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Is this documented? 01:00:09 <Eddi|zuHause> typically, 1 ton = 1 item, but in some cases the GRF can change that 01:04:42 <Eddi|zuHause> (but you can't read this, so it is useless information) 01:09:59 *** saronpasu [~saronpasu@catv075-208.lan-do.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:38 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.3.1.188] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 01:27:32 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.28.143] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:39:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:42:57 *** noom [~chatzilla@wopr-p-144-134-185-156.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:43:07 <noom> hullo 01:43:19 <noom> i have more questions :p 01:43:43 <noom> i'm having a lot of trouble keeping a lumber industry running 01:44:01 <noom> they yield such little wood, i'm finding most of it decays before my train can get back for another pickup 01:44:15 <noom> adding more trains doesnt help the situation as they just end up bogged down at the station 01:44:19 <Eddi|zuHause> use two trains. 01:44:24 <noom> :P 01:44:28 <noom> hasnt been helping me at all 01:44:46 <Eddi|zuHause> make sure you have _always_ a train waiting 01:44:53 <noom> hmmm 01:45:00 <Eddi|zuHause> then your rating (and with it the industry production) goes up 01:45:13 <noom> so just throw heaps of engines on the line ? 01:45:21 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:23 <Eddi|zuHause> use "full load" orders 01:45:26 <noom> yeah 01:45:31 <noom> my problem there was the station filled up 01:45:33 <noom> closed my main line 01:45:44 <noom> so i added feeders, that helped a bt 01:45:51 <noom> but now the feeder trains have negative income :p 01:46:00 <Eddi|zuHause> use "transfer" 01:46:18 <noom> and *pop* the forest disapeared haha 01:46:23 <noom> i couldnt see that option on trains 01:46:32 <noom> assumed it was only for boats -> stations 01:46:39 <noom> i'll have another looky 01:46:47 <Eddi|zuHause> it is available for all vehicles 01:46:54 <noom> so really i just need to increase the volume of trains, make sure there's always at least one waiting 01:47:03 <noom> and i guess i need overflow control for the rare times it backs up 01:47:03 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly 01:47:08 <noom> or maybe just more stations ? 01:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause> you can get creative with depots ;) 01:47:46 <noom> yeah i'm getting very good at it :D 01:48:07 <noom> i have an un-interupted main line now, you can run express from one end of my track to the other without stopping, its great :D 01:48:12 <noom> i used uhm...hangon 01:48:47 <noom> http://wiki.openttd.org/Image:Advanced_ro-ro_terminus.png 01:48:49 <noom> that design 01:48:54 <noom> for my busy stations 01:49:35 <noom> i dont really like tunnels though...they ruin your signal block 01:50:32 <noom> ok well thanks for your help mate 01:50:39 <noom> gonna go have another go at the lumber industry :p 01:52:00 <SmatZ> you can double tunnels 01:52:16 <noom> i'm a bit limited for space with that design i'm using though 01:52:25 <noom> i suppose i could split much earlier maybe 01:52:38 <noom> you mean to say, if the tunnels full, they just use the second one ? 01:53:05 <SmatZ> trains won't enter the red signal if they can use green one 01:53:11 <noom> yeah 01:53:24 <SmatZ> if the other path isn't much longer :) 01:53:44 <noom> i find my engines doing some really odd pathfinding lol 01:53:50 <SmatZ> :) 01:53:59 <noom> i think its more my lack of practice with signal lights than anything 01:54:08 <noom> but they do some amazing stuff to get around traffic haha 01:54:40 <noom> i was wondering, if i uploaded this scenario i'm working on somewhere, would someone look at it and tell me if i'm doing it right ? :p 01:56:34 <SmatZ> hard to say, most people are sleeping now :( 01:56:39 <noom> hee hee 01:56:44 <noom> almost midday here :p 01:56:45 <SmatZ> you can try to post it at tt-forums.net :) 01:56:47 <SmatZ> hehe :) 01:59:14 <noom> i need to learn to make those terminus-ro-ro combos 01:59:22 <noom> where you can enter or leave any direction from any platform 01:59:45 <noom> i get stuck with the mini-bridges / tunnels you have to make to link everything 02:00:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-3-12.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:01:14 *** noom [~chatzilla@wopr-p-144-134-185-156.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 02:01:19 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't have to make bridges 02:03:21 <Eddi|zuHause> damn, missed him 02:22:29 *** George is now known as Guest1838 02:22:33 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 02:28:54 *** Guest1838 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:32:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.207.246] has joined #openttd 02:38:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.207.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:40:14 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d114-78-14-252.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:40:21 <Pikka> isn't it just? 02:51:47 <Eddi|zuHause> it's just before 4AM. 03:03:50 <avdg> hmm 03:04:06 * avdg still thinks he didn't edit the wiki enough yet 03:04:23 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 03:10:02 <Eddi|zuHause> could always provoke an edit war :p 03:10:27 <avdg> with 1 char each edit, right :D 03:10:41 <avdg> donno if I am that smart 03:10:55 <avdg> (to keep al these changes in my mind) 03:30:11 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:dcac:111:67a:f4f3] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:35:41 *** saronpasu [~saronpasu@catv075-208.lan-do.ne.jp] has joined #openttd 03:41:50 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:42:17 *** Muddy_ [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 03:42:18 *** Muddy_ is now known as Muddy 03:52:44 * avdg hates the duplicates of the translation box 03:56:51 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d928.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:29 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:15:32 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d114-78-14-252.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026210630]] 04:29:57 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 04:59:11 <xiong> How can I find the correct length of a vehicle, specifically a rail wagon/car? 04:59:38 <xiong> Documentation seems a bit spotty on this. NARS vehicles are not all 1/2 tile long. 05:09:02 *** saronpasu [~saronpasu@catv075-208.lan-do.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:17:25 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.28.143] has joined #openttd 05:55:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74891.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:55:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76A83.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:00:22 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleeps.] 06:09:34 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:50:12 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 06:57:29 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 07:11:22 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@2.124.130.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:13:26 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:21:36 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:33:27 <Terkhen> good morning 07:35:01 <xiong> Good morning! I didn't realize it was. 07:35:40 <xiong> I just had an engine break down, with 99% reliability and a full, badly needed load, immediately out of depot. :( 07:36:02 <Xaroth> sucks to be that train then :P 07:37:02 <xiong> Xaroth++ 07:38:19 <xiong> I'm starting to regret about half of every decision I've made in this game. This is... complex. I've been playing extremely complex games for years (and bragging about it, too); but this may be the one that's bigger than I am. ) 07:40:30 <xiong> I've been looking up other people's junctions. A full interchange, with 2 tracks entering from each of 4 directions, seems to take up about a 30-tile-square area. I get the feeling that most people don't play on small maps. 07:43:39 <xiong> Barrel platforms don't seem to represent chemicals. 08:03:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A582.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:05:55 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 08:06:27 *** norbert79 is now known as Guest1862 08:07:20 *** Guest1862 is now known as norbert79 08:09:31 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.28.143] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:13:23 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has joined #openttd 08:16:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A582.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 08:16:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A582.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:40:15 <norbert79> Morning guys 08:44:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A582.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:45:35 <Terkhen> hi norbert79 08:45:46 <norbert79> Hi Terkhen 08:47:16 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:48:24 *** azaghal [~azaghal@109.207.46.215] has joined #openttd 08:59:59 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC1D79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:02:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE5E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:10:55 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-172.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:22:51 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cd50.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:10 <planetmaker> hello 09:34:58 <lugo> mornings 09:41:57 <norbert79> I wonder what might have caused the small explosion in the engine of the Quantas plane 09:42:16 <norbert79> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/04/indonesia.plane.emergency/index.html?hpt=T1 09:44:08 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 09:47:33 <planetmaker> he. Just read that in the paper, too. 09:47:53 <planetmaker> But I guess there're people who're more keen on finding out than you and me - and then we'll know :-) 09:52:58 <planetmaker> hm, airdisaster.com doesn't know about it yet 09:54:45 *** V453000 is now known as Guest1872 10:07:17 <norbert79> yepp, checked that too 10:07:40 <norbert79> the event with the Heathrow 777 was also very interesting back in 2008 10:07:54 <norbert79> it turned out, that the fuel level got lower, because of the cold 10:08:02 <norbert79> and the fuel "shrunk" 10:08:18 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-172.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 10:24:54 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-172.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:16 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 10:54:07 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:00:16 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 11:04:46 <fjb> Moin 11:05:24 <norbert79> fjb: moin 11:10:30 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.2.175.107] has joined #openttd 11:19:46 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm114.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:28:41 *** elmz_ [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:30:33 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 11:32:19 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 11:41:19 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-172.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 11:46:27 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-128-206.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:50:24 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has left #openttd [] 11:50:26 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 11:53:47 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:54:19 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 11:54:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o Yexo] by ChanServ 12:00:02 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:12:29 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:12:45 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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"We'll be back shortly"? 13:18:57 <Belugas> :) 13:19:14 <norbert79> planetmaker: Damn... I thought it's up :D 13:19:19 <Belugas> if he has been a lurker for so many times, he would propably already know how to do it ;) 13:19:30 <Belugas> or the answer to his question... 13:19:38 <planetmaker> :-P 13:22:27 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:15b2:fe7c:90b7:4454] has joined #openttd 13:22:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:25:18 *** norbert791 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 13:27:34 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:42 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 13:28:58 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:30:35 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice2n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 13:31:08 <Terkhen> it is even better when they state an illogical reason as for why they think it is easy to implement 13:31:49 <glx> it's always easy for non-dev 13:32:31 <norbert79> Well, I can give you one: We have the automated train importing tols busted, which allowed us on-the-fly of scanning and creating sprite images from already existing trains. Now there is a modul in htis tool, and thats one got corrupted... Sorry 13:32:37 <Terkhen> "since I'm not going to do this, it must be easy" 13:33:01 <glx> nice reason :) 13:33:27 <glx> and a very good reason for us to just discard it 13:33:37 <norbert79> Replace the word 'train' with 'truck' or anything else, works all the time :) 13:33:44 <planetmaker> that's true from a certain perspective: it's always easy (for me), if other people do the work _I_ want to see done ;-) 13:34:13 <peter1138> heh 13:34:33 <planetmaker> the one variable often overlooked is: that attitude often causes a reverse motion :-P 13:37:03 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:29 *** norbert791 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:24 <Belugas> note that the guy mentionned to add maglevs ON THAT set, not in Open itself 13:38:34 <Belugas> i just rewrote his port 13:38:40 <Belugas> pst 13:38:41 <Belugas> post 13:38:47 <Belugas> JAVA!!!! 13:39:13 <planetmaker> yes. And we all know that writing a newgrf with several trains is a task for one idle hour at most >:-D 13:40:24 <glx> if there are only action A it can be done in one hour 13:40:39 <planetmaker> including drawing? :-P 13:42:00 <planetmaker> hm... which actually gives me an idea for OpenGFX+Trains: activate railtype availability rail / mono / mglv via parameter... 13:42:33 <norbert79> planetmaker: Give it two for full-listing of all trains, including graphics 13:44:27 <norbert79> Everyone FYI: http://www.gimpusers.com/tutorials/gimp-2-8-features-preview-april-2010 13:44:40 <norbert79> I know it's a bit older, but still would be interesting for some 13:49:28 <planetmaker> hm, 16bit RAW support is interesting 13:50:22 <SmatZ> :) 13:52:46 <planetmaker> it has been so far the show-stopper for gimp becoming usable for photo editing 13:57:45 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:58:52 <norbert79> planetmaker: UFRaw 13:58:56 <norbert79> planetmaker: Works like charm 13:59:06 <norbert79> I know, it's a plugin only, but works! 14:02:16 <Belugas> raw? 14:02:18 <Belugas> photo? 14:02:19 <Belugas> mmh?? 14:02:50 <norbert79> Belugas: I was just mentioning planetmaker the UFRaw plugin for GIMP for handling RAW formats all sort 14:03:07 <norbert79> And there is Raw Therapee also open sourced by now 14:03:10 <norbert79> and freely available 14:03:52 <Belugas> ho.. 14:03:59 * Belugas will give it a try then :) 14:04:00 <norbert79> Ooh, UFRaw is available for all sort of OS-es too 14:04:02 <norbert79> wohoo 14:04:06 <norbert79> http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/Install.html 14:04:24 <norbert79> works like charm 14:04:32 <norbert79> tested using test-raw-s 14:05:23 <norbert79> http://www.rawsamples.ch/ 14:06:04 <norbert79> There are always two plugins which I always install in my GIMP installs: Seperate plugin for CYMK support and UFRaw 14:06:42 <norbert79> (and under CYMK support I mean CYMK TIFF handling) 14:25:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host20-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 14:33:22 <Wolf01> hello 14:34:16 <norbert79> Hello Wolf01 14:37:09 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 14:37:15 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 14:40:23 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-172.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:05:16 <Terkhen> hmmm... is there anyone who still uses the original map generator? 15:06:22 <Eddi|zuHause> a handful of extreme purists 15:07:25 <Terkhen> I guess they don't use the custom water level option either 15:08:34 <SmatZ> why? is the map full of water? 15:08:57 <Terkhen> worse, the map generation never ends 15:09:23 <Terkhen> I forgot that original map generation existed while coding that 15:09:27 <SmatZ> :) 15:12:28 <planetmaker> :-P 15:12:36 <planetmaker> but yes, people still use that 15:19:00 <Terkhen> the percentages don't make much sense with the original map generator... I'm thinking about just scaling between the values assigned to very low and high settings 15:20:05 <Yexo> Terkhen: non-water map borders also broke the original map generator, the problem wasn't noticed until 0.7.0-beta1 came out 15:20:10 <Yexo> so yes, some people use it, but not many 15:21:18 <Belugas> Sirkoz 15:21:30 * Belugas is bitchy 15:21:54 <Terkhen> and I only noticed this because I wanted to do a very rough map for testing ships 15:23:00 <Terkhen> hmmm... or I can just disable that value from the dropdown and set it to another thing if the map generator is set to original 15:23:36 *** Adambean` [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:59 *** Adambean` [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [] 15:26:06 <planetmaker> Wait for January... you'll get heaps of reports then ;-) 15:26:36 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:28:28 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:33:46 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:03 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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For one I just started a new game, selected Medium difficulty first and it said 4 competitors will be added. Started a new game, but only my company is listed under the company button. 18:54:27 <AveiMil> How do I add the AI's to the game? 18:56:56 <SmatZ> AveiMil: competitors start after a timeout 18:57:03 <SmatZ> if you want to start an AI just now, 18:57:03 <planetmaker> you need to download some AIs. Use the content download for that 18:57:12 <SmatZ> open a console by ~ and type start_ai 18:57:35 <planetmaker> or by "^" or ` or ... ;-) 18:57:39 <AveiMil> so they come along after a few years? 18:57:48 <planetmaker> usually yes. If you have AIs installed 18:57:57 <planetmaker> New installs of OpenTTD come without AIs. 18:57:59 <AveiMil> there's no default AI? 18:58:02 <planetmaker> No 18:58:15 <planetmaker> Or rather a dummy one which won't do much 18:59:25 <AveiMil> Which AI is recommended? 18:59:29 <AveiMil> There's so many. 19:00:08 <Alberth> they are all different. try a few, and keep what you like 19:00:34 <AveiMil> What do you like? 19:01:17 <Belugas> ice cream and coffee, thanks :) 19:01:49 <Alberth> SimpleAI PathZilla, and icecream and coffee 19:01:57 <Alberth> although I currently have tea 19:02:39 <Alberth> but I rarely play with AIs, so don't trust that choice too much :) 19:03:24 <Alberth> if you click them at the content download you get a short description 19:03:27 <AveiMil> hehe ok :) 19:03:53 <AveiMil> Another thing that bothered me a little. I started a new game, and customized my company info. 19:03:55 <Alberth> also, there is a NoAI forum discussing the AIs 19:04:00 <AveiMil> But when i start a new game, that's all gone agian. 19:04:17 <AveiMil> Any way to save that info? 19:04:55 <Alberth> except for a few things, anything you set from within a game is for that game only 19:05:32 <Alberth> so to survive it, you'd have to set it from the main menu. However, I don't seem to know a way to set it :( 19:05:47 <AveiMil> Bummer. 19:06:38 <AveiMil> Does the HQ serve any practical purpose? 19:06:42 <Terkhen> the only thing you can save from the company info is the manager face 19:06:58 <Terkhen> the HQ produces some passengers IIRC 19:30:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.207.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:42 <AveiMil> Do you always start with a Coal transport? 19:34:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r21082 /trunk/src/settings.cpp: -Fix (r21080): Compilation error. 19:36:04 <frosch123> no, farms are also fine, because thay have "lots" of stuff 19:39:19 <AveiMil> Do you pay maintenance for the railway tracks? 19:40:03 <Eddi|zuHause> maintenance for rail was discussed, but not implemented 19:42:24 <AveiMil> Does it matter how many blue squares are "touching" a coal mine? I have two coal mines fairly close, and if I build a long train station 2 squares will touch each coal mine. Is that equally effective as having all the squares touch the coal mine? (Blue squares as in coverage zone) 19:43:02 <Eddi|zuHause> one square is enough 19:43:18 <AveiMil> Thank you 19:44:06 <Eddi|zuHause> be aware of oil refineries, there it does matter ;) 19:45:38 <AveiMil> Oh? the more squares the better? 19:46:05 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause> not entirely. but you'll figure that out on your own. 19:47:20 <AveiMil> Ok. 19:47:35 <AveiMil> Man all the signal types are a bit overwhelming now as a newbie. 19:48:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r21083 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Limit the number of exceptions in the refittable cargo list to 7 (Eddi) 19:48:28 <Belugas> cool...now, i'm good for at least 2 years 19:49:16 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 19:49:20 <frosch123> you can add a timespan to dorpsgek kban command 19:49:24 <frosch123> :p 19:49:47 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 60*60*365*2+1 19:49:47 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 2628001 19:49:52 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 60*60*(365*2+1) 19:49:53 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 2631600 19:50:05 <frosch123> 60 hours a day? 19:50:14 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 60*60*(365*2+1)*24 19:50:14 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 63158400 19:50:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i knew i missed something 19:50:46 <Eddi|zuHause> @help kban 19:50:46 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: (kban [<channel>] [--{exact,nick,user,host}] <nick> [<seconds>] [<reason>]) -- If you have the #channel,op capability, this will kickban <nick> for as many seconds as you specify, or else (if you specify 0 seconds or don't specify a number of seconds) it will ban the person indefinitely. --exact bans only the exact hostmask; --nick bans just the nick; --user bans just the user, and --host bans just the (1 more message) 19:50:56 <Eddi|zuHause> it's in seconds 19:52:22 <planetmaker> wooohooo. Belugas is in a commit-spree 19:54:01 <Belugas> stuff that i drag for like 2 weeks :) 19:54:12 <Belugas> it just happens that today is a bit quieter 19:54:19 <Belugas> quieter? 19:54:24 <Belugas> more quite? 19:54:32 <Belugas> less buzy? 19:54:34 <planetmaker> more quiet ;-) 19:54:43 <Eddi|zuHause> more quiet probably ;) 19:54:59 * Belugas removes quieter from his dico 19:55:36 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:56:18 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:57:04 <andythenorth_> what's wrong with quieitieerr? 19:59:05 <frosch123> quieteer sounds militaristic 19:59:33 <Belugas> quiter 19:59:48 <planetmaker> queerer? 20:01:11 * Alberth proposes qu*er :p 20:01:22 <andythenorth_> quieter will do 20:02:16 <Belugas> mmh... i've got one... 20:02:19 <Belugas> beeeeer 20:02:45 <Eddi|zuHause> you're an hour early :p 20:03:05 <Alberth> not to mention a whole day? 20:10:01 <AveiMil> How long did it take for you guys to understand the signal system? 20:10:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a bad question 20:10:32 <Eddi|zuHause> we watched the signal system grow up 20:10:50 <AveiMil> ah 20:10:56 <AveiMil> this is confusing as hell :D 20:11:04 <Eddi|zuHause> it is not. 20:11:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the only signals you need are path signals 20:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the rightmost two signal types 20:11:52 <AveiMil> ah, so the other types are remnants of the past? 20:12:33 <Eddi|zuHause> well, they have a few niche uses 20:12:47 <Eddi|zuHause> but basically, yes. they are remnants from the past 20:13:44 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:21 <AveiMil> How do I delete signs? 20:14:37 <frosch123> click on them, and press delete? 20:14:58 <frosch123> (just a guess, never use signs) 20:15:22 <planetmaker> ctrl+click does the trick, too 20:15:27 <Eddi|zuHause> if you mean signals, use the 'r' key 20:15:28 <AveiMil> Ctrl click dosent seem to work. 20:15:46 <planetmaker> signals != signs 20:15:48 <Eddi|zuHause> signs are little pieces of text. do not confuse the two 20:16:01 <AveiMil> Whops, sorry. 20:16:06 <AveiMil> r, great, thanks. 20:18:37 <AveiMil> hmm, now I seem to be getting a message when trying to place Signals agian, "can't convert signals here", appears no matter where on the track I click. 20:19:00 <AveiMil> nvm 20:19:01 <Eddi|zuHause> unclick the "convert" button in the signal gui 20:19:55 <AveiMil> yeah silly me 20:20:40 <Alberth> frosch123: change the text to the empty string, actually 20:21:29 <frosch123> there is also a delete button (checked in the mean time) 20:27:20 <AveiMil> This is so amazing. Devs on this have done a wonderful job. 20:29:48 <AveiMil> Made my first signal railway system, yay. It wasent' so hard with the path signals. 20:30:36 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:31:24 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-242.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 20:42:10 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.28.143] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:44:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db81266.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:35 <AveiMil> This game requires a lot of APM, dosen't it? 20:54:59 <frosch123> not exactly 20:55:46 <frosch123> otoh, some patch it for ultra-slow mode to keep up with their APH 20:55:56 <frosch123> or so :p 20:57:00 <Eddi|zuHause> err... what? 20:57:03 <AveiMil> otoh? 20:57:35 <AveiMil> APM = Actions Per Minute :) 20:57:54 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: a unit from rts games 20:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause> 2 in 3 actions are pressing the F1 key ;) 20:58:42 <AveiMil> that's pause eh, can you do that in MP? 20:58:50 <Eddi|zuHause> likely not ;) 20:58:53 <frosch123> the server can 20:59:00 <frosch123> but i doubt anyone will compete :p 20:59:02 <AveiMil> So it's kind of like cheating when you do it in SP :) 20:59:20 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you also have the "build while paused" cheat ;) 20:59:49 <AveiMil> a cheat code? 21:00:34 <Eddi|zuHause> finding the cheats is left as an easy exercise for the reader 21:00:39 <AveiMil> I've built one railway system with 2 trains, and basically not done anything else the last 4 years, but still I*m #2 on the company league table, lol. 21:00:46 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.28.143] has joined #openttd 21:00:47 <AveiMil> Somehow I think these AI's aren't too strong 21:01:04 <AveiMil> I don't want cheat codes anyway :) 21:01:23 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:02:09 <Chris_Booth_> evenign all 21:02:35 <AveiMil> hello 21:03:13 <AveiMil> On the company screen it says (Company 1) behind my company name, can that be removed? Also, my company worth is ony £1, does that update? 21:04:47 <Belugas> change the company name. yes it does update 21:05:25 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:35 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 21:05:55 <AveiMil> The company name does not have (Company 1) in the text box. 21:07:03 <Eddi|zuHause> no, that can't be removed 21:07:40 <Eddi|zuHause> afair it used to say "(Player n)" for human companies, and nothing for AI companies 21:08:10 <Belugas> oh... that... 21:08:16 <AveiMil> Ok, what affects the company value? Mine is static at 1£ 21:08:21 <AveiMil> The other companies update. 21:08:32 <Belugas> 'cause they make money? 21:08:41 <Eddi|zuHause> AveiMil: assets plus bank balance minus bank loan 21:08:53 <AveiMil> lol ok 21:09:04 <AveiMil> are railway tracks assetts? 21:09:10 <Eddi|zuHause> probably not 21:09:33 <Eddi|zuHause> but vehicles are 21:09:44 <AveiMil> ok, thanks :) 21:09:53 <AveiMil> (I'm probably gonna ask a lot more stupid questions= 21:09:55 <AveiMil> ) 21:10:10 <Belugas> can i ask a stupid one too? 21:10:27 <Belugas> are you aware there's a wiki on the game? 21:10:43 <AveiMil> yeah, I'm reading that as I go 21:10:50 <Belugas> granted it's not the best ever documentation around, but you might find some incredible infos :) 21:10:55 <Belugas> oh :) ok! 21:10:56 <AveiMil> but find it hard to find answers to some of these small detail questions though. 21:11:00 <Belugas> happry reading then 21:12:13 <AveiMil> The signal documentation was fairly good. But it should perhaps highlight that really you should only worry about the Path signals as a beginner. 21:13:19 <AveiMil> Time to read about subsidy 21:15:58 <AveiMil> I'm so glad I thought of this game and decided to google Transport Tycoon, I'm delighted OpenTTD exists. 21:16:53 <Alberth> You are aware of the fact that it is a wiki? 21:18:43 <AveiMil> ? 21:19:06 <Alberth> (10:12:57 PM) AveiMil: The signal documentation was fairly good. But it should perhaps highlight that really you should only worry about the Path signals as a beginner. <-- you can make that change 21:20:25 <AveiMil> good point 21:21:22 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host20-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:21:23 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest1939 21:21:23 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 21:25:22 *** Guest1939 [~wolf01@host20-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:53 <AveiMil> I'm a bit confused on prototype viechles, when they are offered, are they offered for free? Or do I still have to purchase them for the regular amount? 21:26:49 <AveiMil> and when the final release is out, will mine be automatically udpated or will I still be huffing and puffing in the old prototypes until I update manually? 21:26:49 <Alberth> you have to buy them 21:26:58 <Ammler> Rubidium: how do I see, if the openttd is compiled without icu? 21:27:08 <Ammler> I tried that but it seems not working 21:27:15 <Rubidium> ldd? 21:27:39 <Wolf01> any dev interested on a OTTDcon in Venice on Sep 2011? 21:27:43 <Alberth> AveiMil: the only change is that you can use the offered vehicles earlier than your competitors (if you have them :) ) 21:27:45 *** SgobbiT [~sgobbit@host112-16-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:28:05 <AveiMil> Hmm, ok, but the Wiki says "Vehicles are occasionally offered to your company as an exclusive prototype; these prototype versions will have lower reliability than the final release a year later. " 21:28:09 <Ammler> yes, icu is out but the issue stays 21:28:22 <AveiMil> so is the reliabilty of the train is improved automatically after that year? 21:28:54 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:04 <Alberth> yes, it changes just like normally, even during that first year 21:29:33 <Rubidium> Ammler: oh, then I solved the issue with printing those text direction characters without ICU differently 21:29:35 <AveiMil> ok thanks 21:30:48 <Ammler> --with-icu="0" in the config.cache 21:30:55 <Ammler> and no icu in ldd 21:31:42 <Rubidium> as I said, then I've fixed the "without ICU" problem differently 21:32:40 <Qantourisc> is it "safe" to convert normal rail to electric rail ? 21:33:03 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF882B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:33:18 <Ammler> just don't touch the tracks, if you install the wire 21:33:21 <Rubidium> even then, why does this break the chat bridge? Seems that the bridge is quite fragile in this case 21:33:32 <Qantourisc> Ammler: using the convert tool 21:33:42 <Ammler> we aren't able to remove the control char 21:33:51 <Ammler> (we=dih) 21:34:58 <Rubidium> sounds like a lame programming language if that isn't supported 21:35:05 <Ammler> yep, it is 21:35:33 <Ammler> but it is still the only wrapper avaialable :-) 21:35:49 <AveiMil> How does the goods transport distance factor in how much money (income) you get from x tons of goods? 21:36:14 <AveiMil> http://wiki.openttd.org/Cargo_income 21:36:14 <AveiMil> ah 21:36:15 <AveiMil> :D 21:36:25 <frosch123> Wolf01: r25000 ? 21:36:29 <Ammler> reverting your fix works but some don't like me patching the servers ;-) 21:36:39 <Wolf01> it might be 21:36:59 <frosch123> anything special about venice in september? 21:38:28 <Wolf01> uhm... the weather 21:38:57 <Rubidium> Ammler: http://wiki.tcl.tk/515 <- kinda implies that you should be able filter it out in tcl 21:41:24 <__ln__> Wolf01: cake? 21:41:34 <Wolf01> always 21:42:02 <dih> hehe 21:42:19 <Rubidium> frosch123: maybe the milkshake machines of McDonalds work in september? 21:42:21 <dih> the char is noted i.e. when getting the byte or string lenght 21:42:35 <dih> and the first 'readable' char is then at position 1 21:43:00 <Ammler> is that now always the case? 21:43:03 <dih> however it seems impossible to address that very one char 21:43:21 <dih> like i said, you could replace the == 0 with == 1 ^^ 21:43:36 <Ammler> yeah, that worked partially only 21:43:54 <Rubidium> just string replace it out 21:44:01 <dih> yes, because of the split 21:44:10 <dih> Rubidium, tried ^^ 21:44:16 <dih> i cannot address it 21:44:44 <dih> e.g. say we read "[All] foobar: hi" 21:45:02 <Qantourisc> DANG 21:45:03 <dih> [ is found at position 1, however reading position 0 from the string return [ 21:45:10 <Qantourisc> replaceing with electric trains is costly ! 21:45:24 <dih> tcl really sucks in that case 21:45:30 <Rubidium> dih: put sed in between or something? 21:45:43 <dih> a system call? ... hmmm 21:45:55 <dih> or just let ap+ die and use a better language ^^ 21:45:59 <dih> and a better interface 21:46:02 <Rubidium> no, a pipe 21:46:08 <Ammler> next year :-P 21:46:09 <dih> (yes, i consider java > tcl) 21:46:19 <planetmaker> dih: yes. But it's no immediate solution 21:46:48 <Ammler> Rubidium: maybe there is a better patch then reverting the whole fix? 21:46:57 <planetmaker> and you have to conceede, that the joan and grapes cannot yet completely replace ap+ 21:47:05 <Rubidium> i.e. instead of starting "openttd" start "openttd | sed s/...//" 21:47:19 <dih> planetmaker, of course it cannot replace ap+ just yet 21:47:30 <planetmaker> but we run the servers just yet ;-) 21:47:44 <xiong> Is there any documentation for NARS rail vehicle length? They are not all 1/2 tile. 21:48:04 <Ammler> xiong: what does the readme say? 21:48:37 <dih> planetmaker, i am sure there is something you can do for ap+ to keep running 21:48:50 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 21:48:54 <dih> it still works fine on the current stable 21:49:00 <dih> and you run a patched nightly anyway 21:49:08 <Ammler> nah, it won't on 1.0.5 21:49:28 <Ammler> the fix is backported 21:49:30 <dih> and you can try the pipe idea 21:49:33 *** SgobbiT [~sgobbit@host112-16-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #openttd [] 21:50:08 <Rubidium> Ammler: revert the bits that add the actual characters, but then I *won't* guarantee the bug is fixed for your clients 21:50:14 <xiong> Ammler, Looked through it but maybe I missed something. 21:50:49 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:51:05 <dih> or instead of running the pipe from the side of ap+, wrap the call to openttd in a shell script which removes the nasty char 21:51:17 <dih> that way you will avoid tcl ever seeing that nasty char 21:51:24 <dih> and thus avoid tcl mucking up (yet again) 21:51:30 <Ammler> how do I do that? 21:51:37 <Rubidium> didn't I suggest that like 5 minutes ago? 21:51:47 <Ammler> what is ...? 21:51:59 <dih> Rubidium, if the pipe is done inside tcl, it mike break that char again 21:52:02 <Ammler> or how do I find that? 21:52:06 <dih> hence the shell script outside of tcl 21:52:17 <xiong> Yah, Ammler; no readme in the tarball. 21:52:23 <Rubidium> if it's done inside tcl it is not *between* openttd and tcl 21:52:34 <planetmaker> xiong: and google is broken and offline, too, I assume 21:52:34 <Ammler> xiong: there is a pikkawiki or something 21:53:02 <dih> Rubidium, i mean, tcl starts ./openttd, even if tcl starts ./openttd | sed ... 21:53:29 <dih> chances are that it could muck up the char, if tcl starts ./script.sh, it does not see that char 21:53:33 <AveiMil> What is the varierty distribution game option? 21:53:35 <xiong> planetmaker, I have googled hard. Ammler, there is indeed a pikkawiki; it has few pages, apparently, and although engines are discussed in detail, even those do not have lengths listed. 21:53:50 <Eddi|zuHause> AveiMil: it makes some parts of the map flat and other parts hilly 21:53:54 <Ammler> xiong: then ask in the forums thread 21:54:02 <dih> why would anybody google 'hard' :-P 21:54:06 <AveiMil> ty 21:54:21 <xiong> dih, Because googling easy didn't turn up the info. 21:54:24 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: image search with filter off? 21:54:42 <dih> Eddi|zuHause, that was the thought that kinda discusted me 21:54:43 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:46 <xiong> I followed all sorts of links into bitchy threads that were only tangentially related. No dope found. 21:56:03 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 21:56:19 <xiong> Ammler, I'll try that, if I can figure out which is the "real" NARS thread, more or less. 21:57:43 <Ammler> it should be quite on top 21:57:47 <Rubidium> Wolf01: what are your plans with such a conference? 21:58:02 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 21:59:25 <Wolf01> I don't have any plan but partecipate, other people asked me if I could ask if somebody of you may be interested on it 21:59:40 <xiong> Y'know, guys, just for the record: I have roughly a hundred browser tabs open to one TTD page or another. There's no call for suggesting I don't look. I may not know where to look and even if I do, I may not find. 22:00:15 <dih> Wolf01, someone is organizing a ottd conf? 22:00:22 <Wolf01> yes 22:00:26 <dih> someone != you? 22:00:33 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:00:35 <frosch123> Wolf01: you mean, it is already settled, and they want some star guests? 22:00:44 <dih> this is amuzing 22:00:54 <dih> amusing even 22:00:56 <xiong> I have so many pages open that Chrome is eating almost as much CPU as openttd itself. 22:01:52 <Wolf01> they want to replace the debian conference with an open source game conference 22:02:06 <Wolf01> and they seem to have chose ottd 22:02:19 <dih> HAHA 22:02:26 <planetmaker> woot? 22:02:35 <planetmaker> it's not April 1st ;-) 22:02:47 <dih> Wolf01, get the devs 'invited' 22:02:58 <dih> have one or 2 of them hold talks :-D 22:03:33 <Eddi|zuHause> pay them their trip ;) 22:03:39 <Rubidium> there wasn't even a Venice bid for DebConf11 22:03:54 <Wolf01> just to talk about management of an open source game, the relation with the community... 22:04:25 <Wolf01> ehm, local conferences, not international ones :P 22:05:15 <Eddi|zuHause> good luck finding ottd devs local to venice :p 22:05:37 <dih> Rubidium, you need a PR dev :-P 22:05:45 * planetmaker hides 22:06:06 <frosch123> celestar might be nearest#+ 22:06:17 <frosch123> bah, hitting three keys :s 22:06:42 <dih> how do you interact with the community - may i pick the nicks to be considered ? :-P 22:07:02 <Wolf01> ...and the con will end in a mega openttd lan party, cakes will be present 22:07:03 <Rubidium> promote Wolf01 as dev for a day :) 22:07:08 <Wolf01> ahahahahaha 22:07:46 <Rubidium> maybe sponsor Belugas to come over? Probably needs two extra tickets though 22:07:59 <frosch123> :p 22:08:03 <Wolf01> I'm already pressing him :P 22:09:15 *** TinoDid|znc [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 22:09:41 <Rubidium> well, I've "almost" been in Venice this summer 22:10:05 <frosch123> was the french railway _that_ bad? :p 22:10:42 <Rubidium> no, the alternative was some night train to Venice IIRC 22:11:13 <Rubidium> and then I had to change *very* early (04:00-ish) in the morning, after entering the train quite late (12:00-ish) 22:11:49 <Rubidium> so, closest I can this summer was Genova 22:11:49 <avdg> not my first time to stand up that early to catch a train :) 22:11:59 <avdg> *to me 22:12:15 <avdg> uh whatever 22:12:19 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:19 *** TinoDid|znc is now known as TinoDidriksen 22:13:38 <Rubidium> avdg: but with a 24+ hour train ride I rather have a period where I can properly sleep 22:13:55 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 22:14:00 <avdg> I don't want to sleep on a train 22:14:11 <avdg> I didn't it too on an aircraft 22:14:23 <avdg> with a flight around 13 houres 22:15:02 <Rubidium> why wouldn't you want to sleep on a train if it takes more than 24 hours? 22:15:29 <Rubidium> black country side becomes boring pretty quickly 22:15:34 <avdg> because I can :p 22:17:29 <Eddi|zuHause> you can book sleeping cabins 22:18:08 <Eddi|zuHause> we did that when i was a child. overnight train to the sea 22:18:26 <Eddi|zuHause> starts at midnight, arrives around 6-ish 22:18:57 <Eddi|zuHause> from Leipzig to Binz (RÃŒgen) 22:19:03 <Rubidium> Luxembough-Nice starts around 20:00, arrives around 09:00 (if on schedule) 22:19:25 <Rubidium> it would actually go to Ventimiglia if Monaco wasn't such a mess 22:19:30 <Eddi|zuHause> don't know if these train connections still exist 22:21:28 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe180.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:11 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:24:37 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-242.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:40 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:25:36 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently train connection to venice is quite good. ~12:30 22:27:08 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-89-102-137-248.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:27:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Halle->Naumburg (local train) (0:40), Naumburg->MÃŒnchen (ICE) (4:20), MÃŒnchen->Venezia (EC) (6:40), with about 45min time in MÃŒnchen 22:28:16 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 22:28:56 <Terkhen> good night 22:29:10 <avdg> gn 22:29:47 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: can't find a Munchen-Venice taking less than 7:09 22:30:19 <Rubidium> and there's a change of trains in Verona 22:30:33 <Eddi|zuHause> or overnight, 14:40: Halle->MÃŒnchen (ICE) (4:45), MÃŒnchen->Venezia (CNL) (7:40) 22:31:36 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 22:32:03 <Eddi|zuHause> MÃŒnchen Hbf Fr, 02.09.11 ab 11:31 EC 87 Eurocity Bordrestaurant 22:32:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Venezia Santa Lucia Fr, 02.09.11 an 18:10 22:32:40 <Eddi|zuHause> or: MÃŒnchen Hbf Fr, 02.09.11 ab 21:02 CNL 363 City Night Line Reservierungspflicht, Fahrradmitnahme reservierungspflichtig, Fahrradmitnahme begrenzt möglich, in Sitzw. nur 2.Kl., Schlafwagen, Liegewagen, Imbiss und GetrÀnke beim Schlaf-/Liegewagenbetreuer erhÀltlich, City Night Line 22:32:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Venezia Santa Lucia Sa, 03.09.11 an 06:38 22:32:46 <Rubidium> oh, you're looking almost a year in the future 22:32:57 * Rubidium was looking at tomorrow 22:32:57 <Eddi|zuHause> he said sep 2011 ;) 22:33:33 <Rubidium> problem is that many trains aren't certain/known until 2-3 months before it's going to run 22:35:21 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 22:35:38 *** holyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 22:35:46 <Eddi|zuHause> tomorrow, there's a connection: Halle->Naumburg->MÃŒnchen->Villach->Venezia (14:30) 22:36:14 <Rubidium> it'd be like 17:30 for me with basically two choices: arrive at 06:30 or arrive at 14:30 22:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause> and the one i gave earlier is still valid 22:37:20 <Rubidium> and that "route" isn't available for tomorrow, just one that's 2 hours shorter (and on a single day) 22:38:27 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't imagine anything useful to do in Villach between 3:51 and 4:45 22:39:04 <Eddi|zuHause> but start would be 18:00 and arrival 8:34 22:39:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and it can't give me a price 22:41:28 <Wolf01> what about the aircraft? the conference will be next the airport 22:42:16 <planetmaker> eindhoven - pisa is available for about 50⬠22:42:27 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:32 <planetmaker> but pisa is not venice ;-) 22:42:34 <Wolf01> pisa is on the other side of Italy 22:43:19 <Eddi|zuHause> LEJ-VCE seems to be 130 to 160⬠22:44:03 <Eddi|zuHause> but you neve know if that is really the full price, or if they add taxes etc. later on 22:44:36 *** holyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:55 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and they make you switch in FRA 22:47:59 <Eddi|zuHause> oh... and when you actually search for the flights, they get like 50% more expensive 22:50:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE5E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:55 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-52.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:53:51 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:48 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 22:55:18 <__ln__> how do i do something to each element of a list in python? there must be a simple way. 22:55:26 <Eddi|zuHause> map 22:55:44 <Eddi|zuHause> map(lambda:, list) 22:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause> or so 22:56:38 <__ln__> thanks 22:58:11 <glx> <@Rubidium> problem is that many trains aren't certain/known until 2-3 months before it's going to run <-- like lunea corail ;) 22:58:51 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:25 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 23:01:35 <Eddi|zuHause> it probably differs from country to country. e.g. in germany, it is known one year in advance on which platform the train will go, while in france, the platform is decided 20 minutes before the train will go [at least on big stations] 23:02:27 <Xaroth> in holland they can decide all they want, but the trains won't be there on time anyhow. 23:03:04 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: my reference was about the Luxembough-Nice train :) 23:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know that one 23:03:48 <glx> and IIRC it was less than 2-3 months before the start date 23:04:37 <glx> I searched the schedules for Rubidium ;) 23:07:37 <glx> not easy to find as they are not TGV 23:07:50 <glx> like everything that's not TGV indeed :) 23:08:54 <Eddi|zuHause> SNCF doesn't list non-SNCF trains? 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