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05:16:45  <Mazur> BBC4 had a  interesting documentary about the African "Freedom" railway. yesterday.  Watched some during my late dinner,
05:20:00  * Mazur saw a copper pick up, a maize farm, Chinese locs and lots of not hurried people on this string and bean operation.
05:21:24  <Mazur> Unfortunately, I missed most of it, I'd hoped for inspirations.
05:21:41  <Mazur> Good morning, by the way.
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07:05:55  <dih> morning
07:12:34  <Alberth> moin
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08:14:49  <peter1138> wtf
08:15:01  <peter1138> my xterm had dead pixels...
08:15:21  <Noldo> o_O
08:19:06  <Terkhen> good morning
08:20:41  <SpComb> peter1138: terminal emulators are more difficult than you might think
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08:34:18  <peter1138> "Something caused Stopmotion to exit abnormally last time it was runned."
08:34:19  <peter1138> ahh...
08:39:41  <peter1138> kill -9 `ps ax | grep vgrabbj | grep -v grep | cut -b 0-5`
08:39:47  <peter1138> wow, this programmer's clever...
08:40:14  <peter1138> `pidof vgrabbj` is presumably too hard...
08:41:07  <Alberth> not to mention asking nicely to a program to stop running :)
08:42:43  <Alberth> or using killall vgrabbj   :)
08:42:49  <peter1138> yeah
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10:10:19  <nicholas_> parlez vous francais?
10:10:40  <dih> english!
10:10:46  <nicholas_> ok
10:10:53  <nicholas_> i speak english lol
10:11:12  * dih did an 'ln' ^^
10:13:33  <Goulp> il y a quelques français ici, but they speak english as requested in the channel title
10:14:00  <TrueBrain> je ne parle pas francais! Ich spreche keine Deutch! Ik spreek geen Nederlands! I don't speak English!
10:14:01  <TrueBrain> whoho
10:14:37  <nicholas_> i love trains
10:14:50  <Goulp> TrueBrain: but you may understand some of them...
10:15:01  <TrueBrain> just some? :p
10:15:16  <Goulp> up to you :D
10:15:32  <Goulp> should i say many instead ?
10:16:14  <TrueBrain> I understand all of those 4 languages, that is the joke .. sigh .. nevermind
10:16:59  <nicholas_> je suis le fromage
10:17:19  <Goulp> beeing cheese can be dangerous about smelling
10:17:43  <peter1138> mmm, cheese
10:20:28  <Eddi|zuHause> bÀh, cheese
10:22:47  <nicholas_> does anyone speak C++ ?
10:23:08  <Alberth> not native
10:23:26  <TrueBrain> fluent!
10:25:50  <Goulp> i can write some C++
10:25:58  <dih> ;
10:26:20  <__ln___> nicholas_: btw, it's spelled "français".
10:26:41  <Goulp> fran what ?
10:26:43  <dih> "french ice"?
10:28:55  <TrueBrain> rather italian ice
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11:02:32  <erani_> hmm. who posted a link to some game's website day before yesterday? it was some odd puzzle game that was ported to linux recently
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11:03:46  <Alberth> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/last  <-- this site knows
11:05:36  <erani> ah, terrific. thanks!
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12:14:59  <IPG> QO
12:15:00  <IPG> \O
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12:42:13  <oskari89> !seen DanMacK
12:42:20  <oskari89> @seen DanMacK
12:42:20  <DorpsGek> oskari89: DanMacK was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey all
12:42:27  <oskari89> Wrong channel, sorry.
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14:00:47  <Belugas> hello
14:06:08  <Mazur> Hello.
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14:08:21  <Belugas> hello Mazur
14:08:46  <Mazur> Likewise to you, Belugas.
14:11:15  <Mazur> I wonder, since OpenGFX, -MSX and -SFX are required, unless you have the original for some of these, why the first ever try to run OpenTTD doesn't offer to download them from BaNaNaS, itself?
14:11:42  <Rubidium> Mazur: how to visualise the offer?
14:12:20  <Mazur> Well, there you have a point, sir.
14:12:23  <planetmaker> Mazur, OpenMSX and OpenSFX are not required...
14:12:42  <Mazur> Ah, my mistake.
14:13:37  <planetmaker> And as for OpenGFX: how to display anything without graphics... (that includes font)
14:13:55  <Mazur> Half-remembered lines from websites all over the web, which still state you need the original this and that to play.
14:14:12  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: on windows, a standard dialog window like for the help could be done
14:14:30  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, I guess it *could* be done for others, too.
14:14:39  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but... Windows has the installer already
14:14:43  <planetmaker> I've seen those dialogues... even within OpenTTD code.
14:14:51  <Rubidium> so the use case for Windows is rather limited
14:15:37  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but never underestimate the dumbness of the user
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14:16:01  <Mazur> I only half remember from my linux experience, when I first wanted to try the game, some time back.
14:16:34  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, you could say that this is the responsibility of the package mangager
14:17:10  <Mazur> And then went to look on the web for resolutions, came across numerous sites staing (only) you needed the original somethings, and then downloaded a pirated copy.
14:17:36  <Mazur> Fired it up, and discovered htey were not needed, after all.
14:17:38  <Eddi|zuHause> *psst*
14:18:28  <Mazur> Glad to be rid of that other stuff.
14:19:18  <glx> you just found outdated sites ;)
14:19:24  <Mazur> Yup.
14:19:31  <Mazur> But I did not know that.
14:19:33  <Mazur> :-)
14:19:54  <Mazur> I think even Wikipedia is outdated on that score.
14:20:03  <Mazur> But don;t quote me on that.
14:20:19  <glx> of course, 1.0.0 is less than 1 month old
14:20:35  <Mazur> So am I.
14:20:39  <Mazur> As a player.
14:20:41  <Mazur> :-)
14:20:48  <planetmaker> see how out-dated you are :-P
14:21:17  <Mazur> Terribly, and don;t I know it.
14:21:37  <planetmaker> blessed those who are ignorant ;-)
14:22:09  <Mazur> Yeah, childhood was bliss on that score....
14:22:12  <Eddi|zuHause> the problem with wikipedia is that it does not represent the truth, but the community representation of that truth
14:22:18  <Mazur> *ponders back*
14:22:39  <Mazur> True.
14:22:43  <Eddi|zuHause> and you may not use first hand sources
14:22:57  <Mazur> No?
14:23:01  <planetmaker> the latter is the biggest problem.
14:23:16  <planetmaker> You cannot write as lead developer "it is done that way"
14:23:18  <Eddi|zuHause> no, you can't just write an article about yourself just because you know yourself
14:23:26  <planetmaker> ^
14:23:29  <Mazur> Ah, I see.
14:23:49  <planetmaker> you need a written source which confirms that you're an ego-centric ;-)
14:23:59  <planetmaker> s/ego-centric/nice person/ :-P
14:24:03  <Eddi|zuHause> you need a "notable source" for other person's opinion on how they percieve yourself
14:24:13  <Mazur> Well, as a mwere player, I could updae the WIkiPedia entry.
14:24:21  <Mazur> -typos
14:24:28  <planetmaker> if you found a source which supports your changes...
14:24:39  <Eddi|zuHause> with your spelling, you shouldn't update wikipedia ;)
14:24:55  <Mazur> That's not spelling, that's typing skills.
14:25:32  <Mazur> And the difference between a throwaway line in a fugitive system and a more permanent text.
14:25:36  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it's even worse; if some paper/magazine writes something incorrect that is admissable for the OpenTTD page. If I write something about OpenTTD it's not considered a "verifiable" source...
14:25:52  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, as "a mere player" you are again a primary source, not a secondary source, no mention of notability either
14:26:16  <Mazur> I can direct to hte Wiki as a primary source.
14:26:35  <planetmaker> It's not a primary source either...
14:26:48  <Rubidium> "According to a study of the activity of the 61,154 open source projects on SourceForge in the period 1999-2005 OpenTTD is 8th most active patch/contribution receiving open source project." <- I think that is really utter bullshit, yet for Wikipedia it's proving notability and it's verifiable
14:26:49  <planetmaker> anyone could change that ;-)
14:26:50  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yes, you need to get the magazine to revoke/correct the untrue artikle
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14:27:20  <Rubidium> Mazur: primary sources are "worthless" for Wikipedia
14:27:33  <planetmaker> what would be true actually? number one active community? :-)
14:27:48  <Eddi|zuHause> largest channel on oftc ;)
14:28:01  <planetmaker> :-) really? I never compare(d)
14:28:17  <Eddi|zuHause> no, not entirely
14:28:22  <Eddi|zuHause> there's some debian stuff as well
14:29:09  <Eddi|zuHause> but i think in the beginning that was the case
14:29:37  <Rubidium> planetmaker: apparantly we received 874 patches in two years, which I think is quite a lot
14:30:21  <Eddi|zuHause> but it's probably a really useless statistics ;)
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14:32:15  <Rubidium> changelog.txt for that period is not even that long
14:32:46  <Eddi|zuHause> 83% of all statistics are made up on the spot
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14:34:14  <Rubidium> and a rough estimate would be that one in 5-10 commits would have been a contributed patch
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14:35:15  <Rubidium> unless... language updates are considered "contributed" patches
14:38:42  <planetmaker> hm... :-) it'd be interesting to know how they came up with that number.
14:38:59  <planetmaker> But yeah... if "contributed" = showed up in forum it's believable.
14:40:06  <Rubidium> planetmaker: purely sf stuff
14:40:40  <planetmaker> hehe
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15:03:23  <Eddi|zuHause> .. i hate that Civ4 does not group savegames by name of mod used...
15:05:09  <Rubidium> neither does OpenTTD
15:05:40  <peter1138> i'm going to assume that civ4 doesn't just load the correct mods...
15:09:11  <Eddi|zuHause> an openttd mod for civ4 ;(
15:09:15  <Eddi|zuHause> ;)
15:10:37  <Eddi|zuHause> ;)
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15:11:09  <Eddi|zuHause> err... where did that second smilie come from?
15:13:46  <planetmaker> Long decay constant
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15:14:51  <Rubidium> the up arrow and enter key being quite close together? Then accidentally pressing both
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15:15:22  <Eddi|zuHause> no... more like both keypresses ending up in the wrong window
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17:45:46  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19737 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:45:46  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:46  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: catalan - 2 changes by arnau
17:45:46  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: irish - 424 changes by tem
17:45:46  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: maltese - 105 changes by kelinu, peter88823
17:45:47  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: polish - 14 changes by xaxa
17:45:47  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: romanian - 28 changes by kkmic
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17:58:44  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
18:01:39  <Alberth> evening
18:01:53  <Nite_Owl> Hello Alberth
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18:28:36  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19738 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_debug_gui.cpp saveload/waypoint_sl.cpp): -Fix: MSVC 64 bits compile warnings
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18:35:46  <planetmaker> Terkhen: compilation of FISH does not work due to the missing file :-)
18:36:15  <planetmaker> probably just a forgotten hg add sprites/pcx/some-hovercraft.pcx or so
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18:36:53  <andythenorth> FISH now fixed
18:36:57  <andythenorth> my bad :(
18:36:58  <andythenorth> sorry
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18:38:27  <Terkhen> it's working now, thank you for the quick fix :)
18:43:07  <andythenorth> should never have happened ;)
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18:50:04  <planetmaker> andythenorth: btw, I started to add newgrf development related stuff to the wiki as sub-pages on http://wiki.openttd.org/Graphics_Development
18:50:20  <DJNekkid> is text/stringcode 01 (x offset) in pixels or in "space" chars?
18:52:40  <DJNekkid> DJNekkid: pixels :)
18:54:49  <Alberth> that is something else than SETX, I hope
18:56:25  <DJNekkid> someone called it "setx" in the 2ccset bugreport
19:04:58  <Alberth> hmm, perhaps it still exists in NewGRF.   SETX got removed from the string system in OpenTTD quite a while ago.
19:07:02  <planetmaker> Alberth: afaik it still exists
19:07:55  <Alberth> yeah, you just cannot enter it anymore in a string in the languages.
19:10:04  <DJNekkid> unless we are talking about something completely different things, it do work...
19:11:38  <DJNekkid> -1 * 0  04 00 LANG_ID \b1 \b*2000 01 21 "2100" 00
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19:12:09  <DJNekkid> where the "01 21" shifts the text x21 pixels to the right
19:12:53  <Alberth> DJNekkid: we do speak about the same thing, just in different context. You use it in a NewGRF, while I had a string in a language file in mind. In the latter, it got removed.
19:13:08  <Alberth> DJNekkid: too bad not all characters have the same size.
19:13:22  <Alberth> *of different fonts*
19:13:54  <DJNekkid> but it shifts it pixels :)
19:14:23  <Alberth> as long as you use it for outlining graphics, it's fine I guess :)
19:14:32  <Alberth> *aligning
19:14:58  <DJNekkid> well, i guess you also know how the 2cc set have its p-list sprites?
19:15:03  <DJNekkid> that is what i use it for :)
19:15:27  <Alberth> no, I don't even know what a p-list sprite is :)
19:15:36  <DJNekkid> purchaselist :)
19:15:59  <Nite_Owl> Got to fly - later all
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19:16:02  <Alberth> ah
19:16:45  <Rubidium> yeah, you should use "setx" there (stringcode 01)
19:17:00  <Alberth> and you make sure all graphics have the same width. That should be fine.
19:17:22  <Rubidium> same width isn't necessary IIRC
19:17:37  <Rubidium> although it might give some side effects
19:18:20  <Alberth> using it also has side effects, different NewGRF authors have different ideas about such width.
19:19:19  <Ammler> grfcodec -c :-)
19:20:30  <Ammler> DJNekkid: you might need to use the sprite flag (+0x40)
19:22:51  <planetmaker> uh, yes.
19:23:03  <planetmaker> though I'm not sure wether I activated it there...
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21:04:43  <Belugas> and here we leave out for the day!
21:04:44  <Belugas> night all
21:04:50  <Rubidium> nightynight Belugas
21:05:04  <Belugas> u2 Sir
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21:13:16  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19739 /extra/website/general/utils/version.py: [Website] -Fix: all releases would be shown as "latest"
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21:57:28  <Terkhen> good night
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