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[~supermop@d110-33-167-133.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:47:43 <peter1138> the path is clear 14:47:53 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 15:15:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:23:16 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@176-76-104-14.ipv4.mobile.tusmobil.si] has joined #openttd 15:30:52 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.195] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:27 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:55 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:16 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:58:09 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:44 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:32 <andythenorth> peter1138: âthe path is clearâ <- is there snow where you are then? 16:01:41 <peter1138> nope 16:02:18 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-5d82ee3c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:10:59 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:11:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:15:52 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:192:9bfb:b188:180c] has joined #openttd 16:33:01 <Belugas> ye yes yes!! here we do !! yes yes yes ! snow on the ground! 16:33:02 <dihedral> Hey guys 16:33:08 <Belugas> hello 16:33:40 <dihedral> can any of you tell me what 'DirectMap2M' stands for in the output of /proc/meminfo? 16:36:15 <dihedral> hey Belugas how are you? 16:38:39 <Plaete> Belugas: *white flake down! white flake down!* 16:40:54 <Alberth> moin 16:41:32 <dihedral> Alberth: o/ 16:41:45 <Eddi|zuHause> why do always the most southern guys get the most snow? 16:43:17 <Alberth> it wouldn't have anything to do with not being around a large population and a lot of industry, would it? 16:43:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i doubt that 16:44:15 <Eddi|zuHause> more about not being next to a warm body of water 16:45:26 <Alberth> fair enough 16:46:25 <Eddi|zuHause> concentration of industry and population may change the temperature on the ground by 1 or 2 degrees, but that only means snow would melt easier, not that it won't fall 16:47:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and global climate change doesn't count into this either, because due to its globalness, it's not influenced by concentration of population and industry, just total number 16:54:02 * Belugas is doing fine, enjoying good coffee and warm seat :) 16:54:13 <Belugas> and how is doing dihedral? 16:54:21 <Belugas> and the others as well :) 16:55:31 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 16:56:27 * dihedral is tired ^^ 16:56:49 * andythenorth is daddy daycare 16:56:58 <andythenorth> although why we say that I donât know 16:57:04 <andythenorth> nobody says mummy daycare 17:03:03 <Alberth> mummies don't care for days? 17:04:00 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure what that actually means 17:04:12 <Alberth> me neither :p 17:08:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and wtf is smfw? 17:08:27 <peter1138> ... my face when? 17:08:51 <andythenorth> and why did I read that problems thread? 17:10:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:24:48 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:07 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@176-76-104-14.ipv4.mobile.tusmobil.si] has joined #openttd 17:31:50 <andythenorth> ho 17:32:02 <andythenorth> cargo loading speeds are different for trains vs. rvs 17:32:04 <andythenorth> well 17:32:41 <andythenorth> another thing to learn then forget 17:33:23 <V453000> XD 17:33:32 <V453000> how exactly different? 17:33:49 <andythenorth> cargo loaded every 40 ticks for trains, 20 ticks for RVs, 10 ticks for ships 17:34:08 <andythenorth> planes same as RVs 17:34:15 <V453000> :d 17:34:26 <andythenorth> so setting 20 as the prop value has quite different results in different places :P 17:34:35 <V453000> I see 17:34:53 <andythenorth> I never pay any attention to it in game, but I get enough reports to suggest that other people do 17:34:56 <V453000> so with 20, trains will load half the amoutn RVs will in the same time?4 17:35:02 <V453000> XD 17:35:30 <andythenorth> yup 17:35:41 <V453000> interesting 17:35:50 <andythenorth> pitfalls for the unwary 17:35:54 * V453000 will remember that for when he makes a RV newGRF 17:36:01 * V453000 just forgot it 17:36:07 <Alberth> it's just plain stupid imho 17:36:37 <V453000> I think it makes some sense, at least for RVs 17:36:54 <andythenorth> Iâm just going to write code to set the props on each vehicle 17:36:58 <V453000> well maybe it doesnt 17:36:58 <andythenorth> itâs a non-interesting property 17:36:59 <V453000> XD 17:37:09 <andythenorth> it makes no sense 17:37:20 <V453000> idk andy, loading speed is kind of important 17:37:32 <V453000> says how many stations you need to keep stuff saturated 17:37:42 <andythenorth> how do you know? 17:37:50 <V453000> if the RV loads fucklong, you need many stations 17:37:51 <Alberth> sure, but there is no reason to use 3 different units of measurement for 4 types of transport 17:37:54 <andythenorth> do you read the source code for grfs? 17:37:57 <V453000> if it drops shit quickly, you need 1/2 17:38:09 <V453000> no you dont, you see the effect in the game if your stuff is clogging XD 17:38:16 <V453000> I would say longer loading times for RVs are nice here 17:38:28 <V453000> yeah Alberth :) that probably sense makes not 17:38:54 <andythenorth> why use two factors where one is enough? (probably hysterical raisins) 17:39:14 <V453000> yez 17:39:27 <Alberth> probably the second was added because the first one was too fast 17:39:31 <V453000> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm me should make a RV set at some point 17:39:41 <V453000> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 17:40:00 <V453000> also should finish NUTS 17:40:04 <V453000> also should create landscape set 17:40:09 <V453000> also should add YETI animations to YETI 17:40:11 <V453000> also should 17:40:12 <V453000> yes 17:40:13 <V453000> hm 17:40:21 <V453000> todolist is long 17:40:41 <V453000> CATS stations, PURR tracks need doing, WETRAILS, pipeline grf, ) 17:40:41 <Alberth> so many nice projects and such little time :( 17:40:55 <V453000> It will happen sooner or later :P 17:41:15 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> cargo loaded every 40 ticks for trains, 20 ticks for RVs, 10 ticks for ships <-- i never quite understood why this was introduced 17:41:17 <V453000> will attempt to get another train class done tonight 17:41:31 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: itâs not just original TTD? 17:41:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it seems very arbitrary and pointless 17:41:42 <V453000> Eddi|zuHause: be careful you are currently agreeing with other people which include me :P 17:41:43 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: no, gradual loading was not in TTD 17:42:13 <Eddi|zuHause> it probably was a TTDPatch thing 17:42:24 <Alberth> V453000: you can delay some projects until 64bpp support :p 17:42:25 <andythenorth> looks oddly like a bitmask * 10 17:42:38 <V453000> Alberth: no thats fine XD but thanks 17:42:38 <andythenorth> anyway, maybe it was to allow huge ships 17:42:45 <V453000> Alberth: I will just re-render EVENTUALLY :P 17:42:50 <andythenorth> but fine grained trains 17:42:54 <Alberth> :) 17:43:04 <andythenorth> probably someone looked up the exact flow rate of certain DB hoppers in 1956 and 1972 17:43:08 <V453000> must do ALL the projects immediately 17:43:10 <andythenorth> and needed to represent that 17:43:20 <V453000> XD 17:43:24 <V453000> $someone 17:43:37 <Alberth> oh, that guy again :( 17:43:44 <V453000> :( 17:43:55 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i suspect a more technical issue, where the TTD internals that TTDPatch hooked into were accessed a different number of times 17:44:10 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: which makes this more like internal speed units 17:44:45 <argoneus> ayy 17:45:36 <andythenorth> anyway, Iâm going to fix it in my sets 17:45:49 <andythenorth> more or less normalised 17:46:26 <andythenorth> e.g. all tankers will load a bit faster than all general cargo vehicles 17:46:27 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:48:54 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:57:01 <jonty-comp> I believe sips and lewis are going to play openttd on yogscast live soon 17:57:13 <jonty-comp> might wanna spool up some extra servers for the website :p 18:01:34 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:16:08 * andythenorth wonders exactly where they live 18:16:16 <andythenorth> fair chance itâs about 2 miles from here 18:16:21 <andythenorth> maybe I could go round and play with them :P 18:19:18 <andythenorth> V453000: so what loading speed should I set? 18:19:33 <andythenorth> or rather, how many ticks to unload, say 30t of cargo? 18:19:48 * andythenorth is so little interested in the actual amounts :P 18:20:19 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i'm sure they appreciate random internet people showing up on their doorstep 18:20:35 <andythenorth> I bet that never happens at all 18:20:45 * andythenorth is doing the English lying thing 18:20:57 <andythenorth> can hg do externals? 18:21:00 <andythenorth> like git remotes? 18:21:14 <andythenorth> seems I have some constants that are shared between all my newgrfs 18:21:35 <andythenorth> I could curl them from a url at compile time, but that is a terrible idea 18:23:04 <Eddi|zuHause> that it is 18:23:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure there is a hg extension for that 18:23:46 <jonty-comp> they are currently complimenting the main menu 18:24:10 <andythenorth> oh look http://www.selenic.com/hg/help/subrepos 18:24:29 <andythenorth> jonty-comp: are they using vanilla ottd? 18:24:34 <jonty-comp> looks like it 18:24:47 <jonty-comp> well, with OGFX 18:25:06 <jonty-comp> "that's what I love most about OTTD, the smooth jazzy music in the background" 18:25:19 <jonty-comp> going for arctic since it's xmas 18:25:46 <Jinassi> ARCTIC+YETI!!! 18:26:58 <jonty-comp> they've already learned the theme music to hum 18:27:03 <andythenorth> anyone used hg subrepos? 18:27:12 <andythenorth> are they as terrible as git suprepos? 18:27:17 <andythenorth> subrepos * 18:27:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6DD61.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:28:53 <jonty-comp> and of course they're all called Player except sips, who actually knows how to play the game 18:29:47 <jonty-comp> openttd really fails at compression when it comes to games like ottd :( 18:30:18 <Alberth> andythenorth: there are a few projects with subrepos 18:30:31 <Alberth> zbase and opengfx-mars at least 18:31:04 <Alberth> I have no idea how it compares to git, as git has inifinite terribliness for me 18:33:18 <andythenorth> hrm 18:34:49 <jonty-comp> "my 1080p UI is so small i can't see it" 18:35:25 <andythenorth> he needs extra zoom 18:35:55 <Jinassi> tell him to download zBase then, big menu by default 18:36:36 <jonty-comp> the main streamers have zBase by the looks of it 18:36:57 <jonty-comp> although someone in the stream chat pointed out that the train/bus/ship/plane icons are still small :p 18:39:12 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:192:9bfb:b188:180c] has quit [Quit: .] 18:43:17 <andythenorth> grr 18:46:20 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:185d:a75a:e3bb:9811] has joined #openttd 18:48:21 <andythenorth> Iron Horse has a vehicle capacity parameter 18:48:30 <andythenorth> should I normalise loading speeds against that, or ignore it? 19:00:23 <Alberth> capacities don't differ that much? 19:00:42 <Alberth> then it makes no difference what you do :) 19:05:01 <andythenorth> I have to choose something 19:05:06 <andythenorth> doing nothing is less code 19:05:22 * andythenorth chooses less code 19:08:24 <Alberth> :) 19:12:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f74683f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:15:15 <Alberth> o/ 19:17:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:17:11 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3E3B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:18:17 <frosch123> hola 19:18:22 <andythenorth> quak 19:18:30 <Wolf01> hi hi 19:22:28 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:33 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:39 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 19:25:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:29:24 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.206.99.89.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 19:31:08 <jonty-comp> aaaand they all fail at signalling again 19:40:28 <SpComb> yeah, all the tiny fonts, they 19:40:35 <SpComb> yeah, all the tiny fonts, they're not viewer-friendly :P 19:41:32 <andythenorth> Iâm going to normalise all vehicles to unload in same time, regardless of capacity 19:41:56 <andythenorth> should that be 120 ticks (matching default RVs), or 240 ticks (matching default trains)? 19:48:31 <Wolf01> wow, I just read some topics on ottd problems... when we let the cages open? 19:48:44 <Wolf01> *left 19:49:30 <Rubidium> lets assume a tile is ~350 meter, with radius 3 for bus stops that would mean walking up to 1 km to a bus stop (seems reasonable limit). Given the distance based on speed you'd have about a factor 2000 between that assumption of 350m and the 700 km the tile is wide. This means doing the same on the ticks at the station; 120 ticks -> 1.6 days -> (divide by factor of 2000) 70 seconds 19:50:13 <Rubidium> 70 seconds seems to short for a busy-ish bus stop and definitely a train stop, so I'd go for 240 to keep it "real" (whatever weak form of real it is) 19:56:12 <andythenorth> âdoesnât feel too different to default vehiclesâ is close enough to ârealâ for me :) 19:56:15 <andythenorth> 240 will do 19:56:18 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:56:36 <andythenorth> mind, itâs still 240 for 30t or 120t 19:56:42 <andythenorth> because Iâm normalising 19:57:04 <andythenorth> 4 forklifts instead of 1, if realism matters :P 19:59:09 <SpComb> and such click-click-click-click to build railways when failing to use the autorail tool or hotkeys :( 20:02:49 <Alberth> practicing for Locomotion :) 20:03:54 <SpComb> but the seek-time of having to mouse over to the different kind of rail button, place a corner or two, then back for a different rail, etc etc 20:04:06 <SpComb> so slow 20:04:16 <SpComb> painful to watch 20:04:17 * andythenorth is playing Worms 2 20:04:24 * andythenorth never plays games 20:06:24 *** Hazzard [~Hazzard@207.163.165.37] has joined #openttd 20:07:26 <Jinassi> SpCOmb: Filler to increase gameplay time, but still keep viewers attention. 20:08:03 <Jinassi> a second here and there and it ends up a few minutes more at the end 20:08:35 <Jinassi> or they're just dumb and have not prepared for this. at. all. 20:09:05 <SpComb> openttd - serious business 20:09:16 <SpComb> not for the unprepared player :P 20:10:25 <__ln__> http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/news/europe/single-view/view/basel-opens-cross-border-tram-route.html 20:11:40 <Alberth> they play it like the original :p 20:26:25 <jonty-comp> that's becaise they're both old enough to have grown up with the original 20:27:11 <jonty-comp> and probably haven't played it since the last time fans asked them too 20:27:15 <Jinassi> they need some proper competition, for viewers to start rioting. 20:27:25 <Jinassi> or throwing cash at them 20:35:29 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> should I normalise loading speeds against that, or ignore it? <-- yes, loading speed should be scaled to capacity 20:38:48 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: inversely maybe? 20:39:21 <Rubidium> a S-Bahn wagon holds way more passengers than an ICE wagon, but the S-Bahn wagon loads and unloads significantly faster that the ICE wagon 20:39:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: the "units per loading step" should have the same multiplier as the capacity 20:40:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i'm assuming we're talking about the same (cargo) wagon that has a multiplier depending on parameter 20:40:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: not a local/long distance difference 20:42:36 <SpComb> oh wow, he started using the autorail tool! 20:42:46 <SpComb> with Ctrl 20:43:00 *** sigtau [~sigma@64.237.37.120] has joined #openttd 20:43:00 <SpComb> unpossible 20:43:14 <SpComb> okay, he got confused and gave up 20:43:16 <Eddi|zuHause> am i the only one here not watching? 20:43:20 <SpComb> nope 20:43:23 <sigtau> Anyone know where I can find plugins/mods for a dedicated server that allow for things like bridging ingame chat with an IRC channel? 20:43:38 <__ln__> watching what? 20:43:43 <Wolf01> watching what? 20:43:46 <Wolf01> lol 20:43:46 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: oh... you replied to something from way way before I made a reply to andy; that's why I was a bit confused 20:43:54 <Eddi|zuHause> sigtau: there are some tools for the admin port 20:44:14 <sigtau> Do you have a link? I'm not entirely sure what I should be googling for 20:44:28 <SpComb> http://www.twitch.tv/yogscast 20:44:32 <Rubidium> but yes-ish... loading time should be constant, loading amount should be 240 / loading time 20:44:33 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@irc.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:45:29 <Eddi|zuHause> sigtau: i have no links ready 20:45:40 <sigtau> hmm. Not even a search query? :p 20:45:43 <Eddi|zuHause> but googling for "admin port" should do 20:46:13 <Eddi|zuHause> stuff should be on the wiki 20:46:50 <sigtau> Found it. Thanks 20:46:57 *** sigtau [~sigma@64.237.37.120] has quit [] 20:49:42 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@irc.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 20:50:12 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-5d82ee3c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:54:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:37 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:11:58 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:185d:a75a:e3bb:9811] has quit [Quit: .] 21:18:17 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 21:18:35 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:20:59 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:21:16 <andythenorth> ok so Iâm normalising default loading time to 240 ticks regardless of capacity 21:21:31 <andythenorth> now some types will need a factor for faster (or slower?) loading 21:21:54 * andythenorth wonders how to express that, probably a float, then round the result 21:22:27 <Eddi|zuHause> 240 is 6 loading steps (6*40) 21:22:42 <Eddi|zuHause> if your standard capacity is 30, then each loading step is 5 21:23:04 <Eddi|zuHause> so slower loading would be 4, and faster 6 21:23:18 <Eddi|zuHause> that multiplied with the capacity multiplicator 21:23:30 <Eddi|zuHause> you can also put faster at 8 21:23:51 <Eddi|zuHause> 4=8 steps, 5=6 steps, 6=5 steps, 8=4 steps 21:24:11 <Eddi|zuHause> floats are unnecessary 21:24:27 <andythenorth> useful thanks, question was more how I express the modifier in the python that defines a vehicle 21:24:39 <andythenorth> e.g. 1.1 * default or whatever 21:24:42 <andythenorth> or default - 1 21:24:56 <andythenorth> multiplier or addition 21:25:12 <glx> usually default is -1 21:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause> use this list: [4,5,6,8,10] 21:25:57 <Eddi|zuHause> don't screw with float multiplication, there will be corner cases that are tricky to resolve 21:25:57 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:00 <andythenorth> yeah 21:26:12 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@176-76-104-14.ipv4.mobile.tusmobil.si] has joined #openttd 21:26:20 <glx> yeah lookup table is often easier 21:27:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you need a lookup table for each capacity 21:27:21 <andythenorth> that is interesting 21:28:37 <andythenorth> can they be generated? 21:28:47 <Eddi|zuHause> probably 21:29:26 <Eddi|zuHause> [roundup(capacity/steps) for steps in [8,6,5,4,3]] 21:29:55 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:29:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:30:15 <andythenorth> if the look up table can be generated, the same algorithm can just provide the result directly? 21:30:36 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly, but separating this may make it easier to see what's going on 21:30:49 <glx> and it's faster to compute only once 21:31:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, assuming you have lots of wagons with the same capacity 21:33:14 <andythenorth> seems my docs donât print the capacity 21:33:29 <Eddi|zuHause> that seems like an oversight 21:33:38 <andythenorth> doesnât it 21:34:20 <andythenorth> oh itâs because of edge cases 21:34:31 <andythenorth> thereâs no meaningful single capacity 21:34:55 <andythenorth> varies by parameter, also multiple cargos on an articulated consist 21:35:03 <andythenorth> nvm 21:35:34 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:39:23 *** FLHerne is now known as Guest1862 21:39:23 *** FLHerne_ is now known as FLHerne 21:40:21 <andythenorth> ok normalising loading speeds is a much bigger task than I thought :) 21:40:31 <andythenorth> thought it was just a quick formula 21:41:42 *** Guest1862 [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:44 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it would be a fairly simple task in CETS... 21:47:55 <andythenorth> capacity / 6 21:48:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really know how screwed up your codebase is 21:48:24 <andythenorth> about the usual amount 21:48:34 <andythenorth> but first I have to fix the docs 21:48:46 <Eddi|zuHause> mind that integer-/ is usually rounding down, but you want rounding up 21:48:47 <andythenorth> and then generate look up tables for every possible capacity 21:48:59 <andythenorth> and handle that for trailing parts that have capacity 21:49:08 <andythenorth> and capacities that vary by cargo type 21:49:27 <andythenorth> is loading_speed even a cb property? 21:49:28 * andythenorth looks 21:49:34 <Eddi|zuHause> why special case the articulated parts? 21:49:50 <andythenorth> good question 21:49:53 <andythenorth> not needed 21:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think you need a callback, if it only depends on static properties and parameters 21:50:39 <andythenorth> how to handle change of refit? 21:50:44 <andythenorth> I donât *want* a cb :P 21:50:45 <andythenorth> more faff 21:51:05 <Eddi|zuHause> well if capacity is a callback, then load speed must be, too. 21:51:05 <Wolf01> 'night 21:51:09 <andythenorth> 20t supplies = 40 bags of mail or whatever 21:51:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:51:46 <andythenorth> could also get filed under, âwho cares?" 21:52:36 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, callback is really not any more complicated than property... 21:52:51 <andythenorth> nah, just more code to write 21:53:01 <andythenorth> a 10 minute piece of code is now much more 21:53:05 <Eddi|zuHause> just duplicate all the switches you have for capacity 21:53:10 <andythenorth> agreed 21:55:36 <andythenorth> less work than manually setting all loading speeds 21:55:44 <andythenorth> and still that wouldnât catch the changing capacity issue 22:03:38 * andythenorth looks for a codeless code about small tasks 22:03:41 <andythenorth> that grow 22:06:41 *** Hazzard [~Hazzard@207.163.165.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:13 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:23:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:27:05 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 22:38:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:40:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B80C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:42:02 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@176.76.54.208] has joined #openttd 22:43:56 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:47:30 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 22:49:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B80C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:06 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3E3B.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 22:55:57 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:03 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:25:38 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:12 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@176-76-54-208.ipv4.mobile.tusmobil.si] has joined #openttd 23:34:01 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 23:44:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f74683f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 23:56:54 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...]