08:20:09 <George> But my tests makes me to be confused 08:20:27 <George> // set IR1[1]b3-7 to 25 with 1% probability 08:20:27 <George> 9711 * 38 02 0A 60 89 08:20:27 <George> 1A 20 00 C8 00 00 + 08:20:27 <George> 7C 01 20 FF 07 FF FF 10 08:20:27 <George> 1A 00 01 00 00 00 08:20:28 <George> 01 6F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 6F 00 08:20:28 <George> 9712 * 17 02 0A 50 85 18 18 FF FF 01 60 00 00 00 8F 02 71 00 08:20:30 <George> 9713 * 17 02 0A 51 85 18 18 FF FF 01 60 00 00 00 47 01 71 00 08:20:30 <George> 9714 * 17 02 0A 52 85 18 18 FF FF 01 60 00 00 00 A3 00 71 00 08:20:33 <George> 9715 * 17 02 0A 53 85 18 18 FF FF 01 60 00 00 00 51 00 71 00 08:20:33 <George> 9716 * 17 02 0A 54 85 18 18 FF FF 01 60 00 00 00 28 00 71 00 08:20:34 <George> 9717 * 17 02 0A 55 85 18 18 FF FF 01 60 00 00 00 14 00 71 00 08:20:34 <George> 9718 * 17 02 0A 56 85 18 18 FF FF 01 60 00 00 00 0A 00 71 00 08:20:37 <George> 08:20:37 <George> 9719 * 35 02 0A 61 81 7F 0A 00 FF 06 08:20:39 <George> 51 00 05 05 08:20:39 <George> 52 00 06 06 08:20:40 <George> 53 00 07 07 08:20:40 <George> 54 00 08 08 08:20:42 <George> 55 00 09 09 08:20:42 <George> 56 00 0A 0A 08:20:44 <George> 50 00 08:20:46 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]] 08:20:51 <George> where param 0A stores the map size 08:21:03 <George> // Write map sise to param 0A 08:21:03 <George> //@@warning disable 123 08:21:03 <George> 24 * 9 0D 0A \D= 13 FE FF FF 00 00 08:21:03 <George> //@@warning enable 123 08:21:47 <George> but abot 50% of industries have this 1% on the first available day 08:21:55 <George> Why does it happen? 08:22:46 <George> IMHO, 1% probility would in average mean that 1% of industries would generate this event 08:22:57 * Eoin wants to learn NFO coding 08:23:07 <Eoin> all i know is VB, and that sucks :D 08:23:07 <George> What am I doing wrong? 08:23:37 <George> Belugas, Rubidium: Are you here? 08:26:29 <peter1138> do you not document your nfo? :p 08:26:56 <George> what do you mean 08:26:58 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.11.1.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:27:11 <Eoin> peter1138! teach me nfo you! 08:27:17 <George> BTW, looks like I understood where the problem is 08:27:47 <George> I shift 3 bytes of DWORD, and looks like the upper byte is 0 08:28:14 <George> peter1138: Doesn't comments are documentation? 08:29:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.11.1.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 08:32:33 <peter1138> your shift is 18 08:33:10 <peter1138> the top byte of the original dword shouldn't be 0 08:33:16 <peter1138> but... why are you shifting? 08:35:31 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:36:04 <Eoin> ..i dont get NFO 08:36:07 <Eoin> its all Numbers 08:36:14 <Eoin> and you understand them mad people 08:37:04 <peter1138> only by reading the spec 08:38:18 <Eoin> still dont 08:38:21 <George> peter1138: it was my fault. I supposed to read the highest bytes, but by error counted it as 18, not 10. Now I fixed it 08:39:02 <George> Noy the top byte of the dword, but the top byte of the dword with shift=18 08:39:11 <George> it's 5-th byte is 0 08:41:02 <George> My first idea was it chould keep garbage 08:42:31 <roboboy> where can I find information about the openTTD networking protocol? 08:42:36 <roboboy> the wiki? 08:43:59 <Alberth> the source code? 08:44:27 <roboboy> ok 09:10:25 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:30:32 <Rubidium> depends on what information about the protocol you want 09:31:10 <Rubidium> there's some on the wiki, but as usual it's outdated. I've removed it once because it was outdated and then another 'moron' added it and it again became outdated 09:33:27 <roboboy> mainly info about how to get the basic info thats provided in the multiplayer lobby like how many years the games gone on for and the number of companies 09:34:00 <Rubidium> that's an udp packet, see core/udp.h or so 09:34:25 <roboboy> ok thanx 09:34:29 <Rubidium> src/network/core/udp.h, not src/core... 09:41:56 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:45:50 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:49:46 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 09:55:26 *** Polygon [~Poly@pd95c0122.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:58:52 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9662.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:01:55 *** MyCatSchemes [~mycatverb@5ac7ac11.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:07:14 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 10:10:39 <andythenorth> uhm 10:11:02 <andythenorth> I need to use tile prop 60 to find out if a tile has water on it 10:11:03 <andythenorth> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VarAction2IndustryTiles 10:11:17 <andythenorth> I'm not sure (a) if it's possible (b) how to do it if it possible 10:11:51 <andythenorth> I think it's possible. 10:13:42 <peter1138> fully water? 10:14:07 <_ln> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8435857.stm 10:14:23 <andythenorth> peter1138: yes 10:14:46 <andythenorth> I'm tackling the *interesting* problem of building an industry on the coastline... 10:15:08 <peter1138> so bits 0-4 == 0 and bit 9 == 0 10:16:19 <peter1138> so check var 60 using a word varaction with a mask of 0x021F 10:16:43 <peter1138> if value is 0x0200 then it is flat water 10:16:54 <andythenorth> word varaction or dword 10:17:13 <andythenorth> wiki implies dword... 10:17:15 <peter1138> word 10:17:19 <andythenorth> interesting 10:17:34 <peter1138> you could use dword but you don't care about the upper 16 bits anyway 10:17:44 <andythenorth> ah ok 10:17:55 <peter1138> unless you want to restrict to sea tiles... hemmm 10:18:17 <peter1138> in which case mask 0x00FF021F and hope for 0x00000200 10:19:23 <peter1138> the power of nfo, you are checking 3 separate variables in one 'statement' ;) 10:19:42 <andythenorth> peter1138: this is where you observe what an nfo dumbass I am :| 10:19:43 <andythenorth> frosch normally gets that pleasure 10:20:15 <peter1138> hehe 10:20:26 <peter1138> i'm only good at this bit 10:20:35 <peter1138> i can't actually make a complete working set ;p 10:21:24 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/220810 10:21:26 <andythenorth> hmm 10:21:44 <andythenorth> oops 10:21:50 <andythenorth> seen one mistake already 10:22:34 <andythenorth> (fixed ...use 89 for dword instead of 85 ) 10:23:07 <andythenorth> code doesn't work though :| 10:23:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EFC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:24:02 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:26:32 <peter1138> hehe 10:27:13 <peter1138> you've got the mask and value the wrong way 10:27:20 <peter1138> eh, maybe the value's okay 10:27:30 <peter1138> mask should be "1F 02 FF 00" 10:27:35 <peter1138> at least... i think 10:27:45 <andythenorth> I've also got a linter failure :o 10:30:41 <andythenorth> omg. it works 10:30:44 <andythenorth> peter1138: thanks muchly 10:31:16 <andythenorth> that was less painful than I expected. Industry transcending coast: done 10:31:27 <andythenorth> although I haven't found all the weird edge cases yet :o 10:31:47 *** DaZ_ [~eh@dsh141.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:34:25 <peter1138> it actually works? nice :D 10:35:06 <andythenorth> seems perfect so far.... 10:36:08 *** DaZ [~eh@dsr173.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:38:16 <andythenorth> what a lot of fishing harbours I just built :) 10:38:16 *** Sam1 [~sam@84-73-178-158.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 10:38:29 <Eoin> anyone know the size of international airport? 10:39:00 <andythenorth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Airports 10:39:20 <Eoin> ah, there is indeed the wiki 10:40:44 *** Polygon [~Poly@pd95c0122.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18674 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Feature (FS#3459): Configurable slope steepness for trains from 0% to 10%, default is 3% as before (mostly by Terkhen) 10:41:51 <andythenorth> ^^ nice 10:42:12 <andythenorth> all trains? or depending on cargo? 10:42:17 <peter1138> all trains 10:42:19 <Terkhen> I did not know about {STRING1}% 10:42:24 <Terkhen> :) 10:42:32 <andythenorth> how does it interact with freight weight multiplier? 10:42:38 <peter1138> still affected 10:42:45 <Alberth> Terkhen: you learn something every day :) 10:42:51 <peter1138> Terkhen, it's a literal % :) 10:43:21 <peter1138> Terkhen, so it just prints it as a number that happens to have a % symbol on the end 10:43:57 <peter1138> andythenorth, i guess most people who care already have a freight weight multiplier set. they can adjust that down a bit if they want. 10:44:09 <Terkhen> I see 10:44:55 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-55-244.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:45:14 <peter1138> set to 5% and hills should be a bit more ttdpatch-like.. if you like that kind of thing 10:46:48 <andythenorth> well it's always nice to have something new to try... 10:49:05 <andythenorth> hmmm I've never sliced or coded industry tiles before 10:49:27 <andythenorth> might as well learn with a difficult one 10:49:30 <andythenorth> :P 10:49:33 <peter1138> heh 10:49:38 <peter1138> i did make a station grf 10:49:41 <peter1138> very simple 10:49:50 <peter1138> single-tile only waypoints 10:49:53 <peter1138> and Born_Acorn did the graphics 10:50:01 <peter1138> oh, and the buffers 10:50:12 <peter1138> okay, so i have made working newgrfs... never mind 10:50:22 <andythenorth> :) 10:50:23 <Eoin> lolk 10:51:12 <andythenorth> hmm can't escape negatives 10:51:22 <andythenorth> I suppose I should read the docs before coding this... 10:51:39 <andythenorth> chrome is not all that it could be 10:54:47 <andythenorth> anyone know if I *can* escape negative values in nfo? 10:55:06 <andythenorth> tile offsets support signed bytes, but the patch wiki has nothing on escaping -ve 10:59:36 <planetmaker> moin 10:59:56 <planetmaker> I didn't find any signed escapes either ... and have been missing them, too 10:59:56 <andythenorth> morning 11:00:33 <andythenorth> oh well working out signed bytes is always fun 11:00:39 <andythenorth> makes me feel 1% smarter anyway 11:00:47 <planetmaker> value +0x80 11:01:05 <planetmaker> or 128d 11:01:32 <planetmaker> maybe I should write a pre-processor macro for that ;-) 11:06:47 <andythenorth> oh balls, the z layering is wrong on my industry tiles 11:06:50 <andythenorth> unexpected 11:07:22 *** Polygon [~Poly@pd95c0122.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:09:24 <Alberth> planetmaker: I always do (~n + 1) 11:10:03 <planetmaker> Alberth: yes, but that doesn't work in NFO :-) 11:10:57 <planetmaker> and the pre-processor won't change that to a plain hex number 11:11:30 <Alberth> I knew it would be too easy :) 11:12:13 <planetmaker> all one can use is what nforenum supplies and with my usual makefiles for newgrfs what can be done with the gcc pre-processor 11:13:08 <Alberth> I'd use m4, but don't know whether it can output hex numbers 11:13:33 <peter1138> 256 - n 11:13:59 <planetmaker> you can use decimal numbers, too. \b255 11:14:08 <peter1138> or +n i suppose, n being negative... heh 11:17:33 <andythenorth> is there a list of default ttd sprites (with sprite numbers) anywhere 11:17:38 <andythenorth> opengfx? 11:18:16 <andythenorth> playing lucky dip with several thousand sprites is getting dull... 11:18:40 <peter1138> decode opengfx and pick the sprite you want? 11:19:35 <planetmaker> peter1138's option is the best overview available indeed. You only need to decode ogfx1_base.grf 11:19:42 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:20:04 <planetmaker> other climates replace the appropriate climate-specific sprites 11:20:21 <MyCatSchemes> Alberth, m4? Are you honestly crazy? 11:20:55 <planetmaker> MyCatSchemes: it's not crazy at all 11:21:07 <MyCatSchemes> I don't mean to be negative, but I've always associated m4 with sendmail.cf and autotools. 11:21:19 <planetmaker> He's not the first to propose that. Nor would he be the first to do it. And I have also already thought about it. 11:21:26 <planetmaker> The C pre-processor is kinda limited. 11:21:44 <Alberth> m4 is a nice macro processor, as long as you don't try to configure a mail system with it :) 11:21:46 <planetmaker> And you probably never wrote NFO 11:21:48 <MyCatSchemes> Given that history, well. Do we really want to make NFO any more Lovecraftian? 11:22:14 <planetmaker> Maybe I should download and install it. Just for the joy of it;-) 11:22:40 <planetmaker> but then... I already have a few scripts in awk ;-) 11:22:54 *** Polygon [~Poly@pd95c0122.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:23:07 <Alberth> never did awk, use Python for that 11:23:27 <MyCatSchemes> I'd have thought you'd probably already have m4 installed, just because of the likelihood that you'd have (at least once before) found yourself needing to re-generate a configure script. 11:24:04 <Alberth> that depends on your OS :) 11:24:29 <Alberth> apparently macs come without m4 11:24:39 <planetmaker> by default it seems 11:24:44 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 11:24:49 <planetmaker> But I never extensively looked for it either so far 11:26:15 <planetmaker> well... it exists :-) 11:26:27 <planetmaker> and is installed, so seems to be part of the dev tools 11:26:35 <Alberth> makes sense 11:27:14 <planetmaker> hm, is m4 part of the mingw install? 11:27:25 <MyCatSchemes> I thought it was. 11:27:32 <MyCatSchemes> I'm pretty certain that it's included in Xcode. 11:27:37 <Alberth> ls 11:27:49 <MyCatSchemes> Linux users who don't have it already are living in a state of sin. ;) 11:27:50 <planetmaker> one of the main reasons I didn't look at it so far is that I'd like my newgrfs buildable on any system with the least hassle 11:28:02 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:28:04 <planetmaker> mingw is already much for many windows users :-) 11:28:08 <planetmaker> as is mercurial 11:28:15 <MyCatSchemes> Boo, hiss. 11:28:30 <MyCatSchemes> If people can't be bothered to install Hg then that's their issue. 11:28:40 <MyCatSchemes> Not too big of an issue either - they can just download the tip. :P 11:28:41 <planetmaker> MyCatSchemes: no, it's not. 11:29:07 <planetmaker> The goal of the makefile system I provide for newgrfs is to make the barrier to actually make a newgrf as low as possible 11:29:24 <planetmaker> so considering the ease or not of the required installs is a very valid point IMO 11:29:30 <MyCatSchemes> planetmaker, I respect that that's a valid reason to shy away from m4. 11:29:48 <Rubidium> but... you need m4 for m4nfo 11:30:09 <planetmaker> :-) 11:30:10 <MyCatSchemes> Hg, less so. People who want to participate in development have a lot more work ahead of them than just installing a smallish VCS anyway. 11:30:41 <MyCatSchemes> People who simply want to make use of your code can just pull down the tip tarball that hgweb provides anyway. 11:31:16 <planetmaker> Rubidium: if he'd supply his macro collection those articles might actually be useful 11:31:33 <planetmaker> But then I doubt it will ever happne. 11:31:35 <planetmaker> *happen 11:32:18 <MyCatSchemes> http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=4327 ? 11:32:56 <planetmaker> yes 11:33:13 <MyCatSchemes> I love the combination of English title ("M4nfo - a macro library for generating nfo code for TTDPatch and OpenTTD newgrfs") and entirely Deutsch text. :) 11:33:36 <planetmaker> hehe 11:33:44 <MyCatSchemes> Y'know what'd just be wrong? Prolog NFO generation. 11:33:51 <planetmaker> loool 11:34:01 <planetmaker> that'd be madness pure 11:34:13 <MyCatSchemes> The programming language that nobody can understand being spat out by the programming language that nobody wants to understand. 11:34:16 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9E65.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:12 <planetmaker> NFO is understandable... after you were exposed to it for a few months ;-) 11:36:12 <planetmaker> it's just not really nicely readable 11:36:27 <planetmaker> the underlying concept is pretty simple actually 11:37:02 <planetmaker> anyway... got 2 go. Catch you later 11:37:07 <andythenorth> bye pm 11:41:20 <andythenorth> which way is north, in the game? Is the compass rotated 45' 11:41:20 <andythenorth> ? 11:43:14 <Rubidium> ^ 11:44:00 <Rubidium> trains going / go from south-west to north-east (or vice versa) 11:44:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77A84.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76CD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:47:16 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.96.67] has joined #openttd 11:58:36 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@29.98.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 12:09:01 <Eddi|zuHause> hey... what's the problem with prolog? 12:09:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i found it to be a very "logical" language ;) 12:09:37 <MyCatSchemes> Q: How many Prolog programmers does it take to change a light bulb? 12:09:46 <MyCatSchemes> A: No. 12:09:59 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 12:10:36 <MyCatSchemes> It's my favourite lightbulb joke yet. 12:11:08 <Eddi|zuHause> but really... i found it very simple to map a simple sequential program to prolog 12:12:38 <MyCatSchemes> Mmm. Last two times I tried writing anything in Prolog, I just gave up and pretended it was Lisp on the first try, and actually made decent use of backtracking and unification on the second. 12:14:14 <MyCatSchemes> By "pretending it's Lisp" I mean I wrote a functional program, translating it into Prolog by adding an extra parameter for the output value in order to turn my functions into predicates. 12:14:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i fail to produce anything _practical_ in any language... the languages itself are "fun" ;) 12:14:27 <MyCatSchemes> It's, um, a lot more fun when you don't do that. 12:15:05 <MyCatSchemes> I mean I do actually like programming in functional style, but abusing a perfectly good logical language like that was a little disappointing. 12:15:11 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: with 'english' you seem to do well :) 12:15:43 <MyCatSchemes> But hey, thank $deity for the call/* predicate! ^^ 12:15:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: that's for single sentences... as soon as it comes to longer self-written texts, it fails 12:16:24 <MyCatSchemes> Actually, that does raise a good question. What's the easiest somewhat-esoteric language to package for Windows users? :D 12:16:56 <Eddi|zuHause> one that ships with an interpreter implemented in bat/cmd ;) 12:21:06 <Alberth> I like Piet as visual programming language :p 12:21:27 <Alberth> http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet.html 12:21:27 <MyCatSchemes> Visual Piet for COMMAND.COM would be quite impressive. 12:21:46 <MyCatSchemes> I like the way Piet makes everything look like an Andy Warhol painting. 12:22:08 <MyCatSchemes> Oh no, I fail modern art forever. 12:22:12 <MyCatSchemes> Oh well. Still, it's pretty. :) 12:22:19 <peter1138> hmm, so is M4nfo any good? ;p 12:22:54 <peter1138> lots of documentation but i can't read any of it 12:24:38 *** Sam1 [~sam@84-73-178-158.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #openttd [] 12:25:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure what it does either... 12:28:18 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:39:42 <Coco-Banana-Man> [13:16:42] <MyCatSchemes> Actually, that does raise a good question. What's the easiest somewhat-esoteric language to package for Windows users? :D <--- hmm, esoteric..? Probably Vatical: http://www.nordem.com/nd/misc/vatical.htm :P (unfortunately I can find it in German only :( ) 12:43:11 <MyCatSchemes> Coco-Banana-Man, thank you and thank Google Translate. ^^ 12:43:54 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:44:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EFC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:47:04 <MyCatSchemes> Coco-Banana-Man, darn, I don't think that I can actually program in that. :) 12:47:17 <Coco-Banana-Man> ^^ 12:48:36 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B36A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:12 * roboboy wonders if opentd is still committed to supporting the DOS TTD base files 12:50:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B39CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:50:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:50:27 <Rubidium> roboboy: why? 12:51:03 <Rubidium> or do you mean the DOS TTD music files? 12:51:15 <roboboy> im just wondering as I used to have the DOS version but switched due to not being able to play on any server that uses GRF's 12:51:27 <roboboy> graphics and sound 12:51:32 <peter1138> should work fine these days 12:51:41 <peter1138> although DOS TTD misses some sprites IIRC 12:51:51 <roboboy> hm shall consider trying 12:52:03 <Rubidium> peter1138: yes, it misses the fish thingy sprites 12:52:08 <peter1138> oh 12:52:22 <peter1138> thought there was an industry related one as well 12:52:48 <peter1138> roboboy, basically you can use windows-ttd newgrfs and it'll do appropriate stuff to the palette 12:53:00 <peter1138> wasn't that in a few releases ago? 12:53:00 <roboboy> I remember I couldnt play mp because the DOS versions of GRF's had different md5 sums to their windows counterparts 12:53:13 <Rubidium> roboboy: yes, but then just use the Windows GRF 12:53:37 <roboboy> so one can use the DOS base grfs and windows new grfs 12:53:52 <Rubidium> yes 12:54:02 <roboboy> thats nice to know 12:54:59 <roboboy> but I remember dos ttds sample.cat or was it its music is totally different to the windows music or sample.cat and thus I had no music or samples 12:55:00 <Rubidium> although OpenTTD always assumes that the NewGRF has the same palette as be base NewGRF (as default), so if you're using the DOS base GRFs and want to load a Windows NewGRF you need to toggle the palette for that NewGRF (which is just a simple click of the mouse) 12:55:13 <Rubidium> roboboy: it's the music 12:55:22 <Rubidium> and that's still not supported 12:55:27 <Rubidium> and I doubt it ever will be 12:55:40 <roboboy> ok 12:56:06 <roboboy> would it mean reverse engineering the DOS versions sound system? 12:56:23 <Rubidium> well, the music file format 12:56:39 <roboboy> ok 12:58:04 <Rubidium> although it might be not much more than midis in the sample.cat container 12:58:44 <Rubidium> but then there are a few different music files, probably for different sound cards 13:00:57 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c950.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:01:02 <roboboy> happy new year 13:01:25 <Rubidium> still... 3 hours later than those on Christmas Island 13:02:29 <Rubidium> hmm, but weren't you in an off-by-30 minutes timezone? 13:03:08 <roboboy> Australia Sydney 13:06:14 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:52 <Rubidium> roboboy: why does your name always make me think of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1kE9nGbPwA ? 13:16:58 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a43b:78d2:3f1f:cd25] has joined #openttd 13:17:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:17:23 <roboboy> http://ttdpatch.net/chris_becke_ttdlx.html#hack has some information 13:18:46 <Rubidium> that's basically what I already said 13:20:22 <roboboy> it says the dos music cats contain midi.pat files or something 13:20:54 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:21:04 <Eddi|zuHause> aren't .pat files something like the instrument samples? 13:21:13 <Eddi|zuHause> for certain sound cards 13:21:51 <roboboy> the website I linked to says they are supposed to be some sort of midi stream 13:22:51 <Rubidium> roboboy: midi's are instrument samples 13:23:45 <roboboy> yeah 13:24:09 <roboboy> I wonder if the pats could be converted to midi somehow 13:24:40 <peter1138> midis are not samples :s 13:27:44 *** paul [~paul@APuteaux-151-1-37-111.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 13:27:47 <zar> i've seen the musics converted to midi 13:27:52 <zar> somewhere 13:27:58 <Eddi|zuHause> midis are explicitly _not_ the samples 13:28:02 <paul> Hello all 13:28:23 *** paul is now known as Guest1293 13:28:33 *** Guest1293 is now known as Polochon_street 13:28:54 <planetmaker> hello paul/ Polochon_street / Guest1293 13:29:10 <Polochon_street> Hello :) 13:30:15 <Polochon_street> Do you know how I can translate some part of openttd in French (like coal truck etc) 13:30:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Polochon_street: there exists a french translation 13:33:52 <Polochon_street> Yeah but some parts are not translated... 13:34:05 <planetmaker> I'm also pretty sure it's 100% translated. Newgrfs, of course might not 13:34:14 <planetmaker> Chances are good that they're not, but default: yes 13:35:03 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35:31 <glx> openttd french translation is complete :) 13:35:55 <glx> grf translation depends on the grf authors 13:35:59 <Polochon_street> You're sure? Because some things like "oil truck" or "coal tanker" are not translated 13:36:00 <planetmaker> hehe. would be a shame, if there's a French dev and it not being complete 13:36:15 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yeah, that would be a shame :) 13:36:19 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:36:22 <glx> these strings should come from a grf :) 13:36:34 <planetmaker> What newgrfs do you use, Polochon_street 13:36:56 <glx> oh I have a new string to translate :) 13:37:05 <planetmaker> hehe. I did that today already ;-) 13:37:12 <planetmaker> nice features 13:37:45 <glx> weird there's still a pending string 13:37:54 <Polochon_street> ...all of those who are availabe 13:37:58 <glx> it should have been commit yesterday 13:38:33 <Rubidium> glx: really? Skiper changed that string after you did 13:38:41 <Polochon_street> So, sorry... 13:38:59 <glx> ha right 13:39:10 <glx> so he changed it after the commit 13:39:28 <Polochon_street> I find something not translated :> 13:39:45 <Polochon_street> In the options 13:40:04 <planetmaker> Polochon_street: might be. 13:40:11 <Rubidium> Polochon_street: what version are you using? 13:40:13 <glx> there's only 1 untranslated string in current HEAD 13:40:22 <Polochon_street> 1.00 beta 13:40:33 <Polochon_street> without the original files, of course :D 13:40:54 <glx> quite possible there's a missing translation in beta 13:40:56 <planetmaker> despite that, you can of course apply as translator :-) 13:41:05 <Rubidium> might be that glx wasn't fast enough with translating just before that 13:41:07 <Polochon_street> How can i do it? 13:41:21 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: you "apply for" something 13:41:23 <planetmaker> write an email to translator-openttd.org 13:41:28 <Polochon_street> Ok 13:41:30 <Polochon_street> Thanks 13:41:35 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: yes. 13:41:37 <Rubidium> planetmaker: rather refer them to the faq of the translator tool 13:41:55 <planetmaker> But I guess unless there are good reasons to turn that down... I guess it will be granted. 13:42:03 <planetmaker> ok, Rubidium 13:42:11 <Polochon_street> So I will send a mail. 13:42:14 <Polochon_street> Goodbye ! 13:42:23 <Rubidium> Polochon_street: no, first read the faq 13:42:28 <Polochon_street> Rubidium: Ok 13:42:31 <Rubidium> Polochon_street: http://translator.openttd.org/en/faq <- that one 13:42:48 <Polochon_street> Ok 13:42:51 <glx> {LTBLUE}Slope steepness for trains {ORANGE}{STRING}% <-- missing ':' in english I think 13:43:58 <planetmaker> yes 13:44:12 <PeterT> Can someone explain what the use of r18647 is? 13:45:13 <Eddi|zuHause> @openttd commit 18647 13:45:18 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Commit by michi_cc :: r18647 /trunk/src (3 files) (2009-12-27 14:37:50 UTC) 13:45:19 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: -Fix: [YAPP] A train inside a station was not always found when checking for trains on a reserved path. 13:45:36 <PeterT> Sorry, wrong thing I typed it 13:45:40 <planetmaker> quite self-explaining I'd say 13:45:44 <PeterT> @openttd commit 18674 13:45:52 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Commit by peter1138 :: r18674 /trunk/src (6 files in 4 dirs) (2009-12-31 10:41:03 UTC) 13:45:53 <DorpsGek> PeterT: -Feature (FS#3459): Configurable slope steepness for trains from 0% to 10%, default is 3% as before (mostly by Terkhen) 13:45:54 <planetmaker> compile error on ARM systems 13:45:59 <PeterT> this ^^ 13:46:03 <planetmaker> oh. other one :-) 13:46:13 *** Polochon_street [~paul@APuteaux-151-1-37-111.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: "goodbye] 13:46:34 <planetmaker> send a train up a slope and change that setting 13:46:37 <planetmaker> a HEAVY train 13:46:39 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: obviously it adjust how openttd interprets a slope... higher values means steeper, so trains have more trouble 13:46:55 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8234fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:47:07 <PeterT> So, somewhat like the train weight multiplier? 13:47:13 <planetmaker> no 13:47:19 <planetmaker> only for slopes 13:47:22 <PeterT> A smaller train would need more power to get up the slope 13:47:33 <PeterT> a _steep_ slope, anyway 13:47:41 <planetmaker> ? 13:48:08 <peter1138> smaller? 13:48:20 <planetmaker> It's just whether a slope in OpenTTD simulates a height increase of 100m over 100m on the horizontal of 1000m on the horizontal 13:49:01 <planetmaker> though 10% is only 10m on 100m horizontal distance. But that's steep 13:49:20 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: weight multiplier also affects acceleration on flat land 13:50:03 <planetmaker> weight multiplier is basically the weight, slope is well... the steepness of the slope. You need, of course, more power to climb a steeper slope 13:50:23 <peter1138> anyway, the use of it is: it adjusts gameplay 13:51:33 <PeterT> Does it make gameplay difficult? 13:51:54 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: do you have any idea what a slope is? 13:52:09 <MyCatSchemes> Yes. Very. 13:52:09 <PeterT> yes, of course 13:52:34 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: have you ever driven a car up a 10% slope? 13:52:40 <glx> harder if slope >3%, easier if <3% 13:52:42 <PeterT> yes 13:52:42 <MyCatSchemes> If you turn it all the way down then OpenTTD will act as if the ground is almost flat. You crank it up and you can simulate your trains dancing about on top of spikes. :) 13:53:02 <glx> (default/old being 3%) 13:54:05 <PeterT> MyCatSchemes: That explains it 13:54:51 <Eddi|zuHause> now... for that rack railway... 13:55:22 <glx> steel on steel is more fun ;) 14:00:51 <Belugas> hello 14:01:25 <roboboy> hello 14:06:04 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:08:37 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@29.98.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09:13 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]] 14:10:21 <roboboy> happy new year 14:10:40 <glx> already new year in au ? 14:10:56 <roboboy> yep 14:11:05 <roboboy> 10 mins 14:11:18 <glx> 9 hours left here :) 14:18:51 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:19:03 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 14:20:58 * roboboy how many people run dedicated OpenTTD servers on windows 14:22:08 <roboboy> would it be worth allowing openttd to be run as a windows service? 14:23:08 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 14:27:03 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 14:28:24 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@232.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 14:31:34 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:52 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:32:12 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba934c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:39:22 <andythenorth> hi Belugas 14:40:21 <Belugas> hey andythenorth 14:40:54 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:12 * andythenorth wonders which is better. really horrible action 2 code to check tile location, or some weird looking foundations 14:47:13 <Eddi|zuHause> from immediate user point of view, the code ;) 14:47:22 <andythenorth> meh 14:49:00 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=41607&p=844506#p844506 14:49:14 <andythenorth> currently fishing harbour can build on corners 14:49:21 <andythenorth> which leads to some nasty looking foundations... 14:55:58 <PeterT> is there a wiki page on the shared directories in windows of OpenTTD? 14:56:08 <PeterT> I want to reference it in the MSYS guide 14:59:55 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c950.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:05 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00:09 <MyCatSchemes> andythenorth, that looks like a real dock to me with a little pier on it. :) 15:00:18 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:00:57 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:34 <planetmaker> PeterT: there's the readme... 15:02:42 <PeterT> Yeah, I linked to it 15:03:16 <PeterT> planetmaker: http://wiki.openttd.org/Mingw#Testing_OpenTTD <-- How does that look? 15:04:22 <planetmaker> bad. We use OpenGFX ;-) 15:04:42 <PeterT> Lol 15:04:58 <andythenorth> planetmaker: how does FIRS look with opengfx? 15:05:24 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:48 <planetmaker> and opensfx. Honestly It'd be better to link to some generic base set description or to the one which are free. Not proprietary stuff 15:06:33 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I cannot compare. I never looked at it with the default base set :-) 15:07:06 <PeterT> go ahead, it's a wiki 15:07:14 <PeterT> but you already know that ;-) 15:07:26 <planetmaker> you're the wiki guru ;-) 15:07:48 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba934c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:57 <murr4y> http://i.imgur.com/ZT9iq.png 15:08:00 * planetmaker looks for an excuse... 15:08:09 <planetmaker> I still have a dirty flat to tidy before tonight ;-) 15:12:28 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 15:18:49 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:28:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76CD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:02 *** MyCatSchemes [~mycatverb@5ac7ac11.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:44:17 *** sparrL2 [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:49:20 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.251.228] has joined #openttd 15:50:23 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [Quit: Partaaaay] 15:52:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74CF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:54:53 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:28 <andythenorth> hmm 15:58:35 <peter1138> hmm? 15:58:50 <andythenorth> wiki says I can set an empty ground sprite for an industry tile with 00 00 00 00 15:58:54 <andythenorth> nforenum disagree 15:58:55 <andythenorth> s 16:03:12 *** asilv [~asilvio@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fe9afa00-232.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:07:22 <andythenorth> nforenum is correct :| 16:07:51 <andythenorth> how does an industry tile on water show water? must be a way 16:08:17 *** ecke [~ecke@211.143.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 16:10:27 <andythenorth> oh screw it, I'll cheat 16:11:38 <peter1138> use the water sprite? 16:14:01 <andythenorth> how do I find the sprite number for it :P 16:14:30 * andythenorth prepares to decode opengfx.... 16:16:02 <andythenorth> meanwhile, in the OpenTTD source DoBuildShiplift looks interesting 16:16:13 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:27 <andythenorth> oh, it's just a lock 16:18:05 <peter1138> you decode opengfx, and get the sprite number from there 16:25:39 <andythenorth> yay 16:25:43 <andythenorth> water tile is 4061 16:25:52 <andythenorth> it's nicely commented in opengfx source 16:34:51 <planetmaker> all of you have a good evening and "guten Rutsch". See you next year :-) 16:39:16 *** Opperpanter [4df9ee04@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:39:31 <Opperpanter> Hello everyone... 16:39:55 <Opperpanter> I just setup a dedicated server on my NAS. 16:40:06 <Opperpanter> Can anyone help me for a minute and try to connect? 16:40:31 <Opperpanter> It's called ARM Debian Testserver. Tnx 16:40:48 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:06 <andythenorth> and it's time to go. Happy new year ;) 16:41:14 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.11.1.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 16:42:13 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43:50 *** darkmonkey [~josh@94-194-62-217.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:48:08 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8234fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 16:54:02 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@217.216.88.153.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 17:01:26 *** Varivar [~Varivar@ip5653c04a.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 17:02:44 *** darkmonkey [~josh@94-194-62-217.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 17:03:09 *** darkmonkey [~josh@94-194-62-217.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:04:42 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 17:07:20 *** Opperpanter [4df9ee04@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 17:09:33 <Terkhen> I'd like some feedback about this patch... what is missing? should I correct something?: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3318 17:14:02 <Hirundo> Why are you declaring ret at the top of the function, while it's not used until later on? 17:17:00 <Terkhen> good point, I don't know why I did not kept it the way it is in trunk 17:20:14 <Alberth> I don't know enough of that part of the code to really understand, but the swapping of the tile parameters seems a bit useless to me 17:20:33 <Hirundo> It had a reason IIRC 17:21:22 <Hirundo> Also, instead of using a boolean to distinguish north->south and v.v., you may want to use a DiagDirection 17:21:59 <Hirundo> I believe there are functions to get a tile offset and a road bit, based on a DiagDirection 17:23:24 <Terkhen> Alberth: the cost of building the road would appear at the last drag tile, even if the built road ends before it 17:23:53 <Terkhen> Hirundo: that seems more clean, I'll try that 17:24:35 <Alberth> ah, that may be useful :) 17:30:09 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:58:39 *** asilv [~asilvio@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fe9afa00-232.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 18:03:11 <Hirundo> Terkhen: I have been playing around with it, see http://paste.openttd.org/220813 18:03:31 <Hirundo> It is bugged when building a single tile, you may want to use it as inspiration, though 18:08:37 <Terkhen> will do, thanks Hirundo 18:11:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18675 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Add [FS#3256]: function to remove focus from all widgets in a window 18:12:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18676 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Change [FS#3411]: 'escape' in the 'found town' window removes the focus from the town name input box 18:22:13 *** sparrL2 [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:38 <peter1138> buggy? 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20:33:59 <Alberth> you were trying to make winding loops 20:34:32 <fjb> peter1138: You should ask peter1138. 20:37:28 <peter1138> nah, i don't know him 20:39:28 *** sparrL2 [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:46:29 <guru3> 1.0 beta :o 20:46:44 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BD49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:35 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B04A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:02:30 <peter1138> old news 21:28:55 <Belugas> oooops.. was so in a hurry to leave the offce that i forgot one thing... 21:29:13 <Rubidium> yourself? 21:29:16 <Belugas> HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!!! 21:29:30 <Rubidium> Belugas: yeah, see you next decade 21:29:38 <Belugas> yup 21:30:05 <Belugas> may all your enterprises may be successfull, Rubidium :) 21:30:35 <Belugas> a decade... god... time flies... 21:30:43 <Belugas> wht a decade it was:) 21:30:56 <Belugas> i imagine next one is going t be as ... 21:31:01 <Belugas> bzy :S 21:31:55 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 21:46:24 <Coco-Banana-Man> hmm.. 21:46:49 <Coco-Banana-Man> according to (german at least) Wikipedia, the next decade starts in 2011 :-S 21:49:43 <fjb> Right. There was no year 0. 21:53:48 <thingwath> Well, decade can be any 10-year long period. So even 2000-2009. But yes, in that case, the first one had only 9 years :) 22:06:41 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 22:07:36 <Alberth> it's not different from everybody believing that the current century started in 2k 22:09:25 <fjb> The usual off by one error. 22:14:18 <Alberth> somebody messed up almost 2009 years ago by starting at year 1 :p 22:16:22 <Noldo> *cough* 22:17:58 <thingwath> gregorian calendar isn't that old :) 22:18:48 <fjb> I think 0 was not invented yet back then. 22:19:48 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:07 <Noldo> 1BC - 1999 AD is a as good millenium as any 22:20:17 <Noldo> well 2 22:21:11 <fjb> Counting from 1 to 2001 is obviously easier. 22:21:31 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:21:44 <peter1138> burp 22:22:25 <PeterT> 'scuse you 22:22:41 <Noldo> and changing from 2000 to 2001 is more meaningful than changing from 1999 to 2000 as being a year old is more meaningful than being born 22:23:21 <PeterT> is it? 22:23:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.211.54] has joined #openttd 22:25:19 <fjb> No, getting 1 year old was when year 1 changed to year 2. 22:30:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.198.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:44 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:36 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 22:52:18 <Fast2> Guten Rutsch euch allen ("Guter Rutsch" say German just before the new year begins) 22:54:41 <thingwath> We're all living in Germany... (and mostly like it) 22:55:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:28 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:00:14 <HerzogDeXtEr1> Happy New Year 23:00:29 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9662.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:03 <Farden> happy new year, geeks! 23:02:08 <PeterT> happy new year 23:02:20 <fjb> Happy new year! 23:02:36 <NeosaD> happy new year!! 23:02:50 <NeosaD> lets go play other time :P 23:03:06 <jonty-comp> okay, I am really not doing this for the next 3 hours in every channel I am in :S 23:03:11 <jonty-comp> but happy new year 23:10:11 <thingwath> CET should be the official timezone of this channel :) Happy new year. 23:11:39 <PeterT> it is 23:11:45 <PeterT> do you mean CEST? 23:12:10 <Sacro> no it isn't 23:12:11 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:14 <Sacro> it should be GMT 23:12:18 <KenjiE20> it's not summer 23:12:23 <thingwath> hm, I like CET more, but CEST covers larger part of year 23:12:24 <Rubidium> it should be UTC! 23:12:52 <KenjiE20> quite 23:16:20 <rhaeder> happy new year :) 23:21:26 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 23:23:06 <blathijs> Happy new year! 23:29:32 <Coco-Banana-Man> Happy new year! 23:31:43 <sparr> Coco-Banana-Man: a new decade starts every day. anything beyond that is semantics. 23:32:24 <sparr> Sacro: UTC! 23:32:35 <sparr> Rubidium: glad someone has it straight :) 23:33:19 <Sacro> sparr: ? 23:33:21 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:33:24 <Sacro> UTC is the same near enough 23:34:50 <sparr> heh 23:35:13 <sparr> last new year I wrote letters complaining to some of the local NYE events about their ignorance of the leap second 23:37:07 <sparr> which, regardless of when you insert it, should have been accounted for 23:55:40 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7620E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd