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00:03:59 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:04:00 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:04:31 <Mazur> How boring, 8 quits in a row. 00:05:05 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 00:09:00 <Eddi|zuHause> and you broke the streak 00:12:39 <Mazur> Yep. 00:12:54 <Mazur> Deliberately and with malice aforethought. 00:13:07 <Mazur> :-) 00:13:34 <Mazur> Ain't I a stinker? 00:14:05 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9479.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:27 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:08 <Mazur> LOL!! 00:16:32 <Mazur> New Giant in the playground. 00:16:42 <Mazur> :-))) 00:17:47 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9479.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:23:43 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:51 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 00:28:23 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-135-31.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:29:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.160.28] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.160.28] has joined #openttd 00:33:30 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 00:40:03 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:33 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:52:25 <supermop> hey 00:52:32 <supermop> any news on the reactor? 00:57:08 <Sacro> well 00:57:09 <planetmaker> Depends. none I know. Maybe it has a leak 00:57:13 <Sacro> it's not gone boom yet 00:57:18 <Sacro> there's a controlled leak going on 01:00:14 <supermop> so they went ahead with the vent? 01:00:49 <supermop> no word on if they got the back up generators online for the cooling system? 01:01:34 *** zodttd2 [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 01:01:59 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:06:42 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.12.7.71] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 01:14:53 *** Markavian [~Markavian@213.102.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:16:32 <planetmaker> they didn't so far afaik 01:16:43 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:16:45 <planetmaker> which is quite bad news 01:18:10 <supermop> still pumping in water from outside? 01:18:54 <supermop> at least the reactor was able to shut down before hand 01:19:21 *** Zmapper [~Zmapper@c-67-174-124-202.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:20:03 <Zmapper> is it possible to set up an ottd server on a computer connected to the internet via a router? 01:20:05 <supermop> the good thing is that the government is being forthright about the possibility of leakage, and evacuating the areas 01:20:05 <planetmaker> well. You cannot really shut down a nuclear plant 01:20:20 <supermop> you can insert the control rods, 01:20:25 <planetmaker> Zmapper: sure. But you need to open the ports on both, computer and router 01:20:27 <planetmaker> @ports 01:20:27 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 01:20:34 <supermop> which will help keep temperature lower 01:21:06 <supermop> and buy you hours, rather than minutes to prevent the water from boiling off 01:21:22 <Zmapper> And how do I open ports on both computer and router? 01:22:10 <planetmaker> ask your OS manufacurer and router manufacturer 01:22:32 <planetmaker> that is really very much configuration / hardware dependent 01:22:48 <Zmapper> ok 01:23:09 <planetmaker> you need to explain your firewall somehow that these ports are ok and your computer allowed to act as server there 01:23:15 <planetmaker> Don't ask me about how-to on windows 01:25:34 <Zmapper> thank you planetmaker 01:34:54 <planetmaker> np. 01:34:56 <Zmapper> can anyone check if i did this right 01:34:57 <Zmapper> http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5098/5518256955_d5423ef71c_b.jpg 01:35:16 <planetmaker> Zmapper: servers.openttd.org 01:35:32 <Zmapper> I mean for router settings 01:35:39 <supermop> well i am glad my friends are ok for now, 01:36:09 <planetmaker> probably. yes 01:36:12 <supermop> assuming they don't decide to go hang out on top of any containment builds 01:36:20 <supermop> buildings 01:36:28 <planetmaker> if you want to use the admin port from external, you additionally need port 3977, too 01:36:50 <Zmapper> I guess it is time to test it out 01:37:09 <planetmaker> supermop: yeah, I'm glad I heart back from my Japanese friends as well and that they and their family are all well 01:38:09 <planetmaker> Zmapper: what I meant is: if the port configs are right: then you can check that your server announces itself properly by checking http://www.openttd.org/en/servers 01:38:29 <planetmaker> it should show up there withing 5 minutes at most, rather much faster. 01:38:33 <Zmapper> is there a time delay before a server appears on the list 01:38:59 <Zmapper> you must be telepathic cause you answered my question as i was typing 01:39:44 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 01:41:17 <planetmaker> IIRC the masterserver updates all 20 seconds or so. But I'm not 100% affirmative on that 01:41:31 <planetmaker> and then there's always the inet in between ;-) 01:41:36 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:42:46 <Zmapper> not showing up 01:43:16 <Zmapper> do i have to set anything up on my computer 01:43:35 <Zmapper> cause i just set up the ports only 01:45:11 <planetmaker> well. your pc's firewall has to allow those, too 01:45:16 <planetmaker> if the pc has one 01:45:38 <planetmaker> however, it's short of 3am here, so I'll better head off to bed ;-) 01:59:04 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 02:03:30 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-52-19.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:07:08 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:07:27 *** supermop_ is now known as supermop 02:08:50 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:19:56 *** Zmapper [~Zmapper@c-67-174-124-202.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 02:25:42 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9479.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:51:51 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-32-4.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 03:00:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 03:26:31 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-214-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:27:20 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 03:31:59 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-137-005.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:46:55 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.130.59] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 04:15:42 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:29ab:ff85:2955:500f] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:17:30 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-32-4.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:18:52 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-47-237.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 04:22:24 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:31:31 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:38:22 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 05:14:32 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: sleep] 05:32:23 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 05:45:36 *** zachanima [~zach@184-106-221-93.static.cloud-ips.com] has joined #openttd 05:51:04 *** dfox_ [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:51:36 *** fjb is now known as Guest343 05:51:38 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFF78D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B757BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7469E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:58:20 *** Guest343 [~frank@p5DDFEA7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:05:30 *** Zonta1 [~DAN@modemcable132.116-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 06:05:37 <Zonta1> Hello All 06:06:03 <Zonta1> Is anyone knows if there an IRC BOT relay for OpenTTD 1.0.5? 06:06:39 <Rubidium> there's autopilot, but... #1 not sure whether it works with 1.0.5, #2 I have no clue how to set it up 06:07:01 <Zonta1> Thanks Rub i will check that out 06:20:31 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:33:54 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 06:47:11 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:02:54 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-68-183-230-148.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 07:04:22 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-30-124.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:09:15 *** George is now known as Guest347 07:09:15 *** Guest347 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:09:19 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 07:14:26 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@99-73-209-18.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:14:55 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:22:25 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFF78D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:30:18 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-68-183-230-148.dslextreme.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:36:58 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-30-124.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:45:46 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0e111.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:01:05 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.240.0.35] has joined #openttd 08:01:32 <andythenorth> andy is now unhealthy obsessed with names and at risk of disappearing inside himself 08:01:58 <andythenorth> and in other news, hello 08:13:03 *** ar3k [~ident@ecy224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 08:17:06 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ech102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:26:11 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:26:14 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:35:39 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:51eb:a47b::1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35:46 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:51eb:a47b::1] has joined #openttd 08:37:14 <planetmaker> moin 08:38:55 <__ln__> so the nuclear power plant has exploded, they say 08:39:30 <planetmaker> they do indeed 08:42:10 <rane> should have switched natural disasters off... 08:46:03 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-52-19.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 08:47:32 <planetmaker> not all settings can be changed anymore after a scenario was started :-P 08:48:54 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe33dc00-53.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:50:35 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:51:25 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:52:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D020.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:58:06 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 09:08:47 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 09:11:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.170.250] has joined #openttd 09:11:59 <__ln__> http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.earthquake.tsunami.earth/index.html 09:13:10 <Chrill> Earthquakes do that 09:13:27 <Chrill> it's scary how one big shakey can cause this insane amount of devastation.. 09:18:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.160.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:18:48 <planetmaker> well. This quake had the energy equivalent of what the US consume overall in a month 09:22:07 <Chrill> heh 09:22:16 <Chrill> fifth largest in recorded history, no? 09:22:21 <Chrill> it's been reported as either 8.9 or 9.1 09:22:25 <Chrill> which is just insane 09:23:06 <rane> they dug too deep 09:30:52 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B1062BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:29 <Eddi|zuHause> is that where the balrog appears? :p 09:32:51 <Chrill> Eddi|zuHause: you're blaming Gandalf, are you not? 09:33:02 <Chrill> You sillyhead 09:33:13 <rane> they woke shadow and fire 09:36:25 <Eddi|zuHause> forgive me, if the exact words elude me, since i only know the translated version... 09:36:45 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B105495.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:38:25 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... rumour says there was an explosion in the reactor building 09:38:37 <Chrill> that's not a rumour anymore either 09:38:47 <Chrill> there are both pictures and film of the explosion 09:38:56 <Chrill> we just don't know if radioactive material is being leaked.. 09:39:34 <Chrill> but if it is, *I'm* in trouble 09:39:39 <Chrill> cus the wind is blowing in this direction 09:39:47 <Chrill> lets hope it doesn't rain over me 09:40:21 <rane> run! 09:40:28 <rane> or stay and make some cool youtube videos 09:40:32 <rane> :-) 09:40:33 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 09:41:15 <Chrill> the Japanese are saying that there is no danger for the general public 09:41:22 <Chrill> omg Zuu is using Bahnhof. I miss Bahnhof 09:41:44 <Zuu> :-) 09:42:25 <Zuu> I never herd of them until I had the option to use them or ComHem. 09:42:29 <Chrill> heh 09:42:34 <Chrill> well comhem are wankers 09:42:52 <Chrill> yeah, we had a 1 GB/s line with bahnhof, split between 13 apartments 09:43:01 <Chrill> so we got 100 MB/s in our apartment, both up/down 09:43:03 <Chrill> good stuff 09:43:17 <Eddi|zuHause> MB or Mbit? 09:43:30 <Chrill> MB 09:43:41 <Zuu> I got 10 Mb/s up/down, but honestly you don't really notice the difference between 10 and 100 that much. 09:43:44 <Chrill> heh 09:43:45 <Chrill> true 09:43:54 <Chrill> my computer itself managed to reach 45 MB/s at most 09:43:59 <Chrill> which is a decent speed, admittedly 09:44:45 <Chrill> this silly Cox highspeed internet 09:44:52 <Zuu> often the router is a bottleneck if you have 100 Mbit. 09:44:54 <Chrill> is doing around 13 MB/s up and 5 MB/s down 09:44:58 <Chrill> indeed, Zuu 09:45:03 <Chrill> but my computer was the bottleneck here 09:45:09 <Chrill> since my father could reach around 70-80 MB/s 09:45:12 <Chrill> on his LAPTOP 09:45:21 <Chrill> not when wireless, though 09:46:32 <Chrill> I guess us Swedes are just used to higher standards of Internet :P 09:46:32 <Eddi|zuHause> slow hard drive? 09:46:37 <Chrill> slow computer :p 09:47:21 <Eddi|zuHause> your gbit-network-card was accessed through the PCI bus, which doesn't reach that speed? 09:47:37 <Chrill> I don't even know what that means 09:47:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and stop giving bandwidth in MB... it's confusing 09:51:50 <Chrill> hm, back to Japan 09:52:02 <Chrill> the radioactive material is leaking, per hour, at the permitted rate per year 09:52:07 <Chrill> which doesn't tell me much, but still 09:52:57 <Chrill> The "outer structure of the containment building of Unit 1" is apparently gone 09:53:45 <peter1138> Basically, it's bad, but not Chernobyl bad. 09:55:08 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:08 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:57:41 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 09:58:46 <__ln__> http://viljami.ylilauta.fi/b/src/129991845633.jpg 09:59:00 <Chrill> peter1138: perfect summary 09:59:42 <peter1138> __ln__... 10:00:21 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has joined #openttd 10:00:50 <Chrill> __ln__: seriously? do Americans act THAT fucking moronic? 10:00:56 <Chrill> Wow, that just sickens me 10:01:09 <Chrill> so yeah, they bombed pearl harbor, but who dropped nukes? 10:01:21 <Chrill> had it been karma, this would've happened to NY 10:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't they have three mile island? 10:02:58 <Chrill> yeah 10:03:02 <Chrill> true 10:04:50 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:05:26 *** grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 10:09:54 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-47-237.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:11:46 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-108-94.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 10:13:20 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-108-94.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [] 10:15:39 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.240.0.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:37 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:41:36 <__ln__> http://apina.biz/39129.png 10:42:24 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:42:55 <Nite> Hi 10:43:35 <Nite> i noticed that "hp" of trains is no round number in rc2 anymore (using nars2), why so? 10:43:44 <grzywacz> __ln__, sad 10:46:54 <Nite> no info bout it? 10:51:51 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.240.46.90] has joined #openttd 10:53:50 <Alberth> afaik a missing conversion factor in the display code was added 10:55:14 <Terkhen> hello 10:56:52 <andythenorth> hi Terkhen 10:57:03 * andythenorth is tempted to try and get tycoon rating for the first time....in a long time 10:57:19 <andythenorth> I think I have too many loss-making feeders though :( 10:58:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite: there was something about difference between imperial HP (around 745W) and metric HP (around 735W) or so 10:58:30 <andythenorth> heh 10:58:36 <andythenorth> CHIPS has 499 downloads 10:58:41 * andythenorth is a bit of a number-watcher :P 10:58:59 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that doesn't tell anything... 10:59:03 <andythenorth> I like to see them tick over 10:59:46 <andythenorth> sadly I once spent a weekend hitting refresh to see something tick over 16 million :P 11:02:06 <Nite> ty eddi 11:07:12 * andythenorth never uses FISH ferries as faster goods ships 11:07:18 <andythenorth> although it would make sense 11:07:25 * andythenorth is puzzled about that 11:14:24 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9732.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:29:40 *** anythingffs [~Miranda@5ad9452a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:31:07 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 11:32:00 <anythingffs> guys, something weird is happening with my planes, I've got auto renew on and disasters off but they still seem to disappear.. actually I think there are disaster even though I've turned them off. Is this a bug? v1.0.1 11:32:17 <Chrill> they could just be crashing upon landing 11:32:24 <Chrill> you're not flying large airplanes to small airports? 11:34:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host103-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:34:22 <anythingffs> maybe one or two 11:34:24 <Eddi|zuHause> anythingffs: disable airplane crashes is a separate option 11:34:31 <anythingffs> ah thanks 11:34:35 <anythingffs> what section? 11:34:38 <Wolf01> hello 11:34:40 <peter1138> There's an option for that now? Heh 11:34:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it was introduced, yes. 11:35:40 <anythingffs> but not in v1.0.1? 11:36:11 <anythingffs> cant see anything in Advanced Settings 11:36:24 <Eddi|zuHause> no, probably not 11:37:53 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it's there in 1.0.5 11:38:01 <anythingffs> where? 11:38:03 <Eddi|zuHause> under vehicles, next to the plane speed 11:38:17 <andythenorth> number of plane crashes 11:38:20 <andythenorth> none / reduced / normal 11:38:24 <Chrill> hey i've been wondering something 11:38:37 <Chrill> are trains running on electricity having reduced speed in the same way as airplanes? 11:38:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Chrill: no 11:38:56 <Eddi|zuHause> all trains have the same speed 11:39:03 <Chrill> cus I've always have the impression that a 120kph electricity is slower than a 120kph steamer :P 11:39:16 <anythingffs> damn, dont have a Planes section 11:39:17 <Chrill> had* 11:39:28 <Chrill> anythingffs: not a section 11:39:29 <Eddi|zuHause> anythingffs: it's not a section. 11:39:42 <anythingffs> lol 11:39:49 * anythingffs is blind as a bat 11:40:00 * Chrill hugs anythingffs 11:40:05 <anythingffs> thanks guys, finally got it 11:40:14 <Eddi|zuHause> anythingffs: mind you, this doesn't disable crashes for large airplanes on small airports 11:41:40 <anythingffs> so Communter size is too small for Dinger 200? 11:41:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i believe so. 11:42:47 <anythingffs> ok thanks 11:43:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the game should really tell that in the buy menu... but i suppose nobody bothered to implement that... 11:43:15 <Eddi|zuHause> some plane newgrfs display it as additional text 11:53:46 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-30-124.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:56:49 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFD5D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:59:15 <fjb> Moin 12:01:59 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 12:04:01 <DanMacK> Hey all 12:04:49 <andythenorth> hi DanMacK 12:13:24 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:13:38 <Hyronymus> hi 12:13:49 <Hyronymus> any NML savvy's around 12:15:09 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.240.46.90] has left #openttd [] 12:15:16 <Yexo> yes 12:15:59 <Hyronymus> hi Yexo 12:16:14 <Hyronymus> how can one code a livery change dependant on date 12:17:18 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:17:38 <Yexo> by using a switch-block 12:17:42 <Yexo> do you already use one of those? 12:18:55 <Hyronymus> I'm looking at the examples on the site 12:19:19 <Hyronymus> livery_override (vehicleID) { 12:19:21 <Hyronymus> spritegroup_name 12:19:30 <Yexo> switch (FEAT_TRAINS, SELF, my_switch, current_date) { 0..date(1980, 1, 1): livery1_group; date(1980, 1, 2)...0xFFFFFF: livery2_group; } 12:19:36 <Yexo> ^^ something like that 12:20:22 <Hyronymus> ok, so no livery overriding 12:20:39 <Yexo> livery override is to have special graphics for a wagon depending on the engine it's attached to 12:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the x..y ranges are inclusive on both sides? 12:21:12 <Hyronymus> but I recalled it was the way to achieve a new livery (!) in old school grf 12:21:21 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: yes 12:21:22 <Eddi|zuHause> the documentation wasn't clear about this 12:21:33 <Yexo> same as nfo 12:21:43 <Hyronymus> k 12:21:47 <Yexo> Hyronymus: I really doubt that 12:21:47 <Hyronymus> bad memory 12:21:59 <Yexo> livery_override = action3 12:22:52 <Hyronymus> let's experiment a bit 12:23:05 <Eddi|zuHause> how does livery override react if the "overriding" engine is not the front engine? 12:23:48 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. if i have a consist ABC where A is an engine, B is a second engine with a livery override, and C is a wagon? 12:24:04 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: the livery override is for wagons, not for engines 12:24:14 <Yexo> so C would have a livery override depending on the engine 12:24:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: ok. but is A or B the relevant object for this override? 12:24:40 <rane> why all renewal trainsets have stupid speed restictions 12:24:46 <Yexo> if A and B are both engines, the livery override for B is used as graphics for C. If there is no livery override for B, the general graphics are used 12:25:24 <Eddi|zuHause> ok 12:25:44 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 12:27:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host103-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 12:27:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host103-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:28:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.12.7.71] has joined #openttd 12:29:29 <DanMacK> define stupis speed restrictions... 12:29:39 <DanMacK> UKRS and NARS are meant to be realistic 12:35:33 <Alberth> because their design goal was different than you think ;) 12:37:38 <Eddi|zuHause> speed restrictions are "stupid" when you have a different limit for each wagon 12:38:04 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host103-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 12:39:31 *** ar3k [~ident@ecy224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:59 *** ar3k [~ident@ecy224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:39:59 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 12:41:01 *** Aylomen [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.162.241.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 12:51:21 <Hyronymus> weird 12:51:40 <Hyronymus> I get "input file dtrains.nml doesn't exist" 12:51:51 <Hyronymus> and I bet it does in the directory I refer to 12:52:13 <Hyronymus> I even saved the syntax from the last succesful compiling 13:00:16 <Yexo> what is the commandline you use? 13:01:09 <Hyronymus> C:\Users\<username>\Documents\OpenTTD\nml-r1118\dtrains\..\nmlc.py dtrains.nml 13:01:19 <Hyronymus> but I did update nml to the latest version 13:01:25 <Yexo> and you are executing that in the directory where dtrains.nml is? 13:01:35 <Hyronymus> uhm 13:01:37 <Hyronymus> no 13:01:44 * Hyronymus runs to the hills 13:05:38 <Hyronymus> brb, reboot 13:11:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7469E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:24 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7469E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:13:32 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:37 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4359.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:19:09 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 13:19:46 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... need opinions: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/longwag.grf www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/longwagtest2.sav 13:22:06 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:22:16 <Hyronymus> back 13:22:18 <Hyronymus> works now 13:22:27 <Hyronymus> except for a coding error 13:22:40 *** APTX [APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:40 *** APTX [APTX@89-77-188-241.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 13:23:58 <Hyronymus> and I think I made a mistake with the ID part 13:25:03 <Hyronymus> can you have a look at my product, Yexo 13:25:04 <Hyronymus> http://pastebin.com/MN48N9xQ 13:26:16 <Yexo> you need to create two spritesets and two spritegroups 13:26:51 <Yexo> replace the "graphics { NS1200_group }" with "graphics { colour_1865; }" 13:27:29 <Yexo> in the switch-block use the spritegroup names instead of "engines_elected" / "engines_electric1" 13:27:47 <Hyronymus> ok 13:27:55 <Hyronymus> I was thinking something like that 13:28:10 <Yexo> it looks like both templates are almost identical (singie 18vs19, fifth line) 13:28:17 <Yexo> if they are completely identical you can remove one of them 13:28:34 <Hyronymus> they are mirrored 13:28:41 <Hyronymus> for testing purpose :) 13:29:02 <Yexo> the graphics don't have to be the same, as long as the numbers in the template are 13:29:28 <Hyronymus> no, but I'm not that creative today 13:29:34 <Hyronymus> so I re-used the same images 13:29:40 <Hyronymus> but mirrored 13:31:17 *** TGYoshi [4da7286d@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:31:32 <TGYoshi> haiall xD 13:31:39 <Chrill> HAIALL 13:31:44 <TGYoshi> o.o 13:31:47 <Chrill> :( 13:32:00 <TGYoshi> :) 13:32:03 <Chrill> :D 13:32:06 <Chrill> my back hurts 13:32:08 <Chrill> now you all know 13:32:14 *** shmore [~shmore@dhcp-0-12-17-51-3b-2d.cpe.mountaincable.net] has joined #openttd 13:32:24 <TGYoshi> Wow 13:32:37 <TGYoshi> No 1.1.0 servers left o.o 13:32:41 <TGYoshi> I think I'm un-to-date xD 13:33:08 <Yexo> Hyronymus: try http://pastebin.com/G84We6M7 13:34:00 <TGYoshi> What's new in RC2? 13:34:06 <Hyronymus> ooh, thx yexo 13:34:08 *** shmore [~shmore@dhcp-0-12-17-51-3b-2d.cpe.mountaincable.net] has left #openttd [] 13:34:24 <Yexo> TGYoshi: go to download page on openttd.org and click "changelog" on the right 13:34:29 <Eddi|zuHause> TGYoshi: what's wrong with the changelog? 13:35:12 <Chrill> nobody said anything's wrong? :P 13:35:38 <TGYoshi> ahhh 13:35:40 <TGYoshi> found it, ty 13:36:16 <TGYoshi> do I have to redownload the opengrf stuff actually? 13:36:22 <TGYoshi> I never update that 13:36:32 <Yexo> no 13:36:44 <TGYoshi> ok :p 13:36:48 <Yexo> just go to online content after starting the game to get the last version 13:36:54 <Yexo> if there is an update that is 13:37:13 <Eddi|zuHause> TGYoshi: it'll tell you when it's missing a sprite, then just go to online content and update 13:37:58 <TGYoshi> so much hidden stuff I never knew about :D 13:40:13 <Hyronymus> Yexo: nmlc: Syntax error, unexpected end-of-file 13:40:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Hyronymus: forgot to close a {}? 13:40:58 <Yexo> a missing } at the end of file 13:40:59 <Hyronymus> checking 13:41:03 <Yexo> it's missing already in your pastebin 13:41:45 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah: item { property {} graphics {} } <-- last one is missing 13:41:56 <Hyronymus> countinf {}'s remains difficult :P 13:43:57 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9732.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:08 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-149-29-223.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:44:31 <LordAro> moin 13:44:42 <Hyronymus> lol, now I get a paletter error 13:44:50 <Hyronymus> means re-editing the file 13:46:06 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9732.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:47:50 <LordAro> hmmm, can anyone see any actual diff? http://pastebin.com/trHsv3qM 13:48:08 <LordAro> my 'hg diff' comand line just outputted it 13:48:19 <LordAro> i haven't (knowingly) changed anything... 13:48:21 <Yexo> LordAro: probably line endings 13:49:09 <LordAro> Yexo: yes, you're right, i edited it in wordpad once... 13:49:22 <LordAro> is there an easy way to change it back? 13:49:33 <Yexo> dos2unix <filename> 13:50:07 <LordAro> where can i find that program? (windoze vista) 13:50:18 <Yexo> mingw/cygwin 13:50:33 <Yexo> or just use a proper text editor, most have a way to set the line endings 13:50:55 <Yexo> hg revert <filename> also works, but you'll lose any intentional edits you did 13:51:15 <LordAro> that'll be easiest, thanks :) 13:52:13 * LordAro hates not having admin rights *soooo* much... :L 13:58:24 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 13:59:58 <Hyronymus> this is crappy 14:00:11 <Hyronymus> I open images with pain.net and the proper palette 14:00:16 <Hyronymus> *paint.net 14:00:35 <Hyronymus> yet it produces colours that aren't defined by the palette file 14:00:44 <Hyronymus> and definetly screws up the alpha channel 14:01:14 <TGYoshi> all going to celebrate pi day? 14:01:19 <TGYoshi> wow offtopic xD 14:02:45 <Yexo> alpha channel? a 8bit paletted image doesn't have an alpha channel 14:03:45 <Hyronymus> no, it should be FF 14:04:04 <Hyronymus> I don't get it, paint.net never caused problems before 14:05:19 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:42 *** dfox_ [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:13:06 <Hyronymus> ok, how do I get a valid palette 14:17:17 <Yexo> sorry, can't help you with that 14:19:06 <Eddi|zuHause> # Birnenschnapps und Apfelwein, wir tun wirklich alles rein 14:20:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-240-119.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:22:17 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... nobody bothered to look at my test-grf? 14:23:11 <Hyronymus> sorry, trying to figure out the palette issue 14:24:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Hyronymus: the easiest way to get a file with the correct palette is to use "grfcodec -d -p1" (or -p2) on an existing grf 14:24:35 <Hyronymus> and p2 is windows? 14:24:38 <Eddi|zuHause> but i have never used paint.net, i don't know the specifics involved there for keeping the palette 14:24:48 <Hyronymus> you use paint? 14:24:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i only used gimp 14:25:07 <Hyronymus> oh, horrible porgram :P 14:25:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it needs some flag like "don't remove unused colours from the palette" or so 14:25:22 <Hyronymus> does it still have 4+ instances on your taskbar 14:26:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Hyronymus: it's worse: the tool-window doesn't get an entry there, so you can't pull it to front 14:26:20 <Hyronymus> lol 14:30:09 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.242.99.226] has joined #openttd 14:36:19 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:36:49 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:05 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:17 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 14:43:21 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:43:44 <supermop> well, things are sure not looking good now 14:44:59 <Hyronymus> where? 14:45:04 <supermop> unless you are in the coal industry 14:46:34 <supermop> At the Fukushima plant 14:46:46 <supermop> the containment building just collapsed 14:47:19 <__ln__> it did? 14:47:26 <supermop> yeah, 14:47:49 <supermop> likely due to hydrogen pressure from the water they were pumping in 14:48:04 <supermop> so far the reactor vessel seems to be in tact 14:48:15 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:22 <supermop> so that's less awful than it could be 14:49:35 <__ln__> i have to re-paste this: http://viljami.ylilauta.fi/b/src/129991845633.jpg 14:49:50 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has joined #openttd 14:51:20 <Hyronymus> yexo, I'm suspicious the palette error is on nmlc's side 14:51:41 <Hyronymus> I tried it with 2 images we used in the dutch trainset back then 14:51:57 <Hyronymus> images from 2006, never edited, not even their name 14:52:22 <Yexo> what is the exact error you get? 14:54:22 <SmatZ> supermop: nah, it will be fine :) 14:54:28 <Hyronymus> nmlc: Image file "0A C DanMacK Sep 11 2005 yellow 89" image does not have a palette 14:55:35 <Yexo> you should only get that message if the file is saved as RGB/RGBA file 14:55:57 <Yexo> wait, is that the exact error message? 14:56:04 <LordAro> __In__: typical americans... useless idiots :/ 14:56:08 <Yexo> you have a file called "0A C DanMacK Sep 11 2005 yellow 89" ? 14:56:14 <Hyronymus> no, .png 14:56:20 <Hyronymus> ;) 14:56:37 <Yexo> what, "0A C DanMacK Sep 11 2005 yellow 89.png" ? 14:56:43 <Hyronymus> yes 14:57:13 <Yexo> could you send me that file somehow? email/forum pm? 14:57:24 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 14:57:27 <Hyronymus> forum pm 14:57:42 <Hyronymus> I'll also send my code 14:59:35 <Hyronymus> done 15:00:20 <LordAro> hmm: would this work? http://pastebin.com/WW8TkjZg (the REPO_REVISION line does, just the other line) 15:03:30 <Yexo> Hyronymus: well, that's definitely not a paletted image 15:05:02 <Hyronymus> hmm 15:05:09 <Hyronymus> so how come we used it :s 15:06:10 <Hyronymus> anyhow, some hypothethical talk here: if I open file I got from decoding 15:06:34 <Hyronymus> save the pcx as png, what can change? 15:07:19 <Eddi|zuHause> a) you can decode into a png rightaway. b) you may miss a checkbox about "save as paletted" 15:07:19 <Yexo> depending on the program you use for that, a lot 15:09:42 <Hyronymus> I'm sending you a new file 15:09:48 <Hyronymus> can you have a look at that 15:10:06 <Yexo> sure 15:10:44 <confound> I found a scenario that needs a grf that I can't find anywhere on grfcrawler (newtown_415.grf). is there anywhere else I should look? 15:11:30 <Zuu> you could take a look ath the #openttcoop grf pack 15:11:44 <Hyronymus> sent Yexo 15:11:53 <Zuu> (assuming you have already checked on banans as well) 15:11:58 <Ammler> not in that pack :-) 15:12:15 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host86-149-29-223.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:21 <Yexo> yes, it is 15:12:44 <Hyronymus> so if I edit from that file it should be OK? 15:12:52 <confound> it's not there 15:12:58 <confound> thanks, though, that was a good idea 15:13:18 <Yexo> yes 15:13:22 <confound> I did also check bananas 15:13:33 <Ammler> confound: you tried yahoo already? 15:13:40 <Hyronymus> well, let's see what I can do then 15:13:45 <Hyronymus> back to the editing board 15:13:51 <confound> I tried google, anyway 15:14:04 <Ammler> well, I meant that, I just don't say that word :-) 15:14:15 <confound> I mostly found people talking about their games where they sed it 15:14:16 <confound> used 15:14:40 <Hyronymus> yexo: one more thing 15:14:59 <Hyronymus> how does nlc deal with spritesets that conitnue on a new line 15:15:03 <Hyronymus> *nmlc 15:15:16 <Yexo> it doesn't care about newlines 15:15:38 <Hyronymus> it just always looks for 8 sprites 15:15:49 <Yexo> it doesn't even count them 15:15:57 <Yexo> it'll encode as many as you provide 15:16:25 <Hyronymus> ok, but I don't provide any "distance" between the several images in a set 15:16:47 <Yexo> that doesn't matter 15:17:04 <Hyronymus> it assumes white space needs to be skipped and reads from left to right 15:17:06 <Ammler> confound: maybe it was just a prerelease of ttrs, so not really worth 15:17:53 <confound> maybe, but I can't play this scenario without it, can I? 15:18:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Hyronymus: whitespace is ignored. only the [] and {} brackets count 15:18:16 <Hyronymus> k 15:19:07 *** LordAro [56951ddf@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:19:18 <Eddi|zuHause> bah... i need something deterministic about the anchor points... this is all trial and error... 15:19:31 <Ammler> confound: found a torrent with it :-) 15:19:41 <LordAro> no one knows about make? ;) 15:20:29 <confound> did you ask a question about make and I missed it? 15:21:04 <Hyronymus> nmlc says no 15:21:30 <LordAro> confound: earlier, i've exited and rejoined since then 15:21:38 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: you miss a _? 15:21:39 <Hyronymus> nmlc: image file "dutctrainsetw.png": Palette is not recogniszed as a valid platte. 15:22:04 <Hyronymus> (minus the spelling mistakes) 15:22:26 <Hyronymus> the same file Yexo got 15:22:58 <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: ignore that, just the syntax itself (i don't have the facility to test myself :( ) 15:23:50 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: i'm no make guru either, but the inner $() seems superfluous 15:24:42 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: the other question is: what do you want/expect it to do? 15:25:06 <LordAro> add 96 to the previous number 15:25:10 <LordAro> :) 15:26:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i really have no idea... 15:27:18 <Yexo> Hyronymus: after looking at the file again I can only agree with nml 15:27:31 <Yexo> the palette of that file isn't even remotely the same as the TTD dos or TTD windows palette 15:28:13 <Hyronymus> so in saving from pcx to png paint.net screws up the palette 15:28:23 <Hyronymus> does nmlc support pcx 15:28:29 <Yexo> yes 15:28:37 <Hyronymus> let's see then 15:29:37 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@115.242.27.59] has joined #openttd 15:29:42 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9732.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:00 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.242.99.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:26 <Zonta1> Good Morning 15:37:37 <Hyronymus> FINALLY success 15:37:40 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@115.242.27.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:47 <peter1138> This was a triumph? 15:37:58 <Hyronymus> I have a 1200 making tracks 15:38:08 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... the bounding box of a vehicle is only 7 instead of 8? 15:38:09 <Hyronymus> and changing colour when I want 15:44:02 <Hyronymus> thx for the coding tip Yexo 15:44:14 <Hyronymus> can I still ask something else :P 15:44:39 <Hyronymus> is it possible to have capacity overrides 15:44:57 <Yexo> yes, you'll need to use cb36 for that 15:45:04 <Hyronymus> ok 15:45:12 <Hyronymus> maybe tomorrow I'll try doing that 15:45:38 <Hyronymus> I'm thinking of a new approach towards train capacities 15:47:06 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:48:42 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:50:57 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently the bounding box is set in Train::UpdateDeltaXY(), but i totally don't understand the values given there 15:52:11 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.15/20110303024726]] 15:52:12 *** HyronymusI [~chatzilla@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:52:17 *** HyronymusI is now known as Hyronymus 15:53:18 <Eddi|zuHause> GetVehiclePalette(v) <-- wouldn't that be better as "v->GetPalette()"? 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However, it was in one translation used with "cargo type" which are rarely full. 16:27:19 <Zuu> A load af a cargo type can be full, but not the cargo type itself. :-) 16:28:05 <Zuu> Hm really, the load of cargo can't be full or empty. Only the container that contains the cargo. 16:28:07 <Eddi|zuHause> luckily, we now have an alcohol cargo in FIRS :p 16:37:13 *** Doorslammer [770b0075@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:37:29 *** zachanima [~zach@184-106-221-93.static.cloud-ips.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:38:02 *** zachanima [~zach@dedi.akselii.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:16 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: what is your exact issue with bounding boxes? 16:49:41 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i'm not understanding the values 16:51:14 <frosch123> Vehicle::x_pos and y_pos are the position of the vehicle as in 4/8 from the front (center of a 8/8 vehicle; out of the center for other vehicles -> FS#3569). x_offs and y_offs is the position of the back corner of the bounding box, i.e. the position of the sprite 16:51:45 <frosch123> x_pos and y_pos follow the track and the vehicle rotates around that spot 16:51:59 <frosch123> i.e. currently short vehicles do not rotate around their center 16:55:12 <Eddi|zuHause> so. assuming an 8/8 vehicle, x_pos/y_pos is the center of the sprite, and x_offs/y_offset get added to the anchor point of the sprite? 16:57:39 <frosch123> s/center of the sprite/center of the vehicle/ 16:57:53 <frosch123> rest sounds fine 16:58:05 *** adune [~adune@c-66-41-187-237.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:52 <Eddi|zuHause> err, yes, that i meant... 16:59:32 <Eddi|zuHause> what breaks, if the bounding box is moved for shortened vehicles? 17:01:31 <frosch123> vehicle are rotated around a different spot, train stays in place when reversed, train collide correctly, trains properly reserve/unreserve tracks, trains fit corretly into stations 17:01:49 <frosch123> maybe more :) 17:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause> so, why is that not done yet? :) 17:08:44 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 17:11:56 <Alberth> the issue is not yet closed 17:12:31 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:15:42 <Eddi|zuHause> what i don't understand is why Train::UpdateDeltaXY() uses such a weird bitstuffing, and not an array. 17:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and the meaning of x_extent/y_extent 17:18:45 <frosch123> x_extend and y_extent are the size of the bounding box 17:18:51 <frosch123> they do not matter for the vehicle position 17:19:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but why are they negative values? 17:20:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and they seem too small vs what is visible in the game 17:20:08 <frosch123> you are confusing the numbers 17:20:17 <frosch123> _offs are negative, _extent are positive 17:20:19 <Eddi|zuHause> ah 17:20:20 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 17:20:32 <Eddi|zuHause> see... this wouldn't happen if it were an array :p 17:21:18 <frosch123> it was already changed for aircraft :p 17:22:06 <Eddi|zuHause> this is a great example of "bad code" :p 17:25:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and i have a feeling i should do 12 views, not 8. fits better into the concept 17:28:52 *** Doorslammer [770b0075@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:34:21 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.icjt.org/plants/uni/a/uni194a.html <- am i evil or crazy when reading the last line i think "then better go out with a bang"? 17:46:56 <Vikthor> Eddi|zuHause: That page looks outdated, eg. it still lists Temelin power plant as "Under Construction" 17:47:27 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has joined #openttd 17:49:39 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Vikthor: it also says commercial operation since 2001 17:55:51 <Vikthor> Well, OK then for two reactors of Jaslovské Bohunice PP it lists expected shutdown dates in past (they were already shut down) 17:59:34 *** smerft [58b2e947@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:00:07 *** smerft [58b2e947@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 18:00:39 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, maybe it's not a "real time" updated site... but it's rather static data that is known a long time ahead 18:00:52 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@adsl-99-135-229-43.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:01:11 <Eddi|zuHause> but indeed, it doesn't say when the data was recorded 18:13:48 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@adsl-99-129-145-130.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 18:30:33 *** Macha [~Macha@109.76.57.51] has joined #openttd 18:31:14 *** Macha [~Macha@109.76.57.51] has left #openttd [] 18:35:51 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3A90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:40:09 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:41:43 <TGYoshi> lala 18:41:47 <TGYoshi> my company is failing xD 18:41:54 <TGYoshi> building though farmlands isn't great 18:45:28 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: translators * r22234 /trunk/src/lang/swedish.txt: 18:45:28 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:28 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: swedish - 2 changes by Zuu 18:57:33 *** sla_ro|vista [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 19:01:00 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:52 <TGYoshi> Pfff 19:30:05 <TGYoshi> I will never understand how people start great.. 19:30:12 <TGYoshi> I always run out of money :D 19:30:56 <peter1138> Start with a couple of simple money earners. 19:31:21 <peter1138> Don't worry about the route much, so long as your vehicles can make it and churn over the cash. 19:31:36 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:44 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:32:19 <TGYoshi> I usually start with one long line of 7 long 19:32:25 <TGYoshi> Then put one train there.. 19:32:30 <TGYoshi> Coal > something 19:32:44 <TGYoshi> Then I always run out of money and have to wait 15 minutes.. 19:32:48 <TGYoshi> That fails pretty much 19:33:52 <TGYoshi> In single player it's working fine though, fast forward 19:36:23 <peter1138> Then your line is too long, I guess. 19:36:39 <peter1138> I aim for a couple of starter lines. 19:36:49 <TGYoshi> and people told me I have to create loooong lines :P 19:36:51 <peter1138> Often one is bound to go tits up :) 19:37:03 <peter1138> For most profit, yeah. But it's not so good when starting. 19:37:07 <TGYoshi> Two 'smaller' ones? 19:37:19 <TGYoshi> Kinda expensive 19:37:34 <TGYoshi> One train engine thingy is already 40/50k.. 19:39:11 <TGYoshi> by the way.. 19:39:20 <TGYoshi> Sometimes I see people using small railroad passages 19:39:26 <TGYoshi> Not the full track double-lined 19:39:34 <TGYoshi> that works right? 19:42:06 <peter1138> Yeah, no point starting off with double track. 19:45:12 <TGYoshi> hmmz 19:45:34 <TGYoshi> you've got a picture lieing around with a good very-very-begin setup or so? :P 19:46:45 <peter1138> Nope, I've not played for too long, heh 19:47:20 <TGYoshi> lol 19:58:23 <Eddi|zuHause> bah... i hate this length distortion in _ view 20:00:16 <Eddi|zuHause> if i go by the bounding box, a vehicle is 3 wide in / and \ view, but if i apply that width to the | view, it would be 12 pixels 20:02:20 <Eddi|zuHause> if i go by the (better looking) 8 pixels for 3 width, then the _ view should be shorter by 1/3 as well, so 20 or 24 pixels instead of 32 20:04:05 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 32*0.7 20:04:05 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 22.4 20:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 32/24 20:04:14 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 1.33333333333 20:04:26 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 24/32 20:04:26 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 0.75 20:04:30 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 20/32 20:04:30 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 0.625 20:07:00 <peter1138> Follow the TTD graphics ;) 20:07:24 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: the problem is, that creates insane gaps, so it doesn't really help 20:10:21 <Eddi|zuHause> also problem with 24 pixel-vehicles is, shortened vehicles need "odd" sizes/positions 20:10:44 <Eddi|zuHause> steps of 3 pixels 20:43:36 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 20:55:24 <grzywacz> TGYoshi, shorter lines and two trains, one short double-track segment so they can pass by each other 20:55:33 <grzywacz> TGYoshi, two trains will keep the rating high 20:55:50 *** TGYoshi [4da7286d@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:56:49 <grzywacz> ~_~ 21:05:38 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecy224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 21:06:17 *** supermop__ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:09:33 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:10:54 *** ar3k [~ident@ecy224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:10:54 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 21:16:31 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 21:17:47 <Eddi|zuHause> # abr vorsicht 21:17:50 <Eddi|zuHause> # is cool man 21:19:23 <frosch123> sometimes eddi frightens me 21:19:28 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yWTQlM1KO8 <-- in case someone wants seriously shitty music :p 21:20:58 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:22:29 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:30 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-172-143.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:27:22 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-52-19.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:20 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:30:38 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-69-232.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:32:10 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 21:33:04 *** supermop__ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop__] 21:35:58 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-172-143.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:24 *** alluke [~52b528fd@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 21:44:25 *** alluke [~52b528fd@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:25 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:05:25 *** Macha [~Macha@109.76.57.51] has joined #openttd 22:05:36 *** Macha [~Macha@109.76.57.51] has left #openttd [] 22:15:16 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-108-85.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 22:20:08 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-69-232.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:36 *** grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:28 *** Aylomen [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.162.241.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:57 *** sla_ro|vista [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: "Peace trough power" - 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