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07:38:18  <NGC3982> Morning.
07:38:18  <Terkhen> good morning
07:39:47  <FLHerne> Morning
07:41:58  <NGC3982> Where can i find the recommended hardware specs for dedicated servers? Does that exist? :)
07:42:22  <NGC3982> Im thinking about hosting on a Rasperry Pi, if possible.
07:44:48  <Terkhen> I don't think that they exist, and if they do they probably dont take into account "exotic" platforms
07:45:42  <Terkhen> that said, I tried a 64x64 game on my rpi and it was slowvto the point of unplayability
07:46:38  <Terkhen> although that might be because IIRC the X server graphics are not being accelerated by hardware
07:47:06  <NGC3982> Terkhen: I see.
07:47:42  <NGC3982> Well, yes. Graphics is out of the picture with the RPI. Although, a dedicated server shouldnt be any problems as far as the specs go (compared to a normal PC computer with similar hardware).
07:48:03  <NGC3982> I guess compability can give some challenge.
07:48:38  <Terkhen> the other bottleneck is probably the RAM
07:48:51  <Terkhen> 256 will not let you run big maps
07:48:56  <blathijs> There's Debian packages built for ARM which should pretty much offer out-of-the box functionality
07:49:17  <blathijs> (though they're slightly out of date right now due to a pending release team decision)
07:49:18  <NGC3982> It's 256MB. A dedicated server on a Windows PC barely exceeds 20MB usage, afaik?
07:49:35  <NGC3982> Oh
07:49:37  <NGC3982> The maps, yes.
07:49:40  <NGC3982> Indeed..
07:50:11  <Terkhen> yes, plain debian works, and there is also a debian based distro with packages especially compiled for the rpi
07:54:22  <Terkhen> mine is just going to be a media center
07:54:57  <planetmaker> moin
07:55:04  <NGC3982> That's enough for me to buy one, at least.
07:55:05  <NGC3982> :P
07:57:09  <dihedral> good morning
07:59:56  <NGC3982> http://www.viaembedded.com/en/products/boards/1930/1/VAB-800.html
07:59:58  <NGC3982> Well hello.
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08:08:34  <Terkhen> hi planetmaker and dihedral
08:26:44  <Phazorx> morning
08:32:40  <Terkhen> hi Phazorx
08:35:18  <dihedral> ... a Phazorx :-P
08:44:20  <NGC3982> There is something i miss here
08:44:47  <NGC3982> the VIA VAB-800 has substancially better hardware, but seems to costs half as much as the RPI.
08:45:38  <NGC3982> oh wait
08:45:43  <NGC3982> No it doesn't.
08:46:39  <Phazorx> dih, what are you busy with these days?
08:46:54  <dihedral> sys admin
08:46:54  <Phazorx> aside of counting random phazorxes obviously
08:47:16  <Phazorx> doesnt sound like you are exited with that :)
08:47:25  <dihedral> i (try) to coordinate an IT office
08:47:36  <dihedral> i could be :-P
08:47:37  <Phazorx> big company?
08:47:38  <dihedral> ... but :-D
08:47:40  <dihedral> nope
08:47:51  <dihedral> quote small
08:48:29  <dihedral> i would not mind if someone could give my boss a divine size 9 up the rear
08:49:00  <Phazorx> is your boss it related professional?
08:49:05  <Phazorx> *IT-related
08:50:38  <dihedral> yeah - he just got way too relaxed
08:51:01  <dihedral> and if he does do a job, he only does the parts he thinks are fun
08:51:15  <dihedral> which does not offer very good quality to our customers
08:51:34  <Phazorx> heh, that doesnt sounds very german to me actually
08:51:44  <dihedral> in all honesty, i'd not pay this company a fuck to do shit!
08:52:00  <Phazorx> why dont you work for someone else then if you dont like it there?
08:52:15  <dihedral> Phazorx, he's more american :-P at least from a BMI perspective :-P
08:52:42  <dihedral> well, i will at some point :-P
08:54:24  <dihedral> oh - and for fucks sake i should keep track of every 2 mins
08:54:50  <dihedral> no matter what it is - if it's support, reading emails, etc....
08:55:26  <Phazorx> is he really american>
08:55:34  <Phazorx> cuz that sounds like their management style
08:56:25  <Phazorx> as in bussiness administration coursestaught in us propagate that idea as "efficient time management"
08:57:01  <dihedral> BMI = Body Mass Index ;-)
08:57:19  <NGC3982> BMI is an abomination of measurement.
08:57:36  * NGC3982 took that completely out of context.
08:58:01  <dihedral> he's 2 meters - no matter how you place him on the ground :-P
08:58:24  <Phazorx> looks like you have ideal spherical boss dih
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09:00:15  <Eddi|zuHause> is this one of those "i need a new job" rants?
09:00:22  <dihedral> i like placing him at an angle of 23.4° and spinning him around his own axle, only to see how the cordless phone from his desk starts to orbit :-D
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09:02:47  <dihedral> I hope Eddi|zuHause is not fat and didn't take that personally :-P
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09:04:56  <dihedral> what was that eddi? :-P
09:05:47  <Eddi|zuHause> a... reboot *scary drums*
09:06:32  <Eddi|zuHause> something called ksoftirqd/0 occupied one entire core and wouldn't stop
09:15:00  <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: didi that correlate with some hardware event? like external drive being plugged in?
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09:16:01  <Eddi|zuHause> no, but it correlated roughly with my HDD getting full during recording, which was like 6 hours earlier
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09:16:28  <Eddi|zuHause> but emptying that HDD did not solve anything
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13:33:44  <Belugas> hello
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15:50:55  <Fremen> woot a lot of people in this channel
15:52:24  <Fremen> all idlers :p
15:55:30  <dihedral> i nearly misread your nick and asked if your firstname was gordon :-P
15:58:10  <planetmaker> we just don't talk all the time...
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16:04:59  <dihedral> planetmaker, but when we do, ... :-P
16:05:25  <planetmaker> ... then, of course, all hell breaks loose
16:07:41  <dihedral> hell only breaks loose if __ln__ is around :-P
16:07:42  <Terkhen> Fremen: our "look at the channel interval" is longer than 1 min
16:07:54  <Fremen> ^^
16:08:10  <Fremen> well I am amazed to see people here, let alone so many, which is awesome
16:08:37  <dihedral> and, what i find awsome, you did not start with 'i have a question' :-P
16:08:48  <Fremen> haha
16:09:08  <Fremen> I just discovered openttd, and I feel like I missed a decade
16:09:23  <Fremen> or two
16:10:27  <planetmaker> one and a half ;-)
16:10:39  <Fremen> I feel 14 years old again
16:11:22  <planetmaker> though.. hm. 14 March 2004 is the release date of 0.1.1
16:11:25  <Fremen> but then add an HD monitor :)
16:11:47  <planetmaker> only one? :D
16:12:02  <Fremen> well the second is a 4:3 monitor :p
16:12:37  <dihedral> i prefer using my hd beamer :-P
16:13:42  <Fremen> learning a game again that you played almost 20 years ago feels so much better than all those hi-tech games
16:14:29  <planetmaker> I soon can play it in 3840x1200 :D
16:14:41  <Fremen> O
16:14:44  <Fremen> o_O
16:15:11  <planetmaker> Fremen, it plays quite different to TTD... at least TTD became unplayable to me, being used to OpenTTD's UI
16:15:15  <Fremen> now I just need to find all the great modules
16:15:34  <planetmaker> start with vanilla to get accustomed. Just my 2ct
16:15:36  <Fremen> well yeah but I'm referring to the graphic styly mostly
16:15:52  <Fremen> yeah probably for the best :)
16:16:08  <planetmaker> well... add-ons (NewGRFs) is not only graphics. It's add-ons really. Which have often a large part of programming
16:16:18  <planetmaker> The better ones have like several 10k lines of code
16:16:20  <Terkhen> try a few vanilla games first, then check a few of the thousand forum threads about "the best set of newgrfs"
16:16:56  <planetmaker> NewGRFs can and most often do change game play in one or more aspects
16:17:04  <Terkhen> bbl
16:17:04  <planetmaker> Only few are really only graphics replacement. very few
16:17:26  <Fremen> well I'm just into the 'big experience' in games, like starting in 1830 or something
16:18:18  <planetmaker> generally the experience when starting in 1830 or something is... not good. You need to find a good solution. And there's not many, if at all. Depending on what you want
16:18:50  <Fremen> well the inflation/population should pretty much not be screwed by 1950
16:19:05  <Fremen> I can imagine this is a problem
16:19:29  <planetmaker> depends... I play usually without inflation ;-)
16:19:41  <Fremen> well yeah, you coudl activate it in 1950
16:20:07  <planetmaker> doesn't matter when you activate it. It will run for 170 years from then at most
16:20:19  <planetmaker> the inflation. not the game.
16:20:31  <planetmaker> the game can be reasonably played till year 4999999
16:20:34  <Fremen> well it has to end some day :p
16:21:00  <Fremen> actuallyI'd like to run a server to play on with a friend who hooked me up
16:21:15  <Fremen> so like slow gamespeed an run it for a week or so would be awesome
16:21:36  <planetmaker> game speed is fixed. But you can set the server to only run when someone is connected
16:21:49  <Fremen> ah that's cool
16:23:18  <planetmaker> Given the amount of servers it's probably be easier though to join one of them for the first steps
16:25:24  <Fremen> yeah I'll have to learn a lot about trains again
16:25:38  <Fremen> tried it yesterday without success :p
16:25:39  <planetmaker> learn about trains, signals, refits
16:25:52  <planetmaker> use the wiki. Look at other people savegames
16:26:07  <planetmaker> join servers and look how others solve it. Ask them. Experiment yourself
16:27:16  <Fremen> argh the breakdowns
16:27:33  <Fremen> I'll be softcore and put those off
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16:54:14  * Terkhen always have breakdowns off
16:54:47  <Markk> Same here.
17:00:31  <Fremen> good :d
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17:13:23  <NGC3982> Breakdowns, are they for eating?
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17:22:50  <frosch123> ah, thanks for the reminder
17:29:28  <NGC3982> Fremen: If you wish, you have my server at your service.
17:30:00  <Fremen> sounds great !
17:30:12  <NGC3982> I do think it is online right now
17:30:17  <NGC3982> ttd.dndr.se:3979
17:30:25  <NGC3982> But i have no idea what's on there.
17:30:26  <NGC3982> :)
17:30:51  <Fremen> I'll have a look later this evening :)
17:31:12  <NGC3982> Great. Are you new to the game?
17:32:09  <Fremen> well yeah if you don't count the playtime when I was a kid :)
17:32:15  <NGC3982> Ah, i see.
17:32:32  <Fremen> I played it a lot back then, but yeah hell do I know if I played it right :d
17:33:00  <NGC3982> OpenTTD is the bastard love-Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter-child of TTD deluxe.
17:33:13  <NGC3982> You have a lot to find out, as i see PM told you. :-P
17:33:25  <NGC3982> s/find out/explore
17:33:39  <Fremen> that's great, games where nothing is to find out are not worth playing :)
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17:55:18  <andythenorth> bonjour
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18:11:57  <FLHerne> andythenorth: Hoyo :-)
18:12:02  <andythenorth> lo
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18:25:59  <Wolf01> hello
18:26:07  <Alberth> hello Wolf
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18:41:00  <Fremen> addiction
18:45:02  <Alberth> nah, that's just the first 10 years :)
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20:39:20  <bolli> Hi all
20:40:27  <frosch123> hi bolli
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20:41:02  <bolli> anybody know a program that will convert to a 256 pallette image?
20:41:17  <bolli> other than PSP and Photoshop
20:41:25  <frosch123> gimp
20:41:45  <bolli> I've been trying for hours in gimp... So how?
20:42:05  <frosch123> what exactly do you want to do?
20:42:12  <frosch123> convert 32bpp to 8bpp palette?
20:42:15  <bolli> yes
20:42:37  <frosch123> menu->image->mode->indexed
20:42:39  <bolli> I have a sprite that isn't being accepted into mnlc
20:42:47  <bolli> And then what?
20:42:48  <frosch123> then import the ttd palette, and disable "remove unused colours"
20:43:18  <bolli> Wheres the ttd palette?
20:43:51  <frosch123> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/documents/1
20:44:01  <bolli> thanks
20:44:06  <frosch123> take ttd-newgrf-dos.gpl
20:47:01  <bolli> ah thanks :)
20:47:07  <bolli> Gotten it working now :)
20:51:39  <Rubidium> imagej?
20:52:50  <bolli> hmm
20:52:59  <bolli> I've not gotten my first train ingame...
20:53:14  <bolli> seems good :). Just a shame its about 8ft underground...
20:53:21  <bolli> Some tinkering needed still...
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21:00:54  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:39:55  <frosch123> night
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21:53:21  <andythenorth> Zuu: I thought of one change
21:53:52  <andythenorth> for competitive MP, could you give each company different cargos?
21:53:56  <andythenorth> (as option)
21:55:02  * andythenorth -> bed
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22:27:09  <Zuu> Night
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22:41:56  <Terkhen> good night
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