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00:01:19 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: there are already newgrf ways to create bridges, the point was to make bridge definitions independent from railtypes, these now only need to be extended for tunnels 00:02:10 <planetmaker> the difference between bridges and tunnels is that bridges are _on_ the landscape, thus need not know about it. 00:02:23 <planetmaker> Tunnels are per definition under. Thuns they need to know. 00:02:34 <planetmaker> *Thus 00:02:55 <ashb> how is a tunnel entrance different to a brdige ramp? 00:03:04 <ashb> in that regard? 00:03:15 <planetmaker> ashb: it incorporates e.g. grass on top 00:03:23 <ashb> ah 00:03:36 <planetmaker> and grass != grass for different base sets 00:03:52 <planetmaker> thus you cannot draw that. And the newgrf cannot determine the correct one 00:04:26 <planetmaker> or different desert sand colour. Or alike 00:04:37 <planetmaker> differently drawn snow cover and amount 00:05:02 <planetmaker> well. snow amount doesn't matter ;-) 00:07:22 <Eddi|zuHause> snow amount isn't stored for rail tiles 00:07:32 <Eddi|zuHause> just snow or not 00:09:59 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75110.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:10:03 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75110.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:10:21 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:13:36 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D944E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... 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00:38:26 <zachanima> :o 00:38:32 <zachanima> sounds ... kinky 00:38:48 <zachanima> also it really doesn't 00:39:17 <PeterT> I just have questions about his new alteconomy patch :S 00:39:34 <PeterT> Also, that's not kinky 00:39:49 <PeterT> zachanima: Hey, baby, wanna go in PM and *purr* 00:41:32 <zachanima> *rawr* 00:42:10 <zachanima> these are delicious times 00:42:14 <zachanima> 1.0, et al 00:44:09 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:02:04 <PeterT> Grr, those tt-forums... 01:02:26 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@brln-4dbc105e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 01:02:56 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:06:17 *** fonsinchen is now known as Guest244 01:06:17 *** fonsinchen1 is now known as fonsinchen 01:09:24 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 01:09:40 *** Guest244 [~alve@brln-4dbabc9a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:14:21 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:55 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 01:21:28 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:22:10 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 01:24:16 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177233240.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 01:25:16 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 01:27:39 *** Sirenia_ [~sirenia@93.186.164.51] has joined #openttd 01:28:03 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@93.186.164.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:29:47 *** Sirenia_ is now known as Sirenia 01:31:54 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177237238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:33:52 *** Kylan [~kylan@c-71-63-176-121.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:34:48 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc105e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:42:42 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 01:50:31 <Eddi|zuHause> why is track maintenance not implemented? it should be as simple as deducting an amount of money in the tileloop based on the trackbits present and a newgrf property 02:11:20 <Priski> Eddi|zuHause: new feature soon in trunk? 02:11:44 <Priski> or it should, is that what you are talking about 02:12:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm asking why nobody did it, or if somebody did it, why it was not included 02:12:59 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c498.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:13:21 <Priski> :/ 02:13:39 <Priski> well it seem pretty simple thing to do in a sense 02:13:48 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:13:56 <Priski> *seems 02:16:35 <Priski> I would like that a lot, since i think that openttd suffers from overwhelming easyness... 02:16:56 <Priski> at current state that it is 02:18:21 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 02:19:28 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-79-136-5-149.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 02:20:08 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-52-229.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25:40 <Eddi|zuHause> like i said previously, linear costs don't solve the easiness. you always get to a point where you earn more than you can spend. 02:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause> ... or it gets so difficult that your first line won't get profitable 02:27:09 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:29:40 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:31:41 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-52-229.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 02:36:28 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 02:40:21 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:41:14 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:13:51 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-148-175.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 03:21:50 *** fjb [~frank@84.133.236.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:26:25 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-141-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:31:20 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-159-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:41:11 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:54:04 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 03:55:53 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:58:53 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Wintersoldier] 04:06:09 *** gr00vy [cRave@dslb-188-097-159-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:04 *** gr00vy [cRave@dslb-188-097-159-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:13:47 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:14:58 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-148-175.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:16:16 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-164-205.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 04:16:59 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E93E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:19:22 <Priski> argh 04:20:04 <Priski> "bad hunk" Applying pach suddenly took an ugly turn... 04:20:10 <Priski> patch 04:21:44 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 04:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause> seriously? THAT is what put you off? 04:26:18 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:25bb:9a2e:10e4:1421] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:27:54 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:28:08 <Priski> well it kinda sucks when you have no idea what to do and toddle around stuckness for hours 04:28:08 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:34:21 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Wintersoldier] 04:40:59 <ccfreak2k> Doing a "dry run" helps. 04:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well, obviously you missed the part in the description of patching that says "you need to have a fucking clue what you're doing" 04:43:05 <Priski> I though I did 04:43:39 <Eddi|zuHause> also you missed the part in sesame street where they say "if you don't have a fucking clue, fucking ask someone!" 04:46:02 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 04:46:47 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 04:48:51 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:51:16 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 04:53:50 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:56:23 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:58:09 *** DanMacK [~here@bas8-london14-1242504679.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 05:10:20 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:14:27 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 05:14:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 05:17:04 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:21:06 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 05:27:24 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 05:31:18 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:37:06 *** Kylan [~kyle@c-71-63-176-121.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:40:31 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 05:41:37 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:51:58 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 06:17:37 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@CPE-58-173-248-50.szxn1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:37:15 *** TB [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 06:37:17 *** Kylan [~kyle@c-71-63-176-121.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:41:19 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:41:23 <Priski> yep yep 06:49:43 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:50:19 *** DanMacK [~here@bas8-london14-1242504679.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 07:02:56 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:03:16 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 07:29:06 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@241.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 07:29:16 <Terkhen> good morning 07:31:14 <Forked> greetings 07:54:28 <Pikka> wotcha 07:55:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B574.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:56:30 <__ln__> cheese 07:59:02 <Pikka> vegemite 07:59:41 <SirSquidness> Vegemite is quite distasteful. 08:09:27 <Pikka> get out 08:10:08 <Noldo> argh, why is it that programming has to be so hard 08:10:36 <__ln__> just dump Java, and it'll be a lot easier 08:11:46 <Noldo> I've been lucky enough to avoid Java in professional context so far 08:12:47 <__ln__> me too 08:12:53 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 08:16:57 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:27:32 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-244-162.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:37:14 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:38:29 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:56:00 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-78-118.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 08:56:12 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 09:01:09 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 09:05:17 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:08:08 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:28 <planetmaker> good morning 09:18:40 *** TB is now known as TrueBrain 09:21:47 *** Companion_Cube [~part@142.179.121.100] has joined #openttd 09:21:50 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:23:08 <Pikka> the cake is a spy! 09:25:36 * peter1138 ponders debian init scripts 09:25:55 <peter1138> i need to start a program up, as an unprivileged user 09:26:52 <Noldo> the program needs to run as uprivileged user or the signal to start the program comes from unprivileged user? 09:29:22 <ccfreak2k> su 09:33:18 <peter1138> former. su did the trick :) 09:37:56 <ccfreak2k> You can send my check through the mail. 09:40:01 <peter1138> no problem 09:40:13 <peter1138> good job you didn't ask for a cheque, i suppose 09:40:25 *** slaca [~slaca@catv-89-134-144-98.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 10:12:21 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cec1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:13:03 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@ti500720a080-1382.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:19:09 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:20:36 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:28:05 *** slaca [~slaca@catv-89-134-144-98.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28:13 *** slaca [~slaca@catv-89-134-144-98.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 10:28:22 *** slaca [~slaca@catv-89-134-144-98.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [] 10:33:24 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@ti500720a080-1382.bb.online.no] has left #openttd [Leaving] 10:42:49 *** supdood [me@c-91c9e655.018-24-73746f48.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:59:02 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 11:10:25 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 11:11:22 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 11:13:57 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:55 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:15:23 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:18:58 *** LadyHawk [~here@office01.ldhosting.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:22 *** LadyHawk [~here@office01.ldhosting.com] has joined #openttd 11:23:54 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 11:26:55 * roboboy is confused by the jumper settings on some of his older IDE HDDs 11:31:59 <LadyHawk> jumper settings 11:32:01 <LadyHawk> gotta love em 11:32:46 <LadyHawk> ide cable plug on the end cable select -> master, second plug in middle some place cable select -> slave 11:32:48 <Illegal_Alien> Jumper <3 11:33:26 <LadyHawk> 'cable select' will mess up and wont work right when you get (un)lucky 11:33:30 *** OwenS`Phone [~mirggi@82.132.139.187] has joined #openttd 11:33:37 <LadyHawk> it's fun to figure out wth is wrong and then it ends up being this tiny little jumper setting -_- 11:45:56 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 11:48:20 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.18.207] has joined #openttd 11:49:56 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.18.207] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:51:12 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.18.207] has joined #openttd 11:52:55 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.18.207] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:05 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 11:55:32 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.18.207] has joined #openttd 12:02:13 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 12:06:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:10:41 *** Starn [~chatzilla@ppp-70-248-214-175.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 12:14:04 <Starn> Hello. 12:16:13 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:18:19 *** OwenS`Phone [~mirggi@82.132.139.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:18 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.18.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:59 <planetmaker> hello Starn 12:28:52 <roboboy> hello 12:29:14 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.23.205] has joined #openttd 12:31:20 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.23.205] has quit [] 12:32:21 * roboboy slams the door on doorslammer 12:36:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:24 <Starn> how is every one? 12:36:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:39:06 * roboboy might go to bed soon 12:39:19 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.5.142] has joined #openttd 12:39:30 <Starn> I am pondering on the Topic that is set... Do the rules allow for general chatter? 12:41:36 <roboboy> I think so 12:42:04 <Ammler> "greets" and "byes" are always nice (not OT) :-) 12:42:22 <Rubidium> hi Ammler 12:42:29 <Rubidium> bye Ammler 12:42:30 <Ammler> Sali Rubi 12:42:35 <Rubidium> hi Ammler 12:42:37 <Rubidium> bye Ammler 12:42:38 <Rubidium> :) 12:42:44 <Ammler> ah :-P 12:43:19 <Starn> Ugh my bus's keep getting old. 12:43:37 <Ammler> then replace it... 12:43:56 <Rubidium> Starn: look for autorenew and autoreplace on the wiki 12:44:06 <Starn> I do It's only slightly annoying. My trains seem to last longer :) 12:47:10 <Starn> So. Any suggestions for genre of music to make for OTTD? Please say something not related to jazz lol 12:48:39 <roboboy> blues? 12:48:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:49:33 <Starn> I can't do blues or jazz related i can do classical and few others like techno classical and techo mix is decent. 12:50:49 <Doorslammer> I reckon a mix of everything 12:52:27 <Ammler> Starn: just nice MuSiX, I guess there is space for every style... :-) 12:52:35 <Starn> Might some one be able to explain why Darwin 300 is the only aircraft to hold 300 passengers? And alright Doorslammer. I may not be able to create as much music as I have intended I had planed a minimum of 12 songs. But my amount of free time says other wise lol 12:57:45 <planetmaker> Starn, the easiest step wrt to music is "start with one song" 12:58:12 <planetmaker> You don't need to provide a whole set of 12 or so... we accept contributions from more than one person :-P 12:58:49 <planetmaker> And a bit of variety doesn't hurt 12:59:08 <planetmaker> after all there are three distinctly different themes available in the first place 12:59:15 <planetmaker> we can use that to our advantage. 13:06:12 <roboboy> what else apart from blues and jazz was there? 13:08:37 <planetmaker> dunno. And IMO it doesn't matter 13:08:43 <planetmaker> We don't want to copy the original 13:08:56 <planetmaker> We want original music (in the other sense of 'original') 13:09:07 <planetmaker> genuine 13:09:14 <planetmaker> unique 13:09:18 <planetmaker> fitting 13:09:33 * roboboy understands 13:09:36 <planetmaker> but those attributes can be attached to a number of different styles 13:10:39 <planetmaker> I'm sure those people which know how to compose music will have a hand for that :-) I don't want to make too many restrictions there in the first place. 13:11:03 <planetmaker> maybe not a hand but an ear ;-) 13:12:28 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has joined #openttd 13:12:31 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:909a:5:f339:c53c] has joined #openttd 13:12:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:16:30 <planetmaker> Starn, classical music would - in my opinion - fit the game also nicely. 13:17:18 <planetmaker> Maybe you also know apocalyptica ;-) - but I'm not entirely sure whether such would fit here from the setting 13:18:12 <Starn> I would love to go Apocalyptica! 13:18:38 <Starn> Now I just need to learn to play like them :P 13:19:47 <Starn> Right now i am working on a peace with Church Organ and Drawbar Organ with some Orchestra Hits and Tremolo Strings. There is gonna be more instruments to. 13:25:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:28:12 <Ammler> maybe the Bolero :-) 13:29:40 <Eddi|zuHause> is that expired yet? 13:30:54 <Eddi|zuHause> with "important" pieces you never know what tricks they use to not let the copyright expire 13:31:16 <Eddi|zuHause> like the sherlock holmes books, where the author is dead for more than 70 years now 13:31:28 <Starn> Has what expired? And Ammler I'll see how it sounds and see what i can do to this peace. I've recored about 0:36:15 13:31:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Starn: the copyright of the bolero 13:31:54 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-79-136-5-149.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 13:32:25 <Starn> ah oh i know some classical music i can preform with out copyright laws bugging me! 13:32:40 <Ammler> I wonder, how that would sound with midi format :-) 13:33:14 <Starn> As do I. maybe i can read the sheet music 13:33:24 <Eddi|zuHause> why would that be different than any orchestra playing it? 13:33:42 <Eddi|zuHause> at least, if you have any remotely sensible sound font :p 13:34:41 <Ammler> http://users1.ee.net/lstone/bolero.mid 13:35:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: Maurice Ravel composed the bolero in 1928 and died in 1937. so copyright theoretical ran out in 2007 13:36:07 <Ammler> might not be a tycoonish midi :-) 13:36:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:10 <Starn> I shall look into this. It seems like an good idea to me 13:37:16 *** fjb is now known as Guest318 13:37:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C9EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:09 <Ammler> do the midi players differ? 13:39:36 <Eddi|zuHause> in what way do you mean? 13:39:48 *** Guest318 [~frank@p5485E93E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:40:00 <Ammler> does it sound different on windows and linux with different software? 13:40:08 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 13:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause> midi only defines "play note <X> with duration <Y> at volume <Z>" 13:41:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it defines "play with instrument <A>" but does not define "instrument <A> should sound like this" 13:42:45 <Eddi|zuHause> that is defined by the soundfont, which can be cheap (= delivered with the midi device [soundcard or emulator]) or expensive (i have seen prices way above 2000â¬) 13:44:43 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm25.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:45:10 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Quit: dodge] 13:45:16 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@CPE-58-173-248-50.szxn1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 13:45:33 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 13:46:43 <Starn> indeed i use generic sound font that is widely used on linux and windows 13:47:39 <Eddi|zuHause> the cheap sound fonts are likely synthetic, while the expensive ones are recordings from real instruments 13:50:00 <Eddi|zuHause> then you can probably differentiate between ones that have one sample per instrument and resample that for each note, or ones that have separate samples for each note 13:50:12 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50:29 <Eddi|zuHause> there are likely 265 instruments with 256 notes each 13:50:34 <Starn> It's all synthetic from what i know. programs like fruity studio has recored sound. 13:50:35 <Eddi|zuHause> plus a percussion set 13:50:50 <Ammler> oh, didn't know, midi can also have text 13:51:15 <Starn> I mainly work with MP3 and OGG formates. and Wav. 13:51:18 <Eddi|zuHause> what "text" do you mean? 13:51:50 <Ammler> like "Karaoke" 13:52:01 <Starn> i can find no copyright for Boléro at the government site for the public copyright catalog 13:52:04 <Chrill> Carrey Oakie? 13:52:14 <Eddi|zuHause> ah 13:52:19 <Starn> ammler spelled it correctly. 13:52:32 <Starn> though that is how it sounds chrill 13:52:38 <planetmaker> Starn, copyright doesn't have to be registered. 13:52:53 <planetmaker> at least not where I live 13:53:03 <Starn> where do you live? 13:53:07 <planetmaker> EU 13:53:21 <Starn> ah i am looking at the American database 13:53:33 <Starn> copyright laws differ from country to country to. 13:53:34 <Ammler> hmm, openttd could use chat to sing :-) 13:54:06 <Ammler> or planes fly around with speach banners 13:54:06 <peter1138> heh 13:54:17 <peter1138> midi doesn't define any sounds 13:54:17 <planetmaker> thing I want to say is: not having found copyright registered doesn't put you on a safe side to use it. 13:54:41 <Starn> indeed. 13:55:02 <peter1138> GM synths have a set of standardised instruments, usually sample-based (i.e. wavetable) 13:55:07 <Starn> if i recall in US anything before 1978 unless otherwise stated is no longer copyrighted. 13:56:08 <peter1138> the interesting stuff comes from realtime synthesis, which you can't rely on for ottd :s 13:56:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:59:38 <roboboy> gnight 13:59:55 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 14:00:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Starn: that only applies to works created in the US, not for international works 14:01:10 <Starn> Created before 1-1-78 aka 1/1/1978. but not published 1-1-78 the effective date of the 1976 which eliminated common law copyright life + 70 years or 12-32-2002 which ever is greater and for published created before 1-1-78 but published between then and 12-31-2002 life + 70 years or 12-31-2047 which ever is greater 14:01:29 <Starn> and stuff created before is slightly confusing. 14:01:46 <Starn> i know for sure anything before 1923 is safe. 14:02:01 <Eddi|zuHause> 1928 is not before 1923 14:02:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and again, only copyright within the country of origin counts, the rest is covered by the berne convention 14:03:16 <Starn> 1923 to 63 says when published with notice 28 years + could be renewed for 47 years now extended by 20 years for a total renewal of 67 years if not so renewed, now in public domain. 14:03:29 <Starn> i am pretty sure what i am reading is international. 14:03:46 <Starn> unless the EU is retarted with 100 year lasting copyrights. 14:04:00 <planetmaker> 70 years 14:04:05 <planetmaker> mostly 14:04:41 <Starn> and i highly doubt any one has copyright for anything longer than 80-130 years.. 14:05:13 <Starn> now i do know some one can buy the rights for a peace and recopyright it. 14:05:18 <Belugas> hello 14:05:27 <Starn> Hello. Belugas 14:05:31 <Eddi|zuHause> nope, all this "register and extend" business is USA only, for international copyright, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works 14:06:20 <Eddi|zuHause> "Under the Convention, copyrights for creative works are automatically in force upon their creation without being asserted or declared. 14:08:18 <Starn> so does this mean all my published creations is copyrighted now? 14:08:34 <TinoDidriksen> They always have been. 14:08:52 <Starn> gah no bad! i don't want them to be! i want most of them to be fully open. 14:09:04 <Starn> 100% free no copyrights at all 14:09:08 <TinoDidriksen> Then you have to explicitly state you're putting them in public domain. 14:09:09 <Eddi|zuHause> "The United States initially refused to become party to the Convention since it would have required major changes in its copyright law, particularly with regard to moral rights, removal of general requirement for registration of copyright works and elimination of mandatory copyright notice. This led to the Universal Copyright Convention in 1952 to accommodate the wishes of the United States. But on March 1, 1989, the U.S. "Berne 14:09:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Convention Implementation Act of 1988" came into force and the United States became a party to the Berne Convention, making the Universal Copyright Convention obsolete." 14:09:37 <TinoDidriksen> If you don't have a "this work is put into public domain" then it's by default copyright to you until death+70 years. 14:10:25 <Eddi|zuHause> note that "this work is put into public domain" is invalid in some jurisdictions, so it falls back to "life + 70 years" automatically 14:10:30 <ashb> TinoDidriksen: public domain doesn't exist in some places 14:10:40 <Eddi|zuHause> so generally use a real license like CC licenses 14:10:54 <Starn> ah good i tend to use CC for programs ... 14:10:58 <ashb> (the most commonly sited place where PD doesn't exist is Germany) 14:11:04 <Ammler> or GPL for openttd 14:11:09 <ashb> WTFPL is also good 14:11:25 <Starn> is there still PD in US? 14:11:45 <__ln__> NYPD! 14:12:14 <Starn> you guys gonna make me get a lawyer and pay them to tell me what i can and cannot do. lol 14:12:35 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:12:42 <Starn> i highly doubt i can afford them for more than 10 days. 14:12:43 <Ammler> well, you need also to declare PD, so you can as good use a "right" license right away 14:12:54 <Starn> ah 14:14:44 <Starn> i have an great idea! i know couple songs before 18th century i am sure they are not copyrighted now days 14:14:56 <Starn> anyone wanna hear greensleeves in OTTD? 14:15:12 <peter1138> no 14:17:02 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-78-118.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 14:19:06 <planetmaker> Starn, commedian harmonists :-) 14:19:38 <TinoDidriksen> ashb, I can find no reference that Germany doesn't have Public Domain...also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Duration_Directive_%2893/98/EEC%29 made it equal across the whole of EU. 14:19:41 <planetmaker> but... it might get critical there wrt expiration. 14:20:23 <planetmaker> TinoDidriksen, that's the problem to find negative evidence. Prove that it exists here. 14:20:30 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 14:20:35 <planetmaker> And you'll fail doing so. 14:20:39 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:40 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:20:41 <Doorslammer> The only time I would ever want Greensleeves in OTTD is if there was an ice cream van GRF 14:20:43 <TinoDidriksen> The directive equalized copyright law across the whole of EU... 14:20:53 <planetmaker> TinoDidriksen, no, PD in Germany ;-) 14:21:19 <planetmaker> there are constructs which are nearly the same, but not quite. 14:21:32 <Eddi|zuHause> http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Ravel,_Maurice <--- apparently they believe that copyright has expired 14:21:35 <TinoDidriksen> Yes, since the rest of EU has PD, then Germany also does. They explicitly mention cases where things that previously were in PD in Germany no longer are due to longer copyrights. 14:22:34 <TinoDidriksen> So Germany has had PD since WW2, at least. 14:22:51 <planetmaker> TinoDidriksen, the difference basically is: copyright cannot be revoked. Only all rights given up. 14:22:51 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, germany has PD as in "copyright has expired" but not PD as in "creator releases copyright" 14:22:58 <Rubidium> planetmaker: http://imslp.org/wiki/Bol%C3%A9ro_%28Ravel,_Maurice%29 says " * While PD in Canada, this work is copyright in the USA until 1 January 2025. 14:23:28 <planetmaker> PD=no copyright. "gemeinfrei"=no copyrights claimed / all rights granted for whatever use via license 14:24:49 <ashb> yeah - thus saying 'i place this code in the public domain' does not work for germany 14:25:08 <ashb> sayiung '(c) A. Other. Released under WTFPL' does work 14:26:04 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-79-136-5-149.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27:25 <planetmaker> interesting site, thx, Rubidium 14:29:55 <ashb> basicaly PD has all kinds of issues - not least of which its confusing. so an explict license of "do wtf you want" is just easier 14:30:35 <Rubidium> ashb: definitely, but it's hard to ask Ravel to do that 14:30:35 <ashb> doesn't have to be WTFPL of course. 14:30:44 <Rubidium> just blame the stupid media industry 14:30:49 <ashb> Ravel? 14:31:24 *** LadyHawk [~here@office01.ldhosting.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:27 <Rubidium> early 20th century composer 14:31:29 <ashb> ah 14:31:31 *** LadyHawk [~here@office01.ldhosting.com] has joined #openttd 14:31:33 <ashb> right yes :) 14:32:15 <blathijs> ashb: What's this PD thing? 14:32:23 <ashb> PD = public domain 14:32:30 <ashb> in this context anyway 14:32:32 <blathijs> Ah, obviously 14:35:39 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 14:39:30 <planetmaker> blathijs, you're the Debian porter of OpenGFX, right? 14:40:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe lennard is the one responsible for debian packaging 14:41:01 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:41:44 <lennard> whu? I just run a mirror :P 14:41:46 <planetmaker> the feature requests and bug reports for OpenGFX are by mathijs. Isn't that the same person? 14:42:06 <planetmaker> +t 14:45:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, mathijs and blathijs are the same person 14:45:12 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't it matthijs? 14:45:31 <planetmaker> blathijs, if so, it'd be nice, to check whether OpenGFX r308 fixes the issues you raised :-) 14:45:38 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, yes. That's why +t ;-) 14:46:24 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 14:47:13 <Eddi|zuHause> with all these Mat[th]ias-people you never know how they spell their name... 14:47:38 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:48:56 <planetmaker> :-) 14:51:02 <blathijs> planetmaker: Yes, I am. I'll have a look next week. I intended to have a look at the diff, but it is so massive that I had better just test it :-) 14:54:04 <Belugas> Hello mister Starn 14:54:09 <Belugas> sorry for lagging 14:54:13 <Belugas> usual in my case 14:54:32 <Starn> Hello 14:54:51 <U1> I think OpenGFX lacks stripclubs 14:55:07 <U1> just saying 14:55:47 <Eddi|zuHause> U1: you need newhouses for that :p 14:55:58 <U1> oh? 14:56:01 <U1> :D 14:56:07 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:57:09 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:58:27 <planetmaker> blathijs, yes... it's kinda a rewrite :-) 14:58:55 <planetmaker> sorry if that makes reading the diff impossible. But hopefully better maintainable :-) 14:59:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:59:10 <planetmaker> at least as all newgrfs now can work with that 15:00:11 <blathijs> planetmaker: Yeah, I noticed that. 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I never assumed that OTTD had that many more airports 17:57:58 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm25.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has left #openttd [Leaving] 17:58:16 <Yexo> newgrf airports would be a lot simpler if those new airports had never been added 18:00:19 <Eddi|zuHause> TTD only had small, big and heliport 18:00:53 <Eddi|zuHause> afaik the first step of openttd was introducing the metropolitan and international airport 18:01:18 *** Guest345 [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:18 <Eddi|zuHause> the second step was introducing the intercontinental and commuter airport, and the other heliports 18:01:49 <Yexo> http://paste.openttd.org/225150 <- that's most likely the order in which they were introduced 18:02:13 <Yexo> so indeed metropolitan and international first, but intercontinental was after commuter and helidepot (or at the same time) 18:02:19 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:02:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe they were at the same time 18:02:40 <Eddi|zuHause> richk had some other airport designs, which were not included 18:03:01 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaace4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:03:06 <Rubidium> metropolitan = dv, rest is richk 18:03:08 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:22 <planetmaker> he... 18:03:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:17 <Rubidium> hmm, actually.. international is in 0.3.4 too. The rest isn't 18:05:01 <Rubidium> anyhow, metro + inter were added in 0.3.3 18:05:05 <planetmaker> and the International is more efficient than the Intercontinental ;-) 18:05:08 <Rubidium> (0.3.4 is first svn thingy) 18:05:43 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:04 <Rubidium> the others were added in 0.5.0 18:06:46 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:18 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:18 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest348 18:07:18 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:07:23 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:07:46 <Rubidium> but intercontinental being worse than international (again) shows that richk's work wasn't that outstanding 18:08:45 *** nfc [~nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:09:03 *** ptr__ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has joined #openttd 18:09:03 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09:13 *** ptr_ [~peter@p249-n81.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 18:13:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:13:13 *** Guest348 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:43 <HackaLittleBit> yexo: Are there newGRF's that are compatible with all 3 base set's? 18:14:07 <Yexo> what kind of newgrfs? if any, then yes 18:14:33 <Yexo> for a lot of newgrfs the base set doesn't matter, like for town name grfs, vehicle newgrfs that define a complete new vehicle set, industry grfs etc. 18:14:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7605B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:21 <Eddi|zuHause> HackaLittleBit: vehicle newgrfs are likely base set agnostic 18:15:50 <Eddi|zuHause> HackaLittleBit: house grfs depend on the implementation (e.g. alpine is not compatible, because it reuses original sprites) 18:16:38 <Eddi|zuHause> station grfs also depend, if they include the track graphics (like newstations) or not (like ISR) 18:17:04 *** ptr__ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:06 <HackaLittleBit> ok got it 18:17:14 *** ptr_ [~peter@p249-n81.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:27 <Eddi|zuHause> HackaLittleBit: in general, newgrfs cannot detect which base set is loaded, so incompatibilites can only be graphical 18:19:41 <fjb> Alpine reuses original sprites? How bad... 18:20:10 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: it only contains the snowy roofs, the houses themselves are reused 18:20:24 <HackaLittleBit> yes but openttd can 18:21:25 <HackaLittleBit> but what I meant with "cetificate" is that when you allow "certain crucial interaction" some kind of meganisme should be in place to allow or not 18:22:00 <HackaLittleBit> openttd or ttdp would be able to detect 18:22:10 <HackaLittleBit> newGRF 18:23:34 <planetmaker> that doesn't parse. 18:23:55 <planetmaker> But allowing access to the type of base set used is THE nice source for desyncs you can think of 18:24:30 <Yexo> if newgrfs use it correctly (only switch between two sets of graphics) then it isn't a problem 18:24:36 <Yexo> the problem is that openttd can't detect how a newgrf uses it 18:24:46 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.5.142] has quit [] 18:24:51 <Yexo> so disallowing is the only way to ensure it isn't used in a wrong way 18:26:26 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe there's a way for a static addon grf, that replaces the sprites that are accessed 18:26:52 <Eddi|zuHause> like an action A for sprites provided by another grf 18:27:59 <Eddi|zuHause> that will get ignored if the sprite in the other grf is not a real sprite 18:30:43 <planetmaker> But then: static ones don't really need that: Make a version for each base set. Most people then will only need one 18:31:03 <planetmaker> Or make one version with a parameter which decides. Then it doesn't need detection either. 18:32:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean make a fancygrf-generic.grf that contains all the game logic, and make a fancygrf-dos.grf fancygrf-win.grf fancygrf-open.grf that contain graphics only 18:33:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the -dos -win and -open grfs can then be loaded statically in case your base set differs from the server's base set 18:33:42 <HackaLittleBit> makes sense to me eddy 18:35:37 <Rubidium> oh joy... the forum is again doing a good job making screenshots "smaller"... 140 KiB 1022x500px screenshot to a mere 800x391px of 'only' 800 KiB 18:35:41 <Yexo> only problem is that >90% of the users will have no idea how to install a static grf 18:35:44 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:36:28 * Zuu finds a bug in OpenTTDAutoUpdate in the last version that was released long time ago :-) 18:36:36 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: yes, that needs a GUI... 18:36:55 <HackaLittleBit> :) 18:37:03 <Zuu> It's a quite harmless bug, but just a bit annoying. 18:37:07 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:38:01 <SpComb^> port apt over to windows and push .debs of the nightlies :( 18:42:09 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19317 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files): 18:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 15 changes by UnderwaterHesus 18:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: estonian - 58 changes by irve 18:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: indonesian - 1 changes by fanioz 18:45:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 3 changes by Tucalipe 18:58:36 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:58:51 <HackaLittleBit> thanks, I have to go bye 18:59:14 *** HackaLittleBit [~Hans@87.196.78.142] has quit [Quit: Arividerchi] 19:00:15 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:00:42 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:02:27 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:05 <planetmaker> what would be a good name for a file which contains the expected md5sums of the files built by that very source tar ball? 19:07:35 <planetmaker> md5sums.ref? 19:08:18 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:47 <planetmaker> s/built by/built from/ 19:10:40 <Eddi|zuHause> file.md5? 19:11:04 <planetmaker> yes, if I wanted for *each* one file 19:11:31 <planetmaker> but it'd be IMO more sensible to have all md5sums in one :-) 19:11:42 <planetmaker> at least for this case. Otherwise I totally agree 19:12:04 <planetmaker> actually I want to provide the list of expected md5sums for the OpenGFX grfs. 19:12:34 <Eddi|zuHause> then call it package.md5? 19:12:36 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 19:12:48 <planetmaker> hm, good idea 19:12:54 <Ammler> planetmaker: create it like I do for nightlies 19:13:11 <Ammler> then I can use it there too :-) 19:13:20 <planetmaker> Ammler: the nightlies have file.md5 19:13:34 *** Polygon [~Poly@n15-60.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #openttd 19:13:47 <Ammler> rather name-version.md5 19:14:08 <planetmaker> uhm... :-) Different problem, Ammler :-) 19:14:22 <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/opengfx-nightly-r308.md5 19:14:32 <planetmaker> As additional info / part of a source release 19:14:38 <Zuu> Intresting two bugs related to the default install directory in OpenTTDAutoUpdate 2.0.1 :-) 19:14:42 <Alberth> that'd be the md5 sum of the md5 sums file :) 19:14:46 <planetmaker> Not as additional info for a file 19:15:09 <planetmaker> Alberth: exactly ;-) 19:15:45 <Ammler> planetmaker: it wouldn't hurt, if we could us it also for other things 19:16:00 <planetmaker> Ammler: I don't (or didn't think) of generating that md5 file. But I could introduce such target, too 19:16:07 <Ammler> oh, you like to make only one md5 over all? 19:16:13 <planetmaker> But OpenGFX needs in that respect something special 19:16:19 <planetmaker> No, neither. 19:16:38 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/771 19:17:12 <Ammler> yeah, that is exactly the file I do with nightlies 19:17:28 <planetmaker> ...? 19:17:28 <Ammler> - md5 of the zip 19:17:43 <planetmaker> but... that's not what is required 19:18:10 <planetmaker> I want to provide means for a person only haveing opengfx-0.3.0-source.tar.gz to check whether the grf s/he built are the same as I built 19:18:39 <Ammler> yes, and what is the file I pasted? 19:19:02 <planetmaker> that's the md5sum of the overall bundle_zip 19:19:15 <Ammler> please open it :-) 19:19:25 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 19:19:27 <planetmaker> no, it isn't :-P Sorry 19:19:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19318 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3661](r19198): crash when building an airport at a station where a plane was headed 19:20:07 <planetmaker> where does that file come from? 19:20:23 <planetmaker> simple md5sum *.grf > file 19:20:25 <planetmaker> I assume 19:20:28 <Ammler> yep 19:21:10 <Zuu> Yexo: Sounds like an intresting bug. Guess if you remove an airport and then build a new one quick enough, you can have planes that head towards that station. 19:21:13 <Eddi|zuHause> you can then do md5sum --check file 19:21:26 <Yexo> Zuu: yes :) 19:21:39 <Ammler> md5sum *.grf src/*.cat *.zip > ../$FILENAME.md5 2>/dev/null 19:21:48 <Yexo> you don't even have to rebuild the new one "quickly", as the planes will head for a while to the station sign after the airport is gone 19:22:21 <planetmaker> Ammler: yes, I guess I can / will add such target for source releases. Package.md5 sounds fine for me as name. Any other proposals? 19:22:34 <Ammler> name-version.md5 19:22:41 <Ammler> :-) 19:23:15 <planetmaker> hm, but you know that already :-) And you'd have to add that check to your rpms ;-) 19:23:22 <planetmaker> want a fixed name or a variable one? ;-) 19:23:58 <Ammler> yes, but we would also offer that file with download 19:24:04 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@241.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 19:24:21 <planetmaker> yes, and? 19:24:24 <Ammler> hmm, -zip 19:24:50 <Ammler> well, do it, we will see :-) 19:24:53 <planetmaker> ah... you want the same name used? What about zip? 19:26:09 <Ammler> I guess, the md5sum of the zip isn't required 19:26:53 <Ammler> and you don't need it in the source bundle 19:26:57 <planetmaker> well, not IN the repo. But of course at the download site 19:27:21 <planetmaker> just *.grf or *.cat 19:27:35 <Ammler> yes 19:27:54 <planetmaker> And *.mid ;-) 19:28:22 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 19:28:56 <Ammler> is it a bug, that the cat file of opensfx is in src/? 19:29:14 <Rubidium> probably 19:29:47 <Rubidium> I hope that when pm's done with opengfx's makefile he syncs it to opensfx. Then that problem should be gone. 19:29:59 <Ammler> :-) 19:30:42 <planetmaker> Rubidium: yes, it's planned. But first I want to get rid of all the tiny bugs which crept during the re-write 19:31:11 <Rubidium> that's what I meant with "when pm's done" :) 19:31:23 <planetmaker> OpenSFX with it's slightly different structure / tasks doesn't make it 100% straight forward :-) But I didn't try as of now 19:31:36 <planetmaker> Though it's intended to work with as little as possible mods 19:31:42 <planetmaker> Same for OpenMSX 19:32:14 <planetmaker> and I see that I have at least two weeks ;-) 19:32:23 <Ammler> only 19:32:42 <planetmaker> though the 2nd of those two weeks I'll be most probably 100% offline 19:32:49 <Ammler> we have to hurry then with opengfx 0.3 :-) 19:33:18 <planetmaker> Ammler: I count on you to deal with all houses :-) 19:34:18 <Ammler> well, if I keep the speed, I need one week per house :-P 19:34:26 <planetmaker> :-P 19:35:03 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:35:07 <planetmaker> Though I'm not sure that the next release warrants to be called 0.3 given the amount of changes. 19:35:34 <planetmaker> It rather smells like 0.2.2 - but I'd have to check in detail the changelog 19:35:44 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:24 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 19:37:04 <Ammler> but the fixes for 0.2.2 should be doable... 19:37:14 <planetmaker> mostly, yes 19:48:14 <SpComb^> when is OpenGFX going to hit 1.0? 19:48:26 <Eddi|zuHause> when it is done. 19:48:35 <Rubidium> when it's ready to hit 1.0? 19:48:49 <SpComb^> isn't it done enough yet? 19:48:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the track graphics (normal and maglev) look very ugly 19:49:09 <Eddi|zuHause> there is definitely room for improvement 19:50:16 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ptr_] 19:51:34 *** Starn [~chatzilla@ppp-70-248-214-175.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 19:51:37 <planetmaker> Yes, there's room for improvement. In quite some places. Some easy visible ones, but also a lot of not easily visible ones 19:52:28 <planetmaker> Like *someone* has to kinda re-arrange the bubble generator. Currently as-is the building stages are a pain assault on the eye 19:58:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:01:56 <Ammler> we really should play more toyland 20:05:36 <Rubidium> then the next openttdcoop maps shall be toyland maps! 20:05:46 <KenjiE20> yes! :P 20:05:57 <planetmaker> yes :-) 20:06:08 <frosch123> if you encounter glitches with the toyfactory and sugar mine animations just beat me :s 20:06:39 <planetmaker> oh ho... :-) tests are needed there, too :-) 20:07:22 <planetmaker> frosch123: we'd get a stork ;-) 20:07:25 <frosch123> anyway. is it accepable to ditch the .png if there is an equivalent .pcx in the repo 20:07:39 <frosch123> +? 20:07:48 <planetmaker> frosch123: I'd say yes. It's duplicate information 20:08:17 <planetmaker> And actually doing so avoids double work in case the pcx differs *slightly* 20:08:38 <planetmaker> e.g. same mistake re-introduced by changing the png, trying to correct something else 20:08:42 <Eddi|zuHause> why did nobody ever introduce png support to grfcodec? 20:08:43 <planetmaker> been there, seen that :S 20:08:54 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: *that* indeed would be awesome 20:08:59 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:20 <Ammler> need some convert options :-) 20:09:47 <Rubidium> now someone with the nick 'nobody' really needs to implement png support for grfcodec 20:10:06 <Ammler> yes, because someone is banned :-P 20:10:13 <planetmaker> Yes. Somebody has already too many other pending jobs. Nobody has not so many. 20:10:59 <frosch123> at least everybody can talk about it 20:13:02 *** aber1 [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 20:13:04 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 20:16:41 <fjb> How far does "nearest depot" look ahead to find the depot? 20:17:14 <Rubidium> as far as it does for manually finding a depot 20:17:42 <fjb> Hm, how far was that? 20:17:53 <frosch123> the automatic servicing does a penalty of 16 tiles. the forced nearest depot orders have no limit, though they cannot handle train reversing 20:18:06 <frosch123> hmm, or was 16 limit increased? 20:18:24 <Rubidium> frosch123: it's configurable now, in pathfinder penalty tiles 20:18:40 <frosch123> ah, right :) 20:18:53 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:57 <fjb> The order did not find the depot ehead of the train. I have to investigate that. 20:19:09 <Eddi|zuHause> it's configurable and the default was increased to 20ish... 20:19:29 <Eddi|zuHause> not tiles, but added pathfinder penalties 20:19:42 <Eddi|zuHause> so signals, crossings and the likes disturb the distance 20:21:13 <fjb> It was an order anyway. Or does the order have that penalty too? 20:22:01 <frosch123> no, it decides for a specific depot when the order is activated. then you can ctrl+click the start/stop bar to see whichh 20:22:20 <frosch123> (assuming an reasonable recent version) 20:22:34 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: when the path is already reserved beyond the depot, it will not find the depot 20:23:15 <fjb> I know. The decision is made at a waypoint near the depot. 20:24:36 <fjb> Recent version. I didn't know about the new ctr-click on the start/stop bar. 20:25:01 <Eddi|zuHause> that is new ;) 20:25:28 <planetmaker> aaahhh... 20:25:29 <Eddi|zuHause> ctrl is called "hiden feature" for a reason 20:25:31 * planetmaker must resist 20:25:46 <planetmaker> Somehow "frosch" inspires me currently to all kind of bad word plays 20:26:15 <Rubidium> maybe we should rename "hidden feature" to "easter egg" 20:26:43 <frosch123> easter eggs are not supposed to be found by grep 'Ctrl+' english.txt 20:27:57 * Alberth proposes s/Ctrl/EasterKey/ 20:28:32 <Ammler> everytime an other one 20:28:43 <Alberth> including the any key :) 20:29:11 <fjb> I thought I knew the useful ctr-clicks. That one is really useful. And I guess my problem is solved. It didn't need inspection but the go to depot rule included "for inspection". 20:32:59 <fjb> That stupid oil well closed soon after I started servicing it. :-( 20:33:49 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:49 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest367 20:33:49 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 20:34:24 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/225151 <-- Rubidium, Ammler. Output as desired? 20:37:08 <planetmaker> tar tfz opengfx-nightly-r308M-source.tar.gz | grep 'md5' 20:37:09 <planetmaker> opengfx-nightly-r308M-source/opengfx-nightly.md5 20:37:11 <planetmaker> ^^ also 20:38:05 <fjb> Hm, strange the train thinks the depot at the station where it started is the nearest, not the one ahead. 20:40:29 *** Guest367 [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:24 <Alberth> planetmaker: tar tzf 'f' takes a parameter, in your case 'z' 20:41:29 <Rubidium> planetmaker: looks okay, although I'm not quite sure about the opengfx.obg line (\n vs \r\n vs \r) 20:43:04 <planetmaker> hm... I didn't look at the line endings there. But the md5sum of that is not that important - but should be the same anyway 20:43:14 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:18 <planetmaker> should in the sense I don't expect differences 20:43:28 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:43:29 <planetmaker> Alberth: hu? 20:44:12 <Alberth> that works? maybe tar got smarter then 20:44:44 <planetmaker> Alberth: yes, it was copy&paste ;-) 20:45:35 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:45:54 <Nite_Owl> so planetmaker do you often feed dairy products to your removable media drives ?? 20:45:57 <planetmaker> meanwhile it can even deal with filenames > 255 chars extending over two different archive parts ;-) 20:45:58 <fjb> Copying parts of the orders list would be great. Especially copying it to another vehicle. 20:46:24 <planetmaker> Nite_Owl: :-D I use them as cup holders 20:47:16 <planetmaker> when writing that I though of 3.5" floppy disk drives as "Scheiblettenlaufwerk" - those square cheese things you can buy pre-packed (but which don't taste well) 20:48:35 <Nite_Owl> struck me as very funny in any case 20:50:12 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 20:50:34 <Eddi|zuHause> wtf are you talking about? 20:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: you can only copy all of it 20:51:57 <Prof_Frink> Plastic cheese! 20:52:13 <Nite_Owl> a very funny line planetmaker wrote on the forums - unless you are referencing something else 20:52:14 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:22 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: That is why I said the copying parts of it would be great. 20:52:40 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 20:52:42 <planetmaker> Nite_Owl: unfortunately I don't find the corresponding Uli Stein cartoon online... 20:53:23 <dih> uh - which one? 20:54:29 <aber1> http://bilder.tauschticket.de/bilder/artikel/0409/xxl/8162303_xxl.jpg 20:54:41 <planetmaker> ^ that one 20:54:46 <planetmaker> thanks aber1 20:54:52 *** aber1 is now known as aber 20:55:10 <Eddi|zuHause> great aber, now you have the wrong colour 20:55:57 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: apparently, i'm not enough into cheese to get the joke... 20:57:03 <Nite_Owl> I guess you have to had read the posting 20:57:14 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=47491 <-- my last reply there I referenced that cartoon kind of 21:04:11 <dih> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=47487 <- interesting - i seem to have mixed feelings about that :-P 21:04:39 <Eddi|zuHause> there was some commercial a while ago where someone put a slice of salami into their cd drive... something about "make room in your fridge"... dunno what was actually advertised 21:05:02 <dih> adverts for herta or whatever that brand was 21:05:10 <dih> fresh torilini or something like that 21:06:08 <Eddi|zuHause> might be... really not interested ;) 21:07:41 <planetmaker> :-) 21:09:57 <Eddi|zuHause> "It's a book about a Spanish guy called Manual. You should read it." 21:10:37 <dih> L0L 21:13:17 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: or the Chinese guy Lied Mi? 21:14:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you obviously never had a "lesenmir.txt" :p 21:14:47 <planetmaker> :-P 21:16:39 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: no, though liesmich.txt I've encountered 21:16:42 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:17:10 <planetmaker> Rubidium: that's fine 21:19:27 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 21:19:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 21:21:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19319 /trunk/src/ (10 files): -Codechange: EnsureNoVehicleOnGround() returns a CommandCost. 21:21:52 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-249-24.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:22:28 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i don't remember which program had that... 21:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't find it in any of my old backups... 21:23:05 <andythenorth> hi hi 21:23:12 <PeterT> hi andythenorth 21:23:52 <Nite_Owl> Hello andythenorth 21:29:26 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 21:34:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19320 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r19291): Forgot to set error message. 21:36:33 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:44:51 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8809.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:49:17 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:49:17 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:34 <Belugas> y0uhou! time to run home! 21:53:37 <Belugas> night all 21:53:47 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas 21:57:50 <Eddi|zuHause> is it summer time or did belugas just run home 7 minutes early? 22:01:14 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 22:01:18 <planetmaker> night Belugas 22:01:36 <planetmaker> it's winter time. Again 5cm snow.... 22:03:33 <Eddi|zuHause> not here... it snowed yesterday like 1cm but today it thawed almost instantly 22:03:59 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 22:04:02 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: I'm West of you. It will reach you ;-) 22:04:38 <Eddi|zuHause> you know... i'm in the rain shadow of the mountains... anything coming directly from the west will not reach me... 22:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> and i thought you were south of me? 22:05:10 <planetmaker> Most certainly not :-) 22:05:11 <Eddi|zuHause> or do you move around that much? 22:05:20 <planetmaker> Not really... :-) 22:05:36 <planetmaker> I might have lived South of you. For a few years :-) 22:05:55 <planetmaker> But Lower Saxony is NW of Halle 22:07:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i know where lower saxony is, yes... but i somehow placed you near munich... am i mixing something up or did you move in the last two years? 22:08:27 <planetmaker> I never lived in Bavaria :-) 22:08:42 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... 22:08:51 <planetmaker> I had been living in Jena, though 22:08:53 <Eddi|zuHause> then where did i get that thought from? 22:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that i know. 22:09:27 <planetmaker> dunno where you got the conception that I live in Munich. I'm not Celestar ;-) 22:09:27 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@175.162.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:55 <planetmaker> @seen Celestar 22:09:55 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Celestar was last seen in #openttd 6 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 49 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <Celestar> work cals 22:10:11 <Eddi|zuHause> you are certainly not 22:10:21 <OwenS> :-S. Django's inbuilt form validation is complaining that a field is empty... when it's not! 22:14:20 <Eddi|zuHause> send it to dailywtf! 22:15:08 <OwenS> Oh duh 22:15:18 <OwenS> I forgot the default error reporting displays the error above the widget that has the error 22:30:29 <fjb> Hm, my well served FIRS power stations are closing. 22:30:58 <frosch123> oh, i just wanted to say "it is not snowing in bavaria", but looking out of the window told me different :p 22:31:22 <fjb> Snowing in the Harz mountains too. 22:33:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:16 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:59 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:41:13 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:46:28 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it started snowing here... 22:46:57 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't actually see snow flakes falling, but you see the street getting covered 22:48:31 <peter1138> try tilting backwards 22:49:30 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19321 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Codechange [FS#3630]: unify the rail station widget descriptions (sbr) 22:55:39 <Eddi|zuHause> now the flakes are getting bigger 22:56:32 <planetmaker> :-) 22:58:00 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:03:45 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:08:39 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 23:12:37 * OwenS <3 jQueryUI. It makes nice forms (which degrade nicely as well!) so easy 23:14:39 *** _newage_ [~victor@15.Red-79-159-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 23:15:18 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:16:02 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-100-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:43 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 23:18:12 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-12-88.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:18:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:18:45 *** _newage_ [~victor@15.Red-79-159-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #openttd [] 23:20:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19322 /trunk/src/ (airport.h saveload/afterload.cpp): -Codechange: change the id of the oilrig airport from 15 to 9 23:21:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19323 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf_airport.cpp newgrf_airport.h): -Codechange: copy the AirportSpec original array to an internal array in AirportSpec 23:21:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19324 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_airport.cpp newgrf_airport.h): -Codechange: introduce AirportSpec::GetWithoutOverride to get a non-const pointer to a given airportspec 23:21:46 <PeterT> Yexo commit spree! 23:21:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19325 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: introduce airport classes and split the default airports in 4 classes 23:21:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19326 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: store the airport name as property in AirportSpec 23:21:57 <PeterT> he is unstoppable 23:22:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19327 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: make the oilrig a part of the original airports array so some special cases can be removed 23:22:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19328 /trunk/src/ (airport_gui.cpp lang/english.txt newgrf_airport.h): -Feature: a more extendable gui for building airports 23:22:12 <peter1138> U U U U ULTRA MEGA MONSTER KILL 23:22:30 <peter1138> does anyone still play UT? hehe 23:22:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19329 /trunk/src/lang/ (46 files): -Codechange: language updates for the previous commits 23:23:05 <Yexo> and done for today 23:23:37 <Ammler> now backport :-P 23:25:31 <Eddi|zuHause> "miau" it says... 23:26:47 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 83-14 23:26:47 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 69 23:27:46 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaace4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:30:15 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:50 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-79-136-5-149.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 23:33:04 <SpComb^> what's this extendable GUI, eh 23:35:06 <Ammler> is it like the station_gui patch? 23:35:38 <PeterT> Which station_gui patch? 23:35:46 <PeterT> newgrf gui, or fonso's gui patch? 23:36:34 <Ammler> this: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/566/station_gui.png 23:36:37 <Yexo> it's nothing fancy, jsut a dropdown to select the airport class and a list of airports in that class udner taht 23:37:01 <Yexo> Ammler: only the top left of that (dropdown + list, and the coverage area buttons) 23:37:22 <Ammler> so like the trunk station gui :-) 23:37:32 <Yexo> yes 23:37:41 <Yexo> support for a preview image is planned though 23:37:46 <Ammler> :-) 23:38:06 <PeterT> Ammler: yes, that would be the newgrf gui 23:39:30 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/airport-gui.png 23:39:44 <PeterT> Meh, it looks different 23:39:50 <PeterT> Could you make that configurable? 23:40:02 <Ammler> why, that is fine :-P 23:40:09 <Yexo> make what configurable? 23:40:22 <PeterT> Never mind 23:40:42 <Ammler> (just read back what is planned ;-) 23:41:11 <peter1138> heh, only 4 UT servers online now 23:41:22 <peter1138> last time i played there were thousands 23:41:24 *** Polygon [~Poly@n15-60.dsl.vianetworks.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:42:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff55c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:48 <Ammler> Yexo: the airport branch did have rotation, was that buggy? 23:43:00 <Yexo> no 23:43:14 <Zuu> PeterT: Or try the NewGRF Airports branch to get an idea about what might happen. 23:43:20 <Yexo> that's still planned, see property 0A 23:43:41 <Yexo> it's "not implemented" as in not in my current patch queue, it is implemented in the airports branch 23:43:43 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:43:50 <PeterT> Zuu: To see what might happen to what? 23:43:52 <Yexo> but it'll be a lot of work to sync that branch now 23:44:12 <Zuu> PeterT: trunk 23:44:33 <PeterT> Alright 23:44:46 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the biggest trouble with half-merged patches 23:45:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that was the final nail in the coffin for the ITiM patch... 23:45:22 <Yexo> main problem in this case is that I didn't merge half of it, i committed a rewrite of half of the branch 23:45:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the other nails are all GUI related :p 23:46:24 <Zuu> So now you 'only' need to rewrite the second half :-) 23:47:02 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Wintersoldier] 23:47:02 <Yexo> yes :) 23:47:20 <Zuu> Sounds fun :-) 23:48:40 <Eddi|zuHause> ... so you didn't commit the rewrite to the branch first? 23:48:50 <Yexo> no 23:49:07 <Zuu> And when you get bored there is always patches at FS to play with. ;-) 23:49:12 <Eddi|zuHause> so the branch is "dead", and all further developments will be directly in trunk? 23:49:51 <Yexo> depends, if I find a need for a branch again I'll either sync it or branch a new one 23:51:13 <Yexo> main problem wiht working in a branch is that if you want to commit it to trunk you either have to do it in one big commit or do a lot of work splitting it up in smaller patches 23:52:15 <Eddi|zuHause> so the branch was only for "playing around" [prototype], and now you do the real thing as a series of trunk commits 23:52:52 <Yexo> well, first as a mercurial queue, then when a part of it is done I commit that part to trunk 23:54:25 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/airports/ there you can find my current patch queue for newgrf airports, it's bound to change from time to time 23:56:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B574.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:57:37 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9651.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... 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