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has joined #openttd 07:33:39 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.213] has joined #openttd 07:33:51 <Terkhen> good morning 07:39:26 <planetmaker> good morning 07:45:52 <roboboy> gmorning 07:47:21 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has joined #openttd 07:47:49 *** Blueblaze [~nick@adsl-99-158-47-180.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 07:50:53 <DDR> Hello, I'm trying to start a mp server/game, but I'm having difficulty. The game does not seem to show up in the global server list, and I can't see my friend's game either. I can join existing games, however. I've checked the wiki, I seem to be doing things by the book. Does anyone have any tips? I'm using 0.7.5. 07:53:03 <dih> DDR: search wiki.openttd.org and tt-forums.net 07:53:13 <planetmaker> @ports 07:53:13 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 07:53:30 <planetmaker> ^ Make sure those ports are forwarded by your Router and your local firewall 07:53:34 <dih> or that, hello planetmaker 07:53:35 <DDR> Wait, Blueblaze found something that said something about errors when connecting to computers on multi-computer networks. 07:53:44 <planetmaker> hello dih :-) How are you, sir? 07:53:47 <DDR> Thanks. 07:53:52 <dih> doing alright :-) 07:54:07 <planetmaker> good to hear :-) 07:54:07 <dih> my saxophone mic came yesterday, and i tried a new mouthpiece - uhhh :-) 07:54:15 <dih> how about you? 07:54:30 <planetmaker> oh, you started to play sax? Awesome! 07:55:01 <planetmaker> oh, I'm fine, too. I just start to have fun with my camera in emergent spring. Winter pictures start to get boring ;-) 07:55:32 <dih> erm. - i play the sax for like 18.5 years now :-P 07:55:35 <dih> but yeah :-D 07:55:50 <dih> hihi - what kind of camera is it? 07:56:10 <planetmaker> oh :-P 07:56:18 <planetmaker> I didn't know you played it already ;-) 07:56:31 <planetmaker> Ah, a not too new canon, 30D 07:56:36 <dih> i started when i was 9 07:57:13 <dih> not so new? but it does enough tricks ;-) 07:57:23 <dih> or would you rather have a newer one? 07:57:24 <planetmaker> of course ;-) 07:57:36 <planetmaker> well, no, I'd rather have more lenses :-P 07:58:05 <planetmaker> Especially a fast tele zoom 07:58:05 <dih> :-P 07:58:16 <planetmaker> But those are as expensive as a cheap car :-P 07:58:23 <dih> how about some filters also :-P 07:58:49 <planetmaker> yes and no. I got a nice assortement 2nd hand some time ago. I got sufficient ;-) 07:59:04 <dih> uh :-) 07:59:18 <dih> assortment sounds like it really is a few more ;-) 07:59:35 <planetmaker> depending how you count 4 ... 8 08:00:00 <planetmaker> (thead) size matters :-P 08:00:34 *** Blueblaze [~nick@adsl-99-158-47-180.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:57 <planetmaker> most important filters, though, are the skylight one (default as lens protection) and most often used, the polarizer. 08:02:15 <planetmaker> Most other filters can be replaced by post-processing ;-) 08:02:29 <planetmaker> A tilt-shift adapter would be nice, though 08:10:35 <peter1138> colour filters are more useful for b&w photography 08:17:38 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-229.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 08:17:49 <planetmaker> exactly 08:17:50 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-229.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [] 08:18:12 <planetmaker> but then that's something which you easily do on the computer nowadays. 08:18:44 <planetmaker> Doesn't mean it doesn't look nice for certain photos, not at all :-) 08:19:02 <planetmaker> Especially portraits or so can gain a lot 08:23:27 <peter1138> well if you capture in b&w you've lost the information to do so 08:23:48 <peter1138> but i guess everything's done with digital and colour these days :s 08:24:51 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:25:28 <planetmaker> Well... most, I'd guess. I haven't touched admittedly my chemical photolab below the roof for quite some time 08:26:02 <planetmaker> though resolution of slow speed film is still unmatched 08:26:30 <planetmaker> and the contrast ratio also... 08:27:30 * roboboy waits for OpenTTD to load 08:28:34 <dih> i prefer if stuff is done with filters and technik instead of computer processing 08:29:09 <dih> it makes it more of an art if someone can take a picture a certain way rather than clicking here and there in a raw image format editor 08:29:56 <planetmaker> yes and no. The most important thing is still IMO to get the right frame 08:30:25 <roboboy> yeah 08:30:54 <roboboy> and now there is the art of learning shutter lagg in certain situations 08:32:46 <planetmaker> basically it's different tools; everything you can do with photoshop you could do chemically when developing a film and exposing it to the paper 08:32:58 <planetmaker> roboboy: then you got a bad camera 08:34:08 <planetmaker> early pocket cameras were notorious for that 08:34:17 <planetmaker> but good ones do it within milliseconds 08:36:25 <dih> or it's a camara that cost like 50 eur instead of 500 - and even that is a low price :-P 08:39:58 *** Jobsoft [joost@veyron.bosch-media.nl] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 08:42:22 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:42:43 * peter1138 can't afford a DSLR :s 08:42:51 <peter1138> otoh, i hardly used my SLRs much 08:43:08 <peter1138> though perhaps that's because the film and processng cost so much 08:43:21 <peter1138> > work 08:47:44 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-195-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:08 <planetmaker> well, they do. But if you put the same effort / have the same standard for DSLR, you spend as much time in digital post-processing 08:50:18 <planetmaker> So time is hardly an argument, just cost ;-) 08:54:42 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:49 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.18.38] has joined #openttd 09:02:13 *** Fanioz [~Fanioz@202.93.37.94] has joined #openttd 09:02:46 *** Fanioz [~Fanioz@202.93.37.94] has quit [] 09:06:49 *** mecool [mecool@94.128.79.173] has joined #openttd 10:00:02 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-147-226-93.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:02:50 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:05:54 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:37 *** OwenS`Phone [~mirggi@82.132.139.179] has joined #openttd 10:24:23 <DDR> Darn it, the process where an industry produces less and less, and then finally closes it's doors, is so sad... our beef supplier did exactly this. It was good beef. Seeing stuff go under makes me sad. 10:25:45 <SmatZ> :( 10:31:19 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:49:54 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.213] has quit [Quit: ...] 10:50:17 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:50:56 *** lennard [lennard@lennardk2.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:50:57 *** lennard [lennard@lennardk2.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 10:51:03 <lennard> eep! whut happen! 10:51:19 <Forked> the server closed your connection 10:51:37 <lennard> I know, but why :( 10:51:55 <Rubidium> maintainance? 10:55:39 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2aw175.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:04 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@80.247.163.107] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:56:07 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@80.247.163.107] has joined #openttd 10:57:13 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:05 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:56 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2aw175.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:13:49 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa65d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:19:14 <Ammler> lennard: bandwith is needed for the openttd downloads ;-) 11:19:38 <lennard> lies! :P 11:21:50 <roboboy> do I need to have a music set installed for openttd to run? 11:22:13 <PeterT> No 11:22:20 <PeterT> NoMusic is installed by default 11:22:35 * SpComb^ wonders why the code can't be patched to handle the lack of a music set itself 11:24:19 <Ammler> doesn't it? 11:24:32 <Ammler> it should automatically chose "nomusic" 11:26:01 <Ammler> you lucky, you don't need to download nomusic separately 11:28:39 * roboboy broke his install of OpenTTD DOS 11:29:47 <roboboy> and its hard to debug because all the errors OpenTTD prints to the sreen wizz by and then get cleared also DOS is too dumb to redirect stderr to a text file 11:31:29 <Wizzleby> roboboy: can you pipe to 'more'? 11:31:38 <roboboy> nope 11:31:38 <Wizzleby> I seem to recall that working on certain versions of DOS 11:31:43 <Wizzleby> crap :( 11:32:23 <roboboy> I think pipeing to more only works for stdout 11:33:20 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-229.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 11:36:03 * roboboy reinstalls OpenTTD 11:37:03 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 11:47:24 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:48:16 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 11:49:54 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:49:56 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 11:49:58 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:50:45 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 12:03:32 * roboboy hopes openttd will eventually run 12:05:41 <__ln__> what would we do if it ran away 12:06:21 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:13 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 12:12:17 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:07 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@89.104.166.236] has joined #openttd 12:20:13 <dih> roboboy: <something> 2>&1 | more 12:20:23 * TrueBrain hugs dih 12:20:25 <dih> and if that failes (<something> 2>&1) | more 12:20:32 <dih> hello TrueBrain :-) 12:20:38 <dih> how are you sir? 12:20:49 <TrueBrain> very well; you? 12:20:56 <dih> good :-) 12:20:59 <dih> great actually :-) 12:22:28 <roboboy> does the opengfx obg need to be in the root of the data folder? 12:23:57 *** DanMacK [~here@bas8-london14-1242504679.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 12:24:59 <planetmaker> I don't think so, roboboy 12:25:12 <planetmaker> you could as well put it into a subdir, e.g. opengfx 12:25:40 <planetmaker> and you could keep the whole thing in a tar - but then you probably play with your DOS version and renamed files ;-) 12:26:05 <TrueBrain> pfff, port picks AGAIN the most slow mirror available :( 12:26:07 <planetmaker> hello DanMacK :-) Nice engine you drew for Toyland :-) 12:29:33 <roboboy> yeah when I downloaded OPNGFX from the devzone, it didn't come in a tar 12:29:50 <planetmaker> the zip is without, i guess, yes 12:30:08 <planetmaker> so that users have access to the do-not-readme ;-) 12:30:27 <roboboy> so OpenTTD doesnt see opengfx on DOS 12:30:29 <planetmaker> which reminds me: I wanted to zip the tar and just add the doc (again) for the zips 12:30:43 <planetmaker> uh... how is that a consequence? 12:31:07 <roboboy> its not 12:31:27 * roboboy goes and fidles with his opengfx.obg 12:31:42 <DanMacK> Thanks :D 12:31:48 <fjb> Does 1.0 come with OpenGFX out of the box? 12:32:03 <planetmaker> fjb, it's an option to install it right away 12:32:29 <Ammler> fjb: mainly because of opensfx ;-) 12:32:33 <planetmaker> my personal statistics show that 50% of OpenTTD users use it ;-) 12:32:37 <fjb> Good. 12:33:50 <Ammler> planetmaker: 50% of the FS users 12:34:22 <fjb> The only thing about OpenGFX I dislike is the missing crop in the fields. 12:34:57 <peter1138> no hay bales :( 12:35:03 <fjb> What I really like are the trees, houses and industries. 12:35:18 <planetmaker> fjb, if you're capable, please give me sprites 12:35:20 <Ammler> you like the "uk" houses? 12:35:28 <fjb> <peter1138> no hay bales :( <- Yeah. :-( 12:35:42 <fjb> Ammler: I like them. 12:36:03 <fjb> planetmaker: I failed to draw at several attempts. :-( 12:36:11 <planetmaker> :-( 12:36:29 <planetmaker> Personally I'd like to see them added, too 12:36:47 <planetmaker> They're not really high priority really, but on my personal wishlist they are. 12:37:49 <peter1138> lies 12:37:52 <peter1138> they're a show stopper 12:37:57 <fjb> The only thing I got dran was a small freight shed. But it doesn't look that good. 12:37:58 * DanMacK is bothered by one stupid thing re: the Tropic Wills 2-8-0 12:38:00 <peter1138> we can't release 1.0.0 without them! 12:38:05 <Ammler> maybe replacing the uk houses with more ttdish houses is more a personal wish then... 12:38:10 <DanMacK> It's a 2-8-2 :P 12:38:13 <peter1138> 1.0.0 would already've been released! 12:38:52 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@187.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 12:39:15 <TrueBrain> welcome Terkhen 12:39:38 <Terkhen> hello 12:42:34 <planetmaker> he @ peter1138 :-) 12:42:47 <planetmaker> DanMacK, change it! ;-) 12:47:11 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9A3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:21 <TrueBrain> and now curl doesn't want to load .... I hate port :( 12:48:13 <roboboy> nope my hacking didnt fix opengfx 12:48:19 <roboboy> under dos 12:54:09 <planetmaker> what did you change, roboboy ? 12:55:14 <roboboy> i tried changing all the filenames in the obg to eg ogfx_e~1.grf 12:55:54 <roboboy> thats how DOSLFN stores them 12:56:46 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:5526:5e89:660b:c112] has joined #openttd 12:56:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:57:12 <roboboy> I also changed the section for md5s to be reflect the filename changes 12:58:26 <roboboy> I might try renaming them all to fit the 8.3 limitation 12:59:04 <planetmaker> I'd just rename them to base.grf, extra.grf etc. 12:59:07 <planetmaker> that's short enough 12:59:21 <planetmaker> and adopt the section(s) in opengfx.obg 12:59:21 <roboboy> yeah 12:59:45 <roboboy> the TTDPAtch version seems to confuse openttd 13:00:00 <roboboy> I havent confirmed that though 13:01:38 * roboboy tries to confirm that 13:02:45 <planetmaker> what do you mean with 'confuse'? 13:03:10 <planetmaker> I haven't generated ever a TTDP version, thus I don't accurately know how it differs, though 13:03:28 <planetmaker> and there's no make ttdp so far ;-) 13:03:29 <roboboy> without renaming orig_win.obg it is listed in game and works except for two things. It uses the ttdpatch version of opengfx except for two of the letters on the title screen 13:03:41 <__ln__> planetmaker: your word order sounds ungrammatical. 13:03:57 <planetmaker> that may well be. 13:04:15 <roboboy> Ammler uploaded a version to TT-F with all the files renamed to their TTD file names so that it can be used in TTDP 13:05:14 <planetmaker> ah, yeah. That's bound to confuse openttd, if it has two ogb files which point to the same files but with different md5sums attached to them. 13:14:52 <roboboy> but I only had 1 obg refering to them as my opengfx.obg had been replaced and is now refering to the normal (DOSLFN) opengfx files 13:15:45 <Ammler> roboboy: I already did, what is the difference? 13:16:19 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=44560 13:16:28 <Ammler> ah, missread :-P 13:16:34 <Ammler> ignore me... 13:16:40 <roboboy> hehe 13:17:36 <Ammler> well, the md5sums should be the same 13:18:46 <Ammler> ah, planetmaker, you think because win_originals.obg has same files? 13:22:17 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:23:15 <fjb> Hm, is there a search engine which takes a picture to search for instead of key words? 13:23:57 <roboboy> yes, but I can not remember what it's called 13:25:57 <fjb> Too bad. That information would be really helpful. 13:25:58 <planetmaker> Ammler, yes, I think so 13:27:35 <Ammler> fjb: search for it? (http://www.tineye.com/) 13:27:50 <fjb> Ammler: Thank you. 13:35:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77488.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77488.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:35:33 *** fjb is now known as Guest216 13:35:34 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EEF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:07 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:42:10 *** Guest216 [~frank@p5485E33E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:10 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:13 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:49:30 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@187.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 13:50:12 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:52:14 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:52:14 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 13:52:37 <roboboy> well DOS wont let me rename the grf's so that will have to wait till thursday or friday 13:53:53 <planetmaker> how won't it let you rename a file? 13:54:00 <planetmaker> ren a.grf b.grf 13:54:26 <Noldo> I supose it's about the long names 13:54:46 <planetmaker> hm, might be, yeah 13:54:55 <roboboy> but if any part of the names are the same it seems to reject it 13:55:07 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@187.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55:10 <Ammler> roboboy: use the ttdp version and rename those 13:55:37 <Ammler> hmm, extra is still too long 13:56:00 <roboboy> eg if I rename ogfxe~1.grf to ogfxe.grf it says non existant file or duplicate file or something similar 13:56:04 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56:19 <planetmaker> hm, bad. 13:56:20 <Ammler> then go over tmp.grf 13:56:38 <roboboy> hm yeah 13:57:09 <Ammler> so you do also irc with dos? 13:57:15 <roboboy> no 13:57:28 <glx> Ammler: DOS is not multi task 13:57:43 <roboboy> havent worked out how to GET TCP/IP working under DOS 13:57:49 <Ammler> he, indeed :-) 13:57:57 <roboboy> ell excluding TSR's 13:58:12 <roboboy> *well 13:58:18 <Ammler> just wonder, how he can't rename on the system he uses irc. 13:58:29 <Ammler> why* 13:58:34 <glx> TSR are not really usable by user once loaded 13:59:05 <peter1138> roboboy, try renaming it to something else first 13:59:09 <roboboy> I could but I dont have the fils on it unzipped and i'm supposed to be going to bed soon 13:59:29 <planetmaker> :-) It's like 4am? 13:59:45 <roboboy> 1AM 13:59:49 <planetmaker> oh. 14:00:08 <planetmaker> 14h difference? 14:00:16 <roboboy> but still late 14:00:30 <Ammler> that is already "over" the end of the world ;-) 14:00:37 <planetmaker> hehe 14:00:49 <planetmaker> got to be careful to not fall off ;-) 14:01:05 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 14:01:11 <Ammler> maybe below the plate? 14:03:20 <planetmaker> hm, the other way round calculating backwards works ;-) +10 ;-) 14:03:27 <roboboy> maybe the black void at the edge? 14:03:37 <roboboy> yeah thats right 14:04:39 <roboboy> New Zealand are the only other major country in Wednesday 14:05:14 <roboboy> there are a few island countries like I think Fiji and Tonga in Wdnesday 14:07:05 <planetmaker> well, you, too ;-) 14:07:41 <roboboy> apart from Eastern Australia 14:07:43 <planetmaker> except if you consider Australia minor :-P 14:08:03 <planetmaker> "just another Southern Ocean island :-P" 14:08:25 <roboboy> but we are a BIG Southern Ocean Island 14:08:39 <planetmaker> hehe Kinda :-) 14:09:53 <roboboy> hehe if I lived on the border of NSW and NT or SA I could walk into yesterday now 14:11:23 <planetmaker> ;-) 14:11:48 <planetmaker> you wouldn't want that. You don't want to be that backward :-P 14:11:56 <roboboy> hehe 14:12:14 <planetmaker> a step into the future seems more promising, the other way around ;-) 14:12:30 <roboboy> even if I headed into QLD id be going backwards as they don't have Daylight Saving 14:12:48 <planetmaker> tough luck then, I guess 14:12:53 <roboboy> yep 14:13:04 <roboboy> id have to hop over the ditch to NZ 14:13:11 <planetmaker> ;-) 14:14:49 <roboboy> well DOS happily thinks im in 2010 14:15:42 <Ammler> maybe it is 1910 ;-) 14:20:32 * roboboy hopes oneday OpenTTD will support the DOS TTD music files 14:20:55 * roboboy posts that to the 2.0 thread 14:21:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa65d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:22:15 <roboboy> some stupid TT-F user will probably try and tell me they already work 14:22:44 * roboboy shall go to bed in 8 mins 14:26:21 <planetmaker> have a good sleep 14:27:00 <roboboy> thanx 14:28:09 <roboboy> 3 mins 14:30:18 <Belugas> morning/good afternoon 14:31:17 <roboboy> gmorning Belugas and gnight #openttd 14:38:08 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8236f5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:55:08 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has quit [Quit: EXACTLY] 14:56:03 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:58:45 *** _Terkhen_ [~Terkhen@187.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 15:01:44 *** _Terkhen_ [~Terkhen@187.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 15:04:05 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:05:42 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@187.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:08 <DanMacK> Remainder of the Toyland locos for OpenGFX is posted :D 15:18:26 <planetmaker> :-O 15:18:43 *** lobstah is now known as lobster 15:20:37 <planetmaker> nice work :-) 15:21:22 <planetmaker> I hope I'll get them in tomorrow evening 15:21:37 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@187.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 15:23:47 <DanMacK> Cool 15:24:00 <DanMacK> Possibly RV's next if I get inspored :P 15:24:30 <Jolteon> Anyone know the download link for IS2? 15:25:24 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa65d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:51 <Rubidium> somewhere on bundles.openttdcoop.org? 15:30:07 <planetmaker> ^ 15:30:15 <Jolteon> ah, thanks. 15:30:49 <planetmaker> That'd be awesome, DanMacK :-) 15:31:09 <planetmaker> Having really toy-ish sprites and vehicles there would add much to that 'climate' 15:31:19 <planetmaker> I mean... there are houses like a shoe, so... 15:34:18 <DanMacK> Exactly 15:35:25 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@187.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 15:36:08 <planetmaker> so, from my POV let your creativity run freely. No need to be close to anything ;-) 15:40:18 <jpm> does goods increase town grow rate? 15:40:38 *** Terkhen is now known as Guest236 15:40:38 *** |Terkhen| is now known as Terkhen 15:42:37 *** Guest236 [~Terkhen@187.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:07 *** Starn [~Starn@ppp-70-248-214-175.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 15:44:59 <planetmaker> jpm, no. Only the amount of stations matters 15:45:06 <planetmaker> serviced stations that is 15:45:42 <planetmaker> in arctic and tropic there exists water and food respectively which is required by towns in the desert / on snow respectively in order to make them grow at all 15:46:33 <jpm> hmm... ok 15:49:13 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF870B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:51:41 <jpm> so I have to make it happen... 15:54:23 <Starn> morning every one 15:56:54 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... station maintenance should be dependent on the size of the station rect 16:15:26 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:18:11 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 16:18:29 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [] 16:20:02 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8236f5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:32 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 16:28:55 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:42 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d670.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:32:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D496.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:33:40 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:35:15 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8236f5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:35:32 <jpm> now if goods delivered to town > 2*population => town grows rate doubles 16:35:50 <jpm> and if goods delivered to town > 4*population => town grows rate *= 4 16:37:01 *** jpm [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:37:49 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8236f5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 16:38:16 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8236f5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:47:53 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:55 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 16:50:43 <OwenS> 32.83 1.29 1.29 1 1.29 3.79 AS::ASI::Interpreter::interpret() <-- That leading my CPU time graph does not surprise me :p 16:53:09 <OwenS> 9% of CPU time spent doing VM stack pushes. not good. 16:56:41 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:56:52 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I guess bananas would act up, if OpenGFX supplied a 7th grf file which would be an optional newgrf extension, right? 17:03:44 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 17:05:29 <Starn> under windows how do i make nick.cer and nick.key into nick.pem? i know how to do this under linux.. lol but not windows... underlinux its % cat nick.cer nick.key > nick.pem 17:05:46 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:10:22 <aber> Starn: copy 17:10:27 *** sparr [~kvirc@adsl-190-191-93.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:41 <Starn> ? what do you mean copy? 17:10:49 <aber> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/copy.mspx 17:11:06 <blathijs> Starn: Or just open up the files in notepad and paste them after each other in a new file 17:11:25 <blathijs> Or perhaps wordpad, or a real texteditor to handle UNIX newlines 17:12:45 <Starn> you sure this will not hur tthe file as it is encrypted 17:13:26 <Starn> and this does not turn it into one file 17:13:39 <blathijs> PEM format is just letters and numbers, it is meant to withstand things like text editors and email transport :-) 17:14:02 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 17:14:04 <blathijs> Starn: If you past both files into a (single) new file, then you will have one file,right? 17:14:05 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [] 17:14:19 *** arik181 [arik181@firefly.cat.pdx.edu] has left #openttd [WeeChat 0.3.0] 17:14:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:14:51 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 17:17:42 <Starn> well it did not work 17:17:49 <Starn> it became and invalid pem file 17:19:57 *** Starn [~Starn@ppp-70-248-214-175.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:24 *** Starn [~Starn@ppp-70-248-214-175.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:31 <blathijs> Starn: According to whom? 17:24:02 <Starn> oftc was not accepting it. 17:24:03 <blathijs> Starn: Perhaps something screwed up the line endings. I'm not sure if they are relevant in PEM, though. 17:24:14 <Starn> windows added an extra line that was not there before 17:24:37 <blathijs> Starn: Are you sending your private key to OFTC? 17:24:49 <blathijs> Or do you mean your IRC client didn't accept it? 17:25:00 <Starn> i am useing SSL and CertFP 17:25:59 <Starn> oftc said it was invalid and needed to be a-z and 0-9 only and some thing about somthing else being invalid 17:26:19 <Starn> but after opening the file and removeing an line that was not in the key file nore the cer file it fixed it. 17:26:33 <blathijs> Funky 17:26:33 <Starn> <--- does not like how windows 7 added extra stuff 17:26:55 <Starn> indeed funky. 17:26:58 <blathijs> I'd say OFTC doesn't even get to see the contents of your pem file, only the result of your IRC client's interpretation 17:27:09 <Starn> ah 17:27:11 <blathijs> So it was probably your IRC client giving you the error messages, not OFTC itself 17:27:24 <Starn> well the message came from oftc... 17:27:32 <Starn> client did not state the error. 17:27:44 <Starn> though the error is more likely caused by the client 17:27:51 <blathijs> That rings cryptographic alarm bells for me :-p 17:28:00 <Starn> lol 17:28:07 <blathijs> anyway, time for other stuff :-) 17:28:24 <Starn> indeed like adding files to things using truecrypt ^^ 17:28:46 <Starn> gotta protect my girls photos and documents.. 17:29:40 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:34:35 *** DanMacK [~here@bas8-london14-1242504679.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 17:34:47 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:34:56 *** Timmaexx [~Germany@port-92-192-36-74.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:35:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f50e4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:42 *** sparr [~kvirc@adsl-190-191-93.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:36 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm35.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:38:26 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 17:38:30 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-229.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 17:43:39 *** tuinn [~t@ip9135153a.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:58:33 * OwenS wonders how 12.26% of my CPU time can be spent in st(unsigned), which just looks up an item in a vector... 17:59:19 *** Timmaexx [~Germany@port-92-192-36-74.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:03:05 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:03:06 <OwenS> Oh gah, I know why... my debug tracing doesn't fully disable itself in release mode >_< 18:06:43 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 18:09:54 *** Fern [~Fern@ppp85-141-208-76.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:10:27 <Fern> hello there! 18:10:45 <Fern> is there any1 tha could help me with installation of the game cause im confused 18:12:02 <Fern> anybody alive here? 18:12:09 <DJNekkid> sure :) 18:12:19 <DJNekkid> what is wrong? 18:12:29 <Fern> may i disturbe ur peace for a while? 18:12:34 <Fern> ye wait ill write 18:12:48 <DJNekkid> my best tips: 18:13:11 <DJNekkid> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-trunk 18:13:12 <Fern> so im trying to install open ttd and confused cause i had those original ttd files and trying to install tha openttd RC (latest version) 18:13:32 <Fern> so when i try to start the game it says that i have not a lot of graphic files 18:13:52 <DJNekkid> what OS do you use? 18:14:05 <Fern> vista 32bit 18:14:09 <Fern> home premium 18:14:49 <DJNekkid> make a new dir somewhere ... lets say on your desktop 18:15:01 <DJNekkid> then go to www.openttd.org 18:15:08 <Fern> done 18:15:20 *** AnnaBanz [~AnnaBanz@66.90.81.214] has joined #openttd 18:15:20 <AnnaBanz> http://imgnow.info/DSC-1268158520.jpg do my boobs look small? 18:15:22 *** AnnaBanz [~AnnaBanz@66.90.81.214] has left #openttd [] 18:15:43 <Fern> heh interesting ppl are spaming in here) 18:15:47 <OwenS> Gah! Gah! Gah! 13.17% of time in hashtable lookups, 5.97% in copying strings (< As the data is implcitly shared, WTF? This should just be a couple of instructions!)) 18:15:53 <KenjiE20> cool, it's multinetworking now 18:16:13 <OwenS> Though that 53% of my CPU time is now raw inside AS::ASI::interpret is encouraging 18:16:14 <DJNekkid> press the Download testing 1.0.0-RC2 up at the top 18:16:21 <DJNekkid> get the zip archive 18:16:26 <DJNekkid> unzip in desktop/ottd 18:16:48 <Fern> in that i have created or? 18:18:43 <Fern> mate are u there? ) 18:18:47 <Fern> Nekk 18:19:22 <DJNekkid> sorry 18:19:27 <DJNekkid> were helping wife with torrent :) 18:19:34 <DJNekkid> unzip it in the dir you created 18:19:39 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:19:40 <DJNekkid> start openttd.exe 18:19:50 <DJNekkid> press ok that you dont have sfx and gfx 18:19:59 <DJNekkid> then download opengfx and opensfx from this link: 18:20:30 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-171-197.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:31 <Fern> ye it says cannot open TRG1R.GRF 18:20:44 <DJNekkid> http://bundles.openttd.org 18:20:50 <DJNekkid> ehm 18:20:55 <DJNekkid> bundles.openttdcoop.org 18:21:10 <Fern> and which of them should i get? 18:21:32 <DJNekkid> opengfx and opensfx 18:21:50 <KenjiE20> wait hang on? you have the originals? 18:21:59 <KenjiE20> just have the installer copy them for you.... 18:22:37 <Fern> i have downloaded ttd from somwhere 18:23:02 <Fern> what is nightlies and releases? 18:23:25 <DJNekkid> releases are concidered stable 18:23:52 <DJNekkid> nightlies are up-to-date versions with all new features, and _might_ be unstable, but usually they are just as stable as the stables 18:24:00 <Fern> ok be right back need to do 1 thing ) hang on 18:26:38 <Starn> i have the original game my self.. but i don't use it for openTTD lol 18:28:31 <Starn> also have oil tycoon woot woot. 18:28:45 <Starn> speaking of which brb gonna find my old games. 18:28:50 <DJNekkid> i think i remember that one from the amiga 500 days 18:29:06 <Rubidium> DJNekkid: you're not playing enough with the stables; we get way more bug reports for the nightlies than for the stables 18:29:40 <Sacro> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7397846/Kings-Cross-to-Beijing-in-two-days-on-new-high-speed-rail-network.html 18:29:41 <Starn> this oil tycoon is newer its for 98 i think 18:30:08 <DJNekkid> Rubidium: enough is a overstatement... i think i've actually never played with a stable :) 18:30:35 <DJNekkid> the stables might be more stable then the nightlies, but imho is the nightlies very stable... 18:31:01 <Fern> im back my apologize for being away. My grandmother is teaching me how to cook bitter cabbage 18:31:36 <DJNekkid> i _think_ there were some oil tycoon from like 1990 for amiga 18:32:38 <Fern> guys 1 maybe dumb question. why is it so complicated to install 1 of the simpliest games? ) 18:33:02 <Fern> ye, and should i download evey single file separatley? 18:33:11 <__ln__> what's a simple game? 18:33:41 <Rubidium> Fern: because before 1.0 you 'had' to use the graphics files from transport tycoon deluxe. Distributing those is illegal (at least for us). 18:33:51 <Fern> transport tycoon. i remember that i just installed openttd above tt i had and that was it without getting gfs and sfx files 18:33:57 <Starn> i think so to DJNekkid. i honestly think i played it to 18:34:11 <Rubidium> with the 1.0.0 betas and RCs you should download the installer and it will automatically download the required files 18:34:19 <Rubidium> and as such it will work out-of-the-box 18:34:36 <Fern> oh.... so tt is sold again? 18:35:05 <Rubidium> no, some people made free replacement graphics and sounds 18:36:09 <Fern> i still dont get it. some 1 told that its illigal to have those old files and u say that some u owed them adn uploaded again 18:36:27 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:36:34 <Fern> personally me i have donwnloaded ttd from somewher eidont know whwere just for updating by open ttd 18:36:48 <Fern> and see that i cant do it as i did it before... 18:36:58 <Fern> so thats why im here and asking for help 8( 18:37:21 <OwenS> Hmm, __builtin_expect works wonders! 18:37:30 <Fern> ye and those files should be downloaded into data folder? 18:37:42 <Starn> anyone wanna help me find port of Lords of the Realm 2 by sierra 18:39:53 <Fern> just a sec) 18:42:51 <Fern> no there is not such game at myu torrent search) 18:43:35 <Starn> its an old game mate. i have the origianl CD the issue is it will not work on modern systems 18:45:41 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19377 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 18:45:41 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:41 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 6 changes by burgerd 18:45:41 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: dutch - 5 changes by habell 18:45:41 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: greek - 1 changes by fumantsu 18:45:42 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: japanese - 42 changes by imkira 18:45:42 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 4 changes by BlinK_ 18:46:19 *** Goulpy is now known as Muxy 18:46:26 <Starn> is sierra even still alive? 18:47:25 <Starn> nope it was defunct in 2008 :( 18:47:31 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:47:56 <Fern> DosBox help ur child game be alive once more ) 18:48:10 <Starn> it was not dos game sad thing 18:48:20 <Starn> it was win95 or win98 or both.. 18:49:24 <Fern> yo there is a fine source of old games 18:49:35 <Fern> something with the home off the underdogs 18:49:40 <Fern> try to search it 18:49:53 <Fern> it has blue backcolor as far as i rememmber 18:49:56 <Starn> use to go there all the time till i got vista and games stopped working now i am on win7 18:50:08 <Starn> but i also like to try to stay legal if possible 18:50:35 <Fern> if possible mate ) 18:50:44 <Fern> otherwise DosBox and underdogZ ) 18:51:17 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:51 <KenjiE20> try it on WINE in *nix? 18:52:18 <Starn> maybe.. go fetch me one of them new harddrives that my computer only supports :P 18:52:31 <Fern> as far as i know DosBox help with all those windows vist shmista whaever! it helps ) 18:52:47 <Prof_Frink> Wine in *nix in virtualbox? 18:52:47 <OwenS> Fern: Only if it was a DOS game 18:52:59 <OwenS> Prof_Frink: Thats never gonna be usable :p 18:53:09 <Fern> ok guys thank u fro help ill try to fix openttd later. so laters and have a nice eveing all ))) 18:53:14 <Fern> bye 18:53:15 *** Fern [~Fern@ppp85-141-208-76.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 18:53:48 <KenjiE20> WINE in *nix in virtualbox, on a VPS? 18:53:51 <KenjiE20> :P 18:55:23 <Starn> oh my god! looking at old games i found one i use to play all the time on snes! aerobiz supersonic! i still have it! totally getting my snes out to see if it works now 19:03:02 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-160-246.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 19:05:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:10:47 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:14:48 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@69.107.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:07 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:27:26 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ptr_] 19:33:08 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:43:57 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:25 <Xaroth> KenjiE20: I did better than that 19:50:58 <Xaroth> I had windows running vmware player on a linux box running virtualbox running on vmware ESX4 running on vmware ESX3 19:51:20 <Xaroth> needless to say, performance wasn't -that- good 19:51:23 <Xaroth> wasn't -that- bad either 20:00:04 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-79-136-5-149.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 20:11:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host40-239-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:11:42 <Wolf01> hello 20:11:58 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8236f5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 20:24:54 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: 1 20:25:00 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 20:25:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: you realize that only gets you started in an endless "telephone menu" ;) 20:26:08 <Rubidium> 1111111eleventyone111111 20:26:17 <Rubidium> oh shoot 20:26:23 <Rubidium> 0: 1 20:26:26 <Rubidium> 1: goto 0 20:28:15 <Eddi|zuHause> have you never watched the bundys? 20:28:57 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: as in Married with Children? 20:29:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, those 20:29:25 <Rubidium> "the ozone layer is the layer between the nzone and pzone layers" :) 20:29:42 <DJNekkid> lol! 20:30:02 <Eddi|zuHause> "you should not eat yellow snow" :p 20:30:45 <Rubidium> ofcourse that quote is from the wonderfully dumb Kelly Bundy 20:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i'm talking about the episode where bud hears a voice "if you build it, he will come". meanwhile Al is on the phone to get a replacement piece for his car... 20:34:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and all he gets is more and more options in this telephone menu 20:34:38 <Eddi|zuHause> the episode ends with al sitting in the basement hearing the same voice "if you build it, he will come"... followed by the phrase i quoted in the post 20:41:46 <DJNekkid> Are there big differences between american and english language (game-wise) 20:41:58 <Zuu> street car vs tram? 20:42:37 <Zuu> Not sure what there is more. 20:43:44 <thingwath> diff shows many more things :) 20:44:07 <Eddi|zuHause> "truck", "car" and "van" usage 20:44:52 <thingwath> railway/railroad, for example 20:45:27 <Eddi|zuHause> diff can't weed out the {STRINGn} differences... 20:53:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D496.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:31 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 21:08:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-251-23.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:09:16 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:10:04 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:11:58 <__ln__> https://documents.epfl.ch/users/l/le/lenstra/public/pictures/DSC00942k.JPG 21:17:02 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:35 <dih> @seen Timmaexx 21:17:35 <DorpsGek> dih: Timmaexx was last seen in #openttd 5 days, 6 hours, 18 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Timmaexx> no sometimes he stops at 84% 21:19:07 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: what exactly is that? 21:19:51 <__ln__> some sort of a cluster of PS3s, but i guess you figured that much :/ 21:31:11 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31:30 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 21:34:24 *** ajmiles3 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:34:51 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 21:36:00 <OwenS> __ln__: I guess building PS3 clusters got more difficult with the discontinuation of the fats 21:36:24 <__ln__> no doubt 21:36:48 <OwenS> Also, god damnit GCC. When a function is missing, GENERATE A GOD DAMN LINK ERROR! _DON'T_ DUMP ME AT A SCREEN OF ASM! 21:36:55 <OwenS> (in the debugger) 21:39:43 <OwenS> "error: reinterpret_cast from type âAS::Internal::VMFunction**â to type âconst void**â casts away constness" <-- Is it just me who sees that as casting IN constness? 21:40:58 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:40 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: maybe there are more levels of constness? 21:43:31 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: No, the types it has are right 21:44:04 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 21:44:58 <OwenS> I solved it by applying a hammer: A C style cast :p 21:48:48 <__ln__> OwenS: try casting to 'const void * const *' 21:48:50 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: unless you can prove that it's a compiler bug, it's more likely that your cast is wrong... 21:49:47 <OwenS> __ln__: I don't want the second const there 21:50:17 <OwenS> (Actually, the GC is gonna completely ignore the const qualifiers anyway because it needs to move stuff around :P ) 21:52:11 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 21:52:40 <Terkhen> good night 21:52:45 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@187.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:53:22 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@69.107.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:53:46 <OwenS> Gah! I'm spending too much CPU time in hashtable reads... 21:53:58 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f50e4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:07 <OwenS> (And thats with cached hashes!) 21:54:55 <__ln__> that doesn't quite rhyme 21:56:07 <Eddi|zuHause> you need smaller hashtables 21:56:24 <Eddi|zuHause> or hash plantages ;) 21:56:35 <Eddi|zuHause> plantations 21:56:37 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever 21:56:51 <OwenS> Also, how am I spending 9% of my CPU time building bloody variants?! 21:57:18 <Eddi|zuHause> http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/htc-phones-pre-installed-mariposa-bot-client-030910 21:58:29 <OwenS> enterFrame called 1664080 times? Wow, mega recursion :p 21:58:37 *** sparr [~kvirc@adsl-190-191-93.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:40 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:09:43 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 22:09:56 <Zuu> OwenS What are you coding on? 22:10:47 <OwenS> Zuu: Scripting language, accompanying interpreter, and soon, LLVM backend 22:11:19 <Zuu> Sounds complicated. 22:11:56 <Zuu> Though, that of course depend on what features you include in your scripting language. 22:12:34 <OwenS> Zuu: Both OO and Functional programming, operator overloading, parameter binding (often implicit, e.g. for this)... yeah, kinda complex 22:13:42 <Eddi|zuHause> and there aren't enough scripting languages yet? 22:13:58 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: None which are designed to be embedded which don't suck in one way or another 22:14:46 <OwenS> (And, in particular, none besides Javascript with a security model...) 22:14:49 <Wolf01> 'night 22:14:56 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host40-239-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:15:01 <Jolteon> Does doing mail and goods and valuable provider bigger town growth than just passengers? 22:15:08 <Eddi|zuHause> no 22:15:25 <Jolteon> bleh 22:15:39 <Jolteon> I wonder if anyone has made a patch / switch so that it does. 22:15:52 <Jolteon> It would be pretty neat if town growth increase if you did mail and goods too. 22:16:24 <Zuu> IIRC more active stations increase the growth even if there is no special bonus because it is goods. 22:16:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Jolteon: there was an ancient branch called "town growth challenge" 22:16:55 <Jolteon> hm 22:17:11 <Jolteon> can that sort of stuff be achieved by a specially coded GRF 22:17:19 <Eddi|zuHause> no 22:17:22 <Jolteon> or would it require a source code edit (branch, whatever the term is) 22:17:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 22:17:33 <Jolteon> blah. 22:17:39 <Rubidium> Jolteon: there is a patch 22:17:41 <Jolteon> what sort of stuff can be GRF controlled, aside from adding new stuff. 22:17:43 <Jolteon> just prices? 22:17:50 <Rubidium> (only it's ttdpatch) 22:17:59 <Jolteon> yeah, I used to play TTDPatch 22:18:02 <Jolteon> I came to OpenTTD from it. 22:18:12 <Jolteon> Mainly due to TTDP being a bit unstable for me, but lets not get into that ;) 22:18:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Jolteon: amount of passengers provided by houses might be able to make dependent on input 22:18:34 <Jolteon> hm 22:18:46 <Jolteon> I might have a look into the exact requirements, and if it's technically possible for my knowledge 22:18:52 <Jolteon> and if anyone else would be interested in it. 22:18:53 <Eddi|zuHause> but that may be complicated, and you can't modify houses provided by other grfs 22:21:13 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... xkcd is flawed :p 22:23:53 * OwenS builds a bytecode decode cache 22:26:06 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 22:33:56 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:36:58 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has left #openttd [] 22:42:45 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:42:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D496.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:42:58 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:12 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:43:45 <Jolteon> Evening. 22:44:12 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9A3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 22:44:22 <Nite_Owl> already done 22:46:43 <Jolteon> ;) 22:47:47 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 22:48:26 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:47 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF870B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:12 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:49:30 <Eddi|zuHause> huhu 22:49:44 <Nite_Owl> Hello Eddi 23:05:26 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D496.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:06 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 23:14:02 *** ajmiles3 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:02 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-6-61.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:07 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@89.104.166.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:18 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-127-129.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:18:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:19:07 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:29 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:29:25 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:34:02 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:47:19 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 23:50:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:56:55 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:59:45 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-195-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...]