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00:08:19  <dreck> hmm think I'll have to actually test out action7 when I feel like it
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00:15:24  <frosch123> for railtypes you do not need to refer to action7
00:15:32  <frosch123> you can use action 123 chains
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00:58:02  <NGC3982> I suggest you guys see Interstellar if you haven't
00:58:08  <NGC3982> That movie moved me in so many ways
00:58:22  <NGC3982> Just watched it for the second time on cinema
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03:25:54  <argoneus> ayy
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08:05:53  <andythenorth> o/
08:11:59  <supermop> hi andy
08:21:10  <Alberth> moin
08:24:16  <andythenorth> sunday cat
08:30:49  <andythenorth> ho ho
08:31:17  <andythenorth> this is clearly based on Road Hog http://manxelectricrailway.co.uk/gallery/motors-gallery/car-no-34/cg_34_1996/
08:31:31  <andythenorth> I like it when RL copies from my made-up newgrfs
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09:03:09  <Alberth> hehe :)
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09:04:49  <Wolf01> moin
09:08:33  <Alberth> moin
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09:17:11  <planetmaker> moin
09:21:22  <supermop> i guess i cannot depot refit to two cargos
09:22:13  <supermop> my "chemicals valley" town is actually on top of a mountain
09:22:51  <supermop> i figured as long as i am hauling a train of coal and stone up there, may as well carry some bauxite back down
09:23:31  <supermop> but, lo, will not be able to re-refit train back to 40%stone, 60% coal
09:24:10  <Wolf01> you might need a different train set with specific cargo wagons
09:24:59  <planetmaker> I guess that's currently impossible in an automated way, supermop
09:25:09  <planetmaker> we still need consist refit and consist replace :)
09:25:19  <supermop> indeed
09:26:30  <supermop> hmm 2ccNML hoppers cannot refit in station either
09:27:24  <andythenorth> supermop: in my last game, with cdist and SV, I used ‘refit any available'
09:27:31  <andythenorth> for combined coal / iron ore pickups
09:27:47  <andythenorth> and I was careful that nothing else was available at that station
09:30:33  <andythenorth> ha ha
09:30:41  <andythenorth> supplies cars for Iron Horse
09:33:58  <andythenorth> bah
09:34:06  <andythenorth> hoist by my own petard
09:34:20  <andythenorth> also git != hg :(
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09:49:23  <Eddi|zuHause> surely there's a hg plugin for git or vice versa, so you can use the same vcs on different repos
09:50:29  <andythenorth> probably, but I think it would lead to bad repo habits
09:51:07  <andythenorth> the way I work with git and the way we use hg are quite different
09:51:39  <andythenorth> git I do things like revert commits frequently
09:51:44  <andythenorth> whereas with hg that causes broken repos
09:52:55  <ST2> morning :)
09:52:57  <ST2> o/
09:53:22  <ST2> any hints on how OpenTTD windows installer is made?
09:57:05  <supermop> andythenorth: that was my first plan before i realized that this set doesnt support station refits
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09:59:17  <andythenorth> oops
09:59:22  <andythenorth> EWrongNewgrfChoice
09:59:24  <andythenorth> :)
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10:05:13  <andythenorth> ho ho
10:05:17  <andythenorth> goods isn’t piece goods
10:05:18  <andythenorth> how odd
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10:08:47  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it's express
10:09:40  <Eddi|zuHause> goods and wood have really weird cargo classes
10:10:02  * andythenorth uses labels :P
10:10:07  <Eddi|zuHause> i always handle them specificly
10:11:21  <peter1138> Then someone comes along with wood and lumber as separate cargo.
10:11:25  * andythenorth now thinks that going for minimalist wagon set is seriously over-rated
10:11:28  <andythenorth> minimal engines, yes
10:11:35  <andythenorth> minimal wagons = more refit bollocks
10:11:44  <andythenorth> Iron Horse is growing wagons :P
10:12:09  <peter1138> Need some refitting, else you need a wagon for every possible cargo type, so...
10:12:33  <andythenorth> yeah, there are refits
10:12:40  <andythenorth> also open wagon = refit everything
10:12:45  <andythenorth> except mail, pax
10:18:10  <Eddi|zuHause> my open wagon is "bulk,piece"
10:18:41  <Eddi|zuHause> so it won't load liquids
10:18:45  <b_jonas> Eddi|zuHause: that means goods, wood, steel, and what else?
10:19:04  <Eddi|zuHause> unless they are defined as "liquid,piece"
10:19:58  <Eddi|zuHause> b_jonas: it does currently not include goods, as that is "expr"
10:20:08  <Eddi|zuHause> it probably should
10:20:37  <b_jonas> I see
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10:43:36  * andythenorth ponders wood wagons
10:47:23  <dreck> Iron Horse this is?
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11:22:50  <dreck> if so I probably can't say much about uk wagons
11:23:32  <andythenorth> hrm
11:23:46  <andythenorth> no point, same as flat wagons
11:24:06  <dreck> probably only a minor sprite refit to add stalks to the load and thats it?
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11:26:22  <NGC3982> There is something special about Ravel's Bolero and TTD.
11:26:24  <NGC3982> It ..works.
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11:28:59  <__ln__> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d02_1416721646
11:30:41  <NGC3982> Sfw?
11:31:37  <__ln__> yes
11:34:03  <NGC3982> __ln__: How is the finnish weather today?
11:40:55  <SpComb> cold but not quite freezing, so wet
11:45:01  <oskari89> Any other major features coming to OpenTTD 1.5.x than more height levels? :)
11:47:08  <argoneus> ayy
11:49:49  <andythenorth> no
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12:03:57  <__ln__> NGC3982: snow on the ground, light clouds
12:04:49  <argoneus> I just found out
12:04:55  <argoneus> that I can go to school by boat
12:05:00  <argoneus> and it's faster than taking the subway
12:05:03  <argoneus> thanks prague
12:05:41  <dreck> boat...subway? what city is this 0_o
12:05:55  <argoneus> what do you mean
12:06:00  <argoneus> you don't have subways?
12:06:02  <argoneus> or metro
12:06:03  <argoneus> or w/e
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12:09:39  <dreck> hi frosch
12:10:09  <frosch123> hola
12:12:50  <dreck> argoneus no..I just can't imagine how long the subway esclators must be if the tubes have to be located quite a way down due to the boat-deep waters
12:14:44  <supermop> in new york we just keep the tunnels right about at the same level
12:14:45  <argoneus> dreck: do you live in venice or something
12:14:59  <supermop> although it did cause flooding in the hurricane
12:17:04  <andythenorth> London
has tubes and boats
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12:27:56  <Wolf01> WHAT?! 371MB of upgrades... what did you put in the grfs?
12:28:26  <frosch123> yeti most likely
12:28:51  <andythenorth> pineapple
12:29:05  <Wolf01> nuts, pineapple and yeti
12:29:57  <andythenorth> bandwidth is cheap :P
12:30:15  <Wolf01> I'll take forever
12:32:35  <frosch123> well, will it stop people from downloading everything? :p
12:35:05  <Wolf01> uh, trainz mega bundle... €3.59
12:39:46  <Wolf01> I'll never play it, but I'll get it just for the price
12:42:56  <frosch123> sounds like the intention of the marketing team
12:42:58  <dreck> heh wolf01 .. tbh I kinda prefered msts at the time. but :)
12:43:30  <Wolf01> I like to collect things :P
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12:48:18  <Wolf01> ok, download complete
12:48:23  <Wolf01> just 20 minutes
12:57:27  <andythenorth> what’s the road equivalent of a caboose?
12:57:32  <andythenorth> i.e. pointless eye candy
12:57:35  <andythenorth> snow plough?
12:57:51  <dreck> brakes are brakes? :P
12:58:23  <dreck> but as for real eye candy that would probably be any kind of cars (aka the only thing they could really carry would be <5 passengers and maybe 1t of any freights)
12:58:25  <Wolf01> me, but I stay in front of the queue, not at the end :P
12:58:55  <dreck> actually come to think about it HEQS has that comical forklift which is slow and tiny ... not a lot of perfect uses for it :)
12:59:29  <frosch123> andythenorth: fork lifts and cranes
13:01:05  <dreck> hm didn't we talk about how to be able to remove brakevan in wagon upgrades yesterday? ^_^
13:12:39  <andythenorth> frick
13:12:47  <andythenorth> do I have to provide Yeti wagons
13:12:48  <andythenorth> :P
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13:21:45  <dreck> yeti wagons? whats that? :P
13:22:53  <Alberth> wagons transporting yetis, of course :)
13:23:05  * dreck throws a coach at alberth then
13:23:06  <dreck> ;)
13:24:07  <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=70646&start=80#p1133402
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14:32:31  <V453000> nice, 0 replies to post about 0.1.0
14:34:09  <andythenorth> means it’s done
14:35:35  <V453000> means the greater arbiters of The Community give no shit about it
14:37:17  <V453000> done it isnt :)
14:37:27  <frosch123> V453000: can you imagine why it is so hard to find someone to write a release post for ottd :)
14:37:42  <V453000> absolutely
14:38:03  <V453000> but you always have people on IRC who appreciate it, and people who you like and respect :)
14:39:19  <V453000> and for those people it is worth it :)
14:39:41  <V453000> well admittedly I am making my newGRFs mainly for myself :D
14:40:08  <frosch123> that is a good thing :)
14:40:19  <Alberth> well, there is at least one person appreciating the work then :)
14:40:27  <frosch123> open source only works if people are interested in it themself
14:40:56  <Alberth> but I think it takes time for people to discover new sets, firs also took a long time
14:41:12  <Alberth> although it had the advantage of not having much competition
14:41:13  <frosch123> if you are not doing it for yourself, you would have another reason
14:41:27  <Alberth> getting rich and famous :p
14:41:27  <frosch123> and since money is no viable reason here, it usually is fame. and people seeking for fame are assholes
14:43:48  <andythenorth> hmm
14:43:52  <V453000> well one thing is fame and one thing is enjoying that people like your stuff :P people you respect that is
14:44:15  <andythenorth> for the grfs I’ve done the author *does* not appreciate his own work :P
14:44:45  <Alberth> we're still analyzing your relation with your grfs :)
14:45:00  <andythenorth> I wouldn’t bother
14:45:15  <andythenorth> V453000: industry sets are thankless ;)
14:45:43  <andythenorth> make something that is a detailed recreation of every train in a certain country, and you will be sent love, praise
.emoticons, all the crap
14:45:51  <andythenorth> but for industries, the community prefers the other set :)
14:47:46  <V453000> idk, The Community of tt-f are retards to me
14:47:50  <V453000> coop likes my stuff
14:48:10  <frosch123> reddit seems to like it as well :p
14:49:18  <V453000> they do in comments but their server 4 is empty XD
14:49:28  <frosch123> lol
14:49:33  <V453000> admittedly they completely fucked it up in the beginning so nobody wants to try now :D
14:49:34  <frosch123> ok :p
14:49:48  <andythenorth> did we drive the good people out of tt-forums?
14:49:49  <V453000> they forced 8bpp blitter on all clients because of their custom client with cfg in it XD
14:49:57  <andythenorth> I’m sure it used to be better in tt-forums
14:50:02  <andythenorth> maybe I’m jaded
14:50:27  <V453000> forums cant be useful, just not the aim of it
14:50:46  <frosch123> andythenorth: don't start with false memories :p the past is always better
14:50:51  <andythenorth> yeah
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14:51:02  <andythenorth> today’s kids are much worse than yesterday’s, etc
14:51:57  <V453000> XD
14:53:07  <andythenorth> roadtypes anyone? o_O
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14:55:40  <V453000> how do I reset an AI company on a server ? XD
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15:08:06  <frosch123> stopai <companyid>
15:12:31  <V453000> found out :D thanks though
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15:20:00  <argoneus> do you guys think a road network can be implemented as a tree?
15:20:07  <argoneus> I mean, it doesn't really have a root, does it?
15:20:32  <Alberth> it's also not a tree, you can have cycles
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15:20:46  <argoneus> right now what I did
15:21:02  <argoneus> was implement it as an array (nodes) of linked lists (connections between them)
15:21:06  <argoneus> is that legitimate?
15:21:16  <Alberth> depends on what you want to do
15:21:31  <argoneus> I need to find all the possible "subnetworks"
15:21:37  <argoneus> where every point is reachable from every other point in the subnetwork
15:22:06  <argoneus> I wish my homeworks weren't so tricky ;;
15:22:13  <Alberth> fully connected graphs thus
15:23:21  <argoneus> ah, right
15:23:24  <argoneus> it's not a tree, it's a graph
16:04:37  <andythenorth> hrm
16:04:39  <andythenorth> RVs
16:19:37  <andythenorth> making trucks look different between types and generations, without looking needlessly different
16:19:42  <andythenorth> tricky
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16:38:18  <andythenorth> my rail tankers are black
16:38:23  <andythenorth> will truck tankers also be black?
16:38:29  <andythenorth> makes buy menu easier to navigate
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16:40:25  <Alberth> fully black would be easy to make pixels for :)
16:40:50  <Alberth> but yeah, it makes sense if you assume people will combine both sets
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17:46:01  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27066 trunk/src/lang/polish.txt (2014-11-23 17:45:54 UTC)
17:46:02  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:46:03  <DorpsGek> polish - 19 changes by wojteks86
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