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00:01:11 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:03:22 *** Psyk [~Psyk@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:35 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCB2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Sturmi] 00:14:20 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:04 * Flygon prods drac_boy 00:31:20 <drac_boy> so what doing flygon? 00:31:36 <Flygon> Well 00:31:39 <Flygon> Just had breakfast 00:31:48 <Flygon> Had a chat to my friend about how animation works 00:32:02 <Flygon> And now I'm going to work on a non-animated image that you probably don't want to view :p 00:33:11 <drac_boy> heh why not? :P 00:34:29 <Flygon> Uuuuuuh 00:34:37 <Flygon> You just wouldn't @_@ 00:35:36 <drac_boy> you're a weird one? ;) 00:37:30 <Flygon> I'll take this to query 00:45:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:53:05 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-027-242.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 01:02:39 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:17:55 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 01:17:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 01:24:01 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-112-120.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:35:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C22A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 01:41:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.165.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:41 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.19.19.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:51:08 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.19.19.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 01:51:26 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.19.19.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [] 01:51:52 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 01:53:00 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 02:04:57 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e413.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 02:46:52 <Supercheese> @seen Pikka 02:46:52 <DorpsGek> Supercheese: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 28 weeks, 1 day, 20 hours, 12 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <Pikka> hello Alberth 02:49:29 <Bad_Brett> 28 weeks?? 02:53:16 <Supercheese> apparently so 02:53:46 <Supercheese> If I had to guess, I'd postulate the drama related to SAC & simuscape is related to his extended absence. Either that and/or he's busy IRL 03:33:36 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 03:52:28 <Bad_Brett> what is simuscape? 03:52:36 <Supercheese> http://www.simuscape.net/simutalk/index.php 03:52:45 <Supercheese> (requires registration) 03:52:56 <Bad_Brett> yeah i'm there now 03:52:58 <Supercheese> Relatively new forums operated by SAC 03:53:13 <Supercheese> it's... complicated 03:55:40 <Bad_Brett> i don't get it... is it another tt clone? 03:57:09 <Bad_Brett> ok... 03:57:31 <Bad_Brett> it's some kind of... artist guild? 03:57:32 <Supercheese> From what I've gathered, SAC didn't like certain things about OTTD & TT-forums 03:57:52 <Supercheese> So apparently the solution was a new forum 03:58:37 <Supercheese> Now, you have to go there to download certain GRFs 03:58:51 <Supercheese> since the people at Simuscape generally don't like BaNaNaS for one reason or another and refuse to use it 03:59:32 <Bad_Brett> well that kind of sucks 03:59:56 <Supercheese> Well, it's better than not being able to get those GRFs at all 04:00:05 <Supercheese> but yeah, it's definitely not optimal 04:01:06 <Supercheese> Currently, the only major GRFs you have to go to Simuscape for are the Canadian set grfs 04:01:28 <Supercheese> There's some other minor grfs there too 04:01:51 <Supercheese> "Minor" and "major" being categories I completely made up ;) 04:01:56 <Bad_Brett> :) 04:04:04 <Bad_Brett> but i still don't get it 04:04:12 <Bad_Brett> what's wrong with BaNaNaS? 04:04:59 <Supercheese> That's very much a matter of opinion 04:05:12 <Supercheese> Me? I think it has only minor UI issues 04:05:44 <Supercheese> Others? Different opinions 04:07:48 <Bad_Brett> Hmm 04:08:20 <Bad_Brett> I haven't released anything yet so I guess I don't know too much about these issues 04:09:41 <Bad_Brett> so pikka is doing his updates there now? 04:09:47 <Supercheese> No 04:10:06 <Supercheese> Pikka is sticking with Bananas and TT forums, when he posts updates (which is pretty infrequently) 04:11:42 <Bad_Brett> good 04:12:56 <Bad_Brett> so, are you working on something right now? 04:13:06 <Supercheese> Star Trek Online :) 04:13:14 <Supercheese> not OTTD related, of course 04:13:29 <Supercheese> but I've had a request for above-ground versions of the subways 04:13:40 <Supercheese> so I'll probably work on that over Christmas break 04:14:45 <Bad_Brett> cool 04:32:26 *** roadt_ [~roadt@223.240.105.114] has joined #openttd 04:35:42 <Supercheese> Anyway, gotta "livestream" Assassin's Creed 3 --- to my family in the other room! 04:35:53 <Supercheese> valete omnes 04:35:57 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 05:01:48 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@93.198.118.161] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD56BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:16:45 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCB2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:33:20 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCB2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Sturmi] 06:49:06 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 07:09:45 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 07:22:05 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 07:31:38 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:32:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:32:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 07:32:53 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:34:35 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:43:00 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:52:58 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 07:58:45 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 08:05:22 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 08:08:22 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:10:35 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-22-174.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:28:46 *** Polleke [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 08:31:58 *** Polleke_ [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 08:35:06 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:38:16 *** Polleke [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:26:26 *** morten [~morten@37.44.182.37] has joined #openttd 09:26:47 <morten> Hi all, anybody awake? :) 09:31:14 <morten> i do have a severe problem in openttd, an that is; i have three lcd-screens populated at one dualhead card and one singelhead card setup with xinerama. i'm running linux mint v 14. when i play openttd and try to move the board after some time (various) the board is thrown up left, and is very hard to get out of there. should i file a bug on this? 09:38:35 <peter1138> board? 10:06:30 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:55 <Eddi|zuHause> (that's like the 5th person now with scrolling issues) 10:32:34 *** Polleke_ [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:45:34 <peter1138> xinerama still works? heh 10:45:46 <peter1138> hm 10:48:25 <morten> don't the developers live on this irc? 10:48:38 <peter1138> of xinerama? 10:51:55 <Eddi|zuHause> morten: there were several people now who have the problem that scrolling the map causes it to go to the edge immediately. the initial suspicion was that "gestures" or something interfere with the input OpenTTD thinks it's getting, but nobody has been able to confirm whether disabling gestures solves the problem 10:52:36 <Eddi|zuHause> morten: some on linux, some on win8 10:57:57 <dihedral> hello 10:59:05 *** roadt_ [~roadt@223.240.105.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:46 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 11:22:35 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 11:26:20 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 11:36:41 <morten> so how do we sort this out then? i have no gestures activated in my mint 14 11:42:27 <Eddi|zuHause> morten: we need someone who can reproduce the problem and add/compile some debug code to get to see what's actually going wrong 12:10:45 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:12:30 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:53 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 12:27:05 <drac_boy> hi 12:27:27 <morten> Eddi|zuHause: tell me 12:28:00 <morten> Eddi|zuHause: what do i need to do? 12:28:20 <Eddi|zuHause> morten: how much knowledge of C++ do you have? 12:34:52 <morten> well i'm not a programmer, but i know how to compile 12:45:54 *** roadt_ [~roadt@223.240.105.114] has joined #openttd 12:50:10 <morten> Eddi|zuHause: well i'm not a programmer, but i know how to compile 12:50:20 <Eddi|zuHause> morten: for starters, add printf-s to get some output to variables for mousemovement. e.g. in src/video/sdl_v.cpp:PollEvent add something like printf("mouse x: %d, y: %d\n", ev.motion.x, ev.motion.y) 12:51:55 <Eddi|zuHause> morten: and in src/window.cpp:HandleViewportScroll towards the end (before the return) something like printf("scroll x: %d, y: %d\n", delta.x, delta.y) 13:11:02 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:06 *** Mister_Argent [~kvirc@c-98-226-56-20.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:27 *** Mister_Argent [~kvirc@c-98-226-56-20.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:11:41 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 13:30:18 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:30:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:33:30 <morten> Eddi|zuHause: i'll make it a shot :) 13:34:03 <Eddi|zuHause> (warning: output may be very long) 13:34:44 <morten> Eddi|zuHause: i would like to pass the information to the openttd programmers, is this the right channel to do so? 13:34:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 13:34:57 <morten> ok 13:42:14 <Eddi|zuHause> "City of DÌsseldorf pays marketing company 150.000⬠for coming up with the logo ':D'" 13:53:44 <glx> could be more expensive :) 13:56:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i really hope some bureaucrat has enough brains to rule that it can't be registered as a brand... 13:56:49 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:07:56 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:27:11 <Belugas> hello 14:30:25 <drac_boy> hi belugas 14:30:38 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:34:13 <drac_boy> hm need to go 14:34:14 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 14:35:17 <NGC3982> Hey, let's make a geometric Open Transport Tycoon Universe 14:35:28 <NGC3982> With dyson spherical junctions 14:36:01 <NGC3982> Actually, it would be a cool concept to export to a space mining simulator or something 14:39:43 * Eddi|zuHause does not point to the OpenTTD+500 mess 14:40:51 <NGC3982> Un-googlable, it seems. 14:40:55 <NGC3982> Whazat? 14:41:04 * Pinkbeast does not observe that he thinks the proponent of that idea didn't really help it 14:42:13 <NGC3982> I actually had a dream once, where OpenTTD was put trough different gaming stages, but also scales. 14:42:18 <NGC3982> Like in Spore, or something similar. 14:42:55 <NGC3982> Increasing to a arbitrary future, also increased the number of visible dimensions by one. 14:43:00 <Pinkbeast> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=43449 # OTTD+500 14:43:28 <Pinkbeast> ... although I think it was doomed from the get-go, I don't think the author being an "implement my brilliant ideas" odious creationist helped 14:43:37 <Eddi|zuHause> never played spore... 14:49:52 <NGC3982> "The setting is on Pluto's major moon, Charon" 14:50:16 <Pinkbeast> Although it might as well be Equestria for all the engineering background. :-) 14:50:28 <NGC3982> Doesn't this resemble the only-on-IRC-regurarly-talked-about Tron/Soviet scenarios? 14:51:02 <Pinkbeast> ... interestingly I notice Equestria has gone from horse-drawn wagonways to steam 4-4-0s in a year 14:55:27 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Well, i can't say i don't love the idea. 14:55:41 <NGC3982> But yes, "umm, not to put a dampener on your enthusiasum but what's the difference between this mod and a set of scenarios and gfx packs?" kind of says most of it. 14:56:11 <NGC3982> There are way to few GFX packs based scenarios out there. 14:56:55 <Pinkbeast> Also I think a like amount of effort put into "real" transport for OTTD would yield greater rewards, of interest to many more people 14:57:28 <NGC3982> Indeed. 15:17:32 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:32:18 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:05 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:43:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:43:47 <andythenorth> lo 15:48:59 <Eddi|zuHause> hel 16:19:49 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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There is even a handy warning thrown for such code. 21:10:05 <frosch123> by whom? 21:10:37 <glx> the code is valid 21:10:39 <frosch123> and i have never seen a warning that something is likely to break when optimising :p 21:11:33 <TinoDidriksen> MSVC at /W4 will warn about truncation when implicitly converting to a smaller type. g++ will also do so at -Wall -Wextra or whichever -Wconversion thingy... 21:12:25 <frosch123> maybe, but that does not say that it will corrupt the variable in the calling function 21:12:54 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 21:12:57 <drac_boy> hi 21:13:09 * drac_boy pokes stimrol for some response? :) heh 21:13:44 <glx> and the corruption happens only for win32 release build, x64 has no problems 21:15:06 <TinoDidriksen> Btw, was there ever a new Mac maintainer or dev? 21:15:17 <frosch123> no 21:15:41 <glx> we used to have a Bjarni :) 21:15:46 <frosch123> multiple people have send patches for some bugs on fs 21:16:01 <frosch123> but the testers always said that the patches caused even worse bugs 21:17:34 <__ln___> @seen Bjarni 21:17:34 <DorpsGek> __ln___: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 8 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 58 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh 21:18:19 <__ln___> well there was egladil who did some work on the Mac port, at least. 21:18:38 <SpComb> ENOTENOUGHBJARNI 21:18:58 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:19:19 <TinoDidriksen> Where do you get the nightly OS X builds from then? 21:19:46 <glx> we build them on the server 21:19:50 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 21:19:54 <frosch123> tb built some cross compiler 21:20:01 <TinoDidriksen> Ah 21:20:01 <__ln___> there's an electric Bjarni compiling them every night 21:20:02 <frosch123> though it officially only builds 10.4 binaries 21:20:47 <Rubidium> it definitely is a really ancient compiler 21:21:04 <Rubidium> IIRC 4.0-ish or so 21:22:37 <andythenorth> I should test FS patches for OS X :( 21:22:38 <TinoDidriksen> Well, I have a Mac Mini server with OS X 10.7.5 and latest XCode with clang++. If the code builds, I can set that up to do nightlies. 21:22:40 <andythenorth> when I have some time 21:23:02 <frosch123> https://secure.openttd.org/bugs/task/4744/getfile/8701/openttd-1.2.3-macos-fullscreen-6.patch <- that one is still untested afaik 21:23:09 <andythenorth> WHEN WILL THERE EVER BE ENOUGH TIME? 21:23:10 <andythenorth> oops 21:23:17 * andythenorth is being insane 21:24:00 <glx> IIRC some openttd features are still "to be coded" for OSX 21:24:01 <Rubidium> TinoDidriksen: the past has proven that such remote builds are too unreliable 21:24:45 <Rubidium> also... the building of OS X binaries is not the problem. The problem is basically writing a complete new backend for every two releases 21:25:05 <SpComb> andythenorth: once you stop doing anything :) 21:25:48 <andythenorth> omg what a complete twat 21:26:04 * andythenorth is reading the 'please centralise all files on the forum, but only the ones I want to find' post 21:26:19 <andythenorth> that's basically a 'please just find what I am looking for for me' wish list 21:26:26 <frosch123> i feel lucky :) 21:26:31 <frosch123> i missed that one 21:26:38 <andythenorth> "I have used the search button, but it returns me a lot of information" 21:26:43 <andythenorth> "What I wanted was to download the files that I want" 21:26:50 <drac_boy> heh 21:26:57 <andythenorth> EUSERISADICK 21:27:23 <frosch123> andythenorth: send him to the nineties, welcome yahoo :) 21:27:33 <andythenorth> and it's a 3 year old gravedig too 21:27:45 <andythenorth> someone is wrong on the internet 21:27:51 <andythenorth> I must stay up all night castigating them 21:28:06 * andythenorth goes to another place 21:28:08 <frosch123> can't you automate that? 21:28:15 <andythenorth> I like facebook 21:28:22 <andythenorth> no-one is ever wrong on my facebook 21:28:25 <FLHerne> What would be nice would be a list of all patch-files submitted to the dev forum 21:28:32 <frosch123> can your todlers already participate on forum level? 21:28:34 <andythenorth> FLHerne: make one 21:28:44 <Rubidium> FLHerne: and what would that show you? 21:28:50 <andythenorth> frosch123: they can whine, fight, and make stupid, unachieveable requests 21:28:55 <frosch123> FLHerne: there are at least 2 of those lists :p 21:29:05 <Rubidium> an enormous list of mostly duplicate patches 21:29:05 <andythenorth> FLHerne: clearly what is needed is a list of lists 21:29:14 <andythenorth> a list aggregator, if you will 21:29:15 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Would be much easier with access to the forum DB, surely? 21:29:25 <andythenorth> you have access to the forum DB 21:29:29 <FLHerne> andythenorth: For finding patches when I want to patch things 21:29:36 <andythenorth> you just have to use this thing called 'the http interface' 21:29:50 <andythenorth> although it is a PHP app, so with work, you can probably root it 21:29:58 <andythenorth> or at least get read access to mysql 21:30:17 <FLHerne> andythenorth: That would probably lead to unwanted DOSing :P 21:30:20 <frosch123> FLHerne: https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/List_of_patches http://wiki.openttd.org/Suggestions http://bugs.openttd.org/index.php?string=&project=1&type[]=4&do=index 21:31:27 <andythenorth> FLHerne: you know that forum attachments have numeric UIDs which (appear to me) to simply increment? 21:31:40 <andythenorth> so you could just enumerate them all and pipe the urls to curl 21:31:53 <andythenorth> then read the contents to see if it's a patch file 21:32:03 <andythenorth> or*dge might of course block you 21:32:37 * andythenorth likes facebook 21:32:49 <andythenorth> actually some people are wrong; they post those stupid copyright notices 21:32:53 <FLHerne> andythenorth: That was what I was thinking of when I said 'list of all patch-files uploaded' and 'unwanted DOS' respectively :P 21:32:58 <andythenorth> but I think satire has put an end to that 21:33:18 <andythenorth> FLHerne: if you only do it once, it's probably no more DOS than google crawler coming by 21:33:33 <andythenorth> you're going to throttle your requests, right? 21:33:37 <FLHerne> The other things rely on people actually doing stuff about it, which in particular doesn't seem to happen when patches are updated by third-parties 21:33:39 <andythenorth> not make 300 at once 21:33:55 <andythenorth> FLHerne: what will you name your service? 21:33:59 <andythenorth> CHIMP? 21:34:10 <FLHerne> andythenorth: That would require me to be paying attention, rather than half-asleep and caffeine-intoxicated :P 21:34:25 <Rubidium> but the forum has no patches or diffs 21:34:28 <andythenorth> ach, this is like 4 lines of shell or something 21:34:46 <Rubidium> site:www.tt-forums.net filetype:patch yields nothing in google 21:35:01 <FLHerne> Rubidium: That seems unlikely :P 21:35:03 <andythenorth> file.php?blah :P 21:35:38 * andythenorth likes facebook 21:35:48 <andythenorth> maybe I should turn the rest of the internet off 21:35:52 <Rubidium> on the other hand it yields a mere 1320 results for bugs.openttd.org 21:35:53 <andythenorth> and only go in the safe bit 21:36:51 * Superuser doesn't like facebook, but can only use Facebook :( 21:37:01 <frosch123> Rubidium: forums always failed with mimetypes 21:37:47 <frosch123> that's the main reason i have that ff plugin to overwrite whatever mimetype is send by the server :p 21:39:34 <Superuser> Before everyone goes off (WAIT YOU!), if you wanna get into roguelikes, I transcribed PARTS of my email to this forum topic: http://sixgun.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4354 21:40:01 <Superuser> o shit wrong channel 21:41:07 * frosch123 wouldn't have noticed 21:41:52 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus] 21:42:45 <__ln___> why not have Apple assign a development team for OpenTTD's Mac port? clearly the availability of OTTD is essential for the success of their sales. 21:43:29 <__ln___> see how the red line goes up right after OTTD is released in 2004: http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/11/17/apple_product_line_sales.jpg 21:44:04 <andythenorth> does OTTD sell more phones? 21:44:16 <andythenorth> it is tedious that my computer is made by a phone company 21:44:28 <andythenorth> it's like buying a Nokia laptop 21:45:03 <andythenorth> Apple keep gamely trying to persuade people that they are still in the computer business 21:45:06 <SpComb> or like buying a Nokia phone 21:45:10 <andythenorth> that too :P 21:45:16 <__ln___> andythenorth: http://press.nokia.com/wp-content/uploads/mediaplugin/photo/reso/1200-mikromikko-3-tt-m215.jpg 21:45:28 <andythenorth> eventually microsoft will buy apple 21:45:40 <SpComb> other way round 21:46:16 <andythenorth> money on it? 21:46:24 <SpComb> apple/microsoft would make a pretty good consumer/business brand combo though 21:46:53 <andythenorth> hmm 21:47:06 <Superuser> it would hurt both brands 21:47:18 <Superuser> Microsoft just isn't a cool company 21:47:25 <Superuser> and Apple is not taken seriously in business 21:47:45 <SpComb> but if they had all the interop figured out 21:47:46 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCB2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Sturmi] 21:47:53 <andythenorth> why would business take a phone company seriously? 21:48:12 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 21:48:24 <SpComb> a two-faced phone with an iPhone on one side for personal use, and a Windows phone on the other side for business use 21:48:43 <frosch123> the marketing guys/gals at my company do all their presentations with apple stuff 21:50:00 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:08 <Superuser> IT will never accept apple, it's a pain in the ass to deploy software across Apple PCs 21:50:49 <andythenorth> +1 21:50:56 <SpComb> puppet! 21:52:58 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:53:17 <heffer> also Apple is insecure 21:53:37 <frosch123> yeah, that's the irony :p 21:53:42 <heffer> breaks end to end encryption when forwarding encrypted mails on an Exchange infrastructure 21:53:47 <Superuser> Is this what the typical OpenTTD programmer looks like? http://sixgun.org/files/beard-fetish.gif 21:54:11 <SpComb> that's one high-quality beard 21:54:14 <heffer> as soon as you forward the mail it is decrypted on the server and forwarded in clear 21:54:21 <frosch123> Superuser: eddi might be closest to that 21:54:34 <Superuser> that's one hell of a creepy image, more like :) 21:54:39 <heffer> intimidating 21:55:11 <SpComb> that shirt should be a threewolfmoon shirt 21:58:12 <DorpsGek> Commit by glx :: r24780 /trunk/src (window.cpp window_gui.h) (2012-12-03 21:03:13 UTC) 21:58:13 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5378]: passing an int to a function expecting a byte can have side effects when MSVC optimises it 21:58:30 <SpComb> dejavu 21:58:53 <frosch123> we tries the new timemachine patche 21:59:11 <frosch123> it's based on the daylength patch, but improved 21:59:30 <SpComb> ..dejavu :) 21:59:33 <DorpsGek> Commit by glx :: r24780 /trunk/src (window.cpp window_gui.h) (2012-12-03 21:03:13 UTC) 21:59:34 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5378]: passing an int to a function expecting a byte can have side effects when MSVC optimises it 22:00:07 <TrueBrain> sry for spam, had to test stuff :P 22:00:16 <frosch123> i told them :) 22:00:27 <andythenorth> that photo looks like my office 22:00:38 <andythenorth> not me 22:00:41 <andythenorth> people I work with 22:01:08 <heffer> I have people work for me 22:01:16 <heffer> which is what I prefer 22:01:42 <heffer> nah, just joking. i'm just an apprentice. but a visionary, too 22:02:00 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 22:02:16 <frosch123> andy always tries to recruit the whole channel :) 22:02:58 <heffer> well he's not trying hard enough right now 22:03:02 <heffer> i work in recruiting 22:03:37 <heffer> which, this time, isn't a joke btw 22:04:07 * Rubidium wonders when recruiting was a joke 22:04:24 <heffer> well we do have fun at work most of the time :D 22:05:00 <Rubidium> ... on how stupid the recruitees are I reckon ;) 22:05:33 <Eddi|zuHause> of the "go fetch the copper magnet" kind? :) 22:06:06 <heffer> :P well I do what is called "Employer Branding" so it's a mix of recruiting and marketing 22:06:33 <Terkhen> good night 22:06:33 <Eddi|zuHause> so you go around asking people "do you want to work for us?" 22:06:46 <frosch123> my job interview as 98% marketing :) 22:07:01 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: the kind that is 'familiar with GIS implementations' and then does not even know how to calculate the distance between two points 22:07:31 <heffer> Eddi|zuHause: no i do facebook, youtube, twitter, mobile apps 22:07:44 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> can we have piracy? <-- may be useful for Bad_Bretts wildwest mod :) 22:07:49 <Rubidium> not even when you explain Pythagoras' equation 22:08:09 <DorpsGek> Commit by michi_cc :: r24781 trunk/src/video/win32_v.cpp (2012-12-03 22:08:00 UTC) 22:08:10 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r24762): [Win32] MinGW compiler warning. 22:08:13 <DorpsGek> Commit by michi_cc :: r24782 trunk/src/stdafx.h (2012-12-03 22:08:03 UTC) 22:08:14 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: [Win32] Disable MSVC warning about using 'this' in a base member initializer list as we don't use it in any problematic way. 22:08:20 <Rubidium> andythenorth: on some random counter empty the whole cargo hold of a ship ;) 22:08:34 <andythenorth> ho ho 22:08:44 <andythenorth> I am looking for developers with 7 years experience of node.js 22:08:56 <andythenorth> and at least 5 years of Twitter Bootstrap 22:09:00 <frosch123> exactly 7? :p 22:09:06 <andythenorth> why not :P 22:09:11 <andythenorth> and I would also like a unicorn 22:09:17 <heffer> lovely 22:09:25 <frosch123> ah, i see, ponies are no longer good enough :p 22:09:28 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:42 <frosch123> now andy wants unicorns 22:09:45 <andythenorth> Rubidium: piracy = new disaster? :P 22:09:49 <Rubidium> andythenorth: it just depends on your definition of year 22:09:57 <andythenorth> if uniconrs are available, I would like mine in blue please 22:10:01 <andythenorth> unicorns * 22:10:09 <frosch123> what is the effect of piracy? does it take all cargo, or only the one that fits into the pirate ship? 22:10:13 <frosch123> or does it take over the ship? 22:10:30 <frosch123> andythenorth: sorry, unicorns are only available in pink 22:11:02 <andythenorth> I don't want one in that case 22:11:05 <andythenorth> you can keep it 22:11:16 <frosch123> it's invisible though 22:11:46 <andythenorth> but in my heart, I'll know the difference 22:12:03 <andythenorth> it's not the unicorn I am seeking so desperately 22:12:47 <Wolf01> 'night 22:12:50 <andythenorth> it is 22:12:52 <andythenorth> indeed 22:12:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:12:57 * andythenorth -> bed 22:13:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 22:13:51 <Rubidium> after all.. on one day you can be in multiple years, e.g. 6761, 2012, 2011, 4708, 4648, 4709, 1433, and many more 22:15:21 <heffer> i bought a chinese router from dx.com the other day and tried porting openwrt to it 22:15:29 <heffer> great fun everyone should try 22:15:39 <frosch123> hmmm... hewbrew, gregorian, julian, ?, ?, ?, arabic 22:15:50 <frosch123> i guess there is some mayan and chinese involved 22:15:58 <heffer> islamic? 22:16:09 <heffer> or is that arabic? 22:16:10 <frosch123> that's what i meant with arabic 22:17:23 <Rubidium> the first is Assyrian, the three question marks are different chinese ones 22:17:38 <frosch123> hewbrew is around 5773 22:17:52 <Rubidium> the last is hijri 22:19:53 <Rubidium> but yes... the world is going to end the 21nd 22:20:04 <Rubidium> both the Mayans and Nostradamus said so ;) 22:20:23 <frosch123> did nostradamus know the mayans? 22:20:33 <Rubidium> https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/11/28/1eQ5Cl3XvE60vXVfAYMjww2.jpg 22:21:39 <frosch123> hmm, looks i was lucky up to now to have missed that 22:25:17 *** chester_ [~chester@95-24-6-224.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:26:38 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 22:31:10 <frosch123> night 22:31:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc4b3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:47 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:47:34 <MNIM> Rubidium: OHSHI 22:49:25 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:43 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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