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00:01:39 <Samu> transporting 1 tile away rewards me £10 00:01:46 <Samu> 2 tiles £25 00:01:52 <Samu> 3 tiles £40 00:01:57 <Samu> why's that? 00:03:50 <Samu> 4 tiles £50 00:11:27 <glx> check the cargo payment graph 00:12:17 <Samu> I found an error in english string 00:12:29 <Samu> when both full load any cargo and unload all are set 00:12:49 <Samu> the order reads (Unload and wait for any full load) 00:12:57 <Samu> should read 00:13:14 <Samu> any cargo 00:13:19 <Samu> or am I wrong 00:13:21 <Samu> lol confused 00:13:48 <Samu> ok, when I click full load any cargo the order says 00:13:54 <Samu> (full load any cargo) 00:14:00 <Samu> now I click Unload all 00:14:02 <Samu> and it says 00:14:18 <Samu> (unload and wait for any full load) 00:14:26 <Samu> is it correct? 00:15:03 <Samu> trying with full load first now 00:15:20 <Samu> Full load all cargo > (Full load) 00:15:45 <Samu> Full load all cargo + Unload > (Unload and wait for full load) 00:16:05 <Samu> nevermind, false alarm 00:17:54 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.209.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:22:02 <Samu> something else, a vehicle transfering cargo from 1 to 2 and then delivering it from 2 to 3 gains less than a vehicle unloading cargo from 1 to 2 and then delivering from 2 to 3 00:24:18 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 00:27:33 <Belugas> dear Samu, i'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but may I suggest you study the game and its mechanisms for a while before actually bringing alarms that are inmost cases false? 00:27:51 <Belugas> you do have some points, sometimes. but it's not the majority of the time 00:27:57 <Belugas> and... well.. it's poltion... 00:30:51 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:30:56 <Belugas> pollution... sorry 00:32:51 <Samu> nevermind, it gains the same 00:32:56 <Samu> ya, I'm sorry 00:33:50 <Samu> whoever did the transfer system was a genious 00:33:52 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 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seconds] 08:22:59 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-73-222.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:23:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:32:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AEA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:39 <AveiMil> Hoi! 08:36:50 <AveiMil> Train buffs, is there any elegant solution to this problem? 08:36:51 <AveiMil> http://www.aveimil.com/OpenTTD/trains/undesired.jpg 08:37:49 <AveiMil> I want that train coming from the east which has been told to unload at Quartown Heights to sit there and wait until the oil tanker train has left the platform instead of going down south. 08:41:31 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 08:49:32 <Ammler> AveiMil: no signals on single lines 08:56:01 <AveiMil> oh wait I think I know waht the problem was, I was missing a piece of track 08:56:12 <AveiMil> so it HAD to go down south to turn lol 09:00:19 <ccfreak2k> Yep. 09:00:26 <ccfreak2k> Couldn't make the turn anyway. 09:10:48 *** asnoehu 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fun :-) 11:24:22 <planetmaker> thanks Belugas for the nice treatise on realism I can link :-) 11:24:47 <Rubidium> planetmaker: but a tile is 686 kilometer! 11:24:55 <planetmaker> :-) 11:25:21 <planetmaker> You should reply then and rectify my completely off-scale answer :-) 11:30:24 <Rubidium> noes :) 11:30:39 <planetmaker> :-) 11:31:03 <Rubidium> although I'm not 100% sure about the 686 km 11:31:58 <Ammler> what is a Angstrom? 11:32:58 <planetmaker> 10**-10 m 11:33:00 <Ammler> ah, wikipedia knows :-) 11:33:16 <planetmaker> actually it was a Danish scientist 11:33:55 <planetmaker> thus basically the unit I gave was 0.1m 11:34:40 <Ammler> but your initial answer is quite exact already 11:37:03 <planetmaker> Both answers are the same ;-) 11:37:19 <planetmaker> even the link :-P 11:37:40 <planetmaker> after all the question was also exactly the same. 11:45:39 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:59 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ce17.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:56:31 *** Thror [~chatzilla@150.214.220.250] has joined #openttd 11:56:47 <Thror> hi 12:03:51 <avdg> hi 12:23:12 <AveiMil> yo 12:23:31 <AveiMil> is there any way to have infrastructure such as rail tracks be apart of your assetts? 12:31:10 <SmatZ> there is an infrastructure sharing patch, if that's what you mean 12:33:50 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 12:35:10 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.104.150] has joined #openttd 12:35:32 <Thror> does anyone know how the function SetFallbackFont works? 12:37:32 <Thror> I'm working in a font settings gui patch and I'm not sure about if that function is working properly 12:41:34 <AveiMil> No, like trains are considered company assetts and increase your company value 12:41:41 <AveiMil> Kind of would like tracks to be the same way 12:45:10 <SmatZ> I think that's not possible 12:45:40 *** RjR [RjR@seagate.surgehost.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:41 <planetmaker> [13:36] <Thror> does anyone know how the function SetFallbackFont works? <-- that depends. Every OS has its own implementation 12:49:19 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:49:40 <planetmaker> The idea is such that some string is taken and then it is determined whether all characters of that string have a representation within that font. This is checked as long as a font is found that matches all glyphs within that string 12:50:55 <planetmaker> it's implemented in fontcache.cpp 12:51:09 <SmatZ> I think all strings in openttd (in your lang file) are checked 12:51:21 <planetmaker> probably, yes. 12:52:05 <planetmaker> But it actually has a parameter *str which is checked... 12:52:21 <Thror> so if I'm using a font with no chinese character and i choose chinise languaje should change the font that I'm using? 12:52:29 <planetmaker> sure 12:52:41 <planetmaker> that's what openttd does 12:52:44 <planetmaker> automatically 12:52:53 <SmatZ> if there is such a font :) 12:53:04 <planetmaker> just switch to Chinese and you'll see that another font is chosen. 12:53:09 <planetmaker> Of course, if available :-) 12:53:20 <planetmaker> But I have few (any at all?) language which I cannot show :-P 12:53:20 <Thror> that's not working 12:53:34 <planetmaker> works for me :-P 12:53:42 *** saronpasu [~saronpasu@catv075-208.lan-do.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:45 <planetmaker> depends on your installed fonts, of course 12:53:47 <SmatZ> maybe openttd can't use any font that has all characters you need 12:53:58 <SmatZ> I think there are some limitations on some OSs, too 12:53:59 <planetmaker> And on *nix whether you have freetype and fontconfig 12:54:06 <Rubidium> SetFallbackFont uses different parameters for different platforms 12:54:12 <planetmaker> ^ 12:54:25 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:615b:cbb8:3312:5f3e] has joined #openttd 12:54:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:54:37 <planetmaker> and sometimes also different versions on the same platform ;-) 12:55:04 <Thror> i'm using arial font, in windows, if i select chinese the font doesent changes but don't show chinises characters 12:55:07 <Rubidium> e.g. windows uses the winlangid, OSX uses the string or iso code depending on OS version, fontconfig uses the iso code and finally if you've got no font "detection" it'll just "fail" 12:55:33 <Thror> if i edit the cfg file and use arial unicode ms it works 12:55:50 <glx> arial != arial unicode ;) 12:56:29 <Thror> i known, but it supposed that setfallbackfont should do the change 12:56:53 <planetmaker> I guess it just doesn't work perfectly on (your) windows system then 12:57:14 <Thror> i've tested also in ubuntu 10.04 12:57:17 <SmatZ> is SetFallbackFont called when you have manually specified font in the cfg? 12:57:37 <planetmaker> good question 12:58:05 <Rubidium> yes, but it does some magic stuff 12:58:56 <Thror> i'm not sure, i supposed that it's called when i open openttd after change the cfg 12:59:46 <Rubidium> it's called whenever a new language is loaded 13:00:11 <SmatZ> Thror: it should work when you remove the font from your cfg 13:00:16 <Rubidium> and maybe even whenever a language is loaded 13:00:29 <glx> let's set arial and try switching to chinese :) 13:00:40 <SmatZ> glx: it fails for me :) 13:00:50 <SmatZ> but works when I remove the font from cfg 13:00:59 <SmatZ> well, "fails" 13:01:06 <glx> but I'm on windows ;) 13:01:10 <SmatZ> I think it is expected to behave that way 13:01:12 <SmatZ> :) 13:01:29 <glx> compiling for now 13:02:02 <planetmaker> hm, I guess I never set a font as it works nicely automatically for me :-) 13:02:11 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:17 <SmatZ> :) 13:03:26 <glx> planetmaker: sometimes the chosen font is not optimal 13:03:51 <glx> even if it contains all needed chars 13:03:54 <planetmaker> might be. But I found it quite optimal for all languages I tried so far. Which is most :-) 13:04:36 <planetmaker> Unable to use 'arial' for medium font, FreeType reported error 0x1, using sprite font instead <-- seems I need to find another font name to test pre-set font :-) 13:04:36 <glx> but usually increasing font size is enough :) 13:05:08 <glx> try verdana maybe 13:05:56 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:47 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:08:17 <Thror> SmatZ: it works when you remove the font from cfg but, should work without remove it? I'd like to know if it's some kind of bug or if i have to manage that case in my patch 13:08:59 <planetmaker> of course a good font should also be selected when there are missing ones in the pre-selected one 13:09:23 <planetmaker> or at least an error message be shown that not all glyphs have a valid representation 13:09:29 <planetmaker> (upon start-up) 13:09:44 <planetmaker> which tells that this might be due to having force-fully selected a font 13:10:13 <glx> I guess we assume that the user knows what he does when he sets a font :) 13:10:29 <planetmaker> a quite unsafe assumption usually 13:10:35 <planetmaker> user never know what they do ;-) 13:10:42 * SmatZ agrees with glx 13:11:09 <planetmaker> but then... it's a config-file only setting. Those user *should* know what they do. 13:12:18 <Thror> but i'm doing a gui patch for that settings 13:13:03 <glx> hmm it seems there's no 'validity' check on language change 13:13:15 <planetmaker> validity as in... ? 13:13:40 <glx> as in check the font can display the glyphs 13:13:58 <glx> at least I see nothing about it in the console 13:15:19 <glx> hmm with arial I can even start openttd in chinese without warnings 13:15:28 <glx> so I blame the font 13:16:33 <avdg> which font is good in multiple charsets? 13:16:45 <avdg> I think we won't get the answers in 10 years 13:17:28 <glx> no font contains all glyphs ;) 13:17:53 <glx> but arial unicode ms is not bad 13:18:03 <glx> (comes with MS Office) 13:18:15 <avdg> a ms font was I thought the best one 13:18:17 <avdg> but not free 13:18:29 <avdg> could be arial 13:18:42 <glx> arial is very limited 13:19:38 <avdg> arial unicode ms seems very good if I check the first results on google 13:19:43 <Terkhen> I use arial unicode ms when I'm testing RTL stuff too 13:20:07 <planetmaker> "good" is certainly relative... on OSX Bjarni removed some fonts to be considered at all: /* Skip some inappropriate or ugly looking fonts that have better alternatives. */ 13:20:40 <avdg> lol 13:21:03 <Terkhen> IMO that should be judged by the user... at least the "uglyness" part 13:21:04 <glx> hmm looks like font check doesn't work well, or all fonts I tried are "broken" 13:22:34 <planetmaker> I tend to agree, Terkhen 13:25:24 <glx> or it's freetype returning a square glyph when we request a non existing one 13:25:45 <avdg> http://www.ascenderfonts.com/font/arial-unicode.aspx <- :o 13:27:14 <planetmaker> hm, it doesn't make a difference for me whether I remove those 'ugly' fonts from the list of acceptable fonts or not 13:27:30 * Terkhen wonders how these kind of pages have any clients with those prices 13:28:07 <Terkhen> planetmaker: -Cleanup: ... 13:28:14 <planetmaker> Terkhen: if you want to sell an app and can include that font for that price... 13:28:25 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 13:29:59 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has joined #openttd 13:32:23 <planetmaker> well... testing those which I do have on my system: they are indeed quite ugly 13:33:04 <Terkhen> how much? 13:33:17 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:33:29 <planetmaker> http://img.openttdcoop.org/images/bildscppp.png <--especially this one ;-) 13:35:02 <Terkhen> it also does not seem to make any sense 13:35:22 <Terkhen> unless the characters have some small differences I'm not being able to discern 13:35:27 <avdg> fantasy fonts? 13:35:45 <Terkhen> fantasy as in "imagine what is written here"? 13:36:11 <planetmaker> that one is called 'LastResort'. Probably it means 'draw every glyph as this character' 13:36:11 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:16 <planetmaker> which is somewhat stupid 13:36:50 * avdg doesn't have that font in his fontlibrary 13:37:36 <Terkhen> it sounds as it could be safely ignored unless it is the only font installed 13:37:48 <Terkhen> s/as it/as if it/ 13:38:53 <glx> hmm we don't call FT_Get_Char_Index() 13:39:10 <glx> Note that this is one of the rare FreeType functions that do not return an error code. However, when a given character code has no glyph image in the face, the value 0 is returned. By convention, it always corresponds to a special glyph image called the missing glyph, which is commonly displayed as a box or a space. 13:39:27 <glx> maybe we should call it somewhere :) 13:39:53 *** lewymati [~lewymati@dynamic-78-8-3-30.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #openttd 13:39:54 <avdg> or box with numbers 13:42:45 *** saronpasu [~saronpasu@catv075-208.lan-do.ne.jp] has joined #openttd 13:42:51 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-109-230.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 13:42:54 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2E03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:07 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:12 <avdg> hmm, looks like my current font in the browser doesn't support numbered replacement characters 13:46:11 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC29F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:46:31 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:49 <planetmaker> Hm... is there a way to give priority of one font over another? 13:47:07 <planetmaker> I guess only when I add it :-P 13:47:30 <Rubidium> remove the fonts with the lower priority? 13:47:50 * glx tries something in GetGlyph() 13:48:33 <Rubidium> maybe you can fiddle a bit with whatever ATSUI(?) returns, e.g. add support so the framework returns the fonts in the "best" order? 13:49:02 <planetmaker> ATSUI it'll have to be for 10.4 support, yes 13:49:28 <planetmaker> Given the possibility to need a list for the user-font selection anyway, such list will be needed 13:50:18 <planetmaker> And... I guess the user should only be given the choice of fonts which match the currently used glyphs. 13:51:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21230 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix/Change/Feature: [NewGRF] Make positioning of diesel fumes and electric sparks actually work (Hirundo). 13:51:42 <planetmaker> lol :-) 13:58:48 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has joined #openttd 14:00:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21231 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Generalize the naming of some settings and variables related to visual effects (Hirundo) 14:02:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21232 /trunk/src/ (train.h train_cmd.cpp vehicle_base.h): -Codechange: Move cached_vis_effect from the TrainCache to the VehicleCache (Hirundo) 14:03:33 <Belugas> hi ho 14:03:54 <Terkhen> hello Belugas 14:03:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21233 /trunk/src/ (train_cmd.cpp vehicle_base.h): -Codechange: Introduce an enum to remove some magic numbers from the visual effect code (Hirundo) 14:07:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21234 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Make Train::UpdateVisualEffect work for all vehicle types (Hirundo) 14:07:06 <Belugas> [06:25] <@planetmaker> thanks Belugas for the nice treatise on realism I can link :-) <-- i loved to see the user kinda rebooted following your answer :D 14:07:28 <planetmaker> :-) 14:07:49 <Thror> i've have to go, i'll be back later 14:07:58 <Thror> bye 14:08:08 *** Thror [~chatzilla@150.214.220.250] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026210630]] 14:08:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21235 /trunk/src/ (train.h train_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp vehicle_base.h): -Codechange: Move Train::UpdateVisualEffect to the Vehicle class (Hirundo) 14:11:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21236 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Make the visual effects drawing routine work for all vehicle types (Hirundo) 14:11:52 <Eddi|zuHause> that might be interesting for andythenorth ;) 14:14:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21237 /trunk/src/ (train_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp vehicle_base.h): -Codechange: Move HandleLocomotiveSmokeCloud to Vehicle::ShowVisualEffect (Hirundo) 14:16:22 <planetmaker> pony time for andy :-) 14:17:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21238 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_callbacks.h roadveh_cmd.cpp ship_cmd.cpp): -Feature: [NewGRF] Support callback 0x10 for RVs and ships (Hirundo) 14:18:33 <Eddi|zuHause> so... eGRVTS steam trams? 14:18:48 <planetmaker> if you want 14:19:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21239 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange/Fix: [NewGRF] Use 0xFF instead of 0 as default value for visual effect. This makes setting train prop 22 to 0 actually work (Hirundo) 14:19:37 <planetmaker> also: welcome back home ;-) 14:22:16 <Belugas> On the linked topic, I loved peter1138s answer: "It is a game. Please ignore scale." 14:22:32 <Terkhen> :) 14:30:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A4D8.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A4D8.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:31:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21240 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: [NewGRF] Implement action0 visual effect properties for ships and RVs (Hirundo) 14:31:49 *** norbert791 [~Norbi@92-249-141-146.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 14:36:15 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@92-249-141-146.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:41:59 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:54 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 14:57:48 * Hirundo returns to find a few highlights waiting for him 14:57:58 <Terkhen> :D 14:59:27 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 15:02:46 <Hirundo> Thanks for trunking so quickly, Rubidium 15:03:14 <Rubidium> now go an fix the specs :) 15:03:55 <Hirundo> hmm.. I can't seem to reach *.openttd.org 15:04:05 <planetmaker> you're not alone 15:05:50 * avdg hate broken pin on lan cable 15:06:12 <planetmaker> wifi cable? ;-) 15:06:19 <avdg> no, lan :p 15:07:27 <avdg> but that piece that was broken, actually never worked (as it should) 15:08:05 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.54.90] has joined #openttd 15:13:25 *** pyth [~dirkjan@D4B24892.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 15:18:10 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-177.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 15:30:41 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:34 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:34:44 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 15:34:48 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:48 *** Thror [~chatzilla@88.22.104.129] has joined #openttd 15:37:54 <Thror> hi 15:38:10 <planetmaker> ho 15:38:11 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF83A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:38:38 <Terkhen> hi Thror 15:44:14 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:50:22 *** green-devil [~agw@h195.natout.aau.dk] has quit [] 15:58:47 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 16:04:11 <Belugas> nice shot, Hirundo :) 16:04:42 <Belugas> poor Rubidium, he must get tired on writing your name in his commits 16:05:09 <planetmaker> Birds don't put much of a burden, if they fly on their own ;-) 16:05:42 <Hirundo> My pipeline is empty for now :) 16:05:58 <planetmaker> Do you want work? I have an idea... :-) 16:06:10 <planetmaker> A newgrf flag for trains: shunting 16:06:20 <Ammler> update is2 :-P 16:06:20 <planetmaker> if enabled, the train doesn't visually turn around anymore 16:07:02 <Belugas> is2? bad idea for a clean reputation... my opinion 16:07:12 <planetmaker> why? 16:07:24 <Ammler> it is "his" patch :-P 16:07:29 <planetmaker> also... his name is quite bound to IS2 ;-) 16:07:31 <Belugas> gives me goose bumps 16:07:58 <Belugas> but... i have to admit... it's one of the biggest requests... 16:08:07 <planetmaker> though there was a reason to abandon it or put it on hiatus 16:08:10 <Belugas> just that i fear the consequences... 16:08:26 <planetmaker> which ones in particular? 16:09:11 <Belugas> mostly regarding the company assignation and banrupty 16:09:15 <Belugas> stuff like that 16:09:46 <Hirundo> ^Doing that nicely is almost impossible 16:09:48 <planetmaker> I think that's not the big problem and that was already solved quite well 16:09:54 <Ammler> you need to drop the idea about making is competition secure 16:10:08 <planetmaker> the biggest problem is the exploits possible where one or the other player can't help it 16:10:48 <Hirundo> What do you think about 'sock puppet' companies in MP? 16:11:57 *** Mortomes|Work [~MortomesW@mail.qps.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:08 <planetmaker> they're cheating 16:13:18 <Hirundo> Basically it's only usable in non-competitive multiplayer 16:13:37 <planetmaker> kind of, yes. 16:13:43 <Belugas> so... it's by nature dangerous 16:13:48 <planetmaker> But still, it could be disabled by default 16:13:57 <planetmaker> ignoring signals is also dangerous by default ;-) 16:14:23 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has joined #openttd 16:14:39 <Hirundo> If you can convince the other devs that IS should be trunked, go ahead :) 16:15:12 <planetmaker> it's more your baby and you know it way better than I do :-) 16:15:14 <fjb> Cheating is a social problem. And you can hardly solve social problems with technical solutions. 16:15:52 <Hirundo> 'adoption child' may be a better term here 16:15:57 <planetmaker> but I'll gladly argue in its favour :-) 16:15:59 <planetmaker> hehe 16:16:23 <planetmaker> still it's a total rewrite from what was there before 16:17:26 <Hirundo> that's sort of the point, you can argue in its favour freely, while I've seen to much of the inherent problems to do that 16:17:29 <planetmaker> I just wonder how far such setting(s) should go... 16:18:11 *** pyth [~dirkjan@D4B24892.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:20 <planetmaker> well. It has. But the social problem cannot be solved. 16:18:59 <planetmaker> Maybe it should have / require a button in the company window or IS2 settings window which reads: recall all vehicles from that companies property. 16:19:07 <planetmaker> then most of the issue is gone 16:19:24 <planetmaker> where recall could mean just remove without refund in order to avoid cheating 16:20:13 <Belugas> Hirundo, to your point of view, is here ways to fix those? 16:20:24 <Belugas> note that i've not looked deeply into it... 16:22:05 <Hirundo> I've not been able to find any complete solution that's really usable outside the realms of #openttdcoop 16:22:54 <Hirundo> The three main issues were cargo payments, bankruptcy and a bucketload of MP exploits 16:22:56 <planetmaker> interestingly there's still an IS2 server 16:23:11 <planetmaker> or IS2 + Cargodist 16:23:12 <planetmaker> rather 16:23:59 <planetmaker> well. bancruptcy: just bancrupt it. And teleport the other people's vehicles to their depots or sell, if not possible 16:24:34 <planetmaker> cargo payment: as now with transfer orders 16:24:48 <planetmaker> but cross-company of course makes it difficult 16:25:43 <planetmaker> mp exploits: there always are. It's more a social one. It 'just' needs an emergency pull-out for each company so that others cannot keep your vehicles trapped 16:26:22 <planetmaker> but yes, this is a high-level simplifying summary :-) 16:27:51 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 16:28:06 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:32:13 <Hirundo> transfer orders may imply a negative income, do you want that? 16:32:43 <planetmaker> only to the last leg. 16:32:47 <planetmaker> or legs 16:33:11 <planetmaker> hm... 16:33:48 <planetmaker> but I guess that's acceptable. If you don't want that, stop sharing ;-) 16:34:52 <Hirundo> it can easily go unnoticed, not to mention that you could be offline or afk 16:35:38 <planetmaker> sure. But you're not forced to use cross-company transfers. That's a social issue basically 16:36:03 <planetmaker> same with jams caused by others which hurt you 16:36:13 <planetmaker> it's after all already present for RV 16:36:28 <planetmaker> and there's also no fix for it. Nor one possible 16:36:32 <Hirundo> RVs will pass through such a blockade eventually 16:36:47 <Hirundo> plus, it's very easy to notice visually by all players 16:36:59 <planetmaker> train jams, too 16:37:40 <Hirundo> A single order change by a malicious competitor could turn your profitable train line into a money sink 16:38:17 <planetmaker> yes. Don't share with malicious compatitors. You chose to do so. 16:38:31 <Hirundo> how do you know who's malicious? 16:38:41 <avdg> me? 16:38:56 <Hirundo> you can't exactly tell by looking at the company manager face ;) 16:39:02 <planetmaker> I have to make a bet or take my chances. But that's a social problem, Hirundo 16:39:26 <planetmaker> if you don't want to share, don't share. No one is forced after all 16:39:33 <planetmaker> you only share with whom you trust 16:39:43 <Eddi|zuHause> imho, it'd be sufficient to allow joining to competitors stations. in conjunction with cargodist and a hypothetical way to allow per-transfer-payment-without-abuse-potential 16:39:53 <avdg> be carefully with the word trust ;-) 16:39:54 <Hirundo> IS introduces an awful lot of such 'social problems' or rather potential for exploitation 16:40:14 <michi_cc> planetmaker: The "ugly" font list was mine and not Bjarni's :) And all (maybe except Courier, but that's monospaced) were totally unusable at the default OpenTTD font size. 16:40:21 <planetmaker> he :-) 16:40:37 <planetmaker> michi_cc: those which I tested: I have to agree :-) 16:40:50 <planetmaker> the last two are not installed here, so I can't test them 16:42:14 <planetmaker> Hirundo: sure it does. But that's why it should not be enabled by default and even if, it should default to opt-in 16:42:38 <planetmaker> But IS2 is a inherent cooperative feature. So you cannot enforce cooperation by enemies by this 16:43:20 <planetmaker> if you force people to cooperate they'll always find ways to avoid cooperation 16:43:23 *** green-devil [~agw@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 16:43:28 <planetmaker> But IS doesn't force it 16:43:54 <michi_cc> Different releases likely have different fonts. There are probably even more unusable fonts, they just weren't selected for any of the languages we had back when I wrote it. If we get new langs with exotic letters the list might have to be extended. 16:44:40 <planetmaker> well. I kinda test different languages from time to time, especially those where I only see strange signs... it works very well so far 16:44:46 * TrueBrain slaps Leaseweb Engineers and tells them to get to work :@ :) I hate waiting ... 16:46:27 <michi_cc> Most of these hacks (and the Geeza Pro substitute as well) are because we (and FreeType) don't use the OS supplied font fallback lists for drawing (so e.g. Geeza Pro has a defined fallback font for the missing latin chars which the system text drawing would automatically select). 16:47:26 *** xi23 [~xi23@ip-85-160-15-255.eurotel.cz] has joined #openttd 16:49:48 *** mib_lvkn07 [3ef457ab@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:50:29 <mib_lvkn07> gday here 16:50:50 <Terkhen> hi mib_lvkn07 16:51:16 <mib_lvkn07> trouble with master server ? 16:52:18 <Hirundo> All *.openttd.org services are down 16:53:07 <SpComb> orly 16:53:56 <mib_lvkn07> trouble with hardware or just routing is down somewhere ? 16:55:37 <SpComb> 16:42:58 -!- DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:47 <mib_lvkn07> SpComb: and what do you take with that ? 17:00:03 <mib_lvkn07> Oh, Mr planetmaker has been upgraded. 17:00:23 <planetmaker> hu? 17:00:27 <Belugas> depends... he is now a slave to stupid questions users :) 17:00:44 <mib_lvkn07> planetmaker: sory to awake you 17:00:56 <mib_lvkn07> or to wake you up. 17:01:28 <mib_lvkn07> there are no stupid questions 17:04:08 <TrueBrain> yes, there are stupid questions 17:04:11 <TrueBrain> trust us, there are 17:04:20 <Terkhen> :D 17:04:35 <TrueBrain> any person claiming there isn't, never did any helpdesk work 17:04:59 <FauxFaux> Nearly every question is stupid in my experience. 17:05:00 * planetmaker fears one can know about that even without ever doing helpdesk work :-) 17:05:04 <TrueBrain> when you think: "My Email is not working", received by mail, is a fable, you never worked at the helpdesk :) 17:05:31 <mib_lvkn07> if there are stupid questions means there are stupid explanations 17:05:52 <Terkhen> many stupid questions get stupid explanations, yes 17:06:03 <TrueBrain> but non-stupid questions also get stupid explanations 17:06:08 <TrueBrain> and stupid questions also gets good explanations 17:06:08 <Terkhen> :) 17:06:11 <TrueBrain> I doubt the two are related 17:07:28 <planetmaker> maybe not :-) 17:07:39 <planetmaker> though I guess a certain correlation can be found 17:08:11 *** shijir69 [4516b897@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:08:17 <shijir69> hi guys 17:08:23 <shijir69> server down? 17:09:04 <planetmaker> yes :-( 17:09:28 <shijir69> damn 17:09:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdacd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:09:34 <shijir69> where i can downlad grf? 17:09:51 <Terkhen> grfcrawler or tt-forums 17:09:51 <mib_lvkn07> check on tt-forums graf crawler 17:10:04 <shijir69> gimme me url pls 17:10:11 <Terkhen> google knows 17:10:12 <shijir69> only missing roadvehicle date mod 17:10:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:10:25 <mib_lvkn07> grfcrawler or something like that 17:10:30 <planetmaker> sounds like an obscure newgrf 17:10:41 <mib_lvkn07> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ 17:10:44 <Terkhen> yes, I never heard of it 17:11:10 <Belugas> [12:02] <mib_lvkn07> there are no stupid questions <-- no you are right... only stupid users 17:11:33 <mib_lvkn07> there are no stupid users 17:11:54 <mib_lvkn07> only stupid explanation, or stupid technology 17:12:11 <planetmaker> there definitely are lazy users 17:12:13 <Belugas> buwhahahaha!!!! 17:12:24 *** xi234 [~xi23@ip-85-160-15-255.eurotel.cz] has joined #openttd 17:12:26 <glx> there are stupid users 17:12:31 <Belugas> mib_lvkn07, go on, keep on making me laugh! 17:12:44 <planetmaker> like... [18:10] <mib_lvkn07> check on tt-forums graf crawler 17:12:45 <planetmaker> [18:11] <shijir69> gimme me url pls 17:13:18 <mib_lvkn07> this guy has not same thinking system than you or me 17:13:34 <Belugas> there are stupid users asking stuff so blatantly obvious they don't even deserve an answer 17:13:36 <FauxFaux> http://www.keil.com/forum/17879/ is one of the best I've seen recently outside of my cow-orkers; especially as it's developer -> developer on a highly technical area. 17:14:30 <mib_lvkn07> he is lost, then he needs help 17:14:33 <Belugas> there are lazy users who don't even want to make the effort of THINKING about findeing themselves the answer. IT's the hungry chick mouth wide open syndrom 17:14:40 <shijir69> which server is best? 17:14:54 <Belugas> the one you like best :) 17:15:00 <mib_lvkn07> and the best we have to do is teach him how to make it itselft 17:15:01 <Belugas> al the others, we killed them 17:15:22 <mib_lvkn07> and this is called education 17:15:37 <Belugas> mib_lvkn07, please, do that job of teaching for a month. then we'll ask you how it feels 17:16:27 <mib_lvkn07> i didnt say it's easy 17:16:59 <Belugas> i did not say it was hard either :) 17:17:27 <planetmaker> of course my server is the best. But luckily for most people not ;-) 17:17:44 <planetmaker> or it would not be the best :-P 17:18:23 *** xi23 [~xi23@ip-85-160-15-255.eurotel.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:23 *** xi234 is now known as xi23 17:18:33 <Belugas> one has to know what "best" means to the one who asks 17:18:47 <mib_lvkn07> Belugas: i did this job for 20 years now with my family 17:18:49 <planetmaker> :-) Cookie for Belugas 17:19:16 <Belugas> mib_lvkn07 : you TRAINED then for 20 years :) 17:19:21 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:23 <Belugas> but indeed i understand your point 17:19:55 <Belugas> my 6 years son is doing me the "why" answer to all that I say :) 17:20:04 <mib_lvkn07> Mr TrueBrain, do you have some information about when will master server will be back ? 17:20:08 <Belugas> thanks planetmaker :) 17:20:20 <Belugas> he's working hard on it 17:20:28 <mib_lvkn07> sure he is 17:20:29 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 17:20:32 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 17:20:32 <Belugas> you should hear him swearing... 17:20:34 <mib_lvkn07> yop 17:20:35 <TrueBrain> enough answer? 17:20:37 <planetmaker> \o/ DorpsGek 17:20:45 <mib_lvkn07> seems to be a good nice start 17:20:58 <Terkhen> welcome back DorpsGek 17:21:40 <avdg> welcome wave for a bot? :p 17:21:56 <shijir69> damn cant find grf 17:22:07 <shijir69> Roadvehicle date mod 17:23:05 <glx> mib_lvkn07: I can say it should be back now 17:24:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A4D8.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:25:02 *** shijir69 [4516b897@ircip3.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 17:25:26 *** pyth [~dirkjan@82-171-22-51.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:26:08 <mib_lvkn07> wahou nice 17:27:00 <mib_lvkn07> i will go back to my stupid technology. 17:27:03 <mib_lvkn07> c u 17:27:06 *** mib_lvkn07 [3ef457ab@ircip1.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 17:27:30 <glx> <avdg> welcome wave for a bot? :p <-- yes because it's an important thing :) 17:27:57 <planetmaker> and an indicator :-) 17:28:12 <Belugas> shijir69, of course, i'm sure you did searched with the online content download withn Openttd itseld 17:28:14 <Belugas> did you? 17:28:23 <Belugas> hoooopw... 17:28:32 <Belugas> he's gone 17:28:37 <planetmaker> of course ;-) 17:29:05 <planetmaker> but also, Belugas, online content doesn't work without *.openttd.org being online 17:29:11 <planetmaker> +not 17:29:41 <Belugas> well... i did looked at it, it's under my eyes, thus it works :) 17:29:47 <Belugas> but granted, maybe not then... 17:30:49 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72cae2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:34:22 <Terkhen> http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/patches/partial_refit/ <-- who wants to test? I'm still coding another patch to show the selected part of the train, but everything else is already working (the code is still not clean, though) 17:35:47 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:615b:cbb8:3312:5f3e] has quit [Quit: bye] 17:39:40 <Belugas> lol! 17:40:00 <Belugas> I know a guy who now reall y knows how to deal with tiny UI!! 17:41:04 <Terkhen> three answers in a single minute, I hope he does not have a single doubt about it now :) 17:41:25 <Belugas> and from 3 devs... like... 17:41:27 <Terkhen> :D 17:43:41 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-177.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:50 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:48:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: terkhen * r21241 /trunk/src/ (depot_gui.cpp group_gui.cpp): -Fix: Display dragged vehicles in the correct orientation while using RTL languages. 17:51:55 <Eddi|zuHause> how do you fix something that is correct? 17:52:36 <Terkhen> hm? 17:53:03 <Terkhen> why it was correct? 17:53:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the commit message is ambiguously worded. 17:54:58 <FauxFaux> I read it with "I have submitted a " at the start. 17:55:16 <Terkhen> that's possible; I'm not very good at writing commit messages 17:56:46 <planetmaker> they're good enough as long as it's clear. 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18:51:29 <frosch123> tomorrow there will be some nice features by hirundo :) 18:51:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i have a deja vu 18:51:43 <SmatZ> :-) 18:51:43 <Belugas> what's the next winning lottery number? 18:51:46 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 18:51:57 <Eddi|zuHause> they must have changed something in the matrix 18:52:09 <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe i should call it map array :p 18:52:25 *** xi2345 [~xi23@ip-85-161-20-245.eurotel.cz] has joined #openttd 18:52:37 <Belugas> tne NEW map array 18:52:48 <Ammler> 3dmap :-P 18:52:52 <Alberth> we don't have glitches :p 18:52:55 <Hirundo> the new map array should be realistic ;) 18:53:22 <Alberth> it is, it contains real bits 18:53:50 *** Samu [Samu@224.68.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 18:54:12 *** pyth [~dirkjan@82-171-22-51.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: pyth] 18:55:24 *** xi23 [~xi23@ip-85-161-122-193.eurotel.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:55:25 *** xi2345 is now known as xi23 18:55:34 *** xi23 [~xi23@ip-85-161-20-245.eurotel.cz] has quit [] 18:55:49 *** xi23 [~xi23@ip-85-161-20-245.eurotel.cz] has joined #openttd 18:56:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdacd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:52 <Belugas> Hirundo, i liked you 18:58:38 * Hirundo senses a use of the past tense 18:58:46 *** xi23 [~xi23@ip-85-161-20-245.eurotel.cz] has left #openttd [] 18:58:51 <Belugas> and a joke ;) 18:59:10 <SmatZ> :-D 18:59:24 *** xi234 [~xi23@ip-85-161-239-24.eurotel.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:02:28 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 19:03:52 <Samu> wow 19:04:09 <Samu> my poll results are surprising 19:04:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:04:41 * andythenorth gets a bit anal about GPL 19:05:29 <Hirundo> andythenorth: pony alert! 19:05:34 <Hirundo> @commit 21238 19:05:34 <DorpsGek> Hirundo: Commit by rubidium :: r21238 /trunk/src (3 files) (2010-11-18 14:17:55 UTC) 19:05:35 <DorpsGek> Hirundo: -Feature: [NewGRF] Support callback 0x10 for RVs and ships (Hirundo) 19:05:42 <Hirundo> @commit 21240 19:05:46 <DorpsGek> Hirundo: Commit by rubidium :: r21240 /trunk/src (5 files in 2 dirs) (2010-11-18 14:32:09 UTC) 19:05:47 <DorpsGek> Hirundo: -Feature: [NewGRF] Implement action0 visual effect properties for ships and RVs (Hirundo) 19:06:23 <Samu> ship tunnels, is it possible? 19:07:00 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth :) 19:07:12 <Hirundo> not without a boatload of visual glitches (pun semi-intended) 19:07:38 <Belugas> not with "proper implementation" either 19:07:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: it's not impossible, but it is not implemented, and if it would be, it would cause lots of graphics glitches 19:07:59 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:12 <Samu> hehe, thx 19:08:36 <Eddi|zuHause> and what's so surprising about the poll? 19:08:56 <Samu> everyone wants realistic train acceleration except me 19:09:13 <Samu> the original is harder 19:09:18 <Samu> they want an easy game 19:09:52 <Belugas> no.... i can;'t believe it ;) 19:09:56 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a differece between "hard" and "silly" 19:11:42 <andythenorth> ship smoke? 19:11:45 <andythenorth> awesomes 19:12:05 * andythenorth has a wedding to go to this weekend, so can't update FISH 19:13:15 <V453000> lol at original acceleratio 19:13:16 <V453000> nn 19:13:46 <planetmaker> [20:05] * andythenorth gets a bit anal about GPL <-- what's the issue? 19:13:57 <planetmaker> hello also :-) 19:14:07 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=913941#p913941 19:15:01 <planetmaker> hm, yes 19:15:06 <andythenorth> also...silly old BROS forum still causing issues :P 19:15:12 <planetmaker> :-D 19:15:15 <andythenorth> ho hum 19:17:01 <planetmaker> claiming surprise would imply lying 19:18:33 * andythenorth wonders if there's time to implement ship smoke tonight :o 19:18:54 <V453000> just a stupid question: the current FIRS does work the same in all 3 climates, right? As in, there are the same industries in all 3? 19:19:24 <andythenorth> V453000: IIRC, the only change is Sugar Beet / Sugar Cane 19:19:30 <V453000> I see, thanks 19:19:34 <Terkhen> there were also some changes related to water in subtropic 19:19:40 <andythenorth> water was removed 19:19:41 <Rubidium> andythenorth: adding 1c 18 and updating the count of properties shouldn't be that much work :) 19:19:47 <Terkhen> IIRC goods fulfilled the function of water? 19:19:55 <andythenorth> or Petrol, I forget which 19:20:06 <andythenorth> town gui will tell you ;) 19:20:27 <V453000> seems like Food and Goods for towns 19:20:41 <V453000> thats what the gui says at the very least :p 19:20:47 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:20:54 <andythenorth> that's correct then ;) 19:21:35 <V453000> im just going to have a test game so I am just wondering about climate dependance :) 19:21:53 <Rubidium> start with toyland :) 19:22:09 <V453000> <3 19:22:29 <Zuu> toyland + openGFX shouldn't be much of a problem 19:22:49 <V453000> hate 19:22:52 <andythenorth> ha ha to FIRS in toyland 19:22:53 <V453000> thats not enough insane 19:23:03 <andythenorth> FIRS in toyland => modify compile it yourself 19:23:05 <V453000> the originals are great :p 19:23:22 <V453000> no need for that I think, andythenorth :) 19:23:43 * Terkhen knows of other newgrfs that work nicely in toyland :P 19:23:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21244 /trunk/src/ (news_gui.cpp settings.cpp window.cpp window_func.h): -Fix [FS#4240] (r21179): the news message always stayed in the middle; let it follow the setting of the statusbar instead 19:23:57 <V453000> eGRVTS? :) 19:24:25 <Terkhen> yes, and HEQS and FISH too 19:24:43 <V453000> :) 19:26:01 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 19:28:47 <Samu> orudge 19:28:58 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:29:01 <Samu> just made all videos 19:29:11 <Samu> for ttd, tt and tte 19:29:37 <Ammler> no openttd? 19:29:56 <Samu> I am unable to record openttd 19:30:07 <Ammler> he :-) 19:30:46 <Samu> it's 240 MB 19:30:52 <Samu> can't send you yet 19:30:56 <Samu> maybe in a month 19:31:16 <Ammler> no Flatrate? 19:31:32 *** perk111 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:40 <Samu> flatrate? 19:32:22 <Zuu> = you pay a fixed amount and have unlimited of upload/download 19:32:44 <Zuu> Apart from the upper limit set by how much you can upload/download if you do it constantly at maximum bandwith. 19:32:48 <Samu> no, not at where I am 19:32:49 <Eddi|zuHause> we had this discussion already :p 19:33:38 <planetmaker> quite 19:34:23 * Rubidium wants to see the first ISP that has a truely flat rate 19:34:34 <Zuu> I found out my cell phone carier actually have flat rate, only that when you pass the upper "limit" of data, the speed drops to about 60 kb/s. 19:34:58 <Zuu> My cell phone does not make more than that even if the data plan allows more. 19:35:28 <Ammler> Rubidium: because the limit is the speed or why? 19:35:35 <andythenorth> bah 19:35:38 <andythenorth> renum sulks 19:35:49 <Ammler> luckily there is nforenum :-P 19:35:55 <andythenorth> nforenum sulks 19:36:02 <andythenorth> and I waste more keys :P 19:36:04 <SmatZ> @dict sulk 19:36:23 <Samu> Os meus vÃdeos.arc - 237 MB (249.101.581 bytes) 19:36:23 <Samu> Os meus vÃdeos.7z - 238 MB (250.203.488 bytes) 19:36:23 <Samu> Os meus vÃdeos.rar - 241 MB (252.730.692 bytes) 19:36:23 <Samu> Os meus vÃdeos.zip - 246 MB (258.788.741 bytes) 19:36:29 <Rubidium> Ammler: because most say "no limit" and then still have a limit of X GiB and then they start threatening you with shutting down the connection or bumping you to the more expensive plan 19:36:35 * andythenorth bets nforenum thinks I can't use prop 1C for ships 19:37:02 * andythenorth wins that bet 19:37:02 <Ammler> I am not aware of such a limit from my ISP 19:37:08 <Ammler> (Swisscom) 19:37:11 <Rubidium> andythenorth: have you updated nforenum? 19:37:13 * andythenorth would like to collect winnings please 19:37:14 <andythenorth> no 19:37:23 <andythenorth> I shall now do that and collect winnings 19:37:39 * planetmaker hands a cookie to andythenorth 19:37:59 <SmatZ> :) 19:38:52 * andythenorth needs to figure out 'make install' for grfcodec tools 19:40:57 <Alberth> simply link the built binary from your 'bin', no need to install anything :) 19:41:14 <andythenorth> yay 19:41:16 <andythenorth> ships with smoke 19:41:24 <andythenorth> somewhat wrong offsets :) 19:41:27 <andythenorth> which can be fixed 19:41:55 <Alberth> delayed smoke :p 19:42:07 <andythenorth> do they get 'more smoke' 19:42:12 <andythenorth> it seems to be a sparse amount... 19:42:26 <andythenorth> is it calculated from acceleration or some such? 19:42:43 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:43:18 <Hirundo> What is your smoke setting? 19:43:29 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 19:43:48 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:43:54 <andythenorth> 'realistic' 19:43:56 <Samu> i got a weird error when a player joined 19:44:12 <Samu> received invalid or unexpected packet 19:44:37 <Ammler> what is weird about? 19:44:46 <andythenorth> Hirundo: I'll commit an update to FISH - so you have a test grf 19:45:25 <Samu> I wonder if it was because I hosted with a original TTD scenario 19:45:41 <Hirundo> andythenorth: smoke emission should be the same as for a train moving at the same speed relative to max 19:46:02 <Ammler> Samu: that can happen all the time, just report it, if it repeatly happens... 19:46:18 <Samu> try joining my game 19:46:24 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 19:47:14 <andythenorth> does smoke have any kind of performance issues? 19:48:06 <planetmaker> long-term yes. Ask the smoker of your choice ;-) 19:49:23 <andythenorth> is the code for generating smoke shared by all vehicles? 19:49:42 <andythenorth> i.e. could ships generate smoke differently to trains? 19:49:52 <avdg> was smoke not only for trains? 19:50:36 <Terkhen> andythenorth: the code is shared 19:51:34 <andythenorth> so there are no constants or whatever that could be changed for ships only? 19:52:13 *** ctibor|spi [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 19:52:18 <planetmaker> read the wiki :-P http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Trains#Visual_effects_and_wagon_power_22_ 19:52:31 <Terkhen> what kind of constants? scaling the speed differently for them? 19:52:46 <planetmaker> every thips can have its own. But the effects are the same and not new-grf-able. Just the choice is 19:52:49 <andythenorth> causing ships to produce smoke fairly constantly 19:53:08 <andythenorth> currently there is just one puff of smoke when starting, then no more 19:53:51 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:57 * andythenorth doesn't want to look a gift pony in the mouth :D 19:53:59 <andythenorth> but... 19:54:10 <andythenorth> more smoke for ships? 19:55:19 <Terkhen> are you using diesel or steam? 19:55:30 <Eddi|zuHause> afair diesel smoke was based on acceleration 19:56:09 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:26 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I tried both 19:58:35 <Samu> what is the least cpu intensive blitter? or rather gpu 19:59:14 <__ln___> the null video driver 19:59:32 <Samu> hehe, but i want to play 19:59:55 <SmatZ> Samu: the default 20:01:32 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I'm afraid that it would require another smoke setting ingame or modifying the specs 20:03:16 <avdg> very interesting compile log: http://pastebin.com/xqkLGjDr 20:03:41 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 20:03:41 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:20 <Hirundo> currently there is no diesel smoke at full speed, we might want to change that for ships 20:04:38 <andythenorth> no steam smoke either at full speed 20:04:53 * Hirundo tests 20:05:00 <avdg> is pm here? 20:05:12 <planetmaker> maybe also am 20:05:18 <Terkhen> but wouldn't that make ships even more costly in performance? 20:05:49 <Hirundo> not more costly than, say, a steam train 20:07:13 <avdg> pm: check the compile log here above ("video/cocoa/fullscreen.mm") 20:08:49 <planetmaker> interesting. which gcc? 20:09:21 <avdg> i686-apple-darwin10-gcc-4.2.1 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5664) 20:09:52 <planetmaker> right... I only tested with 4.0 20:10:54 <planetmaker> thanks for the report 20:10:57 <Hirundo> andythenorth: isn't there? for me there is steam smoke even at full speed and reduced smoke setting 20:11:44 <Rubidium> Hirundo: but the more smoke setting doesn't mean there's more smoke :) 20:12:23 * andythenorth checks if loaded ships makes any difference 20:12:49 <Hirundo> only that it's more 'realistic 20:14:04 <Samu> i've been offered a subsidy to transport goods to a town that doesn't have enough buildings to accept goods :( 20:14:43 <avdg> hmm; polish.txt already 4 days in trunk and I got an error? 20:15:15 <Terkhen> I don't get those errors with polish 20:15:20 * andythenorth has a confession to make 20:15:34 <andythenorth> hm 20:15:35 * Hirundo hands a soapbox 20:15:38 <andythenorth> ship smoke is fine 20:15:44 <andythenorth> nothing to see here, please move on 20:15:53 <Terkhen> :) 20:15:56 <andythenorth> small mistyping of 1 and 2 20:16:27 <andythenorth> steam smoke provides the correct effect 20:16:30 <andythenorth> it's a bit white 20:16:43 <andythenorth> diesel smoke would look better, but if that's tmwftlb... 20:16:56 <Rubidium> avdg: if you get an error on that file you're definitely not using HEAD 20:17:05 <Rubidium> maybe you're using some mixture of versions 20:17:36 <Hirundo> what is tmwftlb? 20:17:41 <avdg> I'll check 20:17:46 <andythenorth> too much for too little benefit 20:17:56 <andythenorth> too much work for too little benefit 20:18:02 <Rubidium> pff... tmwftlb to write that in full 20:18:09 <Alberth> :) 20:18:36 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/goto.diff <-- does that work for you, avdg ? 20:18:45 * andythenorth has made some of the ships too bloody long 20:18:58 <andythenorth> offsetting by F is not enough 20:19:16 <avdg> rudibium: you're right; the error isn't in the svn trunk 20:19:51 <Rubidium> even then, the compiler seems to be right about crossing initialisations 20:20:15 <Hirundo> "diesel smoke would look better, but if that's tmwftlb..." <- what is tmwftlb here? 20:21:03 <Rubidium> lmgtfy.com?p=tmwftlb ? 20:21:36 <Rubidium> hmm s/p/q/ 20:21:54 <avdg> now compile 2 :p 20:22:55 <andythenorth> Hirundo: changing the behaviour of diesel smoke specific to ships - tmwftlb? 20:22:59 <Alberth> Hirundo: or read back what andy answered 20:23:04 <avdg> pm: works fine here 20:23:06 * Rubidium wonders whether he ever ranted about the amount of different implementations of stuff in the OS X part of OpenTTD and that causing problems for quite a lot of patches 20:23:21 <planetmaker> hm? 20:23:42 <avdg> that patch ;-) 20:23:46 <planetmaker> rant away. Then I know what bothers your mind right now ;-) 20:23:50 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 20:24:00 *** James [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 20:24:05 *** James [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:24:07 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I stopped bothering about Mac OS X stuff roughly a year ago 20:25:11 <Samu> is it possible to start a game as a spectator right away? 20:25:30 <planetmaker> I guess you had a reason to bring it up right now, though, Rubidium :-) 20:25:42 <planetmaker> But my crystal ball fails me ;-) 20:26:26 <Rubidium> planetmaker: because of avdg's compile failure on Mac OS X 20:26:54 <Rubidium> I'd argue that it's in code that isn't compiled for you, otherwise you'd have had a compiler complain about it before 20:27:03 <planetmaker> That stuff might be subject to a more thorough review somewhen. 20:27:26 <planetmaker> Rubidium: not really. It compiles for gcc4.0 but not with gcc 4.2 20:27:45 <Rubidium> then gcc4.0 is really a crappy piece of software 20:28:03 <Rubidium> did they put KDE's release managers on it? :) 20:28:25 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:16 <planetmaker> dunno :-) 20:30:00 <planetmaker> I think it was just that gcc got stricter with goto handling 20:30:22 <planetmaker> it's about jumping over a variable declaration which gcc 4.2 doesn't like 20:31:03 <Rubidium> yeah, because it can't figure out where it should pop that variable from the stack 20:31:06 <andythenorth> hmm 20:31:27 <andythenorth> given there's only one worthwhile ship set :P - could the vertical offset of smoke be changed? 20:33:32 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/ship_smoke.png 20:34:02 <Hirundo> in principle, yes 20:34:13 <planetmaker> practically rather a new variable ;-) 20:34:42 <planetmaker> but that might be tmwftlg 20:34:51 <Hirundo> andythenorth: come up with a sane newgrf spec 20:37:21 * andythenorth wonders how to do that 20:37:56 <planetmaker> how would you (like to) code a (variable) z-offset? 20:38:07 <andythenorth> also the other offset... 20:38:15 <andythenorth> is the relative positioning offset limited by something to do with the vehicle bounding box? 20:38:28 <andythenorth> or is it just the most that can be done in a signed byte? 20:38:39 <andythenorth> or is it just historical accident? 20:38:57 <andythenorth> F = half vehicle offset 20:39:13 <andythenorth> or half past end 20:39:35 * andythenorth needs to learn how to ask better questions 20:42:00 <Hirundo> there are no real limits, but large offsets (in the vehicle direction) will look ugly when the vehicle turns 20:42:17 <Hirundo> large vehicles look ugly in turns in general :) 20:42:31 <Alberth> andythenorth: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html 20:43:39 <__ln___> 22:25 < Rubidium> planetmaker: I stopped bothering about Mac OS X stuff roughly a year ago <--- that's the biggest lie of the week. barel a day goes by without you talking about some Mac OS X stuff here. 20:43:41 <andythenorth> cb result for offsets? 20:43:51 <andythenorth> check a var to specify x / y / z offset? 20:44:08 <andythenorth> is the most flexible 20:44:15 <andythenorth> but a prop might be less trouble 20:44:38 <andythenorth> prop dword for rrxxyyzz 20:44:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r21245 /trunk/src/video/cocoa/fullscreen.mm: -Fix (r21200): [OSX] Make gcc 4.2 happy 20:44:44 <andythenorth> rr = reserved 20:45:25 <Hirundo> a system of tangential/normal coordinates may be more suitable here instead of x/y 20:45:56 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:46:50 <Eddi|zuHause> rrllwwhh [reserved, length, width, height]? 20:47:39 <Hirundo> ll, ww, hh being signed bytes? 20:50:30 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 20:51:01 <andythenorth> works for me 20:51:17 <andythenorth> then either prop, or cb result 20:51:27 <andythenorth> cb result seems to be preferred to new properties 20:51:32 <Hirundo> 24 bits CB result won't work 20:51:47 <andythenorth> cb result opens a can of worms 20:51:59 <andythenorth> I could start moving smoke around according to....e.g. speed 20:52:03 <andythenorth> :P 20:52:15 <Hirundo> that depends on how often the CB is called 20:52:56 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 20:53:17 *** roelmb [Guest848@69.81-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 20:53:51 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:53 <Hirundo> I suggest that you draw smaller ships :P 20:55:21 <andythenorth> well indeed 20:55:36 <andythenorth> I thought of adjusting *all* the y offsets :P 20:55:55 <andythenorth> but they'd look...odd....in canals 20:58:42 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:59 <Belugas> surely they'lll better in ttdp 21:05:40 *** green-devil [~agw@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 21:06:56 <AveiMil> Version 0.3 released! 21:06:58 <AveiMil> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=51112&p=913957#p913957 21:07:30 <Samu> hey aveimil, join my game and flood my towns 21:09:01 <Eddi|zuHause> "Erstmals im deutschen Free-TV wird ab 1. Januar immer samstags um 23.05 Uhr die britische Sitcom â'Allo'Allo!â zu sehen sein." 21:09:17 <Samu> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/37694 21:10:09 *** SgobbiT [~sgobbit@host93-242-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:11:17 <AveiMil> Is that PIGM? 21:11:25 <AveiMil> I have 4 dedicated servers up btw :) 21:11:52 *** roelmb [Guest848@69.81-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has left #openttd [] 21:12:44 <Samu> no, its a map for flooding towns 21:15:05 <Samu> there's more servers than players 21:15:45 <planetmaker> a cookie for samu for this fascinating new discovery ;-) 21:16:01 <AveiMil> that sounds like fun for about 4-5 minutes 21:17:52 *** kenneth [~kenneth@cpc1-nrte13-0-0-cust531.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:17:59 <kenneth> Hello 21:17:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdacd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:18:14 <planetmaker> hi 21:18:24 <Samu> no one wants to flood towns :( 21:20:05 <Terkhen> hi kenneth 21:20:05 <AveiMil> lol 21:20:16 <AveiMil> Samu, 0.3 is out, go play on one of my dedicated servers 21:20:20 <AveiMil> show me how good you are 21:20:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: ever thought about the fact that this could be the same reason as why people don't play with original acceleration? 21:21:20 <Samu> flooding towns? 21:22:26 *** kenneth [~kenneth@cpc1-nrte13-0-0-cust531.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:22:38 <planetmaker> that was... brief 21:22:57 *** Yexo [~Yexo@153-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 21:23:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o Yexo] by ChanServ 21:25:06 *** green-devil [~agw@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 21:25:49 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29:36 <AveiMil> Samu, we're 3 people in server #1 :) 21:29:47 <AveiMil> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/37498 21:29:59 <Samu> there's 3 guys in my game 21:30:07 <Samu> if I leave, the game ends 21:30:20 <AveiMil> start another session of OpenTTD and leave the other one :) 21:30:26 <AveiMil> (leave it running) 21:31:06 * andythenorth ponders ships with spark effect :P 21:32:07 <Terkhen> wouldn't that be bad for the fishes? :) 21:32:53 <planetmaker> Terkhen: it's like a turbo-charge for the skate ;-) 21:32:56 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has joined #openttd 21:33:03 <Samu> cool 21:33:07 <Terkhen> :D 21:33:07 <Samu> they both dropped at the sametime 21:33:21 <Samu> I can quit 21:35:12 <andythenorth> Hirundo: aallwwhh 21:35:19 <andythenorth> aa = amount of smoke :D 21:35:39 <Rubidium> hhaawwll :) 21:35:47 <Samu> your frame_freq thing is low 21:35:51 <andythenorth> or whether to repeat n (0-E) (F = continuous repeat) 21:36:45 <andythenorth> default diesel smoke looks awesme for e.g. small fishing boat 21:38:15 <Terkhen> I love it when I discover a bug just after uploading something 21:38:33 <planetmaker> isn't that murphy's first law? 21:39:05 <SpComb> corollary 21:39:08 <Terkhen> probably one of its addendums 21:39:32 <Terkhen> "the bug will always be in the only part of the code you forget to test" 21:39:50 <planetmaker> sure ;-) 21:39:53 <andythenorth> frick 21:40:01 <andythenorth> I drew some ships with two smoke stacks 21:40:06 <andythenorth> how stupid was that :P 21:40:20 <SpComb> if one of them is for the fireplace? 21:40:44 <planetmaker> andythenorth: why not? 21:41:06 <Rubidium> Terkhen: no, the bug will be in the part you tested extensively first and then to fix another bug you broke the first 21:41:36 <Terkhen> :D 21:41:52 <Belugas> ho... Sirkoz has a problem with smoke... 21:41:58 <Belugas> poor dear... 21:43:39 <Belugas> night all 21:43:52 <Rubidium> night Belugas 21:43:53 <Terkhen> good night Belugas 21:44:00 <Hirundo> FS4242 bug found 21:44:23 <andythenorth> smoke problems? 21:44:26 <andythenorth> where :P 21:44:26 <planetmaker> g'night Belugas 21:44:42 <Rubidium> Hirundo: oh, and patch 6/7 (or so) contains some spaces at the begin of the lines (before a tab) 21:45:04 <Rubidium> s/contains/contained/ 21:45:16 <Rubidium> yay for the precommit hook filtering that out 21:45:21 <planetmaker> the patches probably still do ;-) 21:45:41 <planetmaker> hehe. 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