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Log for #openttd on 24th October 2011:
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01:39:33  <FFLaguna> What's that other industrial NewGRF, the one other than ECS?
01:40:16  <FFLaguna> Ah, FIRS
01:41:17  <FFLaguna> Which do most people prefer? ECS or FIRS?
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01:51:28  <Elukka> can't speak for others, but FIRS for me
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02:44:09  <FFLaguna> Haha
02:44:12  <FFLaguna> "Basically I tout Simutrans just to piss off Elukka."
02:44:17  <FFLaguna> From a thread in Dec. 2009
02:44:26  <Elukka> huh.
02:44:29  <FFLaguna> I just saw that randomly while looking for other OpenTTD stuff
02:44:39  <Elukka> oh, relicnews
02:44:50  <FFLaguna> Yeah, I think
02:45:23  <Elukka> played a bunch of openttd games in that community
02:48:09  <DDR_> Hm, I could never really figure out Simutrans. Where OpenTTD is clear and simple, Simutrans... well, let's just say that I had trouble building bridges when I tried a few years ago.
02:48:19  <Elukka> yeah
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06:20:45  <FFLaguna> Is there a keyboard shortcut to DELETE a signal while the signal tool is selected?
06:20:55  <FFLaguna> It's annoying to click and back forth between bulldozer button when adjusting signals :(
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06:22:45  <Noldo> might be r
06:26:24  <FFLaguna> Ohhhhhh YEAH :D
06:26:29  <FFLaguna> You just saved me a LOT of annoyance!!
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06:28:33  <Terkhen> good morning
06:29:24  <Terkhen> FFLaguna: OpenGFX+ Industries lets you customize which default industry chains you want to use
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07:17:43  <planetmaker> moin
07:20:21  <Terkhen> hi planetmaker
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10:51:26  <Arafangion> Simutrans on the iPhone is a joke, also.
10:54:27  <peter1138> oh?
10:54:44  <Arafangion> Lets just say that bridges were the least of my difficulties.
10:55:04  <peter1138> dunno
10:55:13  <peter1138> been about 6 years since i played it
10:55:39  <Arafangion> Well, it was a stupid port.
10:55:45  <Arafangion> Imagine the iphone.
10:55:56  <Arafangion> Now, just *port* the entire thing as-is, with zero UI changes.
10:56:08  <Arafangion> The thing didn't even scroll like an iphone app.
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11:22:33  <Eddi|zuHause> is it really necessary to have both VT95 and VT98 in core?
11:24:00  <peter1138> ooh
11:24:09  <peter1138> shall i go to see katie price book signing?
11:24:12  <peter1138> can i resist?
11:26:32  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, yes, you need every possible engine
11:27:34  <planetmaker> :-P hence asking for 'core' ;-)
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11:28:39  <Celestar> *waves*
11:29:03  <planetmaker> o_O
11:29:06  <planetmaker> hello Celestar
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11:30:20  <__ln__> hÊllo Celestar
11:30:35  <Celestar> how'S stuff ?
11:31:03  <peter1138> woah, celestar
11:31:09  <Celestar> \o peter1138
11:31:54  <Celestar> good to see it'S still basically the same troop :D
11:41:24  <planetmaker> kinda :-)
11:42:54  <Celestar> any everyone's life's still the same? :P
11:43:21  <planetmaker> I guess not ;-)
11:43:37  <Celestar> hrhr
11:45:19  <Celestar> and what
11:45:28  <Celestar> and what's the big news in the Openttd world?
11:47:44  <Eddi|zuHause> lots of little news
11:48:12  <Celestar> I should try it out again I guess :)
11:48:23  <Celestar> haven't gotten around to playing for like 6 months.
11:55:06  <planetmaker> I guess nothing revolutionary got added since then
11:55:41  <Eddi|zuHause> several small newgrf additions, that won't show immediately if you use no such newgrf
11:58:38  <Celestar> nice
11:58:58  <TrueBrain> what?! A Celestar here?!
11:59:01  <TrueBrain> this I cannot believe ...
11:59:22  <Celestar> Sound like Yoda you do
11:59:24  * TrueBrain hugs Celestar deeply
11:59:34  * Celestar hugs back
11:59:38  <TrueBrain> what brings you here? :)
11:59:50  <Celestar> nothing special.
12:00:02  <Celestar> remembering good old times where I spent work days coding openttd? :P
12:00:07  <TrueBrain> :D:D:D
12:00:17  <TrueBrain> the good old days :P
12:00:51  <Celestar> lmao
12:00:56  <Celestar> maybe they'll return at some point :P
12:01:25  <TrueBrain> ghehe
12:01:32  <z-MaTRiX> hi
12:01:41  <z-MaTRiX> someone knows squid?
12:02:17  <TrueBrain> those animals in the sea?
12:02:31  <Celestar> ..proxy?
12:02:45  <TrueBrain> (and Celestar, no, nothing changed, people still query about all questions in this channel :D)
12:03:20  <Celestar> rofl
12:03:20  <planetmaker> and still ask meta questions ;-)
12:03:33  <peter1138> yeah, work days coding openttd, they were fun
12:03:39  <Celestar> indeed ...
12:04:00  <Celestar> peter1138: not coding anymore? ;)
12:04:12  <z-MaTRiX> yeah proxy animal
12:04:14  <z-MaTRiX> :)
12:04:29  <z-MaTRiX> trying to redirect, but it only rewrites request url
12:05:45  <z-MaTRiX> my rewriter gives 302:url back and it doe not work right
12:06:23  <peter1138> Celestar, not a lot
12:09:03  <Celestar> I know what you're talking about.
12:09:18  <Celestar> Things are weird once you have a life
12:09:40  <__ln__> "a life", is that some newgrf or something?
12:10:22  <planetmaker> it's called openttd3D in other discussions
12:11:47  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: no, VOXELS
12:11:50  <TrueBrain> or cubics?
12:11:52  <TrueBrain> I forgot ..
12:13:22  <heffer> Ammler: you got any RPM spec for NML yet by any chance?
12:16:14  <Yexo> heffer: trunk opengfx needs trunk nml. There will be an nml release before the next opengfx release
12:16:40  <heffer> good stuff :)
12:16:59  <heffer> i was just looking for a rpm spec file i can use to base my spec for fedora off :)
12:23:28  <Celestar> Yexo :)
12:27:00  <Yexo> welcome back Celestar :)
12:27:05  <Celestar> thanks :)
12:27:50  <Celestar> ... why is my ping 27 seconds O_o
12:28:51  <TrueBrain> stop using pidgeons as transmission protocol?
12:30:16  <Celestar> it'S called UMTS, but yeah, same thing really.
12:37:07  <planetmaker> heffer, it's part of the repo: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/entry/.devzone/build/nml.spec
12:37:43  <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/LATEST/rpms/ <-- resulte
12:37:44  <planetmaker> -e
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12:45:03  <Eddi|zuHause> mÀh... i think i'm at the limit of the preprocessor...
12:46:18  <planetmaker> hm?
12:46:24  <Eddi|zuHause> i need to preprocess the left side of a #define
12:46:45  <planetmaker> errm...
12:46:57  <Eddi|zuHause> so i can "#define VEH_ID(capacity_switch) CAPACITY"
12:47:38  <Eddi|zuHause> and it must be evaluated to "#define DB_VT12capacity_switch capacity_80_switch"
12:47:50  <Eddi|zuHause> before actually getting #defined
12:48:22  <TrueBrain> #define VEH_ID(x) DB_VT12 # x
12:48:29  <TrueBrain> #define CAPACITY capacity_80_switch
12:48:31  <TrueBrain> done!
12:49:42  <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: that's what currently is defined, but that won't work.
12:50:05  <TrueBrain> haha, no, it wont :)
12:50:11  <TrueBrain> you can't evaluate the left side in a define
12:50:15  <TrueBrain> by definition you cant :)
12:50:20  <Eddi|zuHause> i know
12:50:22  <TrueBrain> (as you are defining it ... :P)
12:50:28  <Eddi|zuHause> but i have to!
12:50:42  <TrueBrain> I think you need a better solutio n;)
12:50:53  <TrueBrain> no clue what you are doing, but it sounds dirty and very wrong
12:51:30  <Eddi|zuHause> nml is too stup^W limited
12:52:05  <Eddi|zuHause> if i do "VEH_ID(capacity_switch) = CAPACITY;" it complains "this cannot be assigned to a parameter"
12:52:23  <Eddi|zuHause> nml needs named constants
12:53:10  <Eddi|zuHause> (CAPACITY evaluates to the name of a switch)
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13:10:48  <Belugas> hello
13:11:12  <z-MaTRiX> printf '%s\n' "$teststr" | sed -re 's;.*google.[^/\.]+/url?[^\&]*q=([^\&]+).*;;' | while IFS= read -d '' -r -n1 c; do [[ $c = % ]] && { read -n2 hex; printf \x"$hex"; } || printf '%s' "$c"; done | sed 's;.*;303:&;'
13:11:53  <z-MaTRiX> made this to be squid url_rewrite app and now google redirection is evaluated onthefly
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13:16:02  <Ammler> heffer: it is part of the repo or you can use the one from suse: https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=nml&project=home%3Aopenttdcoop
13:16:10  <Eddi|zuHause> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/670/ <-- need someone who understans magic...
13:16:18  <Ammler> heffer: also nml is available from pypi
13:17:01  <Celestar> yo Belugas :)
13:17:11  <Eddi|zuHause> purpose should be: go backwards in vehicle chaing, step size 3: find first vehicle with ID>128
13:18:12  <Eddi|zuHause> a) i don't know whether that does actually do that
13:18:20  <Eddi|zuHause> b) i wonder if it could be simplified
13:18:25  <Belugas> ho, the Celestar man :)  hello sir.  nice seeing yuou coming down frm the clouds ;)
13:18:33  <Celestar> :D
13:18:34  <Eddi|zuHause> c) or better put into a procedure
13:18:36  <Celestar> the clouds?
13:18:49  <Ammler> heffer: the spec should be completely compatible to fedora, if not, please report :-)
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13:27:42  <Belugas> Clouds as an expression pointing out to your job
13:27:55  <Belugas> unless you've changed sinc last time ;)
13:33:21  <andythenorth> hola
13:35:10  <Celestar> good question.
13:35:13  <Celestar> when was last time :D
13:35:55  <z-MaTRiX> ahaha
13:35:56  <z-MaTRiX> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_NMxazFqCA&feature=related
13:45:20  <Belugas> hem... it was... a long time ago?
13:47:22  <Celestar> yeah.
13:47:24  <Celestar> pretty
13:48:55  <Belugas> a year ago?
13:49:01  <Belugas> maybe two...
13:49:03  <Belugas> can't tell
13:49:17  <__ln__> 10 days ago: <@DorpsGek> Celestar was last seen in #openttd 39 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 10 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Celestar> hahah
13:49:20  <Belugas> but.. are you  still in aerospatial industry?
13:49:32  <Celestar> hm.
13:53:07  <TrueBrain> he is not allowed to say :D
13:54:13  <planetmaker> dress code: black hat, trench coat and black sun glasses now? :-P
13:57:28  <Celestar> not really.
13:57:33  <Celestar> I'm more like devving software :P
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14:00:08  <Eddi|zuHause> so when's your next openttd patch coming? :)
14:01:47  <Eddi|zuHause> mÀh, my code is definitely not working...
14:04:31  <planetmaker> yeah... I heart that Celestar has a few new OpenTTD projects coming. Can't have heart wrong, can I? :-P (Or did I dream?)
14:04:39  <Celestar> rofl.
14:04:49  <Celestar> I guess all my patches are vs revision 13xxx :P
14:04:56  <Celestar> i.e. futterly useless :D
14:04:56  <planetmaker> hehe
14:05:21  <Belugas> you've always been in software???
14:05:34  <Eddi|zuHause> we need something evil with parallelization :p
14:06:22  <planetmaker> I need a clue why the first hunk is actually needed (used in the last hunk only): http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/grid/150_add_grid_rail.diff
14:10:51  <planetmaker> which all relies on http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/grid/100_draw_gridlines.diff
14:21:33  <Celestar> Belugas: no
14:21:43  <Celestar> Belugas: but I'll tell ye the story later on.
14:21:49  <Celestar> gotta haul my butt to town
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14:43:43  <Trojanin> hi APTX|
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14:56:51  <Belugas> ho... a story!
14:56:53  <Belugas> cool
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15:09:25  <heffer> anyone want to fix the nml doc files directions.png, index.html and old-callbacks.html having executable permissions? :D
15:09:29  <heffer> my rpmlint is crying :D
15:11:02  <peter1138> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EnYMtNlKwQ < tee hee
15:18:20  <MINM> ...owned
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15:23:25  <planetmaker> I made a note on that, heffer
15:24:13  <heffer> planetmaker: thx
15:29:52  <Ammler> heffer: you build head?
15:30:04  <heffer> yes for now
15:30:13  <Ammler> hmm, I thought that was fixed
15:30:19  <heffer> i'm afk for an hour or so :) need to get groceries
15:30:48  <Ammler> maybe some windows guy committed again new bugs ;-)
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17:40:39  <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: LOAD_TEMP(0)<128?LOAD_TEMP(0):STORE_TEMP(-6, 0x10F) <- that probably doesn't work as you expect it to work
17:40:49  <Yexo> the STORE_TEMP(-6, 0x10F) is always executed
17:42:08  <Yexo> if you really want conditional execution of that you'll have to write multiple switch-blocks yourself
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17:51:15  <Wolf01> 'ing
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18:27:52  <Belugas> anyone that can recommand a small midi foot controler? kind like 3-4 switches?  Boss FC300 and Behringher FCB1010 are too big for what i need
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20:05:38  <Wolf01> 'night
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20:55:37  <planetmaker> g'night
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22:18:44  <Eddi|zuHause> ini: invalid value 'weekly' for 'gui.autosave' <-- we need better handling of this. currently it disables autosave completely, instead of choosing a default value of "monthly"
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22:22:38  <Eddi|zuHause> someone pray that my reboot works...
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22:29:51  <Eddi|zuHause> it's alive!
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