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00:14:59 <frosch123> night 00:15:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f46ef.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:43 <__ln__> goooood morning (jetlag is a funny thing) 00:18:51 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:19:39 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 00:25:40 <__ln__> is this english: "AYSTAR_STILL_BUSY : indicates we have done some checked, that we did not found the path yet" 00:32:30 *** BlackTow3x [~krotouyy@41.248.183.67] has joined #openttd 00:34:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:44:21 <Lakie> Rubidium: should objects just be removable if no grf loaded for them? 00:47:56 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:48:37 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined 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Leaving.] 06:58:06 <planetmaker> moin 06:58:17 <planetmaker> [07:44] <frosch123> [01:20:51] http://wiki.openttd.org/Frosch/Town_Control <- for those interested, though andy is already at sleep <- @ andythenorth 06:59:47 <andythenorth> hey neat 06:59:55 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:04:55 *** fanioz [b4d6e818@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:09:12 *** ctibor|spi [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 07:09:12 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:11:15 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:11:21 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:11:37 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [] 07:11:48 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:13:55 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14:35 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:19:16 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tlubrasgw1-fe86de00-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:23:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host176-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:23:26 <Wolf01> 'morning 07:30:13 *** ctibor|spi [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:30:26 *** DDR_ [~DDR@66.183.125.60] has joined #openttd 07:32:18 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 07:33:39 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.125.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:33:48 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 07:39:14 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:39:47 <andythenorth> Town Control would make 'electricity' possible 07:39:55 <andythenorth> also 'town gas' and similar 07:40:10 <andythenorth> interesting 07:40:52 <planetmaker> it would allow for a whole range of things 07:41:46 <planetmaker> also very interesting for house sets: check the amount of delivered cargo: it determines the wealth of the town, such controls the look of buildings etc 07:42:15 <planetmaker> like a run-down small place vs. a bristling, shiny metropolis with very different buildings 07:42:23 <planetmaker> or similar-sized but different 07:43:06 <planetmaker> mining-buildings in a mining town, commercial ones in a town with serviced banks and convenience stores etc pp 07:43:29 <planetmaker> town growth cargo as function of the time 07:43:34 <andythenorth> if town persistent storage is possible, then all kinds of complex fun becomes possible 07:43:52 <planetmaker> and depending upon the amount of delivered cargos as well as their diversity 07:44:09 <andythenorth> probably also opens up some more possibilities for creating logic circuits with the game 07:44:23 <andythenorth> instead of using trains on circles as memory, use towns as memory.... 07:44:42 <planetmaker> :-) yeah, maybe 07:44:54 <planetmaker> though I'm not sure trains have access there 07:44:57 <andythenorth> stations do 07:45:03 <planetmaker> stations. But not trains 07:45:07 <Terkhen> good morning 07:45:10 <andythenorth> hi Terkhen 07:45:11 <planetmaker> moin 07:45:40 <planetmaker> also the regions theme as developed by Y3xo would kinda become obsolete 07:45:59 <planetmaker> though not completely 07:52:20 <andythenorth> hmm 07:52:49 <andythenorth> so a power plant would set '1' in a town register if fuel was delivered. 07:53:02 <andythenorth> and a hydro-plant would just set '1' every month :) 07:55:01 <Terkhen> finally something interesting to do with power plants? :) 07:55:54 <planetmaker> like that, andythenorth :-) 07:56:03 <planetmaker> And *that* definitely sounds interesting ;-) 07:56:20 <planetmaker> Cool... A hydroplant would not need be an industry 07:56:29 <planetmaker> It could be an object... it also has access there 07:56:42 <planetmaker> A hydro plant anyway doesn't need anything 07:57:05 <planetmaker> And a player could fund it for big â¬â¬â¬â¬â¬â¬â¬â¬â¬ in order to provide electricity ;-) 07:57:16 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 07:57:17 <planetmaker> But the town will grow better than with the coal plant next door ;-) 07:59:33 <planetmaker> also serviced waste depots would help town growth ;-) 08:00:24 * andythenorth is afk 08:03:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host176-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:24:39 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF94E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:45:05 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:54:43 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.125.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:07:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 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[~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:17:25 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:18:31 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 11:18:48 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:19:36 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:52 <__ln__> i has a patch 11:23:02 <Eddi|zuHause> habemus patchem? 11:23:24 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-115-110.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:26:18 <__ln__> patchus ortograficus 11:28:40 <__ln__> http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/comma-that-etc.diff 11:33:18 <Alberth> quite bad sentences 11:33:30 *** KouDy1 [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:33:33 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:55 <__ln__> indeed, 03:25 < __ln__> is this english: "AYSTAR_STILL_BUSY : indicates we have done some checked, that we did not found the path yet" 11:34:00 *** KouDy1 [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [] 11:34:48 <__ln__> oh, that one is not in the patch because i didn't dare touch it. 11:34:49 <Alberth> s/checked,/checking but / 11:35:43 <Alberth> that makes it a better sentence, but maybe not correct 11:36:41 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:37:12 <Alberth> I'd prefer the sentences to be rephrased, I think. 11:42:24 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 11:43:13 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:44:21 <Alberth> Also, ST_FONT -> #ST_FONT (reference to a code name in a doxygen comment), 'alocated' -> 'allocated', and sentences should end with a full stop (not important enough to change a line for, but if you change it anyway, why not add one?). 11:48:23 *** KouDy1 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/trunk/src/pathfinder/npf/ (queue.cpp queue.h): -Codechange: Remove the now useless union and struct wrappers around the binary heap data. 13:34:26 *** mksen is now known as Mks 13:34:46 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:36:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r20681 /trunk/src/pathfinder/npf/ (aystar.cpp queue.cpp queue.h): -Codechange: Make BinaryHeap_Push() a method, introduce temporary THISBIN_HEAP_ARR macro. 13:37:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r20682 /trunk/src/pathfinder/npf/ (aystar.cpp queue.cpp queue.h): -Codechange: Make BinaryHeap_Pop() a method. 13:37:43 * peter1138 watches lewis hamilton bounce around the podium 13:38:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r20683 /trunk/src/pathfinder/npf/ (aystar.cpp queue.cpp queue.h): -Codechange: Make BinaryHeap_Delete() a method. 13:38:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r20684 /trunk/src/pathfinder/npf/ (aystar.cpp queue.cpp queue.h): -Codechange: Make BinaryHeap_Free() a method. 13:38:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r20685 /trunk/src/pathfinder/npf/ (aystar.cpp queue.cpp queue.h): -Codechange: Make BinaryHeap_Clear() a method. 13:39:01 *** SteelSide [~SteelSide@217.76.87.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:24 <SpComb> someone's trying to rack up commits 13:42:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r20686 /trunk/src/pathfinder/npf/ (aystar.cpp queue.cpp queue.h): -Codechange: Make init_BinaryHeap() a method. 13:46:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r20687 /trunk/src/pathfinder/npf/ (queue.cpp queue.h): -Codechange: Replace the THISBIN_HEAP_ARR macro by a GetElement() method. 13:46:51 <planetmaker> uh-uh... 13:47:09 * planetmaker senses work which makes additional path finders possibly easier :-) 13:47:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r20688 /trunk/src/pathfinder/npf/ (aystar.h queue.cpp queue.h): -Codechange: Rename Queue struct to BinaryHeap. 13:49:03 <Alberth> more "he, Insertion sorter is not used at all, let's remove it.", followed by "he, now a queue can only be a binary heap, and it is too C-ish, let's fix that." :) 13:49:36 <planetmaker> :-) 13:49:49 <SpComb> and "a dozen more commits to my name in the stats can't hurt" 13:50:24 <planetmaker> I don't think 13:50:30 <planetmaker> so 13:50:31 <Alberth> If I do them all in one step, nobody is ever going to find out what happened 13:50:41 <planetmaker> ^ :-) 13:51:12 <planetmaker> Yep, it helps to follow the concept this way 13:51:23 <Noldo> what would be the point in counting commits anyway? 13:51:30 <planetmaker> Something which I usually appreciate; it spares me to really read every commit 13:52:08 <Alberth> eg r20678 is really 2 changes, but they do the same at different places, so no need to split it in 2 commits. 13:52:13 *** SteelSide [~SteelSide@217.76.87.68] has joined #openttd 13:52:42 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 13:56:45 <trebuchet> when you hit 30k commits, do you have a party 13:57:06 <trebuchet> takes a while 13:57:08 <trebuchet> but 13:57:12 <planetmaker> :-) still a bit 13:57:13 <trebuchet> best party ever 13:57:21 <planetmaker> r20k was nice :-) 13:58:49 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:11 <Alberth> If have parties at r(2^n)*10k, it will take a while longer :) 13:59:24 <planetmaker> :-P 13:59:40 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:00:41 <planetmaker> @fibonacci(3) 14:00:50 <planetmaker> @calc fibonacci(3) 14:00:51 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Error: 'fibonacci' is not a defined function. 14:00:53 <planetmaker> hm 14:01:46 <planetmaker> but I guess there were not two parties at r10k ;-) 14:05:22 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:07:00 <Rubidium> did someone already extrapolate when the next party would be 14:07:13 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:07:24 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:44 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:12:04 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 14:15:44 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-55-170.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:17:03 <Rubidium> oh, r1-r10001 took ~2 months less than r10001 to r20001 14:17:13 <Rubidium> lets blame Mercurial and git for that 14:18:00 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-14-14.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:18:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:20:41 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:21:12 <Rubidium> @calc 14348-6765 14:21:12 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 7583 14:21:41 * avdg is bored 14:21:42 <Rubidium> interestingly there are ~800 commits more to trunk between r10001 and r20001 than before r10001 14:22:35 <Rubidium> avdg: then improve the (user) documentation! 14:22:46 <Alberth> fewer branches 14:22:48 <avdg> :p 14:25:53 *** Mks 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There are many many many settings related pages about the pre 0.7 method that need to be incorporated into the advanced settings pages and then redirected to there 14:34:32 <Rubidium> don't really think there's much use for keeping that old confusing cruft around 14:34:54 <avdg> hmm 14:35:20 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:37:01 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:11 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc18f2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:42:12 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-3df2e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 14:50:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-23-216.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:01:52 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:05:00 <avdg> hmm.. is there no feature to see which pages are using a template? 15:05:23 <planetmaker> somewhere there is 15:05:49 <planetmaker> once you have the template page there should be in the left-hand menu a link 'pages using this template' 15:05:53 <planetmaker> IIRC 15:06:22 * avdg is talking about the openttd wiki 15:06:36 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:07:22 * planetmaker was, too 15:10:23 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF94E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:11:23 <Alberth> Zuu: any special reason why EditBoxInGlobalFocus() is declared in window_gui.h ? 15:12:10 <Zuu> Maybe, but I don't remember that now. 15:12:30 <Zuu> I think I put the things where I though they fit. 15:12:41 <avdg> aha, I think I found it (special pages -> what links here) 15:13:19 <avdg> hmm 15:13:24 <Zuu> As long as you can use EditBoxInGlobalFocus from any window event handeler it should be okay I guess. 15:13:29 <Alberth> it only gets used in window.cpp 15:14:08 <Zuu> The idea was probably that some window event handler wolud be interested in using it. 15:14:32 <Alberth> does that idea still hold? 15:14:40 <Alberth> otherwise, I make it a static function 15:16:21 <Zuu> I have no clue, make it static if you want. It can always be changed back if needed. That said, I would think the edit box key handeler would have use for that function. 15:16:54 <Zuu> But maybe QueryStringWindow::something is doing it the manual way. 15:17:04 <Alberth> void SetFocusedWindow(Window *w); also exists, perhaps they use that function 15:17:38 <Alberth> hmm, maybe they assume they have focus purely on the fact that they get called? 15:18:52 *** DeeDee [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-157-252.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 15:19:35 <Zuu> No, the HandleEditBoxKeyInput function (not sure about the name) in the QueryString class should be checking that the edit box is globaly focused and if not, return HEBR_NOT_FOCUSED. 15:20:50 <Zuu> I think one idea I had was to reduce the risk of devs forgetting that they also need to check window-focus, not just widgets within their window. 15:25:48 <Alberth> http://pastebin.ca/1928410 it seems to use w->IsWidgetGloballyFocused(wid) 15:26:39 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 15:27:37 <Alberth> http://pastebin.ca/1928414 added that widget function 15:33:26 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc18f2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:13 <Zuu> hmm, yep. So then you can probably make the EditBoxInGlobalFocus "private" to window.cpp. 15:34:47 <Alberth> ok, thank you 15:35:58 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 15:38:40 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-3df2e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: afk] 15:42:00 <avdg> http://wiki.openttd.org/Template:0.7-feature is not used anymore *has no rights to remove it* 15:43:14 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 15:45:06 <frosch123> shouldn't that be on the pathsignal page? 15:45:43 <avdg> seems we are using the Template:Feature template now 15:46:24 <frosch123> oh 15:46:54 <avdg> check is done here: http://wiki.openttd.org/?target=Template:0.7-feature&offset=0&limit=50&title=Special:Whatlinkshere&namespace= 15:47:55 <frosch123> though i do not agree with putting "nightly" into the template name, then you have to change all appearanced once 1.1 is available, don't you? 15:48:20 <avdg> hmm 15:48:27 <avdg> then it should be 1.1 15:48:33 <avdg> and mark it as nightly 15:48:52 <avdg> but thats confusing 15:51:34 <Ammler> a template which tells "nightly only" would be enough anyway 15:52:44 <frosch123> Ammler: but if there is a 1.1 template it can show "nightly", and once it is released you only have to change the template 15:53:30 <Ammler> frosch123: I meant, it doesn't matter if the feature is introduced pre 1.0 15:54:24 <Ammler> a visitor could assume, every feature in stable, unless there is a "only nightly" template 15:54:51 <Alberth> not true, many people play old versions 15:58:10 <Rubidium> as long as it's not confusing known when something got roughly introduced is a nice thing 15:59:06 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r20689 /trunk/src/ (12 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Make some global functions used in 1 .cpp file static in that file. 15:59:18 <avdg> 0.6 template is also ready to be removed 16:00:24 <Ammler> avdg: your system seems not to work for templates 16:00:32 <avdg> wich one? 16:00:43 <Ammler> finding unused tempaltes 16:00:57 <frosch123> hmm, is there an easy way to find the occurences of the template with nightly parameter? 16:01:31 <avdg> I just type the whole page name (I already saw that the dropdown menu doesn't work) 16:02:00 <Ammler> but as frosch123 mentioned 0.7 is on pbs (bottom) 16:02:33 <frosch123> hehe, Ammler, it is a codechange, no cleanup :p 16:02:59 <avdg> I am just removing the links to the deprecated templates :p 16:04:19 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 16:04:53 <Rubidium> the wiki's database doesn't have a structure where I can quickly find Feature|nightly of pages :( 16:05:14 <avdg> I won't change the nightlies for now, too sensitive :) 16:05:34 <frosch123> nightlies were not used 16:05:39 <frosch123> already deleted it 16:05:42 <avdg> oh :p 16:06:12 <frosch123> so, if you did not change them, maybe it was not used before adding the new template? 16:06:34 <frosch123> so, maybe just change the new template to not take "nightly" as parameter 16:06:42 <avdg> ok, I think everything is done 16:06:50 <avdg> 0.5 and 1.0 are done too 16:06:58 *** nicfer1 [~nicfer@190.50.30.207] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:12 <Alberth> industry chain window already at the wiki? 16:10:09 <Rubidium> so anyone adding feature 1.1 as "nightly"? 16:10:48 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ffe3c000-32.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:11:21 <avdg> well, I think thats one of the best options we have (the other was a separated page, but that would mean more work) 16:12:23 <frosch123> http://wiki.openttd.org/Template:Nightly <- there is already that one 16:13:08 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc18f2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:15 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Template:Feature <-- the image concerning "nightly only" looks wrong 16:21:38 <planetmaker> tick vs. cross for version <= 0.7 16:21:39 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 16:22:35 <Rubidium> lol 16:24:25 <frosch123> it works correctly on the newgrf debug page 16:25:41 <Rubidium> just needed a refresh or something 16:26:03 <planetmaker> yeah 16:26:06 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:26:26 <Rubidium> hello Lakie 16:27:56 <Lakie> Hi Rubidium 16:32:02 *** DeeDee [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-157-252.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]] 16:35:43 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 16:45:29 <avdg> hmm template wip is broken http://wiki.openttd.org/Template:WIP 16:45:59 <frosch123> why? 16:46:13 <avdg> or doesn't look pretty 16:46:21 <planetmaker> and is pretty stupid ;-) 16:46:30 <frosch123> is is just to unify the colours or so 16:46:59 <frosch123> http://wiki.openttd.org/Rail_Vehicles_%28New_Graphics%29 <- so everything is yellow and such :p 16:47:31 <avdg> oh, and I am thinking that it was a box -_- 16:48:52 <avdg> hmm these trains looks nice :p 16:49:11 <frosch123> unless in game 16:49:26 <planetmaker> :-D 16:49:29 <avdg> :D 16:49:50 <avdg> better in 3d 16:49:55 <planetmaker> Most annoying in 32bpp is IMHO that the ground tiles are not flat 16:50:09 <planetmaker> it glitches like hell 17:01:01 <Lakie> Should be a basic compatiblity patch today, most of the animation stuff and such I'm holding until later after spending some time testing it all works (which consdering its mostly cloned it should). 17:01:13 <Lakie> @Rubidium 17:01:44 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:01:51 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:04:11 <Lakie> Also, Rubidium, the offsets from the current tiles, I presume these are all signed (unlike industries which work usually from the north tile with unisgned)? 17:05:08 *** rait [~isofox@82.131.25.231.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:05:21 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:07:08 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:09:14 <planetmaker> the specs do tell 'signed'. Which makes sense, if one starts with the current tile and not the Northern one 17:09:17 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 17:09:48 <andythenorth> evening 17:10:18 * andythenorth likes Town_Control spec 17:13:46 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:22:42 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:56 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc18f2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:27 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 17:32:41 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 17:34:11 *** Muxy is now known as Guest1175 17:34:11 *** Goulpy is now known as Muxy 17:36:24 <[hta]specx> what town_control spec? 17:39:11 *** Guest1175 [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:35 <andythenorth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Frosch/Town_Control 17:41:37 <planetmaker> I'd call it rather "proposal" than "spec" ;-) 17:42:45 * andythenorth likes Town_Control proposal :P 17:43:02 <planetmaker> probably wrong wording, eh? :-P 17:43:06 <planetmaker> suggestion? 17:43:10 <andythenorth> draft spec 17:43:48 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-23-216.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:45:36 <Ammler> 0xFFFF for town size is small, isn't? 17:45:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20690 /trunk/src/lang/ (14 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belarusian - 10 changes by Wowanxm 17:45:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: catalan - 11 changes by arnau 17:45:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 14 changes by josesun 17:46:00 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 10 changes by VoyagerOne 17:46:00 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 10 changes by jpx_ 17:46:35 <andythenorth> frosch123: would towns be able to find information on industries? counts, distance etc as per industry var 67/68 17:48:43 <Rubidium> Lakie: yes, they should be signed 17:49:10 <Lakie> Cool 17:49:26 * Lakie now tries to merge his 'slimmed' patch with his working copy... 17:50:52 <[hta]specx> frosch123: is there a doc explaining the functional part? 17:52:07 <avdg> do we need a list of all scenarios? 17:52:23 <planetmaker> avdg, hardly 17:52:31 <avdg> http://wiki.openttd.org/Category:Scenario_Listings 17:52:37 <planetmaker> it's outdated. Even bananas scenarios are most often not usable 17:53:02 <Rubidium> Lakie: thanks for committing the changes (hope wallyweb isn't complaining his example got broken) 17:53:04 <avdg> well, I was just thinking "why not bananas" 17:53:29 <Lakie> Don't think so, 17:53:56 <Lakie> The animation stuff is all but done really, its mainly the var60s and how var45/46 should operate 17:54:36 <[hta]specx> or add an html renderer into ottd, then make html pages for ai/sceanrio's so th interface is in-game 17:54:59 <[hta]specx> based on html templates coming from the wiki 17:55:21 <planetmaker> openttd is no browser 17:55:40 <Rubidium> embedding a web browser is way to much maintaince work 17:55:56 <dihedral> ... 17:56:16 <dihedral> that discussion yet again 17:56:23 <Lakie> Sounds like a load of added hassle for little/no gain... 17:56:40 <Rubidium> dihedral: it's no discussion 17:56:52 <planetmaker> What *would* be nice, is some means to show a plain text file, the readme. 17:56:57 <planetmaker> But yeah... *someone* :-P 17:57:33 <frosch123> andythenorth: you can only get the sum of all industries, not of a specific industry type 17:58:08 <frosch123> it shall not become a part of newindustries, but a separate thing, which does not conflict with everything else 17:58:39 <[hta]specx> frosch123: ^^ is there a doc explaining the functional part? 17:58:49 <[hta]specx> [of the towncontrol proposal] 17:59:02 <frosch123> no idea what you mean with that :p 17:59:41 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:03 <frosch123> there are some goals which stuff shall be possible, but there are no fixed usecases 18:00:06 <Ammler> planetmaker: someone could use parameter description as "paginator" and enable the grf only if every "paragraph" is clicked :-) 18:00:09 <[hta]specx> what your proposal will add as functionality to ottd. info in your link seems 100% tech stuff 18:00:24 <frosch123> there are three lines at the top 18:00:47 <planetmaker> [hta]specx, that depends upon what people do with it 18:00:50 <frosch123> if the spec is good, newgrf authors can make everything out of it 18:02:06 <[hta]specx> I can make verything out of c++ 18:02:14 <frosch123> andythenorth: the same holds for houses, you cannot instruct a newhouse grf to build a specific house. but you can set the town radii, i.e. define the size of the center and the size of the outskirts, and newhouse grfs will then build matching houses 18:07:31 <andythenorth> frosch123: I think I prefer that 18:07:41 <andythenorth> is town storage a definite possibility? 18:07:43 *** b_jonas [~x@dsl54029E14.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:07:45 <andythenorth> (if that's not an oxymoron) 18:10:35 <frosch123> no idea, it would open massive inter-newgrf communication, not sure if that is a good thing 18:10:57 <frosch123> (assuming they can stuff from other grfids) 18:11:19 <planetmaker> frosch123, it wouldn't be bad really 18:11:30 <frosch123> e.g. grfauthors could agree on specific grfids (without a specific set) where they store informaiton in their own format 18:11:40 <planetmaker> Though of course it can be badly abused my "monolithism" ;-) 18:12:00 <planetmaker> frosch123, or those grfIDs are reserved per se by the specs 18:12:01 <frosch123> like they could say grfid 0xffffff01 register 00 defines the number of fools in the city 18:12:04 <planetmaker> like some ^ 18:12:05 <frosch123> or so 18:12:24 <planetmaker> maybe something like that could be part of the spec 18:12:45 <planetmaker> like there are certain cargo labels and certain station, object, industry,... classes 18:12:53 <frosch123> planetmaker: it is like the default object classes for lighthouses and transmitters, or the cargoclasses 18:13:18 <frosch123> the code does not care which cargoclasses are which, it is only an agreement of some grf authors 18:13:24 <frosch123> (well, in most cases) 18:13:37 <planetmaker> well. Sure. 18:13:54 <planetmaker> But IF that is stated straight away in the corresponding specs, it's a de-facto standard 18:14:19 * andythenorth thinks town storage is a net win 18:15:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:58 <frosch123> but then you have to ask, whether there is also useful information for ais in there 18:17:22 <planetmaker> o_O That'll get challanging 18:17:28 <planetmaker> *challenging 18:18:02 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.125.60] has joined #openttd 18:18:55 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.30.207] has joined #openttd 18:22:20 *** yorick [yorick@2001:470:8:257::2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:22 *** yorick [yorick@ipv6.shellium.org] has joined #openttd 18:30:49 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:37:32 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc18f2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20691 /trunk/src/lang/croatian.txt: -Fix (r20690): unmessup a broken string 18:40:47 <Rubidium> avdg: you might want to revamp/update the openttd v ttdpatch feature comparison page linked from the front page. It's utterly out of date 18:42:01 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.30.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:14 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.30.207] has joined #openttd 18:42:27 <avdg> ttd patch? 18:43:13 <avdg> I've just found some links to a redirect, which is imo nasty 18:43:29 <Rubidium> yup 18:43:47 <Rubidium> wasted CPU cycles and bandwidth, so it's good for the environment :) 18:50:25 <avdg> http://wiki.openttd.org/?title=Non-uniform_stations&redirect=no may be removed imo 18:52:03 <Rubidium> avdg: I'd leave it for the search and external links 18:52:09 <avdg> oh, k 18:57:37 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:02:10 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 19:02:14 <SteelSide> how do I set a name for online play? 19:02:31 <SteelSide> doh 19:02:32 <SteelSide> nvm 19:03:49 <SteelSide> ok nvm-nvm 19:04:01 <SteelSide> I can't find how to change my name. I changed the company name, but it still called me Player#2 19:04:30 <planetmaker> of course. Playername != company name 19:04:41 <SteelSide> yes so my question still stands :p 19:04:56 <planetmaker> in the console: nick newnick 19:05:12 <planetmaker> or in the server join lobby you had the chance, too 19:06:51 <SteelSide> says ERROR: command ont found or the like (this is the ~ console we're talking about?), and in the lobby I see no button to change name 19:07:34 <planetmaker> not a button but a text field. Upper right IIRC 19:07:54 <SteelSide> Ah yes, when selecting server 19:07:55 <SteelSide> thanks 19:08:11 <planetmaker> :-) 19:09:01 <SteelSide> It was hard to spot :p 19:11:00 <SteelSide> also - share trading. I played vs an AI and I never got the opportunity to buy it's shares. Is there a date for when that becomes available or is it a setting or? 19:11:22 <Rubidium> there's a setting and minimum age (5 years or so) 19:21:48 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ccba.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:49 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 19:25:13 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc18f2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:01 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ce1f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:08 <SteelSide> hmm is there any way to use signals to create some kind of a highway for the trains? eg; if there's a train A on the fast track which would be obstructed by train B entering that lane, train B will not enter ? 19:33:04 <frosch123> some fools call them "priority lines" or so 19:33:29 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-14-14.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:43 <frosch123> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Main_Page <- lots of reading for you :) 19:34:07 <frosch123> but make a backup of your sanity before 19:34:58 <frosch123> esp. before visiting the blog :p 19:35:44 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-134-56.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:35:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:36:20 <planetmaker> :-P 19:37:07 <frosch123> i know i am bad when showing someone the way to the dark side :) 19:38:56 <SteelSide> wow o.o 19:39:26 <[hta]specx> are there prio signals yet? 19:39:29 <frosch123> oh, looks like he already sold his soul in the first 5 minutes 19:40:06 <SteelSide> more like 19:40:14 <SteelSide> I don't get anything of this ^^ 19:40:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 19:40:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 19:40:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 19:40:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 19:40:36 <SteelSide> I think I'll settle for now with more effective junctions 19:40:46 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 19:42:47 <SteelSide> holy.. these guys are dedicated 19:42:52 *** DDR_ [~DDR@66.183.125.60] has joined #openttd 19:45:11 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ffe3c000-32.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 19:47:30 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.30.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:43 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.30.207] has joined #openttd 19:49:17 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.125.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:36 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:39 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 20:06:58 <rait> SteelSide, go see how they build in their public games. this is some crazy stuff 20:08:37 <planetmaker> <SteelSide> I think I'll settle for now with more effective junctions <-- they might require some kind of prios, too ;-) 20:10:04 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 20:10:23 <rait> for me, it helped a lot when i built better junctions. prios and stuff ... haven't actually mastered those yet. but good junctions can doo miracles 20:10:31 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:37 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 20:20:04 <planetmaker> they're the foundation for good networks 20:22:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-209-48.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-209-48.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:29:59 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:32:04 <planetmaker> http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/crash.log with http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/save/game.sav 20:37:11 <Rubidium> yay... gazillion NewGRFs :( 20:38:00 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4097 <-- for reference 20:38:36 <Ammler> maybe interesting would be the previous version... 20:39:13 <Ammler> r20594 20:44:42 <Vitus> I've got crash.dmp from this crash (on win32), should I attach it to the task? 20:45:45 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 20:47:02 <rait> (not a dev, but ...) more info is always better 20:50:09 <Rubidium> it doesn't crash for me when loading that game 20:50:48 <Rubidium> hmm... maybe... 20:51:23 <Rubidium> ... that has to do with my full release build without asserts and generic optimisation to make it bearable in valgrind 20:55:39 <Rubidium> hmm... why is there a bridge on a place where supposedly an object should be? 20:56:05 <Rubidium> did you remove objects? 20:56:28 <Vitus> It crashes upon loading, not changes made to the game itself 20:56:34 <Vitus> *no 20:57:04 <Rubidium> still, before the save it could've happened 20:57:52 <Ammler> Rubidium: no magic bulldozer applied anymore, so I doubt that 20:58:12 <Ammler> or are the objects, which can be removed with the common bulldozer? 20:58:23 <Vitus> Not the default ones 20:58:46 <Vitus> Let me check something 20:58:56 <Rubidium> Ammler: land reservation 20:58:59 <Rubidium> Ammler: HQ 20:58:59 <Ammler> well, the map cretor could still have removed those as he made the map 20:59:05 <Rubidium> (though it isn't an HQ) 20:59:29 <Ammler> it was a newgame it was a loaded one 20:59:33 <Ammler> wasn't 21:00:15 <Vitus> Ammler: The magic bulldozer had to be active at some point, the bank (which used to be at main transfer) is gone 21:00:38 <Vitus> And yes, loading the savegame in older nightly just confirms that 21:01:14 <Rubidium> it's been loaded in modified binaries as well 21:01:18 <Ammler> yes, indeed, someone cheated and loaded that map 21:02:14 <Ammler> Rubidium: our server is always modded :-) 21:02:29 <Ammler> pm should mention that :-/ 21:02:46 <Rubidium> which is a pita because now you can't tell whether it's just the server modifications or something else that caused that 21:02:53 <Rubidium> even then, what modifications do you need? 21:03:48 <Ammler> well, it is the "known" command logger 21:03:54 <planetmaker> Rubidium, but it crashed clients, too 21:04:01 <planetmaker> Vitus, is your binary modified? 21:04:04 <Vitus> Nope 21:04:07 <planetmaker> ^ 21:04:47 <Ammler> planetmaker: the save is made with mod bin 21:04:58 <Vitus> Yup, just check gamelog 21:05:12 <SteelSide> well on that prio thing - first they involved pre-signals which to me is black magic, and secondly it looked like it would take up a lot of space 21:05:14 <Ammler> that isn't fixeable anymore :-) 21:05:41 <Rubidium> but OpenTTD comes with a command logger 21:05:54 <Ammler> not readable :-) 21:06:40 <Ammler> maybe you could add that with a certain debug level? 21:07:03 <rait> is it normal that older nightlies can load it but latest can't? 21:07:25 <Ammler> rait: that is the point of our bug report 21:07:35 <rait> ok (shutting up now ...) 21:08:52 <Rubidium> in any case, the savegame is already "corrupt" 21:09:08 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:17 <Ammler> Rubidium: also with r20594? 21:09:22 <Rubidium> Ammler: yes 21:09:32 <Rubidium> just there it doesn't "check" it upon load 21:09:48 <Ammler> can we fix it? 21:09:56 <Ammler> for example removing that bridge? 21:09:57 <planetmaker> not worth it, I guess 21:10:55 <Ammler> well, it isn't long ago, you and SmatZ fixed a 2 years old save :-) 21:11:51 <Ammler> I fear, we might have a lot other saves, which are corrupt now 21:13:08 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c3a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:15 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/foez.sav <- should load 21:14:13 <rait> it does 21:14:27 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:17:31 <Ammler> Rubidium: did you modify something viewable? 21:17:52 <Rubidium> no, just removed two objects from the pool 21:19:20 <planetmaker> :-) 21:19:21 <Ammler> thanks, then we archive that :-) 21:20:31 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ccba.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:34 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.30.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:45 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:27:38 <planetmaker> Thank you Rubidium :-) 21:29:39 <SteelSide> Is there a way to set up priority using path signals? 21:29:39 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30:11 <Ammler> no 21:30:31 <Ammler> well, there is, make the path of the more priorized line longer 21:32:44 *** ed [edlau@cpe-67-49-118-196.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:33:24 <Ammler> http://img.openttdcoop.org/images/pbsprio.png 21:33:53 <rait> client crashed with openttdcoop PS, should i upload the dump? r20690 21:34:21 <SteelSide> but that would also have the effect that if a train on the non-prio line enters, the train on the prio line will stop earlier, even if the gap between them would possibly have been enough for it to continue on without stopping? 21:34:54 <Rubidium> if that's still the same (corrupted game), then no 21:35:14 <Rubidium> otherwise pastebin the crashlog first 21:35:32 <rait> i can't be sure which game it is, pastebinning ... 21:36:39 <rait> http://pastebin.com/uxb8sANc 21:37:11 <rait> i THINK it's the game you patched earlier 21:37:21 <planetmaker> <rait> i can't be sure which game it is, pastebinning ... <--- uhm... you don't know what game you load?! 21:37:47 <Rubidium> seems like the one I patched 21:37:55 <rait> yes, the joy's of online playing 21:37:57 <Ammler> rait: it is the corrupted game 21:38:07 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7916.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:09 <Rubidium> so make a bug report (and poke glx to add the stack trace from the dump) 21:38:09 <rait> ok, i'll bin the dump then 21:38:20 <rait> oh ... ok 21:42:50 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tlubrasgw1-fe86de00-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:53:21 <rait> are build symbols available somewhere? 21:54:30 <Rubidium> same location as the binaries, but replace .zip with .pdb.bz2 21:54:40 <Rubidium> they're not shown on the front page though 21:55:03 <rait> okay 21:55:25 <rait> the bug is up, FS#4098, trying if i can get stack trace 21:55:35 <glx> rait: I know ;) 21:56:55 <glx> trace added 21:57:37 <glx> looks similar to another trace 21:57:53 <Rubidium> yup 21:59:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:31 <rait> so it's useless? 22:02:18 <Rubidium> yes, it's a duplicate 22:04:07 <Wolf01> 'night 22:04:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host176-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:09:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:27 <Terkhen> good night 22:21:04 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.30.207] has joined #openttd 22:24:28 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cef8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:31:51 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c3a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:03 *** BlackTow3x [~krotouyy@41.248.138.120] has joined #openttd 22:36:14 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:36:40 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ce1f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:19 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:53 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cef8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:19 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ca65.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:51:39 <rait> hmm, current (new) savegame also crashes my client. trace seems the same 22:51:59 <rait> current public server game 22:52:38 <planetmaker> here, too. But... might be same 22:53:47 <rait> stack trace is identical 22:54:21 <rait> but it rules out the corrupt savegame, new game also produces crashes 22:54:21 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ce1f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:09 <planetmaker> the 'new' game is actually a very old one, according to the game log 22:56:12 <Rubidium> you did download some NewGRFs, didn't you? 22:57:19 *** DDR_ [~DDR@66.183.125.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:02 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4055/getfile/6481/crash.log <-- that indeed happens 22:58:23 <planetmaker> or very similar 22:59:07 <planetmaker> hm... 23:00:15 <rait> yeah, it required some GRFs i didn't have 23:00:40 <Rubidium> so it's not the (server's) game, it's the downloading of the NewGRFs that caused the crash 23:01:04 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:10 <planetmaker> probably. Added to fs4055 despite 23:02:44 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d098.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 23:03:50 <rait> any point for me to also upload to this bug? 23:09:56 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ca65.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:01 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:13:56 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF94E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:04 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d35b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 23:22:53 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:58 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-209-48.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:25:26 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d098.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:38 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d4be.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 23:35:21 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 23:39:03 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-143-012.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:56 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d35b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:18 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db19850.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 23:51:05 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cc9d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 23:53:26 *** BlackTow3x [~krotouyy@41.248.138.120] has left #openttd [] 23:58:26 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d4be.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]