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00:07:10 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:19:04 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has joined #openttd 00:49:08 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@177.16.120.95] has joined #openttd 00:49:13 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.16.120.95] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:49:23 <Djohaal_> derp 00:49:37 <Djohaal_> Eddi|zuHause: oh hey 01:04:42 *** fjb is now known as Guest7221 01:04:43 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 01:06:30 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-37-239.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07:06 *** namad7 [aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 01:08:51 *** Guest7221 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:12:10 <Japa> Djohaal_, We still using the same train GRF? 01:14:54 <Djohaal_> Japa: yup, I like 2cc 01:15:19 <Japa> Uh... we were using 2cc before? 01:15:23 <Djohaal_> yup 01:15:30 <Djohaal_> all those country-themed trains were 2cc 01:16:04 <Djohaal_> only change I did is bringing back the stock monotrail and maglevs because it only has those for pax, and I like hauling coal at supersonic speeds 01:16:07 <Japa> Oh, I wasn't playing for the past week 01:16:41 <Japa> You do still have the subway trains, right? 01:26:56 <Djohaal_> yup 01:27:35 <Djohaal_> I'm considering updating my simutrans and hostign a simutrans session enxt 01:28:17 <Japa> I don't seem to be able to join on my cellphone connection 01:28:25 <Japa> So I'll continue to not play. 01:28:36 <Japa> Until I return home 01:43:53 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 01:51:12 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:02:05 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:18:08 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.221.62] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC, enjoy it. 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 07:44:41 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.134.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:45:51 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 07:46:46 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:59:26 *** Taede [~TWerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:03:00 *** TWerkhoven [~TWerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:18:42 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.139.225] has joined #openttd 08:20:09 *** TWerkhoven [~TWerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:23:42 *** TWerkhoven [~TWerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:45:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46:01 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 08:49:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6DC59.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:06:32 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 09:06:37 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 09:10:34 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 09:31:20 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 10:05:33 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:31:44 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [] 10:38:51 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-37-239.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:43:53 <NGC3982> Is the in-house coding (except the VBA programming) of Excel based on BASIC? 10:44:36 <NGC3982> Or should i look at it as a dialect of VBA? 10:45:24 <NGC3982> Or ..Wait. 10:45:36 <NGC3982> It's just VBA? 10:46:02 <NGC3982> My introduction to coding starts flawlessly. 10:48:54 <V453000> total wtf = perfect coding 10:50:46 <NGC3982> I was under the impression that the VBA (the editor) part was not the same code the one used in normal spreadsheets 10:51:15 <V453000> nothing code related is "normal" 10:56:27 <NGC3982> V453000: Sorry? 11:06:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never written a line of VBA in my life... 11:07:30 <Eddi|zuHause> whenever i needed functionality in "excel" (or any spreadsheet), i turn to complex formulas, not scripts 11:07:50 <NGC3982> I guess that is what i have been doing 11:08:15 <Xaroth|Work> I play eve, most people ingame know enough about excel to help me out whenever I have an issue with it :P 11:08:51 <NGC3982> Over-the-top long ass IF function loops 11:09:29 <NGC3982> I have always had this feeling that most of my Excel formulas could be replaces with like twenty letters of code. 11:12:22 <NGC3982> How exciting life can be, when you notice all Cisco 79* IP phones come pre-coded with Space Invaders. 11:12:25 <NGC3982> <3. 11:12:42 <Xaroth|Work> o_O 11:16:21 *** Zuu [~Zuu@gateway.sdr.org] has joined #openttd 11:20:25 <Eddi|zuHause> xkcd has never been more true... 11:20:51 <NGC3982> Don't spoil. 11:21:11 <planetmaker> hehe, yeah, sooo true :-) 11:21:21 <NGC3982> I always start my work day with a dose of XKCD and the Oatmeal. 11:21:58 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.221.62] has joined #openttd 11:34:49 <LordAro> ha, indeed 11:34:49 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:34:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 11:39:21 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-5-165.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:03 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.50] has joined #openttd 12:09:57 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.50] has quit [Quit: Truly, the end of days.] 12:13:10 *** oceanhahn [~oceanhahn@114-42-97-225.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #openttd 12:14:14 *** oceanhahn [~oceanhahn@114-42-97-225.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [] 12:14:45 <LordAro> "svn info | grep 'Date' | cut -d' ' -f4-6" <-- is there a better way of using cut (or just better way in general)? 12:27:16 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 12:31:15 <planetmaker> I'd probably use: LC_ALL=C svn info | grep 'Changed Date' | cut -c20-29 12:32:23 <planetmaker> actually -45 12:37:21 <V453000> beer+8 12:47:41 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:20 *** DanMacK [~453f332b@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:50:26 <DanMacK> Hey all 12:50:36 <LordAro> planetmaker: the LC_ALL=C doesn't hugely matter, as i'm converting it to utc (with date) next anyway 12:50:51 <LordAro> and when i tested it, LC_ALL didn't make a difference anyway 12:51:38 <DanMacK> Damn Tadeusz and his 2X sprites :P 12:51:41 <planetmaker> LordAro, it does matter a lot ;-) 12:51:50 <LordAro> how so? :L 12:51:54 <planetmaker> (it got nothing to do with time, rather with language) 12:52:00 <LordAro> ah 12:52:04 <DanMacK> Makes me want to do it for Iron Horse :P 12:52:11 <planetmaker> and you wouldn't find 'date' in languages other than... English 12:52:13 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:52:22 <LordAro> indeed not 12:52:23 <planetmaker> DanMacK, please do! 12:52:37 <DanMacK> heh 12:53:16 <DanMacK> hard to do with 8bpp ;) 12:53:43 *** Pecio [~fgh@agab7.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 12:54:16 <planetmaker> DanMacK, but he did it in 8bpp, too, no? 12:54:28 <planetmaker> yes, it looks quite convincing to me :-) 12:54:52 <LordAro> thanks pm :) 12:55:15 <planetmaker> I'm afraid it doesn't lift the burden of drawing the 1x sprites, too. Scaling those would probably look aweful 12:55:50 <DanMacK> he did and yeah 12:56:04 <DanMacK> scaling them up needs alot of redrawing 12:56:32 <planetmaker> probably the only gain in scaling is that it gives you the general shape. But you'd then likely need to touch each pixel 12:58:48 <DanMacK> yeah 12:59:03 <DanMacK> alot of work but the results would be so worth it 12:59:49 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.114.21.53] has joined #openttd 13:03:24 <planetmaker> DanMacK, yes, it would. And... it would also "enforce" to focus on a small but beautiful set. Thus not one of the usual sets over-burdened with too many too similar vehicles :D 13:03:58 <planetmaker> distinct choices to be made :-) 13:08:28 <DanMacK> that's what we're aiming for 13:09:34 <planetmaker> yup :-) 13:10:07 <DanMacK> hard to limit things, but it's nice 13:10:40 <DanMacK> you know, 32bpp and zbase are cool, but something's to be said for 8 bit 13:11:01 <planetmaker> what? :D 13:11:28 <DanMacK> 3d stuff is cool, but pixel art is better :P 13:11:36 * Pinkbeast rather likes 8bpp 13:11:47 <DanMacK> same here 13:11:50 <oskari89> There's some magic in 8bpp 13:12:23 *** Lord_Aro [~LordAro@host217-43-119-167.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:12:27 <Pinkbeast> Particularly done well. Look at UKRS2, where you can say "that's an A4, that's a Spam Can, that's a Big Lizzie" even though it's done in such a tiny space 13:12:35 <oskari89> ... especially when you have 3D-model to render for 8bpp... 13:12:38 *** LordAro is now known as Guest7263 13:12:38 *** Lord_Aro is now known as LordAro 13:12:45 <planetmaker> I believe that, if you want to do good 3D stuff, you need to invest your pixel art time in creating decent textures. By doing pixel art :-) 13:13:03 <DanMacK> Yeah 13:13:09 <Pinkbeast> And there's an uncanny-valley effect where real-looking locomotives suddenly flipping 45 degrees looks worse than pixel-art locos 13:13:21 <DanMacK> lol 13:13:27 <planetmaker> unless for the goldrush thing that has not been done very thoroughly in openttd terms 13:13:52 <planetmaker> also that, yes, Pinkbeast :-) 13:14:40 <oskari89> An pristine example of station drawing using 3D as base http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=43560&start=80#p811939 13:15:23 <oskari89> Dat awesomeness 13:16:03 <peter1138> Only 4 years ago... 13:16:03 <planetmaker> yes... with the same thing I mentioned yesterday wrt some FRISS signal houses: it's missing some dirt at the bottom of the walls 13:16:05 <planetmaker> it will float 13:16:19 <planetmaker> or appear to 13:16:40 *** Guest7263 [~LordAro@host86-165-37-239.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:18 <oskari89> planetmaker: ok, will apply some dirt on those :) 13:17:36 <planetmaker> well, I explained it in the forum thread :D 13:18:21 <oskari89> I missed that if you did :P 13:18:22 <oskari89> Sorry 13:18:46 <planetmaker> I think it was tadeusz' screenshot thread :D 13:18:59 <oskari89> Link? 13:19:20 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=67720 13:19:40 <oskari89> Thanks 13:22:04 <Belugas> hello 13:26:43 <LordAro> /o Belugas 13:27:13 <planetmaker> hi Belugas 13:29:46 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:31:25 <Belugas> hi guys 13:31:54 <Belugas> sad news, still no suplied coffee. we are now forced to buy our own coffee bags :S 13:32:11 <Belugas> looks like provider has some (financial?) problems 13:32:16 <Belugas> damned it!! 13:37:51 <peter1138> Cofffffeeeeee... 13:38:05 <peter1138> Having said that, I am drinking coffee right now, even though it's afternoon. 13:38:27 <Belugas> you are becoming an addict ;) 13:39:09 <peter1138> I prefer the term... a gentleman. Anyone else for a bucket of coffee? 13:39:25 <Belugas> i raise mine! 13:39:26 <Xaroth|Work> tea please. 13:39:46 <Belugas> whatever floats your boat;) 13:39:59 <peter1138> Tea, Earl grey, hot. 13:40:12 <peter1138> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2IJdfxWtPM 13:40:12 <Belugas> aye aye mon capitaine 13:40:14 <DanMacK> lol 13:40:33 <DanMacK> So is there a spot I could find the actual zbase spites? 13:40:48 <V453000> beer > coffee 13:40:52 <V453000> >>> 13:40:59 <V453000> tea 13:41:29 <peter1138> Drinking beer at work doesn't get you very far though. 13:42:12 <Belugas> just to the bathroom more oftenly then coffee can 13:42:21 <Belugas> plus ... work quality... naaaaa 13:42:38 <V453000> drinking beer gets you VERY far peter1138, sometimes a lot farther than you can recognize 13:44:14 <Belugas> yeah.. sleeping on a german balcony, as an example ;) 13:44:59 <V453000> . 13:45:03 <V453000> point proven 13:46:10 <Eddi|zuHause> which amount of beer gets you this far? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAPpWkoOq7w :p 13:47:04 <V453000> well rice beer is special case :D 13:49:42 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:07 *** Jap-mobile [~Japa@112.79.36.240] has joined #openttd 13:54:01 <Jap-mobile> Is there a mod that lets your vehicles stop at rival companies' stations? 13:54:47 <Jap-mobile> And/or use their tracks? 13:54:57 <Pinkbeast> Jap-mobile: Yes, "infrastructure sharing". 13:54:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but it's rather old 13:55:32 <Jap-mobile> That means fun times patching. 13:55:38 <Jap-mobile> Is it any good? 13:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it has problems with payment if you use cargodist/transfers 13:56:07 <Jap-mobile> Hmm... 13:56:14 <Pinkbeast> My impression is that it's only useful in games where humans are being relatively cooperative, and yes, it does fall afoul of transfer payments. 13:56:15 <Eddi|zuHause> the company that makes the final delivery gets all the money 13:56:17 <Jap-mobile> That's a no, then. 13:56:56 <Pinkbeast> Jap-mobile: Well, not totally. You could not use transfers, and just run over the other person's lines to their stations where the cargo is accepted. 13:57:00 <Stimrol> hi, I wanted to ask if there is some way to keep the companies password on MP after restart? 13:57:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that's an issue you can reproduce in trunk, if you transfer at oil refineries (or other neutral industry stations) 13:57:45 <Jap-mobile> Might be worth fiddling with the code a bit then. 13:58:02 <Pinkbeast> Jap-mobile: Transfer payments is quite a large can of worms. 13:58:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i have somewhere buried a few lines of code that replaces transfer payments with real payments, but that allows abuse with only delivering a partial route 13:58:36 <Eddi|zuHause> or even back and forth 13:58:38 <Jap-mobile> I never said I won't crash and burn. 13:58:55 <Eddi|zuHause> but a real solution is rather problematic 13:59:01 <Eddi|zuHause> there are a few forum threads about this 13:59:04 <Pinkbeast> I'm not personally convinced that tracking everywhere a cargo packet has been is prohibitively expensive, but opinions vary 13:59:40 <Eddi|zuHause> you're welcome to offer a solution 13:59:42 <Jap-mobile> That's what I was thinking. 13:59:47 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:00:08 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:01:57 <V453000> sadly a solution to all problems with infrastructure sharing is playing in one company 14:02:13 <Jap-mobile> Each transfer that happens in a rival station gives a percentage of the transfer funds? And if you lose money at the end, you actually lose money. 14:02:15 <Jap-mobile> Because the transfer credits were paid to the station owner. 14:02:39 <Jap-mobile> Yes 14:03:01 <Jap-mobile> Which is what I'm trying to sell to the group I play multi with. 14:04:32 <V453000> :D 14:05:00 <V453000> tell them to look at openttdcoop.org and that they will instantly reach equally good results if they play in 1 company 14:05:06 <V453000> it isnt true but it is nice to hear 14:05:37 <Jap-mobile> Hehehehe 14:05:49 <Jap-mobile> I played on one of those games. 14:05:54 <Jap-mobile> Much fun was had 14:06:22 <V453000> how long ago? :) 14:11:47 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16:53 <planetmaker> DanMacK, yes... the sprites can be found in the zbase repository :-) 14:17:20 <DanMacK> Got them, just made it hard with every sprite individual :P 14:17:48 <V453000> guess that is what you get with rendered stuf 14:42:27 <Jap-mobile> V453000: pretty long ago. Few years at least. 14:45:42 *** Jap-mobile_ [~Japa@112.79.36.240] has joined #openttd 14:45:42 *** Jap-mobile [~Japa@112.79.36.240] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:53 <V453000> :) 14:57:46 <LordAro> oh, awesome, i got some code committed in an 'external' project :) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/devscripts/saucy-proposed/revision/138 14:57:55 <LordAro> i don't even understand the language :) 15:00:34 <V453000> code is evul 15:18:36 *** oceanhahn [~oceanhahn@114-42-97-225.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #openttd 15:20:28 <oceanhahn> Wow, there're a lot of people here. I was wondering if OpenTTD had a large multiplay base. I guess so? 15:21:08 <TWerkhoven> theres plenty servers for ppl to play on yes 15:22:24 <oceanhahn> Is there a list of them on the website? I took a look, but I may have missed it. 15:22:49 <planetmaker> check ingame the server list 15:23:07 <oceanhahn> Oh. Hm. Cool, thanks. 15:23:40 <planetmaker> you might have most success if you play the current stable release (1.3.2). Thus best update, if you don't have that 15:24:08 <planetmaker> the other servers are shown, though, but you will need the exactly matching version 15:24:52 <oceanhahn> Mm. I figured as much. Might need GRFs too. 15:24:55 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.114.21.53] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:32 <Zuu> Servers wtih a green symbol can be joined. Servers with a yellow symobol uses NewGRFs that you don't have yet. Click on the server and then on the button to search for missing content. In many cases it will find all missing content and with a click of a button you can download that from our Bananas server. 15:26:15 <LordAro> I think you'll also find that most people here don't talk much :) 15:26:21 <oceanhahn> Mm. I'd noticed that. It's really handy how you can get stuff in-game. 15:26:33 <oceanhahn> That's fairly standard form for IRC. XD 15:28:55 <oceanhahn> Are multiplay games always-on, or do they run in sessions? 15:29:03 <oceanhahn> I guess I can just look and find out for myself... 15:29:06 <TWerkhoven> depends on the server in question 15:29:16 <TWerkhoven> some auto-reset at certain year, or time of day 15:29:26 <TWerkhoven> others stay on till admin decide its time for a new map 15:29:47 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:50 <oceanhahn> Hm. Cool 15:30:27 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:31:00 *** TWerkhoven is now known as Taede 15:32:50 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 15:34:43 <planetmaker> you're quick, LordAro ;-) 15:35:06 <LordAro> ? wrt? 15:35:18 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:35:19 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 15:35:21 <planetmaker> forums 15:36:16 <AndreasB> Umm, are there any admin scripts etc for openttd ? 15:36:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188CE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:36:40 <Zuu> yes 15:37:01 <Zuu> But you may get better answers if you specify what you are looking for 15:37:10 <AndreasB> Hmm 15:37:18 <AndreasB> No idea 15:38:03 <LordAro> planetmaker: ah. ha! :p 15:38:14 <LordAro> you do have the secure link though :p 15:38:29 <Zuu> Today the currently recommended method to use scripts to administer a server is via the admin port. 15:39:16 <Zuu> There exist at least two libraries which implement a admin port client that can be used to write a script that talk to the admin port. 15:39:28 <LordAro> actually, why is it like that? why can't i just do https://wiki.openttd.org/List_of_patches#Patch_packs ? why is the separate secure subdomain necessary? 15:39:34 <Zuu> I'm sure there exist such scripts. I do however not know if any of them are published somewhere. 15:39:35 <LordAro> (ok, it redirects, but still) 15:39:59 <Zuu> LordAro: Certificates are bought per domain. 15:40:24 <Zuu> It would require us to buy one certificate for each sub domain. AFAIK 15:41:09 <LordAro> well that sucks 15:43:09 <Zuu> There could also be other reasons. TB probably know better :-) 15:46:50 <planetmaker> hm... admin port scripts... Taede has one I wanted to put to use... 15:47:58 *** Jap-mobile_ [~Japa@112.79.36.240] has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:48:59 <oceanhahn> Do mp maps usually transfer around 8~15kBpsec? 15:49:03 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.240] has joined #openttd 15:53:31 <oceanhahn> I guess it varies from server to server. 15:55:39 <planetmaker> download of the map depends on server. while playing ~2...3kbit/s per client are required 15:56:52 <oceanhahn> Well yeah, but at that rate, map transfers would take quite a long time... 15:57:11 <oceanhahn> I'm wondering if that's standard or whether I'm just running really slowly for some/no reason. 15:57:24 <peter1138> The initial transfer should be much faster. 15:57:43 <oceanhahn> Hm. 15:57:56 <oceanhahn> That's no good. Let's see what else I have running... 15:59:23 *** DanMacK [~453f332b@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:59:23 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:48 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 16:00:23 <oceanhahn> I'm constantly losing connections, too. 16:01:59 *** Zuu [~Zuu@gateway.sdr.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:23 *** Zuu [~Zuu@ns.sdrf.se] has joined #openttd 16:03:52 <planetmaker> maybe bad connection. Or too big game for your cpu. or both :-) 16:05:11 <oceanhahn> I wonder if it's either. 16:05:18 <oceanhahn> My computer is fine, I know that much. 16:05:40 <peter1138> Everyone says that :D 16:05:53 <oceanhahn> Then I guess everyone has connection problems. 16:06:06 <oceanhahn> `v( o_o )v` 16:07:14 <oceanhahn> I can up- and download things from anywhere else well enough, so I guess it's just not liking the game so much. 16:08:32 <oceanhahn> I suppose it -could- be the computer, if for some reason it's taking broad exception to the way the game downloads and processes map data, and nothing else. 16:08:35 <oceanhahn> XD 16:09:08 <oceanhahn> Wouldn't be the strangest hardware issue I've ever seen a game have. 16:11:22 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.50] has joined #openttd 16:13:31 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.50] has quit [] 16:18:50 <oceanhahn> Hm. It can download updates at 400kbpsec but it can't handle map data. :C 16:18:59 <oceanhahn> I guess I'll hunt around a bit. 16:19:28 <Zuu> packet loss? jitter? slow round trip time? 16:21:18 <planetmaker> openttd requires a quite stable connection. http is much more tolerant wrt flaky connections as it simply re-requests missing packets 16:22:46 <oceanhahn> I've never had any problems with any other games, and they've all been pretty demanding for connection stability. 16:23:17 <oceanhahn> I'm not sure why it's running slowly. 16:23:29 <oceanhahn> Could be a slow trip. 16:25:59 <oceanhahn> Oh. Does Pause on Join pause the game for the entire time a client is downloading a map? 16:26:40 <oceanhahn> The note in troubleshooting suggests that it might. 16:27:40 <oceanhahn> Also, I wonder if the network my building is on is having issues with port forwarding. I don't know why that would cause it to run slowly, rather than not at all, but oh well. 16:48:59 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@186.212.211.20] has joined #openttd 16:53:07 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:53:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:53:40 <Alberth> moin 16:58:21 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:59:45 <planetmaker> salut Alberth 17:01:28 <Alberth> o/ 17:03:44 <LordAro> /o Alberth 17:04:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188CE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d554d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:42 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.50] has joined #openttd 17:11:56 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 17:15:06 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.50] has quit [Quit: Truly, the end of days.] 17:31:17 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AC54.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:45:16 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25786 trunk/src/lang/slovenian.txt (2013-09-20 17:45:09 UTC) 17:45:17 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:18 <DorpsGek> slovenian - 190 changes by Necrolyte 17:49:19 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:51:54 *** Pereba_ [~UserNick@177.40.221.62] has joined #openttd 17:53:08 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:02 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.221.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:58:04 *** Pereba_ is now known as Pereba 17:59:12 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:59:44 <planetmaker> hm, is there a way to change / amend an image description in mediawiki? http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/File:0913POTM_pm.jpg 18:03:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DC59.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:13:23 <frosch123> afaik when uploading a new file 18:16:04 <planetmaker> yeah, then I can change it. But... I don't want to upload the same thing twice. then I'd keep it... as incomplete or euphemistic it might be 18:18:13 <frosch123> is the picture from the factory near dora? 18:18:31 <frosch123> oh, that 18:18:34 <planetmaker> yes, that 18:18:34 <frosch123> s what you added :p 18:18:44 <frosch123> yeah, looked familar 18:18:55 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:20:51 <LordAro> planetmaker: iirc, there's no way - the description is linked to the image 18:21:48 <planetmaker> one can edit the page actually... just the comment upon upload doesn't change 18:31:44 <Zuu> What is most useful GSCompany.SetBankBalance(company_id, amount) or GSCompany.ChangeBankBalance(company_id, amount)? (where the later applies a delta to the bank balance and the former take an absolute bank balance value) 18:32:07 <Zuu> (this is for GSes giving/taking money from companies) 18:32:25 <frosch123> i would expect that a delta is more usual case 18:32:31 <Zuu> The later could be split into GiveMoney + TakeMoney 18:32:41 <Zuu> That is also my guess 18:32:53 <frosch123> i think one function is enough 18:32:53 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.134.39] has joined #openttd 18:32:55 <Zuu> At least for rewarding and taking fees 18:33:13 <frosch123> unless it shall show up in different categories of the econcomy gui 18:33:27 <frosch123> hmm, or actualy... the gs could choose in which category it shall show up 18:33:33 <Zuu> That detail I didn't think of. 18:33:45 <frosch123> yeah, i guess it makes sense to let gs specify the category :) 18:34:26 <Zuu> Yes, possible better to allow the GS to set a category rather than inventing a new GS-only category. 18:35:20 <Zuu> With some restriction to only allow negative delta to be cost accounts and only positive deltas to be income accounts? 18:35:50 <frosch123> i am not sure whether categories are that strict about that 18:36:21 <frosch123> i would not restrict the sign 18:36:22 <Alberth> Zuu: you can have positive build accounts, just sell a lot of tracks 18:36:31 <Zuu> Ok 18:36:48 <Alberth> or sell trains, probably 18:36:58 <Zuu> I don't tend to look that much on the economy window. 18:37:06 <frosch123> i think there is a grf producing negative transport income 18:37:13 <Pinkbeast> If money's coming in, who cares? :-) 18:37:30 <Zuu> But I remember enough that there is two layouts for it. (not regarding the compact one) 18:37:38 <Alberth> Pinkbeast: I care until money comes in faster than I can spend :) 18:43:22 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 18:49:51 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:59:58 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:12:43 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has joined #openttd 19:43:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host180-136-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:43:32 <Wolf01> moin 19:44:10 *** oceanhahn [~oceanhahn@114-42-97-225.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [] 19:44:53 <Alberth> o/ 19:45:25 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:24 <V453000> \o 19:48:17 <Taede> \o/ 19:49:30 <LordAro> /o 19:50:44 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-10-103.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:54:22 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:56:35 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:00:03 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:00:16 <DanMacK> Hey all 20:04:39 *** Zuu [~Zuu@ns.sdrf.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:06:36 <Alberth> o/ 20:28:11 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-176-132-167.range86-176.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:29:11 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:43:05 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:57:39 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 21:04:58 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.100.47] has joined #openttd 21:05:32 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:09:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188CE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:18:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6DA69.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:24:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DC59.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:38:44 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-176-132-167.range86-176.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:39:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:41:21 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AC54.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 21:48:00 <Supercheese> Whoah, mb started a screenshot thread! This will be good 22:00:31 *** DanMacK [~453f332b@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:03:44 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.100.47] has quit [Quit: Truly, the end of days.] 22:15:08 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 22:37:39 *** DanMacK [~453f332b@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:03 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 22:54:16 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 23:02:24 <Wolf01> 'night 23:02:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:03:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188CE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and i thought he already had a "screenshot thread" in the grf development forum :p 23:28:17 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:28:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 23:33:35 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-10-103.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:46 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58:37 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d554d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 23:59:18 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd