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00:07:14 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:25:35 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@188.37.87.10] has joined #openttd 00:29:22 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:35:37 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:35:16 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@cpe-142-136-204-41.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Quit] 02:03:46 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:15:40 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:42:36 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@188.37.87.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:49:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 02:50:02 <andythenorth> @seen pikka 02:50:02 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 5 days, 15 hours, 13 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: * Pikka bbatsomepoint 03:10:18 <Supercheese> @seen pikkaphone 03:10:19 <DorpsGek> Supercheese: pikkaphone was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 16 hours, 5 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <Pikkaphone> Psh 03:10:34 <andythenorth> oic 03:10:40 <Supercheese> aye 03:11:49 <andythenorth> back to bed 03:11:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 03:16:42 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:22:13 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:23:31 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:26:52 *** SHOTbyGUN_ [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 03:28:49 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:33:32 *** SHOTbyGUN [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:38:47 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:41:05 *** Biolunar_ [Biolunar@blfd-4db0e7a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 03:45:06 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:45:38 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:47:06 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:48:03 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@blfd-4d08290e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:28:55 *** fjb is now known as Guest359 04:28:56 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 04:33:06 *** looptrooper [~looptroop@2a02:8071:6c0:a01:21bb:aa48:6df7:e4bc] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:35:42 *** Guest359 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:43:35 *** DanMacK [~63f912e8@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 04:43:48 <DanMacK> Hey all 04:52:19 <Supercheese> Hi 04:54:02 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-23-62.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:56:28 <Supercheese> Well 04:56:53 <Supercheese> now they're both on 04:57:15 <Pikka> but who's on first? 04:57:21 <Supercheese> Yes. 05:31:48 *** DanMacK [~63f912e8@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66BEB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD44B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:04:46 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p4FE2254C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:13:12 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 06:19:11 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:26:10 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 06:34:02 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@cpe-142-136-204-41.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 06:44:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 06:44:11 <andythenorth> morning Pikka chops 06:44:18 <andythenorth> I missed the other one 06:44:24 <Pikka> bongiorno 06:44:27 <Pikka> you did at that 06:44:29 <andythenorth> I did 06:44:33 <Pikka> you did 06:44:36 <andythenorth> and I was awake half the UK night 06:44:40 <andythenorth> fixing servers in QLD 06:44:43 <Pikka> typical 06:44:44 *** Hazzard_ is now known as Hazzard 06:44:46 <andythenorth> typical 06:44:51 <Pikka> tch 06:45:00 <Pikka> what's the word? 06:45:33 <andythenorth> RoadTypes 06:45:38 <andythenorth> mostly 06:45:45 <andythenorth> because people are wrong on the internet 06:45:49 <andythenorth> so I had to stay up and argue 06:45:49 <Supercheese> zounds 06:46:01 <andythenorth> more accurately, !RoadTypes 06:46:29 <V453000> andythenorth: why the ass isnt hogging road visible to stable on pineapplenanas shop? 06:46:39 <andythenorth> because is brokens 06:46:42 <andythenorth> all over your face 06:47:21 <V453000> :d 06:47:28 <V453000> k 06:47:49 *** SHOTbyGUN_ [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:48:12 <V453000> a start! :D http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/6797/asdf01.png 06:48:19 <V453000> BR82REALISTIC 06:48:37 <andythenorth> nice box art 06:48:44 <andythenorth> you should send that to shapeways btw 06:48:49 <andythenorth> and get it at 1:32 or something 06:48:59 <V453000> xd 06:49:47 <andythenorth> Pikka: what is go in pineapple land? 06:50:58 <Pikka> hmm 06:51:04 <Pikka> gotta texture another loco 06:51:07 <Pikka> then it's ready 06:51:15 <Pikka> NARS is just about ready now, going to release it today I think 06:51:29 <Pikka> I have this one week in which I can think about TTD stuff, then I think I'm done until, umm... March? D; 06:51:46 <Pikka> when uni will start again. So maybe until July, haha. 06:56:17 <andythenorth> so 1 week now to finish everything? o_O 06:56:21 *** Pokka [~Octomom@d58-106-37-79.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:56:45 <Pokka> V: you gotta chibi it up for TTD. Realistic dimensions will look spindly 06:57:01 <Pokka> andy: pretty much. 06:57:09 <V453000> xd 06:57:12 <V453000> yeah 06:57:26 <V453000> just figuring out some basic shapes of the model 07:00:22 <Supercheese> Keep changing your name and you will keep stymieing poor Dorpsgek's @seen 07:00:37 <Supercheese> as andy discovered earlier 07:02:22 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-23-62.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:05:15 *** Pokka is now known as Pikka 07:13:39 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 07:14:18 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p4FE2254C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14:58 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:9571:15b9:4306:b284] has joined #openttd 07:32:43 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1852B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:06:36 *** SHOTbyGUN [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:07:04 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 08:25:16 <peter1138> Wrong? On the Internet? Surely not. 08:28:58 <__ln__> Shirley who? 08:30:13 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 08:30:50 <peter1138> Now I'm reminded of the pilots taking off scene in Airplane. 08:30:55 <andythenorth> peter1138: I know, I was shocked 08:31:00 <Supercheese> They must also be wrong off the Internet too 08:31:47 <Pikka> whoops 08:31:49 <Pikka> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=39293&p=1135562#p1135562 08:32:27 <Supercheese> oh snap 08:33:01 <peter1138> Snap, prapple and cock. 08:33:17 <peter1138> That train is long. 08:33:27 <andythenorth> not very 08:33:46 <andythenorth> if I am NARSing I do about 30 tile trains 08:33:49 <andythenorth> otherwise why bother 08:34:15 <andythenorth> also we should extend newgrf spec for more good features 08:34:19 <andythenorth> - dynamic braking capability 08:34:25 <andythenorth> - air reservoir capacity 08:34:31 <peter1138> Insta-brakes. 08:34:31 <andythenorth> - train coupler strength 08:34:46 <andythenorth> broken knuckle disaster 08:34:54 <andythenorth> also hot-box breakdown 08:35:10 <andythenorth> these are real train things 08:35:13 <Pikka> leaves on the line disaster? 08:35:14 <andythenorth> whatever your mind is thinking 08:35:33 <peter1138> Do trains explode whenever something breaks? 08:35:54 <peter1138> And decouple and spin madly... 08:36:04 <Pikka> how about you can skimp on driver training, for a 5% reduction in running costs but a .01% chance of trains running a red signal? that would add greatly to the gameplay! 08:36:38 <b_jonas> uh 08:37:58 <andythenorth> leaves 08:38:09 <andythenorth> saw this picture yesterday, wondered if that train needed more power http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=504797&nseq=0 08:38:37 <andythenorth> only 6,600hp for those three wagons 08:38:54 <andythenorth> peter1138: so action 1 / 2 / 3 roads then? o_O 08:51:15 <peter1138> Dunno 08:51:36 <peter1138> Maybe we should implement daylength, badly, just to stop the endless supply of crappy patches and requests for specific versions... 08:52:03 <Pikka> daylength is a terrible feature 08:52:20 <planetmaker> moin 08:52:39 <Pikka> maybe if people stopped loading fifteen different train sets, all providing a hundred slightlydifferent locomotives, they wouldn't feel like they needed more time to use them all. 08:53:39 <Supercheese> regearing gone... 08:53:51 <Pikka> very 08:55:22 <planetmaker> Pikka, those who use a dozen trainsets think they want to play "realistically" but in essence they just want "the best" (whatever that is) machine for a boring leveled all-accross-the-track line 08:56:23 <Pikka> yep. but they're getting five new locos a minute and they can't handle figuring out which is "the best". So they want daylength to have more time to work it out. 08:56:31 <andythenorth> daylength is bizarro 08:56:57 <Supercheese> Well, even as a lad, I do recall wondering why the days were so short, and if I could make them longer... 08:57:25 <Pikka> the game time is just a number, it doesn't matter. if you're trying to fill the map in a hundred years and you can't, play a smaller map. 08:57:34 <Pikka> if you want to use allthetrains, play with fewer trains. 08:57:37 <Supercheese> then again, back then the day only showed up when paused, when unpaused it just displayed the month 08:57:38 <Pikka> etc etc 08:58:00 <Pikka> if you want to build without the world changing much, build while paused. 08:58:17 <Pikka> I don't understand the attraction of daylength, it's a bad solution to almost every problem. 08:58:18 <Supercheese> yeah that's what I do these days 08:58:52 <V453000> congrats Pikka :D 08:59:06 <peter1138> Let's remove the day display then. 08:59:27 <peter1138> It is pointless, anyway. 08:59:40 <Supercheese> Huh was 0-4-0 Grashopper removed? 09:00:03 <Pikka> it was 09:00:10 <Pikka> is the set ruined forever now? 09:00:16 <Supercheese> haha, no 09:00:23 <Supercheese> I never did use it, just checking changes 09:00:46 <peter1138> No additional text, how will I ever know what to build now? 09:00:53 <Pikka> I know right? 09:01:00 <Supercheese> Norris T.E. nerfed 09:01:50 <Eddi|zuHause> <Pikka> the game time is just a number, it doesn't matter. if you're trying to fill the map in a hundred years and you can't, play a smaller map. <- i disagree. 09:03:10 <V453000> wtf is the time good for then Eddi 09:03:54 <V453000> it really is just a number, defining a few functions like available vehicles or type of houses, but not really important 09:04:46 <planetmaker> Pikka, the point of daylength seems to be that they can pick whatever and have new vehicles not being introduced 09:04:55 <planetmaker> or the latter only (much) later 09:05:12 <planetmaker> so... maybe we can get by with a really cheap solution to daylength 09:05:22 <Pikka> turn on vehicles-never-expire and only build old locos? 09:05:36 <Pikka> really cheap solution being "don't introduce new vehicles after x date"? ;) 09:05:39 <Supercheese> Shay also gone 09:05:41 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: it does matter a lot, because it allows people to match their own experienced world onto the game world 09:05:43 <Pikka> shay also gone. 09:05:46 <planetmaker> well. maybe under the hood. we just have to sell it as new with a new button "day length" 09:05:54 <Supercheese> I always preferred Climaxes anyway 09:05:59 <Supercheese> (not that they were in OTTD) 09:06:05 <V453000> really cheap solution would be to have grf parameter "spread engines over X years" 09:06:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: in my experience "just don't build them" doesn't work. 09:06:26 <V453000> e.g. NUTS now plays for 200 years, with parameter it could be 400 or 600 years. tada, daylength 09:07:03 <V453000> I was actually considering to do that but then couldnt figure an automatic way to do it and didnt feel like writing it manually XD 09:07:05 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: again, that only works if people do not expect a certain year to be matched with a certain engine 09:07:28 <V453000> jeez 09:07:42 <Supercheese> well it would work with NUTS since the engines are all WTF anyway 09:07:42 <V453000> mental disorder at work 09:07:59 <Supercheese> Realismz crowd would not approve of course 09:08:46 <V453000> regardless, is it possible to add some parametric values to the date thing? 09:08:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the point of "realism" is not to make things actually realistic. but to provide an anchor poiint between the game world and the player's own experience 09:09:11 <Eddi|zuHause> and some people need more anchor points than others to enjoy a game 09:09:12 <V453000> like date(2043 +x, 1, 1); the x? 09:09:49 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: date(game_start_year+parameter*intro_date_offset, 1, 1) 09:09:53 <V453000> or would I have to make such a parameter by if parameter -bla- then : data A, date B, ... 09:10:01 <V453000> right 09:10:16 <V453000> can I just write it into NML like that and define those three things? 09:10:17 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't think it works like this 09:10:25 <V453000> yeah I tried, it didnt :( 09:10:40 <Eddi|zuHause> you need to find out the values that date() produces, and then put those in the code 09:10:41 <V453000> some time ago but I doubt that changed 09:10:47 <V453000> hm 09:10:54 <V453000> I will ask frog 09:11:30 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:11:31 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:31 <V453000> admittedly even if NUTS has the timetable hax, other vehicle sets wont cope XD 09:11:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1852B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:13:40 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:18:19 <andythenorth> just fake the date :P 09:18:23 <andythenorth> just have ottd lie 09:18:42 <andythenorth> nah 09:18:47 <andythenorth> someone would make charts 09:18:50 <andythenorth> showing why itâs wrong 09:18:57 *** Flippy [~flippy@2a02:25b0:aaaa:5da:face:face:face:1112] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:19:02 <Eddi|zuHause> that only works if you figure out which parts of the game to lie to differently 09:19:57 <Supercheese> Future trains removed too 09:20:06 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:20:58 <Supercheese> we get the Acela though, nice 09:21:23 <Supercheese> Aerotrain, huh 09:22:21 <Supercheese> rather* 09:24:20 <Eddi|zuHause> <V453000> admittedly even if NUTS has the timetable hax, other vehicle sets wont cope XD <-- and exactly that is the purpose of daylength, to avoid implementing it separately in every newrgf 09:27:20 <Pikka> aerotrain was in the old version, just hidden under the sw1200 :P 09:27:36 * Pikka bbl, carry on complaining! 09:27:46 *** Pikka is now known as Pikka|dindins 09:28:12 <planetmaker> we should replace date with an era description :) 09:29:30 <Supercheese> Bronze Age 09:29:32 <Supercheese> Iron Age 09:29:35 <andythenorth> we should stop worrying about it 09:29:45 <Supercheese> AoE grf go 09:30:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i always liked horse archers. 09:30:51 <andythenorth> dogs will always chase cats 09:30:54 <andythenorth> cats will always chase mice 09:31:01 <andythenorth> and the forums will always have daylength threads 09:31:07 <andythenorth> eternal verities 09:31:40 <Supercheese> no death and taxes? 09:31:53 <Supercheese> Dogs and cats first eh 09:31:59 <Supercheese> anyway, time to sleep 09:32:28 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 09:32:33 <Eddi|zuHause> in my experience, dogs chasing cats is a myth 09:33:10 <andythenorth> an eternal myth 09:33:11 <andythenorth> :P 09:33:40 <Eddi|zuHause> and cats will chase everything that moves. 09:33:48 <andythenorth> sharks? 09:34:06 <Eddi|zuHause> until it doesn't move. then it's immediately boring. 09:34:41 <andythenorth> hmm 09:34:42 <andythenorth> to works 09:34:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 09:35:31 *** Flippy [~flippy@2a02:25b0:aaaa:5da:face:face:face:1112] has joined #openttd 09:37:06 <planetmaker> 'bronze era', 'steel era', 'steam era', 'electric era'... 09:38:18 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: plus research labs and a tech tree? 09:38:45 <V453000> you forgot slug era pm 09:39:29 <b_jonas> 'nuclear era' 09:40:05 <Eddi|zuHause> propeller era, jet era, supersonic era? 09:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause> manpower era, horsepower era, steampower era, dieselpower era? 09:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of ways to define eras. 09:41:20 <Eddi|zuHause> how does that make things easier than a date? 09:44:44 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, sure. Self-build your trains. From selectable components 09:45:11 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 09:46:36 <peter1138> Start the game in 4000 BC. Initially, time flies, but slows down later on. 09:46:48 <peter1138> Also make it turn based. 09:46:58 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD44B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:51:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD44B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:51:40 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 09:52:51 <planetmaker> yep, something like that, peter :) 09:53:18 <Eddi|zuHause> weird, internet disappeared for about a minute, but i didn't get thrown off all IRC networks... 09:54:21 <planetmaker> ping timeout... 7 minutes is long 09:56:52 <argoneus> good morning train friends 09:57:54 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 09:58:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the server's ping timeout. the client has a totally different timeout... 09:58:10 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 10:03:31 <argoneus> Eddi|zuHause: do you live in / near adam? 10:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause> no? 10:04:46 <argoneus> ah ok 10:13:56 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 10:18:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6BF1E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:36:18 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@cpe-142-136-204-41.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Quit] 10:57:17 *** looptrooper [~looptroop@2a02:8071:6c0:a01:1581:7bba:f679:42ee] has joined #openttd 10:58:06 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6E5AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:08:11 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 11:10:38 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6E5AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:25 <peter1138> http://kotaku.com/why-gandhi-is-such-an-asshole-in-civilization-1653818245/+charliejane 11:40:56 <planetmaker> that was linked yesterday, wasn't it? 11:41:17 <__ln__> was 11:41:58 *** Pikka|dindins is now known as Pikka 11:42:01 <Pikka> sup kids 11:42:15 <planetmaker> sup 11:48:28 <Pikka> no complaints about NARS yet? I'm disappointed. maybe in the morning NA time. :) 11:48:53 <peter1138> Oh, didn't see it :( 11:48:54 <__ln__> i've never used it, but i can complain if you want. 11:49:20 <__ln__> first of all, there are no klingon birds-of-prey available. 11:49:31 <peter1138> My scrollback doesn't show it at least. 11:49:31 <Pikka> how do you know if you've never used it? 11:49:42 <__ln__> a wild guess 11:56:46 <peter1138> Pikka, it's crap! 11:57:01 <peter1138> I can't play it any more ;( 11:57:32 <peter1138> (That might actually be something to do with being at work...) 11:58:56 <Pikka> darn. well that's definitely a fault in the grf :) 12:00:11 <V453000> XD 12:11:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 12:12:09 <Pikka> it's an andy once more 12:12:30 <andythenorth> lies 12:12:32 <andythenorth> twice more 12:12:41 <andythenorth> no more BAD FEATURES 12:13:48 <Pikka> shame 12:37:04 <andythenorth> peter1138: dunno if this helps http://www.sunilkchopra.com/2011/09/01/creating-a-snow-leopard-usb-stick-with-ubuntu-11-04 12:37:16 <andythenorth> otherwise weâll send a DVD or a bootable thumb drive 12:37:39 <andythenorth> seems USB is valid, but we missed a step (copy the contents of the .iso to the thumb drive, instead of the whole .iso) 12:38:46 <peter1138> That article is rubbish, talking about creating partitions with filesystems, and then... using dd to overwrite all that anyway. 12:38:51 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-37-79.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:40:01 <andythenorth> hrm 12:40:25 <peter1138> ... 12:40:30 <peter1138> Why do I have floppy disks on my desk? 12:40:55 <b_jonas> I've created bootable cd and dvd disks, even custom-made, but not bootable usb drives 12:41:08 <b_jonas> I could probably create bootable usb drives too similarly 12:41:11 <andythenorth> peter1138: floppy disks :o 12:41:21 <peter1138> Oh my fucking god, dog farted :( 12:41:22 <andythenorth> are they from an acorn? o_O 12:41:34 <peter1138> Nah, they're 3Âœ" 12:41:48 <andythenorth> archimedes used 3.5 12:41:51 <andythenorth> iirc 12:41:58 <andythenorth> dunno, they broke a lot is what I mostly remember 12:42:07 <andythenorth> multiple copies of everything 12:42:17 <andythenorth> many hours spent swapping disks to take âsafety copies' 12:42:26 <andythenorth> we had a thing called pi-rat 12:42:38 <andythenorth> it was a pi symbol and a rat 12:42:40 <peter1138> :) 12:42:54 <peter1138> Oh, Archimedes :D 12:42:55 <andythenorth> used to help all the teachers at school pirate software with it :P 12:43:08 * andythenorth criminal past 12:43:11 <andythenorth> now respectables 12:43:27 <andythenorth> where is open source Chocks Away also 12:43:35 <andythenorth> how hard can it be to move polygons around? 12:43:52 <peter1138> Anyway, I tried copying the .cdr to the USB stick directly. 12:44:28 <peter1138> I can choose Mac OS X Install DVD from the boot options then, but when selected it just tries to boot OS X. 12:46:04 <andythenorth> how tedious 12:46:23 <peter1138> Same with holding C. 12:46:24 <andythenorth> if it was set up right it would just go to the installer 12:46:56 <peter1138> So it's possible it's a copy of the files from the CD, but not the boot sectors. 12:47:05 <peter1138> Or whatever it is on a CD. 12:47:22 <peter1138> Or I'm doing it all wrong :D 12:47:30 <andythenorth> ach, itâs an Apple thing 12:47:34 <andythenorth> when it works it just works 12:47:38 <andythenorth> and when it doesnât, all bets off 12:47:57 <peter1138> Which is not impossible, but the Debian installer USB booted fine... eventually. 12:48:00 <andythenorth> you get the boot options by holding alt? 12:48:07 <peter1138> Yeah 12:48:14 <andythenorth> yeah thatâs the correct thing 12:48:17 <andythenorth> thereâs no other magic 12:48:22 <peter1138> Pressing C would boot the Debian installer, but it wouldn't work. 12:48:33 <peter1138> It worked with alt, though. 12:49:02 <andythenorth> weâll make another thing and test it and post it 12:52:23 <peter1138> Also I had to use efibootmgr to disable some entries before Debian would boot. 12:53:20 <peter1138> But that should not affect booting from CD/USB. 12:53:29 <andythenorth> shenanigans 12:54:15 <peter1138> Wouldn't be surprised if the EFI firmware looks for OS X specifically :S 12:56:12 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 13:10:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:19:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 13:25:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:32:14 <argoneus> ayy 13:36:53 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has joined #openttd 14:08:06 *** looptrooper_ [~looptroop@2a02:8071:6c0:a01:1581:7bba:f679:42ee] has joined #openttd 14:13:05 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 14:14:59 *** looptrooper [~looptroop@2a02:8071:6c0:a01:1581:7bba:f679:42ee] has quit [Ping 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ride in a train 17:34:26 <FLHerne> How come? They're pretty good for getting places 17:34:53 <peter1138> No, they're pretty crap. 17:36:06 <planetmaker> depends. On private travel I rarely use a train 17:36:50 <peter1138> I've never chartered a private train ;) 17:38:23 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 17:38:31 <planetmaker> :D 17:39:06 <planetmaker> One can charter here a historic tram along with a ride for whatever occasion you want. E.g. for a party 17:39:29 <planetmaker> going on the normal tram tracks trough town 17:40:00 <Sylf> They let you charter a whole tram in Hokkaido for a private party 17:40:03 <Sylf> Beer tram 17:40:24 <Sylf> I want <3 17:40:53 *** Rubidium_ is now known as Rubidium 17:41:08 <Rubidium> I guess you'll get Sapporo ;) 17:43:42 <Rubidium> (not that the tram there was really notable) 17:45:46 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27055 /trunk/src/lang (simplified_chinese.txt traditional_chinese.txt) (2014-11-04 17:45:38 UTC) 17:45:47 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:48 <DorpsGek> simplified_chinese - 6 changes by siu238X 17:45:49 <DorpsGek> traditional_chinese - 49 changes by siu238X 17:46:12 <Rubidium> the only major caveat of the beer tram idea is that the beer museum is quite a long walk from the tram... 17:48:45 <Sylf> meh. nevermind hokkaido/sapporo. They have beer trains all over japan apparently 17:49:56 * Rubidium wonders what constitutes a historical tram/train 17:56:25 <planetmaker> when you're in Japan you can also drink the world-best whiskey alegedly 18:00:10 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:00:40 <Jinassi> Or, soda drinks of every flavour imaginable. 18:07:28 <Rubidium> reminds me to figure out where to get some okonomiyaki around here 18:07:46 <Sylf> make it at home :) 18:10:08 <Rubidium> it seemed quite complex when they prepared it for me 18:12:40 <Sylf> I only use flour, water, cabbage, some kind of meat (usually pork) and water when I make it. top it with either worcestershire sauce or okonomiyaki sauce and japanese mayonnaise. it's basically a pancake with some extra ingredients 18:13:50 <Sylf> then, my friend made the pseudo korean variant, with kimchi. yum. 18:14:05 <planetmaker> kimchi... yum yum :) 18:14:47 <planetmaker> was the only food which ever was served to me which was too hot for me to eat :) Lost sense of taste for hours :) 18:15:25 <Eddi|zuHause> pro tip on handling hot food: blow it and wait a while. 18:15:37 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, the other hot. spicy-hot 18:15:44 <Eddi|zuHause> oh 18:15:46 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 18:16:03 <Eddi|zuHause> lost in translation :p 18:16:07 <planetmaker> :) 18:16:11 <Sylf> so, the other pro-tip comes into play? do not rub your eyes after handling such food? 18:16:17 <planetmaker> :D 18:16:48 <Eddi|zuHause> that only applies if you handle it with your hands :p 18:17:00 <planetmaker> I did not do that... also I usually eat my food with cutlery, shopsticks in this case 18:17:06 <planetmaker> *chopsticks 18:17:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i doubt i'd get along with chopsticks 18:18:19 *** looptrooper [~looptroop@2a02:8071:6c0:a01:1581:7bba:f679:42ee] has joined #openttd 18:19:52 <planetmaker> not exactly tricky 18:21:22 *** looptrooper_ [~looptroop@2a02:8071:6c0:a01:1581:7bba:f679:42ee] has 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wich, for me, makes sense - to avoid blocking other players RV's 18:50:08 <Eddi|zuHause> that makes sense, yes. 18:57:51 *** looptrooper_ [~looptroop@2a02:8071:6c0:a01:1581:7bba:f679:42ee] has joined #openttd 19:04:02 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:04:44 *** looptrooper__ [~looptroop@2a02:8071:6c0:a01:1581:7bba:f679:42ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:15 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:23:02 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:18 <andythenorth> cat? 19:35:21 <Rubidium> less 19:35:36 <andythenorth> good answer 19:35:45 <FLHerne> tail? 19:35:55 <Eddi|zuHause> iz in ur konsole, reading ur filez 19:38:45 *** Sylf [~sylf@c-71-199-78-95.hsd1.ks.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:27 <__ln__> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla 19:42:35 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